Canada Post tables offer in ongoing negotiations with CUPW-Urban

2018/09/08

On Friday, September 7, Canada Post tabled an offer with your Union that provides wage increases in every year of the proposed four-year contract and makes improvements to your benefits.

The offer recognizes your positive contribution to the company’s success and sets a new, collaborative path forward.
Jessica McDonald, our Chair of the Board and Interim President and CEO, outlines what this offer means to you and your colleagues in a letter, below.

Negotiations began at the end of 2017 and the parties have been in facilitated talks for more than eight months. The conciliation phase ended at midnight on September 4, 2018 and we are now in a 21-day cooling-off period that ends at midnight, September 25, 2018. Meanwhile, negotiations are ongoing.

The collective agreement between Canada Post and CUPW-Urban expired January 31, 2018 but the terms and conditions continue to apply, in accordance with the Canada Labour Code.

We will continue to keep you informed of key developments through your team leaders and the Negotiations Hub.

Read here the detailed summary of the offer tabled with your Union.

180 comments

  • MAM11 says:

    What’s the details about your offer to Group 3 and Group 4?

    When you mention “streamline the classifications” do you mean MAM11 will be classified as EL5? in this case, did MAM11 will get the raise to EL5’s wages or the EL5s will get a decrease to MAM11’s wages?

    Waiting for clear explanation.

  • LCiO says:

    Since I started posting on this public forum back in 2010-11 attitudes towards CUPW are changing this is 2018 and there is nothing wrong with questioning the ideology and negotiating tactics of CUPW? It’s about survival in this era back in the 70’s it was about establishing ourselves when CPC had a monopoly and CUPW had leverage. CPC signs our paychecks and the union takes from us that’s why I won’t put everything on the Corporation, the union has to be held accountable as well.

  • Saplingjack says:

    According to chow website CPC countered. Details to follow apparently

  • Charlie says:

    New offer, details to follow

  • Doug says:

    Postal Banking, greening of buildings, electric vehicles are issues worthy of discussion and, possibly, REAL studies and trials. However, these are NOT the STRIKE issues. The STRIKE issues are going backwards on a bevvy of fronts – or basically almost everything contained in the company’s first offer. The phrase “NO ROLLBACKS” has meaning – and we should strike now to ensure our leaders understand the Harper-trend of attacking us without cause is forever over.

    • Coffee Girl says:

      And so are the 1980s…Who really blinks an eye if CPC goes out in this day and age? Except for the employees who want to “MAKE A STATEMENT” We used to be front page first up news…Now we are lucky to make it in the paper at all…and CTV might put us on if they have nothing else to talk about…

    • PO4 says:

      If the union did not present these non-sendiczl issues, we probably would have had a contract by now…this is not the way of looking after the members

  • Charlie says:

    Okay okay.

    I’ll be the first to complain about this union and the demands of postal banking and so on.

    BUT. Corporation just needs to table a reasonable offer, and let us deal with union.

    I agree union only wants more members, so they can spend more money, but our working conditions, pay need to improve.

    • PO4 says:

      How can they table a reasonable offer when the union’s demands are outrageuos? It’s like if you’re selling your house and you know full well it is worth $300,000.00 based on market value and past sales of other similar homes. You turn around and say you want to list it for $420,000.00, how much interest do you think you’ll get?

  • Doug says:

    One word – STRIKE. Company keeps stalling and not respecting some pretty basic demands.

    • PO4 says:

      You go strike and get your $200.00/week, if they pay you…me…I will be at one of the temporary jobs up here for $15 – $16 an hour to carry me over until this BS is over…have fun…enough is enough

      • Coffee Girl says:

        They’ll weasel out of paying $ 200 / wk cause they can’t afford it…They’ll have all these rules and stipulations for everyone but their “BUDDIES” Mmmm,..I think 15 – 16$ an hour sounds better than $5 or less…Not even minimum wage…Really?

    • PO4 says:

      Basic demands? Like Postal Banking, greening of buildings, electric vehicles? Sounds like a lot of money to me…how about looking after the members that are paying for CUPW’s party dues? Maybe even taking a portion of what that would cost the corporation and giving it to the members as in raised and bonuses? But that would make too much sense

  • H says:

    JUST GET IT DONE ALREADY!

  • Tech Guy says:

    Our union CUPW has been fighting for pay equity for the RSMC’s but still if we were to get locked out or go on strike we get $200 per week which is less than a days pay. Over 50 k member’s dues at close to $90 per month each, where has all the $$$ gone. At the very least we should be getting $500 per week on the line. Going into financial ruin is not worth fighting for a few cents more per hour , which in the end gets taken when union dues go up, go figure.

    • Coffee Girl says:

      @Tech guy…Our money goes to Cuba trips, parties,Ottawa condos, “Educationals”, you name it, anything but it’s own members and their needs…oh wait unless you count all the money going to defend the KOOL-AID drinking entitled whiners…Must keep them happy!

      • LCiO says:

        You’re absolutely right. They should be sitting on a War Chest but you gotta wonder with 1970’s Strike Pay, if maybe they’re stuck in that decade or if they’ve squandered it?

  • PO5 says:

    Still have walmart…ebay..and Amazon looseloads…RDO ot again on Sunday…50% staffing for the stat on Monday…

    • PO4 says:

      Love the way you brag about the OT you’re receiving while everyone else is very anxious about the uncertainty and the joke of negotiations. Can you stop giving the play by play? We get it…you’re making money…

      • PO5 says:

        Never said…I… was getting the ot this weekend…This is a comment page….If you choose to slam the union and fear monger and troll….Thats ok…you can do that on this comment page…If others choose to slam CPC for offering a raise that does not even meet the cost of living,or for waiting 3 weeks to counter CUPW’s globe offer…They can do that…This is a comment page….If I choose to let others know at my plant companies still seem to have faith in our efforts to deliver their goods….And work has not slowed down all that much….I can do that…You see this is not your comment page…It is for all of us….Cheers….

  • Md moynul Islam Imran says:

    Canada government rules stressful of course I very much appreciate about that ..a plenty of people are going there to taking works and something good happens thus government made it…

  • 38 Years Ago says:

    Bet this doesn’t get settled until 2019.

  • Md moynul Islam Imran says:

    As a employee of Canada I have seen so many changes in there..needed more employees

  • GSF says:

    By not telling employees what happened on weekend meeting with CUPW, Canada Post is losing trust from employees and the customers as well.

    • Coffee Girl says:

      This applies to BOTH SIDES…very hush hush…Guess we, the employees and members aren’t IMPORTANT enough…until CUPW wants us to picket and CPC wants twice the amount of parcels getting out… SICK OF THE WHOLE BUNCH.

    • PO4 says:

      I heard we list WalMart but gained them back after CUPW announced that they will not be striking last Thursday but that being said, there is no way this should be dragging on this..it is absolutely ridiculous

  • Carl Simard says:

    Canada post has had cupw offer since sept 14 they have yet to respond which is holding up negotiations if thier serious about getting this done respond now

  • Saplingjack says:

    Some ACTUAL information from either side would be nice. This seems disrespectful from our both our employers and our “brothers and sisters” to be leaving us completely in the dark. These are people’s lives and families that you’re playing with. It would nice if either side cared.

  • Need to work says:

    Please end this soon we are coming up to our busy season and customers are already finding different ways to send parcels. They fear a strike and don’t want their parcels sitting on a truck somewhere. There are many different ways for customers to go and more and more parcel delivery companies all the time. We need customers to have a job. This is not the 80’s anymore nobody cares they will go else where. Is this what we want wait till Christmas and the business is already done and gone. For the rest of us who need to support our families and need a job for the next 10 years or so please stop why we can.

  • PO5 says:

    On April 16 2016 the court found in favour of CUPW’s constitutional challenge to federal back to work legislation.The court found that the legislation was unconstitutional as it violated the workers freedom of expression and association,as guaranteed under the Canadian Charter Rights and Freedoms….There is a lot more written about the decision and does make for a great read…

  • LCiO says:

    Some one mentioned changing the Union Constitution? Good place to start but they’ve nailed themselves shut with that you’d porbably have a better shot of Decertifying? I’ll be the first to sign a petition.

  • CJ says:

    Enough us enough…both sides seemingly have dug their heels in…its time to compromise to collectively agréé…parcels Will Be out sourced to other companies(possible permanently) and lettre mail Is no longer Our bread and butter..our Customer support Will wane and sooner than later we Will Be legislated back with a worse deal than we have now…cupw better let the cpc Be the one on the hook for a stoppage as optically it looks better to Our customers to Be locked out rather than Strike..do the math we Will Never recoup the l’ost money over the duration of the contract if we dont work even if we are only off for a couple of weeks…where are the 4 yrs of union dues being spent? its something like 52 million per year! If they want us to walk let them Pay us!

    • Coffee Girl says:

      The unfortunate thing is our customers don’t know the difference between a lockout or a strike…they just see it as a hassle while waiting for their passport or something else that’s important being stuck in the system…and if they’re mailing out…they’ll just go elsewhere.

  • Charlie says:

    I know, call 72hrs notice, go out on strike, get legislation to put us back at work. And no one wins.

    We need to get the essential service taken away.

    That way our strike vote would count for something.

    Right now it only means we can go out on strike till gov decides it’s enough.

  • Charlie says:

    Since this is the only place, we can have a voice.
    Does anybody know anything?
    What happen this weekend?

  • Coffee Girl says:

    3 countries signed a late night deal last night…it’s been very quiet all weekend…Can we expect a late night deal soon? Hopefully?Please?!

    • PO4 says:

      Nothing said about weekend negotiations including CUPW President and interim CEO…good sign…word is CP already list WalMart…possibly why for the weekend negitiations with everyone…

  • PO4 says:

    Just read that NAFTA is very close to being signed and yet these 2 can’t even stop bumping heads…unbelievable

    • Coffee Girl says:

      It’s their PRIDE…PLAIN & SIMPLE…no one wants to go down admitting defeat. I am beyond sick and tired of the cat and mouse game…Too many years of it…Besides who wants step away from their all expenses paid party lifestyle? And that goes for each and everyone of both sides..

  • Lc says:

    What Can I Say..? This has dragged on way too long.. The thought of uncertainty and the unknown has left employees, and our customers very upset. We all have families, and our customers will have other alternatives. Times our different now, compared to the past. Management and Union MUST..give a little, take a little. Health and Safety issues should be automatic and pay increases should be close to cost of living. The rest should be easily worked out. Let’s get this done and move on…

    • Donna says:

      Lol, you gave them a 95% strike vote. Nobody is feeling sorry for you. YOU did this to the customers because you think you are worth more than 1.5%. Your customers are not getting raises like that. Your customers hold the employees responsible, not the corporation.

  • Charlie says:

    I’ll tell you this, if we picket, we should picket in front of puralator. Didnt they deliver our parcels last time.
    What’s the point of picketing at your station?
    Picket at head office, picket at puralator, stop all parcels from getting delivered, stop staff at head office from going in.
    I would even picket at cupw national office, cause I’m not any happier with them.

  • LCiO says:

    If you’re talking OT on Sunday P05, There is something seriously wrong with this picture? Speaking as a Letter Carrier. Make sure you take all your breaks (I’m sure you will) and maybe you should try one of those Dr Ho’s decompression back belts so you don’t do something to your back while unloading all those heavy ‘Packets'(China Post), unless you’re already injured then we wouldn’t want you to re-injure yourself. Letter Carriers holding you back? Right?LOL You’re a riot!

    • PO5 says:

      Insult away my fake cupw member…And I don’t know one LC who would ever want to do a loose load…As they all say..ugg to much like work…Anyway back to the eskies and bombers…Then RDO ot tomorrow talk to you then…cheers…

  • LCiO says:

    It’s obvious that parcel volumes are down due to the potential work stoppage my route has decreased at least half for this time of year. I’m seeing more Purolator and Dicom(Amazon) trucks out there and parcels at doors already when I arrive with mail or Circs?

  • LCiO says:

    I’ve decided to sign up for ‘Picket Duty’ if needed this time because I’m taking a page from CUPW’s book of 70’s tactics which was their motto back in the 90’s (‘Break the Corporation’) and that’s ‘Break the Union’! Don’t picket in support of CUPW but picket in spite of CUPW and earn your ‘Slap in the face’ 1970’s ‘Strike Pay’ of 200 measly dollars. Imagine if 51 000 Urban Members went out and picketed how quickly CUPW negotiating committee would get back to the table to work out a deal? If only we could ask for ‘mediation and conciliation’ like CUPW did to stall negotiations until the busy season. I’d like to bet too if CUPW knew before hand that 51 000 members would be picketing they wouldn’t even ask for a ‘Strike Mandate’ which is why they won’t mention membership turnout for the vote? because everyone would learn quickly the support CUPW really has?

    • Coffee Girl says:

      @ LCiO…Lol…how funny is that? I never got paid too much through the years for picketing.The excuses were anything they could think of” oh well we only went out rotating” so those days don’t count…”You didn’t show up til late that morning( sick child or not) so we can’t pay you” the list goes on and on and on…My God…to have to pay 51,000 members…how could they do that? Wouldn’t want to take out of the CUPW party fund!

      • Sloehand says:

        You gave to picket a full 20 hour week(5 days ×4 hours a day) to receive any strike pay. Once I was in picket line for 2 days and was expecting 2 days pay
        Nope I was told unless you picked for the entire week, no pay !. I asked why, the only answer I could get was ” Its in the constitution!”. I said change the constitution. Still waiting!

  • dazed and confused says:

    30 years, listening to the same song and dance by our unioun. They care nothing about us letter carriers, as evidenced about us losing householder money so they could get time values on the walks, which could mean more unioun dues. If a work disruption happens, you can bet that it will be ugly, as the companys offers will get worse since they have lost big money customers, and the unioun to save face cannot accept worse. With the government not ordering us back, that 3 day work week that was talked about last contract, could be a possibility

    • had enough says:

      I here you, same shit different pile, the union needs the money, so they have to back up the rmsc at the cost of us letter carriers with the drop of House holder cash so the union might think that they will get more routs based on the pathetic rout measurement system buy reducing our HH pay. This brother was out on the line for 33 years, not any more, had enough of this corporate, union bullshit. With a total of 3 percent raise in the last 5 years total. WOW I was at a funeral not to long ago, spoke to a few retired brothers and sisters, and my projected pension is going to be 42 dollars a month more than them. they retried 8 to 10 years ago. WOW Yes I know HH cash does not go towards our pension, I get that but our salary does.

  • PO5 says:

    Lots of Walmart,ebay,and Amazon today…Non stop By-pass loose loads to off load…RDO ot Sunday…Looking good…

  • fedup says:

    3 years of contract. out of that CUPW and management spend 1 year in negotiations. what a mess and waste of time money, why it can’t be a contract for 5 years? common men it is not a contract between countries.

    • PO5 says:

      would be great….But both sides don’t want a 5yr contract as working conditions can change a whole lot in that time…And neither side wants to be locked in for to long…

  • LCiO says:

    Alternative Facts…as opposed to non facts P05? Is that what you mean?

  • I want out! says:

    Remember , 9 months of wasted time went by with not even an offer. It wasn’t until there was strike votes we heard anything from Canada Post. This is not NAFTA negotiations. 99 percent of our contract will be the same. This could be done in two or three weeks if there was compitant people on both sides. They are making careers out of getting or not getting a contract. Talk about wasted money!

    • Coffee Girl says:

      One of the best comments yet…those ones ( both sides) do not want to do their “REAL JOBS” so they sit at the table as long as they can…all getting paid the “BIG BUCKS” …today they probably argued about what color to paint the bathrooms! And out together tonight at some swanky restaurant!

  • LCiO says:

    Thanks Coffee Girl

  • Steve Dore says:

    How come CPC has the cash to invest in a new postal facility in Regina sask, at the cost of 10’s of millions of $ , but no money to resolve a contract

  • Dawn whitiker says:

    Ps I am willing and ready to go on strike to regain some of the rollbacks Canada post and the government have imposed on us in the last 4 contracts. Inside workers in small offices have been downsized to a such substantial degree that they function on almost crisis mode this needs to be rectified if we want to service our customers and maintain our health and safety. Casual work hours and part time hours need to be made into permanent full time jobs. Absences need to be covered. I implore you to strengthen the language in the collective agreement on these issues

    • 25yrs says:

      This is give and take, rcmc’s have been using urban for the last 6yrs. Our “rollbacks” were concessions for them.
      “Casual work hours and part time hours need to be made into permanent full time jobs” this is the type of finesse CUPW amateur negotiators are presenting at the moment. There is an acceptable contract for everyone built around CP’s offer. This entire union needs to go if it leads to another interruption in the mail.

  • LCiO says:

    It would be nice to hear how members really feel about CUPW on social media? And if anyone knows what % of the membership voted in favor of Strike Mandate? I don’t know if I heard I don’t read their Propaganda.

  • Charlie says:

    So now they will meet during the weekend. To try and get negotiations moving.
    You’ve had 2.5 years to get things moving.

    I would go in with 1 message .
    Give us a reasonable offer withing 48hrs, or we will strike dec.1st.

    That’s it.

  • jason calder says:

    After Reading the highlights of the CPC offer it Seems to Be a décent and not unreasonable contract…far différent from the Chorpa ones which were lowball offers….we néed to remember That if it Goes to arbitration,history shows we lose Big time….we should Be compromising on a 2% per year increase…we also need to reward CURRENT employées…new hires should make their OWN décisions as to whether or not to work at Canada Post based on the what Pay and benefits are offered..if we keep having thèse work disruption issue ANY government in power Will privatize us in a heartbeat and we Will lose public support and that wont Be good for anyone

    • slowhand says:

      I agree with Jason. 2% would be a reasonable compromise !

    • Charlie says:

      Privatize away, the only people affected would be upper management, superintendents, supervisors.

      We cant do much more then we are already doing.

      But 1 supervisor per 20 employees is rediculous.
      Management well that has turned out to be a comedy.
      And keep going up the list.

      Every single decision that has been made in last 10 years has led to the position we are in today.

      Love those health and safety talks, but really they couldnt care less about your safety.
      Supervisors going on the road to make sure you do your job properly when they never did the job themselves.

      • Jason says:

        How would privatizing affect Superintendent’s and Supervisor’s…we have an Association just like you have a union…that’s number 1. Number 2 there are many of us Supervisor’s that were previous letter carrier’s and have done the job before….and yes we do care about your safety or we would not be following up in our weekly meetings with our staff…

  • Coffee Girl says:

    Both sides are so OBSESSED with “winning” they don’t look out for their employees who are the backbone of the company.On the other side of the coin…CUPW still thinks they can close down the country if we strike…uh huh…all they’ll do when this is done is raise our Union Dues and CPC will go back to cutting jobs.

  • LCiO says:

    I don’t have anything to prove to you P05 Fact- you couldn’t do my job with that chair strapped to your butt, even if it wasn’t you couldn’t because if you had the opportunity to ‘sneak home early’ by having an easy job like carrying the mail you would be there in a heartbeat. Letter Carriers didn’t create these walks -PT- did, the way we do our job has no barring on the restructuring of the walks, information and data collected during volume counts with 1970’s time values do. Letter Carriers are not holding you back CUPW is? There’s no legal Organization more oppressive than them and when they want a ‘Strike Mandate’ koolaid drinkers show up in droves to oblige the ‘All Mighty CUPW’. How did you vote?

    • PO5 says:

      Alternative facts lol…

    • PO4 says:

      You are absolutely right…CUPW dropped the ball on this last 2 contracts…we got a better deal from the corporation’s final offer then we did through CUPW by refusing them…I am fed up with this Union and all their shenanigans…we will see how they screw this one up also…I only wish the “Threes strikes and your out” motto would apply to them but like you said…the sheep keep following… solidarity, brother…yeah, right…

  • LCiO says:

    LOL what are you talking about? You shouldn’t drink koolaid and write.

  • LCiO says:

    The CTI was negotiated out of the contract for non managerial employees by yours truly CUPW because it was ‘Non Pensionable’ and that’s right from our locals mouth. So what if it’s ‘Non Pensionable’ as long as it’s folding and spendable. But translated it means any Bonus or Lump sum Payment does not equate into Membership fees but the non pay equity settlement does. So expect RSMC’s Membership fees to match the Urban sides very soon and you know the Tax man is going take their share. That’s how CUPW negotiates take the bonus and give the RSMC’s a non pay equity settlement.

  • LCiO says:

    P05 I couldn’t have said it better myself Letter Carriers need their own representation and I don’t mean LCUC, I’m talking up to date representation, maybe something in the 2018’s? And how are Letter Carriers keeping you from signing a contract? And I’m also sure you do take your breaks LOL are you nice and comfortable inside?

    • PO5 says:

      “How are letters carries keeping you from signing a contract”…LOL think about it…You talked about why in your posts…I guess everyone was right…your not really a postal worker…for sure not a outsde worker…If you were,you would know what I was getting at about taking breaks….you would know about CTI…Oh well back under the bridge for you…

  • PO4 says:

    Lots of WslMart products back in Gateway tonighy

  • LCiO says:

    I’ve been saying for most of my 30 yrs as a Letter Carrier that we need our own representation like we had (LCUC), nobody in Canada let alone at CPC does the same job or work as a Letter Carrier. CUPW has sold us out big time, with our circ payments and negotiating the CTI out of the contract back in 2011 god forbid Letter Carriers make some extra coin. We should be sitting at 30 dollars an hour at least but we had to wait for the RSMC’s to catch up to us first with a non issue of pay equity. The inside workers have also been holding us back we need our own Union back.

    • PO5 says:

      I rarely bite on trolling but I just can’t help myself…Fact…LCUC rode the coat tails of CUPW to all of their contracts but one…CUPW did the heavy lifting of being locked out or striking for a contract..And LCUC just kept working collecting their pay…When it came time for a new LCUC contract,they took what CUPW settle for…That is a fact…..Fact…It is the inside workers who are being held hostage…As MOST of the issues CPC keeps going after have to do with outside workers….Fact….CTI is still in the contract..It just that CPC chooses not to pay it to non management workers…Use to get nice little pie charts with cheque stubs telling us how close we are to qualifying for CTI…CPC can’t even bother to do that anymore…I will agree with one thing you have said in your tall tale…Inside workers would have had a contract already…We take our breaks…we work the the number of hours we are suppose to…we don’t sneak home early..So yes give outside workers LCUC back…And remove the weak link form our union…and remove the anchor from our necks…

    • Charlie says:

      Agreed. Let’s do something about it.

  • LCiO says:

    I remember 2006 I had to sacrifice 12 weeks of severance pay. RSMC’s have their own Collective Agreement and pay structure, because they handle mail and parcels does not a Letter Carrier make.

    • Charlie says:

      Yes did we ever give up a lot.
      But wait it’s not over, I remember when we were locked out and rsmc were crossing picking lines to go work.
      They should of never been part of cupw.
      Or maybe it’s just time that Urban get a new union.
      Like we did when we had lcuc.
      I consider them scabs, who took the back door in.
      Make them all urban with their 2006 signority, and let them walk all day.

  • Von says:

    Comments from an RSMC member for 22 years. Just to clarify, RSMC’s have not been contract employees since 2006 when we became unionized employees. I have spoken with many union members, both RSMC and Urban, In regards to the existing negotiations and there is an almost unanimous agreement among everyone. We feel that our union negotiators team should focus on what is important – the employees of Canada Post. Asking CPC to go green with their vehicles or place solar panels on the rooftops is ridiculous as these items are infrastructure upgrades that provide no meaningful benefit to the workers. In fact they would divert much of CPC’s profits to infrastructure and equipment upgrades and reduce the amount available as wages and benefits which is what puts food on our tables, clothes on our backs and a roof over our heads. Current yearly inflation rate is approx. 2.9% so far in 2018. So how about just concentrating on a 3% or at least 2.5% increase in wages, pay equity and benefit equity for the RSMC’s, no changes to our pension, the option for RSMC’s to apply for a corporate vehicle if they so choose, and status quo on everything else? Considering that CPC is seeing considerable profits from the parcel and ad mail business there is no need to push them to expand into other areas of service such as banking, etc. which would take considerable financial investment and may or may not be profitable.

  • Dustin the man says:

    Knock knock anyone home Canada Post?

  • PO5 says:

    CUPW says no strike notice for now…CPC has had CUPW’s counter global offer for 10 days….So far silence…

  • Charlie says:

    Bravo rsmc’s.

    Now let’s all be one, same rules and working conditions for both.
    Open bidding for rsmc walks, to Urban.

    Lc walk 10-6pm OR
    Rsmc walk 5-1pm

    Myself I’ll bid on the rsmc walk, no more walking youpiii.

    I’m all for Equality.

    • Cam says:

      RSMC are not indeterminate employees like CUPW employees. No crossover in job function or duties for RSMC to Urban CUPW employees. This will take a long time if ever for this to happen. CUPW has provided Union status to RMSC employees and wages and benefits, that sometimes mirror CUPW urban employees. It stops there. Urban employees are not in the same contract as RMSC… It will take a separate vote from Urban employees to agree to RMSC coming on board…..cannot see this happening.. Too much conflict and RMSC employees would never accept working under CUPW/CPC contract language. My opinion only.

    • Cam Agnew says:

      As I understand the RMSC contract. These employees are not indeterminate, like full strength CUPW employees. RMSC are contract employees, they have separate work rules and benefits. CUPW employees cannot bid on RSMC routes and vice versa for the foreseeable future. Two separate working groups under the CUPW umbrella.

    • Coffee Girl says:

      Hey Charlie…I agree with you %…Let’s not forget though a lot of RSMCs would like to go Urban…save the wear and tear on their vehicles…higher insurance rates…need of bigger vehicle…Gas…
      I still say though if there’s going to be equality then CPC should supply RSMCs with vehicles.

      • Charlie says:

        Equality is Equality. Cant ask one to take their cars and others dont.
        Rural carriers have Urbans old right hand drives.
        Dont forget rsmc that use their vehicles get compensation to do so.

  • Coffee Girl says:

    The clock’s ticking away people…3 days left until we can strike or get locked out..It’s too quiet from both sides… Hmmm…wonder what’s up?

    • PO5 says:

      Whats up is CPC so has had CUPW’s counter global offer for 10 days…and as of yet has not responded….Hopefully they are getting a reasonable counter offer together…Or maybe just waiting for time to be up..So they can give us the 72hr notice of lockout…

    • Coffee Girl says:

      Really@po4 read some of MY OTHER COMMENTS…Strike? Are you kidding me? I’ve been through every one of them since 1981…I’m a year away from retirement…I’ve had it with both CPC and CUPW..
      Just trying to stay a bit more neutral for future employees like yourself. Try 42 days like we did in 1981…and other strikes…You don’t need to tell me about hardships…And I prefer coffee over the cheap KoolAid CUPW tries to make us drink.

      • PO4 says:

        Thanks for your help but I can take care of myself…as for what”s going on…I don’t think there will be a strike or lockout…Trudeau had too much riding on this what with NAFTA, the Pipeline, election next year…Government already “requested” both sides to keep talking until a deal is hammered out

    • PO4 says:

      Coffeegirl…good is good…not all of us wants a strike like yourself…we want to work and support our families…you are giving CUPW too much credit…read my other comments…they are from past experiences

  • Robin Cowperthwaite says:

    I’m a full time letter carrier in Brampton, we’ve just gone through a restructure, due to start Oct.15. 18. my concern is the start times, 8:30 am – 4:30 pm for first wave, 10:30 am – 6:30 pm for second wave carriers. CP claims to be ‘dedicated to my health and safety, ‘ the big so called safety launch ‘ Make it safe, make it home program’ is a joke! They came and painted this slogan on the parking lot of the depot, and put a don’t drive and text sign. This doesn’t constitute their claim of caring about my safety to me! We live in Ontario Canada, where starting end of October, it is DARK outside at 4:30 pm, however you’ve decided I can continue to deliver the mail and parcels and knock on doors for registered letters till 9 pm ! Are you kidding me? Totally Reckless on part of CPC! I’ve done it, I know, when the darkness sets in, your productivity is cut in half, head lamps don’t shine on the icy ground and snow in front of me, every step is slow and focused, not to mention driving down a street in the dark, searching for a house number on houses that are in darkness, hanging out the window with a spot light I’ve brought from home, shining it on the front of houses, meanwhile I’m inching down the road looking, not really paying attention to the road and whats in front of me! Totally dangerous. I invite anyone who is creating these new delivery standards and policies to do a ride along with me in November, if you can show me a safe way to do this, I’m willing to learn. You’ve got my name and email, call me anytime!

  • Inga says:

    1.5% wage increase doesn’t even keep up with the Canadian inflation rate. CP is expecting more and more out of its employees but not paying enough for it.

  • Jay says:

    Corporation can do better 10 personal days and signing bonus.

  • Charlie says:

    I’ll tell you what’s not fair.
    People when they apply at canada post they have 2 choices.
    1 Urban
    2 Rsmc

    If you pick option 1 it could take you 7 years to be full time.

    If you pick option 2 it takes 7min to be full time.

    We talk equality, let see how equality really works when you have people with no signority doing full time work.
    And people with 5 years getting bumped around from walk to walk east to west, who would love a full time route.

    Equality or hypocrisy ?

  • Dave@Gateway says:

    Amazon is having a job fair this weekend. Might check it out and get in before they buy Canada Post out after CUPW destroys everything.

  • dustin says:

    It being Friday means there should be another update tonight¿

  • PO4 says:

    I say take the final offer CP gives us because CUPW screwed us over last 2 contracts…SMH

    • PO5 says:

      I say CPC should take the global offer CUPW has offered…Because CPC screwed us over the last 2 contracts..

    • Amanda says:

      We are CUPW coffeegirl…lets not sell ourselves out and use this platform as a way of telling Canada Post that want will not settle for cut backs and we deserve a fair contract for all current and future workers…if we dont like their offer we dont have to accept it

      • PO4 says:

        Oh please…the last 2 contracts, we had better final offers from the corporation and CUPW totally dropped the ball…get rid of the old, bring in fresh blood…time to dismantle CUPW

  • PO4 says:

    So RSMCs get what they want through the arbitrator…we will get screwef

    • Coffee Girl says:

      And CUPW will come back and say ..look what we did…All that we got for the RSMCS..forgetting it was done through arbitration!And once again will sell the rest of us out…I can see that coming! To the Rsmcs though…congrats…I feel you deserve it.

  • LCiO says:

    Cheers to you as well P05.
    It baffles me why the membership can’t see an offer and a counter offer before a ‘Strike Mandate’.

  • Vijaykumar Patel says:

    please update the status of new agreement of rate increase.

  • Margaret says:

    I wish the wage deduction tht occurred a few years back from $25 to $19 would have been considered and reinstated. Still not sure why there is such a difference in this pay structure. Makes no sense that this even happened!

    • Margaret says:

      So i was a casual relief LC for 2 years (got lots of hours!) and was recently hired as Part Time letter carrier. Monday to Friday so its full time/part time and i actually own a route now. I was very surprised and very disappointed to find my pay did not increase but of course now I have to pay into benefits etc. So really I am losing money. This does not seem right to me as i was sure i was going to get a pay increase at some point? Not sure when that is going to happen

    • Amanda says:

      And the factthat those new hires are stuck at that rate until they get permanent is unacceptable…depending on where you are located that could take years! And according to Canada Post’s latest offer they want to fill vacant positions with temporary employees indefinitely to allow us keep our job security….this is not right. I am a new hire and it took me over 4 years to see my first pay raise increment…I am sure it could take others longer.

      • Coffee Girl says:

        How is that job security if Canada Post wants to keep temps in positions indefinitely?What happens if the position is deleted or retired out…You can bump a jr out but THAT IS NOT JOB SECURITY.Im trying to see both sides here but so far not a lot from either unfortunately.

        • Amanda says:

          Totally agree Coffeegirl….Canada Post needs to make some changes to their offer in our favour. Im ready for a strike if they dont….hope everyone else is…..just saying….if we want change we might need to fight for it!

    • Coffee Girl says:

      I can see there being a difference in pay structure because most companies,health care, businesses and other Unionized environments it takes time to be paid the same as a long term employee…However with that being said, on the other hand $7 or 8 dollars is an extreme difference…Bring it closer together…Maybe a $3 difference…TOPS. Say $23/hr…Wouldn’t be so drastic.

  • Coffee Girl says:

    Wondering why it’s being so quiet on both sides?

  • Masterrew says:

    On Saturday, June 25, 2016, Canada Post tabled offers for the separate negotiations under way with the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW-Urban and CUPW-RSMC), which represent our delivery and plant employees.

  • LCiO says:

    Yea right, it took a strike mandate for the corporation to give their first offer?lol and they’re trying to drag this out into the busy season right? Another P05 drinking the ‘koolaid’ CUPW doesn’t know anything else but 70’s tactics of bullying and fear mongering.

    • PO5 says:

      Not drinking kool-aid …Just stating facts…CPC,CUPW contract expired Jan.31 2018…CPC Glo Bull offer Sept.7 2018…But I am glad to see LCiO back..Got a lot of chuckles from your comments during the last contract talks….Cheers…

  • Carl says:

    Everything we pay for gas hydro water property taxes groceries have sky rocketed in the past 10years while our wages have stayed the same it’s time we get a decent raise since canada post is making profits in the hundreds of millions

  • gail says:

    I guess the way I look at it as an employee of Canada Post accept we are never going to get everything we want and the offer isnt bad so the Union fighting for everything is going to screw us again like last time . We are lucky that we have good jobs and pensions most places dont

    • Belinda says:

      I think its gona be like last time we get nothing and they will say we will fight again.In the mean all us rmsc have lost hundreds of dollars off our cheques. And everything is going up our insurance and gas and everything else sorry I dont have much faith.

  • Tech says:

    If we did get locked out or go on strike CUPW doesn’t even have enough money in the strike fund for any extended period of time, most of our dues go to the CUPW fun Pot or vacation fund. On another note it won’t matter because we risk losing one of our biggest customers “Amazon” and God knows who else, therefor bye bye all of us.

    • Charlie says:

      Time to change the National office.
      Get rid of everyone that has 4 years or less to retirement.
      They will make sure we get a good contract if they are going back to doing our jobs.

  • LCiO says:

    Sounds like negotiation committees are working hard to get a deal done and probably into the evenings hope you’re paying yourselves well? Furthermore we didn’t get to see an offer and won’t, before the usual suspects gave our representation a strike mandate!

  • Tech says:

    All I keep hearing is RSMC, I guess all the money goes to them and the rest of us get whatever is leftover. Thanks CUPW…

    • Coffee Girl says:

      Tech…I agree with you 100%…But there won’t be any leftovers once CUPW raises our Union dues(once again) By the way where does our money go? Oh right to buy whistles,send people on trips, Condos in Ottawa, defend DEADBEATS…etc…etc…

  • Charlie says:

    Always the same story, we deserve a good raise, I lost 250$ in flyers alone, with the change of rate. My net salary from 10 years ago is almost the same as today.
    Cost of living hasnt stopped going up.
    Grade 12 education? let me tell you that a lot of us have a lot more then a grade 12 education.

  • greg smith says:

    so I see cupw wants 3,5% a year…..good lets price ourselves out of job for a grade 12 education. also always the threat of a strike. boy I would want to bank here. medical marijuana deliveries will not be made. we will become an essential service. here we go again. drink some more koolaid. and lose your pension as we close up or are sold!!!

  • PO5 says:

    New Global offer by CUPW….Read on CUPW website…

  • gail says:

    As a employee of Canada Post I ‘ve seen so many changes over the yrs but, I think a positive thing would be to put a bank in the Offices as it would benefit the customers and would benefit the company and I know this idea has been floating around so why not

    • PO5 says:

      Postal banking is a great idea…No matter how much sense it makes…The big banks would do all they can to never let it happen….Plus I don’t really feel this is a issue for a employee contract negotiation…CUPW would be better served to sway the public that postal banking makes sense….And have the public pressure the government to include this issue in the future business plans of CPC…

  • Chris meyers says:

    Just a side note if canada post is still looking for a way to save the drop in letter mail profits and make a ton of money and stay sustainable. its very simple are you ready for this?we become are own amazon.we already have the delivery network which amazon uses they made a trillion dollars with our network. All we need to do is house the goods change the name to postazon lol and we will crush amazon .its that simple

  • po5 says:

    benefits&pension left alone for us already on staff.More important than anything else for me as a po5.If you want more $ have to work in the private sector.Can”t have it all this day&age.

  • PO5 says:

    So inflation in Canada outlook looks to increase an average of two percent per year over the next few years….So a 4 yr contract would see employees salary increase by 6%…While inflation goes up by 8%…Rollbacks in some areas,A small increase in a few areas that don’t match the roll backs that took place in the last 2 contracts…There is not one place of gain in this offer….

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