Canada Post tables offer to CUPW-Urban

2018/10/03

Earlier today, Canada Post tabled an offer to the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW-Urban).

The offer builds on an earlier one presented on September 7, 2018. It provides wage increases in every year of the proposed agreement, improved benefits and makes no changes to the pension.

The offer also addresses many of the workload issues that employees face in handling more and more parcels every year. It adds more full-time positions in mail processing, greater opportunity for temporary and part-time employees, and improvements for the maintenance group.

In a letter to all CUPW-represented employees, the Chair of the Board of Directors and Interim President and CEO Jessica McDonald explains how we address concerns in both the Urban and RSMC groups and confirms the company’s commitment to work with CUPW to grow and improve the business.

While the conciliation process has concluded, talks are ongoing with the help of a mediator, and Canada Post continues to work toward a negotiated settlement.

The collective agreement between Canada Post and CUPW-Urban expired January 31, 2018 but the terms and conditions continue to apply for now.

We will continue to keep you informed of key developments through your team leaders and the Negotiations Hub.

Read here the detailed summary of the offer tabled with the Union.

300 comments

  • PO5 says:

    CUPW giving CPC 5 days for the two to work out a contract..That is generous amount of time given our contract ended so long ago…Needed to have a strike vote to get CPC to make their 1st offer…Seems CUPW has had to take some kind of action just to get things moving…More then enough time to get it done if both sides really want to…

  • gsf says:

    cupw finally gave 72-hr notice of strike

  • Shoptalk says:

    Postal banking is a somewhat archaic solution.
    RSMC brought up to same wages, while urban offered 1.5%? Is there not something wrong here? Did they not know what they originally had agreed to, or why would anyone to do so? Once again, passed over! And the union ponders why they are steadily receiving less support Wow, really?????

  • Mark says:

    Just heard Letter Carriers being offered $1.00/he more…sounds like things are moving aling

  • Simplecpcguy says:

    WOW, THE UNION’S LAST POST WAS ON FRIDAY. IT IS LATE MONDAY NIGHT AND NO UPDATE. THEY ARE ASKING CPC TO GIVE THE EMPLOYEES RESPECT. CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHAT RESPECT THE UNION HAS FOR THEIR OWN BROTHERS AND SISTERS???????????? THEY DONT CARE AT ALL. IF YOU ASK YOUR WON REPS IN YOUR OFFICES THEY DONT EVEN KNOW ANYTHING. VERY VERY SAD. ALSO I DONT WANT TO HEAR OH THEY DO THAT BECAUSE THEY DONT WANT TO LEAK ANYTHING OUT. THAT IS BS. WE ALL HAVE FAMILIES AND THE UNKNOWN IS HURTING ALL OF US INCLUDING OUR CUSTOMERS.

    SAY SOMETHING UNION BOSSES OR CPC DONT BE SELFISH

    • Simplecpcguy says:

      THANK YOU CUPW FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTION LAST NIGHT. ITS ABOUT TIME ONE OF THEM STARTED TO ROLL THE BALL, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR AWHILE KNOWS THAT WHEN CUPW DOES THIS ROTATING STRIKE, CPC WILL LOCK US OUT. AS FAR AS THE COMMENT THAT CUPW IS GENEROUS ABOUT GIVING 5 DAYS, ITS BECAUSE NOT ONLY WITH THE CANNABIS DELIVERY THERE IS ALSO THE SOCIO CHEQUE RELEASE ON MONDAY. IF WE GET LOCKED OUT WE ARE DONE. AS THE LIBERALS STATED THEY WILL NOT FORCE WORKERS BACK, THEY WANT THE CORPORATION AND THE UNION TO WORK IT OUT.

      GUESS WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT FOR THE LAST 2 YEARS AND NO MOVEMENT. ITS GOING TO BE A VERY LONG LOCK OUT IF IT HAPPENS. BOTH CPC AND CUPW IS PLAYING A GAME OF CHESS. WELL LETS SIT BACK AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS SINCE WE DONT HAVE A SAY.

  • Charlie says:

    All union bulletins say negotiations 2017-2018.
    Soon to say at this pace 2017-2018-2019.
    What was the point of asking members for a strike vote.
    About 40% of membership vote.

    • PO5 says:

      100% of the membership are allowed to vote…

    • Scott says:

      The strike mandate runs out soon. They only get 60 days and then they have to come back to the membership for another one. My guess is CPC is dragging this out a little at a time so that the mandate will run out. I expect something will be called in the next week or so. There is no way CUPW will let the mandate run out and risk their membership not giving them another one. That would be like allowing the members to vote on contract offers and keeping us informed regularly. Not going to happen.

      • Simplecpcguy says:

        WOW, THE UNION’S LAST POST WAS ON FRIDAY. IT IS LATE MONDAY NIGHT AND NO UPDATE. THEY ARE ASKING CPC TO GIVE THE EMPLOYEES RESPECT. CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHAT RESPECT THE UNION HAS FOR THEIR OWN BROTHERS AND SISTERS???????????? THEY DONT CARE AT ALL. IF YOU ASK YOUR WON REPS IN YOUR OFFICES THEY DONT EVEN KNOW ANYTHING. VERY VERY SAD. ALSO I DONT WANT TO HEAR OH THEY DO THAT BECAUSE THEY DONT WANT TO LEAK ANYTHING OUT. THAT IS BS. WE ALL HAVE FAMILIES AND THE UNKNOWN IS HURTING ALL OF US INCLUDING OUR CUSTOMERS.

        SAY SOMETHING UNION BOSSES OR CPC DONT BE SELFISH

  • Curiosity says:

    Please help!
    Wage vs compensation
    Pay equity vs pay package (contract)
    One of the things I surly can do when filling my personal income tax is:
    I can write off related expenses against compensation as contractor or
    None of all as wage earner.

    Let’s go back and say:
    Sorry, we are now your wage earner employee just like those urban side and change name to RSMC DA, RSMC LC, or RSMC MSC cause we all do the same things under the same roof.
    Just a reminder CPC, should consider high. way services contracting structure and wonder why there isn’t any grieving noise

  • Scott says:

    So at our strike vote meeting I told the regional rep that CUPW does a horrible job of communicating to its members. I was told there probably was no update and I responded then say that! To go 2, 3 and sometimes 4 days without some sort of update is unreasonable and shows utter disrespect to the membership. KEEP US INFORMED OR SHOVE OFF! Also, the union “leadership” mentioned helping with the overburdening of letter carriers that are on foot routes and park and loops I guess that means that those of us that have suffered the CMB conversion are in no need of help. I will try and remember that tomorrow when I walk into scan and deliver 150 -200 items! What a joke! We in my depot have been thrown under the bus and all but forgotten. During my last two restructures when they cut our compliment in half the local union was absent both times. No help and no support. We are lucky if a union rep comes into our building 2 times a year. Don’t get me wrong CPC treats us like pack mules or gum that needs to be scraped off the bottom of their shoes, but at least I expect that. After 27 years of paying union dues I expect more from the people I PAY to represent me. Make no mistake about it, if CUPW messes up these negotiations I will be filing a negligence complaint with the Canadian Labour Relations Board. I am done. I do not want to hear another thing about the RSMCs who pay much less each month than I do in dues and for far less in years. Get a contract signed for the majority of members, and then worry about their contract!

    • Boomboom says:

      http://www.cirb-ccri.gc.ca/eic/site/047.nsf/eng/00103.html
      This should of been filed a long time ago…along with the decertification.
      The company needs to give the members a fair offer above 2% and an extra personal day, and reverse flyer system and put the union in their place.
      Because we all know that the union still doesn’t know how to negotiate…

      • J.c. says:

        I keep reading these posts, after yesterday’s local CUPW meeting , I feel the need to comment.

        At last nights Ottawa local meeting I brought up this whole flyer pay cut we all took. I asked why the Union requested this cut, cause I can tell you the average carrier in my depot lost 300$ a month and arent happy about it, and not 1 route was created out of it, in our depot.

        I had a member of our regional executive stand up and say that we should get NO pay for flyers and it should all be values .His comment supported by many that were at meeting. If this is the method of thinking from our Union or at least these members, I’m worried about how much they really care about L.C. Everyone should ask their local or regional, national if they all support this.
        That would answer lot of your questions.

      • Mark says:

        Boom boom…you must be a new employee…2011, we offered 10 personal instead of the 7 and the Union rejected it….2 percent wage increase…not going to happen ..flyers…forget it…union signed this off for your extra 4 minutes…there has been yelling and screaming to decertify this union for a very long time…give it up

      • LCiO says:

        Do you know of any petitions?

    • PO5 says:

      You expect to be treated like a pack mule or gum that needs to be scraped off the bottom of their shoe…Really you expect that?…..

      • Scott says:

        Absolutely. For more than 27 years I have never been treated any other way by management. I went to CLDP a few years back and all the higher ups were there on the final evening and I sat back and listened and after a few drinks there real thoughts about us emerged. It was not pretty. They think very lowly of us as a workforce. My comments are tame compared to what I heard them actually say about us. You would be shocked!

  • Shane Ordano says:

    Negotiations are getting close to rapping up and as a new employee (December 2017) I fall into this lower wage bracket and feel the need to have my voice heard.

    $19.86 as a new employee is not enough most people hired at this wage do not last the fist month before quitting. As a new hire there is so much to learn, remember and a ton of stress that comes with this job not to mention as a new person we get the worst, of the worst, work in the organization. I have been told that only 1 in 10 newbies stay… WHAT REALLY!!!… That right there should be a big red flag.

    I sure hope my Union has not given up the fight for us newbies, we need our voices heard and our union to stand up and fight for us. The 2013 collective agreement was one of the worst we have ever had according to coworkers I have spoken to.

    To CUPW, we need this 2013 wage chart gone to my understanding the last round of negotiations were tough, and I’m sure you agreed to this to save other aspects of the current agreement. But as a new employee WE DON’T APPRECIATE BEING THROWN UNDER THE BUS… (I’m sure I’m not the only one to feel this way)

    Having said that I’m not involved directly with negotiations and I’m sure CUPW is doing everything possible. Personally I would settle for a starting wage around 23-24/hr to start and getting to top wage within 3-4yrs. Doing this would only benefit new employees and Canada post.

    To Canada post, you need to treat your employees with respect and dignity we are the face of the company and are the engine that drives your profit. Not to mention we are “CANADIANS” treat us like you would your neighbor.

    You Canada Post represent this country please show the rest of the world how they should treat their employees and lead by example.

    Thank you from the little guy…

    Shane

    • PostmanPat says:

      Shane, when you signed the papers to become an employee with Canada Post, did they not tell you exactly what you would be making per hour? Did they cover it up and “pull the wool over your eyes” on your starting wage? Did they outright lie to you about your starting salary?
      No, they didn’t do any of the above.
      When you get hired on, you are told exactly what your hourly pay will be. You didn’t have to agree to the pay. You could have gotten a job somewhere else instead. Do you do the same work as the rest of the long term employees? Yes, I will assume you do. Do you get paid the same hourly rate as an employee who has been working for 30 years? No, you don’t.
      My question to you and EVERY other new hire under the “newer” graduated pay system is this : Name 1 other company that pays brand new employees the same hourly rate as a 30yr vet. Name 1.
      Do fresh out of school electricians get paid the same as a journeyman? Nope. Do they do virtually the same job. Yup. Do they eventually get paid the same rate. Yup…but you need to earn your time and work for it.
      Bottom line is, no one lied to any of you new employees regarding your pay rate. No one. You knew the rate, you agreed to it, you signed the agreement. You all knew. Especially the RSMCs. You have no right to bitch about your pay when you knew damn well what it was.
      CUPW needs to drop that issue. It’s costing CPC tens of millions of dollars due to just the potential of a strike! So many of you are worried about your pay and job security when a strike is what you should be worried about! We strike, every one of us will lose thousands of dollars. We will NEVER make that money back and no amount of hourly raise over the 4yr term will ever make up for the wages lost.
      CUPW works for themselves and only themselves. If they didn’t have anything to bitch about and fight about with CPC, there would be no use for them…and they know it.

  • PO5 says:

    LOL …My you can hear the shrill in these post from the alternative facts crowd..Almost sounds like panic…Trolls get louder when they realize their schtick isn’t working…And can’t get anyone to drink from their juice box…It’s got so bad for them…That two have resorted to using different names..And are even having a back and forth with themselves….Back under the bridge with you…

    • Charlie says:

      PO5 Sounds a lot like a Union executive.

    • PO5 says:

      Insult away…Funny who it is that seem offended by my comment…And as for names…You know I meant same person posting with 2 different nicknames right?…And then having a convo with themselves…Anyway keep trying to get free thinkers to drink from your juice box..Cheers..

    • Mark says:

      Different names,? So your birth name is PO5? Look who’s calling the kettle black…not too bright, are you?

    • Coffee Girl says:

      It’s an OPEN FORUM and we are all entitled to our own opinion…Because people don’t agree with the CUPW dreams of grandeur doesn’t mean people are spreading alternative facts…Here’s ONE FACT I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON: Let’s get a fair, decent contract.And both sides need to stop playing games….stop playing with our livelihoods.So so glad this is the FINAL TIME I NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS.

      • PO EXT 02 says:

        Open forum? This is the only place we can speak. Why doesn’t our own union have a place where we can speak on the website?

      • PO5 says:

        Coffee you are just about the worst stealth troll I have every seen….Throwing in a blurb about CPC every once in awhile…Just to seem even handed…I am not the 1st one to point this out..Ya ya I know….As usual I am sure you will say…Read my posts you will see I am calling out both sides..You need a little more skill then that to seem unbiased….Seems yours and your like juice box is starting to get sour…cheers

  • LCiO says:

    We don’t need Postal Banking? Because of CUPW’s association with the Credit Union they’re offering up ‘Strike Loans’ or ‘Lock Out Loans’ at a low CU interest rate. Goodbye Payday Loans carousel, hello CU carousel. Thank you CUPW for the $200 strike pay I should have that loan paid off by let’s see.. Mark, Coffee Girl can you help me? God Bless us Everyone! Thanks…Cheers

    • Coffee Girl says:

      Well there now CUPW…ask the Credit Union to partner with you in the Banking Business..I’m sure they’ll jump at the chance!

    • Charlie says:

      Has the Union asked to get back the 1cent for flyers?
      Of course NOT, the whole idea behind that was the union would create more positions by doing this.

      Yes Union asked for this.

      They wanted to get rid of all flyer pay, for more values.
      Less money for us, for more union revenue.
      When will we wake up, and notice this Union has been against us for years.

      • Lc23 says:

        Charlie you are right on
        sadly CUPW is run like a business
        They surely aren’t working for their members
        It’s all about getting more union dues
        That’s why they want the RSMC’s to make our wage so they can increase dues. Great business plan CUPW. WE NEED TO STOP VOTING YES TO THE STRIKE MANDATE !

    • Charlie says:

      Very simple Canada Post should just table an offer, that is suitable to employees, leave out Postal Banking, and the other crap. And then dare union to say no.

      Maybe stop the slush fund that canada post pays union to go on their world trips.
      Yes you heard right canada post pays the union to do these trips.
      Give it to employees instead.

      • Coffee Girl says:

        My God Charlie! I know you mean well and I agree with you ,but CUPW would never give up their trips to go around the world preaching the CUPW GOSPEL! Never mind the employees, we don’t matter to either side.

    • LCiO says:

      There are over 8000 bank branches in Canada if you’re not trying to compete with the big boys why are you doing this? And who is going to invest money where the employees go on strike? What will be the first building CUPW recommends you and the rest of the ‘Koolaiders’ ‘Picket’? Yeah great idea folks invest your money here this will work trust me? And then when you give CUPW a ‘Strike Mandate’ and ‘Picket’ the building what’ll you tell the Customers then? Oh sorry but why would you invest your money here? This is CPC they treat their employees like garbage they won’t even give us a raise, what happened to our CTI, look how much our householder payment is, what is all the crying going to stop? I doubt it? Maybe work in Never Neverland. Never ever here. Typical delusional ‘Koolaider’

  • greg says:

    @ Doug: Impatience??? More like frustration over how many years?? that these fricken dinosaurs on both sides are still using antiquated system to negotiate a contract. Seriously POSTAL BANKING ?? CHARGING STATIONS?? Wtf, that is what the union dinosaurs could come up with. The Big Banks own the Politicians, no chance in hell for CPC. Please, Parcel delivery is where the money is. Let’s give the consumers what they want. 3 shifts, 7 days a week. Between Purolator and us we can take care of all of Amazon and Walmart’s deliveries and more.

    • Doug says:

      Greg,
      If Amazon had stuck to just books, it would not be the largest retailer in the world today. Some businesses go hand in hand with parcel/mail delivery – and I happen to think, as does the evidence, that postal banking is worth experimenting with. I am not saying we try to compete with banks. Rather, go and do what the big banks do not want to do (i.e. rural banking is non-existence in some places). Our depots, of which there are more than Tim Horton’s across Canada, should do whatever is best for increasing business lines, expanding the brand, and, ultimately, turning a profit. Banking is a low start-up, high return business — and we already own the real estate. Not saying it would be a big business line anytime soon, but Canada Post should definitely try it out! Banking is a business we used to be involved and other Postal companies across the world have, and continue to do, profitably!!!

      • greg says:

        @ Doug I agree that there is an underserved population in rural areas that CP could end up serving their financial needs. The problem is the financial services are slowly going on a online platform, and with crypto currencies being just around the corner it’s a short term solution. Even the US Postal service is having hard time implementing postal banking. Plus I have not heard from any NDP MPs backing postal banking publicly. I think the postal banking proposal should be presented to the federal government with the backing from all labour unions and the effected public.

      • Mark says:

        Sure…what planet are you from? With the unstable relationship that Canada Post and CUPW has with general public… possible strike or lockout every 4 years or less…yeah, I would trust them with my money to get access 24/7…have you really listened to yourself? Beaing a used car salesman doesn’t work

        • Doug says:

          Mark,
          The public trusts “them” to deliver their checks, their weed, their crucial documents, etc, etc…and the banks have left rural areas in some cases completely. I think you mistake making some money in banking (i.e. rural banking trials to start) with trying to become the biggest bank in Canada. If you see a quarter do you pick it up…?

          • Mark says:

            No other airline will fly to remote areas in Canada except Air Canada. Why? Because Air Canada has an obligation with the government to fly to these areas and the other airlines know they will lose money. Same thing goes for Postal Banking…there is no money to be made in these remote areas and Canada Post is in the business for profit…do give it up

    • LCiO says:

      Greg is your glass empty?LOL 3 shifts 7days a week why that’s crazy talk? CUPW doesn’t work on weekends and if they don’t than nobody does. Sorry thinking about the 70’s again? Plus the ‘koolaid’ drinkers don’t even want to work weekdays? And Postal Banking maybe in ‘Never Neverland’ but never ever here. I just gave “Heather” another argument for Postal Banking. Yes I did say maybe in ‘Never Neverland. ‘Koolaiders’ only other argument is that it works in other Countries?

  • Coffee Girl says:

    Of course CPC reads these comments since it is their own website! Where’s CUPW’s website? Oh I forgot,we’re NOT ALLOWED TO DISAGREE WITH THEM! And neither side is willing to issue the 72 hour notice although like I’ve said before, Joe Public doesn’t care if it’s a lockout or a strike…Public opinion is NOT ON OUR SIDE…

    • Heather says:

      Sunday night perhaps …..
      So tell canada post what we want! Less personal babble would be nice.
      Go ahead tell cpc

      Pay us 3.5% more! and we can get on with things.

      Now you tell them what you want…go ahead

      • Coffee Girl says:

        And less KoolAid drinking would be nice too…Let’s tell CUPW what we don’t want…The “STALLING” with their pipe dream ideas.Have fun walking the line…Can’t wait when CUPW comes back with a worse offer than before and trying to sell it! Oh wait it will be the same song and dance…” We tried…we fought and stuck it to CPC! Where do you think they’re all now at this moment? Out partying on our dime…Not in ” INTENSE NEGOTIATIONS”

        • Heather says:

          CANADA POST has not moved on the inadequate 1.5% on ANY offer.
          We are not stalling on our side. Hurry up and give the employees what they want and need!

        • Heather says:

          CANADA POST is the emploer and ultimately decides what they deem we are worth.
          Tell them what you would accept….this is the perfect platform.
          Go ahead….please….tell them….lol

      • Mark says:

        3.5? Dream on…CUPW started this with the bottom feeding expectations… unrealistic and stupid demands (Postal Banking, greening of buildings, electric vehicles)…tree hugging is not supposed to be part of our collective agreement…you want this? Go do it on your own time..
        Just as the Liberals “carbon tax” is a scam do are these demands just stated. Give the people that bust their added day in and day out the compensation we deserve, get rid of these ridiculous demands

        • Heather says:

          I’m saying if Canada Post was smart….. SHOW US THE MONEY and the rest is status quo basically so it would be a no brainer…..The majority of our 48000 would vote YES.
          postal banking is stupid, but that was an attempt to keep us relevant when the union bought in to this idea that Canada Post was losing money. Canada Post was never I’ll repeat never losing money!
          We’ve made them extremely profitable. We’ve done that! PAY UP

  • Donna says:

    It is funny how a union that promotes the concept of fair wages pays the members a pitance to go out on strike and do the work that they have been paid big bucks to do, and have not been able to accomplish. Child labour in China probably gets paid more than the union offers its members to strike. If they were being paid to negotiate a contract the same as they are willing to pay its members to picket the contract would be ratified by now. Personally I do not work for slum wages and never will but I will get a chuckle out of watching those on the picket line as I drive by going to work. A real job, with good pay and no union.

  • Confucius says:

    1st union has to get off this postal banking crap, and worry about getting a contract done. You don’t need banks everything is done on line nowadays. If the union wanted to make a suggestion for CPC a grow op. would be the way to go. I wouldn’t mind half my dues going toward shares in a grow op. Second CPC missed the boat once again. Should have become amazon when they had the chance.They already have the distribution, could have been making billions . These two sides need to get off their butts and get this thing done. Useless!

  • greg says:

    So the only way to make any changes to the union’s management is through the union’s constitution and that is not going to happen due to the same old board of directors that are in place. So the only option is to decertify the union. We need 51% of the membership across Canada to vote to decertify. We can also start a petition on one of the free sites to gain support from members across Canada. I would suggest to members to check out this website: cupwcorruptionexposed.com. Also if we get all the federal employee’s unions combined to form a one big powerful union like in some European countries it certainly would not take 12 months to come to a negotiated settlement.

    • Doug says:

      Your impatience is unproductive; decertifying, or even trying to, is a dead end. Sure, everyone is frustrated, but remember that it is the company that has attacked us at every chance they have gotten! They two tier wages, give temps schedules, basically try to put letter carriers in the hospital with forced OT, and they continue to try and take more and more. Wake up, CUPW’s issues are not the major issue right now — Canada Post’s deplorable second offer is! STRIKE!

      • Coffee Girl says:

        And who signed off on a lot of this stuff?CUPW! So thank our Union!

        • Doug says:

          Do you want to rewrite history or try to move forward. Actually, the Harper years were responsible for most of ours, and many other unions, losses. Those years are over. STRIKE!

          • Mark says:

            If the CUPW had half a brain and foresight at the time, they would have had a better playbook than Harper did and taken CP’s final offer and we now would have had 14 Personal Days but no, they wanted to stick it to them…how did that work out?

          • LCiO says:

            Harper Gov. replaced our sick days with the new STDP Legislation for all Fed Level Civil Servants at a cost savings of almost 200 million dollars that’s it. ‘Abuse them and lose them’ or what was the ‘Koolaid’ drinkers saying ‘use them or lose them? Right? You should know? You were whining it up and CPC forced you to take a ‘Sickie’ because they wanted you to do your job and it was your ‘Koolaid’ supplier recommending to do that, ‘stick it to the Corp.’ you’ll show them? They can’t tell you to do your job?

        • LCiO says:

          CPC forced them to concede. That’s what CUPW told them at the last ‘Koolaid’ Party, but the Union fought gallantly to no avail. I’m waiting for CUPW’s low budget memo to come out?

          • LCiO says:

            Oh, the Harper Gov. did far more to us? Sorry I didn’t know? I also didn’t know he replaced our “Sick Days’ with new legislation at a cost savings of $200 million like I said so he could give us a 3.5% wage increase? I wish you had said that before? Anyways drink up…cheers.

          • Heather says:

            Harper did far more than that to us! If he saved 200 million dollars for Canada Post as you say he did…… Where’s our 3.5%, where was it last time and the time before and the time before that?
            We are in the last few days before something will happen, the very least we can do is get together on is putting the pressure on Canada Post since they read this …… yes yes we want 3.5%!!!
            Done deal

      • LCiO says:

        Decertification is not improbable, and have you ever thought that maybe CPC “has attacked us at every chance they have gotten” because of the ‘lack’ of ‘Representation”? After all they are the memberships ‘Sole and Exclusive Bargaining Unit’ wake up and smell the ‘Coffee’ and stop drinking the ‘Koolaid’ no amount of ‘whining and crying’ on the floor can change that? Only the ‘Keystone Union’ can right now during negotiations, so when we get stuck with a mediocre CA don’t be running around like a little baby blaming everyone else? Unions can go ‘Stale’ they have a ‘shelf life’? Over the decades CUPW has been representing us you don’t know of the ‘Friendships’ and ‘Backroom Deals’ that have been made? All at our expense. So maybe it’s time to seek ways of bringing in new ‘Representation’ unless, as you show with your comment you’d be happy to go on ‘Strike’ for $200 if your out that long or if you even see the money? The Corp. has won again? Do the math?

        • Coffee Girl says:

          “Friendships” “Backroom Deals” … CONSTANTLY and the same people that cry about CPC are the Rah! Rah! I’ll give my life for CUPW …making these deals with Management to get what suits them…then come out on the floor bashing Management…Uh huh…Have another sip of the Kool Aid y’all!

      • Mark says:

        Sure…keep drinking the Kool-Aid…

  • Simplecpcguy says:

    First off, THEY WORKED VERY HARD OVER THE THANKSGIVING WEEKEND. THATS BS. IF THEY WORKED VERY HARD OVER THE LONG WEEKEND THEN WHY DIDNT WE HEAR ANYTHING UNTIL TUESDAY. LIE NUMBER 1. ALSO TODAY WHICH IS FRIDAY THEY SAY THEY ARE WORKING VERY HARD. LIE NUMBER TO. THEY ARE HOME RELAXING AND NOT WORRYING LIKE ALL THE REST OF US, JUST WAITING AND MOVING ON WITH OUR LIVES.

    ALSO PEOPLE SAY THEY WONT STRIKE OR LOCKOUT RIGHT BEFORE THE DELIVERY OF CANNABIS STARTING ON THE 17TH. LET ME TELL YOU THAT IS THE LEAST OF THERE WORRIES BECAUSE IF SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN PUROLATER WILL DELIVER IT UNTIL WE GET BACK TO NORMAL. THATS MY TAKE ON IT. I HAVE BEEN WITH CPC FOR 26 YEARS AND ITS ALL GAMES.

  • Sore feet. says:

    I’ve been with Canada Post for 31 years. In all these years, nothing has changed. CUPW/CPC dance together at the expense of CUPW employees. No other bargaining unit take this long to reach a collective agreement. Its disgusting that both sides cannot reach agreement on important basic issues like, wages/benefits first, and agree to continue talking about secondary issues after the contract is signed. I truly believe both sides are TOP heavy and neither party wants to concede to defeat. Over thanksgiving weekend CUPW released and update on talks over the holiday weekend. Among the issues solved…” digital characteristics to the definition of discrimination”…seriously?……..Here is discrimination….ignoring the demands of the membership to end this craziness and get a contract! If CUPW/CPC can reach agreement on this lame issue…and not on major issues…we need better negotiators.

  • Rick says:

    Our beloved union should hand over the negotiating to the U.S. President. That way we will at least have a definite answer of either strike/lockout or settlement, instead of being stroked for months. Settle now or drop the union and bring on someone who knows how to settle!!!

  • Decertify union says:

    “This isn’t just about wages and benefits – postal workers are negotiating for climate leadership and expanded services that improve the lives of everyone in this country,” said Megan Whitfield, CUPW Toronto Local President.

    Is cupw now a political party?

    • LC23 says:

      Ya postal banking ??? Canadian banks are the strongest in the world and our smart union wants to compete with them? Just negotiate a deal for your members for once !!!!

      • Coffee Girl says:

        Uh huh …Postal Banking …who would want to put their money…investments …mortgages with a company that always seems to be in negotiations of some sort…or the threat of job action? Who in their right mind would trust a Bank like that? It’s beyond laughable!

    • LCiO says:

      The Socialist Party. Come on in have some ‘Koolaid’!

    • Charlie says:

      No just a joke

    • Mark says:

      Oh please…this union is so full of it…this is supposed to be for us…the worker….this nonsense like greening of buildings, electric vehicles, postal banking etc, etc…should have never been included. Now because of all this BS, we are having a hard time just getting a decent raise…these treehuggers have to take these matters on a different agreement with CPC and stop stalling our willingness to work

  • PJTIPPS says:

    Can Post locked up the Ontario contract to deliver Pot starting Oct. 17 . Estimated 2 billion in sales first year alone. No Ontario stores for at least 6mos…Im sure a few other provinces will ise CP or maybe mandated to use Cp?
    Our parcels are already ridiculously under assessed.
    Strike notice Oct.14.
    3.5
    3.0
    2.5
    2.0%
    +sick days
    Ontario deliveries alone could potentially pay for all wage increases.
    Contract solved

  • roc says:

    Time to raise the strike pay!! $200 a week won’t even pay my gas to get to the picket line!. I may be wrong but it seems to me the strike pay is the same as it was 20 or more years ago. Meanwhile our dues have doubled in that time. The union wastes millions every year. For example, the child car fund. What is it for? Heard about it when I joined Canada Post almost 30 years ago. They have spent millions on this over the years, but for what? So the executive can take their families to the National Convention every year and have babysitters paid for by the membership while they’re out on the town. We’ve had one lousy contract after another meanwhile the union is banking and wasting millions. In my opinion the union has wasted to much time and money on the RSMC file to the detriment of the Urban file. They’ve gotten all kinds of improvements for the RSMCs over the years while Urban has gotten the shaft. These RSMCs knew the job they were getting when they took it!

  • KSS says:

    To get same dollar amount as APOC received this year (1.8% or roughly $1300), ours should be equal to 2.35%. (This is just to keep up with APOC this year only, to catch up with them, it will take lot more to reduce the gap). With same percentage, gap will be widening more every year.
    As far as full time verses part time hours, I have one suggestion to bring full time ratio up. Delete 30 part time positions and create 20 full times (numbers depending on employees in work area). This group of 20 (call them relief, floaters whatever) should report to Manager every day. Manager should distribute these employees according to timely requirement (give managers some work).

    • Coffee Girl says:

      I think that’s a great idea but CUPW and the crybabies wouldn’t like being reliefs, floaters …etc…No…They’d want a “DESIGNATED POSITION”No one wants to start out at the bottom these days.

      • LCiO says:

        That’s great when did you get that gig of ‘getting others to drink their’ ‘Koolaid’? Good for you at least the Corp. is paying you and not taking $90/mth like CUPW to get others to drink their ‘Koolaid’. Have a congratulatory cup of java for me.

      • PO5 says:

        Our plant tried it at least 15 yrs ago…It was called the relief pool..It was a full time…Started with about 15 people….It became a choice position for people with little seniority…As it gave some a shot at day positions…It lasted about 3yrs….And it was CPC who ended it as they had to keep adding positions to the relief pool……It was easier for CPC to just cover positions the way they do now…Had nothing to do with not wanting to start at the bottom…The relief pool was their DESIGNATED POSITION…Just thought I would get the true facts out there…But I know some won’t care..They would rather just go along with coffee’s alternative facts…And thats ok..It’s their job to get others to drink their koolaid…Cheers….

        • Heather says:

          Thanks PO5, you’d think coffee girl would know this…. seeing as she has 35+ years as a cupw member ( her own words) likely too busy sucking up getting coffee for mgt. We know the type.

          • LCiO says:

            Word is circulating that CUPW has discovered that CPC has been brainwashing their employees to go to work on their scheduled days and fulfill their duties and responsibilities under the ‘Terms and Conditions’ of the Collective Agreement to ‘EARN’ their ‘Paychecks’ and in turn ‘PAY’ CUPW their almost $90/mth and CPC is using ‘Coffee’ to do this? I’ve been drinking the ‘Coffee’ for 30yrs and consider myself an employee of CPC first, not a member of CUPW first? Heather what does the world look like from outer space?

          • Coffee Girl says:

            Cheers to you too Heather…lol…Talking about the plant I work in …Different locals…little side deals made here and there to suit the whiners. See it all the time…CPC & CUPW can work together….What’s most important is “We need a CONTRACT”

        • Coffee Girl says:

          Cheers to you too PO5 …guess you work in a different plant atmosphere than I do…That however I also blame on CPC,( not only CUPW) for catering to the crybabies.Because it would never go over in my plant…And that is THE FACTS.

  • Charlie says:

    Cupw annual income 48million.

    What’s the number of employees? National,Regionals,locals.

    They spend 5 million on one meeting a year. National convention.

    We are 50000 cupw members, we need to figure out between us how to get at least national office out the door.

  • Steve says:

    Just received a letter from CPC . It says in the offer “Fair Pay”. At 1.5% it isn’t even at the cost of living. Over the last 10 years we haven’t much of a pay increase. Deductions and dues are out pacing our pay increases. A “FAIR PAY” would be at least 2% per year. Everything else looks reasonable.

    • Neil says:

      I agree. Most things are reasonable in this offer, no rollbacks of pension and or holidays, etc. But as for the pay 1.5% is nowhere even near enough. In the offer the CEO states that we work hard for our $$ and things cost more every year… does she honestly think $30 a paycheque will help???? + CPP is going up next year 1%. Thats $600 of in pocket buying power for right now. 2.5% at the very least. Then this deal might get done.

  • I want out says:

    I don’t understand why everyone is just blaming this on the union. If CP wanted to get this done it would be done. Instead they dragged it out almost a year into the heaviest and most profitable part of the year. All they have to do is come to the table with a decent wage increase. Take it or leave put it to a vote. This is out of the unions hands. They are along for the ride.We deserve a reasonable raise and our customers deserve to know they can send something without a disruption. Come on Canada Post GET OFF THE POT!

    • LCiO says:

      Yeah CPC dragged this out to the busy season??Humm You know? Why didn’t the Union use the same strategy by dragging this out until the busy season and recommending to all the ‘koolaid’ drinkers to vote, at the Union hall, at ridiculous times for the working class, on giving them a ‘Strike Mandate’ so they can pull it out of their butts in negotiations during the busy season? Man I tell you, the Corp. is stuck in the 70’s with those negotiation tactics? They’ll probably ‘Lock us out’ too.

      • I want out! says:

        You tell me if 99% of the contract is the same why it takes so long??? This is not NAFTA. The union puts an offer on the table it takes 3 and a half weeks for CP to respond. Both sides are to blame but CP has more say in the time line. These talks cost alot of money for hotels , travel and wages.lets lets on with it. WE ARE LOOSING CUSTOMERS.

  • KSS says:

    We never received wages equal to or above inflation. We have COLA clause in our contract, but never received penny for it. Every contract our CPP, EI, Tax, Union dues & CPC Pension contribution goes up. Our take home pay decreasing with inflation. We were contributing 4% of our wages to CPC Pension plan in 2003. Now we are contributing 9% of our wages for same formula of 1.3% benefit per year of service. CPC have close to 3 billion dollars of surplus in the plan (same time they scare us with solvency deficit). This is big reason they do not want to touch our Pension plan (CPC will take holidays again).

  • Mark says:

    What if the union called for a strike and only the CUPW Kool-Aid drinkers showed up to picket?

  • Postie says:

    CUPW isn’t going to show their hand. It’s too deep in our pockets! Three and a half hours of our pay every month goes toward a union that cares ZERO about their “brothers and sisters”. So many of them haven’t done the job in years that are completely out of touch with us. Their routes are covered by mandatory OT several days of the week by the “brothers and sisters”, and a union rep in my office is home by 11am on the days of “union business”. (I know, I’m his carrier). They don’t even wear their uniforms when they come to give us updates and talk down to us. One “brother” tried to ask a question and was told to be quiet. Total disrespect to membership.

    • greg says:

      @Postie. You are right bout union executives. At my local they come in for overtime sorting parcels and the rest of the day is on union’s dime. The union structure is antiquated. We the members have no say in who gets elected to the regional or national executive. Thats how they are able to hold on to their executive positions. We need to change the constitution or get a big union to represent us.

    • PO4 says:

      That’s what I’m talking about!! If they can’t get the job done, then it’s time to go!!

  • P04 says:

    If CUPW doesn’t settle this contract, then I think it’s time to vote them out. Then we can find a union that is able to accomplish something. It’s been 10 years since they settle a contract!!! REALLY!!!

  • Ben says:

    This is what TTC has:
    Starting rate: $25/h
    Max rate after 2 years: $35/h
    Annual salary $70,000 with OT easily over $100,000 with better benefits then us.

    UPS:
    Starting rate:$16/h(this was 3-5 years ago)
    Max rate after 2 years: $30/hour
    Annual: $60,000-$80,000

    Canada Post
    Starting: $19/h
    After being a term for x amount of months to years PLUS SEVEN YEARS $26/hour

    Common… if you want a fare deal be competitive we know revenue increased by what was it 40%? Last time I checked.

    Minimum wage increased to from $10-$14/hour closing gap is increasing we could barely survive. Plus we’re killing our bodies out there.

    Would YOU be happy killing your body out there making less then competitors would you be able to survive with you and your family with this wage? After all the deduction we get less then $1300 per pay cheque.

    Union we pay you $80/ pay cheque hoping you would fight for better contract? Less flyer money? Less pay? Worse benefits? No one is stupid. We all know what’s going on… show us you care for us by action with a least a better contract then before.

  • MAM 11-C2 says:

    No matter how much we get as an increase in pay, union dues will go up and there goes any extra you though you might be getting. The big winner in all of this will be the RSMC’s. Two separate contracts but one much better than the other.

    • Doug says:

      Do the math buddy – you are wrong. Our raises, paltry as they might be, have dramatically outpaced the tiny increase in dues we get on a regular basis. If the company is trying to attack us now just remember it would be an unmitigated nightmare without a strong union. Union may be corrupt, but it is our best vehicle to fight for our rights. Dues are worth it!!!

    • jamas says:

      Maybe everybody should stop complaining about RMSC this and URBAN that. You are playing right into there game . United we stand divided we fall, stop blaming other people for things. The RSMC got a raise ( i think they deserve because they were under paid, what if it were the other way around and urban was making less money would that be right). Sometimes we should think before we complain. We should all stick together as a group and fight for equal rights and pay for everybody.

      • Mark says:

        How long you been with the corporation? We have been the scapegoats for the RSMCs for a long time…a person joining CP as an RSMC signed up knowing the compensation package going in…do they walk 20 kms a day? I don’t think so…it’s not the same job…and you can thank the union for creating this division

  • Scott says:

    So what happens if CPC offers urban a decent offer but not the RSMCs, do we get to vote on it? If we vote and reach an agreement but the RSMCs do not what happens? I work at a facility where we have 15 RSMC routes and in 2011 while we were striking/locked out our local instructed us to move aside and let the RSMCs into work. Just wondering if we have a contract and they do not will our local tell them to move aside or will we be told to honor their picket line? This could be quite telling and potentially divisive.

    • Heather says:

      Yes you will get to vote…..when its a decent offer.
      You got to vote on the demands
      You got to vote on if you were willing to strike

      Not sure how it will play out if we do eventually get a decent offer we would vote yes for, and the rsmc don’t. If Canada post were smart…thats exactly what they will do. They try to make us divide on the daily.

      • LCiO says:

        That was a ‘Vote’ to give CUPW a ‘Strike Mandate’ not a vote if you were willing to strike? And those were a list of ‘Demands’ put forth by CUPW and why do we have to wait for a decent offer that we will vote yes for? Stop drinking ‘Koolaid’ and ‘Posting’.

        • Heather says:

          The only way for strike action to occur is for a strike vote to take place and for a majority of voting members to. cast their ballots in favour of striking. That provides the bargaining committee with a strike mandate, which. gives them the ability to enact strike action.

          Definition of strike mandate FYI

      • LCiO says:

        I voted against a strike mandate, your wording? it was not a vote for ‘if you were willing to strike’? why can’t I decide what is decent? Why should I let CUPW or ‘Koolaid’ drinkers like yourself decide? You’re not saying much about the intelligence of the membership as opposed to CUPW or ‘Koolaid’ drinkers?. We got to vote on ‘Choices of Demands’ put forth by CUPW? That’s a soft ‘Democracy’? As far as fertility Drugs if you don’t need them than that’s good for you?

      • Coffee Girl says:

        Decent offer or not…a Democratic Union allows its members to vote on all offers.

        • 38 years ago says:

          I think you should educate yourself about how contract negotiations work (and this is how they always have in cupw) instead of you making unfounded statements and accusations that you have been constantly making. Here are 2 ideas for you.

          1. Get clarification from your Union rep(s) if you have any questions.

          2. Make recommendations to change how cupw negotiates if you are not happy with the current process.

          Stop making inaccurate statements about your negotiators and cupw. It just makes you look bad when you do.

          • Coffee Girl says:

            What CUPW do you belong to because the CUPW I belong to ( for 35+ years) does not give clarification nor likes any recommendations…If you go against their 1970s ,1980s way of thinking…Watch out! If you don’t drink their Kool aid…Watch out! I’ve seen it done it and heard it all…

          • Mark says:

            Lololololololololol…you’re funny…make recommendations?

            1). They won’t listen to you
            2) They never return calls
            3). They wouldn’t know a good recommendation if it slapped them in the face

            Koolaid Drinket

    • LC23 says:

      No we don’t get to vote on anything
      We made the BIG mistake of giving CUPW the strike mandate. Now they have the power to turn down any offer It’s the only union in Canada that doesn’t bring offers to its members.

  • Heather says:

    https://www.cupw.ca/en/long-weekend-update-urban-ops

    When did we ask fur fertility drugs?
    Just give us the 3.5% we deserve!

  • Charlie says:

    Funny how no one from cupw publishes their email address.

  • neetu says:

    I read before that they also want to eliminate the wage chart ( starts after 2012) but now i cant find anything .Are they going to eliminate that or not ?

    • Shafted! says:

      Not resolved! 2013 wage charts have not been agreed to be eliminated which means that those of us hired after February 1, 2013 are hugely underpaid as compared to our coworkers. I applied for the position of temporary letter carrier online at a rate of 26 something per hour…but after testing/training was completed I didn’t receive my letter of hire for a long time after. They delayed it until after Feb. 1 2013, when the pay rate dropped (unbeknownst to me) I was in shock when the rate of pay on the letter was approx.19 per hr. NOT the 26 something I applied for. I complained but I was told I would be at the standard rate of pay after 7 years. Only later did I learn that you don’t actually move through the wage charts as a temp, your wage rate stays the same. It was only after you are hired as a permanent employee that your pay increases at all. I have worked for Canada Post for a total of almost 8 years total (2yrs permanent CPAA almost 6 yrs CUPW) and my pay is only 21.79 per hour. Now they have agreed to allow temps to move through the charts. So those of us with more seniority wont be much better off than newly hired temps, even though we have put in many more years. It’s also hard to work next to someone making approx. $6 per hr more than you just because they were hired 3 months prior to you. We, whom were hired in feb 2013 certainly got shafted and still are!!!

      • Coffee Girl says:

        Blame both CPC & CUPW for the huge wage gap…However personally I don’t think a new hire should make the same as a long term employee…Having said that…the wage gap should only be say $ 2-3 difference tops.

  • NOEL says:

    A better eye care plan would make a lot of sense. Most positions require working your eyes heavily.

  • Coffee Girl says:

    Wonder how things will go this week? Hope both sides stop playing their “kindergarten games”..It’s so obvious that the employees don’t matter,just who wins…DISGRACEFUL.

  • Mark says:

    Over $80.00/month in union dues and what are we getting? Being kept in the dark…here is your glorious union showing their membership the respect we deserve by keeping us informed with up to the minute information. Just remember the total disrespect in 4 years time when we have to vote on a new contract

    • Coffee Girl says:

      Ha! CUPW show us respect? They take our money every month and run with it…then get COMBATIVE if we ask too many questions. Most of the time though they’ll bring in their Kool Aid drinking BODYGUARDS as scare tactics.And they talk “NO BULLYING”, uh huh.Practise what you preach.

  • Mark says:

    Too many crybabies at CP…my son works for a contractor working with concrete. If his boss says that they have to work longer hours, he has to work and he never complains. If everyone worked an extra 2 hours of overtime every week ($80.00), that is way more than the 12 or 24 cents extra an hour the Union is fighting for their “brothers” and “sisters”…lazy, lazy people

    • Charlie says:

      I too have a brother that lays bricks, makes 38$ an hrs.
      Loves his job cause his employer treats him right.
      His employer doesnt turn to him, and tell him do an other 10 jobs and I’ll pay you less “flyers pay”.

      If canada post would treat us like humans beings, it would be great, ask us how much we liked our jobs 15years ago.
      Now it’s not the same job, we do lots more work, longer hrs, we start later, finish when it’s dark.

      Forget a letter in your frame, what will they do? Tell you you made a mistake, or will they reprimand you and suspend you without pay?
      The union is partly to blame, they agreed to way to many concessions, the whole rsmc thing, it has a lot more to do with union collecting more dues.

      All this to say, treat us fairly, stop cutting from the bottom, and dont just send us letters thanking us for all our hard work, prove to us that we deserve respect and being well paid.

  • Greg says:

    @Sad place to work – Here’s and RSMC’s comment. Please understand we do not receive an hourly wage. I wouldn’t mind getting paid time & a half and double time & a half for overtime. I won’t have to use my vehicle for deliveries. I will get more benefits. I get to take breaks. I can call in sick on heavy days and not worry about if my route will be delivered as I can book in overtime the next day. These are just a few points, I can list more. As for the 25% wage increase, it will only apply to very few RSMC’s, it depends on activity values. We get flat rate for sorting, delivery, parcels and admail. RSMC’s make between $18.00 to $24.00, depending on the volume of mail, parcels and ad mail does not matter if you take any breaks or how many hours you work. I am ready to work with an hourly wage and benefits under “out” rules.

    • LCiO says:

      I understand RSMC’s have their own ‘Pay Structure’ under the Terms and Conditions of the CUPW-RSMC Collective Agreement with CPC and that it is not the same as the CUPW-Urban Collective Agreement with CPC which is why there is no ‘Pay Equity’ issue because female RSMC’s are being paid the same as male RSMC’s or under the same Pay Structure of your own Collective Agreement. If you think for a minute that you do the same job or work as a Letter Carrier? Well, you might be right, than those jobs should be Urban Jobs?

      • PO5 says:

        I thought a arbitrator…(a independent person or body officially brought in to settle a dispute)..said there was pay equity issue and settled on the side of the RSMC…I have must of heard wrong..Or you are once again spreading your alternative facts…

    • Charlie says:

      You knew what to expect when you applied.
      Should of applied for urban if it’s that bad.

    • Mark says:

      You signed up knowing what the job entailed…

  • Charlie says:

    Now that we get paid for the stat today, 72hrs should be issued at 12 tonight.
    Friday half of canada on strike. Monday the other half.
    Keep rotating, Monday and fridays.

    • Mark says:

      Why is everyone assuming there is going to be a strike or lockout? There wasn’t any in 2016 and the CUPW Kool-Aid drinkers were screaming the same nonsense back then…

  • West coast letter carrier says:

    What bothers me about this whole process is that is shouldn’t even get to this point. Both sides should realize the irreputible damage that even a threat of a strike/lockout does. Every morning when I walk into my office and see the amount of parcels I think of how fortunate we all our that our business is in a very strong position. This is revenue that didn’t even exist years ago. Small depots used to have a couple of msc drivers and they would leave the depot with a truck half full of parcels. Now everyone leaves the depot with a truck full of parcels and other scannable items every single day. I look at the Corporations’s first offer and our counter and there is a deal to be made there. Let’s get this done and gear up for another record holiday season.

  • Sad place to work says:

    Where are our so-called “brothers and sisters” comments……RSMC’s? They are all sitting pretty with their 25% wage increase, this CPUW is an embarrassment to all the hard working urban carriers. RSMC’s Come do a letter carrier job with “our” rules……then you should get our wages!

  • LCiO says:

    You know I’m all for fairness and working out a fair deal for all employees of CPC and personally as a Letter Carrier I believe we (Letter Carriers) should be sitting at $29/hr going into these negotiations (that might have taken away some of the stress) with everything that’s been bestowed on us since PT and yes with the parcel business becoming the ‘Bread and Butter’ and don’t forget NM and right, the Legalization of Cannabis we all collectively deserve a good and fair ‘Raise’ in pay. The apprehension of going on Strike is the measly $200 ‘Strike Pay’? That, as well as, 1.5% is a slap in the face? CUPW should be sitting on a ‘War Chest’ we deserve at least $400/wk (Regardless of how long we’re out) haven’t we sacrificed enough? Going to work everyday and paying $90 dollars a month to CUPW? We deserve respect from both CPC and CUPW? It’s the process and why we are here now at this point? Both sides constantly playing with our ‘Livelihoods’ I’d like to go ‘Wildcat Strike’ and show CPC and CUPW once and for all who does the heavy lifting and how we made the Corp. what it is today through hard work and dedication not by playing games with descent people like the employees of CPC ‘51000 Strong’ reality would come real quick for both sides. But still in saying this, in todays world CPC signs my paychecks and I’ll put 51% of my support behind CPC and 49% behind CUPW because 51% of me feels that we’re at this point now because of CUPW and their 1970’s negotiation tactics?

    • Coffee Girl says:

      @LCiO..
      One of the best comments so far and your comments are well written and thought out anyway.

    • Mark says:

      Are you kinda new to this? When I first started I sounded like you. As I moved up in the ranks of seniority, I saw the total opposite. I hate to burst your bubble…it’s not going to get any better
      First of all…Wildcatting is out…Harper made it illegal. Second…if you’re young enough, go learn a trade, you will be better off in the long run.
      Third..as lettermail is dwindelling rapidly and parcels and pot will become the bread and butter of CP, you can bet it will eventually be privatized…it’s just a matter of time.
      Me…I have probably 4 years left and I am gone

  • Lc says:

    Let’s get this done, and move ourselves and our Company in the right direction. The media has been quite now for awhile now..So let’s awaken them with great news, and gear up for the greatest holiday season, this company and workers will ever had.Lets get this ✅..

    • Mark says:

      It appears that the same strategy is being used right now as back in 2016. Although this Government will not enact legislation to force us back to work, it appears they are telling both sides to go back and negotiate until a deal is done… they’re only quieter about it now. Another big factor is although there are more parcels, legal Pot will begin and this is what helped the Liberals get into power. Combine this with a Federal Election in about 10 months time and many other issues this Government is dropping the ball on there will not be a strike or lockout

  • LCiO says:

    To the ‘Koolaid’ drinkers….the ones that gave CUPW a ‘Strike Mandate’ of course. The employees who are saying ‘accept this offer’ are not necessarily saying this back in February or March (if it wasn’t for the stall tactics of CUPW) by at least having the opportunity to see a contract offer before asking (50% of the membership) the ‘Koolaid’ drinkers for a ‘Strike Mandate’. But in dragging this out until the busy season which doesn’t guarantee you get what you ‘Demand’ because you have big brother behind you (Strike Mandate) to threaten to cripple the Corp. and risk losing customers? The Corp. has the jurisdiction to protect themselves from such a 1970’s bully tactic? At least these employees have the foresight to see the damaging effects of using that ‘Strike Mandate’ – now- and fear for their future employment and the future of the business and future hires and the strength of our ‘Pension’. Look at the new 1/4 of a billion dollar deficit now the Corp. can use as a tool thanks to the non ‘Pay Equity’ issue settlement? All thanks to CUPW. In 2018 when someone can’t be respectful or honest with me I don’t have the time of day for you, neither does the Corp. It’s amazing what you can accomplish when you’re honest and respectful of others.

    • Coffee Girl says:

      @LCiO…Cupw’s Kool aid drinkers don’t know the meaning of Honesty and Respect. These folks( who most weren’t even born in the 70s) still believe the SELECT FEW that are in a time warp..and their Loyal Followers love to spread “THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO CUPW”

    • Postie says:

      Well said LCiO
      Giving CUPW the strike mandate gives them the power to turn down all offers that don’t suit their needs. It’s so unfair that offers are never brought to a vote good or bad we should have a say

      • Coffee Girl says:

        When has CUPW ever been fair? Every offer should be brought to the membership to vote on but wait! That would cost $$$ to do that and it would take away from buying more Kool aid, trips, parties and the list goes on and on.

  • PJTIPPS says:

    @Mark
    Signing bonus is a waste. Why fight for a signing bonus? What 1.5% and an extra $1000 is gonna change your mind about a fair raise? 2.5% every year for four years is way better than any signing bonus CP would offer to coincide with a 1.5% increase. Koolaid, no koolaid. It doesnt matter if youre with CUPW or not. 1.5% is criminal. Your health, safety, work life balance is worth more than 1.5% and some pathetic signing bonus that will just have a huge tax bite wont make that 1.5% any better. CP isnt going anywhere. Fight for what you and your co-workers deserve!

  • Charlie says:

    Canada post problem is the over paid staff outside of cupw.

    Cupw problem is they have lost all concept of what it feels like to do our job.

    Mandatory maximum terms of 8 years for all union reps, 2 terms.
    Cant run for election if your due to retire before contract expires.

    That would solve our Union problems, if they would have to go back to working. Lots would retire.

  • curiosity says:

    If you were given:
    1.5 year one
    $2.00 per hour year 2
    2.0 year three
    2.0 year four
    What are you willing to give up? (for sure not our pension)

    • Lc says:

      A fantastic idea-..Apoc give up there Corporate Team Incentive..(Bonus)..Just like we did..Why them? And Not Us.? Better leadership, guidance..Right..!!

      • Donna says:

        Lol APOC does not get the team incentive either. Get your facts straight. They get an individual bonus based on performance. I do not know one CUPW member that would want their performance measured. So happy to be retired and out of the clutches of CUPW

      • LCiO says:

        Absolutely correct LC23 and Mark the membership has been sold out big time. Most of the ‘Koolaid’ drinkers were calling it ‘blood money’ don’t know why but they just said what CUPW was telling them. Now it’s an issue for the ‘Koolaiders’

        • Coffee Girl says:

          @LCiO…oh now it’s called ” Blood Money” by the Kool Aid drinkers! Really? Well that’s funny because these same people don’t mind taking “Blood Money” every two weeks on payday. Or any “Blood Money” for all their petty grievances…

          • Mark says:

            Definition of Blood Money – Money obtained at the cost of another person’s life.

            I don’t recall hearing anyone getting killed over a 1.5 percent increase in wage…will this union ever stop their non-sensical propaganda machine?

          • Mark says:

            My point was after that signing bonus back in 2016 which also included if I remember and correct me if I’m wrong…2.0% for the first 2 years and 1.5% for the remaining 3 years and union refused it and we ended up signing a much worse contract

      • LC23 says:

        Our union gave up the bonus because they don’t get a piece of it. They can’t get additional dues from a bonus. That’s also why our union NEVER asks for a signing bonus. It’s the sad truth

      • Coffee Girl says:

        Oh yes…I agree…Corporate Incentives given to inadequate supervisors, plant managers, district managers…they hire any Joe Blow with no postal experience or any experience whatsoever…then think us long term employees are going to take orders that don’t make sense? We the employees know our jobs better than anyone.However if you’re looking for things making sense,you won’t find it there.CPC & CUPW

  • LCiO says:

    The solution is not to drink the CUPW ‘koolaid’ ? That would be the ‘problem’.

  • Doug says:

    STRIKE! STRIKE! STRIKE! What are we waiting for?

  • Jamie says:

    Really???? People want a better living and that’s the offer you give.

  • cj says:

    Wages seen to Be the sticking point…hows This..yr1- 1.5% yr2-2%..yr3-2.5%..yr4-3% …the year Is almost over anyways..now what are we giving up? For starters the pré retirement week for new hires…second thing,everyone Gets 75% of the points for the yearly uniform allowance that would Save some dough and its a Win for both sides…new hires go on the defined contribution plan..that way no union selling out as they are not even current employées anyways!

    • PO5 says:

      cj….Here is the thing about about doing away with new hires pre-retirement….their 7th week of annual….changing their pension..ect. ect……CPC will have furthered their goal of a tiered employee structure….And having dealt with one group…Will be coming for the 10..15…20yr employee’s the next contract….And do you think the newer employees will want to walk the line….To save benefits for those the choose to throw them under a bus..I don’t think so…

      • cj says:

        PO5 …points well taken, but we do need to fight for CURRENT employees, and let people make up their own minds if they want to take a position with the company…I do agree that a two tier system is not what anyone wants, but in a lot of companies, there is a wage increase per year,until the maximum is achieved…. as for the pension plan issue, I am not convinced that it will be there for current employees, and it will be a sticking point in contracts of the future…still do not know why if we choose to leave the company after age 50, why we cannot cash out our pension …we should be able to access our funds at any time….happy thanksgiving

      • Postie says:

        Hey PO5. We have been fighting for the RSMC’s for the last 3 contracts. RSMC’s are 5% of the workforce CUPW controls the strike votes. That’s why 95% of us continue to get screwed every contract. Our union wants RSMC’s to pay the same union dues as the rest of us $$$

    • Postie says:

      If our union asked for 2 maybe 2.5% per year I’m sure the company would agree
      LETS GET IT DONE
      STIKE HURTS US ALL !!!

  • Heather says:

    Studies, pilots, another appendix(they always ignore), if it’s complex… it’s a red flag people!
    Amend language to say WILL not may or yearly update. They never actually update shit!
    To maintain the language that we already negotiated is not considered a win…. its expected.
    A win is concrete absolute improvements in our working conditions.
    Start with a REAL increase in our hourly wage. Just because they have been ordered to pay RSMCs Is not our problem, we need to see the money
    This is a status quo offer with the less than adequate 1.5% increase. It’s ridiculous that we waited this long for a status quo offer. 3% is what we want sure. By the way Canada Post, you owe us back wages for that so-called bonus you reneged on! Remember that… You never gave us any wage increase the year you’re forced that on us.
    Time’s up give us a decent wage increase I would have your millions and millions of profit, yeah we don’t buy the BS that your losing money, never did.

  • Paul F - Calgary says:

    Folks, 1.5% per year is about $850 gross income increase per year if you work 40 hours per week. I doubt that is keeping up with inflation, let alone recognition of added value of our skills and the 2 most important considerations: we are in harms way daily & we face the customers daily, much more than any senior executive or high paid sales rep at CPC does.
    I thought of applying for the CEO role and my first task would be to align all employees with our profitability and customer satisfaction metrics and we would all have skin in the game. My second task would be to address the home delivery-CMB issues across Canada. All employees would have positive input and action teams would ensure performance increases are recognized. Skills would be applied to jobs again for performance and job satisfaction without the nonsense of seniority. And so much more. I have the expertise to do, this with the right motivated people.

  • Mark says:

    Yep CityPanic News spoke about the negotiations and who was the focus on? RSMCs…not one word about Urban…

  • George says:

    @cupwneedstogo
    New Twitter account, go voice your opinion about our union.
    So everyone can see.

    • LCiO says:

      Yes, good man!

    • Heather says:

      Don’t be stupid

    • Tracey says:

      Offer the RSMC’s what the urban workers make or better yet, get rid of the RSMC classification altogether and make us all letter carriers. RSMC’s do the same job for less pay, no overtime and longer days. Plus, ALL ad mail goes out the day they get it.. not 3 days like urbans have to get it done. Too much unfairness for RSMC’s. Pay equality is first and foremost.

      • LCiO says:

        You have your own Collective Agreement and pay structure, stop leaning on the Urban side to get you everything we already fought for, there is no Pay Equity issue? I can’t believe they (CUPW) got that ‘Decision’ (Thanks mainly in part of the Urban CollectiveAgreement) but at what cost to us? I gave up (involuntarily) 12 weeks of severance pay for RSMC’s to be represented by a Union I don’t want to be represented by, but I’m forced to. What about the male RSMC’s? Where do they fall in all of this? Are you not making as much as they are under the Terms and Conditions of your own Collective Agreement? No one in Canada does the job a Letter Carrier does, unless you strap on the ol’feedbag and deliver the mail. You signed up for your Job, It’s time to cut the Cord.

  • Jo Ann says:

    I think we need to strike but if nothing solid comes out after a strike then it would be a waste. I am trying to understand what is really happening during all of the negotiation meetings between the national board and canada post. Sometimes, I think what canada post says goes. I actually feel stressed about all this. I still have to find a way to hope we all get some kind of balance whether we strike or not. Thank you, if you read this.

  • Scott says:

    I have always been about letting the workers have a say by being allowed to vote on every meaningful offer. I am neither pro union or pro management, I am pro customer. However, I did pay attention to the contracts signed by APOC and PSAC and they were offered much more. Enough is enough we have not had a decent raise in 7 years. Our letter carrier (delivery agent) compliment has been cut in half. I have had to learn to be a TETRUS genius just to fit my letter mail, flyers, pubs and adds and 120 scannables into my Transit every day. More than 27 years into this and I work harder today than I ever have and oh yeah make much less on flyers (rough estimate -$1500 a year less) than I did before the changes. Ms. Mcdonald if you are reading this your words ring hollow without actions. If we are as valuable as you say we are then pay us accordingly. After all, it is our daily toil that is driving the profits in the last few years!

  • bob says:

    The News said Canada post employees rejected the offer
    We didn’t get a vote on it

  • Steve says:

    Change the offer to 2% per year and lets get on with it.

  • C'mon Man ! says:

    I have seen this movie before,sadly too many times.Our new leader should understand,there are many of us that are so close to retirement . We have built this company with great pride,delivered every piece of mail everyday,in some pretty horrific conditions at times! With a smile , learning names of customers I can call my friends , Looking out for people ,I have saved 2 lives in my career so far…Most of us know , and are grateful for what C P has given us.. My house , a car or 2 and kids to fill it.But in the last decade or so, we have been trashed to put it mildly .Please let me end my career with a smile…..2% a year ,4 years ….

  • Md moynul Islam Imran says:

    Please provide us something still bored

  • Frank says:

    Every letter carrier take a minute look at your pay stub for Jan 2011.
    Compare it to Jan 2018

    Mine is 46$ LESS
    In those 8 years of working, and my body breaking down, I lost 46$

    Then tell me it’s not time to strike.

  • B says:

    Many companies get an offer of 3-4% while we get an increase of 1.5%????! Also how come UPS purolator ttc get maximum rate after 2 years while new hires have to wait 7 years?

    Why did we get a pay cut in flyer money and less time to deliver flyers? My sachel weighs well over 35 lbs prob around 60 pounds with the flyers. I see people replacing knee caps injuring shoulders and moving to the plant because it’s to harsh on their bodies.

    This new agreement is laughable.

  • Stop the bs says:

    It’s abour time cupw starts fighting for the majority of its members. The urban keeps on losing while the rsmc gains ever since they negotiated them into the union so we would lose our severance pay. It’s got stop now. Cupw only cares how much money they can collect that’s the only reason why we will never see a signing bonus n why they are fighting for the rsmc

  • Hope and a prayer says:

    I’m sick and tried of Rural route this and that as a letter carrier which took a huge pay cut in flyer money. The union has to think about us period. Join the two groups together already so I can bid on there routes. The ones in the city for sure. Let them walk around like I did for 22 years. Ha ha not gonna happen. CUPW has to let us vote. Or the public should be told that we the worker have no rights. The union is forcing everybody to there way or no way. They should let us vote. Stop with the feet to the fire method. Nobody ever wins , when work stops. Let’s go sign already Christmas is close and I need my paycheque.

  • Franco Enea says:

    Show your letter carriers, especially good old fashioned foot walks some love. We are the ones who struggle the most. Rain, sleet and heat!!!! We are the ones helping and communicating with customers. For the first time in the 24 years I’ve been here, I’m starting to feel CPC is beginning to care but you need to give us a decent raise too. I’ve seen too many rollbacks. NO MORE ROLLBACKS!!!!

  • LC 23 says:

    LET US VOTE ON THE OFFER
    ask for 2% per year and bring it to a vote
    You can’t keep asking your members to accept a work stoppage every contract while our union execs get full wage

  • Want to work says:

    Are you people out to lunch… if we lose our parcels what will we have left. if we are not there for our customers to deliver their product they will find other companies. Do you really want to have all of us who work for CPC fighting for a job at Tims or Mcdonalds (who don’t give 40 hours a week). Can’t even get a job at retail because everyone is going to self serve tills.. There is enough people out of work, do you really want to join them?

    • Steve says:

      Will never loose parcels. They will all come back to Canada Post because we are more efficient and much less money. Who’s got you believing all this talk. This is naive thinking

  • The Hammer Bob the biulder says:

    negotiations and now meditation amazingly
    for some reasons there’s a lot to agree to disagree.
    that both side contine to but heads.
    as a veteran .this isnt fare at all 30 years $15
    an hour new hires today 19 some dollars
    $ 4 dollars more then 30 years later and cost of living just all around in food homes gas every day living doesnt cut it in todays market.sick day for outside worker taken away.house holder larger parcels working condition poor . later evenings working .unsafe conditions .is this job rely worth your health. sick day 9 taken away last contract were going backwards. larger and unsafe conditions they need to take look do whats right to keep product moving keep employees happy in a day to day environment.

  • The Postman says:

    Is it not entirely possible that this RSMC stuff is what’s keeping the urban from getting a decent offer? CPC is having to shell out more than a quarter of a BILLION dollars to pay them off. Doesn’t leave a lot left over for us. Also, making it a pay equity issue is garbage; half of the RSMCs in our office are male and I’m pretty sure they all (female or male) agreed to contracts with CPC. That’s how that works. It might also be nice if CUPW allowed us the right to actually on our contract offers. Maybe that’s how a democratic union should work.

  • T dhondup says:

    Keep selling us out CUPW

  • Mark says:

    Globe and Mail just released a statement from the union about a half hour ago…again fighting for the RSMCS right to the end…no mention of urbsn…yep…they really, really care about you…

  • Mark says:

    If history is an indicator like in 2016 with our PM, there will not be a strike or lockout. I saw the same amount of complaints on this thread in 2016 (Strike, solidarity and the rest of the nonsense) and in the end, we ended up with a worse contract. Trudeau is not doing so well now (Pipeline fiasco, NAFTA, Tori Stafford fiasco, Liberals huge defeat in Quebec, federal election next year), does one actually think he needs a strike or lockout now? Put your emotions aside and use your head and see where the union took you fighting 100 percent for the RMSCs and some of their demands that should not have been in negotiations…

  • Charlie says:

    Slap in the face, thankyou for your hard work, but you dont deserve more money.
    Cut from the top.
    I lost more money from flyers, then that 1.5% raise would cover.
    I guess thankyou to Union for that, it was their idea of taking less money for flyers for values. Did that ever backfire.
    No new routes created, and we all took a pay cut.
    Lost severance
    Lost sick days
    Pay cut.
    But Thankyou for your hard work.

    • Sven says:

      You may wanna check the unions long term goals on flyers!

      • hope and a prayer says:

        yeah , did that. work slower and do a third of your flyers daily. collate them after your shift for overtime… sorry cant do that have a life… CUPW all about RSMC URBAN WE ARE UNDER THE BUS shame shame

    • Gail says:

      I totally agree there so just me speaking here lets not cut off our feet here in this deal . I saw we accept this or we end up loosing again like we always do. I work for Canada Post and still wonder why the high union dues makes no sense to me and for what for the Union President to get greedy well I am feared of a lock out coming here . I wish that we had could as paying members vote on this contract as we pay enough union dues then maybe we may see that no all union members agree with striking here just me saying and I have been here for yrs and everytime we loose a littly bit more so I say we accept it

  • Mark says:

    Does the Union present a final offer now?

  • Todd says:

    Wage increase a joke!! We lost that amount last contract with the decrease in house holder amounts!! If corporation needs to save money its time to cut management, (5 supr’s in depot to count flyers and answer a phone). Time to strike now!!!!

  • Tech Guy says:

    I”m sorry to say it but these negotiations have been all about RSMC’s, they get an 25% increase we get 1.5%.
    I have been with CPC 29 years and I have never seen such a wage increase ever. I want 25% as well.
    In reality the pot is dry now that CPC has to give RSMC’s many $$$$, we are lucky I guess to get 1.5%

    • John says:

      When has CUPW ever had your interests first?

    • Coffee Girl says:

      And CUPW will come back and say” Look what we got for The RSMCS” because that was the No.1 ISSUE they went in with…Anyway not the RSMCS fault… Congratulations to them.As for the rest of us…Since CUPW can’t afford to pay “STRIKE PAY” I wonder if they’ll weasel out of this if we get “LOCKED OUT’ because in 2011…I never got $ 200/week

  • PJTIPPS says:

    Trudeaus nanny makes more per hour than I do for heavens sakes, and Ive worked here for almost five years. Match inflation at the very least then we can talk about the wacked out triple tier pay scales. PAY EQUITY REMEMBER. Maybe a Christmas strike will wake up the new CEO. Why does my office have 5 Supervisors sitting around arguing about whose turn it is to count the householders….Im sure 3 , heck 2 could do that. Top heavy ovepaid Corporation.

  • Bob coleman says:

    This is a joke. Urban employees get zippo and RSMC GET IT ALL. Complete joke. Maybe the union should fight for the urban side to as we pay union dues as well or just let the RSMCS pay all the dues. 1.5 percent is a joke. Cost of living is way more. The RSMCS drive their routes and signed up on ghat basis. I don’t see their body’s getting destroyed by walking 20 km per day loaded up. Give me a break. This union is a crock. I wish I could withdraw my union dues and that would give me a better increase to my pay. This union needs to stand up for urban employees as they are the bulk of the employees. Last contract we got hosed. Where did all our flyer money go? Where did all our sick days go? Where did the bonuses go? And the list goes on. Fight for something that matters.

    • David Bonenfant says:

      I haven’t been at Canada Post as long as some of the veterans here and already I couldn’t agree more with you it’s an insulting offer. Who cares how hard you work just so long as your supervisor can keep cost down so they can still get a bonus.

  • Frank says:

    I want a strike and I will not come back until we actually get something that makes us happy … Now they made it very personal and insulting they are going to get 20-30 thousand more parcels a week by pot alone and we get what out of it a slap in the face … STRIKE ……I will not return until we get what we want I’m fed up it’s been years this has been going on enough is enough it’s time for a change …. this just pissed me off what an embarrassment of a company …. this offer should trigger an automatic strike disgrace

    • Coffee Girl says:

      What are you going to do Frank? Quit if the Union caves and takes the offer? Because they already got for the RSMCS so 3/4s of the fight is over… Finished.Good luck at the Unemployment Office…McD’s and Tim’s hire all the time

      • Frank says:

        First I don’t hide my name coffee girl I actually believe in what I’m saying and 2nd I’m guessing your new here but the union can’t accept crap without us voting on it…. we only voted to give them the right to strike not ans for us so learn more about your union and company and then make an educated comment ….. P.S i could get a job anywhere I want the only reason I stay here is because I actually put in 16 years and made friends along the way and actually believe in my union and I use to believe in my company … if your not part of the solution you are part of the problem…

        • Coffee Girl says:

          Well Frank…I came in 1981..
          Leaving next year so let’s see 20 years on you…I think I’ve seen it all…done it all…Actually if you’ve read my other posts…I’m done with both sides…I feel they should have taken care of us months ago…The problem is neither side wants to lose and we the employees suffer.

  • Charlie says:

    We see offer, or some of it on the canada post site, but nothing posted on cupw.
    That’s a joke.
    Same as this company.
    I hope we lose all the parcels, maybe we can go down to the values we actually get paid to deliver

  • Lc says:

    Like Really..?? We carry this company on our backs and shoulders and you still give us 1.5%. Apoc receives 1.9, 1.8 for three years..this is a disgrace..Cpc could have come up with more..

  • PO5 says:

    In some ways this is worst then the 1st offer…The raise is a total insult to the hard working people at CPC…Nothing gained here…Well CUPW says they will sit down and talk with CPC before pulling the pin….I wonder what city will be the first to go out…

  • Doug says:

    This second offer from CP is an insult and should trigger an immediate (72 hours) STRIKE. The offer slaps full-time people in the face and tells us they want to screw us further with cheaper temp labor. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! STRIKE!

  • GURPREET RANDHAWA says:

    Absolutely ridiculous…CpC excutives dont understand inflation ….numbers…..how come its wage increase of every year of contract year of 1.5%…..when inflation numbers in canada are above…2% per year….either they think employees are stupid …..

  • Franco says:

    This actually hurts Canada post I put 16 years in this company and that’s what I get a slap in the face … Why don’t you cut back on your management and their bonus and give us the money the actual workers… You don’t need 3 managers and 3 superintendents and a bunch of supervisors …. Strike all the way if that’s your offer keep it and stick it where the sun don’t shine … people working from 2013 and up are getting a lot less an hour and doing the same job what a joke CP ….. well bye bye Trudeau I voted for you not anymore…..no wonder why the liberals won’t win anymore people are fed up of the B.S you rather pay immigrants that come from other countries then your own people that actually work hard ….no offence to those immigrants it’s not their fault it’s just pisses people off that we aren’t treated fairly like just pushed aside like we are worth nothing … we do all the work and CP basically are laughing at us …. Like I really don’t feel like working after receiving this offer let’s go on strike I lost all faith in CP I’ll never deliver nothing by you with your scrap offer it’s been 10 years I haven’t gotten a real raise so if I get nothing now your getting zero and zero from my pocket …

  • David Holub says:

    Regarding pay scale for temporary workers beginning January 1, 2019. There is a group of temporary employees who were hired at a reduced pay and 4 years later are now fulltime employees (delivery agents) and are still being paid $19.86/hr. How are we going to get paid the same hourly pay as fulltime letter carrierfor doing exactly the same job?

    Please explain and give details.

  • PO4 says:

    I say take it and let’s get back to work…CUPE screwed us on the last 2 contracts…no more…no 3 chances

    • Doug says:

      Take it and get back to work? Really? I bet when you shop for groceries, like most of us you look for sales. Sales are nice – you save a couple of bucks now and then. Well, CPC is offering you the same crappy wage increases from the first offer, less a couple of extreme rollbacks that were never really in play. You look for sales,…but you ignore the greedy corporation that is attempting to reduce the amount of money you have to buy crap with. We deserve as much of a raise as management. PERIOD!

    • Franco says:

      if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem … you know nothing you blame cupw but really it is people like you that let others take you for granted and push you aside like you don’t matter you do matter you are the one working making them their money and bonus they put in their pockets every year

    • PO5 says:

      LOL Every contract offer CPC has offered to Cupw over the last 12yrs you say take…No negotiation..just accepted it..At least you are consistent,but very transparent…

      • PO4 says:

        You’re full of it because in 2016 I was a Letter Carrier…you love downgrading people just to build yourself up…”Look everybody, I have RDO today and you guys nothing”…give it a rest

      • PO4 says:

        Really? From the one that brags how much OT he makes everyday while everyone else is stressed because of the situation we are in right now…I didn’t know that you kept track of my alleged responses on here from 2011 and 2016…take a look at your statement and really see how moronic you sound…tell it to someone who cares..

  • M says:

    What about the two tier pay system? Talk about pay equity?? New hires after 2013 is making significantly less than people hired prior to 2013. No pay equity at all!

  • I want out! says:

    I cant believe after all this time this is what CP comes out with. Basically they took a couple of their rollbacks off the table and counter offered. We are loosing customers! This is our busiest time of year.Meet in the middle somewhere 2 or 2.5 percent. (Inflation is almost 3 percent) put it to a vote and most reasonable employees will say yes. Let us get on with our lives. This is such an archaic system. They just spent the whole weekend coming up with this unbelievable!

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