New terms and conditions of employment in effect

2018/10/22

While we remain at the bargaining table, ready to negotiate, the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) today began strike action. As a result, Canada Post will follow the process in the Canada Labour Code to change the terms and conditions of your employment.

Read a letter from Interim Chief Human Resources Officer Ann Therese MacEachern about this.

Read the details of the new terms and conditions of employment for employees represented by CUPW-Urban.

We will continue to keep you informed of developments through your team leaders and the Negotiations Hub online. You can also see updates by visiting canadapost.ca and clicking on “I’m an employee.”

1,139 comments

  • Justanothernumber says:

    READ THE DETAILED OFFER!! IT IS POSTED ON THIS SITE….
    Honestly, for everyone confused and asking the union to post the offer, share details… just click on the damn link here that management has posted.
    FIVE, 5, FIVE full pages of exactly what is being offered.
    OMG, how blind we are if we can’t even see this in front of us. Stop posting stupid assumptions and rumours until you have read the offer. Then make your opinions. Maybe then they might make sense. Frustrated by people here.

  • Furious1 says:

    “Tired” yes you are correct! CUPW will mess this up…. this is the only and final counter! After this everything is lost! Which is what CUPW strives to do for us everytime! Don’t get excited thinking we will have a chance to vote on it! They will bypass us and reject the offer without consent! They will counter with CPC detailing a new even more unrealistic list of demands that they made….. not the membership and will put the company in worse circumstances and will also financially devastate the workers lives financially…. guaranteed! We are dealing with idiots representing us with no intelligence and brains the size of peanuts. Prepare for what’s next! Guaranteed CUPW will retaliate on this offer. So much for Christmas! I’m sure these idiots will enjoy their Christmas dinner on Christmas Day with their family and not a care in the world.

    Mark my words! This is far from over! By tomorrow you will know that fate as you will find out CUPW rejected the offer!

    They have proven how absolutely stupid and idiotic they are! This offer will be tossed bybthem without allowing us to vote or anything! They have control! They decide! I guarantee they will destroy this offer!

    Idiots!!!!! And if they do that should provide enough fire to wake us all up and organize decertification of CUPW rapidly!

    The struggle continues…..with CUPW

  • Matt says:

    $28.79 end of three years plus $.53 a hour retro pay (based on $26.60 per hour)plus signing bonus , plus plus plus. Where do l sign. Let’s get this done. TIME to vote!!!

  • Chris says:

    Make it 2.25 atleast and Yes

    • Take the offer says:

      Chris, I believe this is the one and only final offer. After this we continue to rotate strikes and loose $200 a day until the government orders us to stop and gives us less than this offer. Making it at least 2.25% instead of 2% is only the difference of .07 cents an hour. Based on us being paid for 2080 hours per year that works out to an extra $145.60 per year over the offer. Really.

    • Equal 2.25% says:

      It comes with signed bonus $1000.- equal to 2.25%

  • post mortem says:

    Hey Mikey and Friends, don’t get greedy and blow this like 2011. TAKE THE DAMN OFFER!

  • Tired says:

    What do you mean 2% for each of the four years. Last week I heard it was 2.5, 2.5, 2.4, 2.4. Are we getting screwed again? Remember, last time we were offered a signing bonus too and our union rejected it and we ended up with a worse contract. Maybe if our union would tell us what the previous CPC offers were we would know if this was a good one.

  • No Choice says:

    Although the offer was not good enough wage increase from 1.5 up 0.5 to 2%. The big holiday shopping season coming. I don’t wanna our continue strike action hurt our business. So I have no choice to vote YES for these new offer.

  • gsf says:

    By giving new offer (right after my comments!), Canada Post has realised that previous offer was not THE SIGNIFICANT one. Definitely better than before, we now have to see what’s in the new offer for our safety and other issues though.

  • Furious1 says:

    CUPW gets new offers from CPC for both Urban Operations and RSMC bargaining units. Now let us…. the workers to whom the offers are directed at….. have our say and allow us to vote on the offers as a democratic choice to choose!

    If we don’t have the option to vote then what’s the point? It should be our right to vote on counter offers presented. Taking that right away is not right! Stand back CUPW and stop destroying peoples lives! For once listen to the wishes and demands of the employees you represent…..taking that away from us is almost criminal! We should have the right to vote on these new offers from CPC! Taking that away from us would truly show your true colors and that you don’t represent the best interests of the employees.

  • Tired of this B/S says:

    WHAT do you expect from CPC management and CUPW, when they say they are negotiating on YOUR behalf? They do NOT NEGOTIATE, they DEMAND!!!
    This has been going on ever since I started working for CPC some 30 yrs ago. Both sides seems to have the MENTALITY that they have to demand what is ridiculous and nonnegotiable terms! Than wait for the Government in Power to step in and force us back to work. Both sides need to get their mentality changed that we need to work together for everyone’s benefit.
    Some of you have said that Teamsters Union is better? Check their history, have made companies close down and workers unemployed!

  • MAM11C2 says:

    Nee offer looks great won’t get any better . .take it now be for all is lost.

  • C'mon Man ! says:

    It appears CPC ,aka,Scrooge, has seen the third ghost.Breaking news on CTV newsnet,4 year deal 2% a year plus signing bonus,health and safety upgrades….We better get a vote on this one,the best offer I’ve seen in35 years!

  • Together Now says:

    Together We will win. New offer just present by CPC to both bargain unit.

  • gsf says:

    Canada Post constantly saying, to the media, that ‘we offered SIGNIFICANT wages and benefits to the CUPW but they refused to accept. I am wondering if 1.5% is a SIGNIFICANT increase?

  • KSS says:

    CPC & CUPW both parties damaging Canada Post. They negotiated for a year in 2015-16 & finally got a 2 years extension. In 2017-18 again they negotiated for whole year with mediator, conciliator, with SPECIAL MEDIATOR (extended twice). Still didn’t accomplish anything. Employees, Customers & Public are suffering from all of this. Media already started talking about privation of Canada Post. We are losing customers and if they found other competitors they might never come back, like previous negotiations. This is our busiest quarter, but we have mail like summer months in our plant. If this situation continues, soon they will force us to go home without pay. I don’t see any ACCOUNTABILITY in both parties (2 years of negotiations & nothing accomplished). CPC said they won’t lock us out (they don’t care who or what are we losing). CUPW wants rotating strike, because they do not want to pay us any money (does CUPW have any money?). Look their times to walkout & keeping their members in suspense (is CUPW treating their members fairly & equally?). Who’s paying the price here (Employees & Customers)? If CUPW care about safety issues like Multiple Bundles, then go back to CMB. Not every employee is in same physical condition (walk and carry same size of load). Also every day we do not have exactly same number of pieces of mail (weather also play different role one day to next day). Overtime ban! Why CPC will pay us double time $53.20, when they can call casuals for $19.86? PLEASE GO FOR ARBITRATION & SAVE CANADA POST!

  • Mortified says:

    To all you cupw haters: you are my inspiration. I know this union cannot feel shame but they should. Look at the contempt for the Toronto area.

  • dazed and confused says:

    Since this unioun cannot see the forest from the trees, this game will eventually end in front of an arbitrator, and with a disappointing 4th quarter on the books, you will have served up a homerun for the company and sadly for us struckout again.

  • Flash says:

    CUPW just did great in an arbitration decision for the RSMC s. Got them around 250 million in gains
    Why move on this round. They will hold their ground
    Get legislated back and have another go at binding arbitration. If CPC uses the same legal team that argued the RSMC file We should do great
    And so far a month of strikes has only cost me a couple days pay. Pretty good strategy
    Let the Dice roll at arbitration
    Maybe we’ll get lucky too. I’m all in

  • Screwed again says:

    This is frustrating. Went to work this morning for my 7:00 am start time to find out that we were still on strike. It started at 6:00 am Tuesday. Checked CUPW website. It showed that our local was still on strike. Apparently our picket lines came down at 10:00 am. It was a 28 hour rotating strike. However, if you weren’t on the picket line you wouldn’t know that you were supposed to be at work. CUPW is trying to screw any employee, like me, who doesn’t picket. Thanks CUPW.

  • Coffee Girl says:

    Here’s an idea for all you “CUPW GROUPIES”…Why don’t you stand out and do your own strike that you seem to want so badly? The writing is on the wall ..Christmas is coming and the government is going to interfere any day now. Again the same old song and dance.This should have been resolved at the latest March 2018.

    • LC23 says:

      Maybe the company will get what they want. These rotating strikes will run the company into the ground and CPC can cut the workforce in half. What will our great union leaders do then with only half the Union dues coming in??? The Party’s over CUPW. You will ruin it for all of us.

  • Not Health and Safety says:

    I cannot believe the amount of people who have truly bought on to the term “Health and Safety issue”, yes the amount of flyers and small packets are a pain and the two bundle method is stupid, however if it was really a health and safety issue we would have this once again in front of an arbitrator and would have won. If you recall he did rule in our favour however the company reworked the process and he approved it. So stop calling it a health and safety issue. It sucks and we all know it and it would be nice to have it improved but it is not a HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE. All companies have a right to put in processes and procedures for moving their products. If this does not work for me I can take my education and skills and go elsewhere, oh I forgot I only have grade 12 education and the only skills I have are delivering items that are marked where they are supposed to go. Gee better stay here since those skills wont likely get me more than minimum wage.

    • LCiO says:

      @NotHealthandSafety………Lolololol….another good skill is being honest with yourself (and others)? And accepting your place on this earth? It’s a big place? CPC and it’s employees would be better served without CRAPW.

  • Ann says:

    Just drove by Gateway, the largest parcel plant that processes two thirds of the country’s parcels. 25 people total on the picket line. Where are the 10,000 that joined the picket lines yesterday. By the way, does anyone know if the grievance seminar at the Niagara Falls Casino is still on? Maybe that’s where the 10,000 people are.

    • Doug says:

      And how many people were inside working? Oh, that’s right – zero, because they are all on strike. Whether everyone shows up on the line or not is irrelevant so long as no on on their strike is working. When we finally go out next week – ALL OF US! – you will notice a few more people on the picket line(s).

      • Food for thought says:

        @ Doug… The only way we will be all out is if there’s a lockout by cpc. You know as well as the rest of us do, that cupw does not want to and will not pay out any strike pay; they like their subsidised jaunts to tropical locations too much the waste funds on poor saps like you and the rest us. Since attempts at eradicating this parasite in the past have failed, maybe the general membership should look into having their dues deferred to a registered charity , I believe that is a legal choice we have.

      • Mark says:

        @Doug…oh is that what your CUPW Crystal Ball says?…let me get ready for that….

    • Coffee Girl says:

      @ Ann.Lol! Too funny! However it’s a SHAME AND A SHAM for the people who have to work every day just to make ends meet and feed their families.

    • veteran says:

      @Ann. There were another 25 (out of about 2000) at SCLPP this morning. They too left for the casino to attend the seminar.

  • Let's do it says:

    let’s email to complaint the bulling from CPC. CPC never care our health issue

  • The End says:

    Like so many others, I emailed the PM, the Labour Minister and the Minister responsible for Canada Post last week to beg them to put a stop to this insanity before our union drives our company and our livelihoods into the ground. I also mentioned the illegal bullying tactics, falsehoods and poisonous work environment they have created.
    For reference, their emails are:
    Justin.Trudeau@parl.gc.ca
    Patty.Hajdu@hrsdc-rhdcc.gc.ca
    Carla.Qualtrough@parl.gc.ca

    • LCiO says:

      @TheEnd…..great some of the posters have done so as well. That’s all we can do to bring attention to this ‘Clown Posse’ representing 50 000 Federal Level Employees?

  • dazed and confused says:

    Health and safety are issues that should of been decided in February or march to have them linger this far, shows total incompetence on behalf of our unioun. What did they talk about for 9 months. Why different starting times across the country is inexcusable all walks should start no later than 730, so as to finish in daylight, the unioun was asleep when changes were made. If they really cared for our safety they would fight for all cmb mobile routes, but that would cost them dues.

    • LCiO says:

      @dazedandconfused……these are also all issues that CPC purposed in their last offer? When it comes to health and safety, an employee has to assume some accountability and responsibility for themselves? What’s CPC to do? Bring in robots to do the job? And how about? Because I hear a lot of koolaiders say they don’t trust CPC to restructure routes properly, why are there not any Union Reps(Elected Reps) not just Shop Reps, to oversee a Restructure? Because if I recall after PT went Live most Candidates running for a Local Union Position used the ‘Merits’ of completing a Route Restructuring Training course in their Campaign? Where are they? Why isn’t there 3 or 4 Union Pros there to oversee the process like the Corporation has?

    • Free speech says:

      Well said Doug

    • Doug says:

      And what have you done to stand up for your safety rights? You have the right to refuse dangerous work (its the law), you gave the right to file grievances, and to voice complaints. Stop waiting for some magical angel to swoop down and make your working conditions perfect – YOU, AND I, ARE THE UNION!!!

      • No time to heal-strap an aspirin to it says:

        Doug you are terribly wrong.
        I wish that WAS the case. Pointed out hazards to health and safety and they came back tried to “negotiate” with me about HAZZARDS on my route. My own UNION! Don’t ask if you don’t want to REALLY fix the problems.
        Right to refuse=lack of REAL concern to me about our Health & Safety.

        Some of these Union (and I use this term loosely) “Stewart’s” are in the union and on committees because of the lousy working conditions and hard work they would otherwise be doing if they weren’t under the guise of being on a special project for Health & Safety Committees.

        • Doug says:

          And what, exactly, were the hazards they tried to “negotiate” with you? Sounds like they made an attempt to alleviate your safety concerns but it was not your satisfaction. Just remember that with no union failing you taking direct actions yourself (and likely being fired) no one would have even listened to your safety concerns.

      • Free speech says:

        Well said Doug

    • Simplecpcguy says:

      @dazedandconfused I am in agreeance with you 1000 %. Very well put. That’s exactly what I mean and feel.

  • Email to support our key issue says:

    I just email to all parl. member to support our union. I explain all of us are support our union key issue. CPC need back to the table to make a agreement with our union.

  • begonecupw says:

    To the brotherhood and sisterhood of canada post employees ( please note the omission of brothers and sisters as used by our tyrannical union cupw ) . I encourage all of you that are working to work the OT if given . Its such crime and shame on our union leadership to intimidate and issue threats against its membership . We employ cupw, not vice-versa. If you are concerned with loss of seniority or being fined, i suggest you contact Labour canada and there affiliate , the CIRB ( Canadian Industrial Relations Board ) as i did . Know your rights and become educated . Despite what the cupw clowns are threatening you with , They can’t touch your seniority. If they try to fine you, let them and don’t pay. There fines are called non – enforceable and let them take you to court.A judge will not favour the union when you say you have a family to feed and a mortgage to pay. In fact , there was a benchmark case that favoured the employee over the union. Don’t follow those who are blind. Let your voice be heard and your actions be seen . Work overtime to show the union your are in dis-approval of there agenda . An agenda that is self serving , arrogant , and has no care for the membership . cupw is taking care of number one and so should you. I don’t think cupw is going to pay for your mortgage and put food on your table. In fact they are doing everything possible to keep you from rightfully taking there money. To all of you that have sacrificed OT for this union, or at least from the threats of this union, take a moment to do the math. You have lost OT pay, plus all the days of ” strike time ” . You have lost, even with a contract that gives you 3% for each year of a 4 year deal. The blame is squarely on this union . They ask you to sacrifice, but don’t act in kind with appropriate reciprocity . Think of this as well….on the cupw website, they are flapping there gums about Palestine, and can’t even issue a statement on Remembrance Day thanking our veterans . GOD BLESS OUR MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE SACRIFICED FOR OUR WELL BEING AND FREEDOM . cupw’s negligence towards our own veterans shows just how much class they have..absolutely ZERO . I wish all the best for my colleagues in this time and thank-you for taking time to read this note. God Bless

  • Under Pay says:

    At my depot, everyone say that we should get $35/hour for walk. We will support union to get $35/hour for walk outdoor. Indoorpol You are over paid.

    • sore feet says:

      We are reason you work outside!!!..we prepare your work for you!!!!….you sort a bit..then deliver. We do most of the processing for you……we get $36.00 per hr!!..LOL.

      • Simplecpcguy says:

        @sorefeet. I worked in the plant for 14 years and there is no comparison to delivery. It’s like night and day. Try carrying and average of 9 sets of flyers, 50 packets, letter mail, oversize and walk an average of 25km per day. NO COMPARISON AT ALL

        • Harm no one says:

          I do know some of the work outside is not easy….But some inside don’t sit all day…Try doing loose load after loose load of ebay,wal mart,ect(many close to 50lbs) then throw in a few hours of brick pile to end the day….Hot outside…work in a trailer at plus 30 and I will show you hot…Not easy for inside or outside..But as Maxwell Smart would say… I get the feeling of the old divide and conquer trick…

  • Justice coming says:

    Trudeau government will fired some of CPC management who vote NO on our key demands. Finally justice here.

  • Disgusted says:

    If the union knows they will be legislated back to work then why the hell go out in the first place? Take a reasonable offer just once. Why spite the membership?
    Cupw should stop whining about fairness and do something practical. Just once!

    • veteran says:

      @Fisgusted. Because the union cares about optics, i.e, they want this like any other strike to go down in the books of history as another “attack” on the union in that they were not allowed to strike. So, they supposedly suffer martyrdom and thus save face.

  • Benny and the jets says:

    Canada Post worker have 50,000 thousands worker
    That’s a lot of VOTES MR J Trudeau can loose for the next prime minister election next few months if he doesn’t do a fair deal regarding the disputes of CUPW and the Corporation .
    50,000 votes for the next election that’s a lot number
    To become the prime minister again!

    • Doug says:

      Talking over 100,000+ when including close family, retired posties, and other directly related union go-goers. And if Mr. T handles this poorly and/or ticks off organized labor, 100,000+ quickly becomes 1million+. Harper lost because he irritated too many interests, and Mr. T, already irritating many special interests, will be well on his way to losing if he rattles our cage.

  • Fed up says:

    According to the latest memo on the cupw website, this morning nearly 10,000 postal workers were on the picket lines. If it wasn’t so sad, one would have to laugh. I think there are 3 zeros too many in that number. Who are they trying to fool? Although not exactly rocket scientists, most of us can count to ten. But this is how stupid they think we are. Time to show these clowns the door.

  • 15 years old boy next Lettercarrier says:

    Brothers and sisters co workers let’s be calm and relax , next year in a few months mr J Trudeau will again ask for your vote ! Then he should be very careful in his decision to handle the Canada Post health and safety issues… therefore we are over
    50,000 thousands votes to help his next election
    If he will handle the Canada Post job dispute, if he doesn’t do a good job on Canada Post worker he
    COULD LOSE THE NEXT ELECTIONS
    50,000 VOTES can be the good number for him to LOSE
    Thank You all and

    • Thrift girl says:

      Lol, Trudeau knows he will not get cupw vote… CUPW is suppose to vite NDP..lol that is who the big bosses support. Our votes are no threat to Trudeau.

  • Robert in Calgary says:

    Folks, also take time to email Labour Minister Patty Hajdu at Patty.Hajdu@parl.gc.ca and Public Services Minister Carla Qualtrough at Carla.Qualtrough@parl.gc.ca The system needs to be improved for the modern world. It should be mandatory that we can vote on at least one, if not several offers before CUPW can start strike action.

    • LCiO says:

      @Robertincalgary…I’ll send off some emails no problem I’ve been @fedup for years? Anything to get the word out about CRAPW! Social Media you know something there?

  • Mortified says:

    A postal strike is a powerful weapon. The problem is it can only be used against the workers and a small percentage of the public. The company you hate so much and want to destroy is hurt the least. Until the union realizes this back to work legislation is the only answer.

  • Disgusted says:

    @simpleton do you want to be on strike for 8 weeks or longer and still get a worse deal than was offered. What is this idiocy that makes people think we can get whatever we want as long as we cost ourselves and cpc enough? The corporation has shown they don’t care if we go on strike.

    • LCiO says:

      @Disgusted…if you drank a glass of ‘koolaid’ you would understand? In 2018 is there any other explanation for this methodology? The same thing over and over again? What is the definition of ‘Insanity”?

    • Simplecpcguy says:

      @disgusted, CPC didn’t want to negotiate from the very beginning because the PM has an agenda to not to lock out knowing if they rotate long enough that they would be legislated back to work. IS THAT FAIR??????????

    • Simplecpcguy says:

      @disgusted as far as getting a worse contract, I myself and others letter carriers are used to getting the shaft over the last 4 negotiations getting NOTHING. My HEALTH & SAFETY AND OTHER CARRIERS ARE PARAMOUNT. I do not want to be crippled or injured in my last 3 years of service.

  • Simplecpcguy says:

    What I can’t understand is all you people want us to go back to work and sending emails to the PM. All you people MUST BE inside workers because after all this is a HEALTH & SAFETY ISSUE for all us letter carriers. We are delivering 11 sets of flyers, 40 packets plus all the other mail DAILY. .The system! We have now was structured for in the 80’s and 90’s not for today’s increase of packets and flyers not to say we’re walking anywhere from 20 to 27km per day.

    • Postie says:

      The union doesn’t care about us carriers. They only care about dues. Come on simplecpcguy Tell your union to negotiate for US. The past 3 contracts have been all about RSMC’s and new employees.You really think they are fighting to lighten our load ????

      • Matt says:

        @Postie says The only load their lightening is the one in our wallets. ‘‘This has happened for last 25 years and will happen for next 25 unless we reform the negotiating process.Next time the union ask for yes vote on strike mandate, vote No until an offer is presented at least that way membership is in controll not the “ choosen” few. Remember what happened to LCUC. (They still owe me $5) TIME to vote!!!

      • Simplecpcguy says:

        @postie, we have to stick together on this, I know it’s very hard in the letter carriers world because we go in and it’s like we have our own business which is our route. We don’t care about anything else, we go in sort the mail collate 10 sets of flyers then get our 50 packets tie out and walk for 25km per day BY OURSELVES. In the plant world, you work your 8 hours any work left over the next shift takes care of it, in letter carriers land there is no one to do the leftover. THATS ONE THING THAT P…..S ME OFF ABOUT THIS OT BAN. IM DOING THE OT EITHER WAY BECAUSE THE NEXT DAY IF I DONT FINISH NO ONE WILL DO MY ROUTE. SORRY FOR WRITING OUT IN CAPS. IT JUST GRTS ME UPSET

    • somethingsmellsbad says:

      And the union agreed to all of it so email the prime minster people cause the union has screwed us time and time again!

    • Mark says:

      @Simplepcguy…if you think this union is going take all that away for you think again…this union had lost the last negotiations I have been involved in…what makes you think this is going to be any different? This union couldn’t negotiate themselves out of a brown paper bag with a hole on their own side to crawl out of..Wake up! We are going to be legislated back

      • Simplecpcguy says:

        Well Mark if we get legislated back then we should ALL go to the Prime Minister’s office and Rally strictly on HEALTH & SAFETY. Like I said the RMS system was built for the 80’s and 90’s, Everytime its negotiating time the letter carriers are swept under the blanket. WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS WORKLOAD ISSUE NOW NOT NEXT CONTRACT IF THERE WILL EVER BE A NEXT CONTRACT.

  • El nino says:

    Love for all!
    Hate for none!
    We’ll get through this brothers and sisters, just stick as one , we can do it…

  • Coffee man says:

    Good news, I just email to Trudeau request him force CPC to make a deal with CUPW before end of next week. Happy ending.

  • Mark says:

    Trudeau will be in Singapore until the 16th do that being said I assume he will be in Ottawa all week next week whereupon he will in Papaua, New Guinea that weekend after. That being said, he will have that week to draw up and pass legislation. Hopefully, the Minister in charge of Canada Post is drawing it up while he is away this week..we will see

  • MLC says:

    I don’t think Canada Post wants to negotiate because if they did they would of quit lying to us.

  • Disgusted says:

    I emailed pm as well. To disgusted at ppc, I don’t know what that is but I would be furious too. I have only been off one day and I am enraged. It is appalling that you have lost five days wages. Unforgivable.

  • ShutdownCUPW says:

    Cupw put ur members back to work…. It’s not fair to the people that cannot work and put food on the table for there kids…cupw needs to be fired and members should create a better union

  • Chris meyers says:

    Take the deal already. Let the works vote on the offer

    • Steve need to talk says:

      @Chris meyers, What is the deal we have now??? Did CPC give us a final offer before we go full strike? Where is the final offer? What about our demands of key issue ? None of one our key issue need to give up. I support to a full strike next week if not reach the agreement.

    • Doug says:

      What deal? Temps working at straight time whenever the company deems fit? A pension that can’t be funded because CP only employs temp workers? Look past next week. I’d rather take a full strike now.

      • veteran says:

        @Doug. Our pension is NOT a pay- as -you go pension, where current employees pay for current retirees. This means new employees do NOT fund existing employees’ pension. Every new employee creates for him/herself a new account and thus a new liability for the corporation. Much like the CPP you are not concerned with how much other workers contribute. Your pay out is solely being determined by what you and your employer contributed into it over your working life. This scheme is called a capitalized pension. I hope to have make you understand the difference.

        • LCiO says:

          @veteran….very good and understandable?

        • Donna says:

          @vetran…i am so impressed that you know this about the pension. Very few people understand how it works. The union gives the impression that we need new people in the pension to sustain retirees, the fact is that new people are a huge luability to the pension deficit. Please try to inform as many people as you can. You are so right.

          • LCiO says:

            @Donna…good old fashioned ‘koolaid’ although they make it a lot stronger these days? You can’t tell them anything? But I Thank @Veteran for trying.

          • veteran says:

            @ Donna. I have tried to tell people at work several times. But, because (union)propaganda is more effective than factual arguments, my success is limited. And, yes, the irony is that people think that more people on the payroll will make our pension more safe, when in reality the opposite is true.

  • Mark says:

    Emailed Trudeau with a letter regarding this and intimidation and bullying from this union…his email is. justin.trudeau@parl.gov.ca

  • Toronto outdoor says:

    So happy to have holiday again at Toronto local.Thanks CUPW to save my life.

  • Mark says:

    Toronto local out again…I guess Comrade Pakacek has one last stand to make before back to work legislation comes in, hopefully by Friday…this had been anightmare for all employees and a public relations nightmare…the union had shown it’s true colors especially in putting in the Overtime Ban and keeping it enforced in the dying days of this strike… unbelievable…

    • Ghjk says:

      Kool aid drinkers are discussing defying back to work legislation.

      Good way to weed them out, give their jobs to new employees.

      Hoping to be legislated back soon. Really sick of losing wages. Stuck sitting at home since my local is out again. Not picketing, all it does is encourage the egotistical union execs

      CUPW facebook page is a good laugh. Got called out for using an old picture to show picketers. Fewer and fewer are showing up.

      • LCiO says:

        @Ghjk….sorry your out again and losing wages…I don’t even see pictures on the news anymore of picketing it’s pathetic?
        But ‘Koolaid’ drinkers say it’s not the support on the picket line? It’s delaying the mail that’s doing the damage? Lololololololololol

    • Coffee Girl says:

      Honestly I’ve seen CUPW pull many stunts over the years but this “ENFORCEMENT OF THE OVERTIME BAN? ” Are we living in the 1920s Chicago Mob Era?As I’ve said all along the first ones that will be taking OT will be these “KEYSTONE COPS”

  • Discusted at PPC says:

    Why is it that we at PPC have sacrificed more than any other local? To date we have lost five days of wages. How is this fare and equatable compared to other locals? Spread the burden equally across all regions in the name of equality and fairness. I cant believe I have to point this disparity out to CUPW on Canada Posts web site! Can you believe that CUPW has no email addresses on their website to raise concerns and issues. Disgraceful and Embarrassing.

  • cupw_member says:

    Finish the rotating strike and overtime ban it is hurting members (this is the time of the year members make little more money)

  • 29 yr MAM11 says:

    Anyone who has been around for the last 20 yrs or so knows that CUPW and CPC only agree on one that and that agree to disagree.
    No strike or lockout will change anything now, history is about to repeat itself again as usual. Justin steps in and then we get less that what was originally offered or maybe nothing at all.
    CUPW does not seem to learn from history, five year olds could figure this one out. How many times do you need to put your fingers in the socket.
    Mediator could not even bring you both together. Take the offer to the membership or at least go with binding arbitration before all is lost, please.
    CUPW is too stubborn to see that your not getting you way no matter what.
    When this is all over I really think a vote to remove CUPW has come.

  • Interpol says:

    JT is out of country and my MP is in Town this week.Looks like Parliament does not sit this week so no solution .

  • Email minister says:

    FYI
    If you want vote minus the union
    Section 108.1
    https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/L-2/page-19.html#docCont

  • Interpol says:

    CUPW bosses cant understand that after pay high to RSMCs there is nothing left for us Urban.and stop this BS with postal banking it is so 1970s
    Let us VOTE !This is best offer we got from CPC in 20 years

    • Ask to hold says:

      @Interpol, What do you mean pay high to rsmc? They just get same wage as us. Pay equal..If you can prove rsmc pay higher than us. Prove it. or you should call yourself ask to Hold.

  • dose of reality says:

    this may be an unpopular post, but if were on strike or locked out what if the government says enough is enough, were not getting involved, their are other alternatives, most of the public would applaud the Prime Minister for taking a strong stance and we will all suffer the repercussions.

    • LC23 says:

      We need educated people on our bargaining team not former posties. This is the reason we NEVER negotiate a contract. With the many millions of dollars CUPW collects they should hire a team of lawyers to bargain for us.We have NO HOPE with this team

  • sore feet says:

    Alright Kids….The Federal Mediator has left the property, being unsuccessful in his attempts to get the two Bullies to kiss and make up and get this mess settled. Now, the next move is our BIG BOSS, Justin T. He will show up soon and order back to work Legislation. This may take a week or two to pass through Parliament. The Federal Mediator has bagged himself some serious coin over the weeks, nice hotel room, great meals, maybe a dip in the pool, work out in the gym, and a hot sauna at the end of the day. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the dull conversations persist..who, what, when, where???….no concern on CPC/CUPW side to draw the line and say….here you go…lets settle and continue to discuss the on going problems. Get back to the business at hand and give the membership some peace of mind. But NO!!..lets keep this mess going….it’s fun and we get paid to do this!!. I correct myself…CPC finally through in the towel and settled the ongoing grievance from the 2011 lock out. Only took them 7 years to figure out they are wrong!!….shows you their arrogance and pride. Pride cometh before a fall.

    • Doug says:

      Why does everyone think that CUPW, CPC, Mediators, etc., all love living in hotels? The hotel novelty where’s off awfully quick.

      • sore feet says:

        My opinion is this.. If the CPC/CUPW/Mediators grow tired quickly of hotel living, meals etc?….Why does it take 10 Months to figure out a contract. This negotiation is an excuse to get away from family/responsibilities and chat around tables and in small groups. This negotiation is centred more on RMSC than all CUPW members…..it’s a total waste of time and tax payer money. CUPW should have walked out February 1st. CUPW would get quick resolution if they began a public outing of wasted taxpayer dollars at the hand of CPC. This is a ridiculous dance and the membership are tired of it. Change the station please!!!.

  • PO5 says:

    Where is the moderator on this site..Are they on strike or what…Allowing someone to say to another they hope they burn…Calling someone stupid,dense,a idiot is over the line…Please take that posting down…There can be opposing views with witty remarks…Which I have enjoyed reading here….But that posting is going way to far…

  • Disgusted says:

    Furious1 please talk to your mp. I have been calling mine regularly. They need to hear from people like us. They need to know all the details. My mp was shocked as I blew the whistle on this union. I hope that when we are legislated back to normality I will have had something to do with it.

  • Dude says:

    https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/L-2/page-19.html#docCont

    I’m not sure if I’m reading this right, but at the bottom of the above page, under section 108.1 (1), it seems like the Minister could direct the Union to allow the members to vote on the last offer that the employer presented. Wouldn’t that be better then getting legislated back to work and getting a worse offer?

    • Donna says:

      I think this might be what happens. It would be illegal to legislate back to work. If the union is counting on that they may look like bigger fools in the end.

    • Postie! says:

      it absolutely would, this mirrors every contract dispute in my 22 yrs. and the end result is tilted more and more towards cpc. these labour disruptions do nothing to help negotiations or puts no pressure on CPC. CPC handles this professionally. We have a bunch of former posties who actually pout when there demands arent being granted. NO one outside these national CUPW people know know what they are exactly holding this all up for.

      CUPW and CPC should have both agreed to let this mediator publicly release an audit of what is going on. Id bet it would make CUPW look pretty bad.

  • Furious1 says:

    If CTV News W5 program got involved to find out the real story on CUPW and the $5000.00 threats and blacklisting and threatening of employees….. I could just see it now as camera crews approach CUPW over this that they would be running from the camera crew screaming “No Comment”. Issuing false statements following W5’s attempt to get this inside story of the inner workings of these thugs saying “we would never threaten the employees we represent”.

    I would just love to see this on W5. The rest would be history and decertification would happen swiftly and I would be laughing my face off!

  • Furious1 says:

    The absolute best possible thing that could happen from this round of contract negotiations is CUPW decertification! You have some nerve threatening the employees you say you represent with fines of $5,000.00 and blacklisting throwing members out of the union on your overtime ban! Taking names of people like mafia hitmen in retaliation to anyone caught working overtime! I have to hand it to you CUPW good job! You’ve given your membership enough angerbover your antics to make a very strong move to have you decertified as you definitely DO NOT represent the interests of your membership!

    Perhaps someone should approach CTV News W5 program so that the public can get the real picture of this entire fiasco and maybe even open the books on CUPW and find out what corruption and lies you’ve misled the public to believe! You are far from innocent! Threatening your own membership!!!!

    Let’s open that can of worms on CUPW and expose the truth to the postal disruption and the behind the scenes threats! Maybe you should all be locked up because those threats are almost criminal.

    Your a disgrace CUPW and your time is drawing to a close!!!

  • Furious1 says:

    Keepcalm……however this is not 1981. The year is 2018 and we are living in volitile economic conditions. CUPW’s rant and repetitive rhetoric is as if they are still living in 1970.

    Just the demeanor of CUPW is sickening! Period! Apparently last Friday they nicely paid workers in Calgary operations a visit talking about the overtime ban for the upcoming weekend tied in with remembrance day making threats to workers that if anyone works overtime, they could be fined $5,000.00, lose their job, be blacklisted and removed from CUPW membership! You’ve got to be kidding me with such Neanderthal threats to the workers! Truly living in the dark ages! They were taking names of those who broke the ban!

    Just based on these kinds of threats to the workers should be enough for a class-action lawsuit! This kind of bs pulled by the union who supposedly has the workers best interests at heart? Talk about bullying!!! Making verbal threats! If anything divides it is this kind of treatment to the workers they are supposed to represent!

    The above information in and of itself should give us the workers more then enough to group together in real solidarity and have this union that seeks to destroy its members financially, who is also destroying the business and leaving our futures in a very unstable, uncertain mess! Based on the above information it is not hard to see that CUPW has no empathy and does not care at all for the workers they so deceitfully say they represent.

    The time is now! To initiate decertification of CUPW and find more suitable alternate representation that will represent its membership properly!

    CUPW along with its leaders who are about as corrupt as a Cuban politician, should be put to pasture and exiled far away from the present day workers of Canada Post!

    The NERVE!!!! To threaten the workers you say you represent!

    Your days are numbered CUPW because after this contract gets done or arbitrated….. there will be a revolution and initiatives will commence moving forward to have you decertified as our representatives.

    2018 and you are threatening the workers you represent???

    You are an embarrassment to the workers you say you represent! In the media, in the eyes of the public! And when they find out more about your tactics threatening workers with $5,000.00 fines and being blacklisted like the henchmen you are!

    If the public gets ahold of you inner tactics and the threats you present to the workers you say you represent! You will be lucky if your not burnt at the stake! You CUPW should be and need to be ousted! You’ve betrayed the workers you say you represent!
    Sad to see you go but your time is definitely up!!!

    I for one will celebrate your removal!

  • greg says:

    Look boys and girls. Until the shareholders (Taxpayers, all unions and politicians) hold the management accountable to negotiate a fair contract they couldn’t careless. We get penalized while they continue to get paid. So should there be a provision within labour law that also penalizes the management for not settling the contract within three months. I think if there were some sort of penalty for management we might see settlement happening a little quicker.

  • stampede city says:

    If its true (and I hope it is) that there is a push to have CUPW replaced with the teamsters union, I encourage everyone to get behind that movement. I am a 29 year employee that has seen this same scenario happen contract after contract and it is NOW TIME to make this move. We have fallen so far behind on the pay scales and with the recent restructures that are going on in the depots, CPC just keeps piling the work on with no regard for the workers. This would be the best move the employees of CPC could do. Likely lower union dues as well.

  • Furious in Calgary says:

    Once again the CUPW rank and file members will have to pay the for the stupidity of those,who supposedly have our best lnterests at heart.It is well past time for a real union.

    • Free speach says:

      There are plenty of non union jobs out there for the anti union supporters. Oh and by the way the wages and benefits represent the real world you speak of. Nobody is begging you to stay with CUPW. I am sure there are plenty that will show you the door.

  • ptmike says:

    What is wrong if CPC offered 2% increase in pay every year of the contract to both Urban and RSMC also job security for all regardless how many years they have been employed. Take off the pay for temporary employees at 1,000 hours with in a fiscal year before they go to the next pay increment, it should go by years of seniority because there are places that temporary employees may not even get 500 hours a year and they should not be penalized for that. Get rid of the forced overtime, ask first and then use temporary employees. Also when restructuring employees hours will not be reduced. Could go on but these are some things that CPC and CUPW should be able to agree upon. Just some food for thought.

  • Furious1 says:

    Somethingsneelsbad…….I will definitely be one of the first to sign the petition! I hope this happens. We need proper representation not a rogue union that sets up their own lists of demands, takes the power from the workers via a strike vote that is likely tampered with an inaccurate. Either way with the OT ban most stand to lose huge financial gains this time of year plus every single time we walk the line we lose $200.00. All inclusive the financial losses are significant and there are member that struggle as it is supporting family and circumstances such that people can not afford to lose the kind of money the union forces down our throats just so they can try to make a point in principle. The real STRUGGLE is not with the company but with CUPW!! I hope we get in touch with the labor minister and start a revolution to decertify and get rid of CUPW in favor of representation which actually listens to and represent its members and gets things accomplished rather then these idiots that are pigheaded sitting through a mediator 2 times in a row yet still stipulating “ we remain at the table willing to negotiate reasonably” which is the biggest lie! They have destroyed businessand they are financially impacting its membership!!!! Tell me how this serves the workers! I’m sick and tired of CUPW impacting our lives yet pose as if they are working in our interests! The time is now so I hope petitions start rolling and we reach the labor minister to sort out decertification regulations and get the representation that actually serves us workers and our interests! The time is now! We must initiate the call to decertify not in fear but in true solidarity and get the right representation in place to serve us postal workers PROPERLY! And not against our will!

  • veteran says:

    At some point or other, this strike will end. And, for one more time, my prediction is that it will prove to have been a fruitless effort- even though the union will try to portray it as a victory. But make no mistake, this spectacle is bound to be repeated because these people have an extreme left political agenda. Nothing will ever satisfy them in their pursuit to a Marxist utopia. Thus, the only way to curtail their ambitions and prevent damage to the corporation, is to become outspoken and unafraid like this writer. Talk to your co-workers and always have a critical mind in what the union proposes. Don’t follow blind. Their intentions are good for the members but lead to destruction and everybody loses. The best option, in my opinion would be to replace this union with a professional union that puts the interests of the members first but also is aware of the economic and business reality in which we live. A union that will let the issues of international conflict, i.e, Palestine, and political order, for example Cuba, to be part of the Canadian government policy making arm where they belong, rather than being promoted and supported with our union dues.

  • Mark says:

    Today is Monday…will the Union call a full out strike tomorrow hoping the government will legislate us back by Friday…hmmm…that would be 4 days…they won’t have to pay anyone…beware…don’t be scammed…

    • sore feet says:

      LOL….Sounds about right Mark!!.

    • Simplecpcguy says:

      Hi Mark, I don’t think the Union will call a full scale strike. What I do think is that by the end of the week if there is no movement, PM will step in and we get the old shaft as always. BUT if the PM makes that move he does not keep his word that he wouldn’t step in. Also, because the work has a Health & Safety issue as far as the letter carriers go, since the Union claims we Angeles the worst reported injuries HOW COULD THE PM force us back to work if there is a safety issue????. I believe that CPC never wanted to bargain In good faith because the Liberals probably guided CPC not to because they will force us back to work and get THE REAL SHAFT AGAIN.

    • Coffee Girl says:

      @ Mark…Oh wouldn’t that be exciting…NOT! To all the 100 supporters across Canada of CUPW…be sure you dress warm and bring a friend so there’s 5 on the line….instead of the 2 or 3…Rah!Rah!

    • Resigned says:

      @keep calm. Classic posture of a true Kool aid Slurper.This isn’t the eighties, and this is exactly why this bunch of union negotiator clowns are doomed to fail yet again: living in the past. In 1981 the postal service was the nerve system that drove the economy, a complete shutdown paralyzed the country. Now, parcels are virtually the only thing cpc is relevant in, for given the existing infrastructure they enjoy, they are able to provide the service at a more economical rate. But if cpc ceased to exist, the cost difference would be absorbed equally by supplier and customer and the world would go on with barely a hiccup. That is why we need a union that understands these things and does not go to bed a night hoping to wake up back in the 1970’s.

    • veteran says:

      @Keep calm. That was the time when the government was subsidizing Canada Post to the tune of one billion per year. Besides, what does this have to do with this strike 40 years later. This shows just how stuck in the past you guys are.

  • somethingsmellsbad says:

    Teamsters has been contacted and petitions will be started to removed CUPW

  • Furious1 says:

    My Question Marie, is why then everytime a contract comes up the membership always votes yes to a strike vote? This time CUPW said it was 93% unless they lie about that too? However everytime a contract comes up the membership gives them the power to do nothing except help us lose income? People have got to wake up get this union decertified, they are not doing us any good. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again. We have to learn from this and get someone to represent us properly. Being able to vote on counter offers etc and a union that will represent the wishes of the workers! Not chasing for the man on Mars that has nothing to do with our contract! Most importantly allow us the right to take further votes on counter offers! Time to decertify. Someone should reach the labor minister and start the process! Their time is up!

    • Mark says:

      @Furious1…My question to you us…Why won’t the union hire an outside unbiased Party to count the ballots? Much like skimming I
      n Vegas Casinos back in the day

    • Doug says:

      Mr. Furious. Relax. We improved on the company’s first offer last time. We will improve on the two offers the company has already released. This is not insanity. It is progress, and progress can be messy.

  • LCiO says:

    CUPW, ‘Koolaid’ drinkers and their Strike Mandate, the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results and the insanity will continue until the membership decertifies CUPW and certifies a new union? Or the membership is given the democratic process in electing the negotiating commitee and the deligates who appoint them? CUPW is hardly a democratic union?

    • Free speach says:

      Great idea and we can start from ground zero at 17 dollars an hour and little or no benefits. Who would we blame for that if you don’t have Cupw to represent you.

  • somethingsmellsbad says:

    Why would Canada Post ever want to make a deal with a union that hates the company. CUPW thinks it’s a bad thing when Canada Post makes money. They are so narrow minded. What we need is a union for the outside worker where we would be at 30 bucks a hour. The inside workers would stay at 26 a hour with a wage freeze cause they are over paid as is. New highers at 19 and if they can’t do the job fire them. Most importantly we need to remove the hate (cupw) and stop all of this other crap that they do. All the people that love CUPW need to be fired!!!

  • Marie says:

    CUPW has never and will never negotiate a collect agreement. They need to always blame. This time like every other time it’s Canada Post fault and when the government steps in, it will be the governments fault. There is nothing CUPW can do now that will get us a contract. Rotating or all out strike will not work this time. It’s going to be a legislated contract that will be less than what we offerred before all this took place.
    The realty is that the corporation has lost about 200 million in lost revenue for the past 3 weeks and that is money for its employees. There is no other money.
    So let’s all just wait to see what CUPW Does over the next few day but in the end the government we end this feasco. At least the government has their right mind not to let Canad Post go bankrupt!!!

    • Really wanna know says:

      Direct quotes from cupw website;

      “After many attempts to resolve the many outstanding issues that were necessary to achieve negotiated collective agreements, the parties remain far apart.”

      “In spite of the continued assistance of the mediator, Canada Post failed to address your key demands on health and safety, staffing, over-burdening, job security, a reduction in precarious employment, fair wages for all and a better work-life balance.”

      “The rotating strikes are working and putting more pressure on Canada Post with each passing day.”

      Ummmmmmm…Huh???

  • dazed and confused says:

    We do not take striking lightly, what a joke that is all this unioun has done in my 30 years here, their is no reason for the 2 sides to get together by themselves, mediators or legislation is the only possible outcomes. I have zero confidence in this unioun to finalize a deal

  • The End says:

    “Free Speech” is the textbook example of someone who is so blinded by the union’s leftist ideology that they can’t see that what we’re paying them to do (negotiate) has all been lost for their socialist agenda. CUPW as a union is a failure. They don’t care about us. All they care about is their grand socialist cause – we’re just pawns and collateral damage.
    But try and have an adult conversation about this with them and you get (more) bullying and intimidation – laughable, considering they are the so-called champions of no bullying and free speech.

  • 29 yrs later says:

    Looks like Justin will step in and thanks to cupw history will repeat itself and we get less than what was originally offered. This union never gets it , keep pushing for the impossible until you get nothing.

  • Donna says:

    To me, it looks like cupw is begging Canada Post to lock them out. I doubt they will but who knows.

    • Coffee Girl says:

      @ Donna…lol…it’s as plain as the nose on their face…however this time CPC seems to be riding it out as the “CHILD” continues its tantrum! This should have been all done mid Feb 2018…..It’s been such undue stress on all….Oh wait…I mean the ones who want to go to work…. ACTUALLY WORK…then go home at the end of the day.

      • Donna says:

        CPC and Trudeau are not the best of friends. Trudeau has zero business sense and told the public that no new CMB boxes would be put out. This left Canada Post in a very bad financial position. I think CPC is leaving this in the hands of Trudeau to see how far he can sink the corporation, then when a conservative government comes in they will privatize it and the new owners can do whatever they like with it. CPC is playing a waiting game and CUPW is helping them along. Think about it, CPC is not one bit upset about this strike., what does that tell us.

  • Charlie says:

    No pays posted on intrapost. Always been Sunday night.

  • Free speech says:

    Looks like we have a bunch of professional negotiators , in 3 years time we will be in this position again. Plenty of time for all of you to get elected to the executive and become negotiators.
    Or do you not believe in democracy either

  • Interpol says:

    in democratic union we would have a vote on CPC offer (best i have seen in a 20 years)but cupw will destroy this company to proof what ?I like Europe where you have a choice of union in a same work place .Time to fire all CUPW leaders .where is our money $50 mil a year ?

    • Coffee Girl says:

      @ Interpol….where does democracy and CUPW go hand in hand….Oh right, it doesn’t! Let’s see where does the money go? 10 months of all expense paid vacation to ” NEGOTIATE”, Conferences ( oops I mean parties) while members are on the picket line ex.Port Elgin conference a couple of weeks ago, Palestine, probably bought an electric vehicle or 2…etc…Get this sham done…ONCE AND FOR ALL.

  • Robert in Calgary says:

    Folks, when you contact the government, (or Canada Post) emphasize that the bargaining/negotiation process needs to be improved. It’s much too easy for CUPW to get, use and abuse a strike mandate. Union leadership has its own agenda which often has nothing to do with what the typical employee wants improved. CUPW needs to stick to its knitting. If CUPW has money to send folks to “Mid-East” conferences, it’s taking too much money from the membership. Rotating strikes have done nothing useful. They’ve hurt the company. They’ve hurt employees. They’ve hurt our customers. They’ve allowed hungry companies the chance to prove themselves. They’ve alienated the support of millions of Canadians who roll their eyes as soon as they hear the word strike. Folks are united, just not the way union leadership imagines.

  • LC says:

    CUPW negotiators NEVER get a deal done
    So shouldn’t they ALL be removed from these positions? No accountability ? Just a free ride on out dime. 50000 members paying into a union party fund
    Our only hope is getting legislated back to work. As usual

  • Robert in Calgary says:

    The only reason for Canada Post to get into Postal Banking is BEP. Big Easy Profits. $300 Million, $400 million and up. Per Year. The Canadians most likely to consider using any sort of Postal Banking option….the poorest 40% of Canadians. Shouldn’t a Far Left organization like CUPW be against that sort of “exploitation”?

  • Matt says:

    It is my option. Forget banking and make some real green. With the new opportunities in agriculture I think the corporation should buy some farms and start growing pot. After a contract is signed and the union negotiators have to come back to work, give them an opportunity to work on the farm if choose to. That is the only way they would be out standing in their field . Congrats Bombers. TIME to vote!!!

  • Free speach says:

    Looks like someone is drinking the corporate kool aid if the company doesn’t find other means of revenue it will have to close its doors.
    Did you read any other publications when you were at your condo in Cuba or did you just take your ultra conservative manifesto.

  • Fidel is Dead says:

    Just read the postal banking report. Now take this review from someone who can read an income statement and balance sheet and who owns shares in many of the Canadian financial blue chips, (BMO,BNS,POW,MANU,BAM.A,ECT…). (1)The data is old, and the study it is based on is flawed. (2) Does no real financial analysis beyond making High School assumptions. (3) Doesn’t make any estimates on how much it would cost to set up a retail banking net work (billions) (4) You think CPC balance sheet would meet BASEL III capital requirements that banks to Canada have to adhere to??? (5) Targeting the Payday Loan segment, high risk clients, is probably not the best strategy… (6) We already have free online banking options, it is 2018! (7) Bricks and mortar banking is 1990s! If you think Postal Banking is coming to CPC, then I have a Condo in Cuba to sell you! Oh wait! The union already bought one!

  • Mortified says:

    “Stay strong, united and proud.”Strong? Smelling maybe. United? Against the union. Proud? Who could be proud of these out of touch tyrants. The neb is like the poor substitute teacher that seems oblivious and unable to control the class.

  • Disgusted says:

    That is too rich. A union zealot promoting free speech. Go to a union meeting and argue with them. While your at it, look up the definition of fascism. Cupw might even be mentioned by name.

  • Free speech says:

    Thankfully we live in a country that allows collective bargaining.
    For you anti union croanies out the I am sure that there is a sweat shop out the somewhere in the world that would welcome you.
    Since you are so willing to give up the right to collective bargaining, what will you give up next your freedom of speech.
    Just think you won’t be able to post your one sided comments any more

    • Resigned says:

      @free speech… If you carefully read the posts voicing their displeasure with with way things are going with this round of negotiations you’ll see they are NOT anti-union but anti CUPW. CUPW is not a labor union in the true sense of the word, they are a far, far leftist organization…. The union shtick is just a way for them to raise funds. I’m pretty confident everyone here would be happy with the Teamsters or another union with similar clout and realistic methods of bargaining.

    • Matt says:

      @ Free speech says: You obviously believe in free speech and expressing your views and opinions. If your are paying someone or some faction to do a task (professional negotiating) and in your opinion it not happening you should be able to voice your views . TIME to vote!!!

    • Fidel is Dead says:

      Free Speech, the irony of your post is unbelievable. The union uses bullying and intimidation tactics against those that exercise their free speech against them. I’ve spoken out against them in the past using my real name, but its not worth the threats, or intimidation this time and I don’t want my tires slashed or my car keyed or a brick thrown thru my window. Yep, because those are radical union CUPW tactics. Thats how CUPW controls and indoctrinates their members. Its not a zero sum game when it comes to unionization. There are plenty of good paying jobs that exist with healthy relationships with ones employer. One doesn’t need a far left marxist union to get a good pay, in fact, if it wasn’t for the legal monopoly protection on lettermail, CUPW would have destroyed CPC long ago. CUPW is on par with the Stelco union, that destroyed that place while the NON-unionized Defasco thrived.

  • Disgusted says:

    You ever heard of U.S. postal service? They make the same or more than we do and they can’t strike. Their union isn’t preoccupied with Israel, they aren’t held hostage by their union every four or two years. People like you can’t force the majority of people like me off a cliff.

  • Disgusted says:

    I would love to see this union decertified but it is practically impossible. The better option would be to petition the government to eliminate the “right” to strike. We would make more money so would the company. This wouldn’t solve the union’s corruption but they would have no power over anyone. Crapw wants you to contact your mp so do it.

    • Fidel is Dead says:

      If the right to strike is taken away, we might actually get a good deal for once. People who work unionized jobs in areas that are deemed essential services have actually kept up with inflation over the years, unlike us. Its because CUPW doesn’t really fight for that, its never about getting a decent raise, but about how many redundant positions CUPW can create, which in turn brings them in more cashflow to fund their far left politicial ventures and travel to the failed FAR LEFT countries that they worship.

      • Rad says:

        No,got it all wrong,you probably never worked a 1200 call rsmc route. Problem is , too much product to prepare and deliver in an 8 hr time frame and they dont want to pay! Pretty simple, just sayin

    • Doug says:

      A union member petitioning the government to take away their right to strike? WOW. A more illogical, contradictory, and pointless idea I have never heard. Should we also petition to have the government chip everyone and brand every new baby with a corporate logo? Or perhaps “union” should simply mean we get to hold hands once a year after corporation fire people willy nilly (i.e. Wal-Mart), and reduce pay and benefits so the bosses can take more trips to tropical island. In short, and my playfulness aside, wake up. This negotiation process will pass, and I we shall see if we improved on the company’s weak offers.

      • Rad says:

        Lol! Cheers Bro! Come on folks trust your union! Started with the 87 strike for me and believe me, relax, they know how to deal with this lot! Cheers!

      • Fidel is Dead says:

        Doug, by your comment you are actually making fun of the union that you obviously still support. CUPW’s far left ideology would actually support a government that would brand and chip us in a heart beat. The far left ideology results in a MASSIVE powerful central government that CONTROLS everything, to the detrement of its people. History has shows us NO exception to this rule. In terms of your comment about the bosses, going to tropical islands, well, in our case its our union. I even hear rumours that CUPW owns a condo in Cuba. Regardless, these jet setters are constantly heading down to the far left conferences in the bananas republics, because as we are seeing in Venezuela right now, the ideology certainly does interesting things! And there connection to the Palestinian movement raises even more serious questions.

  • Fidel is Dead says:

    These rotating strikes are simply speeding up the technological revolution we are in right now. Small and medium size businesses are simply speeding up their transformation to electronic communication from traditional mail. Lost business means less money to pay future wages and benefits. CUPW is sacraficing us for their far left marxist battle. CUPW is also in an all out war with their Toronto Local. This union is going down fast! Be on the right side of history, and let the few radicals that are left fall on their swords on their 20 century picket lines. https://www.canadianunderwriter.ca/insurance/canada-post-disruption-help-insurance-industry-1004138346/

    • Doug says:

      Every idea you just expressed is factually wrong. 1) Traditional mail REVENUES are fine and the gains in parcels have more than outstripped flat/falling declines in lettermail, 2) Lost business came back right away last time and will company quickly this time as well because Canada Post is a very competitive parcel delivery company!, 3) The all out war in Toronto you speak of is sheer nonsense and simply frustration on your part, 4) The union has its problems, but there is no evidence it is “going down fast”. In summary, I just used Facebook and email instead of lettermail, and I just went on Amazon and ordered a package of crap that CP will delivery. The world goes on…

      • veteran says:

        @Doug. When was the last time you read a report that Canada Post business is flourishing and the corporation is making profits? You speak fluently CUPW.

        • Doug says:

          Actually, I read the annual financial reports available off of Canada Post’s website. Parcels and profits are booming! (on an annualized basis, as 4Q is usually our strongest by far).

  • Realist says:

    one comment has resonated with me. Teamsters got UPS and Purolator 31$ an hour for doing similar work. No far left agenda, no Paestine, Cuba or pipe dream banking. Let’s remember this when this is over. Why is everyone scared of reprisals from this crooked union. Seriously, if we followed through with decertification, we wouldn’t have this stress and uncertainty. We would get timely raises. We wouldn’t be begging for updates because it would be a quick process.

    • Really wanna know says:

      I agree. I am not qualified to initiate something like this as I am, simply, not educated enough in these things to be spearheading the movement. I also don’t want to re-invent the wheel, when someone qualified could step in. I am, however, an excellent right hand person and a very diligent and hard working individual that would benefit the people willing to step forward and initiate this. I’m willing to do the work that is provided to me by trustworthy co-workers that want to, objectively, look at decertifying cupw in a proactive, realistic way. I’m not looking to join jaded, negative “union haters”. If there are enough positive, level headed people willing to take this on, then let’s start a real discussion.

      Cheers

  • Mark says:

    I have never seen a bigger group of dumbass**es like the CUPW’s supporters….when they say that the rotating strikes are working, I have to shake my head at the stupidity of it all. Even when the writing is on the wall with arbitration, CPC is still holding out to the last minute even most likely with a warning from the government. They are not budging…they don’t care, so rotating strikes aren’t working…forget the Scientology Cult…the CUPW Cult is the new norm with these blasted Idiots…

  • Resigned says:

    Just an observation… Our useless union continuously uses the words “demands” and “negotiations” in the same sentence. Does anyone else see the incongruity with this? A demand suggest a firm stance that cannot be negotiated. Until these freeloaders learn the difference between the two terms, a bus load of negotiators isn’t going to hep.

  • Furious1 says:

    We should initiate to decertify CUPW. Out on the line a shop steward commented after I had to break the string from the cheap flimsy signs that “ as a result of breaking the string she would be seeking double the dues” just the fact that they can’t even afford to make better sign using cheap string is an indication that they cannot afford to even pay its membership. More then likely the dues get pilfered on their lavish trips to Cuba and other so called initiatives that have nothing to do with us!

    I’m sick and tired of the bs CUPW dishes out! “ but we remain at the table willing to negotiate blah blah blah” when in fact it’s more likely that the union stares down the mediator saying “ we will not negotiate or move on anything until our demands are met” “ we will not negotiate or move on anything until our demands are met” “ we will not negotiate or move on anything until our demands are met” repetitively until the 8 hours of fine dining are up. Once again this will see the mediator leave the table with no movement.

    Next up lockout or forced arbitration and an end once again as we lose because of this rogue union that does not negotiate anything…..they most definitely do not give a damn of its membership or they would listen !

    We are all losing money because of them period and we stand to lose more soon in arbitration! But yet the idiots keep voting yes for the union to mess with our lives! What is it going to take for people to wake up?????

  • Matt says:

    OMG gas just cut off . No money to pay bill! Need something to light fireplace, hand me union card, that will work. Aaaahhh that’s better . Oooopps no card to vote. Don’t need it anyway, arbitrator will decide like he/she has done most of my career. Save union (approximately 2 million) cost of vote.

    • Doug says:

      You are welcome to quit and find other employment without a union, because CP employees will always be unionzed buddy.

      • Mark says:

        @Doug…Don’t have to find other employment…one can legally opt out of the union and use those dues towards a charity of one’s choice and recieved a tax receipt…how’s that for giving to a good cause?

        • Donna says:

          No, you can not opt out of CUPW. It is a mandatory union and you must belong to it. I know, I tried. I also find it so hard to believe that in a country like Canada you are forced to join an alt left union which takes your money and supports terrorist causes. Do any of you remember the embarrassment Canada faced when cupw took money from Canada Post ( which had been negotiated into the contract for union education or something like that) and spent it to go support a terrorist who was put in prison, it hit the papers and was a total embarrassment to the Canadian government. The union has you by the “b…s” and there is not much you can do about it. I actually wrote letters to the government asking them to implement “right to work” legislation which gives the option of joining the union or not but everyone is afraid to touch unions. So darn sad.

      • Matt says:

        All our days are numbered if WE all don’t start thinking about the CUSTOMERS. TIME to vote!!!

      • Regular Joe says:

        @Doug is ready to ride this thing into the mountain. Head in the sand like the rest of them.

        • Doug says:

          And I guess Joe is ready to bow to the company and try to kick the union out, is he? When you finally figure out that we are at war, the new contract will already be signed, and your wasted frustrations did nothing to help the cause.

  • Fidel is dead says:

    Anyone who thinks CUPW cares about them, GIVE YOUR HEAD SHAKE! You are just cash flow to fund a large far left political machine. The national execs are still collecting their 35 percent premium while they tell you, you can’t work overtime. They are still travelling to their far left wing conferences, while you have to make sacrifices to provide for your families. Time to wake up. Yes, getting 40 percent to decertify across the country would be a logistic difficulty. But the union derives its power from those that support it. If we all collectively stand down, then they are done.

  • Just Plain Tired says:

    @Matt, I believe that since strike action of any sort has started, they don’t have to get another mandate. That rule applies only if the mandate hasn’t been acted upon. But I’ve always maintained (and was lambasted when I said the same thing in a post early on) that mandate votes are unnecessary. Give us a concrete offer to vote on and if it doesn’t pass there’s your strike mandate. Anything else is giving the union a blank cheque to hold up presenting us an offer until THEY feel they want to.

  • Cindy says:

    The union needs to get out of Canada Post we pay them to work for us and they tell us nothing .The Union has there meetings in very expensive motels there meals paid for and 2 free drinks thats on our money this is bull.We got hired by Canada Post and paid by them we don’t need the union no more.bye bye

  • Matt says:

    Is it true that are strike mandate expires this Wednesday and we have to take another vote to stay on rotating strikes. Would it not make more sense to vote on the contract first and then a strike which we should’ve done in the first place . Present offer and let the kids vote. TIME to vote!!!

  • Really wanna know says:

    Does anyone on this forum have the authority to comment on the following questions? If so, please do.

    Why does cupw post about Palestinian issues on their website?

    Actually, before I go and list all the sponsorships that cupw involves themselves with, I’ll ask this instead;

    Why is cupw posting anything on their website that is not negotiation related? They seem to have a string of issues that they throw their support behind, but why should I care about those things? I am paying them union dues to take care of issues related to my employment at Canada Post. Why throw in all the extraneous bulletins?

    What they do on their own time, with their own money, is none of my concern. I want information about what they are doing to further the negotiation process, or information about the specific obstacles they are facing along the way.

    Is there somewhere that I can get information as to the financial income that is provided to them from union dues and the income they are provided by the other entities that are funding their other activities? I’d, certainly, like to ensure that my dues are not allotted to anything other than my interests regarding collective agreements or other union/corporation related issues.

    Is there a clause in our employment acceptance that states that I give permission to the union to allot dues to “outside interests”?

    I would like to think that I am in control of whom I give charitable donations to and that my union would not allocate my dues to anything outside of my direct interests.

    Are Postal Banking and “green vehicles” really included in the union’s demands in this bargaining round? Those seem like issues to be dealt with within the realm of the corporation, no? Those suggestions can be made, by the union, to the corporation, but can’t, seriously, be part of the negotiations, right? Please, someone chime in.

    There is nothing, useful, posted on the cupw site. The employees and the shop stewards are totally in the dark. No one can answer the basic questions that I ask. If I want “mud flinging”, I’ll go to a monster truck rally.

    What is going on? I mean, really?? Is there a place where we can get a straight answer? Cuz, I’m not so cool with backing anything that doesn’t inspire my confidence and win my trust.

    These questions aren’t rhetorical.

    Cheers

    • Bigdues says:

      CupW sounds like Trudeau and the other lefty leaders. They are constantly sending our money to foreign third world dictators and the DNC in the United States to defeat Republicans and buy votes at the UN.(Trudeau’s next job after we toss him) Why can’t we worry about Canada Post employees and Canada before we try to buy votes in Africa and the Middle East? Isn’t there a leader in North America that said he would worry about his country first and the rest later? Imagine that novel idea!

    • coco says:

      Here is how you can contact CUPW headquarters and speak with someone about your concerns.I have phoned them a number of times and they have discussed whatever i wanted to talk about.

      For national officers and union representatives, contact CUPW National Office

      377 Bank Street
      Ottawa, Ontario K2P 1Y3
      Canada

      Tel: 613-236-7238
      Fax: 613-563-7861
      TTY: 613-236-9753

      feedback@cupw-sttp.org

      Facebook: cupwsttp
      Twitter: @cupw / @sttp

    • Corrupt union of postal workers says:

      https://www.cupw.ca/en/campaign/resources/cupw-perspective-may-2018
      Financials are there
      Cupw is no longer a labour union

    • veteran says:

      @really wanna know says. I was going to give you an answer to the questions you posed but “The end says” did it for me. It is a pity that the vast majority of our co-workers do not care to know what this political cult stands for.

    • Donna says:

      Sadly cupw is involved in a lot of political issues that you may not agree with. They appear to be very pro terrorist, pro Palestine, anti Jewish and one day cupw members may find themselves on a no fly list. Cupw did go to Cuba to protest the confinement of a known terrorist. I personally think this is one of the most radical unions out there. Even sadder is the fact that the members are supporting these political causes through the payment of union dues. This really needs to stop but as long as Trudeau is in power the union can do what they want, after all Castro was a personal friend of the Trudeau family. That speaks volumns

    • The End says:

      @ Really wanna know: CUPW is not a union. It is and always has been a political cult that thinks by interfering with social issues like Palistine that have nothing whatsoever to do with us, they will craft an image of itself of fighting for “the little guy” and “the oppressed”. That’s why our union dues are funding “fact finding” missions to far flung socially repressed regions of the globe that have fallen under the big bad word of capitalism. It’s also the reason why they go into negotiations with such animosity: Canada Post=capitalism=bad.

      Postal Banking and electric vehicles and charging stations are structural things the union has no business being involved in or demanding. The gall that they even brought them up is laughable. If they are still on the table, everyone should be angry that they are.They only brought them up because they want you to think they are this warm and fuzzy organization that cares about the environment, just like all their other socialist causes that they spend our money on. Those things are corporate decisions. Period.

      If we would have had a non-political, professional union from the get go, instead of a group of sloppy, angry, unprofessional Che Guevara-wannabees, our salaries, working conditions and the company’s financials would be things to be proud of. Instead, here we are again. And in 3 or 4 years time… again.

      • Really wanna know says:

        Thanks “End”
        I’ve not been involved in the workings of the union, as I’ve found most of the rhetoric and message it and many of my co-workers spew, disagreeable. I find that the loudest champions of the union, are largely the ones in need of representation, due to poor attitude, poor work ethic or both.

        Listening to the constant bitching and complaining became tiresome a long time ago and I’ve, honestly, not payed attention for the longest time. BUT, the position the union has taken and the propaganda it produces has made it difficult to ignore. If it were the regular “union speak” and “rally calls” that one would expect to try and bring the membership together, I could ignore that too (or at least tolerate it), but this seems like a blatant abuse of funds and an exploitation of the employees of Canada Post.

        Without trying to, simply, bitch about the union for the sake of bitching (and, because I’m ignorant to the steps and protocol involved in switching, or decertifying, unions; would it be realistic, or advantageous, to actively pursue representation from another union? In my view, cupw is not effective in representing us, as they are, seemingly, choosing to further an agenda that does not serve the employees of Canada Post… you and I. I would feel more comfortable with a union that chose to put my interests first, especially since I am the one employing them.

        Has a movement to decertify cupw been initiated? Could someone with experience or knowledge of this add to the conversation, either way? Again, this is not just a slam against cupw to be anti-union. I just feel we should be aware of realistic and possibly beneficial options.

        If there is something I am blatantly missing or a good argument or information as to why cupw IS representing us well, please share as well.

        Have a great long weekend!

        • LB says:

          @really wanna know says, I just saw a cupw film called Memory and muscle about the 1965 wildcat strike. Those guys and gals laid everything they had on the line back then. Kind of a moving show. Shows what it started out to be all about. I too am trying to get my head around what cupw has turned into as far as our fight for our real concerns as employees. Anyway, I found it interesting, maybe you will too, cheers!

  • Mortified says:

    Thank you Trudeau for finally getting fed up with strike. Next step is to take away the “right” to strike so these radicals can’t ever put us on strike for nothing again.

  • Just a thought says:

    Instead of postal banking why not some new ideas and forward thinking from both sides. Why not sell legal marijuana from postal outlets or are we not looking for modern ideas to help the company into the future.

    • post mortem says:

      I’d rather see dope sold from an outlet than having a delivery agent do it. My day got a lot longer since we became drug mules. We really need to rethink this. There’s no way I should be going into OT just because someone needs to get their buzz on.

  • Curiosity says:

    Curiously,
    The dear employer is going to come up with massive amount of money for RSMC payout on equity payment. So where the $ comes from?
    Our genius CUPW decided to step in and help. (may be pre-arrange and who knows) But how?
    -By rotate striking to stripping each members’ paid. Imagine the 50,000+ gave up an average of 10 hours (or more) so far.
    -By banning us from working OT where as allowing CPC acquires low paying unskilled workers to rob our entitlement.
    Just look at the parcels volume, Amazone, Zullily, Suppliment, Pharmacy on line, Avon Sport Check…all these LVM swamp in?
    So who is paying?
    I was told the upper management’s bonuses should be banned and taken care the payout but shouldn’t all these helps from CUPW actually increase their bonuses and drive up the profits?
    Wake up, smart up, grow up CUP you.

  • How convenient says:

    Who is breathing the biggest sigh of relief now that the government has decided to put an end to the current contract debacle? Why CUPW, of course. As usual, after having done absolutely nothing for the betterment of the membership, they will retreat under the rock they hide, and claim that it was the government fault for interfering that we will get less than the original offer CPC had put forth. This, of course will have resulted in CUPW having not spent a red cent in strike pay for yet another contract renewal.

    • Coffee Girl says:

      @ how convenient and the sad thing is THE CUPW GROUPIES will believe them…and be DISAPPOINTED because they didnt get to fight til the end…Oh but will be the first ones waltzing in on OVERTIME…Same old story….always ends like this.

    • Doug says:

      Absolutely nothing???? If memory serves, last contract CUPW fought and got us more money, allowed us to keep our pension, paid lunch, etc. — when compared to the company’s first offer. Does your bias and embrace of myopicness allow you remember this or not? It is fact. Please do no remind me how we did not improve on the first offer from the company last go around.

      • Resigned says:

        We lost sick days… We went a whole year without pay increase… Flyer money has been reduced to practically nothing, while size limitation were done away with, new hires got the shafts… Shall I go on? Ease up on the Kool aid, it’s impairing your judgement.

      • Matt says:

        @Doug Does the arbitrator work for CUPW? Money less than what CPC offered?

  • Doug says:

    For those on this board that like to bash CUPW, please do note that CPC has not said anything about negotiations in 36-days. Our demands, many which do not carry any monetary burden, are not unreasonable. The inability of CPC to respond in a thoughtful manner is…

  • Thrift girl says:

    I could be wrong but I thought Remembrance day was part of our contract. We do not have a contract right now. Remembrance Day is not a holiday for the general public so I am thinking that Canada Post does not legally have to pay for this day. Please correct me if I am wrong.

  • Matt says:

    The day CUPW starts signing my pay cheque is the day I stop working overtime. The union has ALWAYS said in past slow down take your breaks put in some overtime, koolaid is not cheap!! So what is it ? Make up your mind. Or are the temps called in to pay more union dues? Remembrance day is all about freedom of choice. TIME TO VOTE!!!

    • Coffee Girl says:

      @ Matt…hard to reason with a bunch of Communists…And of course they want the Temps in to take their money….And to drink their Kool Aid because us regular employees got wise to them years ago( well those of us who want to work) Not the CUPW groupies! They still love that KoolAid ! Drink up folks…I hear the Kool Aid is almost gone!

      • Doug says:

        Literally nothing you have said speaks to specific facts about why CUPW is such a horrible union. Saying don’t drink the kool aid and calling someone a communist is all well and good, but do you have any productive way to channel your anger and frustration? CUPW is our union. It has flaws. Yes. But there is a lot of people that still have their pension, paid lunch, and MANY others things that should make us all thankful that CUPW is our union. If CPC had their way they would, eventually, use all temps, get rid of the pension, lower wages, keep overburdening letter carriers, etc., etc., etc. (if you don’t believe this you have overdosed on kool aid). Accordingly, shouldn’t some of your constant negativity be directed at CPC? Saying you hate them both is, also, fine, but also unproductive. We are in a strike mode, and, unfortunately, there is a side to choose. I choose CUPW over CPC all day long. Now attack me as being naive and being a CUPW shill, because apparently that is as deep as your rhetoric goes…

        • Coffee Girl says:

          @ Doug….Yep and you’re the voice of reason…lol…I know what CUPW has done,what they haven’t done and CPC is no better in a lot of respects.But they sign our paycheck…not CUPW and to have a Union order us around like a bunch of minions…Not for me.We can think for ourselves…50/50 BLAME FOR BOTH.

  • Bill says:

    The same 1970’s union with same processes however much has changed. In 1978 we were front page news in all media sources. Now very little. Most public don’t even notice or understand what is going on. CUPW does not have any clout since everyone’s emails still arrive on time, Fed Ex, UPS and Purolator are busy as usual and loving the new business we are providing them with. The 20 and under group do everything on their cell phones and have never even bought a stamp. In 1978 there were 60,000 CUPW and today the number is the same. Everything the Union is requesting has a cost and the money has to come from somewhere. With the mandate indicating that we must be self sustaining the Union is pushing the government to privatize the Post Office. I still have my Crown Corporation will deliver bumper sticker and tee shirt that the Union supplied me with. It was their campaign and now they regret this. Perhaps in 30 years time when the work force is 20,000 they will again see the evils of their greed . Times are a changing and CUPW as with all labour movements better wake up.

  • 29 years and who cares says:

    Lets start a petition to Ban the Overtime Ban.
    Stand up for your right to work overtime and get back what you lost while on rotating strikes.
    Our union needs to get its priorities in order, not to mention the financial books as well. Jimmy Hoffa lives.
    One of the highest dues in the country but nothing show for it, except lots of parties and education for the CUPW regulars over and over.
    How many times do the same people need to be educated?

    • Coffee Girl says:

      @29 years..How about educating them in sensitivity issues the top priority being anti- bullying training? Oh wait,they’ve always been “BULLIES” so that’s why they get involved in the Union…

  • Interpol says:

    This is too much ,we were told by CUPW rep today that if we work OT we will loose CUPW rights but CUPW will still collect fees !!! MAFIA
    Where is our $50 mil a year you crooks collected from us ?
    Let us VOTE !I lot $2000 in a 3 weeks I will never get this money back !Bravo Justin Trudeau he said today he will take care of this soon !if the CUPW does not get smart soon we will loose big time.
    with this stupid strike CUPW proofed that we are needed 3 days a week !
    for those that are not 50 take you cash buy out and run ! their is not gone be pension in a few years.CUPW will bankrupt CPC with equal pay .THat is why CPC cant offer any money for URBAN all went to RSMC

    • Outerpol says:

      @interpol, to save CPC first all interpol their pay should roll back. Because you guys are over pay to work inside. Our outdoor pals *rsmc should get the same pay like us who’s work out door. You need to educate the value of indoor and outdoor.

    • Donna says:

      They can not do that. Read the rules of a “mandatory union” they can not take anything away from you. You are forced to join this union therefore you have rights which do not apply to a union you choose to belong to. Please people read your rights, google “mandatory union in Canada” educate yourself.

  • jason says:

    i just read our CUPW president’s latest, in his own words, on the pro-palestine forum coming up in montreal, seeking 6 koolaid drinkers, for an all-expenses paid party.

    first up, what is, and why does our union, continue to inject themselves into all these political concerns? that is not what i am sending my/our union dies on.

    and more importantly, i ran our CUPW president’s latest palestine post through a grade-level checker. and you know what? the grade level checker came back as the vocabulary of a 6th or 7th grader, someone between the age of 11 and 13.

    if that don’t put the icing on the cake, for who we have running the CUPW show, i don’t know what will. sad, really.

    • Donna says:

      And just think how the Jewish members, paying union dues must feel about this. Unions should not be able to tout politics going against paying members. Just disgusting.

  • veteran says:

    Anybody wants to go to the conference for the self-determination of the Palestine courtesy of the Communist union of postal workers? Go ahead and apply but you must have shown a strong union commitment e.i. be a union mouthpiece.

    • Coffee Girl says:

      @ Veteran….lolololol…But really? They can afford to send people to Montreal to party hardy but no money in the Strike Fund? Bunch of crooks.

    • CUPW is a clown posse says:

      @Vet. Union insiders send union insider to seminar no business of a postal union. Payed for with our dues at a time when CUPW refuses to pay premiums for STDP. At a time when members are struggling with unpaid days due to rotating strike. Tone deaf clowns!

  • sore feet. says:

    Hi All..Checking in after another drama filled week at work…” are we going on strike”…..” they’re gonna lock us out”……” bet we have to work Nov 11th”….” bet we get screwed out of Nov 11th”…and so on……
    Mitch has been called back to help reach a settlement and he is more than happy to help out…he is well paid kids!!…LOL. We all get Nov 11th off…nice long week end before we begin our two week strike on Monday November 12th….or begin a new work week with a new contract and mega buck raise…and CPC has the right to staff as they see fit. This is what it boils down to. CPC will pay us big time, they have the cash..trust me!!…in order to staff as they see fit.. Enjoy the rest…it’s going to be a crazy month once this mess is settled…

  • Disgusted says:

    Good for Trudeau. I have been begging his government to save us from this union since 72 hrs notice.

  • C says:

    Food for thought…we’re on this site complaining about CUPW and CPC and justly so. We’re complaining about our working conditions and whether we’ll get paid for the holiday. Maybe we should remember what the holiday is…Remembrance Day…we should be thankful for the men and women who went to war for us and gave us the freedom to voice our opinions on sites like this. When we complain about being out in the rain and snow, remember the soldiers who spent years in adverse weather conditions, in trenches, without the luxury of going home to a warm bed at night. I vote that on November 11th we don’t post any complaints on this site for one whole day as a sign of respect to veterans everywhere.

  • I want out! says:

    Just read Trudeau now says he will get involved in the postal strike. Finally Superman to the rescue. CPC and CUPW still cant agree on what to get on their pizzas. Every last one of them on both sides should be ashamed of themselves for putting their employees, and their customers through this mess over the last year. Ive been on the job for almost 34 years it never gets better at contract time. Cant wait for it to be over.

  • Frustrated says:

    CUPW strike action now spreads to BC and more Ontario cities and continues in Nova Scotia and Quebec. Canada Post is working hard to minimize service delays. Hey Canada Post shouldn’t your message say that your hard working, dedicated employees are working hard to minimize delays even though we are the pawns in the middle of the ridiculous game?

    • Coffee Girl says:

      @ Frustrated..yes they should…This is NO JOKE and both sides should be ashamed of themselves..
      Especially the Union…asking too much…No wait DEMANDING too much of its employer-We the employees…We pay them and @LC23..yep they’re driving around here too…all expenses paid plus lunch, supper, Tim’s coffee….etc…etc…

  • LCiO says:

    Stat holiday will be paid, less any days you were sent out? Formula is used over the last several weeks minus any days you were sent out on strike?

    • Coffee Girl says:

      @ LCiO..oh no! Not pro-rated…The “KNOW IT ALLS” say we are paid no matter what! And that’s the truth…the whole truth and nothing but the truth! CUPW said so ( Crass Underhanded Political Wannabes) but I still like CRAPW the best!

  • Matt says:

    Just checked Canadian labour code section 191, not a Philadelphia lawyer so, not quite sure of meaning of cessation, division and few other key words , and how stat Holliday’s are paid juring a cessation (work stoppage, strike, lock out, etc…..)

  • Prisoner of CUPW says:

    Its time for all members to get together and get rid of CUPW , this union does nothing but take our dues and have fun with it while some members are out in the cold getting nothing. In the end we will get less than what was offered and you can thank our union for that.
    By the way how come CUPW has not comment site, of course they don’t care about us or our what we have to say, just hand over your money. Don’t forget when this is all over CUPW will be looking for lost dues and most likely dues will go up, so any raise we do get goes directly to CUPW party fund.
    I would just like to thank all who did vote Yes to strike. A lesson for the new people, giving the union a strong strike mandate is the same as signing your soul away to Satan, trust me I’ve seen it all over the last 29 years.
    CUPW ( Canadian Union of Pissed off Workers )

  • LCiO says:

    I’ve been sent out twice already (haven’t picketed) and there was a comment about an inside worker whom might be a little resentful that they have been out 3 times, not getting paid and fighting for outside workers which has nothing to do with them? And I’m the first person to feel bad that any one of us has to be out and lose pay because it’s all unnecessary really? This should have been done in February and could have, but was stalled by CRAPW (I like CRAPW) Thanks who ever came up with that? To get to the busy season the Corp would not do that? Looking at the last CPC offer I don’t see any concessions? Can anyone help and show me? There are new measures put in place to reflect the new parcel volumes and trying to create walks more to todays standards. I don’t understand how a Collective Agreement could not have been reached by now? Can anyone see any other reason other than CRAPW? CPC is also exploring a set of selected financial sevices? I don’t know how it isn’t done? I could have seen maybe ending up with 1.75% with their last offer? I don’t know? What’s wrong with this picture really look at the last offer and tell me something could not have been done by now?

  • dazed and confused says:

    as a 58 year old letter carrier, CUPW is responsible for all the forcebacks and changes that have been made over the years making the job more challenging. While you were so busy with getting the rural carriers what you could, you neglected us, You sold us out on flyer money for time values you did not represent our concerns when postal transformation was occurring, The company has spent enomorous money on this new system so to hold us hostage for your screwup is a day late and dollar short. Get us a raise and end forcebacks and lets move forward

    • Coffee Girl says:

      @ Dazed and confused…as a 35+ year employee Cupw sold us out on a lot of stuff and also agreed to the two tier system…The wage difference is too much of a gap but remember people CUPW agreed to it in the first place.Now they’re fighting for stuff that was agreed Upon? REALLY?

  • C says:

    @simplecpcguy. I’m one of those plant workers who is now on my third day off without pay. All I’m saying is that CUPW should make it fair for the rotating strikes. It’s supposed to be 24 hours. Last time they took us out for 48 hours. Now they are being selective in which parts of the local is going out. I’m on strike today but flyers got delivered to me by the RSMC who delivers to my area. We both belong to the same local. This is going beyond “taking one for the team”.

  • LCiO says:

    @doug…Lololol you are hilarious, did you know that? I bet you don’t know how funny you are? Lololol are you standing over a map right now with all the ‘Strike’ locations marked out and potential ones? Your digging this huh? Although I don’t see much more support because of the prospect of making $200 /20hrs over 5 days? You know how much that is an hour? Nothing close to reflecting a 95% ‘Strike Mandate’ anyways, just a few more ‘Koolaid’ drinkers?

  • Matt says:

    Can anybody tell me if the CUPW negotiating committee is still getting paid and what their incentive would be to settle this if they still get paid while residing in these lush hotels with an endless supply of Kool-Aid ? And could anybody tell me what’s in this Kool-Aid ? On another note to get paid for a stat holiday do you not have to work the day before and day after to get paid? Who will CUPW choose to be the sacrificial lambs?

    • LCiO says:

      @Matt…lush hotels (when the Condos aren’t available) and endless ‘koolaid’ are in the Union Constitution I believe? Ask
      @Doug he should know? And I personally haven’t had a glass of ‘Koolaid’ in about 25yrs but I think it’s alot stronger now? Stat holiday I’m not sure? Finally, CUPW membership is always the sacrificial lamb?

    • Scott says:

      @Matt … You just have to work 15 of the previous 30 days. As far as I know there is no mention of working the day before and the day after.

  • Disgusted says:

    I have been in a lot of conversations and invariably someone gives there opinion on who they liked better between captain Kirk and captain Picard. Personally, I really see no need to pick one. Also, I hope the public becomes completely aware of this union’s corruption.

  • What a joke says:

    Both sides will loose ,it’s a joke of a circus. May as well put a bunch of kindergarten kids together probably get better result ( what a joke)

  • Curiosity says:

    Conspiracy theories:
    It looks like CPC and CUPW took a vow in over-paid workers replacement.
    Some thing is not right, they must be working together. Just for thought!

  • Just thinking says:

    Hey does anyone know how I apply to be a negotiator for Canada Post or CUPW. I’m sure it pays ok and it doesn’t appear you have to do anything to earn your money.

    • Coffee Girl says:

      @ Just thinking…No Experience Necessary but you have to be willing to stay at the best hotels, fine wining and dining every night, talking nonsense all day,extra long weekends off….Etc.But not everyone would like that…others would prefer to be outside in the cold by a fire!

      • LC23 says:

        I would love to see CUPW financial statements. How can they blow $46 million/year ? A few years ago someone at my depot asked our union steward for the unions financial statements. He was yelled at and told “how dare you question our union “ . He never did get an answer. Nothing to hide? Show us the financials

        • Thanks to be Retired says:

          @LC23- The union often puts out their financial statement at the same time they post contract proposals. Workers often forget to read it and if they did, they would be OUTRAGED…….GTA is the WORSE at abusing OUR money and that’s why they want rotating strikes. NOT A PENNY TO PAY ANYONE. I like the concept of unions but this current union staff should be charged with FRAUD…

          • Coffee Girl says:

            @ Thanks to be retired…You’re 100% correct…Our local told us anytime we want to see the books, we have to make an appointment! Uh huh.Things to hide? As far as National…worse exec I’ve seen In all my years for abusing funds.Soon to join you in retirement…

        • Decertify says:

          The financials are in the prespective…basically they can only afford to pay members 2 weeks on the picket line…approx 18 million in the defense fund.
          Keep in mind they spent 4 MILLION on their national weekend convention last year and how many millions fighting for employees that are stealing and bucking the system

  • M says:

    Looking at some Canadian News sites and nothing…nothing about Canada Post and rotating strikes…we are i-r-r-e-l-e-v-a-n-t…how else can you spell it to Canada Post and CUPW?….take what you can from this and let’s move on…this nonsense has to stop

  • Mortified says:

    “We are committed to a reaching a negotiated settlement.” That is why the urban unit is on strike with an offer of no rollbacks and a pay increase. “We will continue as long as it takes.” That is another favourite. Would six months be enough? Not for some it wouldn’t. Fake a strike vote. Lie every step of the way.
    Repeat as often as possible. It is vulgar.

  • Disgusted says:

    Will everyone please call their mp and explain what is going on. If you want your regular job back, beg for legislation to end this. There will be no Spartacus to lead a rebellion. If you want to stop the fringe from ruining your livelihood the government is the only chance.

  • Buggars says:

    Regular day out west.
    Why are you panicing…..go with it!

  • C says:

    Another day of CPC saving $1,000,000 to $2,000,000 in CUPW pay due to rotating strikes. No wonder they’re not in a rush to settle. They’re trying to save up to pay that $250,000,000 that they need for pay equity.

    • Simplecpcguy says:

      @C, you have no idea, if Canada Post wanted and locked out the Union it would take 2 weeks if that of a lock out and CUPW would be BANKRUPT. That’s why they are doing this rotating strike BS. I’M in delivery and I truly feel sorry for the brothers and sisters in the plant especially Gateway and SouthCentral. There is nothing about the that they are fighting for, they are fighting for RSMC’S AND LETTER CARRIERS, Meanwhile they are out again for the second time probably for 3 days this time NOT GETTING PAID. Let’s all not complaint and thank the plants for going out there for us. THANKS SO MUCH BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN ALL PLANTS ACROSS CANADA THAT ARE OUT ON STRIKE FOR US IN THE DELIVERY SECTIONS.

  • C says:

    @postmortem. CRAPW not CUPW. That’s too funny. Thanks for giving me a laugh on my “forced” day off WITHOUT pay.

  • Thrift girl says:

    London held a rally at City Hall and according to the news DOZENS of people came. Dozens, think about that. Ever hold a protest and nobody showed up. This is just getting more comical by the day.

    • Doug says:

      Canada Post management didn’t hold any rallies and nobody showed up. Point being, when we strike and zero people go into work, that is what matters. If we have to do a full strike, which could happen, a few more people will trickle into the picket line as the prospect of a little pay would come into play. Right now you can’t blame anyone for using a day-off as a day-off, especially when there is no pay. BUT remember, no one working is the pressure we are applying, not the public rallies for media…

      • Thrift girl says:

        No one working is saving Canada Post big time money. The public really does not care because they know they will eventually get their mail. So exactly how is having a plant here or there shut down doing any good for cupw? All the members know that this is not going to work, the union execs know this is not working but they will take everyone down with them. They will not back down because mentally they are unable too. The only one winning this game is Canada Post. The union is proving that the public really does not need or probably even want mail delivery everyday. Cupw you are a joke!!!

        • LCiO says:

          @Thrift girl….you are absolutely correct, also when I went into work today I had some circs and maybe 10 packets to deliver (cleaned up Can Tire) went out to deliver and observed UPS, Puro, CanPar and Amazon trucks everywhere? It’s that time of year? There are alternatives but the CUPW ‘Clowns’ refuse to see that? And really anyone that thinks they’re doing a good job? I mean like how much ‘Koolaid does it take?

  • C says:

    Have you noticed that only the Toronto local plants are on strike today. The Toronto local RSMC’s and letter carriers are working today and getting paid. If the RSMC’s want the same hourly wage as us and the letter carriers do not want to work forced overtime, shouldn’t they also be on strike today along with the rest of the local union. Why are inside workers being penalized for outside workers issues.

  • Coffee Girl says:

    Christmas is about 7 weeks away…Scenario: a parent orders a gift for a child and lo and behold CPC is the mode of delivery.The Grinch decides a major city goes out 5 days before Christmas..no gift for the child under the tree..Trying explaining that one.I AM BEYOND ANGRY RIGHT NOW.YOU SHOULD ALL BE SO ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES…

    • LCiO says:

      @coffee girl….Yep and now arguing about being out I didn’t vote in favor of a strike but anyone who did I hope this is a learning experience in not giving the CUPW clowns a Strike Mandate?

      • Coffee Girl says:

        @ LCiO…I’m sure some of the Kool Aid drinkers are now scratching their heads…now that they’re losing OT, annual leave and the list goes on and on…Oh and the same people may think twice next time when they see the TERRIBLE ARBITRATED CONTRACT coming our way.Well I can say…told ya…I didnt give them a mandate either.

  • Laughing says:

    News station CP 24 just showed a helicopter view of South Central. FOUR people are on the picket line. Way to go CUPW!!!

  • Donna says:

    Just think… If the union drags this out past Christmas then Canada Post will be free to offer overtime to anyone they please without any rules of senority. Just think about how much money the Corp will save by bringing in casuals instead of offering OT. I am think Canada Post has a strategy, a darn good one at that.

  • post mortem says:

    CUPW will botch this just like 2011. Remember that? CPC gave us a final decent offer which at least 3/4 of my co-workers would have voted on but comrade Palecek said nyet , rotating strikes, a lockout with 2 weeks loss of pay and an arbitrated contract that was WORSE than what CPC was offering us. Nice victory there. So we have been worse off for the last 7 years and we will be screwed again this time. Thanks CRAPW.

  • Mark says:

    Just to reiterate…does anyone not see that the union lost this one again…for Comrade Palacek to crawl directly to the Government with cap in hand shows his desperation. Does he actually think the Government will actually side with him and go against the interim CEO they installed? BTW…how’s it going with all those harassment complaints sent to the Government? Haven’t heard anything about those just like all quiet and misinformation about these negotiations….what a joke…

  • S says:

    CAN WE PLEASE HAVE SOME UPDATE HERE AT CANADAPOST SITE FROM CPC

  • 29 years Fed Up says:

    Two words “Binding Arbitration”
    CUPW needs to realize that you can’t have it all, and soon we will lose everything. Better get your resumes ready CPC is losing customers and customers means no us.
    Does anyone understand that we are no longer the only parcel service in this country. Why would anyone want to use CPC with all this BS which occurs every four years. The RSMC’s got the pay equity now move on.

  • Simplecpcguy says:

    CUPW is scratching their heads thinking that this rotating strike would help. WRONG. if they wanted the impact they should of had rotating strikes at all major plants. Then they would force the corporation to LOCKOUT. This is just a waste of time, money, customers and possibly jobs. Way to go CUPW

  • Mark says:

    Union getting desperate now going to the Government directly with hat in hand..they know they will not win this one…they just egged everything up…

    • LC says:

      How is delaying the mail an advantage for us ? We are pissing off the people that still use Canada post. So we force them to find other ways just seems like a bad idea by a union with No idea how to bargain. CUPW negotiators are clueless

      • Postie! says:

        CUPW’s rational was that it “will force CPC to negotiate”. One day CUPW states CPC hasn’t budged on anything, the next they say the strikes are having a big impact!…….
        There are NO rollbacks in their offers. This union still continues their dream of more dues with this Postal Banking, who in there right mind is going to use a bank when this crap happens every 4 years.
        It’s been quiet the show watch these shop stewards acting like they have any kind of authority over workers.
        CUPW, cut out all your self serving crap that leads to more dues and lay out health and safety and a modest pay increase.

        • Doug says:

          There are no rollbacks in the offers????????? More part-time employees with “flexible” schedules and more temps working at straight time whenever the company feels like it would be two of the largest rollbacks ever. With the current language, as I read and how the company would impose it, appendix P would be unreachable (1000hours) as the company hires thousands and thousands of temps and is allowed to place them wherever, and whenever, they feel like at straight time. IF YOU DON’T THINK THIS IS A ROLLBACK FOR TEMPS AND FOR FULL-TIME PEOPLE PLEASE REREAD THE OFFER!!!

    • Doug says:

      The company has not said anything for 15-days. The second offer was pathetic and had within it severe rollbacks. This is the irrational beast we are up against. We must stand strong now!

      • Déjà vu says:

        @doug….you think cpc’s second offer was pathetic? Just wait til you see what you will end up settling for. Your post suggests you’re new to this process. This union has never achieved an agreement that favoured the membership… Ever!

  • Matt says:

    Just checked my paystub and they paid the union nothing. Is this sign from above or does CUPW needs a better negotiator?Time to vote!!!

    • Postie! says:

      since CUPW initiated the labour action. Our contract has ceased, Canada Post is and should stop collecting the dues this Union just plain takes from us. Don’t fret they will take every cent they have missed from you, they always do, it’s what they do best.

  • Mortified says:

    Our veterans would be so proud of the courage shown by some members placing scab stickers on the lockers of people who take ot. So brave.

    • Matt says:

      How could someone Who is not on strike and employed by a company not crossing the picket line be referred to as the scab I don’t think you understand the meaning of a scab. A strikebreaker (sometimes derogatorily called a scab, blackleg, or knobstick) is a person who works despite an ongoing strike. Strikebreakers are usually individuals who were not employed by the company prior to the trade union dispute, but rather hired after or during the strike to keep the organization running. READ your dictionary or better yet Wikipedia . Time to vote!!!

    • Racking in the overtime says:

      Kinda makes them look like bullies. Oh, right, they are just bullies. Chances are though that those that work overtime could not care less what the union or their peers have to say. Chances are that those who work overtime have enough self esteem and courage that they are just laughing at the union and racking in the overtime.

  • Disgusted says:

    The lines are so small now they are putting pictures of barrels up instead.

  • Curiosity says:

    The facts:
    Canada Post is here today thanks to the monopoly letter mail delivery business where online billing and digital payment were tested technologies. Majority public relied our dear letter carriers to deliver their family allowance, pension…cheques and those were our glorious.
    We hear CPC rhetoric only on letter mails decline with some on parcels leading gain.
    It is the warning cause parcels delivery has no border line and CPC–especially with the NAFTA? attachment, can not build a protected wall as exclusive delivery agent. Thus I mention about political influences?
    Is CUPW ready? Are we all ready for challenges?
    Soon no one can afford a $0.85 stamp for a letter but will spent $15.00 for a pre-paid envelope.

  • CP Call Center says:

    Meanwhile, here at CPC’s call centre, customers are starting to get REALLY pissed off. At first there was support for the Union but it is seriously starting to wane.
    Had a customer point me to the London CUPW President’s comments on Global news:
    “When I made the announcement on the lines last night, at around 9:30, people were extremely excited and thrilled that we were going out for another 24 hours.” Is this true? Who was extremely excited and thrilled??

  • tired of the stress says:

    STOP HOLDING ALL OF CPC EMPLOYEES HOSTAGE…CUPW YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY UNION IN THE CORPORATION SO STOP LEAVING THE REST OF US WITHOUT A JOB WHICH YOU ARE DOING. THE PUBLIC DON’T CARE IF WE ARE HERE OR NOT. MOVE ON SIGN AND GET TO WORK OR TAKE A JOB AT $14 AND NO PENTION OR BENIFITS.

  • post mortem says:

    Arbitration PLEASE! Oh, and no deadwood-protecting CUPW is going to tell me I can’t work OT for the days they have cost me. I am beyond angry with those jokers.Its’s getting to the point where I don’t want to tell people what I do for a living because my union has made a laughing stock of us. The public does not care! I have tough days out there but so does everybody. I am thankful for my job and i work my ass off every single day. So to you whiners who think our job is too strenuous or dangerous, there’s the friggin door. Go find another 26 dollar an hour job off the street.

    • Doug says:

      If you ask company nicely I am sure they will takeaway your pension, benefits, and full-time job security from you as well. But please do as nicely…and when you join the ranks of temps with no pay, no benefits, no vacation, no personal days, no STDP, no nothing…watch how you lie awake at night embracing fear. I say no to fear, and no to one of the worst managed company’s in Canada. We need to fight together! If the company does not want to negotiate then we need new people running the company…

      • LCiO says:

        @Doug…the last CPC. offer did not have concessions you write of? Lets get together and fight for a new ‘Union’? Other than that I don’t drink the ‘Koolaid’?

    • Todd says:

      You can do the same!! You new there was a union at Canada post when you applied!! And aren’t you the one whining right now!!! And before you call me a Cupw supporter, I am not, l am just not a corporate suck!!!

      • Mark says:

        @Todd…Who would have thought it would be such a terrible union?

      • LCiO says:

        @Todd….Earning a living and supporting your family, which are a couple of reasons for gainful employment, comes first when applying for a job since your Employer signs the checks? The Union Represents those Employees and you pay them to do so? so why should a Union influence your decision to not earn a living? If you’re not a ‘corporate suck’ that’s good because nobody likes a ‘Suck up’ especially in a union shop, but if your referring to someone who goes to work everyday and does their job and minds their own business then you’re the whiner? Have another glass of ‘Koolaid’.

        • Todd says:

          Don’t drink koolaid! Were do you think the benefits, pension, wages etc. come from, the goodness of Canada post? I think not, it must be you drinking the corporate koolaid!! And just so you no I have worked 38 years straight, 12 of which was serving my country in the military so guys like you could whine and complain!!!’

          • Thrift girl says:

            Actually the benefits were put in place after the war, the intent was for veterans to come back and have jobs. The only real benefit the union has acheived was maternity leave and they bang on that drum every chance they get. The union is the sole reason we lost severance pay. The union is the sole reason we lost sick time. The union is the sole reason we will lose more benefits because remember there were no clawbacks from cpc in the last offer. I am sure when this goes to arbitration there will be some big losses.

          • LCiO says:

            @Todd…Thanks for the service….don’t know why you would bring that into this now or what it has to do with this? But I drink the Corp Paycheck….you should especially know? Fulfilling my Duties and Responsibilities, that’s what someone trying to earn a living does? I’m not whining about my job? I’m whining about CUPW? Which I have the right to do since I pay them to do a job? I’ve worked here 30 yrs straight looks like I have more Seniority.
            Keep drinking the ‘Koolaid’.

          • Coffee Girl says:

            @ Todd thank you for the service to our country so by now you must realize CUPW is not for democracy or they wouldn’t be ordering us around like the Communist Union they are.

      • Coffee Girl says:

        CUPW is supposed to work for its members,not the other way around. And we live in a democratic society….not a CUPW world.I think both sides should be held accountable for putting their employees through this.

  • tony says:

    Just some food for thought….
    CUPW’s strike of 2011 and resulting legislation was deemed a violation of the charter of rights to free collective bargain … meaning we will not be legislated back to work in no short order this time around and even after maybe 1 month or 2 (42 days since the last Trudeau government) this is what will be waiting for us…
    On May 17th, CPC offered 1.76%, 1.75%,1.9% and 2%. On May 25th, CPC improved their offer slightly to 1.9%, 1.9%, 1.9% and 2%. The wage increases set in the legislation are less than management’s final offer. CUPW has calculated that our members will lose $35 million over the four year period as a result. In this, Harper has taken a trick from Chretien, who did the same thing in back to work legislation he imposed in the 1990s.
    We will not be locked out because 3 or 4 day delivery is what Canada Post floated some time ago…and mail is still moving around the country albeit slightly delayed.

    So to conclude the track record speaks for itself… so I would suggest members put pressure on your CUPW representative to hammer out a realistic agreement.
    Of course we are all over burdened and want to get $30 hour but those odds should be kept for the LOTTO MAX DRAW!!!
    We all agreed to have RSMC’S in our union and now it is their turn to move up to our wages and working condition…We cannot have our cake and eat it at the same time.
    The Corporation is already down $250 million over the pay equity and contrary to what everyone thinks we have not made that kind of money in years.
    I’m not suggesting that we curl up an die, BUT the realities do SUCK!!!

  • 29 yrs of fed up says:

    Shame on CUPW having us on rotating strikes and some places longer than two or three days with no pay. That’s solidarity for you and yes a ban on overtime, If you lose money you should at least be able to work OT to make up for it. Who hurting who now?
    I for one did not vote yes to a strike, but because the greater of this union who did I have to play along. Question, how do I get out. I’ll take my chances with CPC as an independent.

    • Isabella says:

      CPC does not negotiate in good faith. If we did not have a union, CUPW or other, we would have no pension, less pay (and no raises at all), and even more forced overtime and lack of a voice. WAKE UP!!!!! The company, and its managers, want bonuses, raises, and a feather in their caps – and they have determined that the only way to do this is to attack the workers…

      • veteran says:

        @Isabella. what makes you say that? Have you ever worked at Canada Post without the union to have the evidence in order to support your claim? Honda and Toyota do NOT have a union. Neither do they want to join one. Yet for the thirty years that they have been in Canada, workers have managed to have equal if not better wages and benefits from their unionized counterparts at the American companies. In addition, drivers at purolator, ( which is majority owned by Canada Post) and other courier companies make more than us without ever having been through a strike. So do not be so sure about the Marxist propaganda that our union spreads regarding a supposedly brutal and heartless employer. The union is more concerned about maximizing employee numbers on the payroll because every member brings them about $1000.00 a year. But keep in mind that we are an industry in decline and this will inevitably bring our wages and benefits down as it has been the case in the last 20 years, it is just simple laws of economics regardless of the fact that bolsheviks in Ottawa want to ignore it.

  • Fed up says:

    This is a complete joke. CPC and CUPW should both be ashamed. You are like a couple of school yard bullies that don’t care about anything other than being “right”. You have both dug your heels in for the wrong reasons. We have a opportunity to grow our business and capitalize on both the increased parcel business and the delivery of legal marijuana. Instead of focusing on this we are damaging both lines of business along with everything else. Yes lettermail volumes may be down (probably because we drove everyone to online bills with our previous lockouts / strikes) but everything else is (should be) growing. Let’s have another Labour disruption to stop that momentum. Joe public is as fed up or more so than most of our members / employees. It doesn’t seem to faze either side though. Everyone thinks the business will come back to us. Blockbuster and Rogers video thought the same. The internet is just a fad. Where are they now. How about all those expensive taxi licenses people bought with Uber etc. in the market now. Gone. It seems to be a race to zero from both sides at the customer and employees expense. There are other options in the marketplace for our customers and we are making it too easy to drive customers away. Clearly the negotiators on both sides with the mediators help have failed. Time to get someone new in there to figure this out. Or is that not the goal. CPC is saving a ton of money with the rotating strikes and CUPW hasn’t had to pay a dime to its members. I’m guessing with remembrance day coming up we won’t get paid and we won’t work. Again the only group impacted is the employee. I keep hearing / reading we are fighting for the future employee like those before did for us. Guess what. If this keeps up there will be no future employees. They will be like the fax machine, the pay phone, and the video store clerk. Gone. When I started this job I knew the benefits and the pay I would receive. I decided to apply. Yes some coworkers might get paid more. They should. They have been here longer. It happens in every job out there in the “real” world. Tiered wage scales. If you can’t accept that get a different job somewhere else but be forewarned you might not get paid the same as your coworker doing the same job. For those of us that want to work here, to serve OUR customers please both sides cut the crap and figure this out so we can do our jobs and help grow the business so we might have a chance of having future employees. This has dragged on long enough. If I’m not happy with my inside work or my outside work I will apply to transfer to the other side. My choice. I will do so knowing what is expected of me and what I will receive in return for my efforts. All CPC and CUPW is doing is causing everyone to turn on each other at the expense of our customers. Figure it out before all the customers and good employees are gone.

    • Coffee Girl says:

      @ Fed up- One of the best comments posted on here.I couldn’t agree with you more.The morale is so low and the anger and infighting have gone beyond reason.Even our local president has said he is resigning after this( if he makes it that long)

  • MAM LEAD HAND says:

    I have been working here for over 29 years and both sides can never agree on anything, but please realize this, times have changed and competition is out there. Rotating strikes or even talks of any type of strike always hurts us as a business and if our union and CPC are not careful the competition might change their ways and start delivering outside city centres therefore Canada Post will become obsolete. Its time to go to Binding arbitration because both sides are not giving in and as I type this comment our big customers who can afford it are moving on.
    Its not the 60’s, 70’s or 80’s anymore the future is here and CPC and CUPW need to see that and move forward together before its too late. We all get paid good wages, try working in the private sector and see how much harder you would work for way less.
    Sometimes it feels like we are held hostage.
    And what’s with the union dues we pay each month, for me $85 per month , over $50,000.000 each year but yet there isn’t much in the strike fund, Is Jimmy Hoffa back and taking care of our dues.
    I must go fire up my resume because we are headed for unemployment if this keeps up.

  • dazed and confused says:

    as a 30 year carrier, it is sad to see how irrelevant we have become. Have not delivered a piece of mail since last Wednesday, but nobody around here seems to have noticed, these rotating strikes are not forcing the companys hand, only angering us workers who lose pay and go back to long days, This plan is backfiring on you. workers will get more frustrated when missing more paydays and no resolution in sight.

  • DG says:

    Canada Post Head Office has NO idea of the realities we front line employees face everyday. Someone once told me,” before you judge, walk in their shoes”. Yet you say you care, but , all you really care about is the numbers. Remember though, NO us , NO you , and those comfortable management jobs may start to dwindle. TAKE REAL CARE OF YOUR EMPLOYEES.

    • waiting patiently says:

      execs live in ivory tower and are only concerned with what they can get away with legally.
      Feds could bump up GST 1% (an increase of $6 billion) give us a 3.5% increase and pay off their so called pension deficit.
      Remember: Money makes the law.

  • DG says:

    If you ever get a chance to go to Ottawa, visit Canada Post head office, you’ll see where our profits are going. You’ll just love the Italian marble.

  • greg says:

    Well, get a load of this. I get back from delivery and walk into the depot and notice my local president hanging up snowflake decorations around the depot. If CP is paying I don’t care. If the local is paying her that would be of concern. The last president of our local is a Supervisor now. Is that how you get promoted at CP. No wonder we have incompetent management.

    • Coffee Girl says:

      Really? Must be nice to be so carefree hanging up snowflake decorations…which I’m sure is paid for by CUPW….never mind a contract…let’s spend money on snowflakes and kool aid …Much more important.

  • Antoine says:

    Any news from our union, anyone hearing anything?

  • somethingsmellsbad says:

    Hey CUPW I don’t do anything for free! Do you hear me NOTHING! How dare you take advantage of people! You should be sued! Wake up people you are being taken for a ride for walking the line for free!!!! This goes against what they are apparently fighting for! Did the union really brain wash you guys that bad that you can’t see that? LOL https://cupwcorruptionexposed.com

  • Realist says:

    Teamsters got UPS and Purolator 31$ an hour. Imagine if CPC had to deal with a real union next round. We would all get a huge raise and not have to hear about postal banking aor other crazy fantasies

  • Stampede City says:

    Hey Canada Post Management, is it too much to ask for a decent living wage and safe working conditions so we won’t be under stress at work trying to get it ALL done in 8 hours? Its always rush, rush rush now and we run the risk of injuring either ourselves or a pedestrian while we are racing around with our 140 parcels (supposed to be 45) in our vehicles. Most of the employees take great pride in their jobs, love their customers and have no problem going the extra mile but when we hear you are saying no, no, no, to all our demands, we start disliking this corporation. Yes our union is out of touch with reality but CPC you need to give a little as well. 1.5% doesn’t even keep up with inflation and I don’t think its fair to the public to have all these employees racing around in their vehicles stressed out trying to get it all done in 8 hours. Maybe the media should be contacted just to let them know of these safety concerns. Is it only a matter of time till a pedestrian gets killed cause some postie was trying to get it all done in 8 hours?

  • PO5 says:

    What is the problem with what our union is asking of our company….It is true that postal banking,and a few other issues should not be included in a negotiation of a workplace contract…At least I don’t think so…But those issues would easily go away if our company would address our union’s key issues…Safer working conditions…Proper staffing…No forced overtime…And a wage increase that at least keeps up with the cost of living…Who would argue that those are outrageous demands…Unless I missed it…I have not read anywhere here the key issues are out of line…Though I have read comments that seem like manufactured outraged towards individuals…If someone thinks our demands are out of line…Please leave a comment why…Maybe I am missing something..Cheers

    • Robert in Calgary says:

      I will take a try. 40 hours x 52 weeks x 42,000 urban x $1 hour =?? In 2017, Canada Post had $8.2 Billion in revenue and a pretax profit of $74 million. That’s puny profit. We (the employees) need CP profits to be $500 million plus. Try “Economics in One Lesson” by Henry Hazlitt. Secondly, please define Proper Staffing. Recently CUPW has discovered the term work/life balance. To me that means I get parcel help which means CP hires more people to help deliver parcels. Out of the other side of their mouth, CUPW whines that folks won’t be able to maximize overtime, perhaps might even have minimal overtime in a year because CP is hiring more folks to….help deliver parcels. A conundrum, yes? Cheers.

  • Mark says:

    Rumour Mill getting out of hand now in the Plant…heard that anyone that did RDO will lose 2 years seniority and Shop Stewards will lose their positions

    • somethingsmellsbad says:

      LOL do you really think that is true. The union can not do this and you are silly to believe that. Remember we are the boss of the union we pay them and now it is time to fire this union! Making people walk the line for free is against the law, now why is anyone doing this for free?????????????????????????????? BRAIN WASHED!!!!! https://cupwcorruptionexposed.com

  • Robert in Calgary says:

    Thanks CUPW. Costing me more money for another day. Time for CUPW leadership to show some genuine concern for the membership. Options – 1. Lets us vote. 2 – Arbitration. 3 – Blunder some more and get us locked out.

    • gail says:

      I totally agree with you here only cost me 1 day so far but, cost me going on vacation this week which I was looking forward to and can’t afford to take it without pay so yes thanks to the union for that and yes let the members vote on weather we want to accept what is being offered the fair thing to do in my books

      • Mark says:

        @Gail….We will not get locked out because that would be playing in CUPW’s hands, gives Palacek an opportunity to save face…he can blame the government because he screwed this up from day 1 by bringing 2 contracts to the negotiating table…played right into management’d hand by putting one contract against the other

  • Matt says:

    Would just like to thank cupw for the heads up on The surprise strike in Calgary nobody knew about it until 8 AM so a lot of the people had to drive in from a distance. Is this because nobody showed up on the picket lines last time and you thought you would catch somebody at work just Another Irritation to the workers that you’re supposed to represent just like to thank you again. This is another reason why we need professional negotiator’s . Thanks for hammering my point home. Time to vote !!!

  • Mark says:

    A snippet 2011 negots
    Purolator Steward, Joe Jephson summed it up this way. “We all went in with a negotiation strategy that represented what our members wanted and thought was acceptable” he explained. “Obviously, we were after the best deal we could accomplish for our members. The company came into bargaining seeking labour peace and stability. We both got what we wanted.”
    Teamster Local Unions across Canada. Highlights of the package included a 16% wage increase over the term of the contact and a pension plan increase of 22%. Worker benefits have also been significantly improved and the retirement allowance has been raised by 40%. This contract puts Teamster members working for Purolator at the top of the industry in Canada.

  • Mark says:

    This will be going arbitration… mark my eords

    • Coffee Girl says:

      @ Mark…heard from a Shop Steward on the floor..his words exactly…”This is going to arbitration” so thanks all…another crummy contract.But we’ ll lose pay over it to save face…

      • Mark says:

        @Coffee Girl….Union royally screwed this up from day 1 by bringing 2 contracts to the table so that management can play off one to the other and we the Urban contract got played over for the RSMCs. So now Comrade Palacek will be getting what he was hoping for: Government intervention…this way he can save face and tell the members, “Sorry guys, I tried for you but the Government took over…not my fault” and all the CUPW KoolAid drinkers will buy into that…funny thing, this was most likely CPC was trying for from day 1…

        • LCiO says:

          @sippy cup drinkers… we could have written this script back in February?

        • LCiO says:

          @somethingsmellsbad…. Your absolutely correct about CUPW imposing ‘Bans’ and being ‘Punished’ if we defy them? The membership pays
          CUPW (clowns) to ‘Represent’ us? What will they do next mandate all members to “Picket” ….for nothing? Are you kidding me? Get out there ‘Koolaid’ drinkers I’m not ‘Stooping’? These clowns should be sitting on a
          ‘War Chest’ and if they were at all concerned about our best interests and fighting for them than they would pay me for everyday they send me out? $200 /day what is unreasonable about that P05? Why doesn’t CUPW cover all members who have been cut off from STD? All of CUPW demands are covered in the last CPC offer…oh? But you probably didn’t see it because that’s when they pulled that ‘Strike Mandate’ out of their pockets that you voted in favor of? Why do you expect CPC to bend over backwards again because the ‘Clowns’ gave notice of a strike? The definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again…but expecting different results?
          That’s why you can be kind of funny P05? And if your Union isn’t fear mongering with these bans I don’t know what sippy cup drinking company you work for? I’ll be posting again…cheers.

        • Coffee Girl says:

          @ Mark..yep the writing has been on the wall from Day 1 is right.Pretty bad the shop stewards are now turning on each other….Well not really…lol…some just gave up the Kool Aid because the rest of them drank too much of it!

  • Gl Doh says:

    Our union has thrown us the employees under a bus!!!!!! We the employees will suffer. But seems the union do not care. Wake up and lets talk seriously. Before all lose our jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Pete says:

    2 weeks cpc since you’ve had a update. mediator failed surprise surprise! Time to give our CUPW members what we want. What used to be a great job is a job everyone hates, under paid broken hurting and 5 years to go!

    • Regular Joe says:

      @Pete
      You want an update? Get ready for an update that is less than the current offering. It only makes sense that the pot will not be sweetened as this rotation nonsense caused a loss of business. Millions have been lost and many months of work will be required to win anything back. Your union is always a reason why customer opinion is on the fence with CPC. False flags and instability need to change. They complain about bonuses for the top… they are the ones that will be responsible for pulling this business out of the fire. No customer has signed up with Canada Post because of you, it is in spite of you and your clown group of leaders.

  • dino says:

    CUPW is only banning overtime because it means more union dues from all the casual help. And if you are thinking no dues are being taken off … just wait until we get back to work with a regular contract … double up on union dues like the last strike!!! As long as you work one day in the month you get union dues taken off. Sweet deal for the CUPW!!! It just defies logic to ban overtime. Isn’t this strike about costing the Corporation more money and not about hurting our customers??? So don’t believe their BS.

  • LCiO says:

    @P05….Lololol I think your comments are so funny and I just want you to know that because I don’t think you actually know how funny you are? How’s the ‘Koolaid’ get yourself a refill…cheers.

  • Furious1 says:

    CUPW days are numbered. The rotating strikes have proven to be useless. They are not as powerful as they think. The workers are the ones suffering as a result by a union who couldn’t care less about their membership. The membership has lost more financially which we will never get back no matter what increase finally comes through in the end of this union instigated turmoil. Just get the deal done CUPW and stop messing with peoples lives. Personally I hope the membership wakes up and gets rid of CUPW in favor of teamsters who will get things done rather then spending our dues on trips to Cuba. We need a union that represents the interests of its membership not the interests of themselves and knows how to negotiate without the games and get things done! All CUPW does is sling mud in the media to paint a better public perception of themselves. What a joke!!! I hope people wake up to the bs CUPW is pulling and to the fact they are causing financial crisis of their own members. It’s time to get rid of CUPW and get a union that better represents the interests of the workers and who will negotiate on key points to reach a deal rather then reaching out for things to distract everyone from key issues. Let’s get this done and let’s also be done with CUPW ! They don’t have enough to pay its membership on a lockout or full strike. They would be bankrupt in a short time. They can’t afford a lockout or strike as they have pilfered our dues away in other ways. Thus they cake up with rotating strikes where workers lose money, plus a ban on overtime which also hurts its membership. Not everyone out there can afford CUPW’s antics. It’s time to get a deal done and move on with the focus to get a union that will properly represent its membership that is able to negotiate equitably (teamsters) and actually get what is in the workers best interests.

  • veteran says:

    To repeat: During the summer of 1991 strike, a vice president of Canada Post, in answering a reporter’s question on national television said: I have a better chance of growing hair in my head by tomorrow (he was bold-headed), than negotiating an agreement with CUPW. That was true then, it is true now, and will be true in the future, unless we say no to this mad Marxist political operative.

  • Fidel is dead says:

    Just found this online, people are now actively engaging against CUPW. I have been waiting years for this!
    https://cupwcorruptionexposed.com

  • Fidel is dead says:

    When an active strike is ongoing, and the company brings in cheaper labour to fill the gaps, the union calls those people scabs. So with the OT ban, they are actually encouraging the use of scabs to do the work that regular employees usually do. I think we are in the dying days of this militant union, they have become completely out of touch with their members. As this drags on fewer and fewer will drink the CUPW Kool aid, and the only ones left to support them will be the far leftists still praying at the alter of Fidel Castro.

  • Curiosity says:

    CPC and CUPW should go back to school for refresher programme.
    Cause I know you all care and the needs of knowing where you are standing.
    Employees-the revenue generators need regular maintenances and parts replacement where and when necessary by rewarding them with a dignity and deserving living wages along with competitive benefits plus rewarding programmes.
    CUPW-you care so much that you blindly take in all the BS without weighting:
    The needs vs wants, pro vs con, what if vs what not, tasks vs assignments, personal concerns vs complaints, proposal vs demands, policies and compliances vs self ego. Facts and figures said it all!
    So, what is the real problems. lol, some one said: it is chicken and duck talking cause they never understand and care what either side is yapping but they are listing!
    Guess what, CUPW can ban OT why not ban all retired eligible workers from continuing employment with same status quo, that way more new generation created and more…..

    • Matt says:

      Correct me if I’m wrong ,my understanding is the corporation made and offer that expires on Wednesday so if they did make an offer I would like to see it and vote on it .

  • PO5 says:

    Months and months of negotiations….Have not worked…Rotating strikes…..Have not seemed to work……Mediators have come and gone…That hasn’t worked……Our union has told us that our company has not budged on their 1st offer to our key demands…I only see 3 options left…Our company makes a new globe offer…We have a full strike…Or we are locked out…

  • Make a Final deal now says:

    Beside get rid of union. I just wonder is our demands of key issue was wrong? If yes, Can anyone tell us which parts was wrong?Wages increase? job security? Reduce over burdening? Increase full time? Equity? If none of them was wrong. Why take almost over 9 month to negotiate?

    • PO5 says:

      @Make a final deal now…You pose a good question…Some of our union’s demands like postal banking..Though may be a good idea..I feel should not be part of a workplace contract negotiations for employees…But as for the key issues…They just seem like normal demands to improve working conditions…And trying to get a raise to keep up with the cost of living..A person cannot even tread water with the raise being offer by our company….So I don’t see anything wrong with our demands…If someone else does..I like to hear your side…Cheers

      • Steve need to work says:

        @PO5, I am agree with you, except get rid of postal banking, we request 3.5% wages rise is nothing for my daily pay. Only a few dollars more. If all others demands of our key issue are no problem. Then make a final deal done. Everyone back to work normal.

  • enough is enough says:

    how to get rid of CUPW? anyone can help?
    i am enough of CUPW, not willing to pay the due over $1000 a year to cupw, who is caring of dues from me, not me

    • Fidel is dead says:

      Almost impossible, you need 40% on a decertification vote. They know we can get rid of them so they run their far left political organization the way the want to. But have no disillusions CUPW is a far left political organization first and a union second. They control their members much like the Cuban government controls it’s people. They have learned well from there many union functions there.

    • Free Service says:

      @enough is enough,Do you want a free service? Switch your job without union. Do you finished your high school?

  • Mark says:

    That’s OK…let the union try…I have a list of all Shop Stewards that were doing OT and RDO in Gateway East…they will lose their stewardship…union can’t cherry pick…

  • Flash says:

    There may be a problem here
    How can you talk for a year then continue with 2 weeks of strike action and participate in professional top level mediation and reach no agreement on any major issues ?
    We will never know the answers
    Both sides will blame the other
    We just live in the fall out zone
    The longer this goes the greater the damage done
    Time to agree on something

  • Just saying says:

    It’s all about new employees and RSMC ‘ and of course overburdened letter carriers . Nothing in it for Plant workers .
    New employees are fully aware that they will earning less money than more senior employees. They don’t have to except employment when offered . They don’t have a gun to there head .
    I could go on all day about how angry I am with BOTH sides complete ineptitude on negotiation .
    It’s a joke and not a good one , they are f<#{< g with our lively hoods and all the union is interested in is getting your dues so they can waste it on sending a delegation to third world countries on a jolly . Take care of affairs back home first

    To the corp I would like to quote a brilliant businessman Sir Richard Branson “ look after your people and your people will look after your customers. How simple is that .
    Give us a fair deal.
    Trudeau it’s time for you grow a pair and crack some skulls. This nonsense has gone on long enough get us back to work . Let’s get the customers their mail after all it is them who pay our wages

  • Stepdown Palachek says:

    Time for Comrade Palechek to step down along with his other comrades…Time for changing of the guard.
    Purolator teamsters got there drivers over 31$ an hour.
    Ups teamsters the same.
    The corp is more than willing to give substantial pay increases, but arent moving on ridiculous demands like postal banking, one contract, hybrid vehicles.

    • Pay Equal Now says:

      @Stepdown Palacheck, if teamsters got $31/hour for outdoor member, Our cupw shiould get us $35/hour. What the heck we are under pay now. We need new contract hour rate rise to $35/hour. 3,5% wage rise for sure.We need equal pay as other competitor.

  • Worried says:

    This banana republic Union is slowly realizing that the current approach to work disruption has zero leverage, and the only thing that might send a real message to cpc they cannot afford or are not willing to fund:a full nation-wide strike. Don’t for a minute believe that the rotating strikes are designed to continue to serve the public… This in of itself is a paradox. The only thing that might resolve this is binding arbitration or a company lockout… And either of those scenarios will net us a lesser deal than cpc is currently offering. Years ago we took in a snake and now we are complaining that it biting us. We MUST figure out a way out of this deal!

    • Simplecpcguy says:

      @worried, I agree with you 101%. The union is doing the rotating strikes so they don’t have to pay the members. If CPC was smart they would lock us out for 15 days which mean the union has to pay us 200 BIG DOLLARS for 3 weeks which will bankrupt the union, that is the easiest way to get rid of the union once and for all. It’s ok because in 2 weeks the strike mandate ends which means we get to VOTE AGAIN. THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A THIRD PARTY COUNT THE BALLOTS and we will all be surprised that 25% if that will vote for a strike mandate. 1000 per year per employee X 50,OOO EMPLOYEES= 50 MILLION DOLLARS. WHERE IS ALL THE MONEY GONE???????????

    • Todd says:

      No they can’t!! Fake news!!!

  • Mark says:

    New rumour going around the Plant….if you defy the Union on this OT Ban, they can remove all seniority you have built up… desperation knows no bounds….LOL!!

    • Donna says:

      They can absolutely NOT touch your senority. In fact even if the union hates you because you go against everything they want ( like I did) they MUST represent you the same way they do other members. You are in a mandatory union which means the union has ZERO power over you. If more people would just read the laws regarding mandatory unions you would fully understand that the union has NO power over you.

    • Coffee Girl says:

      OMG..LOL.What next from these clowns? They’ll take our first born also? This is just so ridiculous…lol

    • Bob says:

      The way I look at it, it’s not overtime if you work to make up, days lost on picket.
      We can work 44hrs without collecting OT.

  • 29 yr tech says:

    When you have two sides equally stuburn its time to consider Bindining Arbitration. As a 29 years cupw worker I cannot member a time when both sides ever come to an agreement.
    On another note telling the members not to work overtime, but it’s OK to lose pay during rotating strikes and not be able to make up for it. Sounds like our union cares less about the workers, family and mortgages that don’t pay themselves.

    • The true OT says:

      @29 yr tech, If without OT you can’t support for living, Then CPC need to ban all your over time. Just hiring more temp to replace all OT to save money. In my experience, folks slow down the normal working speed especially in plant maintenance to get OT. I have a lot of friend who is tech maintenance did the same things.

    • Matt says:

      Binding arbitration is the way to go but in the future use some of those union funds to hire a professional negotiation team that has no emotional ties to the negotiation just dollars and sense and issues if you take emotion out of the equation you’re more likely To reach an agreement.

      • Coffee Girl says:

        @ Matt…oh yes! But CUPW wants to save face and would never hire honest,professional negotiators.Why? #1. It would take away from the party fund and #2. Someone honest? 3. Wouldn’t want to get a contract lickety split because it would take away their 2 minutes of air time….

  • LCiO says:

    Lololol….judging by one of the comments posted is that ‘Koolaid’ makes you very Paranoid? That’s why I’ll drink my coffee? Sippy cup or not? It seems to me that they may have confused sippy cup drinkers for their Union? Anyways drink up…cheers

  • Regular Joe says:

    You know what pays your wages? Canadian Tire and all of the other flyers and heavy mail you are complaining about. Stop talking about being overwhelmed and go somewhere else if you can’t do it anymore. At some point, we all get too old to do the same job for twenty years. There are thousands of CPC jobs you could have done…not the company’s fault you didn’t apply yourself.

  • Curiosity says:

    Just for thought:
    I would like to start up an urban and rural parcels/packets (all trackable items) delivery as a private contractor for Canada Post.
    Who is on board?
    All my reward is 1% from your net income before tax calculated monthly.
    If you are in red I get none.

  • Marie says:

    Neither side cares about us.

    Canada Post cancelled STDP. CUPW was given the chance to cover our premiums and failed to do it.

    Now cupw is calling rotating strikes(to avoid paying strike pay) resulting in double or triple delivery for carriers while delivering canadian tire and we have no stdp if we get injured.

    I am disgusted by both sides. The office workers for both parties are sitting around, getting paid and submitting expenses while we lose money and deliver heavy mail.

    I attend national convention and cannot wait to vote to replace every single cupw executive

  • Curiosity says:

    It is the time to sit back, to see, and to restart from the left off with questions on what we have done.
    Months gone by with no issues resolved? What did we do wrong? Why CPC not support CUPW;s demands? What makes CPC think we are not the backbone of the successful corporation? We all have these answers.
    We have to know what CPC’s expectations and tailor to their goals while negotiate our needs vs demands as they are sounded hostile.

    Rules and conditions in negotiation/bargaining should be respected and to be applied such as:
    RSMC, urban, APOC, PSAC, CPAA, EXEMP…should all be independently.
    We all need a contract that best suite to win-win situation for all sides.

    Striking/lockout is the last solution where no body win. CUPW should learn from your mistake cause you did it once and failed in blaming the Harper regime. This time again on rotating strike is merely a political challenge to the new government. Other than the 50,000+ members’ support, are there other influence parties involved? May be not.

    We as human like to complain on any given issues and any given working conditions but please do not consider those as bargaining on the table, it sounds foolish to me.

    $35.00 or $45.00per hour will never solve the living standard on the year 4th of our employment contract besides, it never solved our hazardous working conditions.

    We all said there are too many supervisors on the floor cause CPC believes they are there to solve our problems and concerns such as overburden work and force OT. I hope this comment site is the beginning of the disciplinary actions against the unproductive, incompetence, abusive, and disqualified team leaders.

    Hour work with hour paid apply to those new hire and under train or may be consider in flat rate hourly work cause some can finish in variable time and it is the questions to be solve by supervisors.
    So please CPC hire qualify team leaders thus there won’t be these mess as today.

  • Mortified says:

    With very few exceptions I have met two types of workers In my lifetime. The first are people that don’t belong to a union. The second are people that wish they didn’t.

  • Disgusted says:

    If it is your union you are welcome to it. I wish we were a right to work jurisdiction. You could go picket and the other 9 out of 10 people could walk past your thin line. If people had a choice this union would have died in 1997.

  • Vote NO says:

    We have over 50000 members, why only a small group of people try to get rid of our CUPW union. What about other members? Less than 1% member post here. So I will vote NO on your comment who want to get rid my union.

    • Joseph says:

      It’s quite simple … look around and see how many other unions constantly go out on strike. Every other union settles BEFORE the strike deadline. NOT CUPW they always go out and get less when they finally get legislated back.. Great union for $90 per month LOL

  • Walk all day says:

    At our depot, Most of us are support to strike. But they are afraid to make post here. Together we will win. I know you are not happy so what? I don’t care.

    • PO5 says:

      @Walk all day…I hope they are not afraid to make posts here,because the Coffee room and sippy cup crowd might go after them… Because they might write in support of our union and our company coming to a fair negotiated contract…Never be afraid of the faceless fear mongering bullies here…Their comments are more amusing then anything else…Cheers

  • PO5 says:

    Legislating back to work will not be so easy this time..The government can threaten back to work legislation all it wants…Take time to read the ruling our union won…and look at the legal hoops the Federal government has to now jump through to prove back to work legislation is justified…This will probably have to be settled at the table…There is a outside chance that both sides could agree to a issue by issue arbitration…That is set up to be fair to both sides…Not like what happened last time…Stay away from the trolls sippy cup…And lets hope our company and our union can come to a agreement soon….

    • Mark says:

      @PO5…What’s the matter? OT ban holding you back from doing RDO? Government is God, they can do whatever they want…they will just get a slap on the wrist like the Harper Government did…and how long did it take the court to rule that what the Harper Government did was unconstitutional? 5, 6 years after the event? I don’t think the Liberals are too worried

      • PO5 says:

        @Mark..Your bullying and insults don’t work here…Take your sippy cup else where….Other then that enjoy the weekend…Cheers…

        • Mark says:

          @PO5…Who’s bullying? You were the one at the beginning of all this stating on here numerous times…’RDO again tonight at the Plant’ while everyone else was getting their OT cut…how we conveniently forget something such as that…each time you post something, you make a total ass of yourself because you have not one iota of you’re talking about… narcissism knows no bounds…

        • Coffee Girl says:

          @ PO5….lol..well that’s the Pot calling the Kettle black! Cheers to you too!

    • LC23 says:

      This is just another terrible plan by a terrible union
      Many customers won’t come back to Canada Post. We will all suffer the consequences. CUPW is fighting for their own gains and not for the majority of its members. BRING US A CONTRACT TO VOTE ON !

      • Doug says:

        Not true. Last time around, and the time before, people said that customers wouldn’t come back, and they did. Face reality: Canada Post is very competitive and the largest parcel delivery company in Canada. They will remain very competitive and the largest parcel delivery in Canada for some time. Period.

        • Robert in Calgary says:

          Hello Doug, you write – “Canada Post is very competitive and the largest parcel delivery company in Canada. They will remain very competitive and the largest parcel delivery in Canada for some time. Period.” That’s true Doug, until it isn’t. In a Bull Market, folks ask, how long will it last? The market will keep going up, until it doesn’t. What would it take Doug for your statement to no longer be true? Is it your view that the companies that send out tons of parcels never talk to each other? Ponder possibilities and What if’s? What happens when a few of them want a change and even toss in some money to make it happen? Eaton’s used to be on top too. And then it wasn’t.

        • PO5 says:

          @Doug…The points you make are real facts..And should help ease some of the anxiety to our fellow CPC employees..Thank you for that..But the sippy cup and coffee room crowd don’t care about facts…For them it is just about bullying,insulting,and fear mongering…But all in all I still wish them a enjoyable weekend…Here is to our company and our union finding common ground…And bring us a fair contract to vote on…Cheers…

  • somethingsmellsbad says:

    Well everyone needs to crab a brain and stop going on the picket line. Show CUPW that they are wrong and have lost the support of Urban Unit. Why is everyone so scared of not listening to the union. THEY HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING IN 20 YEARS NOW FOR URBAN! Go and strike for free and now no overtime? REALLY who are they working for?? They are killing us! WAKE UP PEOPLE LETS GET RID OF CUPW! AND I AM NOT A TROLL I HAVE BEEN A LETTER CARRIER FOR 12 YEARS AND CAN’T BELIEVE HOW EVERYONE IS SO SCARED TO STAND UP AGAINST A UNION THAT ONLY PROTECTS THE PEOPLE THAT NEED TO BE FIRED! JUST LIKE THE CUPW PRES Mike! Last time i checked Canada Post Signs my Check

    • Donna says:

      @somethingsmellsbad….you are so right. A bunch of scared chickens. This is what the union had done to these people. I have stood up to the union from day one and they stopped even trying to harass me. I wanted to work ot I did. They did not control me. Retired now and happy to be away from them. Please people, understand the union is actually powerless, unless you give them the power. Question them, watch them back down from you, it is really quite entertaining. Work the overtime, stay off the picket line.

    • Outdoor team says:

      @somethingsmellsbad, I don’t understand what are you talking about. You have been a L/C in 12 years and you are complain union do nothing for you in 20 years before you join our team.

  • Ukiah says:

    Canadians are tired of CUPW striking so frequently, and they have a right to be. Every second year or so the CUPW stikes and Canadians are made to pay for it. It’s no wonder why Canadians have an ongoing distaste for CUPW members.
    Further, from reading these comments, I truly believe Canada Post employees need to be re-schooled in their language/writing skills. Half of these comments look like they’re written by elementary school children.

    • Sore feet says:

      Why for you make fun of CUPW workers?….not all workers born in Canada. This site is for union talk and complaining…LOL.
      Seriously though…..there are a few grammatical errors from posters and we have to accept, that not all members are English majors or have great lingustic skills. This should be a minor annoyance given the more serious problem CUPW members are having. This mess is getting worse each day. So much drama and rotating strikes are having no affect on CPC. Hundreds of CUPW employees are out 1-2 days pay..no strike pay. This is nuts!!!. What about the marijuanna delivery, this is a Government initiative and CPC is the only method to receive marijuanna legally in Canada. This whole mess could be a co-opertive operation between CPC/CUPW and the Government as there is so much demand for pot and not enough of it.

      Any how…another day and no settlement in site…..going to watch tv….check your bulletins daily for update on which cities are out next.

  • Raking in the overtime says:

    I will take any overtime that Canada Post will offer. Period…none of us knows what the future will bring. Will it be a full out strike? If is it will last for a long long time as the government will not be able to legislate us back. My life, my family, my mortgage come well before the needs or wants of the union. Christmas will come no matter what and I will stock pile the money from overtime to enjoy the gift giving season. No third class union will tell me not to take overtime. Who do they think they are.

  • MAM11C2 says:

    Privatize and get ride of us all , that’s where this is headed.

  • Robert in Calgary says:

    Hello everyone, my first comment of this Labour Unrest Season. 1 – Of all the unions in Canada, shouldn’t CUPW be at the forefront of electronic or online voting with a truly spread out membership? Of course, making it easier to vote and having a few thousand more folks voting would dilute the power of the hard left folks who are usually at the top. 2 – Reading the info put out by both sides, does it really seem we’re going to get a negotiated settlement? It seems rather unlikely which leads me to… 3 – If the two sides don’t agree to go to binding arbitration in the next few days, might as well lock us out on Saturday, November 10th. CUPW overplays its hand. Invite Parliament to “Save Christmas for Canadians”. Give Parliament, say, 11 calendar days to get things done. Quicker would be nicer but it might take Justin a few days to feel the pressure to act. 4 – If there’s no lockout and no arbitration….will we have eight weeks of Christmas gong show operations and an union trying to order folks not to work overtime? Ha!

    • LCiO says:

      @Robert…they should also have a third party hold votes? Only CUPW can hold important votes over one day and most times during the day when most of us work, and you have to sit for a couple of hrs to listen to their spiel? That’s a good one turn the clocks back to the 70’s? They all wore their ‘Hippie’ costumes for ‘Halloween’ again. But keeping these archaic measures allows them to maintain control?

  • PO5 says:

    Now that the mediator’s time is up..The shrill of the trolls will grow louder with threats and insults(see below)…And will do all they can to get you to drink from their sippy cup…Have some resolve..And some faith that our company and our union will work this out…

  • Ghjk says:

    Every update is about RSMCs.

    I do not care at all. That is not my contract or business. Focus on what matters to urban. Enough has been done for the minority group.

    Government, please end the union power trip and legislate us back. This won’t end any other way. You heard the union, millions of wages lost due to rotating strikes and nothing has happened at the negotiating table. Just the workers losing money every single day.

    • Outdoor walk says:

      @Ghjk, Every update is about key issue rejected by Canada Post just post by CUPW. Together we will win. We have two contract our contract have a lot of key issue not resolved and rsmc only have few issue not resolved. We are two different contract. If our contract key issue not resolved. What do you want us to do? Read update before you post. We have to divide our indoor from our contract. Because they are over pay jsut sitting indoor. I think you too..

      • Fred Smith says:

        Overpay excuse me but the urban are not all overpay especially the one that got screw in the 2013 wage …

      • Ghjk says:

        @outdoor walk

        I read the update. The one that said we are determined to get rsmcs an hourly wage. I am not determined to do that. I’m determined to get single bundle and routes under 20 km for walkers. I am a foot walk.

        Of course inside workers need a different contract. They need a wage freeze for a few years. The fact that they make more than $21-22 is an insult to everyone else. Freeze their wages and give letter carriers a proper wage instead. Based on market value, insiders are incredibly overpaid. This won’t happen as long as cupw represents us.

        RSMCs may have a different contract but you are crazy if you think they are negotiated separately. Urban could be handed a great deal and the union would not let us sign it unless the RSMCs got one. Urban is the more powerful unit and used as pawns to fight for someone else’s contract.

        • Sick of it says:

          @ Outdoor walk and GHJK

          Very sick and tired of hearing how inside workers are lazy and do nothing, that we should make less then the outside workers!!!! Lets take for example, the WOW catalogs, how many days did the letter carriers get to have them done…9??? Well the inside workers had 1. How many catalogs did you have to carry in one day?? In my office, that has 5 inside workers, got over 3000 catalogs. I started by first having to lift all the containers out of the mono, 45 Wow catalogs in each container, 67 containers. How many catalogs do you carry at a time? Then I get to lift all of these catalogs and sort to each route. So how many catalogs have I now lifted??? Then I get to lift and carry them while I put them in the boxes?? So how many catalogs have I now lifted and carried???? All in my 4 hrs shift? I don’t no how this is done in a big plant but in a small office 1 person maybe 2 if you are lucky get to do this job. So if we say 2 people split this work evenly, that means I have lifted and lugged 33.5 container of 45 catalog out of a mono because they just don’t magically unload themselves on a cart for me to sort, then I have lifted 2 routes worth of catalogs to routes and then I have put 900 catalog into boxes, all in one 4 hr shift. So how many catalogs did you carry in 4 hrs?? Probably not that many right? I also on this day had to unload all monos that came on the truck, sort all mail for the inside workers and the routes and then put it away. And guess what if I happened to get done before my shift was over I get to stay at work for my WHOLE shift to get paid for it and if more work comes in I get to do that too!! So I am by no means saying that letter carriers have an easy job by any means but please stop making it sound like inside workers do nothing and deserve less. I appreciate the job that letter carriers do and have never said that the have it easy but please stop putting inside workers down. If you think it is so easy then you have the option to transfer inside. Then you can lift and lug all the flyers for no extra pay, have only one day to do them and stay your whole shift to get your 8 hours pay. We all have different jobs and should try to appreciate what others do.

          • Ghjk says:

            I worked inside. It was significantly easier and less risky work.

            I choose to work outside because the PO4s get so bored that the day is full of pettiness and rumours. Not interested in that environment

            Look at how other companies pay their inside workers. Clearly overpaid at CPC. I believe purolator inside workers max out at under $22

          • Support to Rise says:

            @Sick of it, i am agree with you ,the indoor members are not over pay. But for the outdoor members are 100% below standard pay. CPC need to improve and rise the wages for outdoor members. At least pay outdoor member $35.00/hr to start at today living standard.

  • post mortem says:

    Brothers and Sisters…..no wait, did I see you at the breakfast table growing up? So anyway, the union in its desperation seems to think they can tell us what to do as far as overtime goes. Who pays our wages? They don’t. We’re paying a thousand bucks a year and they can’t , or are not willing, to cover even a half day’s pay for those effected by rotating strikes. Tensions and stress are running high now. I see it at my depot every time the union gathers us for their talk. I see less and less support and more people fed up with their antics. The final CPC offer, while not the greatest is something I would vote on to end this BS….oh wait, we can vote to strike but not vote on the offer. The union will screw us just like they did in 2011.. Job security? How can we have job security when we start losing customers thanks to a body that holds CPC and MY JOB hostage with their 1970’s thinking. Wake up people, Canada Post is losing it’s relevance, just like CUPW.

  • Disgusted says:

    If the union didn’t threaten people they would have no power. Inside every union zealot there is a little bully and a little thug. They are like a piranha one by itself is a coward but two or more pretty brave.

    • Spike Allen says:

      I am a shop steward and not a union zealot. Nor am I a bully or thug. I am a positive carrier who would help anybody. I see that both the union and management have strengths but both have weaknesses. I am trying to make a difference in bridging the gap. I still love my job and feel grateful for it. We can’t lump everyone in the same. Lets get a solution to this impasse.

  • dazed and confused says:

    This is ridiculous, 10 months have passed since contract ended and all that is happening, is the employees are losing a day or two of pay, have no holidays or personal days, were about to lose out on getting paid for remembrance day , any chance of retroactive pay before Christmas has evaporated. morale is low, losing customers. Having been through this charade since the 80s, I have no confidence in this unioun, their track record is deplorable, glad this is my last contract, if we do get one

    • Scott says:

      Just checked the Canada Labor Code and it states that Remembrance Day is a general holiday and as such all employees are to be given a paid day off. If it falls on a non scheduled working day i.e. Saturday or Sunday it moves to the employees next working day. So CPC will have no choice but to pay us if this insane rotating strike activity continues.

  • trying to stay out of it says:

    Breaking news from Gateway…acting chief shop steward came around threatening members with “consequences” if they worked overtime. Says she knows nothing about shop stewards working ot. Told us CP are paying casuals $14 an hour. Absolute lie. Management are posting tons of overtime however, you are no longer required to sign your name saying you’ll stay. That would make it too easy for the shop stewards to know who is working the ot. Now they have to wander around the plant and look for themselves. I think CP is posting all this ot just to p—off the union because there’s not enough mail to justify any ot. Arguments and stressed out employees every day in here and people still working ot.

    • LCiO says:

      @Trying to stay out… any threats towards an employee of CPC is a form of workplace violence? When our shop stupid read us the riot act about OT they were very careful to reiterate the Union is only asking? And today I managed to clean my whole walk up (except for Can Tire catalogues) and booked 1 1/2 hrs? If the Corp is willing to pay me to earn a living I’ll gratefully accept and if CUPW does not want me too than call a full out strike which I will not picket because the first time I did we were not out long enough to get paid and the second time the sign up sheet was misplaced? I also recieved two grateful Thank You for delivering Social Assistance Checks. which I’d rather do than serving the Slimeballs at CUPW NC.

    • Outdoor walk says:

      @trying to stay out of it, We need divide indoor and outdoor in two contract. Or tick indoor members out. Maybe you guys are over pay to work indoor. Too selfish indoor members at gateway.

  • No Hope says:

    CPC have 22 VP vote NO for our demands of key issue to protect their job and bonus. NO HOPE get ready.

  • J.c. says:

    Ottawa have been notified that hrs worked hrs paid.

  • Mark says:

    CUPW posts the number of employees that are going out on strike at that particular station…let’s remember one thing…there is a difference between the number of employees that actually join the picketing line and the number of employees that CUPW posts according to that station’s Roster…you want proof? Simply look at the pictures CUPW posts and you will see at each station, it is just a handful….

  • generosity says:

    I don’t know what other plants are experiencing but our depot is forming a little divisive group about who picked and who did not. I personally had jabs made at me the day after cause I was not here on the line.
    I talked with a carrier yesterday. We agreed the union is playing into the hands of the CPC. We worked harder just to get caught up only to get it done. All this for one day less pay? We need CUPW leadership that one respects and wants to follow.
    I am not sure if this is so but I hear the CUPW Executive is getting paid during this strike while we are not.
    Canada Post hired me and I hired CUPW. Can you please remember that CUPW. I expect some work from you.

  • PJTIPPS says:

    CP does not need to pay the CEO 500k per year + bonus not to mention 10 Vice Presidents and 5 Chiefs.
    What does that equate to? 12 LC for every CEO, 8 LC for every Vice President and 6 LC for every Chief?
    If CP is so poor why are they so top heavy?

    One of the worst records for safety and mgmt. Highest employee turnover in the Federal sector. Pay equity gong show. Not one Government has or wants to deal with the nightmare of canada post.

    This is a Crown Corp. Why are these huge executive salaries being paid? Why do any of these executives actually deserve a bonus after years of absolute fudge ups?

    Pay your employees a decent wage. Temps stuck at the same rate indefinitely and then another 7 year climb?
    Shame on CP
    Shame onthe Feds for putting up with this organised gang of executives

  • inter says:

    3% voted to give CUPW power to strike ,becouse you were to lazy to go vote.Problems started years back when CUPW was running low on money and came up with idea to sign up RSMCs.CPC has only one pot of money if you give to RSMC you have to take from Urban .pay equite cost 260 mil$ no money left for us !! for 8 bil$ a year corp we make low profit and now wil loose money as all parcels are leaving but Union Bosses dont care as most are close to ritirement (if any $ left) or have these socialist ideas .and Please stop BS with Postal Banking it is so 20th century .

    • Resigned says:

      About the vote… Your argument would hold water if the vote was conducted by an external, indipented agency… But as it is, it does not matter how many people show up to vote, the results will be what the union wants them to be, period. So, ya… We’re in trouble with this bunch of clowns.

    • Outdoor says:

      @inter, You are totally wrong information, CUPW union not only work for Canada Post member also work for others factor member, cuw transforce etc. I don’t think union have any problem of money..Where did you get those information or just make us divide? We only need to divide inter and outer

  • Disgusted says:

    @doug What are you smoking? In summer 2016 we were offered a much better contract a signing bonus and a four year contract. After union’s stupidity we got a 2 year contract less money no bonus and loss in flyer pay and fewer restrictions on them . It is the three percent of our membership like you that is causing this to happen.

    • I want out! says:

      Correction we got a one year contract. Only reason it’s two years later , they have been at the table for almost a year. Lock them in a room , don’t let them leave till a deal is done. I said it before, 95% of our contract will be the same . This is not NAFTA. They need to give and take on both sides. Safety should be number one for both sides. A decent wage increase , maybe 2 to 2.5 percent. This is our busiest time of the year. Most of our profits our made in November and December. GET IT DONE ASAP!

  • Disgusted says:

    Does everyone realize that the union could have paid the premiums to keep all people on std covered? They had ample warning and opportunity to protect their “brothers and sister”. They are just too cheap.

  • greed says:

    Canada Post has close to 2000 job openings again? Why could that be?

  • Postie says:

    Make it safe! Make it home! MAKE IT SO CANADA POST NEGOTIATORS! With the highest injury rates, how do any CP management sleep at night knowing you have put people out there for so many hours in so many unsafe working conditions! Despicable that you cut people off their disability payments when they were injured on the job. Enjoy your bonuses! They come on the backs of many whose lives are permanently ruined.

    • coco says:

      High injury rates are I think at the core of these rotating strikes. If these workloads and forced overtime are not reduced
      then workers will suffer increased physical and mental stress.This situation needs to be resolved on this contract.

  • LCiO says:

    I just read a news report that the PM is looking at introducing a bill to give Federally Regulated Employees more Personal Days?

  • greg says:

    YES!! FINALLY A BAN ON OVERTIME. No overtime for me. To show support for members who have been and members who are on strike.

  • Gateway gal says:

    Dear Canada Post Corporation, I am here to ask you why you just not give us want we want and we can all carry on with our normal lives? I do not know if you realize that here in Gateway after 2 days of no mail moving that WE…. the Workers, have almost caught up with everything from the yard.
    Why do you, Canada Post Corporation think we don’t deserve to be rewarded for working as hard as we do to keep Canada Post running and for us to go home, afford to eat and pay the bills?
    Ty

    • 807PO5 says:

      that’s the problem they don’t realize how much pride we take in our jobs and how hard we work of course we don’t get 33% bonuses like our CEO or the 22 Vice Presidents who manage this corporation the truth is THEYRE JUST TOO DAMN GREEDY!…

    • Postie! says:

      “Give us what we want” you sound like a bratty 10 yr old.
      Say you worked hard to clear a back up of mail? You can blame any back up in mail squarely on the union and these useless rotating strikes.
      CUPW’s latest sad attempt at controlling is members with there “OT ban” woke quite a few people up at our plant. They are in no more of a position to “ban you from taking OT” than your neighbors dog is. Completely out of touch.
      Love their little moniker “representing 50000 members”

  • Realist says:

    Management has lawyers and accountants working on their behalf. We have the pretentious people that don’t want to do real work fighting some unbeknownst struggle on ours. It’s no wonder we get killed every contract. They are just better educated and smarter

    • Had Enough says:

      I vote that CUPW hires professionals to stand up for us during contact talks, not employee volunteers. We can afford it. Then I would know some of my unions dues are going to end up benefitting me instead of for seminars for people who just want off the work floor. …As for the over-time ban. It should have been stated when the 72 hour strike notice was given but the unions leaders can’t agree. Members who voted to strike have doing OT since the announcement. What a joke. Let’s just sign and get it over with so good workers who need to support their families can do OT.

  • sore feet says:

    I think PO4 Mail Clerks should get $35 per hour too!!…We have to sit for long durations and sort mail and look up postal codes. This is hard on our eyes, shoulders, arms/hands and buttocks. It’s been 9 months now folks and still no contract!!..now we’re asked to not do OT…seriously???….Does anyone know my name or care if I do OT?. Kiss your three pay’s in November good bye. We will all be shivering in the dark, as it rains in the park at meal time very soon!!. I couldn’t care less who does OT or how much they do…it’s their life and their right. Canada Post…you are ridiculous. Please do not praise us if and when this mess is cleared up. I hold you and CUPW equally responsible for this mess. Clearly, you have no intention of upping the pay and you will bleed us dry and make life miserable for employees and customers alike.

    CPC can create change in policy and procedures in a matter of hours, when it suits them. To work co-operativley with CUPW goes against your philosiphy.

    Have a good sleep everyone. November 1st is 2 hours away….lets hope for a miracle!!.

  • generosity says:

    With Christmas coming and it is the time for giving, how about negotiating that the RSMC’s get our same wage and the rest stay Status Quo on wages.Would that settle this contract?

    • Our Contract First says:

      @generosity, we have two different contract. let’s get rid of rsmc contract. We need a new 2 contract for us and indoor.
      Are you indoor or outdoor?

  • DG says:

    I hate to say it , but, it’s time to convert mail delivery to CMB’s.
    Bring back MSC positions for all parcels only delivery, including RPO delivery and clearance and on demand pick ups.
    Delivery Agents concentrate on regular mail, flyers, small packets/registered letters and where necessary SLB clearances and that’s it.
    I speak from experience, being a Carrier. I believe this will eliminate many of the issues physically and logistically., of coarse there is no perfect system, there will always be injuries but this may mitigate some.
    Now , there will be those who will say jobs will be lost, Yes, may lose DA jobs but will gain MSC jobs.
    And well, the public will just have to get use to it., including me.

  • West coast letter carrier says:

    So is the purpose of rotating strikes to punish the Corporation? Because I feel like myself and my co-workers are the ones being punished. I just got home from a brutal day. My back is aching me and there is a ton of mail sitting waiting for me for tomorrow. I also lost a day’s wages this week. The union complains about over-burdening. Well I was just over burdened today and will be the rest of the week and the Corporation had nothing to do with it. Please settle this NOW!

  • Fed up with it all says:

    @watch out. I was an LC for 11 years and loved it. Finally transferred inside after my knee gave out from lugging 70 lbs on my back up and down stairs every day. Did my job by the book not using short cuts. Never went up broken stairs. Why would you? If you get hurt CP would not cover you because you shouldn’t being doing unsafe acts. Good luck trying to get $35 an hour. Hope you get it. Just remember CP is not stupid.

  • Mortified says:

    Every local union president needs to say no to this nonsense. The more support the union gets the sooner it will be over. That statement is a lie. This would be over tomorrow if the silent majority would just say no. Binding arbitration with a five year contract or your strike will be ignored. 10% or less are making this happen.

  • Are you for real? says:

    Does CUPW really believe that banning us from working overtime will get them a better deal. All that does is first off, anger their permanent members and secondly, play into CP’s hand. Now CP will call casuals to handle the backlog instead of offering us ot. If this were your company how would you handle a backlog…pay someone $19 an hour or pay someone else $40 an hour for the same work.

    • Coffee Girl says:

      OK CUPW..ordering people not to work OT? What’s next? Telling us when to eat, drink and sleep? Get off your high horse, face reality…The 70s and 80s are gone…You want to be a Communist party? Then move to Russia…oh wait…you’ve probably visited there many times on our 90$ a month we pay you to DO NOTHING.

  • Fed up with it all says:

    For all you outdoor workers who are complaining about the walking conditions and dog bites and icy sidewalks etc, etc. I understand where you are coming from as I was a LC for 11 years. Do you honestly think that CP will pay you $35 an hour for your hardship? They’ll be thinking of your hardship when they cancel all home deliveries and convert them to CMB’s. That way you won’t have to worry about icy sidewalks, dog bites and rain.

    • Watch out says:

      @Fed up with it all, Sorry still dog bites, rain, snow, sun even convert to cmb. We still need to attend to door for personnel item. Are you sure you are LC?Or another PSAC member folks watch out>>>>

  • Scott says:

    I just heard there was a conference call with management and they have been told there will be no lockout. If you were relying on that to trigger legislation, guess again. I have to say CUPW’s comments from yesterday make no sense. They started by saying that there has been no movement by management on the “key” issues and then later on say that the rotating strikes are working. Huh? Our NEB is capable of reading comprehension right? For those of you suggesting CMB conversion you have no idea what you are asking for. We had it done and lost half our routes. Our daily scanning packets and parcels are two to three times as much as anywhere else and the routes are all 1200 -1500 calls.

  • Walk to hard says:

    Today walk condition very bad. Road very slippy to walk. I feel very hard to walk. I request to rise our wage to standard min $35 to start to all outdoor folks.You know how many injury on duty claim for outdoor folks last year??? Almost reach 800 claim most of them are outdoor member. Not surprise Dog bite, slippy floor, icy floor, broken stair etc. .

  • Donna says:

    Wow, CUPW has some nerve telling its members not to work any overtime. I find it so hard to believe that they think members are that stupid and will follow their commands like a dog. The power has gone to their heads. They see that there has been no impact to the public by their rotating strikes and they can not afford to pay strike pay so they are desperate. I remember when PSAC was on strike to save everyones sick time and CUPW crossed their lines everyday to do overtime. One of these days cupw members will rise up against this union and take their jobs back but it probably will not be today. Cupw will have to run you to the ground and leave track marks on your faces before enough of you say ” enough is enough” I know this because I use to be cupw and am so happy to have them out of my life. Good luck people, you need it.

    • LCiO says:

      RSMC’s have their own collective agreement stop leaning on the Urban CA to get you everything we already fought for?

    • PSAC again. says:

      @Donna, You are PSAC member. Why you are here? If I listen to you not to follow then i just like your dog. Your voice like to order us. I will not follow you or CUPW order. But I will not OT.

      • Donna says:

        No I was cupw. I am now retired. Sorry to disappoint you. I know it would make you feel better to think I am PSAC but no I am not, however I was on their picket line everyday when they were on strike because I knew CUPW would be next to loose sick time. I was right. I have seen, for myself cupw members follow the union like little puppies. It disgusted me then and it still disgusts me know.

  • Are you ready says:

    Folks, Full strike coming soon get ready.

  • Wage need rise says:

    Brothers and Sisters we need a new union who’s can fight for us for a new starting wage $35/hr 5 level to $40/hr *outdoor member only*. Our outdoor working condition is extremely difficult in North America.

    • LC23 says:

      We need a real negotiating team. Not a bunch of people that rode the union gravey train right to the negotiating table. What a joke. Such a sad union with a terrible plan

  • Disgusted says:

    We got a bonus one year but then the union went on strike the following year and that ended. We also lost sick time that same strike because union was too pig headed to accept binding arbitration on the subject. Don’t say we were locked out. Union was on rotating strikes for 12 days prior.

  • Outdoor difficult to work says:

    I am 200% agree outdoor member should get more. I got a dog bite a couple of time. I fall on icy street almost every winter. Customer complaint a lot missing mails, missing parcel etc. Sometime feel very hard to continue my job. Our wage need to rise At least $35/hr to start I saw so many new hire walk in an walk out in just a few weeks time. Even a couple of year. So 1 am agree we should have a new contract for indoor and outdoor member.

    • Simplecpcguy says:

      For all you people that are complaining how much DHL,TIMS and also to the one that can’t spell PUROLATOR, IF YOU GUYS AREN’T HAPPY WITH CANADA POST THEN LEAVE AND GO WORK FOR ANOTHER COMPANY, THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO START BLAMING CPC OR CUPW. ALL YOU PEOPLE HERE LIKE COMPLAINING JUST BE HAPPY YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD PAYING JOB AND A VERY GOOD PENSION.

      • You again says:

        @Simplecpcguy, Do you know how to typing in properly way? No spelling mistake. But need to learn how to type. Your language sound like a boss. Another indoor staff member from other union here.

        • Simplecpcguy says:

          You again, talk about typing, you need to learn how to speak English first and then type. Secondly if you don’t like the way I TYPING then just keep reading, thirdly I didn’t know your Nostradamus saying I’m management, lastly a message to everyone was at that there is no need to try and be a hero and think they know everything. We have to just wait and see what happens, all of us here have no control on what’s going on but we do have control in what we say

  • C says:

    Do some research on the internet folks! Courier jobs average between $10.00 to $28.00 an hour and the inside processing folks usually make less. No overtime until a full 8 hour day has been put in, up to 7 years to get to 2 weeks vacation, Provincial standards for sick time, no pre-retirement leave, and all round inferior benefits. Other companies can hire right to part-time, weekend, evening, night shifts rather than having people sitting on a call in list for years. You sitting on a list for years is all about the union not management. CUPW needs to be more flexible about how work is structured to allow for more part time and weekend jobs for flexibility in hiring. You are asking for more money than someone in a skilled job that requires specialized training or college/university education. Everyone starts at a lower wage and goes up in increments. Its the way wages are EVERYWHERE.

  • Outdoor girl says:

    Outdoor member should get more is true. We are facing a very difficult situation every day. Weather , customer and over burdening work load. Today is rain day, my flyer and mails stick together. Also customer complaint a lot of our service or missing mails..We are facing a lot of hard time than the indoor member. If I have chance I will bump indoor member to outdoor work. Let them to try it. My point is we should divide indoor and outdoor member in 2 different contract. Also our wage should rise to $35.00/hr as per other courier competitor. Is time to rise our wage to pay equal.

  • Enough with that... says:

    When I got hired, one incentive was yearly bonuses for all employees, never got any…how come VPs and managers are getting some every years? Big country club! Government should clean up that mess and not the union, union is another country club that needs a clean up! My only yearly bonus is the 500$ I spend every year when my kids come back from school with head lices and pinworms, our insurance don’t even cover does everyday problems!

  • Ghjk says:

    Hoping for back to work legislation at this point.

    CUPW will not give in on anything or be reasonable for a rew reasons.

    1- ego. They like seeing the power they hold by forcing people out. They misinterpret forced strikes as support.

    2- elections. Convention is next year and they’re all running for re-election. Most workers may not like this, but most don’t get to vote. Only the diehards are invited to convention and they love this show of power at any cost. It’s a political move to appeal to the base. Voted out means working on the floor again and no more expense reimbursement. They were on shakey ground due to some very shady drama.

    3- they need big gains. Initiating a strike put them in a situation where they need massive gains or people will be furious. You can’t take money out of pockets(unpaid STDP, vacations, personal days and strike days of course) only to gain an extra tiny bit of money. They now have to force us to stay out until CPC gives in on something big. I think they believed CPC woukd give in more easily and miscalculated this.

    We need back to work legislation to end this madness. Even committed unionists and members of local executives are starting to see through.

    I support unions and want to remain unionized. But also want a union with real negotiators and realistic demands.

  • Mark says:

    Where will the next strike location be? Palestine or Cuba?

  • Outdoor rain says:

    Brother MAM11C2, If our demands not resolved. How we vote??? You should be indoor member. Rain day again.Too bad to work for outdoor member. We need more for our wage. Because we out door are working hard.

  • MAM11C2 says:

    Remove RSMC’s from the equation and our contract will get signed. As far as I know there are two separate contracts so why is it that groups 1 to 4 are hug up.
    If I was CPC I would just privatize and get on with it.
    30 Years of this foolishness as a clerk and tech is enough for me.
    Our union is never satisfied, but they do like to spend our money and leave the strike fund almost empty.

  • CPC need Change says:

    I am worry CPC final finance report will see RED. Or this is the dirty way to bring back stop door to door and laid off the higher pay. Actually there are many ways to save money to run CPC.
    1. reduce all uniform point, make all uniform same color. different color cost more money.
    2. reduce OT(OT need 1.5) hire more temp agent pay as same wage can save 0.5 wage.Also no over burdening issue.
    3. reduce V.P. & director position cutting bonus.%
    4. reduce gasoline mini truck change etruck, $1.5 electricity cost can run almost 200 km compare with gas need $35.00 for 200km( 1L/ 6.5km)
    5. Outsources telephone center( I think she did)
    6. reduce allowance to all higher level employee
    7. reduce all paper pay statement switch to statement.
    8. reduce number of coffee team supervisor in each depot.
    9. Keep urban walk route, convert rural walk L/C to cmb.

  • Shame on YOU says:

    Brothers and Sisters, Do you know how many vice president in CPC? Over 20
    Every year those people with big bonus check. This year you guys better vote YES to our demands before your bonus gone. None of one demands resolved. ARE you sure CPC? The early settle the early we can get back to business. We don’t want to strike. Maybe you guys don’t care. Because CPC pay you well enough for your whole life. Shame on YOU.

  • Pay Equal Now says:

    CPC New hire position call temp delivery agent=walk=mobile. All perform the same duty no gender issue. Temp agent finished his work as walk and mobile. But the basic pay is much less than walk and mobile even working as the same route. Why temp should got less return? Is it fair? When temp got less pay who’s getting the benefits? CPC get those blood and sweat money from our temp member Shame on CPC. Using different name and position title to divide us even we are perform the same working condition. Most of country postal system they don’t divide mail carrier into different group. Because employer offer same wage and benefits to all. Postman or Mail carrier is common name to use around the world. They all got the same wage and benefits no matter you work in urban or rural area. They all call postman. But why CPC try to divide all of us? Benefits for herself. I don’t see around the world any post office divide their postman to get benefits except CPC .Shame again. Even the ruling of pay equity report stated that CPC should not divide mail carrier into different group and give different wage and benefits. Enough now pay equal to all of us. Wage increase the same to all of us included indoor, outdoor, temp, causal, season,walk, mobile,rsmc etc.

  • dazed and confused says:

    CUPW- your website is relevant people checking in, staying in 5 star hotels, dining wherever you want , running up bar bills on our dues, playing this power game of selecting which cities to screw, life must be good. Feed some crap to the members of how hard your working, and how many hours you have put in, would love to have a gig like that, but my conscience would never allow me to abuse my power. WAKEUP and get this done.

  • PO5 says:

    “None of the key issues have been resolved”….Seems a full strike by our union or lockout by our company is on the horizon…

  • greg smith says:

    I see the future…private company…fewer benefits…..target benefit pensions.
    we all lose because of the greed. we are making a decent wage for the education, skills we need to deliver mail which is not much. I for one am happy to work here with benefits and pay my mortgage and put kids thru school to be better than a mailman and go on strike every 4 yrs. its not rocket science!!!!!!

    • DG says:

      Very shallow comment Greg., what we have today is from the battles our brothers and sisters before us fought for. Don’t worry, keep up that attitude and Canada post will keep stripping us of our benefits. If we don’t fight now, one day these half decent jobs will be gone.

  • Mortified says:

    I would be very interested to know what percentage of people are staying away from picket line. Please share.

  • Disgusted says:

    Just like to reiterate how much I despise this union.

  • Neil says:

    It’s time to put an end to all this crap, before the demise of the corporation or better yet the union.. I can’t believe that it has actually gone this far. Canada post should not be letting this get as out of hand as it has been, they are the employer!! Letting this go on is causing low morale, lack of motivation and infighting between employees on the floor. When you have employees fighting amongst themselves and calling each other names for taking OT there’s a problem! I don’t care what the case is or the circumstances are, respect should be number 1, we are the union!! That being said, the union is destroying itself, and maybe it’s time that it did just so. You have inside workers vs outside vs RSMC divided, that outside should make more money than inside etc, you have the case for no OT, and someone’s going to get hurt over this I’m sure, calling names to each other (scabs or shaming each other is just plain childish) the Corp is not going to back down and the rotation strikes are just wearing us all out! Physically, mentally .. stress is mounting!! Cut it out with the RSMC equality, we won equity (which is Fantastic) be greatful and move on, Rome wasn’t built in a day folks. End this now!!!! Someone on Either side before it’s too late and we’re all out of luck.. cupw..full on strike, whatever, at least it would be the beginning of the end of this BS .. bring on legislation and end it. Or cpc, privatization would rid this union once and for all.. whatever it takes and for the sanity, safety health of your employees… GET A DEAL DONE NOW!!

    • Together says:

      Brother @Neil, The purpose of divide is benefits for CPC. When you call in different name of Temp, Causal, Seasoning, walk , mobile. The pay is different no matter you are perform the same duty of working condition because the call name is different. I ask this question before why the temp get less pay than us when they perform the same duty. Answer is their name CALL Temp. The divide start form CPC to get benefits when she try to hire new person to do the same duty of work. Like mobile L/C and mobile rsmc. Who’s got the benefits if we divide as before? 100% not union. We all are same worker all working under same one roof no matter indoor member, outdoor member , walk or mobile. We need together now. We need to ask CPC treat all of us equal no matter temp, causal, seasoning, walk or mobile or rsmc. Together we win. Brake is easy stay is hard. Respect each others. Because we are people work under one roof. Together now.

    • Together says:

      Brother @Neil, CPC try to divide us on purpose to get benefits for herself.I read the report of pay equal also point out CPC should not divide employee to get benefits. When you call TEMP, CAUSAL or Seasoning You are working the same duty. as Full time regular. But the divide the name also divide the wage pay. Just like our moblie L/C and mobile rsmc.
      CPC divide rural mails carrier, urban letter carrier, mobile letter carrier because the divide the name so the wage pay also divide even they all perform the same working condition. Divide the employee start from employer to get benefits for herself. Different Call name get different pay no matter you are perform the same duty. SO we need to stop divide from us now to show CPC everyone should be equal treat. No matter we are indoor or outdoor. We all under same one roof.The future is on our hand to save CPC. Together NOW brothers sisters, indoor, outdoor,

    • Complaint Again says:

      You should new here. Every contract bargaining period was the same. Every time after reach agreement no one put any post again. So don’t waste your time to type. Go Trick or Treat

    • Buggars says:

      @Neil. it’s a big old game ….. don’t be so serious
      Give it time. Overburdening is a serious issue and needs to be fixed let alone a decent wage for a change.

      • Simplecpcguy says:

        Yes Buggars, it will get fixed once and for all. You know how????????? I WILL TELL YOU, thanks to our president saying OVERBURDENING, injuries. Guess what??? He has and continues to make a case for the Corporation that the remaining 1/3 of Canadians left will be converted to CMB’S. EVERYONE JUST WATCH AND SEE.

        • Buggars says:

          FIrst of all, more than half of the routes in Canada are still door-to-door delivery. Overburdening is and has been done through CPC restructuring and
          c u p w agreeing to extra large Flyers increasing the weight of those flyers. I believe the Union can own up to their mistake . Canada Post however, are sneaky and conniving and by Design, make a workload, whether it be a mobile or a foot route over assessed before we even begin.

  • Together says:

    Brothers and Sisters, Remember we all under one roof no matter indoor or out door. I agree out door member much hard to do their job. Rain, Hot and freeze. Together we will win. We are same WORKER.

  • Disgusted says:

    As far as decertification, show me a petition and I’ll sign it. It is very difficult to do but most worthwhile things are.

  • Resigned says:

    There are 2 things that are guaranteed every 4 years: one, there will be a leap year, and two, CUPW will fail to achieve anything at all. And every time we are caught in the middle of one of these debacles we cry: DECERTIFY, DECERTIFY!! But nothing ever happens. I believe the main reason for that, is simple logistics. In a factory where the membership is all under one roof it is easy to gather everyone outside in the parking lot and agree on a decision, but when the membership is scattered across the second largest country in the world, it becomes a major challenge, if not totally impossible. At one point I lead myself to believe that with the advent of social media, some kind of membership cohesion might be finally achievable, but I was only fooling myself. The only thing that will rid us of this parasite is the government selling the company to the public by the pound.

  • CJ says:

    We need a decent offer cmon canada post! We work hard why cant we earn a decent living. 3% a year would be a start.

  • Rise our rate says:

    Brothers and Sisters, I have read those message regarding our union and our pay. I also believed that our pay are below the standard for out door member. We are facing all kind of the weather condition. Especially winter time, too hard to tell. Our hour pay should rise more than indoor member, because we are facing the difficult weather condition. I request CUPW divide us from indoor group. One contract for indoor work member and another for out door work member. Our hour rate are too low for us to do out door work. It is time to rise to $35/hour reasonable and acceptable with other courier competitor.

    • Patrick says:

      Seriously, what planet are you living on ?? I agree that your job is tough, but no more tough then lumping Parcels for 8 + hours indoors….not to mention extremely cold trailers in the winter and extremely hot trailers in the summer.Not to mention driving in a cluttered maze of monos,people, congested machinery Your work outdoors is no more tough then the work indoors. Also, this incompetent union can’t even get a contract for one membership, let alone 3 if they were to divide outdoors and indoors , also considering the rsmc factor.

  • Enough with that... says:

    Union was to busy partying in Cuba with our money….non-sense!

  • PostmanPat says:

    One simple question to everyone reading this :
    What are all of us 50K+ employees going to do for a career when the government realizes they don’t need this same old headache and crap every 4 years, that always results in profit losses in the $M, and they privatize CP?
    50K+ unemployed, most with only “ability to lift 50lbs” as their main skill!!!
    I like my job…a lot but CUPW, you will have screwed us all due to your ignorant squabbling.
    This will most likely be the last contract, if there is even one more.
    Better touch up your resume and start the job search now everyone…

  • Mam11c2 says:

    RSMC’s are not even the same contract so why the delay in signing. it would be a done deal if we focus on he matter at hand.

  • greg says:

    Equal working conditions for all!

    RSMC’s work is of equal value to the work of Urban letter carriers. It is time for Canada Post to respect RSMCs

  • greg says:

    Guaranteed Minimum Hours

    CPC has the liberty to restructure and create new routes. There is no guarantee that the current pay and hours would be the same following a route change, which could significantly reduce an RSMC’s wages.

  • greg says:

    Pay For All Hours Worked

    To achieve equality with Urban letter carriers, RSMCs must be paid for all hours worked beyond their scheduled hours. RSMCs must also be paid overtime when working over 8 hours per day or on their scheduled days off.

    • Regular Joe says:

      @greg
      So pay for all hours worked is your plan? Does that mean Letter Carriers that finish at noon only get 6 hours pay? Or does it only work when it benefits the employee? Go to a meeting with outside workers and they cannot get out of there fast enough. Go to one with inside workers and they only go back to the floor if you smoke them out of there. The inside at least puts in a full day of time, for what it is worth.

  • Jim Rogiokos says:

    Dear brothers and sisters in the urban sector , this union representing us is obviously not doing a good job. We have an option, in the upcoming local elections vote out the incumbent no matter what. Explain to the local union officials we want a change from within , starting at the top, the presidency. If this option fails we can start the process of decertify this union and start looking for a union that will represent our needs.This Union CUPW is no longer a union but a political party, and the President should run for the leadership of the Green Party . We need a union not a political party .

    • Mark says:

      @Jim…Same talk is starting at Gateway regarding decertified of the union..morale I’d very lie and everyone walking around angry and hopeless…this had carried on too long…Xmas is just around the corner and infighting I’d breeding within the Plant…this had to stop now

  • Julia says:

    My husband has worked as a carrier at Canada Post for last four years. He is paid only $21/hr against co-workers hired two years before with $27/hr. Yes, the company dropped the starting salary to $19 from $25 with the new contract when my husband was hired.
    Moreover, his salary has been only $2 increased for last 4 years.
    Nobody thinks this is fair.

  • Public have to tell says:

    I think you guys not over pay, winter too cold here. Freeze outdoor worker most of them get $45.00/hr. You guys are totally under pay. $26/hr is nothing today living standard. too low for the outdoor worker. Need increase to $35/hr
    for out door worker.

  • Yeeha says:

    MONTREAL IS OUT…. finally!!!

  • Hot Seat says:

    I believe if not reach an agreement at end of this Sunday. Get ready full strike.
    The early to start the early to finish. Time is running out. We need a close deal a.s.a.p. on or before Sunday.

  • Disgusted says:

    You can’t just bypass the union. If it was possible they wouldn’t have existed since the 80s.

    • somethingsmellsbad says:

      Its called PRIVATIZATION AND yes that would be the end of it! And I think it would be a good thing cause CUPW is poison to this company and makes all it’s followers hate the company and gives the floor a bad smell

    • LC23 says:

      We need to STOP giving this union a strike mandate
      That way they are forced to bring all offers to a vote

  • CPC true supporter says:

    CUPW just upload another strike picture. Everyone look happy. But 100% is fake make by CUPW. No one will support CUPW now. Let’s get rid of any union. Because they are all dirty. We just need employer. Vote YES to show our support CPC.

    • Youdont says:

      Canafa Post, if you have an offer clearly better than the last one you put out POST IT.

      • Postie! says:

        Cupw needs to clearly post up what they are offering, what exactly is anyone supporting them on? Who knows……postal banking and electric cars were still on the table last we heard and their twisted “gender equality” rhetoric.

  • somethingsmellsbad says:

    This is the last contract and the end of CUPW. We will be getting CMB’S right across Canada and we will be Sold off and the work force will be cut! CUPW you think you can’t be removed YOU WILL BE GONE and all you will have left is the history of what you did and how you destroyed Canada Post because you never wanted to Modernize your thinking to work with a company that wanted to move forward in the new modern world!

    • Support CPC says:

      Yes, Let’s get rid CUPW after this contract. Then support CPC bring back stop door to door, All route will be mobile and modernize equal. All pay and benefits will be equal. A true pay equity is our future. Let’s do it. Support CPC, who’s pay us is CPC, who’s give us all costly benefits is CPC. Who’s offer us over pay is CPC. We LOVE CPC WE support CPC, Let’s fight for CPC. The deal is at door now. Tell your union we have enough from you now. We will vote YES without you. Now together we win. We need take action…

      • New World says:

        @Support cpc, I 200% agree with you. Count me in. Support CPC without any union VOTE YES. Now it’s time to new world. New 5 point plan is coming on file now..Vote YES now for new offer to support CPC.

    • Buggars says:

      Canada Post is busier than ever! Huge profits made On The Backs of their employees. In the process many of the employees have been permanently hurt going that extra mile literally.
      If Canada Post had anything good to offer Urban they’d be posting it here. But instead we see the Same Old Post.

      • Regular Joe says:

        @Buggars, where are the “huge profits” you speak of? Last I checked there were no profits. They spent all of that money on people that drive personal vehicles with reaching poles to get to the mailbox. That was a low blow, I know they work hard for their money but the costs all adds up. CPC is a competitive company that is saddled with a huge cost annually. If they make billions they also spend billions… this is to cover pay, benefits and many other things you conveniently forget at times like this. If you tried to get another job today, where would you go? Would you be a courier or work in a warehouse. These are your options and they look very grim. This is what you do for a living. Time to realize there is a cap to what you are worth. There is no correlation to cost of living and raises for anyone. It ain’t gonna start with you. Take the deal while it still exists. The next one may be worse.

        • Treat or Trick says:

          @Regular Joe, CPC still making good profits, the financial report(which included pay out the different under ruling of pay equity to rsmc) just estimate to post to bargain for new contract. So CPC ask everyone don’t dream any wage over 1.5% base on their report. Understand??? They still profits. Also new postage new rate rise from Oct. If no strike action she still make a good profits than most of courier competitor. The management still receive a big bonus.

        • LCiO says:

          Absolutely correct but the ‘Koolaid’ drinkers don’t understand ‘Reality’ you have to speak ‘CUPW’ to them?

  • Coffee Girl says:

    Whsts with the flip flopping? Latest bulletin is all about the RSMCs again.I am glad they got a raise but come on…let’s get this done…Stop.going from RSMC…LC…INSIDE WORKERS…depending on the day and the mood of NEB…Both sides smarten up and take this seriously.Christmas is fast approaching.We don’t want to be here this time next year.

    • PO5 says:

      What they got was not a raise…But hey…Don’t let facts stop you….Keep drinking from the sippy cup….

      • Coffee Girl says:

        Oh excuse me…they won an arbitration but if you took the time to talk to any of them…They will say they got a raise ( at least what they think at my plant) Now go have another sip of Kool.Aid Bud…I just wasted close to 50 words unfortunately

    • Not again says:

      @Coffee Girl, We need to stop CPC to give anymore benefits to rsmc before it too late. I thought they already got everything as us. The true is CPC still not give full 8 hours pay to them. We still have chance to stop pay equity to rsmc. Otherwise CPC all the money will gone. We will no hope for our wage rise.Coffee girl you need put more post here to make action.

  • Ghjk says:

    CUPW facebook page is getting a lot of hate from union members. They’ve gone back and removed a ton of comments. Now announced that they will remove anything threatening, etc

    I did not see any threatening messages. The removed ones were criticizing them or expressing frustration with the amount of pay lost since these are NOT 24 hour strikes. Our coworkers are losing more than 24 hours pay in many areas

    I hope they’re feeling the pressure and start to really negotiate. No updates or communication from national, morale is super low where I am.

    • MANOMAN says:

      Yes they want a full out strike. It’s petty clear on cupw facebook. Kinda agree. The one guy removed for good reason. Angry fellow, likes no-one in his life. Lol

  • Be Smart before too late says:

    One advise is : Smart people just talking and stupid people always take action. You choice … Good Luck coffee time now.

  • Ironic says:

    @Not even try. Remember one very important thing. Canada Post pays your wages not CUPW. And while we were out on the picket line last week the union was continuing their seminar at the Port Elgin resort paid for with OUR union dues. In fact the President had to tell them to get back to their jobs. What are we fighting for again when our union doesn’t even stand by our sides on the picket line. Also, shop stewards can only make your life hard if you let them.

    • Not even try says:

      @Ironic, Did you knows we are over pay? Did you believed CPC very kinds to give you those benefits and pay from her heart? Who’s bargain for us???Our self and our representing union. No matter which is our representing union. they will do the same dirty way to bargain. Because we support them.

  • John Marsden says:

    In regards to shop stewards telling people to not work overtime, I’m reminded of a meme.
    “So you have an opinion about my life? Which one of my bills will you be paying this month?”

    • Gateway gal says:

      Yes, that is the unfortunate part of life to pay the bills. But if everyone works the overtime making money while your other Union brothers & sisters are not. How is that fair to them. And how does that look to the Corporation that people are working? Or ya we are sticking it to them. …O_o

  • Luu says:

    Wé have the same pb in Montréal also. Ot should it individual not someone decide in our place. Union should to say something about that. Really a miss. Delegue are saying to employe dont do overtime. Someone please nead to stop that. That s going in Montréal also

  • Ironic says:

    Coffee girl. Yes, people have called the shop stewards out. In fact it’s been suggested that pictures of them be posted for everyone to see. However, the harassment of employees by shop stewards got so bad that management had meetings to tell everyone that intimidation would not be tolerated. People can work whatever they want to. I also don’t take overtime but there are a lot of people who could not afford to lose those two days of pay.

    • Not even try says:

      @Ironic, Don’t try to do that. Shop stewards will remember who’s not follow their order. You don’t want to bring yourself in trouble. I get bad experience from my pass. Good Luck.

    • Coffee Girl says:

      Exactly and. both CPC and CUPW have posters up…NO BULLYING…what a joke!8

      • Norine says:

        Ha ha I have been with the union for 33 years I know all about fighting , but honestly the last the 23or so years what I fought for years before we lost most of it. Communication is a wonderful way of letting brothers and sisters know what’s going on. .This is one time silence is not golden, . . A little lacksy daisy Jean -Claude Parrot where are you?

  • Norine says:

    Lost in translation litterly!
    What are we fighting for.
    Demands keep changing?

  • need to work says:

    Have you been reading the news we need to get the BS over and get back to business as usual. We are not only slowly killing our business we are also killing the small business people instead of thinking only of themselves they should be thinking about the people who rely on us to keep food on their table. Come on end this nobody is winning, everyone is losing.

  • Ironic says:

    Interesting fact… at Gateway, union shop stewards are telling employees not to work overtime after we were made to strike for two days not 24 hours. Yet these same shop stewards are coming in for the overtime. “Do as our union says, not as they do”.

    • Coffee Girl says:

      @ Ironic…does anyone call them on it? We have the same thing going on.I don’t work OT anyway but I feel it should be up to the individual.Remember what’s ” good for the goose is good for the gander”

  • MAM 11C2 says:

    All this BS is going to hurt the business and then we are all in trouble.
    Sorry to say this but take the RSMC’s out of the equation and we would have a contract today.

    • Wrong Divide says:

      @MAM, I have to sorry to say, our contract with too many group member, Even all group member have their own contract, It still take a lot of time to make a deal.I believed you are try to bring down Rsmc. But together will be stronger power to deal.

    • Same Idea says:

      @MAM 11C2, Be fair to everyone All group should have their own contract, group 1, group 2, group 3 , group 4, group 5,
      Why inside plant join our contract? Walk L/C and Mobile L/C also in 2 contract too We walk are too hard should get more pay than other. Rsmc should have their contract( yes they do now). I think it can more faster to deal..

  • jc says:

    After getting thoroughly frustrated over the near 10 months of NOgotiations, I did some research as I am seriously considering a career switch ( something I would have believed would have happened 9 years ago)…While I agree that a 2 tier system is not a good thing, it is indeed a commonplace thing…in most unionized/pensioned jobs/careers there ALWAYS is a starting wage and a top wage…making it a 2 tier system….again, it is MY choice as a potential employee
    to agree to a lesser wage than my more senior peers…food for thought

    • PO5 says:

      When you took the job you knew the history of CPC and it’s work force..It was your choice to work or not to work in a union shop..You choose to take the job…Food for thought…

  • Very frustrated says:

    Just hope that all this jerking around does not permanently harm CPC and end up costing jobs. All I know is that none of CPC management or CUPW will lose there jobs or money over this. Let’s hope they take this into consideration and settle this. Put your big boy pants on and get bit done before the company suffers permanent losses. People will only put up with this so many time, 2 times in 2 years is to much.

    • Coffee Girl says:

      @ very frustrated…This is how CPC can justify getting rid of jobs because people are taking their business elsewhere…And CUPW…”Groovy man” get out of your time warp…take a good hard look at the BIG PICTURE…we lose jobs, you lose Union Dues…Maybe you better start budgeting like the rest of us have to.Go eat at McDs instead of a fancy restaurant, do your negotiating at a dumpy hotel, get into 2018…not 1978…SHAME ON BOTH SIDES putting everyone through this…

  • PO5 says:

    “What seemed to be a impasse”…Could be I am reading to much between the lines…But maybe that sentence is a good sign…And our union and our company are close…Here’s hoping…

  • Broke says:

    Since CPC has cut off the STDP program and all the days I had earned. I’m busting off my cast with a pair of pliers and heading back to work tomorrow. Wish me luck!

  • Matt says:

    Put it to a vote. Approx 54000 x $90 a month tells me union union can afford to do a vote.

  • Todd says:

    Why are they still deducting for disability insurance when under new terms of agreement we are not allowed to claim for this?? SCAM!!

  • KSS says:

    CPC & CUPW both parties are damaging Canada Post. They negotiated for a year in 2015-16 & finally got a 2 years extension. In 2017-18 again they negotiated for whole year with Mediator & Conciliator and now with Special Mediator. Still didn’t accomplish anything. Employees, Customers & Public are suffering from all of this. Media already started talking about privation of Canada Post. We are losing customers and if they found other competitors they might never come back, like previous negotiations. This is our busiest quarter, but we have clean floor on Friday. Our supervisor was asking employees to go home & 3 out of 14 employees in our section went home. If this situation continues, soon they will force us to go home without pay. I don’t see any ACCOUNTABILITY in both parties. CUPW want a rotating strike, because they do not want to pay their members any money. Look their times to walkout & keeping their members in suspense. Who’s paying the price here? CPC said they won’t lock us out (they don’t care who or what we are losing). Please go to arbitration ASAP & save Canada Post.

    • Blabla2 says:

      Naaaah…. it’s not even getting noticed. If cpc wanted it to get noticed…ie. for lockout purposes… it would get noticed.
      Thanks supervisor , for your babble

  • Gateway gal says:

    We NEED 2 Separate Unions!! One for inside workers and one for outside.
    Once the Arbitrator gets involved we ARE going to get Screwed… again!

    • Ken says:

      Bring back the LCUC . We do need two separate unions again . Since CUPW started running the show letter carriers have got screwed.

    • Buggars says:

      Its only been a week on strike….thats nothing, give it time. If Canada Post doesnt step it up, we will.
      3%
      No more forced OT
      No more working in the dark due to overburdening!
      Totally not safe for any carrier, especially the women out there.

  • Mark says:

    Funny…Union is making it seem the carriers are totally overburdened and can’t deal with the daily volumes of parcels…just recieved a parcel delivery from a Canada Post employee…I guess they aren’t that overburdened that still delivering on Sunday…

  • k says:

    union, pay me back my money, i do not need this kind of union who does not care about me. what the union wants is collecte money from us.

  • LCiO says:

    Letter Carrier routes can be corrected to fit and meet today’s standards by creating a new template and updating the ‘Language’ like ‘Time Values’? For example google can only get you to a site but it doesn’t deliver the mail or parcels? So get RM and paceout deliver points and pick up points which could be front doors, side doors, loading docks etc. It takes time to drive around buildings let alone streets and major streets? And volume counts should always be done around late Oct, Nov. A few tweeks and something could be figured out?

  • LCiO says:

    Something that should have began, was the expansion of the urban boundaries? The world continued to evolve from the 1970’s contrary to CUPW beliefs? With increased population and progress, more people, more cars, more businesses, more buildings etc creating more Urban Letter Carrier jobs and alotting 25, 30% for RSMC’s to bid on by seniority and transfer over to the Urban side and then be an Urban LC and get paid the same?

  • LCiO says:

    So are the enormous profits from Postal Banking going to go to the same place the enormous profits go to now from the services we provide?…. That sounds good for the Membership? Send in The Clowns equipped with ‘Squirty Flowers’ and ‘Red Noses’ then to break the ice they can pull a handkerchief out of their pockets with a ‘Strike Mandate’ attached to it?

  • dazed and confused says:

    no way this unioun has a mandate over 90 percent, probably around 75 per cent, regardless this farce has gone on way too long, any negotiators with credibility could reach a conclusion by now. See people posting their demands, who really cares, the public does not really care, small businesses have found alternatives, if the unioun does not get this done ASAP, we are all in danger of becoming obsolete

  • Temp too long says:

    3.5 % every year for 4 years. Sick days and Family day. Give Temps permanent full time status and stop over burdening L/C. Come on CPC stop the nonsense, give us what we want and let’s get back to work!

  • Mark says:

    If I voted “No” for the strike mandate and I am working OT and RDO, would I still be a “Scab”? Lol…

  • Mortified says:

    I have seen unions go three years beyond an expired contract with no talk of a strike vote. To be pushed out on strike without being given a chance to even vote on an offer is unheard of. Don’t expect me to believe that the results of strike vote aren’t fraudulent either.

    • LCiO says:

      I concur 100% Mortified, nothing would speak louder than the membership turning down an offer collectively 2 or 3 times by 95%? We do pay them to represent the membership and it’s best interest but by getting that Strike Mandate and full autonomy they can fulfill their Socialist Agenda? I’ve had elected Union Reps tell me that they don’t want the membership to sign their lives away, which is why they want a Strike Mandate before looking at a contract? That’s what they think of the membership? That’s why I can’t understand why the ‘Koolaiders’ always give them the mandate with the reason that it gives the Union leverage in negotiations? The definition of Insanity ‘Doing the samething over and over again but expecting different results’? And definitely number fudging?

    • So tired says:

      You’re absolutely right…the whole voting process is a sham; always in the nineties% in favour of a strike when practically everyone you talk to never wanted one. And yeah, we never get to vote on an offer, and even if we did, would the ballots be counted in a honest way?

      • Coffee Girl says:

        @ So tired…oh yes! The voting process is all on the up and up…counted by ” Returning Officers” then mailed to National…Uh huh…where’s a Third Impartial Party? ” Oh right,we can’t AFFORD IT.

  • Disgusted says:

    Regardless of everything else how can anyone think that striking is a good idea?
    The few people in the general public that notice or care are angry with the workers. Everyone your trying to hurt still gets paid. Canada post owns purolator so they just laugh about that. No gains have been had from striking since the 80s. If it is the principle try buying something with that.

  • sore feet says:

    As we near November…remember folks…its a three pay month. If we begin a national strike in November?…it will prove this UNION and CPC are in bed together..messing around. Now its a 3 sum, with National Mediator Services joining the love in. Something to keep in mind!!!. We should have been out months ago!!.

  • My demands says:

    I already email my demands to cupw a long time ago. But they don’t respect my suggestion. Here is my demands:
    1. 3% wages for 4 years
    2. 7 sick pay day
    3. job security
    4. convert all cmb to door to door
    5. no flyer delivery on X’mas and New year Eve,
    6. Family day
    7. reduce over burdening
    8. Improve post retirement benefits( Drug , dental etc)

  • bing says:

    get rid of the union.

  • Here is my deal says:

    CPC give me back my family day, 3.5% 4 years , job security, stop over burdening work load, 5 days sick pay, I am o.k. with all about.

    • Eduardo Amador says:

      In this bargaining CUPW should give more emphasis on overburdening of Delivery Agents/Letter Carriers. It should demand that the increase in parcel volume be handled by the Transportation Department of CPC instead of Delivery Agents/Letter Carriers as it was before Postal Transformation. The transportation fleet of CPC should be enlarged and should be modernized and get more vehicles/ trucks to acomodate the explosion of parcels that CPC is now getting. Majority of parcel delivery should be done by the Transportation Department and not by Delivery Agents/Letter Carriers.
      I also feel that Delivery Agents/Letter Carriers should have their own union so it can focus on issues that are unique to their group. CUPW seems to be handling too many issues and is embroiled in too many fronts.

      • DG says:

        Well said Eduardo! you hit the nail on the head!
        Letter carriers (Delivery Agents) used to have their own union (LCUC), but, in the late eighties for various reasons, there was a merger with CUPW, who at that time represented inside workers.

  • Stampede City says:

    All the same comments on here from all the same people 2 years ago. I said the last go round that nothing will change and we will be here again in a couple years going through the same thing. Well here we are. Really sucks that A) we have a union that is really out of touch with its membership and has no idea how we feel and B) we have an employer that is also out of touch with its employees and truly doesn’t care about the people that are the backbone of the company and make them millions every year. Retirement can’t come soon enough. (if our pension still is there)

    • Great voice says:

      @Stampede City, I total agree with you. I don’t care who’s coffee, tea, koolaid, Lc, Just together we win. Don’t divide. Also respect other group member. i also think this is very good idea we discuss our own demands here. But the true is don’t dream too much.

  • Coffee Girl says:

    Just heard that whoever is “LUCKY ENOUGH” to be picketing on Halloween will get a free sucker and CUPW will also give you a $5 Timmies card for “BEST COSTUME” …Get your sheets out people!

  • LCiO says:

    Aching Feet another delusional ‘Koolaid’ drinker why don’t you go out and support your brothers and sisters on the picket line as a sign of solidarity instead of thanking them from a CPC Comment Site? Ah let me guess you have a doctors note and he says you can’t walk, stand or sit? Time for a refill.

  • Better says:

    CUPW demands was not perfect to us, We need more improvement. Let’s get rid of our union. Use our own demands to replace CUPW now to reaching the deal. My suggestion is : 3.8% for 4 years, job security, bring back all door to door service, stop over burdening, family day, 5 days sick pay, 12 days personnel day, 6 weeks post retirement after 15 years service, 8 weeks after 20 years, 9 weeks after 25 years, 10 weeks after 28 years, 12 weeks after 35 years. Retirement health plan for drug, dental and dead insurance for 15 years service.

  • LCiO says:

    Ok CPC I would like a new Union and a…oh maybe we should ask Santa Claus instead?

  • Coffee Girl says:

    Are you people serious? You’re on a CPC website so of course people are going to read it…What I don’t get is all your PARANOID MISGUIDED THINKING that this website will make or break any offers from CPC.The only ones responsible for making or breaking offers is our own CUPW negotiating team by keeping this going and going and going…And again we could write on a CUPW website also…oh I forgot…they won’t ALLOW ONE.

    • LCiO says:

      Coffee Girl stop posting negative demands write your demands positive you party pooper? Lolololol

      • Coffee Girl says:

        @ LCiO…you are too funny! I would like a new Union also, a million dollar buy out and a Unicorn! Clicking my heels now!!!! There you go people…that’s what I DEMAND!

    • Tea girl says:

      @Coffee girl, Even my kids told me you never try you never know. I will follow put my demands here to let CPC knows what I am thinking. You can’t stop me. I don’t like union demands. This is my own demands are follow: 4% wage firm for 4 years term, family day, 7 sick day pay, job security, no over burdening, maintain door to door delivery, convert all cmb back to door to door to all Canadian, super post retirement plan 8 weeks leave for person who’s service after 20 years,
      12 days personnel day, 5 weeks vacation after 19 years, 6 weeks vacation after 14 years, 7 weeks vacation after 17 years, 8 weeks vacation after 20 years, 10 weeks vacation after 25 years, 15 weeks vacation after 20 years.

      • Coffee Girl says:

        @Tea girl…Read everyone’s comments before you read mine…So you understand.There are people on this site PARANOID that if CPC reads demands that aren’t out of this world …they might actually say well then that’s what we’ll give them.

    • LCiO says:

      I was waiting for you to lose it? Don’t forget to tap your heels together 3 times and post your demands it really works? Lololol

    • Say somethings says:

      @Coffee Girl, Your turn now. Any good demands suggestion?

    • JasonYVR says:

      I think it say’s A LOT when our union will NOT let us post our opinions on CUPW website, in a format similar to this one.

      Think about that for a minute!

      Our monthly dues are not sufficient enough for us to offer our thoughts?j

  • Wondering says:

    Why our demands without family day off??? I need family day off ,,5 sick day with pay. 3.5% wages , improve our retirement benefits(Dental N Drug), Job security, reduce over burdening.

  • Wanna perfect demands says:

    To all, my perfect demands are 3-3.5% wage, family day off, 7 days sick pay, job security, 3 weeks post retirement leave, 5 weeks vacation after 7 years service, 6 weeks after 10 years.. right to switch any walk or mobile route by lucky draw every year end (like green card draw) and year end bonus .

  • #Me too says:

    I think min 3% wage for 4 years , job security, keep door to door service , single bundle, no over burdening work load, family day off, 5 days pay sick leave.

  • Me First says:

    My demands: I accept 2.85% wage increase minimum 4 year contract, job security and reduce over burdening work load.

  • JasonYVR says:

    Some very gloomy faces here in Vancouver today. No one is very hopeful for anything happening anytime soon. The union’s camera crew was at the ready to take pictures of “happy” faces for the usual on strike photo opt’s.
    Well I can tell you THAT did NOT go over very well as their were very few “happy” faces to be found. The kool-aid was quite bland!

    • LCiO says:

      Good to hear very little support here in Ontario, not anything that would reflect a 95% ‘Strike Mandate’?

      • Group member says:

        @LCiO, Can you stop complaint ? If you are not agree union demands. Just tell What you want? I from gateway, a lot of us support but choice to keep warm. Do you any suggestion for our demands?

    • Waste Time to against says:

      @JasonYVR, So are you there??? IF not, Don’t waste time. No one like to strike. Just make a post what do you think our demands by union. CPC are watching our message.

  • bing says:

    shame to the union

    • aching feet says:

      Shame on Canada Post. I want 3%, I want the overburdening of letter carriers dealt with. No more forced overtime, work-life balance given to all employees.

      • Like you says:

        @aching feet, My whole depot support what you say here. We wanna the same things.

      • Good Luck Watching says:

        @aching feet, Good job You are going to the right direction. At least to tell CPC What we think our demands not union right? Just go ahead keep telling CPC as employee what we want now for 4 years contract. You don’t need follow demands of our union. Use your idea to fight for your group. CPC are watching our message now. Good Luck

        • Aching feet says:

          @goodluckwatching
          Telling CPC what we want, excellent idea
          No desire to criticize the only ones negotiating on our behalf.
          Great job CUPW keep the pressure on them. The news is reporting our issues accurately and our customers are very supportive.

          • Good Pal says:

            Support you gateway, YOU are our great pal. we need positive thinking pal. I don’t mine to drink Kool-Aid before champagne with cheese.

    • Tell me more says:

      @bing, Just say somethings, Please let’s get rid to say union. Say what do you think our demands to CPC.? CPC coofee ream are watching now..Understand

    • Don't waste time says:

      Don’t say something unnecessary, Our Post only CPC will watching.. Tell what do you want for new 4 years contract.

  • Support strike B.C. says:

    Brothers and Sisters looks very happy and support strike at Vancouvor, B.C.

    • Aching feet says:

      Leave them out all weekend please. It will make for a great monday!Thank you Vancouver
      Thankyou Sudbury, N.B, and Niagra Falls as well.
      Its the only break we get from overburdening!

  • What WE want says:

    To CPC coffee time staff., We all wanna 3% wage increase, job security, benefits improve and reduce over burdening for all of us for 4 long years contract. This is final deal. I vote Yes

  • Ghjk says:

    The union believes they’re fighting for something bigger than workers. They will keep using the mandate because it comes down to ego. The union decision makers idolize Castro and Guevara, which says a lot about their intelligence. Notice how we get almost no update on negotiations. This isn’t about negotiations for them anymore.

    New representation is needed. Giving a strike mandate encourages them to abuse it for their own gain and ego stroking. They want to be seen as leaders of a revolution. Not giving a strike mandate gives the power to the corporation and I think we all know that they would abuse that to force a terrible contract on us. Neither side is looking out for the little guys here, we’re pawns. It’s a group of misguided social justice warriors versus a money hungry corporation. We all lose every time. We need a union focused on the workers.

    • What do you want? says:

      @Ghjk, What do you want to say? The more important things is tell what do you want on the coming new contract. CPC are watching your post to bargain. Say something wanna 3% wages increase, job security and benefits etc. Also tell CPC you will say NO or YES. Then we can speed up faster to make a deal. You want union or not she don’t care.

      • Ghjk says:

        I want health and safety. I don’t want to finally retire and be too broken to enjoy it. Single bundle and reduce over burdening. I walk my route and fear my body won’t last until retirement. Routes are longer and longer every restructure.

        Other improvements like wages would be nice but I WILL vote no if something isn’t done to improve conditions for walking routes. This is my deal breaker.

        Stop the games and negotiate.

        • Here you Go says:

          @Ghjk, Good boy, Here you go. Speaking louder We want 3% wage increase for 4 long years contract. Done

          • All for one says:

            Canada post isn’t interested in helping the overburdened lettercarriers…… they are holding
            Volume counts RIGHT NOW all across this country!
            Only to cut more jobs and overburden the ones left!!!
            This has to stop.

      • News or Old says:

        CUPW is union organization. CUPW not only represent Canada Post member. She also represent other company employee. Most of union in the open world will join together to support their union action. It is not any big news need to post.

        • CUPW is a clown posse says:

          I assume this is directed at me.

          I have little problem with a Union supporting another but if you can read that without squirming at the LOONacy of his extreme socialist ideology…

          No more Leap manifesto, BDS, cruises to the Mediterranean to speak regarding Palestine, opinions on terrorists, dog whistle gender politics, and keep your filthy hands off my HH pay.

          Get me rate of inflation increase, correct one bundle/health and safety, then beat it!

          • Times running out says:

            Yes , you are right. But we need focus on our contract our wage our benefits our work load. I don’t care who will be my union. Times running out. Need tell CPC what we want for contract. CPC coffee team are watching our post…

          • CUPW is a clown posse says:

            ..oh yah, and skip all the EV conversion and charging stations LOL

  • Lc says:

    We our Letter carriers ( delivery agents)..We walk all day. That’s what we do. We interact and communicate with our customers. We have good weather and bad, totally out of our control. Sure, it’s a lot of walking, but I’d have no other way. Wouldn’t want to look at the same old cmb box everyday, and boy it could be cold just standing there not moving. I’m glad our union and Canadians saved the door to door. Sure there could be cost cutting, but you can do this in any other occupation. Eg: taking your own garbage to the dump..Come on people this is all about getting a fair contract and not debating ones position, whether lc’s, Po’s, Or RSMCs.

    • Buggars says:

      Since CPC started PT and CMB restructuring, they have used that same computer system for the foot routes….. so basically our bodies have to act like the vehicle. It’s done by design, a retaliation of sorts, for having to STOP their motorized plan. Many of us are university educated and it use to be a decent job. Cpc wants to physically break us… so we retire and since they have their two tiered pay system in effect, they want to replace us with the part of the population that works for basiclly just above the poverty line. Thank God for the Union , without them we would all be rsmc prior to joining cupw! No wonder they joined!
      Letter carrier and delivery agents are not interchangeable btw.

  • JasonYVR says:

    Our union is a joke. Just a complete and utter farce.
    Where’s the strike pay..I mean REAL strike pay members should be receiving on picket lines? The union is basically BROKE. They’ve spent OUR money on condo’s, expensive trips, gifts 4 themselves, their loved ones, etc, etc.
    When are we voting these people OUT?
    Only THEN can things change for the better!

    • MIKE says:

      Jason YVR….so you know all these things are true and have proof of such? I am sure if you ask your local executive for a copy of the most current financial report that they would provide it. you might be quite surprised as to how much it takes to run CUPW on a day to day basis. To be anything else but transparent especially about money goes against the language of our national constitution. If you have proof of otherwise please feel free to provide it.

      • LCiO says:

        Nice! I love it. But they won’t understand you because they consume alot of ‘Koolaid’ and because they do, they continue to give the union ‘Clowns’ a Strike Mandate without even seeing an offer? Send in the ‘Circus’ with complete autonomy and they wonder why we always get the shaft?

    • Coffee Girl says:

      @Jason YVR…There will be no strike pay.Period. Those people shouldn’t have even been at the Negotiating Table in 2016, let alone a second time around.Let us not forget we also pay cell phones, cars, Ottawa Senators box seats, etc…etc…The Union is beyond a joke now. And to all the CUPW Loyalists who will defend them $ 3 will buy you a peanut butter sandwich and Kool aid on the picket line…And for an extra quarter you can get jam!

      • Picket line pay help says:

        @Coffee Girl, You are wrong. Please contact your local to claim your strike pocket line pay. I can help you, just post here which local you are. They have record on their local file who’s show up at picket line. Please I can help.

  • Laid Off Plan says:

    I believe CPC 100% will bring back stop door to door delivery. Because CPC listen walk L/C who’s complaint hard to walk 20km daily post here. After completed all walk to CMB. At least 5000 L/C will be laid off. it will happen very soon within 4 years time. Folks try to get the better deal and benefits for this round before laid off.

  • Regular Joe says:

    There is a real disconnect between union types and reality…I read the comments and wonder what you could put on your resume if you had the strength to leave this job. You are good at walking, sorting letters and admail, or is it the ability to pick up a box and put it in a mono? You are all replaceable! It must be tough to accept this and I sympathize. However, this does not mean you should get what you want. It is unclear if you even know what that is. People are complaining about walking long routes while your leader talks about wanting door to door reinstated… so confusing. You will all stay though, admit it, what else do you have going on. Call for a vote and get on with it, if they let you…

    • Joe Public says:

      DG, thankfully you can actually write a decent post that utilizes English as we know it, unlike most of your colleagues on here. You complain about all of the tasks required , though flyers and parcels bring in most of the growth required for this company to survive. What is it we do here exactly? Whistle in the sun, delivering Letters like it is 1990? Change is happening, if you want to get onboard, great. If not, I think I saw an opening at Blockbuster, or was it Kodak, I don’t remember.

    • Buggers says:

      Since cpc started PT and CMB restructuring, they have used that same computer system for the foot routes….. so basically our bodies have to act like the vehicle. It’s done by design, a retaliation of sorts, for having to STOP their motorized plan. Many of us are university educated and it use to be a decent job. Cpc wants to physically break us… so we retire and since they have their two tiered pay system in effect, they want to replace us with the part of the population that works for basiclly just above the poverty line. Thank God for the Union , without them we would all be rsmc prior to joining cupw! No wonder they joined!

    • Follower you says:

      I agree with you. PO4 L/C always complaint his walk route 20km hard to walk then switch it to cmb done.

  • DG says:

    The following are the present day facts.
    1. Only 1 of 10 delivery agent new hires stay past 3 months, the rest quit due to inadequate training, inadequate transition to working on their own, unrealistic expectations of new hires by management, overburdened routes, too many parcels, too many tiny packets( which our competitors neither will do or want),too many flyers( at 1/2 pay), blue day, pink day, orange day what a mess, registers, COD’s, customs, RPO clearance, SLB clearance, ON DEMAND PICK UP, unaddressed admail, letters, PDT, scan your vehicle, scan you flyers, scan your surpluses, scan your shortages, all weather conditions, and told not to book overtime, the list goes on and on and on., all this for 19.00 $ per hr. no wonder new hires don’t stick around.
    2. Ask anyone at South Central or Gateway how many Delivery agents have transferred to the plant I will tell you there has been a flood of them going ,WHY? the delivery agent job has become too physically and emotionally demanding hence the mass exodus.
    3. Competitors delivery agents making anywhere from 27$ to 30$ plus., delivering ONLY parcels. Canada Post delivery agents 19$ – 26.60 $ delivering parcels, along with a mail route which come with the above mentioned bells and whistles.
    4. Conclusion, I believe Canada Post is and will be relevant., but, face many serious challenges, one of which they face now.
    OTTAWA LISTEN to your front line managers and all your employees who are imploring you to help us with the new realities we face. Changes need to be made to our delivery model and the way employees are treated. as the status quo of their treatment and delivery model are impacting your employees lives, provide us with proper equipment, tools, training, adequate workforce and PROPER REMUNERATION for our hard work, follow these suggestions and I am confident Canada post will remain relevant for years to come.

  • CJ says:

    Then there is no way this will ever get settled…who in the world would vote yes to 1.5%??

  • Get ready says:

    Old news better than no news, Get ready next week hum…smoke…Are you ready, I am ready, let’s do it

  • CJ says:

    I just read on the news that Jon Hamilton from CPC said a significant offer is now on the table
    We as employees should be allowed to see this offer and decide for ourselves. If it has the 3% + wage increase and parcel overassessment pay lets vote on it!

  • Flash says:

    Here’s the thing girls and boys
    You want to end force back OT
    Overburdening of parcels
    A raise over the cost of living
    There is only one voice speaking for you
    Your negotiators
    PO 4 s and RSMC have similar hot button issues
    Get behind the team that is speaking for you
    Keep the pressure on
    Things need to be worked out but let’s stand tough together and speak with one voice
    At the end of this path will be improvements

  • More than PO4 says:

    @PO4, I just finished my 23km walk with my junk mail. Total unfair to me. I walk 3 km more than you. Why my pay same as you? Even our group 1 insider plant pal work much easy than us. They got the same benefits as us. Today outside is cold. If I have a chance to bump inside job. I will be the first.

  • Temp postie says:

    Sorry, I have to tell you the letter carrier who’s still walk with junk mails. The next cut will be you. Myself I never mail out one letter on last year. Public don’t need you now. Everyone go digital. CPC still pay you $26 hr to delivery junk mails not worth of it. No profit at all. Need to change to CMB delivery to save yourself. Laid off and cut at the door right now. Don’t dream.

    • Ab says:

      These junk mail and flyers are giving double work which are more harder then delivering live mails. The variable Allowance are so low; just calculates the amount of flyers we do per week.
      4 years contracts are not acceptable unless CPC gives reasonable wage increases and job securities. 2years contracts are ok with the wage increase 3 per year.

    • Big Guy says:

      you should educate yourself before speaking. we are a cash cow for the feds and making more money each year. not everyone wants to go paperless just look at the Telus backlash.

  • C says:

    The entire system is broken. Collective bargaining isn’t perfect but it is best of the bad. Winston Churchill is often quoted as saying “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others”. I think the same is true for collective bargaining, but just as there are other forms of government not yet tried so there are other ways to approach the labour/ management relationship. If the money people (who really run things) had their way we’d all still be in workhouses and sweatshops. People fought (and died!) to make locks on factory doors (to lock workers in!), 80+ hour, 7 day work weeks and child labour a thing of the past in the Western world. It is still happening in lots of other places, Bangladesh and China to name two. Factory owners didn’t suddenly say “hey let’s make our workplaces safe, have people work less, pay them better and give them benefits”, organized labour had to force them. That said, unions have become a means to their own end. In a global, competitive environment we need BOTH sides working in a collaborative not adversarial relationship. Today unions are fighting for their survival because this is based on a dues model. Automation is reducing their numbers, instead of being part of the solution they are hanging on to the past. A.I. is here people, get with it! How about some changes to the Labour Code? Perhaps unions should sit on the board of directors in a health and safety capacity (like in Denmark), receive a share in profits so they are not dependent only on dues? Wouldn’t that motivate everyone to work towards doing a great job effectively? If the company does well, everyone shares in it? It won’t happen though because unions are still hung up on their Marxist philosophy, and “management” has to be the enemy in that ideology. In that scenario, labour kills the goose that lays the golden egg. Labour needs to adapt, if the common person is going to survive the neoliberal world we currently live in, we are going to need them, even more than we did in 1845! It is time for everyone to think outside the box, before it is too late.

  • Temp need equal says:

    Brothers and Sisters, What about pay equity for me now? I walk 20km daily same as PO4. But my basic pay is less than your basic $6.00 Compare L/C walk to L/C temp. Why our group no one say one word and fight for us? Always try to bring down others. First we need to fight for our group. I need equal pay as full time member. We do the same walk duty in same group no gender issue. Why my pay less than you PO4? Because my name call TEMP.
    Total against the law of pay equal.

    • Hey temp says:

      PO4s are clerks …. do you not know what you are?

    • Wicksteed postie says:

      Rob ford is scrapping most of bill 148 which included pay equity, 2 days sick paid + 10 unpaid sick/personal days and giving just 8 unpaid instead. And the minimum wage to stay at 14/hr until 2020. So it won’t be law soon because of good old Robby. Hope you didn’t vote for the DB. So pay equity will no longer be a provincial statute.

      • Don't worry says:

        @Wicksteed, Don’t worry about what you have today you still can keep it. Even the new pay equity law no longer be a provincial statute in future if it happen as your stated. Your over pay what you have now will not bring down.Only for new hire.At this moment your pay equity still value.

      • Canada Pay equity says:

        Law of Pay equity from Canada.ca It cover the whole country. Rob can give higher the standard but can’t lower the standard. Rob just for Ontario not for whole country.

      • B.C. postie says:

        @Wicksteed, Are you one of us? Or you are the one who’s sitting in CPC office. 1. Change the law it will take a few year to finished. 2. Pay equity not only in Ontario it cover all Canada. Understand or not I am living in B.C. Who is Rob Ford?

      • Over pay says:

        @Wicksteed, let get rid pay equity. You still over pay.