CUPW negotiations: Canada Post receives counter proposals
October 7, 2024, 05:15 pm
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Canada Post has received counter offers from the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) for both the Urban and RSMC (Rural and Suburban Mail Carriers) bargaining units. The counter proposals come in response to the global offers Canada Post had presented to CUPW on September 25, 2024.
Canada Post will take the time necessary to review the proposals in detail. Discussions between the parties continue and are supported by conciliators. Our goal throughout this round of negotiations with CUPW is to reach negotiated agreements, without any labour disruption.
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It’s a known fact that CUPW is in cahoots with the liberal govt. They are not negotiating for us but rather for the govt. Just look at their track record in the last 20 years. Every strike has led to us being legislated back to work. In the end we have nothing to show for it other than us being deprived of a wage while we’re on strike and being paid a mizzly 56$/day by the union. Is that going to pay our mortgage, car loan, food for pir children.
Curious to know if this typically affects or slows down current hiring and recruitment processes.
I don’t need a strike. cupw get lost!
100%.agree with this statement. We need a better union that actually cares about its membets
Read CPs global contract offer and the RSMC counter offer. I comment for RSMC workers. RSMCs have good stable jobs with a good income for the work done. What we want is to maintain our jobs and not to loose pay via inflation.
RSMCs have been on the loosing end of the inflation vs pay for the last 3 years. An 8.5% hike is needed to make up for those years in addition for the expected 2024 inflation (say 2%). That means first year pay increase should be 10.5% just to have our wages keep pace with inflation which I think most RSMS would accept. Canada Post, that would be reasonable! Any less and we loose. We don’t need more. As far as trying to forecast future years, why not just accept a long contract with an agreement to increase wages in accordance with the inflation rate of Canada…seems an easy solution. Heck, sign a 10 year contract and decrease our union dues to help out (why decrease? – less work with longer contract).
As far at the unions request for 10 extra medical days, that is ridiculous. Prior to the change in the labour code requiring 10 medical days, our personal days were for both person al use and sick use. Acknowledge that. The 13 we currently have are a reasonable solution (13-14 would be a reasonable solution) so start being reasonable!….Carring up to 10 forward is definately welcome – CP work to bump it up to 14 – start being reasonable.
PRE’s guaranteed 40 hrs per week would see many PREs making more than route holders…that is not reasonable!
I support the option of having flexible benefits. Let us know the particulars of how that would work, costs etc. and let us choose! We are not children and can decide for ourselves. Just be honest with your information to us.
I could comment on the rest but this is long enough
If both sides would be reasonable, it would take less than 1 week to work out a contract.
A side note to the union – we pay you, work for us. A quick calc shows we pay you some $8.7 MILLION a year in union dues (just RSMC’s). Spend less (no) time on issues that don’t directl;y affect us. Stick to the basics – our contract, our work conditions and grievances. Stop all the other political/external stuff. Reduce our dues…get back to the basics!
I agree to this. It is a reasonable request. Also I don’t know why we haven’t had any discussion about looking into a different union or the union wage for that matter. It seems they are the only people keeping up with the inflation from our union dues.
Agree 100% we have a corrupt union that hasn’t delivered in years.
Don’t understand why the union base their negotiations on 8000 RSMC which is only 17% of its members. This union is so inadequate. All they are interested is getting our dues.
Beautiful
just waiting for any updates. any one got any thing?
Postal workers haven’t had a negotiated contract since Jean Chretien was Prime Minister. After 10 or 11 months sitting at the table the two sides are exactly where they were when this started. Both sides of so called negotiators are a disgrace
Dude, the last contract was literally a negotiated one, that went quick as a bunny and was voted in….
Are you sure about that??? Because all I remember is the rotational.strike that lasted about 2 weeks and then we were legislated back to work
So true! We know most of the CUPW leadership at the national and local level ate excited about going on strike. The 90% of members who are good workers want a settlement. We know an arbitrator will always choose Canada Post’s offer, because CUPW’s demands are ridiculous.
I’ll never support our union cupw, in fact I’ll do and vote the complete opposite of what they ask, I’ll throw people under the bus to management.. because I no longer care. Where was the solidarity during Covid vaccines? Members attempting to humiliate me, saying I’m a conspiracy theorist. Sorry I’m not sheep like the majority of cupw, sheep walking right into their own slaughter. I was hoping by now members would be apologizing that my “conspiracy theories” happen to all be true and fact checked.
But no, they still wear masks in the outdoors. I hope CP gives us nothing but rollbacks, I’m already financially blessed. It will warm my heart to watch members suffer.
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I agree 100%
Pretty bold statements for being anonymous
Give us the final offer in 2-3 weeks and let us vote. Simple.
NO ROLLBACKS! WE WILL STRIKE!
You can strike I cross thr line.
What will you do when there is no Cpc and you have to get a real job where you work 8 hours a day and your whining and complaining will mean nothing.
This is a typical response from someone who doesn’t recognize that CEOs are making hundreds of millions of dollars on the backs of low and middle-wage working-class taxpayers. Instead of asking for people who are making a decent wage to stop whining and get paid garbage and struggle to get by, maybe you should think about why we aren’t asking the millionaires and billionaires to take a cut. Pretty sure they’ll be okay.
The hell with a damn strike!
The union only let’s us vote after we’ve all lost thousands of dollars in a strike or lock-out. All part of their master-strategy. They’re not geniuses, as all members eventually realize!
So true
We are dealing with inexperienced union. All they are good for is getting our member dues. THEY ARE CORRUPT!!!!!
GET a deal!
Yes
Yah, I don’t want a strike. Only been with the company for less than 10 years, and the thought of Canada Post losing even more business because of a strike doesn’t bode well in my mind for our future. Personally, I would be happy with the 10% over 4 years. A bit more would be nice, but not sure how realistic it is given our circumstances. Even without a raise, we are still either headed toward massive government subsidization or layoffs? I’m not sure how Canada Post is going to add other revenue streams when people already complain our current work is too much. I wish I was more optimistic about this future!
Yes, we need a better raise and no strike. We have to take what is offered in a few weeks for the final
Offer or we are kinda screwed. Simple as that.
We will never agree to rollbacks! If CPC wants to try and harm us we must stand up and fight!
Yiu stand alone
We have taken roll back for 20 years. Severance pay, longevity pay, 2 tier pay and pension.
You are out to lunch.
That’s a union rep talking!!!! Majority of the members want a deal.and not go on strike. WE HAVE BILLS TO PAY.
I continue to be taken back by the amount of disrespect towards other groups and our leaders at CPC. Who cuts your pay cheque? If CPC is not viable, and jobs are lost, where would our frontline employees seek employment? I guarantee you would experience a rude awakening seeking employment in this economic climate. Be grateful for what you receive currently, your compensation package is generous and far from what you would receive with high school education and in private industry. The negative attitudes and disdain for the corporation show the immaturity and delusional nature of some who we employ. It’s toxic and relfected in the shortcuts and risk taking that we see everyday putting your health and safety at risk and taking advantage of our customers who expect the service they pay for. This is not how we compete, this is how we lose everything. Very sad.
Ah, the be grateful speech. “There are kids starving all over the world”. I had an obese uncle that used to give that speech before every Christmas dinner as a child. Always worked because everyone would lose their appetite. Very sad indeed.
I totally agree. Even worse is the fact that CUPW’s leadership is even more unrealistic than the workers on the floor. Canada Post has to exist and compete in the real world. We need a union that is also making demands based on the real world. Otherwise, everyone knows where this is headed. Let’s hope for a miracle before November 3rd!
CUPW is only out for themselves. They really need to open their eyes. All they talk about is postal banking. I wouldn’t put a dime in anything that they would have a part in. It’s bad enough paying them union dues. They fight fir the wrong things and the wrong people always. They need to be gone.
Have to agree with this last comment. CPC employees misdeliver, card items as they see fit, items go missing, and always trying to take short cuts and you want the public to to do banking with that kind of track record? No chance.
For sure 100%
Exactly WHO would put money in a CUPW run bank with the idea that the bank might go on strike every couple years? nobody with a brain would use it.
Well said!
I could almost agree with you. Its obvious your management and thats fine. But what i cant agree with is the billions cpc has already spent on PTclaiming they need more and more concessions, cpc receiving continuous pension holidays, the cpc ceo and other cpc board members sitting on the board of Purolator Courier which gives every appearance of a conflict of interest, and cpc 90% ownership Purolator. If things go bad, just send the business to Purolator. Theres no incentive for management to do anything, and thats been apparent by the amount of business cpc has lost. And that business was not lost because of workers or the contract. It was lost due to complacency and an unmotivated management team. It seems that the cpc board of directors are quite content to accept a pending failure of cpc to possibly attain a long term goal of privatization or a severely trimmed cpc coast to coast operation. While i will conceed the union does not have a right to dictate how cpc wants to deliver and sort their postal operation, the union has every right to improve benefits, health and safety, and wages in accordance with inflation. Especially since most cpc board members, directors, and managers received hefty bonusess for a $728 million dollar loss. Not good optics to make a point.
It’s so true. This ‘group of companies’ that they run is blatantly choking CPC while the business is funnelled to the others. It’s not really as big a deal as the ceo makes it out. They are just trying to make the government see that it costs money to deliver mail. Which is true, trying to be profitable with a service is not feasible. But there is no need to create this ‘sky is falling’ narrative. They spent a whole bunch of money, which they made during COVID, on some needed upgrades, now they are told to stop spending money. The contract will be more or less the same as it’s always been. The union will say we should take the deal. It will be about 15% over 4 years, none of the other major changes to pension, RSMC vehicles, etc, will happen, because those are scare tactics and outrageously expensive proposals. SSD may get amended, since there are lots of injuries and extra labour costs already coming out of it. Unfortunately, they need to play this game, and mess with peoples lives for the next month.
They list money during Covid. They had to give free forwarding, hold mail, redirection and work a smaller number of people. The overtime was bottomless just to keep up. Everyone making double time chews through any extra revenue. Fun fact, it is just as busy now as it was then, we just can’t make money under the current system. Lettermail is still dwindling and points of call are expanding. Not a good success recipe. FYI the sky is falling
I love you newbies, can’t spell and make statements like they’re true but can’t back it up. Business is not even close to what it was during covid. I was getting 30-50 parcels a day. Now 10-20. Even our CEO has stated that we went from delivering 63% down to 29% percent of all parcels. Work has been siphoned off to the other companies. When the deal is signed, everything will magically be restored, as it always is.
We do deliver 29% of all parcels instead of 66%. That number is the same as the Covid number, they just cant afford to pay this union demand as the structure is not sustainable. You do realize the percentage number can be smaller while the volume can be the same right? The overall market is way bigger now and we can barely get a taste. Probably not your area of expertise with your daily routine being what it is.
It’s okay, you obviously can’t understand my point, because you’re bent on somehow blaming the workers and the union. I understand numbers very well. As I said, the VOLUME is nowhere near the same as it was, largely in part because this company has deliberately scared business away or siphoned it off to their other companies, it has nothing to do with union demands. There were no demands, they signed a two year extension, because everything was status quo. Now all of a sudden ‘we will run out of money next year’. Hahaha you can’t make this stuff up.
Agreed!!!
Who can afford a stike these days?!
I’ve been with the company 26 years now, I’m not a “newbie ”
A strike would hurt everyone! Just think, how many people would default on their rent/mortgage? Car payments?
We get nothing unless we fight.
You are going to get nothing even if you fight..you’re being delusional. The union is not o oir side. They are working for CP and the liberal.govt.
For a two week strike? If you don’t have any money in the bank I think you have bigger problems
Yes anonymous!!!.you must be part of the negotiating team. Of course your bank accts is full.
At least 20% raise over for years would be great, better benefits or easier access Musculoskeletal treatments, since wear and tear on our bodies is a major issue after years carrying books , bags and all kind of flyers, in all kinds of weather and also keep our pensions… those for me are the main issues, everything else i don’t really care.
Things like saving the world and the “rights of cats, dogs, and parrots “, are not really important and it seems to me that those are things to please a certain groups , rather then workers!
Isn’t posting company information on social media (CUPW Facebook) and making derogatory comments a serious issue?
Maybe an update in the collective bargaining agreement is needed?
Stop trying to censor people on social media. Free speech is just that. Get rid of your facebook account if you are too fragile for various opinions.
lol, CUPW and free speech, that’s a good one 😂
When I started working for Canada Post some 30+ years ago, it took about 5-6 years pay to buy a house here in Vancouver,. Now it’s at least 25 years pay. I don’t know.
What happened to the older supervisors? All the supervisors I see at my workplace in bc have less than 5 years service. Many from amazon.
They’ve all retired. That’s why you get comments like “they are finishing routes in 4 hrs.” What they don’t realize is the supervisors and superintendents would go home after 4 hrs of work. My old staffing officer used to arrange the OT around 8 am, and he would be leaving to go home at 8:30-9 am. And our supervisors, would be leaving by 12pm everyday. Sometimes earlier. Good luck to the next generation, they won’t stay around, but they don’t realize that no one hires supervisors from Canada Post, terrible reputation.
Guys!!! Why would the corporation build a state of the art sorting facility in Scarborough and upgrade the existing one in Toronto. Can anyone say AMAZON!!!!!!! We will be taking over the delivery for amazon. That is why they want employees to work on weekends and until late every day. Amazon is laying off approx 12000 managers in 2025. CUPW is aware but is in cahoots with the corporation and liberal govt
The hydro company, gas company and water utilities are all encouraging people to go paperless (green) Their unions don’t seem to mind stepping on our toes one bit. It’s business they say. If CPC wants to make more revenue maybe it’s time that we read their meters for them. Charge them accordingly. We are going to all those addresses everyday anyway. Carriers all have PDTs now.
How about setting up a high security, guaranteed Email service?
Get rid of all the red outgoing mailboxes and transform the relay boxes with slots to handle incoming mail. Now the customers have more local places to mail letters from including the CMB mail slots with less spots to retrieve them from.
Instead of doubling the cost of all services– examples.. stamps, hold mail , redirection costs parcel fees– encourage mailing with letter writing programs. CPC pen pals club. Fifty cents a letter.
I can hear the criticism already. Just spit balling revenue making ideas. It seems like all we ever hear is senior check ins and postal banking from the union and work more and pay less from the company.
these are great ideas actually. much better than saying CUPW should be running the mop buckets or driving longhaul, with the yellow milk jug
It’s nothing about going green it’s about saving money keep the paper mail coming through mail going through
Have you heard about smart meters, no need to visit physical address to get meter readings.
Lets not forget Logistics Unicorp. You know, our supposed union brothers/sisters that we support with millions of dollars to supply our uniforms. They encouraged us to go paperless at first. That encouragement turned aggressive quickly. now you MUST order your replacement uniforms online. NO MAIL ORDERS.
Next pay period take a look at the top of your pay stub. Canada Post wants us to go paperless to receive our invoices. It’s like Pepsi telling you that you should drink Coke. This has been happening for years and not a peep about it anywhere.
Here’s a spit ball….lets encourage people to mail letters instead of telling them it is not cost effective nor eco friendly.
Does the corporation deem it fair to reimburse hardworking frontline carriers $1.3¢ per admail bag delivered that contains 9 flyers in it? Who benefits at this expense of health and wellbeing? Because it certainly isn’t the carriers actually doing this work.
There is one topic that no one brings up and I don’t know why this subect is “AT RISK PAY”. Because of covid all supervors received a payment of appprox $2500. FOR WHAT REASON? As I do recall supervisors were hiding in the offices while we were on the floor making sure the mail got out putting ourselves at risk and most of getting covid in the process and bringing this damb disease home to our kids! AT RISK fine I will agree we all were but going forward each and every employee will receive equal pay for putting their family at risk THIS STATEMENT IS NON NEEGOTIABLE! It is also seperate from our wage increases
This is not factual and has nothing to do with Covid. It is a target based payment that is not an entitlement. It is earned and the “at risk” is the payment and not the action to receive it. If you don’t do your job to the standards, you don’t get anything. Learn before you start making comments. Don’t just parrot what you have been told
You’re obviously a supervisor. You have no reason to be on here. You should be digging around the flyer bunkers making sure there is an initial beside every barcode.
Somebody needs to clarify the nonsense commentary. Just because you believe it, that doesn’t make it true. At Risk is a bargained, goal driven target, instead of the guaranteed money that you get. Not paid on time value either, so, you know like a full shift.
Just keep the mail going through
Attacking someone for having an opionion is bias. We need to think outside the box.
Don’t post comments about something you know nothing about just for the sake of saying something, you only make yourself look foolish. At risk pay is about performance, commonly referred to as a bonus. Very few are getting $2500, not even close.
My Perspective
I have personally experienced disappointment. Union members convinced me, in the past, to believe in the demands of the union. Today what I have seen is like what has happened in the past, doesn’t feel like it will lead to a different outcome than the status quo. Since being a member of CUPW in 2014 we have undergone 3 contract negotiations that ended in disappointment. I’m personally providing my personal bias that the company nor the union has ever been in the best interest of everyone during previous negotiations. I have experienced back-to-work legislation, arbitration, and having the same contract extended and the results show we have been worse off. Pointing fingers at the union and the corporation for not having the interest of customers and employees at heart. During this round of negotiations, we should personally reflect on the past and realize that a lot is at stake. It seems we should take whatever is reasonable, but that is impossible to determine when both sides are so far apart. Everything could be on the line this time and there is no way of coming back from what may happen soon.
Low membership turn out for voting on guiding policy has made it hard to mobilize the membership on the ground. The problem is that the members on the ground don’t have the support of a minority of the membership. That can be due to frustration of what seems to be a repeating cycle of disappointment. I feel the only way to get more involvement from the members is by asking them what they need to succeed in the workplace. Members may feel they haven’t been heard, so while we are divided on the path forward the employer has engaged with surveys and small gestures to see how the employees feel about their jobs. This has been a strategy of divide and conquer. Strike votes across the country are underway. It is important for our union leaders to inform us about the issues at the bargaining table. In the future I’m hoping for more communication and honest conversations about operational changes for the future. Trust, respect and understanding is the pathway to gain solidarity.
In summary we must stick together, even when we don’t agree on everything, this has been the problem with disagreement. We have lost what is important and that is to be united. If there are perspectives that could lead to a better outcome it would be beneficial to all of us to be active listeners to what is being offered before allowing our personal bias, as I have, to undermine a possible different outcome. As it is said somewhere united, we stand divided we fall. – Founding Father John Dickinson
In solidarity with our negotiating team
In the last round, the first offer from the company was better than what is now the current contract. CUPW is a business, their sole objective is revenue from union dues which funds the Executives lavish lifestyle of travel, condo’s and endless Tim’s runs. It would be nice if we all got along and were working for the public, but as with everything, it all comes down to money.
Well so much for the safety concern of letter carriers, this SSD needs to be rid of!! I feel today because I couldn’t see the stairs over my bag & the ridiculous 3 bundles in my left arm & hand. I’ve twisted my ankle. I’m so upset, how can Canada Post expect us to deliver like this?! We are still door to door in our area. What about winter months when things become more hazardous?
I have no more comments all I’m saying is keep the mail going through I’m on the worker side
If you order a uniform and watch the tracking. It will say 1 to 11 days for transportation. This is for across country. For Expediated shipping, this is horrendous. This is where our leadership has driven the company, not the frontline staff.
Members who want a settlement that is realistic and fair need to let our leaders know. From what i seen is both Canada Post ans Cupw are out of touch.
No ROLLBACKS!!!!! NONE!!!! And min 10% raise from Feb 1, 2024!
The truth is bor sides need to compromise to get a deal done. That’s called negotiating. Some of CUPW’s demands, like vehicles for RSMC’s are ridiculous. At $40,000 pet vehicle (a modest delivery van) that would cost at least $400 million for Canada Post. How could they possibly agree? Every RSMC took the job knowing they had to provide their own vehicle. They are already paid for mileage and insurance. The wage demands are also unrealistic. If they had negotiated a year ago when inflation was still high, they might have had a chance!
Canada Post also needs flexibility kile seven day parcel delivery to get some business back. I wish CUPW wad ryn by intelligent, reasonable adults instead of rhe current group. It almost seems like they’re hopung for a strike. In the meantime the 90% of members who just want to work and feed their fanilies will lose thousands of dollars and end up with an arbitrated settlement worse than Canada Post’s current offer. As usual!
Sad. I remember when I started working here as a letter carrier, almost 30 years ago…I was so proud. Now, people quit almost as fast as we hire them…below industry pay, and deteriorating working conditions have made it impossible to retain new hires. You need to do better Canada post! We used to be rated #1, in trust by the people of Canada….now, we’re a punchline.
Just sayin’…..
Average Amazon.com Delivery Driver hourly pay in Ontario is approximately $21.37, which meets the national average.
Average FedEx Delivery Driver hourly pay in Ontario is approximately $20.16, which meets the national average.
Average UPS Delivery Driver hourly pay in Ontario is approximately $18.45, which is 13% below the national average.
You are using a horrible source for those numbers. Look up their contracts and get back to us with actual facts. Ps. your same source says the fedex package handlers make 15.56 in Ontario. That’s less than minimum wage. So we know for a fact, those numbers are bupkiss….
Your numbers are off
I agree, check on their contracts
That is not true a total lie.
Misinformation, disinformation and lies. CPC specialty.
Fedex Driver salaries in Canada
The estimated total pay for a Fedex Driver is $89,866 per year, with an average salary of $76,274 per year. This number represents the median, which is the midpoint of the ranges from our proprietary Total Pay Estimate model and based on salaries collected from our users.
FedEx inside workers make half that
Be careful what you wish for.
I don’t know where you got those numbers…but they are far off the truth.
All delivery Guy i meet on the road makes more than my 31$/hour…. even the ones starting, i started 25 years ago(excluding amazon as they are paid per package delivered+low salary).
We own Purolator… they are now paid more than 35$/hour….
We only have competition from other companies where there’s money to be made…. we are the only company that delivers everywhere across Canada, that’s responsible for most of our losses.
P.S. in your average salaries from other companies, they might include all class of employees to make their average. Our company pays the inside and outside employees the same, maybe that explains the difference…
Its unfortunate that CUPW executive refuses to accept the fact that our revenue is shrinking and that lettermail will only decrease with a work disruption.
If CPC understands we will NEVER abide with ANY rollbacks, perhaps a work stoppage can be avoided. NO ROLLBACKS!!!! EVER!!!!
It is wild
That somebody working inside, just dragging empty monos around gets paid the same as a letter carrier.
Maybe you should try to come inside and work. Its not as easy as you may think.
its all putting up flyers and mail and moving around monos and making sure the stuff is going to thecorrect bunker. its NOT THAT HARD
It’s wild that they pay people to supervise those inside workers. Just sitting at the desk watching them pull empty monos around….Give your head a shake. Most of those inside workers are long time letter carriers that have done the difficult job for decades, beaten up their bodies and are reaping the rewards of years of service now with an inside job.
You know what’s hard? Having a letter carrier who is a union rep.and having a letter carrier position and this rep hasn’t delivered a stitch of mail in 2 years because they hired a temp to take care of his route while he’s a rep.union. can you say cupw being crooks!!!!!
It’s time to say goodbye to unions and let businesses run more effectively and allow them to clean house. These demands are indicative of a group of people that do not care about the state of a company that feeds them and their families, but more about their own selfish and unrealistic requests. CPC needs to remove 75%-100% of its staff and start again. This is the only way they will survive, and unfortunately that will never happen and CPC will be fighting for survival for many years to come. The result of that will be frequent turnover at the upper management levels which is not good for big organizations such as this. So, this leaves the company having to cut positions and centralize the rest of the country, and that MAY put a dent in the problem. Oh but wait – the unions don’t want positions slashed or centralization to happen!
So, the union fights for more positions and more $ and expect everything to be rosy. Right some smart they are! Good luck, CPC!
Yes, we need a over inflated management team spending large amount of funds and misdirecting the company in the state we are in. Yes it is the people who work daily to ensure the product is delivered and pull in the revenue. Spot on, we should have 9 directors for every carrier pointing the finger.
You don’t pull in any revenue. You are just another sorting and delivery machine. People go with other companies because you cost more than they do and they deliver 7 days a week.
Way overstaffed. Especially at the management and supervisory levels – heavy cuts needed here.
Remember, our competitors are not successful because they pay their workers crap. They actually pay them more than us in many cases. Get rid of some management, the bonuses, and woke BS CPC constantly peddles. MAKE SOME MONEY!!!
We get nothing unless we fight.
I don’t think that there is a single thing both sides agree on. Company should just do what they did last time. Offer no changes and a raise (but a bigger one than offered that addresses re real inflation). Then the two sides can pretend to discuss all the other issues again while that contract plays out.
Waste of time. So meeting in the middle. Like I said 7% 5% 4% 4% – 20% 4 years. CUPW gotta drop some of the nonsense, and these two gotta stop wasting time. This should actually be illegal for these bargaining teams to take this long. Both should be removed after this. An arbitrator or any idiot outside of this negotiation room could get this done real quick. I’m sure their all going for lobster lunches each day. An investigation should be done after this…
NO ROLLBACKS!!!!
Here, here.
There is no way both parties will agree, there are too many differences. The thing I wonder is if we go on strike, will Trudeau be able legislate us back to work? Who would support that legislation, not the NDP or the bloc, Conservatives want the government to fall so that means a long strike/lock out before the Christmas season which can’t happen there would be a public outcry… It will be interesting to see it play out.
Nobody will legislate you back. It used to be a big deal but not anymore. That is why this situation is so much worse. There won’t be much to come back to.
Let’s see, inside workers are already overpaid by $10 an hour and a money losing company is gonna give them a 12.5% hours increase on top of that?
Anyone at CUPW want to buy some swamp land in Florida??
There is some validity to the inside vs delivery argument. Let’s not forget though, inside workers puch a clock and are present for 8 hours full shift. Many in delivery work less than 8 hours, some get finished in 4 to 5. How is that justified, working 5 but getting paid for 8 hours. So as others have said the model is broken.
NAH. a full walk WONT be covered in 8 hours ESPEICALLY if you have commitments such as RPO clearances and CPU. SO yes, we lca DESERve more then inside workers if they are actually paid more and BOOHOO. IF YOU finish in less then 8 hours, kill time
Inside workers start at less than some Wal-Mart plant workers. Wake up pal. We need raises!!!!
Inflation-adjusted purchasing power at the beginning of 2024: 84.90 dollars
Increase in prices in 5 years: 17.79%
Decrease in value in 5 years: 15.10%
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Common sense will hopefully prevail.
Nobody can afford a strike these days!
People can barely afford gas, let alone a strike!
Great offer! Management take it and settle this now.
Haha it’s called negotiating.. why should CP just accept CUPWs offer? Same way they can just say accept CPs offer. It will go more CPs way, I’ll bet not even met in the middle.
great counter cupw let close the deal canada post and get it done and over with it.
my replies keep getting deleted or ?
Probably, because comments like this part of the problem.
nah, its just delayed so i am good
I would be very happy with this deal! I very much doubt Canada Post would be. Maybe we can meet somewhere in the middle?
thats waht i am hoping. COZ IK FOR A fact CP WILL reject this smh. at least HAVE BENEFITS FOR TEMPS
Try 20% wage increase over 4 years. The rest i dont have enough knowledge about 🙁
That would be a dream we can all keep dreaming
i would have also asked if theres a way to expedite Temp employees to Permanent FT or at least PT by opening more positions but i guess that cant happen
This is good news. Hopefuly both sides can get a deal. I hope common sense prevails this round.
Good news???.. we’re in trouble, there is not one thing here that will be agreed upon.. it would be nice but it’s a pipe dream. We are so far apart after 1 year it’s ridiculous.. buckle up folks, this is going to be a long one.
Unfortunately your right