CUPW negotiations: Canada Post presents new global offers
October 29, 2024, 08:18 pm
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Canada Post has presented new global offers to the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW), for both the Urban and RSMC bargaining units.
Higher wage increases
We’ve presented enhanced offers that propose higher wage increases and demonstrate that we’re serious about reaching negotiated agreements, without any labour disruption.
The offers continue to protect and enhance what’s most important to you, including your defined benefit pension, job security provisions, cost of living allowance, leave entitlements and health benefits. Like the previous ones, these offers propose changes that would only affect future employees hired after the signing of the new collective agreements.
Urgency needed at the table
Both parties must urgently focus their energies on resolving outstanding issues to reach negotiated agreements. Nobody wins if there’s a strike. A labour disruption would have significant consequences for employees and the millions of Canadians who rely on Canada Post.
A labour disruption would affect Canada Post’s ability to invest in its employees. It would deepen the company’s already serious financial situation as customers move their holiday shipments to other carriers – which has already started happening due to the uncertainty surrounding a labour disruption.
For this reason, the offers are conditional on reaching negotiated agreements, without a labour disruption. We’ll continue to keep you informed as the negotiations process unfolds.
Read about the new global offers
- Watch for a mailing sent to employees’ homes (for CUPW-represented employees).
- You can also read PDF versions of the mailings – for the Urban unit and for the RSMC unit.
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I am not and never have been a postal or government employee. I have a cluster box. From the outside looking in, I would comment that we used to send dozens of cards and letters and packages, especially at Christmas, but not anymore… cost, email/text, social changes, but I wonder that Christmas is not the highest revenue time, which pays wages and builds goodwill. I see online that carriers average $50K and supervisors $70K annually, but I don’t see any number put on the benefits values to the workers. I understand that expenses are not just workers wages, and I don’t know the other expenses, but I see that Canada Post apparently has lost 3 Billion since 2018. As a taxpayer, that’s my money, and as an ex (retired) independent businessman it looks like if Canada Post was a market business it would be bankrupt and out of business. To Trudeau I say STOP bribing us with our own BORROWED money and get the mail delivered. To the Postal workers, I say never mind what your union wants, ask what, in the big picture, is realistic.
Thanks for listening.
Your tax money doesn’t fund Canada Post operations. Not even a penny. Canada Post became a Crown Corporation in 1981 which gave it financial independence from the government.
So no, that is not YOUR money. 🤦🏻♀️
So I’m working as a parttime post office clerk in Toronto I’m getting wage 18/hour is it normal?
No.
Are you working for Canada Post or a franchise like Shoppers?
Is what normal…. what wage did you get hired at.
So I’m working as a parttime post office clerk in Toronto I’m getting wage 18/hour is it normal?
I strongly disagree with the suggestion of ‘Senior Check Ins’ We are not health care professionals and I feel that it opens us all up to possible liability. Not a good idea. Let’s stick to what we are suppose to be about….delivery service of mail and parcels. Period.
One thing I strongly disagree with that has been suggested is ‘Senior check in’ Its not a good idea at all. I’ve worked in health care and now as a postal worker, we are NOT health care professionals and that is just opening us up to possible liability. Just saying…..
Here is my take on all this:
1. the wage increase sounds reasonable
2. I have to have a 40 hour work week guaranteed with SALARY PAY non-negotiable
3. let them hire part time employees to work weekends to deliver parcels so we are competitive with other courier companies but continue to give us permanent full-time employees first pick to work Christmas weekends when their is a surge in parcels.
4. SSD is coasting Canada Post more money as they have had to create a new position to sort flats (not a smart move on CP side). Majority of LC are coming in and re-sorting the mail that has already been sorted to sort in with sequenced mail because you know we only have 2 hands.
As a LC who is out delivering a full day and if not more the wear and tear on our body is going to be a problem and will end up coasting CP money again. Weather also plays a big roll and for a LC to be out all day 6-8 hours is not reasonable in the scorching sun or the freezing cold. we also have to come back and do flyers so then the day still is not done.
5. I don’t think a strike is good for the long run on either side and the little money we will get a day to picket is not going to pay my bills. it wont pay the gas I will have to use just to get to the station to picket, once taxes and union fees come out ill be left with nothing or maybe in a negative. I get we need to fight for some things but I am frustrated.
Just how I feel. Person who needs their money and job to survive.
SSD actually eliminates positions and allows every vehicle to be used more hours per day. That’s the whole point. I really don’t think we can win the fight against it, but may be able to improve it slightly and make it less burdensome. It’s good that the two sides are still talking because with a strike/ lock-out everyone loses. We all know workers deserve a reasonable raise and also that Canada Post needs to increase business and be able to compete and once again grow. Both things can be true at once!
The point that is often missed is the corporatiins financial woes are not because of the high cost of front line workers. The head count of positions in CPC having salaries in the 6 figures is hard to nail down as are most things financial but when an executive earns the same $ as 10 delivery agents there may be ways of cutting costs that still allow a li able wage for ALL employees.
The way it sounds on this forum maybe we should surrender and take a pay cut.
Get 2 other jobs to make difference. Canada post management still needs to bankrupt the SERVICE. There is still some for them to take.
Look at the new C250 delivery truck set up mostly for letter mail trays? Who is getting greased. Letter mail is supposed to disappear. Cut management not workers
I already have another job since I will probably never get full with Canada Post.
You are right. I will probably need a third job to maintain my cost of living.
We have been working 4 hour days for lasy 3 years and getting paid for 8 .We don’t need 25% of workforce.We should give option to retire without panishment to all people with 25 years in to keep all young once .This corporation is on the way to bankruptcy,why changes to system are not done already ?
6%,4%3,5%,3% and let THE MEMBERS VOTE not few CUPW insiders !!
Who’s been working 4 hours days for 8 hrs pay for 3 years. You sound delusional and should not make that claim, if you’re out there to rush that’s on you risking your health and well being, you don’t speak for everyone here. I was a letter Carrier for 15 years, even before Postal transformation when the routes were better. I’ve worked my 8+ hour days in the heat and cold and snowy days, you don’t speak for all working 4hr days.. Shake your head, The only thing I’ll agree with you is your numbers, I’d more at 5.5% year 1, 3.5% year 2, 3% year 3 and 3% year 4.. in the end CUPW will screw it up for us, also management needs to be cut at least 10%-25% getting bonuses for micro managing as well as not having experience in the job. We don’t need 2 supervisors for ever employee.. Also the execs are getting big bonuses, they made the decision for Albert Jackson, they should pay the consequences for the financial losses.. Time to trim the top tier people from the corporation..
100%
The point that is often missed is the corporatiins financial woes are not because of the high cost of front line workers. The head count of positions in CPC having salaries in the 6 figures is hard to nail down as are most things financial but when an executive earns the same $ as 10 delivery agents there may be ways of cutting costs that still allow a li able wage for ALL employees.
Everyone is allowed to vote. Everyone should vote. Even though I ended up a supervisor, I always took the advice of the bargaining committee. They are at the table every day and are supposed to have a better understanding of what we could get
I would say this offer from CPC is a good one and we should accept it. We know what will happen if CUPW continues to say no. Like other contracts before, we’ll be locked out, after a certain amount of time, will be legislated back to work, and the contract we end up with, will not be even close to what they are offering now, but much worse. We all know it’s happened before, it’ll happen again. Come on people, wake up. We know CPC hasn’t lost nearly as much money as they say, they continue to spend ridiculously, however, lets face facts, in this economy do you really believe that we’ll get a 18% (over 4 years) increase. I highly doubt it. I know that just under 12% doesn’t sound great but really do you think we’ll get much more?? All I’m saying is that most of us can’t afford to be off work with no pay for long or at all and with all the money CUPW collects, most of us won’t even see that, especially if they do rotating strikes, which is what i’ve heard from more than one person, is going to happen. Waste of time, in my opinion, although many members made it clear that they totally disagree with rotating strikes. We need to get this done.
Agreed, the offer sounds pretty good, actually. I hope there’s no strike, it would be extremely bad for business.
Nice try. You sound like a member of management or a corporate exclusive.
You are definitely not a CUPW member. Stop the rhetoric since you obviously don’t work as a letter carrier, depot support staff, or a floor worker at the plants.
You are not believable.
Exactly.. I’ve said the same as well, smells like management
Sure the offer sounds acceptable for current employees. If one forgets what being in a union means. The reason we don’t make minimum wage, have LCRMS, paid breaks,or any bennifit above the minimum labour code is due to the fights by previous CUPW members. To sell out future members to our own present situation is not an option and not worthy of being a CUPW member that enjoys the gains of past members fights and struggles. A tiered bennifits situation has new employees doing the same work yet being compensated at a lesser rate. Treating new and future employees work as less valuable leading to division and resentment. Wages are not the only consideration and if the past CUPW members thought of themselves only you and I would have a much less valuable pay and bennifits package. Solidarity is past, present, and future and represents the strength of the worker against corporate greed and waste. Force the employer to find cost savings somewhere other than the future CUPW members. SOLIDARITY!
So it’s November 3rd today.
What is the update?
Ok- here is my take
Add 1 percent to the final 3 years- we dont want to go through this BS again in 2 years time , do we? The raise for this year is retroactive , so in essence, we are getting 7.5% beginning in 2 months anyways plus a dollar value to top up the lost year in negotiations- That should keep us in a competitive range
Next we should be glad to keep the 6 Personals we are given, but which can be taken away at anytime- this works out in our favor ,because it is a type of bonus, in time rather than cash which is taxable anyways, and adds an extra option of time -this is a GOOD thing
SSD is happening if we like it or not- end of story and is non negotiable ( pun intended)
As a letter carrier who has fixed work and is out there for the full 8, I take exception to the inside criticizers that really dont understand our role- we are out in all types of weather conditions/ volume conditions and putting some major KM s on our body on a very consistent basis- we are the FIRST and sometimes ONLY point of contact with CUSTOMERS – we are the true representatives of the company and we have the most ACCOUNTABLE piece of the delivery model-if we make mistakes, we hear about it! Some carriers are lucky to have a shorter day, but the work we do is far more consistently draining on the body
Thanks for listening!
I agree.
Well said.
I wholeheartedly agree😉
100% agree
Long time LC. I love my job the people I work with and even my management team. They are all reasonable people that I enjoy working for. The company not so much. I don’t believe this constant back and forth that these employees are useless or overpaid, or those in management are useless and overpaid. We all play a role here. There is a lot of money being brought in by this company(maybe not as much as they would like) and there is more to be made, with reasonable changes to working conditions and adjustments in spending. But there is no reason for knee jerk reactions, where one group needs to take any blame.
Nothing says management like your comment.. Obviously not a letter Carrier, but CPC
I am not CPC. This is how it was in the not too distant past. You worked along with your supervisors, even went out for lunch and drinks with them later that day. And they stuck up for you because they knew the kind of worker you were. The COMPANY does not want that culture anymore. But there are still a few of us still around, just near the end of our time here.
You don’t go out to lunch or dinner with Management, that’s called conflict of interest. You’ve already revealed the side you support. You clearly are management spamming these posts..
I have to agree with the post you judge as a conflict. Back in the day it was truly a team effort with the goal of delivering the mail. Now corporate mentality and goals has shifted and as our process if delivering the mail has changed so has the supervisor’s and superintendent’s. Before a supervisor would run a rain cape or crown keys out to a LC that forgot or got caught in the rain. Now the mandate from above is one of enforcement and disciplinary measures with little concern for workloads or inefficient procedural changes. A cohesive team results in a less toxic adversarial work environment where people are willing to go over and above for each other. Not fiction, but a historical fact.
I agree.
Possibly this person was once a letter carrier, but not now.
They are definitely working in the interest of their corporate masters.
Yes and so they must. It is their job to act as their boss instructs. Just as we have instructions, procedures and processes we must adhere to. The real difference is with the corporate mandate. Where once it was a team goal to deliver the mail in a professional and timely manner, now there is a concentrated effort on Financials. Ironic that as the goal moved the ability to realize the goal kept getting farther and farther away. Privatization and the monetization of Canada Post assets is the unspoken goal of any government that fonds its way to power. Clearly with each modification made to the job of delivering the mail the service to the customer is degraded. With the start of this movement being loss of door to door to the SSD model and all it’s faults service in a timely manner has been slowly eroded. There will be a day when the question of privatization will be brought to a vote and the less satisfied with the service we provide the less resistance to selling of assets to the stakeholders.
These comments are horrible. Not everyone is bitter and against management. Some of us enjoy our job and the people we work for. Some of us understand the way the economy works and the struggles facing ALL delivery companies right now. Just because a positive statement is made doesn’t mean the person is ‘in disguise’. Your vendetta is childish.
Well, PC’s are right around the corner election wise and if CUPW only wants a 2 year deal then so be it. When they get in, you will end up willing to give your right arm for an offer like the one just made. CMB’s will be reintroduced, 2nd day mail etc. Kiss good bye to a 1/3 of the workforce right there. Don’t even think about striking because it will just be a P.C lockout to bust our already weak union.
lol, you haven’t been around too long, have you
Long enough to know and see that every single one these things ends the same way. An arbitrated loss with a strong arm push for what they want.
Dilusional you are but that’s okay. See what happens in another 2 years when this all comes around again-aint going to be good.
There is truth in your observations. There is also a defeated attitude that urges your union to take whatever is offered and be thankful for that. Not exactly a union mentality I wish to adopt or even have voiced. If not for the belief that there is power in numbers and that solidarity will win over greed and fear mongering we wouldn’t have the 8 hour work day or the 40 hour week or minimum wage or parental leave or paid vacation or or or. All of these bennifits were fought for by exactly the same forces and against exactly the same forces that exist right here, right now. Once one learns what worked in the past and what didn’t the knowledge gained empowers.
I have an idea if only our Useless union was smart enough from the beginning to ask for an appropriate raise.. I would go in with this proposal ..
15% over 4 years
5.5% year 1
3.5% year 2
3.0% year 3
3.0% year 4
I feel this is attainable, obviously more is better but the union screwed up everything from the Beginning.. No surprise as CUPW is a bunch of Incompetents.. after a contract is signed we should have this union removed and bring a responsible and strong union in, Teamsters works with logistics and would greatly help us move forward instead of just stealing our money.. Cut management at least 25% to save on losses.. Managers are not needed and when I was a letter Carrier in the past we had 1 Superintendent for 7 stations at 280 progress.. Just using South Central as an example, thee are 6 or 7 superintendents.. When you have Supervisors already why you need so many superintendents..? And 2 managers..? 1 manager and 1 superintendent will suffice and cut the supervisors at least 10% that one location alone.. So much money can be recouped easily and we can make a reasonable wage..
great statement, i agree
Who dropped the ball on all the lost parcel contracts? Why do depots now have 2 superintendents? Why are depots getting restructured every 2 years?
Corp shouldn’t rent cars at Xmas for them to be parked all the time.
Carriers should be able to separate the RTS mail from adressed admail to first class saving huge $$
Didn’t Cupw already sign off on evening and weekend work for part timers last contract?
Cupw also needs a huge overhaul!!!
You are joking! Right?
Firstly, how is it that you believe “the useless union” is some independent 3rd party providing independent negotiating services? Who is employed ir voluntarily works in a union capacity? Who is it that represents CUPW members? Why do those that act fir CUPW members take on the duties of their union position? It ain’t the $$$ or expense accounts or fame or power. Try getting out of the arm chair and serve your fellow CUPW members with a little more than an entitled view of what is a little more complicated involving a little more than a wage increase. The responsibility of CUPW members is to yesterday’s, today’s, and tomorrow’s CUPW member. Those of the past have given us our current pay and bennifits as those of the future will inherent what we fight for today. Solidarity is timeless strength of a union of individuals. Solidarity, SOLIDarity, SOLIDARITY!
I would like to state I do not look at these types of sites, as they make my blood boil for so many reasons, and I have never made a comment on any site, including any social media. Just not my thing. That being said, if I was CPC management or executive, and read this page, I would be feeling pretty darn good about the division created in what CUPW calls a union. The majority of the comments I read today have truth in them, even when disagreeing with each other. There is no winning side here. I know someone very well who works in a higher position with CPC. I have also been involved in the union on a local executive level and have attended courses and a conference with regional and national CUPW (employees). I call them employees as I believe, and voiced that they are responsible to us, not us to them. Prior to this job I worked in finance for over 30 years. I have a business along with my position as an RSMC. Yes, I am not afraid to say what I do or who I am, for fear of repercussion. Knowing what I know and what I have seen, I would not want either side to make any decisions in regard to my business, and even less for my personal life. Any financial course I’ve taken, training I’ve received, or financial institution I’ve worked for would not give high regard to the business CPC runs. As for CUPW…., I shake my head. I’ve been in rooms with the angriest people I have ever met, yelling, screaming, and talking like we are in a war. We’re not. We have to find a way. Both CPC management and the Union will continue to get paid regardless of how long we are off, or how reduced our purchasing power goes while we just try to keep up with inflation. This is reality, like it or not. I believe we need to try come together to some make steps toward a better future for all. Most of the loudest complainers at the plant I work at will not attend meetings, and ramble on no matter how little they know. Without them it took way too long to repair our own local, so that we now have one we can trust to work for/with us. I would hazard to guess some of the comments I have read today don’t support the union but sure as heck would demand the reps be there when they need them. My suggestion…I feel we need to do our best to come up with an agreement with CPC as quickly as possible. There are families who cannot afford to be off long, the company knows it and will use it. Once that’s done we need to band together as a union, to fix and/or replace CUPW. If we continue with 90% of our members not getting engaged then we have no one to blame but ourselves when it happens again. And it will happen again. Once the new CBA expires we’ll have the same CPC executives, and the same CUPW executives.
WE ARE the Union…all of us…not the Union..WE all of everyone working at CPC on the labour side.
Except right now the executive has all the power and nothing we can do. They make all decisions and we just have to hope they are representing everyone.
Agreed.
now they are talking about they wont announce strike if cpc doesnt do a lock out. like whats going on i just dont understand. CUPW should be cut out a different union is required one with direction and actually does something in exchange of union dues. we cant even get grievances addressed.
As long as they are seeing progress at the bargaining table keep it going. Any improvements we get before what will likely be arbitration will help.
yes a level headed person…a strike or lockout is no good for anyone.
keep bargaining plz
It’s time to cut the management personnel, most of them stand around and know nothing about the job, we are the back bone of the company and we should be getting the bonuses not them.. Also Cupw is useless, they will turn down every offer we get, no where in history have they accepted anything fair, only to get us worse then offered. CUPW you’ve screwed us long enough, let’s get a union with experience Teamsters.Also management cut you staff, paying $70000 per supervisor which is not required because they’re useless for the job. We don’t need managers or many superintendents anymore, money being wasted. Time for them to cut their bonuses if they want to save money, and for us to remove CUPW from stealing from our pockets and selling us out for less..
Remove CUPW simply taking the money and not doing anything for us.
No cupw
laugh out loud
we would be working for minimum wage, no annal leave…no personal days, no days in lieu…no benefits…etc etc etc
Teamsters would get us better benefits, wages and more personal days because they know how to negotiate. They don’t require a year and go to Cuba when they feel they deserve a break when they have a job to do for its members. Teamsters works with all the big logistics like UPS, FedEx, Purolator and have gotten contracts in less time without mediators and they’re not afraid of the media like the coward CUPW’s are.. Shake your head, we’re looking to replace them with a stronger union and reduce our dues at the same time. CUPW are crooks to raise our dues to pocket and extra $300k for doing nothing and they will end up having us not getting paid while they line their pockets with our dues, no one said go forward without a union, we need one that brings us together, CUPW has failed to bring us together..again. Time for change, you sound like a CUPW executive.. 🤡
Wow! How do you think your duties would look if not for past efforts of CUPW. Did you know that all CUPW members are members of CUPW? Who is this third party you call “the union”. Who hires them? Who fires them? Who are they accountable to? Who do they work for and who pays them? It is always easy and convenient to pin the blame for a less than favorable circumstance on someone or something far removed. It’s called scapegoating. There us not one person serving CUPW members that has fame and fortune or any such selfish motivation. The union is staffed with union mbers and membership is the ultimate power with membership having final say in all matters within the union. If you don’t believe this and think it’s union rhetoric you can read it in black and white and innocent uncertain terms in the constitution that is the operational framework of CUPW. The wishes of the majority rule.
Wow! How do you think your duties would look if not for past efforts of CUPW. Did you know that all CUPW members are members of CUPW? Who is this third party you call “the union”. Who hires them? Who fires them? Who are they accountable to? Who do they work for and who pays them? It is always easy and convenient to pin the blame for a less than favorable circumstance on someone or something far removed. It’s called scapegoating. There us not one person serving CUPW members that has fame and fortune or any such selfish motivation. The union is staffed with union mbers and membership is the ultimate power with membership having final say in all matters within the union. If you don’t believe this and think it’s union rhetoric you can read it in black and white and in no uncertain terms in the constitution that is the operational framework of CUPW. The wishes of the majority rule.
I strongly agree. They have a lot of people up top with nothing to show for. All they care about is their KPI ( key performance indicator) which in term determines their bonus. KPI forces everyone to be out for themselves and that is why this company can’t work as a team.
You’ve won comment of the day. Well thought out and realistic. Congratulations on summarizing your intelligence.
Thank you, I hope as members we can come together and move forward into better working conditions, and with a union that actually cares about it’s members than just spending our money. We deserve better treatment from both side..
Biggest issue is CUPW coming to the plants trying to make plant workers care about SSD as its one of the biggest sticking points. LC”s finishing their routes in 4-5 hours and going home paid for 8, they dont have the plant workers sympathy but CUPW expects us to care. We dont, plant workers dont get that same courtesy.
I was a letter Carrier so you have no right to think they all finish 4-5 hours.. I was working 12.5 hrs a day when I finally decided to go inside and work in the plant. If you don’t know the LC job don’t comment on it because most of not all in the plant wouldn’t last a full day delivery
That’s exactly right. For all those inside workers who think LCs have it easy, please transfer over and give it a try. Walking 15k on a foot route everyday, being outside for hours in everything from -30 blizzards, months of pouring rain in BC, or +35 heat waves. Not to mention dealing with every type of person in the public and their dogs. The only readon LCs finish early (not 4-5 hours though is because we work hard and know how to hustle. Every inside worker I’ve ever seen doesn’t know how to hustle. They work as slow as possible to fill time until their next break or the end of their shift. Definitely two different types of people and I tend to agree with other posters that LCs should be paid more than PO4s and other inside workers.
Oh my God in our office they take more breaks than work they oversized parcel sit there in the cages after being sorted for 20 minutes with no one around to sort them inside workers have no rebuttal when it comes to saying that letter carriers are not hard workers we are the bottom of the barrel we get everything out as fast as we can we are efficient we have to work in the weather etc etc
These people have no idea the amount of parcels we had to deliver or you currently deliver. Christmas was a slaughter house and weather conditions throughout the year, they only have to walk in from bus stop in front of plants or park in parking lots while they run in and claim how Hott or cold it is, without any real understanding how the weather conditions and constantly holding up to 30+ pound of fliers, mail, and packets and parcels are like.. I letter carried for 15 years before going to plant to save my joints, back, hip and knees from getting any damage from the job, so they know nothing about the letter Carriers jobs
no LC should not be paid more than PO4s..
I guess you have not seem many inside workers.
Yes there are lazy inside works. BUT there are also lazy letter carriers..lazy msg’s lazy supervisors….people are people…some hustle…some dont
plz…dont judge book by cover
Come inside and off load trailer when its +35…or when its minus 20
You dont go home early…Swipe ID card when come in…when go for break…lunch..change work area…supervisors on your back all the time…
Some are miserable..mgm included….
No going home early if finished
But its nice and dry inside.
AC
Some people like their job and it shows…
100 agree.
me too…thats why I went inside…was rlc….crappy job…thought 20+ years would get me my own route…but no…anyways went inside. Miss working outside and on my own sometimes…but…dont get wet. No customers to deal with.etc ..etc etc…
both jobs good and bad
The ‘courtesy’ you receive is getting the same wage as a letter carrier.
100% correct
Your comment is laughable at best. Without inside workers getting you the mail that needs to be delivered you’re simply nothing.
lol, the a job any machine could do, just the union tries to save it. We all know it would be more efficient to have everything sorted by computer. Can’t do that with delivery…yet
The problem is that the new hires should only be allowed to start as letter carriers. Let them see the work. I have trained many over the years and they just can’t do the job. Inside work is for those that have worked for the company for decades, and paid there dues working a difficult job. You trade time for the unknown; volume, weather, and new initiatives by the company. If they can’t make it as a letter carrier then sorry, they should be allowed to go management or inside.
One of the better comments I have ever read. Comment of the day kudos for your common sense. This would address many issues. It would also be the only true probation period to weed out the weak…bravo!
Canada Post should pay us fairly and stop trying to make it look like they are doing us a favour.
No thank you.
I recently joined the organization. I feel demotivated being at the bottom of the ladder. After 8 months of waiting, I finally got in as a casual employee, but I still haven’t received a call to return to work after training. Why the current recruitment and why isn’t this large organization viewing us as authentic Canada Post staff? Why does CP only consider employees as permanent or full-time? I am looking forward to getting started with work. While everyone knew I was hired by CP, my excitement and pride were dampened as I waited for their call. It’s disheartening and disappointing that despite all the training, I haven’t received a call to return to work. The Union and CP should view us as essential for the business and prioritize excellent customer service in this competitive market. To uphold our status as the Leading Carrier in Canada, all employees should be recognized as part-time or full-time staff, with casual positions being removed.
We are extremely over staffed and don’t need more people. That is the reality of it. Then only reason you were hired is because all the people in the process to hire you need something to do.
100% true. Unfortunately the CUPW doesn’t care one bit about us. We make less than our brother’s and sister’s and are expected to wait for a phone call that may come today, tomorrow or in 3 weeks and be ready to work at a moment’s notice. What union, other than CUPW, would allow any company or Government entity, do that? Time to vote in the Teamsters or Steelworkers for strong, fair representation.
CUPw doesn’t care and they agreed to 2 tier pay system, because they knew Canada Post would hire more casuals and they would profit off them all with union dues. CUPW would sell us all off to steal our wages, they only care about themselves and no respect to new hires. The least they could do is pro rate the union dues if you don’t have much work, why work a whole day and they steal your whole pay for union dues, it’s disgusting behavior. Teamsters is experienced and they are involved in the logistics as well, they will fight and provide results, not 11 months later the government needs to provide a councilator because they don’t want to negotiate only go to Cuba and party instead of doing any work. Teamsters won’t stop till they get a contract and will be on the media unlike CUPW who hides and does nothing.. Totally useless and not for the workers
Here’s an idea, don’t change anything in regards to pension or benefits. I don’t believe we could ask for more, but I’m sure as hell not willing to give up anything. 1st year 7.5%, 2nd year 5% year 3 and 4 and beyond should just be according to inflation, if its low the past year like 2% then that’s the raise if it’s higher like 6% then that’s the raise, then the company can adjust their spending and pricing, and the workers aren’t asking for more than is expected.
That is asking for more than is feasible still. Casually offering to take 17-18% over 4 years is still too rich. Maybe if you allow the pension and staffing changes, but nobody wants that. The money to keep the things you like has to come out of a raise. The well is dry. A good bargain means both parties are unhappy. You cant win it all
It’s sad that you think that good bargaining is that everyone has to be unhappy. This is exactly the companies culture…I didn’t stay there couldn’t be changes to staffing, but just last year the our pensions were in good shape, so there should be no reason to ask me to pay more for the same. I’m not asking for more, just stay the same. The company made $7b last year, but spent more than half on other things than wages, I’m sure they could find a way to not spend so liberally. My family does it when needed
Where do you get that the company made $7b last year? They posted a loss of $748m before tax. In 2022 they posted a loss of $548m. In 2021 a $490m loss.
They are losing money year after year, because fewer people are using letter mail. This is tla big problem that will need to be addressed soon.
Don’t read what they tell you. It’s easily stated in their reports every year. Just read the numbers, they brought in $7b last year and the year before that. They love people like you, that just eat up their words. I didn’t say they made $7b profit, I said they made $7b which is way more than enough to pay everyone and the bonuses. They spent $3.4b on wages and spent the rest on god knows what….READ THE NUMBERS! You get an annual report every year from the company, they cannot hide those numbers it’s public knowledge.
You sound like management, maybe worry about yourself and your bonus . We should be along the lines of minimum 15% over 4 years..
5.5% first year, 3.5% second year, 3% year 3 and 3% year 4.. That’s is more reasonable
Its sad that Unions don’t understand the current fast changing customer needs and how competitors are at an advantage to cater to that. You can ask for all you want but it will make the situation only worse. And someday CPC might end up being sold to a private company and then the same people will complain why are they doing this. There are other postal services which were bought by private firms.
What is sad is reading all the corporate bull over and over.
Its a Canada Post Corporation…of course its corporate. Accept that or go work at a private company
CUPW will net let the members vote because it takes 3 months to do it. WHY??? Other national unions eg. rail or aviation can do it in 2-3 days. Thus lies the problem.
To all my fellow inmates. Does it not bother you even for an instant thar cupw did not allow us to vote for the latest offer. They just took away our democratic right to choose. I don’t remember giving cupw that right. It would take maybe a week to vote and whatever the majority rules. That’s how quality unions do it at other companies. Read between the lines bye bye cupw it’s time to bring in quality.
Are you not familiar of the negotiation process? Wait for it.
Reminds me of the 2011 situation… cp had its final offer which I thought was good …cupw would not let us vote .. went to arbitration and we got a worse deal than cp offer … TRUE STORY
Correct, we lost because CUPW did not give us an opportunity to vote and we got worse, this is what the union wants, if we’re happy we won’t have anger towards employer, they want animosity. We deserve fairness which means more control over union spending and decisions, better just bring in a good union that represents its members instead of a Union that doesn’t care and spends our money on vacations and partying.
Lock out coming. We were all told that nothing can be left behind. Over burden is one more time, why not eh
I agree with you on upcoming lockout, CUPW useless in negotiations
Theu union elites shouldnt have the say….we the memership should have the say…im going to my local mp to push this
Time for true democracy…force a vote on the latest offer!
Time to force out union, let’s bring on a union that cares about it’s members instead of making a mockery of us all.. Out with CUPW in with Teamsters
You would lose.
Force a vote to turf cupw once and for all, especially after we go to arbitration and get less then originally offered as well as lose everything they are asking for a new hire. There isn’t an arbitrator out there that will side with us on any of the outstanding issues..
Has the Union given the Post 72 hours notice yet?
we are the union all of us that pay union dues ARE the union
On Sunday, Nov 3rd
I am not sure but maybe with this huge raise and improved benefits. One day I may be able to live in one of the transformed postal buildings in subsidized housing. Finally out of my Mothers basement.Government dental who needs benefits. Work from morning till night no need to purchase cloths.They should reintroduce the Canada Post flag I can fly it on balcony.
Maybe the Union will get lucky and go on strike, only to find themselves facing an even lower offer imposed on their members, like I experienced years ago. Keep strangling the Goose that lays the Golden Eggs, and soon enough, there won’t be any eggs left to go around. The fact is, postal services around the world are under increasing pressure. In Canada, mail volume has been steadily declining by over 5% annually, as more businesses and customers shift to digital communication and competitors in the delivery business. This creates an increasingly strained financial situation where bargaining demands have to reflect the reality of declining revenue streams.
The days of traditional mail being a ‘cash cow’ are long gone. The Canada Post segment reported a net loss of $180 million in 2022 and hasn’t been consistently profitable in years. With those losses, the ability to meet every union demand isn’t realistic or sustainable. Accepting the current offer is not only logical; it’s essential for the long-term security of postal jobs.
Instead of treating the employer like a bottomless bank account, the union leadership should recognize that by pushing for more than what’s financially viable, they risk pushing Canada Post into a deeper hole. They should consider the big picture here: when an industry is in decline, the smartest move is to secure what’s currently on the table instead of gambling on demands that the employer simply can’t afford.
If we want to preserve decent wages and benefits in this changing economy, it’s time to think logically and lose the emotion. The union members deserve to keep their jobs, and Canada Post deserves a chance to stabilize its finances. The smart move is to accept a reasonable offer, or risk losing even more.
Ken, that was a very thought out and articulate post. Thank you.
Unfortunately, most of what you wrote is not completely true or fair. First of all, Canada Post management is responsible for the tremendous losses they say they have (very magical accounting, by the way). THEY are the ones who have spent $3-billion these last four years on failed “efficiencies”. THEY are the ones that lost or gave away contracts because they claimed we couldn’t handle the parcel volume. THEY are the ones not selling admail to businesses. And THEY are the ones that continued to give themselves 5-figure bonuses. THEY are also the ones that will not even consider the suggestions of the Union to make the company more viable. The oversight on spending in this company does not exist, and now the workers are going to pay for it??? No thank you!
I believe everyone agrees a new delivery model is needed (night and weekend parcel delivery), but this should have been implemented YEARS ago. The mail decline and parcel growth only seemed to be a surprise to the people running this company. And let me remind you, Canada Post is worth BILLIONS! The “operating losses” they claim to be having (again, crafty accounting) aren’t hurting them in the least.
We will not accept rollbacks. We will not accept a hit to the pensions we’ve been paying into for years. And we will not accept a paltry $3/hour increase over 4 years.
I think the current offer is not perfect. But CUPW could get more for us, maybe 15 or 16% if they kept negotiating and did not walk out. Your logic is totally correct, it seems like the geniuses iour unions leadership don’t realize Canada Post must have revenue in order to pay us. If they truly had the memberships interests at heart, they’d work with the companycoming up with ideas to increase business and revenue. We would all benefit. Instead get ready to lose thousands of dollars to satisfy CUPW’s need to throw a tantrum.
You realize the cupw people negotiating are clerks and carriers with a grade 12 education.
Why doesn’t cupw have electronic voting?
Excellent reasoning and logical argument! The millions upon millions of dollars collected each year in Union dues is the true incentive for the Union to flex its justification for existence. “We’re essential and important and we’re fighting for you! Just make sure you don’t miss paying your monthly mandatory dues!” Scam. Union is unnecessary in this day and age… this isn’t Detroit in the 1930s.
Well written ken. I have 34 years seniority at the post office. I have seen the declining mail the declining Parcels Etc. But yet the union wants and wants and wants I get that we deserve some type of a raise and job security but the latest offer was reasonable and we need to do something before there is no post office going on strike is not the answer we lose pay and more customers again not a good idea at this time and age.
The employer has tried to axe every job it can over the years and use millions of temporary hours to do the work. If any of you in this thread think you would be full-time or even have a job if not for the Union, shake your heads. The Union, following the democratically voted on ideas of the members, has fought government revues, the end of door-to-door delivery; and most other capitalist ideas that do not work in a public service. The Union spends millions on arbitration and lawyers every year because CPC violates the collective agreement daily and members grieve. If they stopped this the Union would need a lot less in Union dues. Our reps only make approximately $80,000 a year, much less than many members and many of them put in more than a 40 hour week/ every week.
Last day of work. Why not get the supervisors to deliver the routes? Most of them in my area were former LCs. They either couldn’t do it or didn’t want to for such low pay. I’d give my blessing to see them try SSD, with the same pressure that we face everyday. I’ll wait for a better contract.
I agree with you and you have my full support. The problem you are facing is that inside worker PO for is on the same wave scale as you which is a travesty. This needs to be corrected before you are properly compensated.
I don’t agree with you on this. The company has always paid them the same. This is not the reason for the lack of direction of this top heavy company. There is tons of business and money to be made on top of what we are already making. $7b last year, only about half spent on wages, where did the rest go? And which catergoy is the executive and management bonuses/at risk pay in?….But nice try blaming the lowly workers.
maybe check you spelling. Bashing inside workers doesn’t make sense.
We are all the same
MSC, letter carrier PO4s PO5s. Come inside and load or off load a trailer when it’s 30 degrees or more in the summer or when its minus temps in the winter. Then say how “easy” it is to be a PO4.
Inside and outside workers are pluses and minuses in regard to their work.
The more divided we are …the more Canada Post laughs at us.
Wow that’s pretty amazing. Not a single one of our soups has done the job they supervise a single day. All just hired as favours to friends and families.
Irrelevant and pointless. I don’t need to have played an instrument to enjoy music. Here are the rules of the job, follow them or don’t and the next interactions will be based on that. That’s all they need to know. They don’t need to have sorting experience or time on the street. Just like you don’t know what their job involves on a daily basis
all of CPC hires on based on who you know. You guys should see what happens at the fleet side of this company equally dark and clueless. Management just going on company paid lunches all the time.
They certainly have the staffing for it. Management will outnumber us soon at the rate they are going.
Our strike vote worked. Now we have a better deal. Time for the union to ask if we accept or not. I think this would be accepted by most new and old employees.
You must be a newer employee. CUPW would never allow us to vote on this offer. What if we accept it Lol? They’ll only allow us to vote after weeks (months?) of a strike/ lock-out when we’ve all lost thousands of dollars. That’s what CUPW always does.
Never accept. Look at Canada post new trucks in storage old LLV refurbished then decommissioned because outdated. New buildings new corporate retail locations that once were in delivery buildings. Put new corporate post offices were its hard to access. Outdated scanners that go down you can’t even tap or insert for payment. If you can’t be LC or clerk anymore because to hard for you supervisor position is right for you. Now you have the ability to tell your team to perform better on the jobs you couldn’t do. Stand up to the corporate greed.
Those corporate post office jobs are CUPW are they not? Be careful what you wish for about them being wasteful. Scanners are not old, they just get treated poorly, since nobody cares about corporate property
There is another waste of millions. Scanners. I am guessing they are about $1000 each. Probably way off on that number. Now customers can babysit their packages. Now people can call in with complaints when their parcel is sitting in Mississauga for 3 days real time. They cost the corporation billions and added work to the carriers while adding numbers to the volume of customer complaints. The IDBs were simple, cheap, breakproof, and also trackable. Were there studies done on how much they would cost and if it was worth it. I seriously doubt it. Just goober the white shirt clown with an idea that couldn’t be ignored. Take the money from the pension fund next round of bargaining.
No rollbacks. We don’t vote on a crap offer that harms members.
Canada post offer is a real joke. All carriers wage are below standard now. Our wages must less than a city bus driver without any physical work.
Interesting claim
So driving a bus isn’t physical?
How many lives on average are they responsible for?
Also you are incorrect about the wage
Don’t forget about the internet and how easy it is to confirm the wages of certain positions
It’s time for a change in Union, CUPW has done nothing but degrade the job to where it is now, putty for the company to mold how they wish as the union stands on top of the 60+million dollar take from employees each year.
Bring in a real union like Teamsters. Seriously, what we have got to lose that we haven’t already lost. Teamsters represent UPS and Purolator, CP Rail, among others. I know any union has its flaws but Jesus it’s sad watching CUPW pretend to negotiate.
I agree with this!
AGREE!!
Exactly!!
Agreed!!!
You’re so right, and CUPW had always been like this. They love going on strike, it excites them. Inevitably we’ll be ordered back with a worse contract than Canada Post’s current offer after we’ve lost thousands of dollars. BTW our CUPW dues will not go down!
Canada post ceo lied in parliament said no one ever received a bonus(cti). Lie 2 years in a row paid to all employees cupw and management. Then changed to at risk pay for apoc only who the last 3 years in this so called losing money phase got paid upwards of 4000 each. Plus evry person above received 10000 plus. And so on. The ceo who is crying we are losing money gladly took his 120000 bonus evry year. How does a company losing money pay bonus ??? The contract offer of 11 percent over 4 years equals 3.50 more by year 4. So a 87 cent raise yearly per hour. As we lose letter carrier during restructuring they turn around and hire more supervisors cause ya know they are stressed and over worked. This corporation currently needs a complete over haul. Are you ppl aware that the mangers to supervisors level employees only need a high school or equivalent No other education. The pension is over 4 billion in surplus and CPC hasn’t matched our pension payments in over 10 years. So the employees are the one who is funding everything. Leave the pension alone. Stop making cuts to benifits. And be open and honest about what I want removed from the ca. restructuring is a farse using whatever program and refusing to follow arbitrary decisions. Tell us to grieve it
No cti since at least 2011, you know when we started losing money before e-commerce started booming. You don’t have any idea what you are talking about in regards to at risk pay, a bargained for addition to a meager salary. You likely make more than your supervisor and work less time on the floor. You misinformed which is pretty common these days sadly
What are the risks exactly? Paper cuts? Sitting down so long that it hurts to stand up?
I think if we take a step back and look at the big picture as mentioned by a few , there is no precedent of a company making massive losses for 6+ years, with rapidly declining revenue and market share in all lines of business agreeing to a 15- 20% wage increase over 4 years for a workforce of over 55 k . It does not add up , nor make sense . The reason we find ourselves where we are is a combination of inability to be nimble in reacting to a changing economic landscape ( partly due to the way we are structured ) , a lack of ability to manage meaningful change and , more agile businesses geared to the E-com space scaling up and pouncing on our limitations. Irrespective of the causes and very valid grievances , now is the time to consolidate and unite so we can claw back some of the lost business. Even a 1-2 % increase in market share could make a massive difference . Its not a great job market out there if you’re older and companies everywhere are slashing workforce , benefits and plans .If we don’t grow , we will fade to an also ran and now is not the time to be myopic
Well thought out and reasonable comment. Sadly this stands out among the rest, but should be the majority. I will be more agitated when it comes out that only a fraction of the members even voted for this.
I agree and Canada Post does need flexibility with things like weekend parcel delivery to compete and get new business. Our parcel rates also increased too much and caused us to lose more accounts. It’s too bad CUPW can’t work with the company in coming up with practical solutions to increase revenue. This would benefit all of us. Instead our union keeps wasting time pushing outrageous ideas like ‘postal banking’ and ‘checking in’ on seniors as some sort of solution. Who would put there money in a bank that closes for extended periods of time every 3 to 4 years because of a strike/ lock-out Lol. It’s so hard to take CUPW seriously, no wonder Canada Post doesn’t. Imagine if we were represented by a competent union like the Teamsters or Longshoremen.
Management is still gets there bonuses and run the service down. Don’t drink the koolaid.Work together and strike.
I think if you take a step back and look at the big picture, consider the massive losses for past 6+years, the rapidly decling revenue and market share, i dont believe there is a responsible company out there that would continue to employee the same ceo and board of directors, allowing them to treat themselves to hefty bonuses as reward for such failures. Peleton just axed their ceo, and they were recovering from post pandemic losses. Asking for a decent livable wage with better benefits is not unreasonable.
That is totally valid , but does nothing for that vast majority in the short term unfortunately .There is no short term fix and if we have a disruption now it only weakens our case and strengthens our competition at a time when we are already on the ropes
Amen. Anyone thinking this is somehow an acceptable offer should give their head a shake. It’s not on the membership that the top brass who still have their jobs are running so called massive deficits. Pay your people and get your act together. Don’t punish your workforce for your inability to adapt.
Well said!!
I wonder if CUPW will drop our union fees after they screw us out of this contract because it’s become obvious they do not know what they are doing and we are paying for very poor representation
I agree with this 100%
Here it is November. We have playing child like games for a year. Everybody has their position on everything that’s going on. I could get high school kids with zits and no experience at negotiations who by now would signed a new collective agreement that would satisfy the overall process. Shame on both canada post and cupw for increasing the anxiety and discontent of everyone involved .
Im reading the comments and cant help think that many people do not have a basic understanding of economics. When is the last time you saw a company that’s losing major money give a 7% yearly raise? Bottom line is that everyone in every industry is technically underpaid since COVID. Our own gvmt is responsible for the inflation not CPC. I work with our commercial clients daily and can sincerely say that our market share will keep dropping if changes are not made. It is a difficult time. Smart move would be to reach a deal and avoid disruption. As long as the company is losing money, nobody will get what they deserve. It is frustrating but the answer is not to make it even worse by losing more business. Our competitors are feeding on this right now. If there is no volume, all this will be for nothing. My own income has decreased since COVID due to loss of business. We need to work collectively and build CPC back up so that it becomes profitable. Only then can we expect to have our wages and benefits increased. I have many friends in OPS and many of them have bragged about working 3-4 hr days for years while being paid 8. Now that the company can no longer afford this model/loophole, they are complaining. If CPC was a private company, wages would be 30-40% lower. All this to say, do not hurt the place that is putting food on your table but instead help make it better. The union will not be affected by any losses the company or its employees incur during this negotiation.
Ups fed ex dhl are private companies and they make more. Purolator is offering 65% off for a year for shipping and it’s in our family. I’ve heard Cpc has forgotten to renew contracts over the years. I heard business complain how hard it is to get a sales rep to answer question from Cpc. Does Canada post actively seek new business like the private companies, is the pay structure for apoc sales team like private or is you get pretty much the same pay regardless of closing sales, and if it’s not your jam can you then transfer to be a facility supervisor?
The Purolator and other deals are marketing promises that are 65% off a price nobody ever pays. Looks good on a banner. CPC rates were good but now they don’t quite match. The reason is that the other companies have joined group discount sites and we have not. We can’t afford to with the mail heavy structure. All sales reps have incentive based pay so yes they do hunt and sell new business. Whatever you hear on the street about contracts is false and if they actually have a commercial volume they will be called upon. They don’t stay because they have to watch all the accounts they won, leave to the enemy every 4 years. Notice all of these other well paid unions never stop working? Only you.
Inside workers make $10 an hour less at the competition. Facts!
Not at Puro
Ask UPS/DHL/FEDEX agents if they are able to work 4 hours and get paid for 8. Only then can you make a fair comparison. These are also US companies with Global presence. As for Sales being involved, you have no idea how hard it is to keep a client in the transport business today. Anybody with a drivers licence, and probably some without, is now a delivery company. Sales is also managing a very large portfolio of clients many of which are very difficult to work with. We do not deal with the shipper in the warehouse but the people controlling the money. A lot of the things CPC cannot do like other carriers is due to union restrictions. Even the smallest variance from the norm needs union approval and months to implement. All this has a direct impact on customer experience and Sales is there to manage that. You mentioned hunting for business – where do you think the clients come from? It’s also easier for our competitors because every 4 years we basically hand over a pool of established high volume clients on a sliver platter. I sometimes get clients complaining that their pick up agent is angry because they have a lot of parcels to pick up. Do you know how hard it is to acknowledge that? It can take months to negotiate a contract and than you hear something like that. I know this is a small minority but it doesn’t take much to turn a client off with the options available today. I appreciate and fully understand the hard work our operations are doing. Its not easy being a delivery agent. CPC has the people, network and the potential to be great. Problem is we are heading toward a path of death by a thousand cuts and its very unfortunate.
Listen ask them if they want to deliver flyers and mail like us in all kind of weather plz don’t compare our job with them they have only parcels u know how parcel delivery works we do it holidays always it’s much easier on ur body so don’t even start with 4 hours of work .How long can u do 4 hours work in our positions 15-20 years then u have knee surgery or hip surgery I don’t think any of those other companies that even work 12 hours parcel delivery wear their bodies out like we do so stop talking nonsense!!!we need to be paid way more than them !!!
They deliver boxes in the same weather that you do. Heavy things as well, not requiring two person lift. Pushing postcards into a box all day with someone else delivering your parcels is not any more straining. Your group makes the comparison to the couriers. They do more physical work than you would ever do. There is only a small percentage of bad routes and very little walking anymore. Everything is motorized except for the union complaining about that efficiency
Is it true someone lost of the apoc sales team can work from home? Thanks
There are no customers at their houses or the office. They work on the road, meeting and hunting. Home is where they take calls after hours and on weekends and holidays. There is no money if they don’t sell. The salary is not enough and they would not have a job if they didn’t meet their targets. Imagine that is a novel concept to a workforce that is able to just show up and do the minimum. You get the same money as the good workers. That never made sense to me
I totally agree with your comment, but unfortunately the execs and negotiators at CUPW seem just as naive and uneducated as most of our workforce. Yes, inflation was 15%, 18 months ago, toobad CUPW wasn’t negotiating then. Guess what everyone, inflation is back to 2% now, so we’ll be lucky to get anything over 10%. Not to mention the thousands everyone will lose in a strike/ lock-out. What happens if the government falls and there is no one to order us back for weeks or months. No I’m not a management plant, just an LC who has been here many years and seen our union do this many times before. It’s not rocket-science, negotiations mean compromise by both sides!
Inflation is back to 2 % now but as usual in typical myopic management trolling you forget to mention that almost everything that went up 18% in price has stayed at that level and will likely never come back down. Where in your uber infinite wisdom does not getting offsetting raises now come into play? CPC mismanagement created all of this mess. Who signed off on all the wasted money? Its on them NOT the employees but WE have to make ALL the sacrifices? Give your head a shake. Lastly the govt should open a public inquiry into and fire the entire board of drunken sailor spending
So you’re saying, anyone not drinking the CUPW kool-aid is a management troll? Sorry but you’re wrong. Of course inflation was high and workers do deserve a good raise. However, the reality is CUPW blew it once again by not bothering to negotiate when inflation was at it’s peak. I’m just saying we need to be realistic. The latest offer is 11.75%. If our union would drop some of there more ridiculous demands (like vehicles for RSMCs etc) and concentrate on wages they might be able to get it up to 15 or 16%. I agree Canada Post wastes money, so does CUPW. The difference is Canada Post pays us and we pay CUPW! All I’d like to see is competent, professional representation for my $1200 per year. CUPW’s negotiating techniques will cause us all to loses thousands and receive a smaller wage increase when we are eventually ordered back. I hope I’m wrong, but that’s pretty much what happens every single time.
I have issues with cupw at times also but now is not the time for that. We need to close the chasm thats formed between our wages and cost of living, inflation etc. Anything under 18 -20 % and we don’t break even. So the 11.75 over 4 yrs is basically an ongoing pay cut. Time to stand up for what’s right, fair and just. It’s no secret there were zero issues paying bonuses right down to floor level supers so I call BS on
no money left for us!
RSMC’S are the problem, and some of them are part of the National in CUPW. If anyone recalls how many contracts we lost to be in favor of RSMC’S, blame the union.. They also agreed on 2 tier pay just so Canada Post would hire new employees so they can take their dues. Also keep in mind sometimes Canada Post only gives casuals a few hours of work and union takes full dues even if they work 1 day.. CUPW does NOT and will not care about any of us, they’d be smart if they’d allow the temp/casual workers to be prorated for dues instead of them coming to work and giving everything to the Union.. CUPW demonstrates to everyone their narcissistic way just as bad as CPC is for health and safety and mental health. If you think the union is for us, look at all the unions who went on the media and got everything they wanted for all the workers while we get Peanuts. Just read the Rural and Urban demands, all about RSMC’S again..
Well said.
Well said. So many delusional trolls on here shilling for the company. No wonder we never get ahead. These people complain about CUPW for their losses but never fight for themselves. Hopefully they’re outnumbered this time, enough is enough!
Do you work for CPC. Is so did you receive a bonus the last 5 years. Again if you did how ? The company said it lost money.
3-4 hours hahahaha keep believing the hype and stories salesman! Your comments are absurd, 40% less? Don’t blame the employees for schedules the CORPORATION makes! Enough rhetoric around this topic. It is on the company to change imperfect schedules to get more value out of the employee. Ever think maybe route measurement is out to lunch and likely has some ulterior motives?
Here from Engineering community. Don’t forget when CPC was in profits, unions like PSAC never got raise more than 2% or even worse in years 2012, 2013 and 2014 when we got no raise at all in those years. There is a huge gap between salaries while I stand here in 2024 considering past 10-15 years of contracts. Everyone has to zoom out a little bit and look at the overall picture. That will help understand the things better I think.
Economics 101… If your business is failing, and your posting year over year multi million dollar losses, you trim the mangement fat first, then reorganize. You dont pay yourself and your mangement team ridiculous bonuses, then ask everyone else to sacrifice without first doing it yourself. Leadership is making that sacrifice. CPC has always, and will continue to fail every step of the way.
Strike,Strike don’t sell out the retires and the new hires they are the future. Retire in dignity. The less we get the more management gets. This time it’s a good to catch up on wages and put new employees in DB pension not decide.
Nothing changes they present offers now after a year. We are the UNION and it’s our Country.
Have fun losing a months pay and getting a worse deal when we finally settle.
Have fun being a sheep, your entire life. This fight is not about the here and now only it is about the future and looking out for them. We fight now for their benefit later, just as our Union did for us before!
When you have no money left, I am sure they will help you out for being generous with their futures. As if they care about your sacrifices
Lol, your Union has lost the last 4 contracts making of us poorer.
Let’s be honest, CUPW is only there to assist those unable to do the job properly!
By this logic the job would be exactly the same as it was 40 years ago wake up to reality
Here here. Finally a comment I can agree with. Anyone of you members of CUPW that are making comments against our union – shame on you !! These are volunteers who try and stand up for our rights – if you don’t like what’s being done you have every right to put your name forward – if you think you could do a better job. And by the way get educated about the issues and the history first.
So true, just the same thing that always happens with the genius-level leadership of CUPW.
Yep. That’s what’s going to happen. Strike never works.
Is the CEO taking a pay cut from the $600,000.00 he makes per year? Is the many VP’s and upper management cutting from their $300,000.00 per year?
Have they canceled their bonuses? Cause they just got one recently.
After the way management lost all of our parcel business, they all should be fired. During Covid we had months of 1 million parcel days. We delivered them all. YOU lost the business. After working all throughout Covid this crap offer is your thank you. Absolute garbage.
Who is telling you that you are being offered a pay cut? You deliver mail or sort parcels in a warehouse. Other companies caught up because they didn’t have to waste effort on mail delivery. How are things going with the USPS? They lose more money than you can imagine each year. Mail delivery is not profitable anymore
THIS IS MISINFORMATION, PLEASE STOP
All carriers works are too physical. Every morning moving up and down sorting, Sometime need a couple thousand time up and down for sorting. Delivery a Flyers are too heavy physical job, but the pay is much less than our job should got. U wanna me to delivery the flyers you need pay me reasonable wage. No one wanna delivery flyers underpay. Do you knows a simple bus driver who’s working at city his wage much more than us but less stress and no physical. Even more benefits.
You know what you can do then…hit the road if you can do better
Sadly, one can do better or the same. Other private companies,and not just courier, realize they had to do better to retain their staff. That has come in the form of better benefits than those offered by cpc, employee discounts which cpc has never offered, and while the hourly wage offering is currently lower than cpc, the new offer by cpc will have new workers only earning a couple of dollars more an hour for many years before a raise. It wouldnt be worth the headache to work here, putting up with all this nonsense, risking serious injury, and working in all kinds of nasty weather. Take away the defined pension plan and now there is really no reason to be here. Cpc will have nothing more to offer than walmart, home depot, ups, fedex… whatever. The only ones who make money at cpc are superintendents, managers, directors, and upwards. Dont confuse their salaries with that of the workers.
….but you choose the work. If you want a huge increase, choose a job that pays more. You can’t squeeze water from a stone. Our best option is to accept the offer and be grateful to have a job in this unstable economy which includes increasing financial demands that we can’t cover without work…….
Remember the last contract CUPW rejected, cost full time posties $1500 signing bonus, n worse contract imposed on us, than what Canada Post was offering? Same conditions are playing out again. Better to counter offer and make a negotiated contract than have the Government impose a contract on us again!
What members don’t understand is that management is creating a future of Cupw members with no defined pension, benefits that are very much reduced, very different vacation leave for new hires. This is a offer that will destroy the defined pension plan for active and retired members. When the defined pension is not being funded by new hires it will reach a point we’re nobody working now will be able to collect a defined pension. This is utter BS offer. Management needs to get off their behinds and got out there and regain and retain contracts that were lost to non union workers MAKING MINIMUM WAGE . ABSOLUTELY REJECT THE OFFER AND WALK IMMEDIATELY ON NOVEMBER 3 OR 6 . TIME TO FINALLY TAKE A STANCE .
That’s not how a defined pension plan works at all you can easily look this up
You got it, Brother see u there.
You clearly do not understand the situation nor the impact. The ridiculous CUPW demands will drive the company into the ground. The only winner there will be the union.
You know Canada Post CEO is a government appointee. We go on strike, government will force us back to work, like so many times before. Impose a contract on us that may not be favourable to employees. Canada Post management relies on this forced back to work. Why do you think they play hard ball and not negotiate till the end. They get their way if we get locked out or go on strike.
The government is currently filibustered. So no legislation can be passed.
Ya’ll know USPS got 1.3% annually over 3 years right? Negotiated over 20months where they were pleased to reach the agreement. People need to start living in reality not make believe land. The public does not care, if a strike happens everyone we will get far worse than what’s offered here. Time to get a deal done before there’s no Canada Post to work for anymore. You think the contract will get better next round when conservatives are voted in? Take this offer while we can now!
USPS has no right to strike and were furious about their contract. Let’s keep it 💯 okay?
Finally someone more in touch with reality on this comments list. Much as I’d love to see 18%+ over 4 years it’s just not feasible. This is NOT the Canada Post of 20 years when union had the the upper hand and the only competition was the UPS/FedEx/etc of the world that cost much more. CP will not be around in 10 yrs with such increased wages and little volume. It will always be a government mandated requirement in the rural areas, but that will be it!! I suspect the veterans don’t care cause they’ll be retired by then. So get the max now while you can.
Ohhhh, I have been anxiously awaiting for someone to make this comment. Why don’t you share what the top rate is for a USPS urban carrier? Don’t forget to mention that rate is in US dollars. Tell ya what , I will gladly accept the USPS top rate with 1.3 % wages !!!!!!! Sign me up!!!!
My wages have gone up just over $5…..since 2011. DO better.
Get the labor minister involved to order the union to allow us to.vote on this last offer!!!
There’s no pay increase. If you don’t compensate us for the inflation over the last three years, that’s a pay cut. There’s no point talking about future increases if we’re starting out in a hole.
The distance between the have’s and have not’s continues to increase in our Country! No one is to blame but everyone is to blame….
You Corporate clowns that is your best offer ?
Our best offer is to STRIKE !
Remember CUPW is a business they only care about their own agenda. Don’t be fooled into trusting their rhetoric, you will regret it. Sheep be sheep, if one goes over the cliff the rest are gonna follow.
Put this to a vote! Let the 50% of employees who don’t support strike have a say. The times they are a changing. Oh by the way, Amazon is hiring! Please do check out their total compensation package.
50% of employees? The strike votes came in at over 95% to strike. If you didn’t vote, you have no say.
Only people who do not understand simple economics would vote in favour of a strike at this stage.
Not every employee came out to the strike vote. Of the ones that did, they supposedly voted 95%. If this offer is presented to the members, I think over 50% of them would accept it. The union members will still continue to get paid during the strike. Where is the motivation in getting this done?
I bet it was less than 10% of the membership voted. Its 2024 CUPW, time to move to electronic voting!!
He did not vote bcoz he’s from management.
95% of 50% does not equal 95%
That number is Fabricated.. I know many across Canada that voted NO, nice try Diddy.. Union is the one counting, you actually think they will tell the truth for once .? The union is as corrupt as the corporation. We need a strong union, teamsters would’ve gotten us a contract in 2 months, not 11 months then go on vacation because they worked for the first time in 4 years. Wake up CUPW doesn’t care
I couldn’t agree more. I’ve spoken to a number of people working in different locations, and there are a lot of people that said NO to strike, so how they come up with 95% is beyond me. CUPW takes our money, and a lot of it, and do what they want to do! “Conferences” poolside in Dominican or elsewhere on our dime.
we literally had a vote on whether or not to strike? did you miss it?
He did not vote bcoz he’s from management pretending to be a CUPW member.
its amazing how all the long time employees want more money. That’s the joke! You want a 20% raise, why, so you can continue to work a 4 hour day and get paid for 8? Join the real world, you people wouldn’t last two days in a different job. This is hard work, but its a pretty sweet gig, take the deal move on and continue to work part time hours for full time pay and benefits. What do you think is going to happen if we go on strike? Where do you think our revenue and pay cheques come from? Everyone is looking for an excuse to move their business somewhere else and striking gives them the chance. Money and business we will never get back. Get your head out of the sand!
Stop blaming the worker for poorly structured routes.
Another insulting offer from the greediest corporation in Canada!!
Doesn’t come close to catching us up after the 2yr covid deal let alone taking into account the huge cost of living increase that has left us way behind
STRIKE this offer is a joke and 50 – 50 split for benefits how is that fair. NO WAYYY.
I personally would be okay with a 50/50 split, providing the benefits were a heck of a lot better than the ones we have now. We should be fighting for better benefits and other perks. I think the wage increases are fair considering the mail volumes.
I love the future employees concern. LOL make sure when you retire you keep paying your union dues and checking in on how the work force is doing.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!
That’s a good one CPC
CUPW sign the deal! 56000 current employees is what matters! Not so called “future” employees those people can decide for themselves if they want to work here same as the rest of us did
STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE!!!
We will get nothing from a strike. Nothing! That’ll just mean we’re going to go to arbitration and get an imposed contract with lower wages than initially offered. AND we won’t receive it until mid 2027 in the form of back pay (if we’re lucky ) and pay higher taxes on it because of it being a lump some payment
Absolute garbage offer. STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE
Everyone in here crying about the Pension didn’t read the offer slow enough. The pension stays the same for all current employees. Go look up FSRA as well
PC’s get in, which they will, let CP change the charter, and then we’re screwed 😡
+25 year employee
Ahh the charter. It’s so outdated and ready for an update. But CUPW doesn’t talk about that. Shhh. Change is bad. We stay same and do same and we strong.
“For this reason, the offers are conditional on reaching negotiated agreements, without a labour disruption.”
And let me condense it to our language… for this reason, the Canadian union of postal workers have sacrificed themselves since 1970s, and for this reason , we as a union shall not concede to corporate greed and corporate propaganda , and for this reason, the union has made us strong and for this reason, we’ll see each other on he picket lines brothers and sisters . 30.5 % over 5 years not 11 %! …… take that to your corporate banks .
hahahaha – Its funny you think you will get 30%. Once the arbitrator takes control, everyone will wish a deal was made. So many are living in lala land
3,3,2,2 is what the arbitrator will give us… in 2027 sometime. I don’t know about the rest of you but I’d really be able to use the raise now. I’d take less now to be able to get some purchasing power today not in 2027 when it’ll only be a lump sum payment taxed at half. 8,3,3,3. So do it now!
Of course any offer vanishes in the event of a stoppage. That’s how this works. The question is whether you can afford to wait for, what was it? 30%…Nobody is getting that for skilled labour never mind roles that are entry level. You made a career out of the first job you had. There was plenty of opportunity to earn more based on your desire for a higher level position here. You did not choose wisely.
Have a spine and go out across the entire country. None of these useless rotating strikes where we continue to do the job, hurting ourselves carrying two days worth while the corporation laughs at us. Not to mention not getting strike pay because we aren’t striking for enough consecutive days. So this needs to be across the country all out or it’s useless
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Amen!!
Exactly
Absolutely
100%. The rolling strike last time I thought was very ineffective. And if we do, do rolling strikes again. It should be an entire Province, and cycle through them in order.
Let’s vote. I don’t mind it at all.
Yes for me
Not a chance
I don’t speak for everyone, but I am a 18+ year LC. To me, this is not good enough, especially the threat of no deal if there is job action, the attack on pensions, SSD and now this load-levelling nonsense. IMO, The union should ask for our vote, but still put the strike notice in Friday. That way the employees can make the decision.
Nothing about OCRE’s. Sad, we do the same job, and never get notice. Why bother helping with this fight?? Also why aren’t we getting paid minimum wage for striking?
Us OCRE’s have nobody to fight for us. There’s an old saying, “We’re all equal around here but some of us are more equal than others”. The union leadership is A-OK with us doing the same work for less pay and no benefits. I can’t believe that we OCRE’s are totally forgotten about again and have to pay union dues for it, lol!.
why are you blaming the Union…. this is what the Corporation wants
Prediction time . We will turn this offer down. We will strike or get locked out. We will eventually be forced back ( if the public cares, which they don’t) . We will be forced back for less than the current offer .
I’m sure this sounds very familiar to anyone that has worked here for any length of time.
Wake up people. We are no longer relevant.
we did win on the last contract the rural msc’s got the defined benefit pension
Always happens. Union turns down offer and signing bonus. Arbitration comes back with worse. New employees don’t realize that. Shame.
The Liberals are all but powerless right now. The NDP and maybe even the Bloc likely would not support back to work legislation. We need to use the incredible never before seen leverage we have at this moment. All the naysayers out here are clearly management in disguise
Stay out longer then three weeks and you might as well look for a new job. CP is barely scraping by as it is. Can’t afford to miss the xmas rush.
You want to be out indefinitely? With nobody forcing you back the company will save more money than ever. The damage is done already with this sabre rattling so the time is now to act. How long can you hold out?
100% agree
Yes, you obviously have worked here for a while Lol. I’ve been with Canada Post more than 30 years and this is exactly the way it goes, time after time. It’s even riskier for CUPW now, because if the government falls and parliament is dissolved there will be no one to order us back. All of the people posting here demanding a strike are hopelessly naive. Do they think a Canada Post spirit will descend from the sky and give us a 20 or 30% raise. Please wake up and get into reality. If our union had any intelligence they would compromise and negotiate a settlement. It is within reach, before we all lose thousands of dollars each, and Canada Post loses even more business!
The government is currently filibustered that means the won’t be able to legislate us back to work.
Yes that will happen Ihope all the employees saying no to offer don’t order from Amazon which I know the majority does
Why are our employees so ungrateful? Please find another job, your negative attitudes bring down the morale.
Right, because messing with our pensions is showing so much gratitude.
Read the offer again slower, current employees pension remains the same. Then go look up FSRA
OMG you have to share costs 50/50, do take care of yourself, ensure you aren’t rushing and cutting those corners. That way your health costs will be nice and reasonable when you finally retire. But perhaps you would rather lose your job and work for a company that offers you nothing, not even employee status. Contract delivery agents get no pension, hello CPP and OAS. Start saving now, and do take good care!
That’s right amazon is hiring
The beatings shall continue until morale improves.
Sounds like you should find a new job! Strike Strike Strike!
Ungrateful. The corporation is lucky to have me. 31+ years, zero lost-time-hours. They have done nothing but take take take whereas other employers recognize good work. Here, it’s they who are ungrateful. They treat every employee like a number. Good or bad.
Lots of management slinging crap on here
If Canada post messing around with our pension is not a reason to strike just on its own, then I don’t know what is. Grow a pair my brothers and sisters and stand up for what is right and fair, not this joke from top to bottom of an offer. The Liberals are weak right now, we got this
It’s time, put in those papers. Brothers and sister bahahahah.
As the members have spoken try again Canada Post.
100%
Carry heavy load, facing cold weather, I think all Carriers should pay more than others under the same contract.
One word to Canada Post “Joke”
Then quit
Oh look
Management showed up for the conversation
I can think of 2 words
Canada Post! There are no improvements to our benefits? We are forced to pay $50/year deductible as well as 20% of the doctors fee for dental/health benefits, this is unacceptable! We should get a health reimbursement account to cover these costs and the deductible removed. We should be paid more for flyer delivery! 1 – 2 cents per flyer is a joke, we also need flyer prep time!
The pay increase is insufficient! Other couriers such as purolator are earning more and this proposed pay increase will not bring us to the level we should be at this point in time!
Managers/supervisors earn more than CUPW employees but don’t work as hard as we do by any means!
Please Canada Post, re-consider and re-evaluate your offer!
Don’t see how they will load level when reliefs on the bench work 3 hr days and management can’t even get them to collate. Brutal
Canada Post. You made us a promise and we took you at your word. Two books of stamps and a truck farting a rainbow will not cover my mortgage. We did what you asked now it’s your turn. We got nothing through the pandemic. Time for you to pony up
Lol, people keep bringing up the pandemic where a quarter of posties lied and stayed home making the rest of us to carry the load. Typical CUPW behaviour.
And typical management spy response
“A quarter of posties lied”. Please provide proof of that.
Sorry everyone but the wage increase isn’t enough. New employees should be getting full wage after a year. Retirees can’t afford a 50-50 split on benefits. Carriers deserve prep time for flyers. Route measurement system isn’t fair. I could go on…
Bottom line is the corporation is moving closer to a fair contract but isn’t there yet.
yea, we might be heading towards a strike and its a mess in my local depot ALREADY
I agree with 50/50 split for retires not fair, as for new employees getting full wages after a year sorry but I don’t think so not for the ones I ve seen, they should have an annual review of all employees (work ethic, attendance, etc) actually there are some 20+yr employees that shouldn’t get full wages. Yes the carriers should get more for flyer prep but also union should fight to include the weight of flyers in the route measurement, our station gets lots, I had 15 sets that weighed 75pds for one sec, needed 3 satchels just for flyers,no mail or aos, showed supervisor ,union and rmo response we don’t include flyers in the weight, and yes I can go on and on
What is the split now on retirement benefits? does anyone actually know? I cant find it anywhere to compare. Is it 20-80 like full time regular?
Hey CP. Remember last contract, when for the first time ever, you proposed an offer with no cutbacks and a raise, and it was quickly brought to a vote with a few weeks, and accepted? Just sayin’. Easiest, quickest and least disruptive contract ever negotiated.
Lmao. You’ve never load leveled routes. Management still gets bonuses for doing practically nothing. You think what amounts to a $4 raise over 4 years is acceptable? Disgusting. But what do you expect from people trying to tell someone how to do their job with never having actually done their job. What does Doug make? Yall spending 5 billion between ’21-’25 and you “have no money?” Where’s that 5 billion coming from then? Where’s the corporate bonuses coming from. CUPW makes you money. Management is the drain.
A CUPW employee has never generated money for the company.
We generate money doing our jobs every day not like supervisors doing nothing all day and getting bonuses from altered and doctored financials
Supervisors don’t make money for the company either, but they cut into the fat and wastage. You want to run a depot by yourself? In a week it would be like Lord of the Flies in there.
Yes its such rocket science, CPC could never function without supers. Do me a favour.
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And they wonder why they can’t retain new hires….
Seal the deal! If we go on strike , things will get really bad in terms of business for CP, and for sure we will get sent back to work with a crappy contract. About new employees, it’s not really important, we have to work with what we have now, in the future when things get better financially we can work better contracts for new employees.
Ya, things never get better
Does anybody find it interesting that the media continues to completely disregard the cuts in the company offer and only talks about the wage offer (which is still way to low)?
Getting better, but benefits to get rid of senior employees and giving new hires less.
Umm thank you for raising your offer 1.97%. Very generous of you.
Add 10% more and we have a deal!
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Exactly!!!
Yes cause all companies give 7% yearly raises. Wake up people.
This story is finally making the news.The Liberals are all but powerless right now so union leverage is likely greater than it’s ever been. Make use of that leverage CUPW, do the job and demand better
YES SIR! I AGREE
Time for a “real offer”. Min 18% over 3 yrs with 12% up front. Also concrete written in to the contract assurances as to the immediate steps to be taken on ” working with the union regarding various specified issues with SSD” BEFORE ratifying the contract. Im tired of being tired overloaded, overburdened and underpaid with unnecessarily late start times
you forgot to mention, no skills, experience or education required, what do you believe would be a fair wage under these circumstances.
Canada Post is a SERVICE mandated to serve ALL of Canada, including remote northern communities. This model does not translate to bottom line corporate management and guarantees financial difficulties through no fault to anyone. Trying to balance your books on the back of employees is the epitome of callous business “sense”.
Your employees worked though the pandemic as heroes and now you have the audacity to divide and conquer with a two tiered insult of an offer.
Your “great” wage offer doesn’t come close to making up for the sky high inflation of the past few years. Dig into your humanity and come up with something realistic. Remember, that doesn’t include a for profit model.
They have already established that there is no profit. It isn’t because they bought some trucks to replace the old ones either. What world you all live in where they can just add 18% to a declining business model?
Getting better, but not enough pay. I don’t like being threatened, “only if there is no labor disruption”. No to load-levelling. I’m a 20+ employee, and I’m not doing more work because the low paying worker, that this company hired, doesn’t want to do his share. According to the company all routes are equal, so this is a non-issue. I’ve done my time doing all the difficult walks. If they would actually assess them correctly there would never be a problem. No to SSD, sounds like a lot are getting killed, and we aren’t even near peak season, or in winter yet.
Noo!!!!! We need at least 10% increase in year 1!! Also what about better benefits??? The current ones are crap. And how about an increase in pay for neighbourhood mail and some time value to actually collate. Imagine being paid 25 cents per flyer( I’m dreaming folks) And those post retirement benefits changing after 2026? This is awful. And we should all be scared with ‘load levelling’ … do better Canada post.
Posties in our area get paid OT for 3 or more flyers. Where’s the savings in that? So yes time value for flyers and cleaning up after yourselves.
Not bad, best offer I’ve seen in 35 years.
Take it or risk it all for less than half.
You long time members know what I mean.
Remember we are not alone anymore, others will deliver if we don’t. The public has a choice.
If we want to continue, the smart decision must be made if there is any chance of moving forward for all of us.
And an adult joined the conversation. Thanks for some reality.
while the comment makes sense, the offer isnt even close to what cupw offered. also are you management?
The offer from CUPW makes no sense. Throwing the management comment around like it is a negative is saying a lot about you as well. Any intelligent comment gets chalked up to a suit and tie type person.
Best offer in 35 years? Please stop with the nonsense. This is by far the worst offer since Harper.
33yrs here….100% agree
Not good
I know you by the way you write. You don’t have 35 years in and you have always thought anti-Union. To be fair, you would have taken the first offer.
What a joke
The Corporation better start working on offer #3. That was an insult
3000 raise in year one is less then you pay in at risk pay to your supervisors in ‘bonus’. Yearly. If you can afford to pay supervisors 5000 extra a year why not the ppl who do the job The ceo makes 150000 a year bonus vague about most every thing. What will be arbitrary decided ? What is this load level look like what we u decide again against our contract. Define it exactly or nothing at all 5 steps back again u offer. Reduced pension. For new reduced Benifts to retire. Reduce reduce reduce
How about paying your employees better. You have upper management who make more in “bonuses” than your work floors does all year. Thats gross! Yet employees can’t afford to pay rent and buy groceries because inflation is out of control and you don’t pay them enough. SSD is an absolute fail on every corner. Every corner! Yet its not your end game. Its just designed to break the workers. Shame on you. Accountability for gross mismanagement. You are a government crown corporation, set an example. Be better!
The average LC makes more money each year than their supervisor does. Keep that in mind. APOC are not getting rich and neither are management contrary to your tired talk track.
Supervisors on average make 10k more than a carrier, FYI.
Who wouldn’t won’t 20 or 30% for 4 years??!.. Yet I would take this offer, it’s decent, specially considering the finance situation CP is in, the strike I will do a lot of harm.
Agreed. Would like better sometimes have to look at the reality and situation we are in.
That offer isn’t much different than the last one. I’ll pass. 15%-20% over 4 years sounds more reasonable.
-It’s awfully subjective to try and decide if workload for a given day is equivalent to a full 8 hour or not. This will cause daily arguments on the floors and never ending chaos. Corporation should rather restructuring routes more often if necessary. Currently I’m subject to SSD and I walk 18kms a day average. It feels like running a marathon every day and I have no life after work as I’m dead meat walking that much.
– Then I sure will end up with some sort of injury working such physically demanding job, and now the employer is offering to cover only 50% of my retirement benefits. I have already paid out of pocket for physiotherapy that was result of my physically draining job.
-SSD is a joke. I challenge our upper management to show us how to deliver manual mail, sequenced mail, 3 different types of flyer bundles while pulling A/Os and PCI from our satchels. None of us is able to do this so we desperately marry our manual mail with sequenced and struggle with flyer bundles daily. Please come and see an SSD implemented depot and observe in the mornings. We are each spending unpaid time every morning to reorganize our mail and flyers only way possible and going out that way, still struggling, dropping out bundles, taking risks avoiding railings and using pinkies to open storm doors, thumbs to push mail through tiny slots… stress is building and we’re all so worried about how to do this job in the winter with SSD.
– I am tired of being lied. When we were shown videos that were supposed to prepare us for SSD, there were multiple flyers bundled together, yet when the letter carrier delivering them, she pulled one single page flyer out of her satchel. It was obvious then SSD was being misrepresented and we were right. None of us has magic skills to work under SSD unless we work free minimum 30 minutes every morning to correlate mail items.
-I rather strike, either get what we deserve or find an employer that values my hard work. When I first started to work for Canada Post, we ses to even get Christmas Bonuses, look where we are now giving in constantly, hearing blames toward challenging marketplace, yet never mentioning mismanagement.
You’re right. Triple bundle method doesn’t work. Full slate CMBs will take care of that…
Do better, Canada Post!
This is not what we want.
Retirees got 5% and 5% during COVID when we took 2% and 2% because “we were heroes” but got NOTHING for staying on the job all of the way through – no disruption! Now, we should be starting at 6% for COVID plus 2% for this year. That’s 8% to start, then 2.5%, 2%, 2%.
Fire white collars if you need to make room to keep your expenses at a certain level. Too many people making loads of money and not involved in the basics of the business.
Well said!
as temp, i believe we should get benefits right away after finishing 1000 hours, as to become permanent, it will take at least 2 or more years depending on how many people quit or retire. also a 5 percent raise is a low ball .
If urgency is needed both sides need to give in on 1 major ask or rollback. This offer didn’t really change.. 1.5% more than the original offer.. and an agreement to send select issues to arbitration…. What are the said selected issues? Is this because it’s already decided and in the bag? Mark my words if this hits arbitration folks we are gonna be worse off. I certainly expected CP to come back with this offer with more than 1.5% over the initial offer. I do like the fact that they are proposing to eliminate the tiered pay scale — how angry you think the new employees will be when we go to arbitration and we lose that proposal? That’s $7-8 more right now. Someone I work with makes $22.60 and I make $30.66 that’s $8 per hr right now!!! I’d personally take 8,4,3,3
Take away the 50-50 healthcare nonsense in 2026. This is a disgusting rollback that CUPW will never concede to. It is also a blatant attack on workers that no arbitrator would allow…
Acceptable offer.
If you’ll notice, most (new) collective agreements run the span of three years. That’s baseline for most industries (see: Bombardier Assembly Workers). CPC management on the other hand tries to tack on an additional fourth year at 2% as if that’s some sort of incentive.
That fourth year (+1 year of bargaining upon expiry where your spending power further deteriorates) is an outrageous ask on behalf of management, and shows a very real callousness, and disregard for the frontline workers who sacrificed so much for this company through the pandemic.
What is the exact figure of increase per year in terms of percentage
What is the exact figure?
bro check the pdf..
No
STOP trying to screw new employees. STRIKE!!!
Seems like a fair wage increase YOY for unskilled labour.
The wage increases are not the issues. The company continue to attack new employees, which divides us, and continues to try and take from our retirement. STRIKE!!!
Then go work private sector and see how that works out for you. If you are so unhappy then just leave and go work where you think it will be all sunshine and unicorns.
Keep paying your union dues when you retire since your so concerned about a new hire and there welfare
Why the heck should retirees keep paying union dues??? Don’t give them any ideas. I think we pay more than enough through our working careers, tens of thousands of dollars, calculate it out, let alone still paying in retirement. I’m going to bet not many people actually stop and think about what we pay to the union over our working careers. Depending on the Local, you pay more. Eg. Scarborough local pays more than Toronto local. Do you guys know that???? And why is that? I’ve asked this question many times and never gotten a straight answer. What a ridiculous comment.
7.5%, 5%, 3%, 3% and we have a deal.
Lets get this done. A strike is no good for either side and the future of our business.
Agreed100%
After reading this joke of second offer it’s obvious we will be going on strike. Time to get get serious Canada post, not this insult you call an offer
We need a raise that puts us at the national federal wage average of 35. Postal work is really hard. We deserve it. I don’t see a way around flex delivery but we need more concrete details. No way 50/50 cost sharing. At least not for those with over 30 years
Wage increase seems fair in year 1 then it nosedives. Marketing 101. People see the 5% first. Corp you need to get to 15%/4years at the least.
Year 1 has almost pass.theuve been negotiating since last year.then come Jan.and gets reduced to 2%..NO.. CP DO BETTER
Please cupw take this. 🙏
Does this mean that current temporary employees who have worked over 1,000 hours or 12 months, will get enrolled in the defined contribution component of the pension
plan and eligible for health benefits if they have not gotten permanent status?
Obviously the Corporation is intending to lock us out. They are simply ignoring what employees actually want and need. Thanks for the extra 1% over 4 years, the complete disregard for our SSD concerns, and the veiled threat that if we don’t accept this terrible offer, we will pay! Even the most pro-CPC arbitrator would think this offer was a joke.
Looks like the last offer. What do you take us for? We voted to strike, this changes none of that. Stop playing and give the workers what we deserve. Two years you called us heroes and now you treat us like zeros.
Yet again, wage increase are still a low ball. Do you not realize how much of our spending power has been eroded? Obviously not. I’m not even considering the remainder of the document.
unfortunately we dont have a choice- the ball is in your hands. I had no choice but to agree to become a member of the union to work there. My union rep is a complete stranger. I am told a vote has been made and here are the results- it’s all a fantasy make-believe world to me. The union benefits the corp more than it does me – it simplifies the managerial process for the corp- but does squat for me. I’m just a passenger. Do what you want- tell me when, what’s new with my job. That’s it. Done.
Cupw greedy to not accept
Not even close to good enough. There will be no contract that keeps SSD. WE want 22% over 4 years minimum as we lost 18% over the a last 4 years due to inflation. We will not sacrifice future employees for our current benefit. We demand huge improvements in our benefits. Our drug and dental programs are some of the worst in Canada. My daughter gets better coverage through her university.
Canada Post’s latest offer contains quite a few compromises; including retaining seventh week and pre-retirement, allowing casuals regular benefits when they’re permanent, merging bargaining units, and a slightly better wage increase. It would be good to know exactly which issues Canada Post wants to send to arbitration, but still this is real movement. Now it’s CUPW ‘s responsibility to compromise and get this contract done. If these negotiations fail, it’s totally the unions fault.
Absolutely incorrect. I doubt very much you’re an LC as there is no way you would be this accommodating. You are a company plant to stir the pot. Nice try
CUPW we dont accept. CPC has all the money to spend on projects are nothing but losses. How is this fair for a hard working employee to always be on the pay cutting side always nickel and diming with our pay. 10% year 1 and 4% year 2 and then re negotiate we dont need another extension after 2 year it will scale back the pay again.
Another offer thats worth peanuts, strike is the way. They are not taking us serious.