CUPW Negotiations: Talks grind to a halt with no movement on changes required for Canada Post’s future
November 26, 2024, 06:19 pm
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Canada Post is considering its options to move negotiations forward as talks with the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) have ground to a halt on key issues critical to the Corporation’s future.
The parties have been working with the assistance of a special mediator since November 18, but progress has been limited to minor items. Despite the current situation, we remain committed to the bargaining process.
Throughout these negotiations, Canada Post has put forward detailed proposals to bring more flexibility to its outdated, mail-based delivery model. These changes are necessary to better compete in the parcel business, better serve Canadians, and drive much-needed revenue growth.
However, after not responding over the past several days, CUPW has just informed us, through the special mediator, that it will not be responding at all.
Approximately 95 per cent of delivery teams are full-time
Employees and customers across the country are feeling the significant impacts of CUPW’s national strike, which is now on its 12th day. We had hoped the union would bring some much-needed urgency to the discussions. That has not been the case.
We have consistently put forward proposals that are critical for the future of the postal service and important to the Canadians we serve, while protecting our current employees. Our proposals would add a greater mix of part-time and full-time employees to our delivery model to respond to the daily variations in parcel volumes and provide weekend delivery.
Today, approximately 95 per cent of our delivery team is made up of full-time employees. Our approach would create new regular, permanent part-time jobs, providing greater opportunities for temporary employees to become permanent, with guaranteed hours, schedules and eligibility for health and pension benefits.
With losses of more than $3 billion since 2018 and a $315-million loss before tax in the third quarter of 2024, Canada Post requires negotiated agreements that let all employees focus on the future, without adding new fixed costs that will hamper its ability to compete.
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If the negotiations were not successful
It is that me to move forward with the “New teams”
Shuffle the box
I am surprised it hasn’t happened yet
What a shame that all those involved can’t find a resolution when I was taught early that “this is the ties that binds” and the answer is always there, only when both sides resolve their own stubbornness.
Hello there my fellow CUPW workers. I want to inform you of some important facts you all should familiarize yourself with. I have mentioned in past threads regarding verification of strike votes that no local level can provide proof that 95 % of cupw voted to strike. I provide more details of this below for your own knowledge. CUPW, like many unions in Canada, follows specific labor laws and internal governance rules regarding strike votes.
Legal Requirements: Under Canadian labor law, specifically the Canada Labour Code, unions are required to hold a strike vote and have majority support to legally go on strike. However, the law doesn’t require unions to disclose detailed voting results to individual members. The union is only required to certify that a majority of those voting supported the strike for it to be legal. Like what happened, you will never know the answer if there really was a majority voting for a strike.
Union Constitution and Bylaws: CUPW, like other unions, operates under a constitution and bylaws that outline the rules for strike votes and other internal decisions. These rules typically specify the process for holding a strike vote but may not require detailed results to be disclosed to all members. Often, the union leadership will announce whether the strike vote passed or failed, but they may not break down the vote in detail. This will never happen because they want everyone to think the majority voted to strike inorder to up solidarity with their thinking.
Solidarity and Unity: Keeping the detailed results of a strike vote private helps preserve unity within the union. If the results of a strike vote are close or publicly divided, it could cause discord or weaken the union’s position during negotiations with the employer. Not disclosing the specific vote counts can help maintain solidarity.
As we continue to stand on the picket lines, I understand that many of us are facing financial strain. We’re currently receiving $280 weekly strike pay, but I believe it’s time to take action that will help us return to work and secure a better outcome.
What You Can Do Now: I strongly urge each of you to take the following steps if you are committed to resolving this situation:
Email the Federal Minister of Labor: Let them know about the impact this strike is having on us, and request their intervention to help bring both sides back to the negotiating table.
Contact Your Local MPs: Elected officials need to understand the hardship we are facing and can advocate on our behalf. Ask them to reach out to the labor minister and push for a resolution that allows us to return to work.
Reach Out to the Media: Share your story. Local and national media outlets can help raise awareness of our situation and put public pressure on those involved in negotiations.
Remember my name for president.
get rid of the union and most of management who make no revenue give the workers a better raise and treat them fairly and with respect and see how much money canada post makes then u can share the wealth
I agree we need to get rid of the Union. They have abused their powers enough. They are holding people hostage. Some that need their travel documents are forced to cancel travel plans, and many small businesses are forced to close its doors. Thank you Canada Post for nothing.
“Get rid of the Union”
Lol do you even understand what a Union is?
Cpc made a new offer today. Let’s see what it is. They have to cave in soon.
No offer made, just a “Framework” lol. We’re going to be sold and be run as a private corporation. Who are the bondholders of all the Canada Post debt?? Not the Government of Canada from what I’ve read.
Cupw blew it we should have DEMANDED 30% and 19 sick days 3 years ago.
2 last contracts we got rollbacks, and this contract CUPW wants protection for “future “ employees, cleaners CPC memberships, an deal with political and social issues??! YOURE FIRED!
Is there anyone who knows if we can be legislated back since the liberal government is a minority?? Can the minister of labour legislate us back on his own??
NO! Liberals will need help from another party. Conservatives hate them ,NDP hate them ,maybe the Bloc party of Quebec or Green Party of Cannibis. Again a long stretch. Best bet for LIberals is the New Years EveParty!
We will not be legislated back to work, this time is all the way until the bottom of the barrel, all the way to unemployment , debt, and homelessness.
CANADA POST SHOULD STOP LIEING…….. THESE LOSSES ARE DUE TO DECLINING LETTERMAIL VOLUMES NOT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING ELSE. SO, IN THAT CASE WHAT WOULD BE THE MOST LOGICAL THING TO DO? FOCUS ON GROWING YOUR PARCEL BUSINESS, BUT DON’T SCREW CUPW MEMBERS IN THE PROCESS!
The longer the strike continues, the more likely people will switch to on line billing and direct deposit for cheques. Whoever has a volume count coming are not going to like the numbers.
It doesn’t matter volume count or not. The numbers mean nothing. Cpc manufactures whatever numbers they need to push their agenda. Just like wasting erm I mean supposedly losing 3 billion dollars.
Yes then official Layoffs, I’m glad I’m not the only one who recognizes this problem.. Bravo
The more they wait the more i make on OT
Wrong, overtime will be cut, part timers will get 8hrs a day and casuals will be in everyday.. Another CUPW accomplishment.
This is make or break week for Xmas. What I hoped me
Beta have figured out that we hope for the best and plan for the worse. We usually get the worse.
Labour Minister will step
In this week. If I am wrong then more time off, paid once a week and it’s tax free.
Your whole $280. Enjoy
They didn’t even seal the red boxes were I live. Management is to busy Christmas shopping or working at there another jobs
Management is irrelevant, focus on yourself on ourselves. Who cares about management.
100% correct
Union” let’s not gigify CP”…. But CUPW supports Gig union :):):) j please send us adults back to work!
Seriously. CUPW has to grow up and be realistic in today’s market. Sure, it would be nice if everyone had a full time job, benefits, and pension. But the money is simply not there. And won’t be there in the future if Canada Post’s future. This ideallogical grandstanding will just end up speeding up the demise of Canada Post and hurting a lot more people than the workers. The market is not going to change. Other shipping companies aren’t going to change. It’s that simple.
The union is not for the members, the union is for themselves. The union works for the union not CP.
Exactly.. Were all going to be replaced for lower wage employees which CUPW represents, a win win for the world’s most useless union
https://www.cupw.ca/en/gig-workers-organizing-change
Brace for it people . It’s going get real this coming Thursday . ( what would have been payday )
For those of you struggling . We will get through this , although not unscathed.
I ain’t waiting to lose my house for Union demands, no way, not worth it!
Are you willing to push CUPW out?
No risk no reward. Did you vote on the strike vote?
After last rollbacks, what rewards are we gonna get?
We should be fine. I am assuming most people cashed out some OT and put cash away.
back to the already existing multi tiers of pay. not all of us are able to earn OT like the elite.
We have 4 days in our pay coming up and that’s it. Union not even making strike pay on time, some haven’t gotten their first strike pay.. Truly pathetic.. Time to Declassify the union and bring another on board..
Hello everyone , I drafted a letter for concerned CUPW employees who want to return to work. Copy this letter and send it to the media, MP’s , labor ministers. Talking on here will not get us anywhere. This CUPW President and executives must go. We need change !
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Open Letter from Concerned CUPW Members: We Want to Return to Work
We, the undersigned members of the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW), are writing to express our deep concern with the current direction of the strike and the leadership that is guiding it. Our voices, and the voices of many of our fellow workers, have been overshadowed by the decisions of a few individuals at the top of the union’s leadership. We believe that this strike is no longer serving the best interests of the majority of postal workers, and we urgently want to return to work.
This is not our strike. We want to work.
Many of us are standing on the picket lines not because we want to, but because we need the $56 daily allowance to help cover basic necessities like groceries. We are not out here by choice, but because we feel trapped in a situation that is being controlled by a small group of union executives and the CUPW president. Our livelihoods and the future of our jobs are at risk.
The future of Canada Post jobs is in jeopardy.
The decisions being made by the current leadership are putting the long-term future of jobs at Canada Post in danger. We believe that continued strikes, without a clear strategy for resolution, are only making it harder to return to stable, secure employment. The longer this continues, the greater the risk that Canada Post will be forced to make cuts, automate services, or find other means of filling the gaps left by our absence.
We need new leadership and a return to work before it’s too late.
The president of CUPW and the executive team must be held accountable for their decisions. They are supposed to represent us, the workers, but they are failing in that responsibility. We call for immediate changes within the leadership and a reconsideration of the current strike strategy. We cannot allow a small group to determine our future and continue to hold us back from doing our jobs.
We urge the public and the media to listen to our side.
We are reaching out to the public, media outlets, and elected officials to let them know how we feel. We want to return to work, but we are being held back. This is not about greed or unwillingness to negotiate; it’s about our desire to get back to doing what we do best – serving the Canadian public through our work at Canada Post.
We ask the media to help share our story and bring awareness to the situation. The current strike is not representative of all workers, and it is time for our voices to be heard.
We need action, not just words.
Talking amongst ourselves will not bring change. We need to reach out and make our voices heard by the people who can make a difference – the public, the media, and our elected representatives. We call on all CUPW members who feel the same way to join us in pushing for real change, and to demand that we return to work before it’s too late.
That would be emailing the CIRB and decertification process. Also the unfair representation with CUPW GIGAFY UNITED new union
Good luck it’s solidarity against a bully employer
https://www.cupw.ca/en/gig-workers-organizing-change
Exactly, you speak no lies, CUPW will move these lower paid people inside Canada Post and we will be replaced and CUPW will collect the dues and still be on top, CUPW doesn’t care.
So you believe the last offer from the corporation was fair? Or is that even an issue with you?
The members are upset with Cupw same old playbook and not being able to negotiate and gaining nothing like always
You realize it is just clerks and carriers doing the negotiating.
If the union said that we just wanted %24 and another major issue, we would’ve been back already, probably we wouldn’t even have a strike… but we know that this unions want the starts, the moon the galaxies..ridiculous!
don’t you feel CPC is not playing fair either? how can the union be ENTIRELY to blame?
If only the members had better vision coverage to help with the blind
Canada post corporation could not have worded it any better and loves this letter and initiative. You are a Judas and you do not speak for us
“US” is not you , and a few of you. CP workers are responsible to who pays them, which is not CUPW.
Great letter that represents most of us. Copied and will be sent. I keep on hearing that those at the picket lines haven’t even been paid yet… is that true?
my local has been paid in full.
how long until the strike pay runs out?
Got our first strike pay Friday November 29 ( about a week late)
Half the group of picketers from our group still waiting for first pay as of last Friday November 29
People still on my shift picket haven’t received first strike pay, the union is so disorganized and a joke.. A real union wouldn’t have us on strike, we’d have a contract in 2 months latest not 14+ months and still nothing. CUPW doesn’t care about us outside while getting full pay.. Union of clowns.. not for its members
We have been paid in full last Monday and next check is tomorrow. Take everything g posted on here with a grain of salt. There are supers and management lurking everywhere. They’re bored although I don’t know why. Nothing has changed for them. Getting paid for doing nothing is a typical day.
I Agree 100%
Thanks so much for speaking for 50,000 people, Gary.
Oh, wait….YOU DON’T!!
No. This is ridiculous. You signed up for this whether you admit it or not through action or inaction. Tough it out and help to decertify cupw after this is all done. Stop whining it is a bad look.
100 percent agree
I dont believe the Union is to blame it is the PROCESS that is just plain WRONG
It is any negotiating board to attempt to broker the best deal for its membership, however, the failure is to not having the MEMBERSHIP determine their own destinies by having a VOTE at each and every OFFER- the negotiating board can make recommendations after each offer is presented( ie we could do better here, etc), however the MEMBERSHIP should decide , not a small amount of people
Let the MEMBERS VOTE!
The union absolutely 100% without any doubt is to blame. CP will always be CP always have always will. The problem is CUPW. It took over a year to get to this point really???? Why did CUPW not accelerate the strike process oh i dunno 10 months ago?
It takes 1000000+ meetings and 10 years to realize they are too far apart give me a break. CUPW is worse than CP.
Thanks Gary
It’s clear many of us feel that our voices weren’t counted fairly in the strike vote. We didn’t sign up for this level of bureaucracy, and it’s not right that our input is being overlooked.
YOU ARE SPEAKING ON YOUR OWN BEHALF! NOT ON BEHALF OF ALL MEMBERS OF THE CUPW! SO CUT YOUR NONSENSE!!!
CANADA POST AND THE CUPW ARE CURRENTLY TRYING TO NEGOTIATE A FAIR COLLECTIVE AGREEMENT FOR EVERYONE……
HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT WAS SAID DIESNT REPRESENT WHAT MOST WORKERS THINK… YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED!
Thanks Gary, this letter represents most of us, even many of us picketing. Many of us are picketing to get paid something, not because we really agree with CUPWs demands.
You get an cpc appreciation egg McMuffin when we return
It sounds like the Union bosses all need to fired. This is sheer negligence on their part. Its time put adults in charge of Union. What the big wigs are doing is now criminal and they should be held accountable for the sheer negligence.
Annual Leave and personal days have been docked. If you already took your full allotment for the year you’re going to owe Canada Post money if/when we come back.
Only if you work less than 10 days in any given month. So far that has not happened.
a bitter delusional, dysfunctional angry spiteful frustrated unioun has to sit face to face with the enemy and work at a deal, very scary
Here are some ideas to grow CP:
1- Getting in the food delivery business
2- With a bunch of moving scamming companies out there, why can’t CP enter the moving market?
3- increase our delivery weight. Instead of the typical 50lbs max, why not deliver heavier items? That would certainly bring more business, and that’s something gig companies can’t and won’t deliver
Just 3 ideas here that can help CP a lot. We won’t need senior check ups and cleaning services, but I mean if CUPW want to invest on that stuff on their own, it’s up to them.
Sorry heavy items doesn’t qualify. CUPW already supports workers refusing to deliver heavy items and it is always due to safety reasons. Workers immediately claim restrictions etc… You are assuming that employees do their duties like they are expected to. So how do they get delivered now, that’s right overtime and the corporation loses again because people can’t or won’t do what they were hired for.
I don’t know where you work but in my facility there is absolutely no equipment made available to carry a large or overweight parcel. Nothing. No cheap collapsable dolly. Nothing. So the letter carrier would have to lug them around by themselves.
I deliver all heavy items for my walk, all. How embarrassing that you order a heavy item, and in the end you are the one having to go pick it up from a CP depot… if that happened to me I wouldn’t be telling the shipper to please not send my items through CP ever again. I understand that some cannot carry heavy loads, but many are clearly just lazy , and are one of the reasons why CPC loses business
You’re a hero of cpc 👍🏼🔥
I am just doing what I have to do, happy customers could potentially mean more business
The reality of the situation is that we have gone 2 weeks without pay, and prob won’t see a pay check this December. I think the union is a joke and we need to get rid of it now!
I am pro unions , but this union though, seems very unprofessional, and demands tons of things that workers never asked for.. they should put workers first and leave their political agendas for last, workers shouldn’t be paying to feed political agendas!
100% agreed
Can you both stop with the b.s. It’s the start of week 3, you’ve been negotiating for a year, just do something already. People can’t afford not to work!!!! Let’s get it done already.
It is beyond embarrassing and with all these ridiculous ideas, I’m surprised they’re not coming up with food or grocery delivery🙄I agree 100% get good at what you’re doing…not always biting the hand that feeds you
Food and delivery will not be a good investment, the parcel delivery model must start its Saturday and Sunday delivery now. For the company to sustain financial stability that’s our business, not fruits and vegetables.. get a grip, you need specialty vehicles for that, the corporation aren’t spending more money on vehicles for that purpose. Your idea sounds as bad as the union wanting CUPW to be paid to do cleaning instead of professionals or even senior check ins, totally ridiculous.. We are lettermail, parcel, we deliver cannabis, wine, and other contracts already which are more than enough to make profits as long as they’re efficient, and CUPW has to stop with nonsense of stalling the negotiations with things the members did not ask for.
If you read the comment properly I said get good at what we’re known for I DO NOT SUPPORT food and grocery delivery at all..The parcel and wknd delivery is what will save us not these far fetched ideas of CUPW
We used to deliver alcohol , but haven’t seen those on my walk for a long time. As for cannabis, that k goodness I don’t get much of those, leave my truck smelling like skunk!
Can anyone tell me what ” retiring with dignity” means? Everyone I’ve seen who retired are doing cart wheels out the door.
They are referring to the financial security and peace of mind that a “defined benefit” pension brings(guaranteed level of income)as opposed to “defined contribution” (no guaranteed level of income) left to the uncertainty of the stock market.
Welcome to December. An update on my three stooges comment a little while back. I always said the 3 stooges plus tax were the funniest comedy relief of all time. Now in week 3 of strike ,with all my respect to the stooges the crown has been passed to cupw, cpc executives ,and federal govt as the best comedy relief in history. I laugh so long and so hard at them that I got and still get stomach pains . So if you feeling down,just watch or listen to these genius and you will start laughing and feel much better. Now that’s free therapy
Why is CPC and cupw publishing the wants and offers for the public to hear .They are the only ones that should now the offers not the public no one negotiates like that this must stop 🛑 once a offer is presented only active members should see it would have more public support
If you read the comment properly I said get good at what we’re known for I DO NOT SUPPORT food and grocery delivery at all..The parcel and wknd delivery is what will save us not these far fetched ideas of CUPW
Amazons new shipping service coming soon offered to the public will expedite the layoffs and their employees won’t join with pathetic CUPW
Amazon/Uber and many others are already delivering right to the door in rural areas 2-3 hours outside major cities. Soon Amazon will be an outgoing shipping service for the public. CUPW will reduce the workforce real fast, no need to fight for no weekend delivery then.
At this point I just wanna get a layoff notice so I can apply for EI and at least be able to pay for may bill and to put food on the table
Unfortunately you can’t apply for EI while in a labor dispute…I know makes no sense at all…NONE just like this whole fiasco with both sides cheering on each other to fail😡
The Union keeps telling us Canada Post has not moved at all on their last offer, has anyone heard a single thing the union has moved on. Elimination of SSD, corporate vehicles for RSMC, 17 days off instead of 13?.. among many more ludicrous things in there…Why are you putting things like this in your contract offer… only halts the process.
neither the corporation, nor the union is interested in any settlement.
a dynamic team of negotiators from the staff and cpc must sit. till we keep paying 60-90 million canadian dollars to this defunct union CUPW and till we have a useless and inefficient management where we have non producing layers of managers and suprintendents WHO ACTUALLY ADD ZERO OR EVEN NEGATIVELY TO THE DAILY WORK ENVIRONMENT .. THIS COMPANY, CLAIMING TO BE TOP 50 CANADIAN CORPORATE WILL KEEP ROTTING. CPC, GOVT. DO YOU REALLY WANT TO WAKE AND BE PROUD OF YOURSELVES OR JUST BE HYPOCRITES ! THATS THE QUESTION TO ASK YOURSELVES
Saying that management and supervisors and superintendents don’t add value is proof that you are out of touch. That and the all caps rant..you think this jobs begins and ends at your sorting case. There is so much going on it would make your head spin. You can barely organize pallets for the burn barrel or rallies.
Our outdated service system and the way we fight for change must evolve. It’s time to take a new path—one that aligns with the realities of a transformed economy and society.
The union says it is planning to return to the negotiation table only when “there is a clear and achievable ‘path forward’ for both parties”
SO my question is how will you know that unless you’re at the table?? AND path forward isn’t just getting your demands, you still need to negotiate, which means give and take. Give something up to get something else. I believe each side needs a crash course on how to do this. Why haven’t we heard of those kind of things, things that we/them took off the table to try to move this along.
SO my question is how will you know that unless you’re at the table?
THEY ARE IN BED TOGETHER!!!!
DUH
the average worker public servant is there to feed the system
What is the point of laying off striking workers? Seriously. Who at Canada Post thinks this nonsense up and why, for the love of God, doesn’t someone fire the psycho’s that think this garbage up?
Perhaps they hope to force the gov’t to intervene, by having 55 000 postal workers applying for E.I. at one time.
Getting blackballed by the union doesn’t prevent you from working for Canada Post actually they might like it
The Champs update for today.
Did some shopping for grocery and Xmas gifts.
Here’s to another week off.
Glad you can afford it
There are still some people who can do math. No not AI not computers or calculators. Minimum wage in ontario is just over $ 17 per hour. Cupw is giving $13 per hour. Hum? Obviously those who are picketing and freezing their ovaries off are great at math. I want you guys to do my tax return.
$14.05/hr genius.
Wow I thought it was $13 infact it’s $14.05 thank you for the raise ,I can now buy that extra small coffee at Timmy’s.
https://www.cirb-ccri.gc.ca/en/resources/application-revocation-bargaining-rights
The CUPW president must go ! The CUPW president must go ! The CUPW president must go ! We don’t want her.
agree
CPC and CUPW from coast to coast
Meet in the middle to revive the post
The system’s outdated
LCUC prorated
Get to bargaining or the whole thing’s toast
Lmao amen
There are a lot of corporate people posting here, anti unionists. Leave our pension alone, and stop SSD. SSD stations are creating so much overtime and injuries. There needs to be changes, sure, but creating a system that injures workers is not the answer. Postal banking creates a huge money stream, (see Japan postal banking system), fast charging stations in urban areas where people live in apartments and condos and don’t have many places to charge their electric vehicles = money stream. There are lots of ways to create revenue. Carriers don’t mind part time additions of evening and weekend delivery, but shoving a terrible system that is not safe down our throats is not ok.
SSD is staying. No postal banking. Suck it up.
Where is the government. Do they not care. Letting business employees and customers suffer. What is the point of negotiating when neither side will?
I like ssd
I don’t think my soup would even know my name, if I hadn’t got into an accident. Just show up, get your stuff and gooooooo. Soups keep busy with their chits and tps reports.
Anti this union, not all. There is a difference.
Many who criticize CUPW are not anti union. We just like how CUPW operates and how promotes issues and concerns that do not have anything to do with postal workers. If CUPW is to stay relevant they have to prorate union dues to correlate with how many hours workers work and how much they make. Plus, there needs to a better way to allow for free speech for all union members since it is not possible show up to all union membership meetings.
Imagine a postal bank with cupw backing… don’t know who would put their money in such bank
They CAN’T even process our strike pay checks on time….its day 16 and nothing yet
Yup
Our treasurer doesn’t show up to picket because she is ‘busy writing checks’ then has the audacity to chirp our members for not showing up to picket every day. Our local has about 60 members. What is she doing all day?
Also, checks are illegible and some aren’t even signed. Union is a joke
Postal banking with strike? Yeah… we should not have a union otherwise people’s money will be strangled like their packages.
Jesus. You think Canada Post should be in the business of trying to make money with charging stations? Wake up
I am not sure why CUPW keeps looking at things like postal banking, senior check ins etc when in reality all we need to do is actually get good at what we do (deliver mail & parcels) instead of looking to muddy the waters of our duties… not to mention Canadians won’t trust us to not go on strike and hold there money and bank hostage at any given time … not to mention most banks have money and are fiscally responsible, we are neither … charging stations now? Anything but actually get good at what we actually do … embarrassing ….
It is beyond embarrassing and with all these ridiculous ideas, I’m surprised they’re not coming up with food or grocery delivery🙄I agree 100% get good at what you’re doing…not always biting the hand that feeds you
CHARGING STATIONS LOL WE ARE SO LOST!!!!
Tomorrow I have to pay rent and to be honest my picket line strike pay wont cover it. Can we please go back to work?
Capitalism never worked
Neither does communism. 1989.
https://teamsters.ca/members/member-2/
Not easy to change unions. Look into more and try to rally support rather than just post a link.
Yes!
You need to organize a group of people who want to decertify the union.
It’s very hard without suffering retaliation by CUPW who can threaten to kick you out of the union.
Just organize a group of people and then run for national president yourself with a proper platform and if majority agree and you get voted in you can steer the ship in the direction you feel is best. Change from within
How can we opt out of the union because i am paying dues for nothing..
The canada post strike in 2011 lasted a month. Strike in 2018 lasted a month both times govt forced workers back. And 2024 strike which started nov 15 will end Dec 15 . A month strike and govt will force workers back. So enjoy the next two weeks off eat ,drink, be merry
2011 only 2 weeks….2018 was 6 weeks as rotating strike. Been here 25 yrs, never over 2 weeks without legislation stepping in. My worry is minority government 😕.
Not sure if it can be done without another party .
It’s frustrating to see decisions being made that seem out of touch with the realities we face today. We live in a fast-changing world, and it’s crucial that our leadership evolves with the times. Unfortunately, it seems that ego and personal agendas are taking priority over the needs of the broader cupw membership.
How can we have a more direct say in shaping the future of our union. It’s time to refocus on what truly matters—protecting the livelihoods of all cupw workers. The president must go !
Then run against her, or vote for someone more representing your ideals when the elections take place
You can’t. Only execs can vote for the president. See how that works.
If that is the problem, more people who are happy with her leadership have turn out to more meeting or go on social media to express dissatisfaction with how the executives and the president have destroyed this union and negotiations.
The more people know how bad CUPW is run the more people will take action.
Then those people will be targeted and blackballed out of the union.
This has been happening for 30 years now. Only 20% voted this time around.
The good people who could run this union the best and smartest ones are the ones who stay far away from this union and all that they do.
Interesting
That’s not correct at all. The President is elected at a national convention which is attended by elected delegates from each local and region. They are not all execs. If you were union, and wanted to be a delegate all you have to do is actually show up for monthly meetings, and then get elected at a meeting to become a delegate. But you’re probably too busy being a self-important keyboard warrior.
Vote for Gary
I believe I can offer better representation and advocacy than the current leadership. The system we’re working in might feel like bureaucracy at its worst, where even if 80 percent of CUPW members were to support me, the vote could still end up 95 percent in her favor—just like what we saw in the recent strike vote. This isn’t right, and it’s time to push for change.
Basically every single aspect of our Union is Democratic. How someone could be in a Union and so unsatisfied and not bother to learn how it even works is beyond me.
Just one time cupw JUST ONCE! Do somethig. Something that you haven’t done in the last 30 yrs!! Quit losing You lose our pay, you lose our business you lose money, credibility, support — the list goes on. Quit messing around Its great you got maternity leave in 1981. What a win. But you can keep dwelling on the past. Give in to weekend delivery w/ PT and get us 16% in return and say no to DC as well in exchange for it
Look at you being reasonable.
100%
And same bennefits as executives get.
Abolish current two tier and put new members on dc and lower pay.
Ask the union why they wouldn’t let Canada post keep members benefits active?
Company made their own decision to cut benefits, to lay us off, and to try and force draconian rollbacks.
CUPW was well aware that benefits would end with a strike. COC even addressed this prior to the work stoppage, to try and convince CUPW to keep the funds and benefits flowing. The answer was no.
And a result of CUPW workers striking, a few did get laid off. The Xmas season is over for Canada Post, and volumes will be further reduced when everyone gets back to work.
No the union said they did not want the benefits.. Stop thinking it’s all the corporation, the union is corrupt and you defend their ideology and we are out picketing while they are staying in a 5 star Hotel on our dime. CUPW is the most useless and disorganized bunch of clowns..
Not an description of what happened.
You have every right not to be bullied pushed around or to feel uneasy or unnerved by the cupw,cpc or anyone else. Don’t give the for mentioned the satisfaction of making life hard for you. Stick to em the way I do!
Just remember when we finally do get back to work…
A little love note on your first or second paystub…
Union Dues Arrears
We love you too CUPW! We love you too…..
Someone has to pay for kfc and slurpees!
Anyone have any idea if negotiating is even taking place this weekend? Not one even meeting since Wednesday!?!? Just terminate us all so we can move on.
And don’t forget
Vacation time will be pro rated
Personal days will be pro rated
I voted no for this strike and I really love it when I’m on the picket line and I talk about how there already is a two or three tier system in our Depot, my union executives tell me well yeah but that’s because of the old way. so, just so I’m clear, two-tier systems are already in place and yet we’re totally stuck on the fact that we don’t want more of that? I’m picketing alongside a letter carrier who makes almost $15,000 more than me, I am a rural mail carrier, and we have both maxed out in terms of our pay. how are we being paid so incredibly different, Even after the big RSMC pay equity investigation which determined we do the same job?? oh right, it’s because this two-tier system already exists. can we please get back to work.
Different contracts. Stop comparing RSMC to Urban already.
exactly. if different is already happening within – EVEN FOR THE SAME JOBS – why can it not continue moving forward??
Wait till your 3-4th Strike then you’ll be bitter. I spoiled my ballot. Didnt like either option. Had no faith they could get a contract without ruining Xmas. I was right.
I guess that’s why I am …..
Sorry but I’m an urban door to door carrier and the RSMC is not the same job. When I applied 30 years ago I turned down the RSMC postion knowing they don’t get the same pay/benefits I kept applying till I got an Urban LC position.
exactly. in terms of moving the mail, which is quite literally the job, RSMCs do MORE of that EVERY day than LCs, it just isn’t done on foot. we are the same. open your eyes.
RSMCs were getting screwed for decades. The union finally put an end to that by using the amount of women in the department to declare that it was discrimination by sex. My father was a RSMC for 20 years back when you had to rebid every few years for your job. A lady under bid him by $1000 / year and they gave her his route. Of course after 6 months she realized that she was working for nothing and quit. My dad got his route back. I can relate to the RSMC but now I see this post. A newbie against the union that liberated him/her from cpc finally. What a world. Why don’t you go do some gig work and then let us know how you feel. Rural route employees of the past were treated worse by cpc than Amazon gig workers now.
The worst part is I have paying dues for 25 years and now you might have more seniority than me now after paying zero dollars. How the hell does that add up.
RSMCs pay union dues! what are you even talking about?
RSMCs were unionized in January 2004. Before that they were contract workers that paid zero into the union fund.
They were a prime example of how cpc treats its workers. Rebid on your job every few years, own vehicle, no benefits, no sick days. They actually had to train someone and pay them if they were off work. That said,
$100/ month sounds like alot of money in union dues but consider the alternative.
Why would you simultaneously complain that you make less and then vote against a strike that wants you to get paid the same?
I never once complained about the wage I get for the job I do. I have worked outside of Canada Post and know that what I’m currently getting paid for the job I actually do is pretty fair. I was pointing out the already existing two-tier system which seems to be a stumbling block in these current negotiations. there are three or four tiers in our depot. it’s pretty clear you can’t get blood from a stone which is why I didn’t want to strike. I figured it wouldn’t go well. and here we are. we are all losing.
There is a two-tier system in the CUPW urban agreement already, since 2013. New employees at that time had to work 7 years before they reached the highest pay where employees hired before that had to work 5 years. That has nothing to do with RSMC employees because even though you have the same bargaining agent, they are two completely different collective agreements. It doesn’t matter who represents you. If the RSMC group had been unionized by the Teamsters, would you expect to get the same collective agreement benefits as other Teamster organized companies? No, you wouldn’t. Until the 2 completely different collective agreements are merged together you do not get the same wages, benefits etc as the urban employees. If anyone told you that you are entitled to that, then you were lied to.
3rd week strike and counting. For all the workers with no pay or benefits here is some gratification; a little birdie told me some executives at cupw and cpc are seeking therapy for emotional distress ,fear and paranoia. That is the best contract workers will ever get. Woo!
Excuse me 😮.
😠 😡
If they can’t handle the stress, they should just resign and the real adults negotiate in their place.
These CUPW and CPC executives are nothing more than big 😭 👶👶 👶 .
The best adults to settle this strike is high schoolers on the debating team. I’ve them in action they are good! Woo
Love it!😢👶👶👶!lol
Exactly!
They can always go back to Amazon where many of them came from here in Vancouver came from. No problem there. Rejects from McDonalds can try there again.
Give the workers the option of returning to work as per the previous collective agreement
1- it has been a year plus of negotiations that are going nowhere
2- a special mediator has been appointed , and that has failed
3-give those people who want to work ,the option to work- I realize that would create a “scab” situation, but there are people that do not and never have, supported a strike in the first place and are lumped into a ” collective” situation , a fractured workforce already exists
4- continue the negotiations
5-have a vote on the last global offer
Nah. Consequences of CUPW. Ride out the strike and once back begin the process to decertify CUPW so this never happens again.
Cupw members are too blind. If only their was better vision coverage
It doesn’t work like that. It’s called a union. It’s all or nothing. Cant just pick and choose. Only options are to wait it out or quit
Process is broken- why are we , as a membership not allowed to vote on each and every contract?
Because there has been nothing worth voting on. You focus on the money and nothing else. I personally don’t like ssd in current form and absolutely do not want them to do away with route ownership. I like my route that’s why I bid on it. I do not want to come in and not know what I’m doing every single day. There is so much more at stake so stop being selfish wanting to vote on something we all dont even know all the details of.
If the unions were so great then why is it mandatory to join. If they were half as good as they think they are, people would be lining up to join!!!
Nobody forced you to join. You knew getting this job came with joining the union. You didn’t complain about all that you enjoy because of the union gains in the past. Do they do everything right? Maybe not but it’s all or nothing. You can’t pick and choose what you do or don’t like. Boils down to one of two options. Stop whining and show some support or stop whining and quit.
Do you honestly believe we will let scabs and trucks cross the line and do our work? Wake up!
Will there be a picket line when CUPW runs out of cash to pay its picketers?
CUPW will get a loan. No need to worry.
No worries. They can asked Canada Post for a loan from their MyMoney loan program.
What, all three of you on the picket line are going to stop a truck? Less than 10% of your members are showing up for picket duty and you don’t even have picket lines at every location. Why? Because most of your members don’t actually support being on strike. The union says that over 90% voted for a strike? That’s 90% of those who bothered to show up. Last year with the PSAC strike, the union bragged that more than 80% supported a strike but when the labor board released the numbers, less than 35% of the members actually voted. So really, less than 30% of the members actually voted in favor of a strike. I bet if the labor board forced the union to release the numbers, it would be close to the same.
And I would bet if canadians knew how much you supers get paid for how little you do and how many of you there needlessly are, it would start to bring into focus why the downward trajectory of this lead by incompetence corporation
If you don’t want to work in a unionized environment please do quit and move on. You knew the rules going in. We are, and will forever be (private or public) unionized!!!
Been working in a unionized environment for the past 20 years
Other unions let their MEMBERSHIP determine their own futures, not a small board of people that claim to represent the workers- letting us vote allows the union to see whether or not they truly have the support, and cannot be accused of being self serving
The strive vote was overwhelmingly in favor of strike
That’s how a democratic system works
If most were against strike. The results would have been no vote for strike
But it was yes
You are in the minority
HOW MANY VOTED???
If people didn’t vote, it is their problem! Doesn’t matter HOW MANY VOTED! What matters is the people who found the time to vote voted overwhelmingly to strike. Blame yourself for not voting, not the process!
The PSAC strike last year less than 35% of their members voted. I bet with CUPW its the same.
True
Only issue that I have is that there is no say , as in no VOTE
Process is broken, as once the membership gives the yes mandate, there is no other procedure as a very small amount of people ( NEB) gets to decide the future of 55000- does that sound rational?
Why not have the MEMBERSHIP decide on each and every offer?
Does that sound unreasonable?
For those CUPW members who were surprised that this is lasting as long as it is, or for those who didn’t want to be on strike please remember for next time, if there is a next time, that if you don’t know what the union is doing or don’t get out and vote against a strike or against ratification then you really can’t complain. The people making decisions on your behalf are all elected postal workers who have dedicated countless unpaid hour of their lives working on your behalf. Yes, those who have paid officer positions get paid (no overtime) but the hundreds of shop stewards and committee members don’t get paid. If you don’t like the direction the union is going in then you have to get involved and make a change. Complaining about it now does nothing except undermine the authority that you have given the union by your complacency.
Getting involved won’t fix a thing, not with CUPW(oke). This strike needs to play out and afterwards CUPW needs to be decertified.
The naysayers don’t realize this has not gone as cpc expected. They dragged all this out thinking arbitration would be imposed and it has not. They were unprepared for that as proven by the lack of movement on their part and now scrambling as the negative PR against them keeps mounting.
I think the exact opposite.
I think you have that backward. The union intentionally timed everything so they would be on strike in November to try to force cpc’s hand. And they lost, now they are scrambling to find a way to get out of this mess. Public polls are starting to show that most canadians don’t support your strike.
I agree 100%. Public see unions as a bunch of cry babies lately with all the different strikes and constant unreasonable demands. Wesjet messing with people’s travel plans, Cn/Cp, Boeing, dock workers and now Cupw.
It appears that there’s a lack of transparency in the strike voting process. I don’t believe the reported numbers, as there seems to be no reliable verification at the local level. If votes were counted accurately and verified by each local, I’d have more confidence in the outcome. As it stands, our voices as members feel irrelevant, and the numbers could be manipulated to fit any narrative.
Regarding the picket lines, it’s mostly the same group of people volunteering—typically those involved with the local union leadership. Many of them aren’t even working their assigned positions, and while it’s their personal choice to volunteer, the rest of us don’t really have that option. We’re expected to be on the picket lines, with no real choice or influence in the matter, which feels like complacency is being forced upon us by strike pay. This process doesn’t reflect genuine member engagement or participation.
I’m on the picket line
Not involved in union matters
Many here no involved in union matters But still out on the line
I disagree with your statement saying only mostly union reps on line
“It feels like most of us on the picket line are here mainly for the $56 strike pay, rather than fully supporting the reasons behind the strike. A very SMALL group of volunteers probably involved with the union are showing their commitment by being here without claiming their hours of strike pay, which highlights a difference in motivation.”
I volunteered an extra 4 hours each to picket, I can’t complain because I am doing it to show solidarity and it’s not just about a paycheck. It’s about job security, a fair and reasonable contract from the CPC which they have failed to offer us for the past 17 years.
If anyone is to blame for the decline in Canada Post, it’s the people in charge at CPC.
Here here
Thx for your support
LOL
No problem with the Union, problem with the PROCESS
Let the MEMBERSHIP VOTE on EACH OFFER
The comment about fighting for future employees is a ridiculous argument. The job is not the same as it was the market is not the same as it was. All these comments do is appeal to an ideal that isn’t based in reality.
If change doesn’t occur there won’t be a future. People who are potential employees can decide for themselves if they want to work for the company, the same as we all decided to work for the company.
Plus why is CUPW not fighting for the two tier wage people. Cupw used the lowest pay x2 for strike pay too, exploitation much?
Logically speaking, the future is the only space of time we can fight for…
But cupw is not even trying to fix the old tier for the future riddle me that
100 percent agree!
So what happens when the CUPW war chest dries up and they can’t pay the pucketers and that is coming soon. Will the union go get a loan to cover this like they told the members to do?
Just a thought-you all could have had a raise this Christmas but put your greed first and now you won’t have a paycheque next week-really sad to see. You should be thinking about your families because you won’t get what you are asking for and you won’t recover the money you have already lost. Government and the public don’t support you and are frankly getting quite tired of you always going on strike and at Christmas time to boot.
when was the last time we were on strike at Christmas? 🤔
You spread falsehoods. CUPW is adequately funded to carry on the strike as long as necessary.
That’s good to know and I hope for your sake it’s true
CUPW should have a healthy strike fund but every year they take money that is supposed to be in the strike fund and move it over to the general operating budget because they spend too much money on things like trips to cuba and trying to get everyone from newspaper boys to the guys who sell peanuts at AAA baseball games to join their union. And almost always fail.
I don’t think postal workers are going to get a paycheck in December past the 280 a week. I don’t think cupw will be able to sustain that for long either.
There will be no further paycheques and only picket line money coming in. This is going to drag on for some time so get ready. I can see this going well into Jan 2025 since the company is being forced to do a hard reset.
And what do you expect the workers to do? They have no say until the union execs present them an offer to vote on. And they won’t until they feel like it.
That’s your union. You had a decent offer and your president turned it down.
The old ways just cannot continue anymore and things need to change. Agree or not, does not matter to me.
That’s not the case.
Most of the public is not on the side of the dithering CPC executives fat cats who caused the strike by unwilling to negotiate in good faith.
Each time the union ask them to take off the issue of hiring”gig” workers (who will only work 8 hours a week), the corporation negotiators refused.
No one can live on 8 hours a week work in addition to paying $95 in union dues.
Plus, we have never been compensated for the two years extension contract where workers were not given increases that reflected inflation.
Cupw is funding a new union called GIGAFY united.
Your union signed that contract extension so don’t complain about not being compensated-you agreed to it by empowering your union.
Here’s a thought for both sides seeing that they can’t seem to agree on anything.
1. Pay increase 5% in year one, then 2% above inflation rate for years 2,3 and 4.
2. No change to our health coverage.
3. 7 days a week work schedule, full time letter carriers do 4 10 hour days and part time do 3 10 hour days per week and casuals fill in where needed. This creates more jobs.
4. SSD is not going to change, CPC invested too much to give up on it. So put in 4 years and see who’s right. CPC says it streamlines services and is more efficient and CUPW says it causes more injuries. See what happens during this contract and make the necessary changes next negotiations.
5. New hires pension plan, when a new hire gets a permanent position with CPC give them a choice of pension plan, if they choice defined benefit then they have to work 500 hours before it starts and if they choice defined contribution then they start it immediately.
This would get us back to work.
Have you ever worked 10hours a day as a letter Carrier..? If you haven’t stopped commenting because you don’t know what the job entails, you sound like management with small man syndrome, pipe down junior
FYI neither side is scouring the comments hoping someone came up with a deal that works for everyone. No one cares what you think so give it a rest.
SSD must absolutely change aspects from it’s current version. Not the least of which roll start times back to at least 8 am if not earlier. I’m not working 10 hour days and finishing near midnight. Never going to happen
5 percent year one already on table. Not enough! 8%
It is so disturbing to read so many “what about ME” comments on this thread. The fight for future employees is precisely why we get the benefits we have today. YOU ALL were once “future employees”. Don’t you realize the fights that went on to get what you have before you started working for CP? Don’t you realize people actually died, gave their life, for some of the things we have today??
Truly, if you don’t think the fight against corporate greed and fairness is worth it, quit! You’re all an embarrassment!
Bob knows best. This generation of workers will never really get it. Love your comment.
Because there has been nothing worth voting on. You focus on the money and nothing else. I personally don’t like ssd in current form and absolutely do not want them to do away with route ownership. I like my route that’s why I bid on it. I do not want to come in and not know what I’m doing every single day. There is so much more at stake so stop being selfish wanting to vote on something we all dont even know all the details of.
https://www.cupw.ca/en/gig-workers-organizing-change
Ask CUPW
Seems to me the Company had to trash there business plan. How Long does it take to come up with another Plan?
Plan B might be to cut the workforce.
Attrition is the only way to go from here, thats what history and the Evidence says and we are going there oneway or another.
They were going to start attrition in the next few years anyway with so many people retiring. It will just be faster with CMBs most likely coming.
For me I am fine to work on weekend. If our company put more part time positions to work on the weekend, it makes everyone happy. The full time still have weekend off, and there is more working opportunities and be able to complete with other competitors. As long as we keep our benefits and raise our salary to a reasonable standard, I can go back to work anytime.
In my opinion this is a stupid hill to die on. Part time work is great for some people and the corporation. As long as it a fixed schedule and not open ended (like on call) there shouldn’t be a problem.
Canada post offered cupw the chance to cover our health premiums..
We pay $90/ month
Unifor autoworkers pay less
Nurses union in Alberta $50
Where is the money going??
Its time for professional representation… We should go with Teamsters IMHO
We all already contribute towards our benefits etc. Why should the union have to cover it? Just because we are on strike/locked out we are no longer human beings who need prescription or critical illness medications?
The starting rate at a Wal-mart warehouse is higher than the starting rate at Canada Post.
In all fairness Walmart workers definitely work harder than most cupw members. But I do understand your point. It’s messy.
Walmart has DB?
I am surprised no one has mentioned Amazon workers strike Black Friday.
I hope they strike longer than just one day to prove to the Fat Cats workers can’t pushed around by Big Corporations.
Bozo and executives have made far too much off the blood and sweat of the working class.
It’s time for this Union to go. They’re not sticking to the issues. All They’re trying to do is push They’re leftist agenda. All the Union has done is push CP away from the table. Respect and decency comes with a paycheck every couple weeks to pay the bills.
You.may think CUPW that the bunch walking the line are happy. Give it a couple more weeks and you’ll have mobs of angry people.
I don’t feel you have the membership best interests at heart. Doesn’t matter what the CEO or Management make. Go to business school get a degree than maybe you can be CEO.?
Doesn’t matter if the ships taking on water and sinking the Captain still gets paid. At the end of the day we should all be thankful we have a job.
Well Said!
It looks like management is out here full force trying to do damage control as easily evidenced by this phoney post. Good luck with your crumbling PR campaign. Canadians are catching on to how evil cpc can be. Cutting off dying mans cancer meds and left to worry about money instead of spending time left, with family. And all done with full arrogance without empathy, but its all over the news now. You can try to spin it in any which way, but the optics are brutal for cpc. The general public now seeing what we’ve been seeing for years. How cpc cares about nothing or no one except grredy undeserved management bonuses.
The union could have covered our benefits during the strike, they refused.
I dont agree with everything the union does but this is firmly and squarely on Canada post. They run and deduct for benefits our portions and now they would deny their human being employees because of a petty and vindictive crusade against said employees? No, this needs to be shouted from the rooftops as cpc shameful corporate greed
Is CUPW new gigafy union bitter that UFCW got 100k new members with Uber drivers?
Lots of talk about decertification of cupw….personally ive been saying since 2011, this union is too far left of center for serious negotiations for the current worker. Tunnel vision without thinking like a business person.
Im sure you have been saying this as a super since 2011. Pesky union stopping you from running rughshod and dumping all over employees
Thanks to all the keyboard warriors here, who are really just supervisors getting paid to supervise the comments?
The government would never allow 55,000 workers to lose their jobs.
No one is scared except the company.
Media is starting to report some of the real issues with this company. Give it another week…
No, I want to be back to work now.
Nice to see actual employees posting facts. Not supers trolling and stirring the pot!
How do you know supers aren’t on your side? Don’t forget they’ll get laid off too…and this is a CPC website…CUPW doesn’t like how 80% or more of us are against them…only followers are their hanger on Groupies!
80 % are against cupw? Quite the statement. Care to back that up in any way shape or form? Oh and BTW, most supers are NOT on our side, quite the opposite. They do cpc bidding busting chops,bullying and harassing and just generally making coming to work as stressful as possible.
Agreed. CPC comes across as a caring company who has the workers safety, mental health, family life, as one of its priorities. They have no intention of ever moving this corporation forward. This round of bargaining will ensure animosity with its workers for years to come.
What does this company has to be scared of? Company makes no profit, it dies and govt money flows in. Is the govt willingto pour 1b of tax payers money to maintain 68,000 jobs? Probably not…
Not to fear…another CEO gone. Just like the last one..hopefully the GC can get it right by putting in someone capable. Not someone who will paint the trucks, get new garbage cans, and try to spend all the money before paying the workers.
Spoken like a REAL employee! Nice one!
Yeah we are going on to our 3rd in only 10 years. Great track record
CPC wasting more money fighting nonsense in the courts. Whose decision was it to fire striking workers and why does this person still have a job????
https://www.cupw.ca/en/cupw-files-unfair-labour-practice-complaint
Don’t forget cutting off life saving or serious illness medications to those who really need them. According to Canada Post Corporation being on strike negates being a human being.
The union was given the chance to pay our benefits while on strike, they refused.
Did you forget we contribute every pay to our benefits? How does that fall on the union. Canada post cut them off. I dont care if they are within their right or not. We are talking people’s lives here and I truly believe a moral obligation falls on them to do the right thing
Go back to work and you will get your benefits back. Not that complicated.
And I th8nk you are forgetting that the union had the opportunity to allow for medical benefits to continue but chose not to. News flash, being on strike doesn’t negate you being a human being, but it does mean that your employer is not obliged legally or morally to continue to pay for your extras. And medical benefits whether you like it or not are extras. It’s a 2 way street. You withdraw your services and stop your employer from earning money, so they cut off your benefits and pay. What did you think was going to happen? You go on strike but the company still has to pay for you? Get real. The union made the call to strike knowing what effect it would have on the membership and then also made a decision to discontinue your benefits. If you want to blame anyone for this one, the blame rests completely on the shoulders of your National Executive Board.
Well said – great Union / NOT
Ok soup
Your union was offered to pay for them. Why didnt your union accept that? You pay dues right.. where is their responsibility in it? The union is the one that went on strike, not cpc.
You are so wrong. Its not their responsibility. You guys are just looking for anything to pin on the union. They are far from perfect and I also have some issues with them but trying to blame them for everything not right. Certainly railing against them here in a cpc forum doesn’t help anyone except cpc by sowing divisions which is exactly what cpc wants and you are handing it to them on a silver platter
I think you meant temporarily laid-off, not fired.
it’s clear the executive plan all along was for legislation and binding arbitration. those were the intentions all along.
you’re now on day 15 of a nation-wide strike. black friday is lost. christmas is around the corner. your inaction is telling. there was no other plan.
🤬CPC. All they care is the bottom line, not their workers or customers.
CPC cares about the bottom line because that’s what slows you to get paid. CUPW chose to strike which affected the customers. Do you understand anything about how this all works or are you just regurgitating the same old union propaganda.
I actually think that was CUPW’s plan, not CPC’s. They were hoping they would be forced back to work, allowing them to save face with their members. “We tried our best to fight for you but the big bad government forced us back”.
Didn’t happen and now we are left outside at 56$ a day while they scramble for a new “plan”
You hit the nail on the head.
yup just like the vaccine stuff they did it and deliberately botched it to fail so they could say we tried.
cupw didnt want a full strike they cut a deal with cpc for rotating that is why cpc is pissed and retaliated. cupw was forced to do a full strike because they saw how pissed the membership is and couldn’t stop there union due graby train
CUPW line is future workers, and supporting a Gig union…can we bring common sense into the negotiating table??!
We are out of work because the 2 sides disagree on staffing for weekend delivery. Canada Post wants permanent part time, union demands they be full time, for employees currently without pay and benefits it is infuriating that the unioun is ruining our livelihoods for their own agenda.
It is in our Collective Agreement that no employees will work exclusively weekends. Also, the union always fights for full time jobs! WAKE UP!
As for some PT workers (which would be great) if CPC has their way there would be boatloads of casuals and PT workers doing all the work every weekend and a handful of FT employees during the week. Again, WAKE UP!
Let the part-timers and casuals have the weekends.Many of them have been laid off. Give them an opportunity to work.
Most part-timers don’t get more than 20 hours a week and a lot of casuals hardly work.
During the past Christmases, weekend deliveries were only 4 hours RDO for full timers.
Hence, if they schedule 4 hours per day weekends, CPC can afford to give the work to part-timers and casuals.
It only makes sense.
The no weekend work only applies to group 1 employees, not all employees. and group 2 can have a minimum of 13 hours per weeks, so they could work 6.5 hours each day on Sat and Sun right now, nothing stopping cpc from doing that. So what’s the argument at negotiations then.
Cupw unfairly represented urban last contract to prop up rural, and now using all members to prop up Uber and skip agenda and future employees
If the dust settles who knows how long it will take to regain some business, the company does not want to pay 8 hours per weekend deliverer, if the volumes are not their. Its a lot easier to extend part time hours if that volume returns, let the company run the business the workers just want to work
CPC is the Problem. In order to regain the trust of customers and Canadians, show that you care by giving us fair wages, good benefits and safe working conditions.
Your competitors are giving better wages to their employees and better work standards. Please do the same.
If you want to improve the corporation’s financial position you need to provide better products and services that are cost effective to customers.
this!
The union is stalling on purpose, it’s not about wages for the union, they support a leftist woke propaganda.. wake up, over 14 months of no progress, we don’t deserve this abuse, the union has failed its members again and again…
Stop with the overused, tired old terminology. It’s so yesterday. It just sounds so embarrassing. No one takes it serious when reading or or hearing it. Come up with some new material, please.
Who exactly is making zero effort to end all this because their paln back fired and arbitration not coming? CPC thats who. They never had a plan B, and now they’re like deer in the headlights frozen. I for one am cautiously optimistic the union might actually be on to something here.
CPC is not the problem. The union is. Once you get someone full-time, you have costs which drives up and there full protection against layoff. Who in their right mind will accept that when the productivity of a lot of people in the union (PSAC, CUPW, etc..) are low.
The people want everything (aka greed), job protection, better pay, better pension, better work environment but remove the layoff part and do performance reviews every year and if your performance is low for multiple times, you are laid off period. This I think CPC will accept immediately.
UPS is hiring right now at $20.50 an hour.
The damage was done years ago unfortunately 😕
True. Damage was done back in 2018. Any damage right now is not really impactful to CPC
Bezos has a rule where if you cant feed a team with 2 pizzas, its too big.
When it comes to CPC – how many pizzas are needed fo feed the amount of people that ‘need’ to sign off on anything?
Lots of potential savings….
2 pizzas are priceless!
I am writing to express my concerns about the ongoing labor action and the direction the union leadership, particularly the President, is taking in contract negotiations. Like many others on the picket line, I am frustrated with the current situation and feel that a more realistic approach is needed.
It’s evident that a large portion of CUPW members, myself included, are only on the picket line because of the $56 daily payment we receive. Many of us cannot afford to be without work, and the $280 a week, or $560 biweekly, is barely enough to get by. If it weren’t for this financial support, I believe far fewer people would be participating in the strike, as many do not fully agree with the current labor movement strategy.
While I understand the importance of advocating for fair wages and conditions, I feel that the president of Cupw is not taking a realistic view of today’s economic climate. Times have changed, and we can no longer operate as if we are still in the labor environment of the 1970s or 1980s. With the cost of living rising and the holiday season upon us, it’s becoming harder for workers to make ends meet. Lost wages are hitting us hard, and continuing the strike without a clear path forward is only making matters worse.
In light of Labor Minister recent statement that “binding arbitration is not in the cards,” it’s clear that the government is not inclined to intervene in this way. I believe that Canada Post has made efforts to negotiate in good faith, and it is time for CUPW to adapt its approach and prioritize getting workers back on the job.
The president of CUPW needs to reconsider her stance and work toward a more reasonable solution. If she cannot do so, it may be time for her to reevaluate her position as CUPW president. CUPW members are losing respect for the leadership, and if this continues, the long-term effects on union solidarity could be significant.
I urge the leadership to take a more pragmatic and flexible approach to negotiations so that we can resolve these issues swiftly and return to work. Our livelihoods depend on it.
https://www.cupw.ca/en/gig-workers-%E2%80%9Cgig-work-real-work%E2%80%9D
https://www.cupw.ca/en/gig-workers-organizing-change
CUPW needs to focus on workers not on all expenses paid trips to conferences, shop classes, and committee meetings such as human rights issues, women’s issues, and Cuba.
They should just stay home and do them through Zoom or telephone conferences.
While some do feel the way your saying I actually have been seeing support grow and respect for leader grow with it. Finally they are taking a real stand.
Canada Post has negotiated in good faith? Not from what I am seeing. Their negotiations and even their statements are disingenuous.
bunch of nonsense
Many of us are participating on the picket lines out of necessity, not because we fully support the movement but because we need the $280 weekly strike pay. We need to work and earn a living, and this strike is becoming more of a burden than a solution.
It seems that the CUPW president is driven by an outdated, egotistical perspective that is disconnected from the realities we face as workers. The respect for this strike is waning, and many of us feel that our best interests are not being represented. Instead of focusing on the long-term well-being of the workforce, the strike has become more about making a statement than achieving realistic outcomes for the members.
Negotiations need to resume immediately. Our leadership must be more pragmatic and willing to engage in discussions that reflect the current needs of postal workers, rather than being stuck in old mindsets. The longer this continues, the more damage it does to the workers and the union’s reputation.
The time to fight is now. Now or never. We get jack if we do not stand up to our bully-employer and stay enough is enough!!!
The longer this strike goes on, the more we stand to lose. The union is out of touch with reality. Focus should be on existing employees not future ones.
Future employees don’t have to work here if they don’t like the offer.
I always wondered how standing around a fire in the streets is “fighting”
Our families are going broke nation wide because of this nonsense.
Feels more like a Hatfield vs McCoys situation and us the workers are paying for it. Nobody else in the company is losing a paycheque right now.
Unfortunately the longer this strike lasts people will find alternatives to Canada Post, to the point where Canada Post services will no longer be required
The damage was done years ago unfortunately 😕
Figure out what the wage should be NOW with inflation from last agreement and make that the wage for the start of new agreement.
Yearly wage increase of 2% or inflation rate. Whatever is higher.
Improve bennefits to same as executives.
Keep defined bennefit pension. If we want a glorified rsp, we will contribute to one.
Same pay, pension and bennefits for all workers past probation. No tiers.
Make delivery routes over 7 days.
Union agree to cmb for safety and as a consession to save cpc. Then as sites are restructured to cmb, use the ‘surplus’ workers to fill positions that work weekends behind a route and are relief 3 week days.
Get rid of rsmc. Make all urban.
You want relief for group 1??? Get rid of group 1 and group 2. One group. That consession on cupw would probably provide good savings to cpc to justify using same relief rules for all.
Cupw to agree to hourly – not fixed work – system for msc/ 5 ton drivers. CPC to then contract in all shuttles, and CUS work.
Cupw to stop this nonsense about seniors check ins and banking jobs. Focus on making your own existing members feel supported.
Cupw to also look at top to bottom and scale back union paid positions and offices. Cut union dues by %50, and have 50% of remaining dues go to strike fund each month. Dont talk about Canada Posts presidents, vice presidents and directors without looking in the mirror. Regional offices are only offices that need ‘an office’ and any full time off duty members. Sorry. Also, implement a rule that elected officials must be 2 year appointments and return to their substantive position to FULL DUTIES not stdp or iod either… for 1 year in order to be eligable to run again. This will guarantee that the union officials are never far removed from the realities of work being done.
Your last paragraph should be highlighted
“But as trade unionists, we have to make sure that all workers get a fair deal. Until Canada Post stops demanding we leave our future co-workers behind, we’ll have no choice but to keep fighting.“CUPW
Can’t believe that we are being held hostage because of “future employees “… WTF??!
And what about the two-tier wage employees hired after 2013. So many are not even close to max wage.
Blame the union for 2 tiered wages, they agreed to it so that the new employees hired would pay union dues, lining CUPW pockets like usual.. it’s not about us this negotiation it’s about the unions selfishness while we suffer financially and Canadians hate us more and more
Didn’t agree to it
Was forced upon us in
2011
and then voted on by members. don’t lie.
there wont be future employees after cpc goes bankrupt and has to zero volume
You were once a future employee that I went out on strike for many times over the past decades. Stop being a selfish whiner.
“Until Canada Post stops demanding we leave our future co-workers behind, we’ll have no choice but to keep fighting.”
FUTURE coworkers haha the ones that haven’t started yet are our biggest concern!
What about the two tier folk post 2013
What about them? They willingly signed on to a tiered position.
They only care about “future co-workers” because they want the union dues. Dues the won’t get when they are part time or temporary.
It’s all about money for the union itself, not about the actual workers doing the job right now.
Future workers can decide if they want to work for CanadaPost or not.
No one is forced to work a job they don’t want.
Maybe it’s time to get rid of all the dead weight at the top.
You know the old joke, “How many supervisors does it take to change a lightbulb?”
We don’t need 10 supervisors in one area while only one does the work and 9 sit down doing nothing.
Instead of laying off workers maybe lay off some of them. 🤔
CUPW too, they are a big bloated mess
CUPW is worse because all their executives get big pays, let’s see how much CUPW has wasted during negotiations and their payroll, I bet it’s as bad as Canada Posts..
I can’t stand see my dues wasted on CUPW dead weight
those fat should have be cut long ago
100% correct!!! Fuĺ Stop!@
https://www.cupw.ca/en/gig-workers-organizing-change
What really is Cupw agenda???
Bring in a third party firm to go through all the management and support positions top to bottom. Analyze function and determine if its needed with modern technology and apps. Almost every single VP, GM, Director and Manager in these departments is not needed for operations. Heck, many of the departments could be entirely eliminated via an APP or be contracted out to a firm that knows what they are doing.
HRBP
National C&D
PC&R
Accounting
Accesshr
Route measurement
Health & Safety
Service & Quality
Labour Relations
Corporate security
Etc
That would be one hell of a savings.
good point
Let’s go CPC make a final offer so we can vote and get back to serving everyone 😀
They made a final offer, that expired when you walked out.
that supposed final offer wasnt worth the paper it was written on
You got your final offer and then walked away.
Laying off workers that are on strike. The wonderful logic of CPC management is on full display.
Happens every strike, that’s how it goes. Why is it a surprise LOL
those people were not getting any pay cheque so I think cpc made them a favor by looking for another job because this strike will last for months.
also fyi, those people were temp or part time workers
Well, with no mail volumes left due to your strike action and lost confidence by the public, we certainly won’t need everyone so what did you expect.
Canada Post is a heartless employer! This is sick.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/striking-canada-post-worker-struggling-to-pay-for-cancer-treatment-after-benefits-cut/vi-AA1v0gzM?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=7a32eaef56054033b75baea0766a2db9&ei=18
Where is your union in all of this? They took the action knowing the rules. Why don’t they float the cost? They refused that’s why…
Why is CPC sick..? CUPW turned down the benefits, maybe know the truth before your falsifying information.
Cupw didn’t turn the benefits down. Come on. Really? You really believe cpc asked permission from cupw to maintain the benefits? Hey… did you see the news today? We landed the first astronaut on Mars! Grow up.
The union had the opportunity to pay our benefits while on strike, the union refused.
In a statement to CBC News, Canada Post said it provided CUPW with the opportunity to cover the cost of employee prescription benefits in the event they went on strike, but the union refused to do so.
Blame your cupw union which took 1 year and still no deal. all actions have consequences period. it is sad but it is what it is.
Well well well everyone, if you think CUPW is on our side, you better think again.. Gig workers and CUPW, looks like CUPW had a different agenda this whole time. Time to Decertify them now and bring in Teamsters to fix the mess they made and make CUPW legally responsible for this strike, 95% my a** voted to strike…
https://uniglobalunion.org/news/canadas-app-based-delivery-workers-organizing-with-cupw/
Cupw started another union called GIGAFY UNITED. Now they are using 50000 employees to prop up Uber and Skip drivers!!!
Wake up!!! Union members
95% voted yes of the 20-30% of the membership that voted.
10,000 to 15,000 members in total voted and out of those 95% voted yes.
There is no verification of actual numbers from each local. 95 percent in favor of a strike was a number they made up. They can do this and say this because no verifications are done as they are supposedly representing you.
Proof?
In a statement to CBC News, Canada Post said it provided CUPW with the opportunity to cover the cost of employee prescription benefits in the event they went on strike, but the union refused to do so.
Yes to put a burden on all the members, CUPW is a bunch of evil individuals that care about themselves, Holding all the members and Canadians hostage, they deserve jail time for stalling and putting everyone through this..
“Canada Post offered CUPW the chance to cover the cost of employee prescription benefits in the event of a strike. The company says the union declined.”
CUPW is being led by a DEI candidate. You’re learning the hard way now, aren’t you! 🤣😂
Worst decision to go out now. Starve.
Thank you for stating the apparent obvious( to me) CPC has slud hard as long as a Liberal government is in power??!! Gross mismanagement on an epic scale with alot of these legacy positions as secure as a paralmentary senator??? No body gets fired for incompetence?? Omg¡
Get back to the table CPC.
Your job depends on an agreement. Nobody is coming to save you.
Good. No more dues for CUPW. We will see how they do after 2-3 months of strike.
Around 2.5 million are paid out daily. Once the money is depleted – No one will attend for picketing and the support is lost. We are only showing for the 56 dollars daily.
False. Are some only showing up for $56 dollars? Sure. That wouldn’t explain the tons of people I see doing more than 5 days and way more than 8 hours.
https://www.cupw.ca/en/cupw-show-strength-canada-post-hq
😂😂union is almost broke 😂
“Canada Post is considering its options to move negotiations forward as talks with the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) have ground to a halt on key issues critical to the Corporation’s future.”
You aren’t gonna believe this Canada post, but did you know that one of your options is to offer the workers a contract without cutbacks (as usual). I mean, didn’t you see how easy the negotiations went in 2022? Did you miss having labour disruptions since then or something?
HELP I AM BEING HELD HOSTAGE 🤬
In a statement to CBC News, Canada Post said it provided CUPW with the opportunity to cover the cost of employee prescription benefits in the event they went on strike, but the union refused to do so.
Who is actually on our side.
To be honest CPC has never really done me wrong in my 35 years, I really think CUPW has to step down.
If CPC would let us come back I would gladly return.
I just posted this and yes it is true!!
I beleive 80 percent of the employees agree with you. Remember the strike votes are not actually counted
False.
You sound like you don’t work for CPC.
Totally Agree! I think a lot of people would be happy to return, especially the people that work in plants. This whole strike is about the outside delivery people and has little to do with the inside. Once again because of the diversity of the different groups in our contract some of us always get screwed over. And now they want the RSMCs in our contract as well. The contract is already thicker then most novels yet they just want to keep adding to it. The whole contract should be torn up and redone. There are so many conflicting articles in it as it is. If you don’t like what it says, then just turn to next page and it will then be on your side.
I gladly return as well
To me that is bs. Why would Cupw cover the cost? Cpc is trying to bust us up.
You chose to walk away so you should pay. Company is broke but your union still has money-at least for now.
and why is your almighty company broke? your overlords who have no clue what theyre doing did all this and now we have to clean up their mess ? Hell no the whole place can go down to the ground.. its where its going anyway with your crew at the helm
I know that CUPW had covered the health premium in previous strikes.
Cupw is fighting for themselves cupw employees not cupw members. There is a difference.
Correct Cupw is fighting for their gravy train which is union dues, not the members.
False. This doesn’t make any sense. If this was true they would go for CPCs plan for part time weekend workers. Lots of.does.oit of that.
Does anyone know if they are even at the table today or over the weekend?
No, they are currently done talking! We are going to be in for the long haul! I recommend looking for new employment, I am….
Hell no. They busted in the heavy hitters from across the country. The Union reps who have not worked their positions in 10 plus years and they are feasting at 5 star restos.
Since so many people are miss informed here you go
A defined benefit pension plan promises to pay you a certain amount of retirement income for life. The amount income you receive is based on a formula. That formula usually considers your earnings
and years of service with your employer.
In most plans, both you and your employer contribute. Your employer is responsible for investing the contributions to ensure there’s enough money to pay the future pensions for all plan members. If there’s a shortfall in the money needed, your employer must pay the difference.
The current plan is not dependent on future hires
I think alot of people also don’t realize that most other unions at CPC and pretty much every privatized company (irrelevant to the sector) have a Defined Contribution Pension Plan. For PSAC-UPCE anyone hired after 2014 was enrolled in a Defined Contribution Plan. This two-tiered model makes financial sense and allows those who are currently with CUPW keep their Pension Plan, while encouraging new hires to save money.
Before coming to CP I had a job in the private sector that instead of a pension they matched your contribution to an RRSP. I have been with CP for over 25 years and my investments are making more then my salary is at CP. Just because the pension is different it doesn’t mean that it’s worst. It could work out both ways.
Not necessarily. When a pension is under-funded, payments to retirees can be reduced if the employer cannot make up the difference in funding. If the company dissolves, there is no pension; Sears and Nortel are a great example of this.
Leave the pension alone!!!!
Thanks for the info. The fact that the union continues to pretend otherwise speaks volumes about their credibility. Either they are lying or they are ignorant, both options are not encouraging. What else don’t they know, or are not being truthful about?
The Pension plan (DB)is dependent on Interest Rates not subscribers. The Pension is A promise Not an Obligation.
Who is the biggest borrower (Government)
who is the biggest saver (pension Plans)
who sets rules for pension plans (government)
Who controls short term interest rates (government)
Sounds like a sophisticated way of stealing money from pensions by artificially lowering interest rates then forcing pension to invest in fixed income……worked on sears.
Life imitating art.
Some levity for Friday….Not downplaying the seriousness of the situation but it does make you think about losing sight about what is important. I hope everybody is ok and back to work soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r235gwc_dxk
Funny, but not funny.
Everyone would be prudent to make an effort to develop additional income streams separate from this company.
The company is promoting propaganda which is hurting the company’s reputation and the union is essentially allowing it to happen. Why? I don’t know, that is above my pay grade here, which is why I need to get paid elsewhere.
What are you talking about? Fake news. Give us some examples of this propaganda.
Great comment! Turn a negative situation into a positive one!
Best thing that could happen is CP pension plans buys the bonds, We the workers as owners take care of CUPW and all the dead weight workers.
Boom profit sharing cheques are in the mail.
This is by far the scariest strike/lockout I have been through with this company, other long-term employees I have spoken with feel the same. People don’t need five day a week, door-to-door delivery, the current delivery model is unnecessary and unsustainable. Parcel delivery needs to be fast and flexible, including weekend delivery like our competitors. Updating machinery within the plants will wipe out thousands of jobs through automation (ie. Albert Jackson); it’s a huge initial investment, but pays off long-term with reduced staff, salaries and benefits. The reduction in staff will have less people contributing to the pension, which could lead to a shortfall for DB members; hence the negotiation to have new employees on a DC pension.
Nobody wants to see job losses or reduced benefits for new members, but a leaner CPC is better than no CPC at all; and if a majority Conservative government is elected next year, we all may be looking for jobs in the not-too-distant future.
This is the last strike and it will continue to go on for weeks. I do not think CPC will back off. Trudeau will also not interfere because it can create a non-confidence vote. The conservative govt will use this CUPW strike as a valid point to sell the company and it will be over.
CUPW members and representatives if you read this. You are the ones who started digging the graves of 68,000 employees. Thank you.
100% CUPW responsible for losses and pissing off Canada and Canadians..
CPC started all this. How quickly you forget cpc made money 17 years straight and that changed to losses witth the last 3 ceos not having a clue what they are doing. Each worse than the last
Who did the 2018 strike? CUPW
and where is Bestbuy right now and how many other clients did we lose in 2018? With which carrier are they right now?
CUPW president called strike that is who is responsible for this disruption.
It would need to change the charter to privatize cp and conservative government many times has said it won’t privatize cp
You dont need staff to fund the DB pension, you just need a profitable company. The company supports the pension plan. It isn’t some pyramid scheme
The company has been on a ” holiday” for their contributions for the last 3 years because the plan is doing so well on its own. That begs the question where the hell did all that money go in this bs money losing but actually poorly spent fiasco?
Plan is doing well. Dont change it!!!
At what company can you keep your CEO job for over 5 years and claim it’s still losing money. The top executives still received their bonuses while still losing money. Why is that?
This is getting scary already come on cupw stop fighting for future jobs and try save the jobs of present employees we never getting the money we already lost
cupw representatives are still being paid.. they do not care about you. maybe vote for them not to be paid as long as there is a strike and we will see how fast they come to an agreement.
How are you so certain that union officials are still getting paid. What proof or knowledge do you have that this is true.
They are NOT getting paid anymore than those of us on the picket line. Stop trying to stir the pot with your misinformation
Where’s your proof?
Cupw is trying to promote their new union Gigafy United on our backs!!!
Heres what could happen, worst case, Canada post bonds are due in Summer 2025, Instead of refinancing they could exchange for equity in CP and representation on the board. Viola new part owners.
Since we don’t have negotiations happening I thought I would try and help move this along. If Canada post agrees to keep full time day positions for mail, parcel and packet delivery why would we not agree to evening and weekend parcel delivery. More business and more hours means more employees, more union dues, more inside workers, more supervisors, more prosperity for everyone. Workers, current and future would choose if they wanted full time route delivery like we have today or parcel delivery on weekends, evenings or both.
They never said they wanted to eliminate full time day positions. They just want to make them 8 hr shifts, not 5-6 hours but paid for 8. The plants don’t let out early for being fast.
Exactly!!
saw the plant workers all standing around watching the machines do all the work,plant workers should be paid half,thats how u save money
Fast is not a term used in the plant
No xrdo for shift 1.
Here’s a commercial you will not see on black Friday or cyber Monday. 100 percent off workers pay and benefits.
Wow. Management seems to be working OT in this forum today. All fake posts .
Fake post? I am not from management.
You sure sound like youre management. If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck…….
So one of our fellow brothers by brother I mean coworker who has had cancer and is being treated for it has had his benefits cut of like the rest of us and is forced to pay for treatment out of his own pocket which cost $2000 a day which he and his wife can’t afford and will surely die without these treatments and our national president says Canada Post is being disheartful but wasn’t she the one who called for full strike knowing those benefits would no longer be available
Again, the union collects millions of dollars every month in dues, why don’t they step up and help members in need. Lead the charge in postal banking, by issuing low interest loans to their members struggling due to the strike that they called.
I heard union offers up $2500 loan for anyone who asks. And yes CUPW did not want prescription coverage.
Hope he voted NO to strike
CUPW was also given the choice of covering the prescriptions. They refused!!
That’s true! Disgusting!
Sorry to hear that but every choice has consequences.. the union you are in choosed to go on strike with the other members. You should blame them for the hypocrisy because it is not the first strike. They knew or did not do their job well by assess the consequences.
The union asked for a strike vote. They did not ask to have benefits cut off. Canada post needs to be held responsible and should be ashamed at their petty vindictive temper tantrums that are risking people’s lives
Troubling that CUPW members have to come to a Canada Post site to read and leave comments. Guess our $90/month doesn’t cover a union site that allows comments…..
They are being left here so non cupw members read them genius
Everyone please do yourselves a favour and go check your My Service Canada Account. I think there you will find most of if not all of us have been laid off. Look for ROE forms and slips.
Only CEO and executives didn’t ROE.
Yep, I have my ROE dated Nov. 25/24.
Cupw wanna be power seekers ..: it’s over
Im done with all of this .. picket captain just sits there for the full shift in heated tent not walking the line .. lots of cupw bosses walking around throwing orders to workers that have donated more than u know.: cupw only worried about media interviews.. totally unrealistic cupw has failed us in so many ways .. people who like to have power , but have no clue what to do with it . Wake up .. before it’s too late
Little insider info here, bend on the weekend flex delivery work.. or there won’t be any work.. it’s not lies, deceit or deception, it’s truth. It’s not a scare tactic or the like. CPC will not bend on this issue and if you think cupw will force them into it because they have “support” on the line you are delusional. We have already missed the window for Christmas and there is no incentive or urgency to get a deal as the revenue isn’t there to make payroll. It’ll all sink in when there are no paycheques for the next 45 days. If there is no deal on the weekend flex, you won’t like what’s coming next, to the tune of about 15000 layoffs to make this company viable, and CPC will have the authority to unilaterally make this decision to keep this business afloat. This is a dire situation, no one side is gaining any traction here, showings at the picket line are not scaring CPC into signing any deal that won’t let them compete in a very cut throat market. Hope we all can come to our senses and secure what we have or it’ll all be lost.
Can a person put in for retirement when eligible even if we are on strike?
Not right now, the opportunity was there before the strike, now you have to wait. With no contract there’s no way the corporation will take documents.. You missed your chant and have to wait now
I have to pay rent this Sunday and I’ve barely been making it with 500 bucks for two weeks of picketing. The 6th check is going to be tiny and by the looks of it there will be no check on the 20th.
If this keeps going I won’t be able to afford anything here. I’m barely scraping by as it is. I don’t think we are going to win this one everyone it’s going to backfire on us.
Since CUPW wants to push postal banking why don’t they start it off by issuing low interest loans to its members that are struggling because of the strike they called. After all they collect millions in dues every month, invest it back into your members.
after this strike. it all make sense to NOT have postal banking because people will not have access to their money at a Post Office or if they have cash to pay their loan dues.
But aren’t you a “brother” or a “dear coworker “??! Thats why for me “solidarity “ towards institutions is a big BS. The Corp has responsibility, but more so CUPW, because they want this to keep on dragging because of their demands that have nothing to do with the workers really want.
CUPW is playing disrupter
Here is why, they have seen what the GiG Economy is and want to control it.
Everyone has made alternative arrangements I’ve received plenty of emails telling me not to worry about the strike they have found another delivery system. CUPW is simply going to represent the new delivery system model. They have created work for this industry with this labor disruption and are going to swoop in and collect dues from a whole new group. Unions are for Unions not the people they claim to represent. They generate no wealth they only take. We should have taken the second offer.
What happens to the pension contributions that all the employees saved?
If Canada post is serious about saving money why are not giving lay off notices to all supervisors superintendents managers route measurement officers. As they aren’t generating any income why pay them as well issue them layoff notices tell after the strike and if they don’t come back money saved as can hire at cheaper like you want cupw to do.
I believe APOC has no strike, no lay off clause in their CBA
In a war you don’t layoff your captains and generals.
they have a contract that protects them just like you do. And since they didn’t announce job actions, their contract has to be respected.
They aren’t the ones on strike and aren’t part of CUPW. They have a different union. CUPW union has created this mess. Ruined black Friday and Xmas. But hey, imagine a world where we offered postal banking and senior check ins. CUPW would be so unreliable ,they go on strike for 2 weeks, throwing tantrums to try and get their way. Folks couldn’t do their banking and seniors would be out of luck and forgotten about. What on earth is CUPW thinking… they aren’t reliable and the whole of Canada thinks the same too. The trust of Canadians has been broken by this strike and it is going to take a very long time to recover from this.
Wondering if CP will file for bankruptcy at this point. Will probably come back as a private company, Canada Gig.
Heh Canada Post, why not start saving money by firing the person charged with laying off workers already on strike. We see what you are all about with this nonsensical scare tactic.
How is it a scare tactic? They won’t need as many people when you come back. What did you expect to happen?
My neighbour Santa told me Ms. Santa that he misses getting all that junkmail i mean admail so he throw them out without looking at them. If that’s not reason enough to stop this strike immediately I don’t know what is!
why don’t cupw union website doesn’t provide minutes of every day bargain updates. I think if you are bargain for current employees, then consider the points relevant to current employees only, for the future employees, you can fight in future.
Because CUPW knows they’ve played into CPC ‘s hands and sunk the ship…trying to save face now…CPC wanted this all along…Never ever has there been layoffs,no govt interference by now etc…The new CPC will be half the workforce,Party time is over folks
I will say it’.again a whole new post office and with many more lay offs to come people with ten years or less and maybe more if we loose job security …it a coming people
I agree 💯% should go by job performance,that would cut it in at least half…Mgmt and employees…not so funny now when us old timers would tell the newbies GET OUT NOW…don’t waste your time here…I saw the changes coming years ago but after 30+yrs what do I know?🙄
The people with over 40+ years or more should leave, they are dragging the company down and not contributing into our pensions when they’re maxed out.. Let new people get a job, you 40+ have to stop this nonsense of working till you die, people need jobs and you’re holding us all back.
Corporate reset coming — hang in there.
If you’re an employee and haven’t started the process of finding a new job, do it now.. stop wasiting your time. It’s over friends.
Love it!
I feel it as well.
And that’s with 30 years behind me. I have been through a bunch of strikes… This one definitely feels different. A sad union leadership.. But also so bloated with management
If anyone should be fired, it should be the person in chairing the CPC.
Fired and arrested.
100% agree. the gov should fire CP president right away as he fires union members illegally as any normal Canadians know that firing is illegally during strike
cry. no agreement, no protection.
The minute CUPW announced the strike, the agreement was voided. No contract. Under the labour code, they can legally lay off people.
Nobody has been fired but when the house burns down, you don’t move back in right away. There is a rebuild that may take years to happen. They don’t need everyone they had,
Canada Post knew CUPW would never accept the rollbacks proposed. They banked on the gov stepping and passing some of the garbage they proposed. It’s time to chuck the garbage and rollbacks out, meet in the middle on raises, and end this.
Remember when a million parcels is day was a smashed record? Now they are using that number as a guide line in the press. Like a million parcels a day is business as usual. If that is true how can you possibly screw that up? The money is printing itself. Somehow management did. 2006 is also the new guide line standard year for letter mail. The year after sequencing mail to reduce the workforce remember? We made money 17 years in a row before that. Until management got ahold of it. 2 billion dollars was invested in sequencing the mail and we have been paying for it ever since. SSD looks like the straw that finally breaks the workers back. Don’t even consider blaming the workers. We remember it all.
Awesome comment! Very well put.
Finally. A truthful post. Well done.
Very good point. Pre strike its parcel volumes way down and we can’t compete and now it’s losing one million parcels a day. (They haven’t lost anything because Purolator is moving them). So which is it cpc? Caught in yet another lie!
Purolator is a different company. It’s like having a great head of hair on a dead body
Purolator is owned by Canada post or did you not know that. So basically Canada post has lost nothing in this strike, certainly not parcels. And we all know cpc doesn’t give a crap about mail (wonder if their customers realize that) and already being delivered days late with ssd. Oh and also purolator is apparently now doing customer pickups also. JLL was at our station few days ago and when asked why , they were turning all the heat down to min. Nobody in the building. Time to picket purolator locations boys and girls. Getting nowhere at our depots
So the fact that lettermail has steeply declined and parcel competition has increased with faster and cheaper companies has nothing to do with CPC losing market share and money?
Remember when Amazon was our biggest customer? What happened? They used CPC to deliver their parcels until they created their own delivery network; Wayfair is doing the same. Parcels normally delivered by CPC from online shopping are now being delivered by UPS and Fed EX; retailers simply choose another service provider from the countless courier companies willing to take our business. Customers who relied on CPC were forced to sign long-term contracts with other carriers; we don’t get that business back.
Cupw created a new union that the members can go over to now it looks like
https://uniglobalunion.org/news/canadas-app-based-delivery-workers-organizing-with-cupw/
I worry everyday about my children. If this continues I could lose my. As a single dad with three kids under 10 I hope the head of the union will be Santa for my kids.
More the Grinch.
No benefits EI for CUPW members. CPC posted it as a strike/lockout. RIP CUPW
What does that mean?
If you are laid off during a strike, you can’t get EI until after the Labour dispute is settled.
It’s also pointless to grieve to get your job back.
It would be better to look for a new job where the employer treats their employees fairly.
You can’t lay people off during a strike mr. manager. I love the, ” if you don’t like it leave” narrative btw. That attitude is the reason unions were created. Thankyou for helping anger up everyone’s blood. It makes us more united to have an arrogant oppressor.
No contract bud-you work under canadian labour law now and nothing more.
YES
well said
The laying off during the strike is not the relevant part. When the union takes a knee and the strike is over, they will only have work for 40,000 maybe 45,000 workers. 10-15,000 will be on EI until and if volumes return. Since nobody is impressed with the timing and pettiness of this situation, they may not come back. They all had to get a solution for the holidays and when they realize that others can and will reliably deliver parcels, they will stay with them. All we will get back is whatever Lettermail didn’t convert to digital and the uline catalogues. So the layoff notice will be relevant when they don’t need the extra 10 or 15,000 workers.
cupw might grieve the layoffs as unless Canada Post can prove otherwise it is against the labor code.
It means that if everyone goes to My Service Canada Account and look it up they will likely find out that we have all been laid off but didnt realize it. Thats how I found out. Once again another lie by cpc telling the media only limited numbers of employees laid off to do PR damage control
Canada Post stop accepted STD application during strike period. Am I right or wrong ?Why Canada Post stop all extended healthcare benefits includes some employee they are work injury under treatment or illness or have permanent disabilities. Consider this way, this is how Canada Post treat their employee… Profits is more than a human life and profits is over our Canadian Human Right.
If this continues we will have nothing left. Why did everyone believe the union dogma. READ the room. If you can’t, let me do it for you. We have no bargaining power. Everyday we lose more leverage and we had very little. Every time we strike we are needed less because people work around the need for mail. We need to accept the terms. The union is being run by a fool. She needs to go. We need to accept. If not we will all be without work. It’s hurting now but oh how much more it will hurt when we are all working for Amazon for much less pay and benefits. I urge all the members to understand. Stop thinking this will work with the current union dogma. It will not. Many of us do not have another income. I have a daughter. She needs to eat and I would like to buy her a few Christmas presents.
geez with you in charge we would be working for under minimum wage. No pension. No benefits. Nothing…Thankfully, you are NOT in charge
Not working at the moment. On strike. Remember. Definitely not your bud.
You love all the benefits of the union but as soon as you have to suffer just a little you want everyone to roll over and quit. It doesn’t work that way. Toughen up and plan ahead more than a week at a time.
👍👍👍
Curious what both sides are going to come back with.
Wages tied to inflation?
Bennefits same as executives?
7 days delivery model?
RSMC merge into Urban?
What is it that actually matters for these folks???
We haven’t seen a thing in over a month. Neither side is coming to us with anything. It would be nice to see some progress or what has been signed off on
its been just over 2 weeks…Not a month.
Does anyone even know what these executive benefits are? For all you know they might be worse with a fancy title.
Any chance the reason the union is so against weekend part time work where Canada post could hire employees with as little as 8 hours per week is because the union won’t look so could charging those employees their $100 per month dues like all other temp and part timers. Lots of people would work 8 hours a week here as a part time job until they have to pay their union dues.
New hire and temps sitting at home waiting for a call would be able to get some work with Canada post while keeping another job until they can get stead Canada post hours. Might be less quitting shortly after training because never get work
Great point.
95 dollar monthly union due for someone working 15 hours a month.
Ask your president
https://uniglobalunion.org/news/canadas-app-based-delivery-workers-organizing-with-cupw/
That was 2021 old news supervisor anonymous. Sitting the lot but taking the pay raise cupw gets you
I am writing to express my concerns about the ongoing labor action and the direction the union leadership, particularly the President, is taking in contract negotiations. Like many others on the picket line, I am frustrated with the current situation and feel that a more realistic approach is needed.
It’s evident that a large portion of CUPW members, myself included, are only on the picket line because of the $56 daily payment we receive. Many of us cannot afford to be without work, and the $280 a week, or $560 biweekly, is barely enough to get by. If it weren’t for this financial support, I believe far fewer people would be participating in the strike, as many do not fully agree with the current labor movement strategy.
While I understand the importance of advocating for fair wages and conditions, I feel that the president of Cupw is not taking a realistic view of today’s economic climate. Times have changed, and we can no longer operate as if we are still in the labor environment of the 1970s or 1980s. With the cost of living rising and the holiday season upon us, it’s becoming harder for workers to make ends meet. Lost wages are hitting us hard, and continuing the strike without a clear path forward is only making matters worse.
In light of Labor Minister recent statement that “binding arbitration is not in the cards,” it’s clear that the government is not inclined to intervene in this way. I believe that Canada Post has made efforts to negotiate in good faith, and it is time for CUPW to adapt its approach and prioritize getting workers back on the job.
The president of CUPW needs to reconsider her stance and work toward a more reasonable solution. If she cannot do so, it may be time for her to reevaluate her position as CUPW president. CUPW members are losing respect for the leadership, and if this continues, the long-term effects on union solidarity could be significant.
I urge the leadership to take a more pragmatic and flexible approach to negotiations so that we can resolve these issues swiftly and return to work. Our livelihoods depend on it.
We are on strike for legitimate reasons. Wake up already and stop trying undermine CUPW.
The last offer was reasonable. Only cupw seems to be the only union still living in the 70’s.
Not reasonable whatsoever
No, CUPW undermine themselves with misplaced representation.
What they represent is in their name, Canadian Union of Postal Workers.
Their main purpose for existing is to fight for the rights of postal workers, not cleaners who don’t even touch mail.
It is even more disgusting how they push their social leftist agenda onto everyone.
It also sucks that they charge everyone the same amount for union dues regardless if you are full time, part time or, causal and then waste money on lost causes.
You are incorrect. They are not legitimate. Please understand this and wake up. I would like to be able to feed my children.
We must consider the reality of this strike. Many of you, around 90%, are ready to return to work tomorrow. This strike was initiated by our president and was likely on the table before we even had a chance to vote. It’s important that we wake up to what’s really happening here.
While striking may seem like the only way for the cupw president to address our concerns, it’s becoming increasingly clear that strikes don’t work the way they used to. Losing wages during this period isn’t worth it. We will not gain anything like what happened in 2011. She needs to push for collaboration and constructive negotiation. A strong leader should have the workers’ long-term interests at heart, not just their own personal agenda.
What happened to your 95% strike mandate?
This lack of local verification isn’t an accident; it’s a deliberate feature of bureaucracy. By not allowing each local to be verified, the voting system prevents challenges reinforcing the idea that power remains with the union and not with the peoples votes. As your local for evidence of vote counts. No one would be able to answer that question.
They are not legitimate reasons to strike. Part of negotiations sure, but not strike worthy.
Did you vote? Most did not
Nice speech my long winded friend. Lotta words. Very little substance.
Why do you believe Canada Post has made efforts to negotiate in good faith?
President is doing what we demanded her to do. FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
We don’t fight we get nothing.
She didn’t fight for the members when she went to Cuba during negotiations, you awake yet..?
She now works for her new union
https://uniglobalunion.org/news/canadas-app-based-delivery-workers-organizing-with-cupw/
I suggest taking the deal presented and get people back to work. Called the company’s bluff and those tactics failed.
Time to vote on the latest offer. This Union must disappear and its so called leaders should be fired immediately.
Agreed. I was reading on some cupw Facebook page that some think that this a great thing that we’re bring Canada post to its knees. That this is going to be long battle because they are going to try to restructure all operations.. listen people IF that is happening you think we can stop them? Not a chance, and if we prevent Canada post from running a business at this time, pretty soon there will be no business to come back to.. guaranteed!! We are not a staple in Canada anymore. Cupw says this support on the picket line is working, that’s a farce, if it was we’d be in a better position today (or working) instead of acting like spoiled brats on both sides walking away from the table. Most people I talk to and see in the picket line are there from 8-noon at the earliest possible time of day to get done asap and collect their $56.20. Shows exactly who we are. “Don’t work past noon” look people we’ve already lost 4% of our yearly wages to date with no end in sight, it makes our 12% raise offer pointless, the longer this goes on the more pointless the 24% is as well — we will never come out ahead. Never.
Exactly I think .. how do we vote?
This strike will backfire and CUPW will be no more. Bet by 2026, CUPW will be not part of CPC.
Canada Post is not supposed to be making a profit. It is a crown corporation to work for the people. We made a profit for almost 20 straight years up until postal transformation started.
Wake up and stay strong. If you can’t handle this…Plz go away. Its been 2 weeks…People on here act like its been 2 years.
So quit
The last offer was completely worthless.
Wait till you see the next one…
Our vote does not matter. The numbers have been forged from day 1. Ask your local if they have the number who voted strike vrs non strike. Its a made up system.
Made up system just like cpc losses. All made up from reckless spending and bonuses pay outs
How bout this? Let CPC make the business decisions! Then discuss in 2 years after another pandemic and recession.
Why is Canada Post breaking our Collective Agreement? Shame on you Canada Post!
14.24 – It shall be understood that the work which is normally and regularly to be performed on Saturdays and Sundays shall be apportioned so that no classification or employee shall be scheduled exclusively on weekends.
This collective agreement is null and void. This is why they are in negotiations for the NEW agreement.
Shame on the Union for holding us employees hostages.
This Union should NOT be allowed to represent anyone. They are a group of irrational individuals who are taking advantage of the negotiations to make outrageous demands that they, themselves cannot even understand. I applaud Canada Post for the latest move to force the Union to accept the offer that all of us employees believe to be a good contract.
This Union “Executives” must be fired for the irreparable damage they caused to all Canadians, and business in general. The end of the Union is near since they serve no purpose in our society.
Canada Post must stand firm and not give in to any irrational demands.
Exactly.
The moment CP accepts the demands, this company is doomed. Govt money will flow in and this is the start of all downfall. Layoff the procrastinators.
Change is required and inevitable!
Stand firm CPC. Re-build and we will strive for excellence!
That was your old contract which is no more.
From Canada Post:
“Management has determined that no material uncertainties currently cast doubt on the Corporation’s ability to operate as a going concern for at least 12 months from the reporting date.”
https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/doc/en/news-and-media/2024_Q3_report_en.pdf
On Wednesday November 20 2024 CUPW posted this on their site:
The Urban unit continued talks on weekend delivery. On this issue, the Union has several priorities. We cannot allow weekend work to undermine our full-time letter carrier routes on weekdays. Further, we cannot allow the Employer to create a second-class of employees to deliver parcels as cheaply as they can.
The Union will not take part in a race to the bottom with “gig-economy” platforms, whose business model depends on cheap labour with no rights.
However a little digging turns up this:
Gig Workers United, supported by the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW), is both full-time and part-time delivery app couriers; racialized and migrant workers; women and trans people; international students; and people with families. We are organizing for the transparent pay, livable wages, improved health and safety conditions, and labour protections we deserve.
Want to join other gig workers building a community union to fight for labour rights and protections? Together, we can fight for — and win — the workplace we deserve.
Is this a conflict of interest? Are you okay with this representation Urban Unit?
Discuss amongst yourselves.
When will the Urban unit get to vote on contracts? That is the question.
Sad about this is that the Union is making us lose days of work to defend their social agendas.. nobody cares about that!
The number is not verified by anyone. The number 96 percent was a forged non verified number presented to everyone. A clear picture would be displayed by locals of votes if it was actually verified and counted.
CUPW also represented Foodora “gig” workers for about a month before the company pulled up shop and left Canada. I respect their ideals but, like all things CUPW related, it doesn’t end well. Or as they expect at least.
Cupw AGENDA
https://uniglobalunion.org/news/canadas-app-based-delivery-workers-organizing-with-cupw/
We need to work weekends but let’s get real you cannot legitimately think paying us full timers overtime is sustainable on a regular long term basis. How about this ??? offer part time positions to retirees . Any thoughts ?
i agree,you should be sitting at the table
Weekends are fine. Just not the dictatorial way CPC wants to do it. We have a contract that forbids CPC entire PT forever weekends platform. Why does CPC ALWAYS break our Collective Agreement and then act shocked when we say no ________ way!!!!?
“Article 14.24
It shall be understood that the work which is normally and regularly to be performed on Saturdays and Sundays shall be apportioned so that no classification or employee shall be scheduled exclusively on weekends.”
You no longer have a collective agreement. It’s all up for grabs now
true. agreement went off when they decided to go on strike.
can Canada Post go Bankrupt?, don’t think anybody will be in favor of a bailout with what has gone on for the past 2 weeks.
No, but Canada Post Corporation executives are morally corrupt.
Another day on the line and gotta focus on the positive. Getting paid weekly and it’s tax free.
Sunny ways.
Right along with the CUPW executives
Its all about the money folks, everything else is just noise, convenient truths, hearsay, sympathy mongers, Subjective thinking. When it comes down to Money there are clear lines and Legal precedence. I would be surprised if the feds gave us a bunch of money ( they should but will they). Will the Can be kicked until the next contract probably. Doesn’t look good for the new hires or anyone else beyond the next contract.
CANADA POST CORPORATION IS NOT EXXON MOBIL CORPORATION IN TERM OF REVENUES ,
FIRE CROOKED AND IGNORANT CUPW PRESIDENT TRYING TO PLAY MOTHER THERESA .
FOR THE FUTURE OF YOUR GRAND CHILDREN , CHILDREN , YOURSELVES AND THE SURVIVAL
OF CANADA POST , STOP THE STRIKE , WE ARE ALL IN THIS BOAT TOGETHER , WE CAN DROWN
AND IT WILL BE THE END …
Nice work on the ALL CAPS makes it important. Hahahaha
PLEASE HEAR ME! CPC IS NOT GOING TO DIE, CUPW HAS MORE TO LOSE.
I will not make any more sarcastic comments about cupw and cpc executives and the great job they are doing with pay….til next time!
If you want a contract you should endorse a raid. This is an open period. Purolator has Teamsters. If CUPW sees another raid they will put their interests above everyone else’s and settle instantly. Teamsters would take that work in a heartbeat.
You can take the lead and bring in Teamsters. I am sure lots of people would like that.
Who’s going to take that on and get it started
I have a set of eyeglasses in the system. my old ones are failing. If they totally fail, I won’t be able to drive as well as many other tasks. While I’m a strong union supporter , I’m very irritated with this all. GET off of your collective duffs and get back to the table!! If I can’t see I can’t do things or work. Legal action may be required just to get my glasses.
Order another pair from clearly or kits. Inexpensive and delivered by uniuni next day. I solved your problem
Apparently there will be a Christmas party when all is said and done. For the executives of cpc and cupw and their families. I wonder if they are going to use our dues to pay for it?
You better believe it. Just saw regional reps who haven’t worked their cpc positions in decades out rAlLyInG in Ottawa lol
Some lame rally in front of an empty building. Really striking a chord. Very cringe
The person they mostly disturbed were workers from CRA.
in winnipeg have not seen a regional rep.too busy sitting at home getting paid.should get rid of all regional reps,dont do a thing,unless your family or friends.what wast of money
Drove past the Gateway today, saw maybe 50 people picketing at 11am. Strong solidarity for one of the biggest facilities in the country. lol
Think about the savings for the company these days. No wages, benefits or operating costs and expenses. Just paying APOC to do catch up work and balancing the books for a while. Probably saving $20 million a day at least. Now you tell me why they would be panicking. Congratulations, you played yourself CUPW
CUPW members thinks all canadians are on their side
CUPW has done a great deal over the years for us members, but times have changed and we are not alone anymore. If we don’t settle this soon there won’t be a job to return too.
Ironic we are out fighting for better wages and working conditions but yet only getting $281 a week strike pay. Average dues $100 per month 55000 members and no strike pay out in over a decade, do the math. Why are we getting less than minimum wages on the picket line.
Should have taken the second offer. Most of us will lose our homes etc. if this continues. Canada Posts future is nearing its end for all of us. I got 35 good years in at least. Better start looking for other employment all.
No they haven’t, not in a few decades.
True I was trying to be nice, but nice not working so well. Looks like Christmas will be spent out in the cold making $281 a week. I want all my union dues for the last 35 years back.
Where’s all the money gone? Seriously.
CUPW Thanks for putting us out and perhaps ending CPC .
If you want a contract you should endorse a raid. This is an open period. Purolator has Teamsters. If CUPW sees another raid they will put their interests above everyone else’s and settle instantly. Teamsters would take that work in a heartbeat.
Most of us will lose our homes????? What? You’re a funny one pal
My Christmas Lights have never been up so early and all the chores are done, Merry Christmas everyone! Feeling the best I have physically felt in 24 years as a carrier. Much needed break and happy to be on a forced vacation. Life is good people and it will all be ok! Heading out for the day to be a tourist in my own city trying to enjoy the small things in life. Stay strong stay united god bless all!
It’s not going to be ok.. tell me how you are in 6 more weeks of this futility
It will all be ok! Relax 👍🏼
Nice you are in the position to sight see and enjoy a stress free break. Most of us are anxious and worried. Savings only last so long. So do sayings like “stay strong “ and “solidarity “…. They don’t pay the bills!
The union could’ve seal the deal long ago if they were not demanding things that CP workers never really asked for .
But they’re liberating the cleaning staff.
Liberation for all. We are 55,000 strong, and adding more, we together are more unstoppable!
And more dues for cupw this is the motivator
They’re already CUPW members just not canada post employees yet
CUPW is Canadian Union of Postal Workers. Didnt know the cleaning staff are considered as Postal Workers now.
CUPW reps over 15 other sectors that are completely unrelated to postal workers! all about the dues $$$$$$$$ cha ching
Umm. No union can agree to taking benefits away, hiring exclusive weekend workers, and blowing up the pension. Wake up.
Just make a deal already. Sorry but I don’t care about new employees at this point. I need to take care of me first. Bring that up at the next contract negation.
And neither do they. Abolishing two tier wages did not make the demand list. They do not care about this. They are okay with two tier wages as long as they get their cut in dues.
Rallying so hard for employees that are not working here yet but legit have members at $22 bucks ok cupw.
Don’t forget the strike pay is calculated at 200% of the lowest CUPW wage. It seems they don’t mind the 2 tier pay when it’s in their favour.
Yes. See how they used that to their favor. Why not 200% of max wage!
Get back to the table and negotiate a contract like adults. The government is not coming to your rescue.
Nan. We good.
You think? Dream on
Yes 100% sure. My skill is transferrable and I will be on another job if there is layoffs.
I’m going on strike! Screw those kids!
FYI, Did you know that if you’re in the union office you get a severance when you leave. For those of us that have been around long enough you can recall that we used to have severance as well. It was one week a year, up to twenty eight weeks. You got that when you retired. It was a nice way to go. Back then the senior people did not care for future generations. They were all maxed out so collected their pay and who cares about the younger people.
Now, I am reminded at the bottom of every paystub that I owe two weeks pay when I go. Now that I am the senior person, the union all of a sudden wants to fight for the next generation. It seems to me that I am getting short end of the stick from this union again and again.
Me too! It was nice walking out with that but I’m in the same boat…owe the corp instead! Thanks CUPW😡
Amen!!!
I agree totally, it’s time for CUPW to go!!!!
You are paid two weeks in arrears like most everyone in the western hemisphere no one is stealing your money as you make it sound lol
Your last two weeks of working for CP will go back to repay the money they have lend you when they switched to the pay in arrears system. That is if you were hired prior to the switchover date. This is what it states above not what you’re saying.
Yep and cupw gave ours up. They get per diem, km allowance, food and travel paid for max wage plus percent on top etc etc etc they’re very much a bloated mess like Corp.
If you want a contract you should endorse a raid. This is an open period. Purolator has Teamsters. If CUPW sees another raid they will put their interests above everyone else’s and settle instantly. Teamsters would take that work in a heartbeat.
What’s the matter Canada Post — government not coming to save you this time?
Members getting laid off and looking for jobs because of failed negotiations, yeah the corporation is suffering.. Shake your head 🤡
If you think about it. No mandate is good for CPC. CUPW is too smart to think that once govt changes, this strike will be used against them to sell the company. CPC wins in both ways. 😉
Stuck on graveyards like a zombie. This place is weird to work at been here 7 years almost all on graveyards. Wanna see a depressed and lazy group of people? I hate this place I’m quitting. Company couldn’t be run worse.
Graveyard affects mental health and people get sleep deprivation …And people seem lazy because of lack of sleep. Try to come off the graveyard shift. life will become more joyful. Hang in thete!
We are going to work Dec 9th.
Enjoy your time off till then.
That’s why I am still ….
Who said the start date is December 9th?
Dec 9 sounds good you didn’t mention which year?
Me too! It was nice walking out with that but I’m in the same boat…owe the corp instead! Thanks CUPW😡
Nan, we missed black friday. There is no point to surrender now. I say it will go till January. 30th of January.
1.) Tie wage increase to inflation, or 2% per year. Whatever is greater.
2.) Give us the same extended health bennefits as the executives
3.) Leave our pension and wage system alone for current and future members
4.) Merge RSMC into Urban
5.) Make it an 8-10 year deal so we have stability
6.) Make union dues per member a percentage of take home pay (minus OT).
7.) Have the sorter prep flyers for SSD so we grab and go. No inside time. One start time for delivery.
8.) Build routes based on 7 day delivery, and part time Saturday Sunday positions as long as they have same pay and benefits as all other members. This protects current members Monday-Friday delivery jobs and offers an entry level weekend position for students and many in the community that only want part time.
Union Dues are not a part of the collective agreement. CP could care less, that is a union issue that they refuse to deal with every single time it gets brought up.
The fact the union is willing to screw PT and Casual and then claim to fight for them in the next sentence is a joke. Even at the local level, they use casuals to file grievances, then go into consultations and throw them under the bus.
Exactly!
As a part-time I am getting the blunt end of the stick when the lazy FT PO4 I work with leaves all the work to do.🤬
P.S. I am NOT referring to all PO4s just the one I work with.
prorated dues have been put forward many many times and neb shuts it down
Do the executives even have a better benefits plan? I don’t think they do.
Yep. They have a different plan. 51390
Having a different plan doesn’t make it a better plan. I’m going to assume you have no idea about this and are just spouting nonsense
Oh yeah? You think the folks at the top gave themselves their own plan thats not as good?
Oh and they dont post the details because its worse than ours???
This is reasonable and makes some sense.
Excellent breakdown 👌
When i meant FORCE i meant forcing the union leadership to allow us to to vote on last offer….its more democratic…if there was an order to vote…you as a member dont have to attend.
Cupw president is very week look at her interviews and what does she make a year no one says
If you want a contract you should endorse a raid. This is an open period. Purolator has Teamsters. If CUPW sees another raid they will put their interests above everyone else’s and settle instantly. Teamsters would take that work in a heartbeat.
Lots of finger pointing po4 to lc and so on, but el presidente is a retail worker!!! i think po4 and lc should point the finger at that
I hope one positive from this impasse with no collective agreement in effect is for the layoffs to not be based on seniority but based on performance feedback from supervisors and managers.
Are you scared that your performance isn’t up to par. People like you give us good workers a bad name. I’m definately all for getting rid of the under performers. That’s a huge way to save money.
That’s exactly what they said…
Maybe try reading the comment before you comment next time. That’s it, you’re out first lol
Canada Post is desperate to control the narrative on these negotiations. They blocked the CUPW.ca website through their firewall…..
Desperate times call for desperate moves….
That is false. You are able to connect and read all the updates. But nice try.
Fake news
This is false. Works fine on my corporate device. I get more news on this situation from cupw.ca than I do from head office.
From rural bc and have approximately 5
Parcels stuck either in a neighbouring town. My family and I really need our packages! Maybe CP can let customers know where to pick up our parcels??? They’ve been paid for including delivery!!!! 😔 I cannot
Express how frustrating it is to not even be given the option to come pick up whatever has made it near to my delivery location!!!! Will we be refunded
Delivery fees?
Depends on the browser you use….
Nice try bro
An article from National Post (a conservative leaning newspaper) that has a few insightful points: https://nationalpost.com/opinion/the-only-way-to-save-canada-post-is-to-privatize-it
“While Canada Post had a 62 per cent share of the parcel delivery market in 2019, it has since plummeted to 23 per cent.”
“the entire economic purpose of a union is to raise members’ wages above the market price — in other words, to drive the cost of labour as high as possible. By design, unions exist to reduce operational efficiency.”
“The deleterious effects of unions are well known. Unions break the link between workers’ productivity and compensation through collective bargaining, and in doing so, they discourage work effort, protect unproductive workers, disincentivize workers from investing in their own human capital and kill innovation.”
I regret to inform you this is not insightful at all. While I don’t agree with many of the union’s demands given the current financial state of the company, please don’t let a newspaper owned by ultra-rich capitalists fool you into thinking this is the purpose of unions. Capitalism will never favour unions and in the process will go above and beyond to slander and union-bust. If you need a refresher on the good that unions have done, read your history books.
@Comrade 👏👏👏👏👏👏
You are 100% correct and all this union-bashing is nothing but people who have no idea why unions were needed in the first place! You think the middle class is shrinking?? There would never have been a middle class if not for the fights unions won over the years! I’m sick of watching billionaires control the narrative…we will continue to fight!
Every time they give minimum wage a maximum bump the middle class gets smaller. Gonna be ultra rich, working class professionals and people on social assistance. Not sure who is gonna do the jobs like ours for barely a living wage.
Yes I agree.
Fake News
I think it’s time CUPW told us how much of our dues they wasted on Negotiations. 13+ months and still no contract, what did this cost besides the workers getting laid off, late or no strike payments, hours in the cold without fire wood. Tell us now CUPW what did it cost for you to stay in a 5 star hotel for over a year, going to Cuba in the middle of negotiations, and the expensive meals you ate.. Guaranteed over $100,000 or more.. You take our dues when we get paid by the corporation without delay, why are you delaying our strike pay, we ALL want to know…!!! NOW..!!!
I know there are more issues than just pay rate, but where that is concerned, why not meet in the middle. 16% over 4 yrs. The other issues concerning weekend delivery, pension ect., unfortunately I think are already set in stone. Do you really think after all the changes regarding SSD do you really think they’ll go back? I don’t think so, so maybe modify it. (Eg. Start times). This is just ridiculous. After a year of negotiating (or we’re they?) there’s got to be a way to get this done. All of you saying NO Let’s continue the strike into the new year, must be CUPW exect.’s living off our dues. Enough already!!! Some of us just can’t afford this financial set back.
Exactly what cpc wants to hear and playing right into their hands. You could never be a negotiator as you’d give away the farm without even knowing it. It’s a game of chicken now, who will flinch first
You won’t win on DB pensions for new hires and weekend delivery. It’s ridiculous. You can remain unflinching as long as you want. And you completely disregarded your fellow members concerns over his/her financial situation. The mediator straight up said the negotiations are pointless right now, so CUPW members are out in the cold when the leadership isn’t even at the table!!!
We shall see
Stay out as long as you want. You’ll never get the money back that your losing and none of this is pensionable time. Merry Christmas.
thanks soup!
cant wait to see the look on your face when youre laid off and have return your leased Audi. tale as old as time
Cupw employees will be laid off first. They are the one who went on strike with their union.
guess who is next? you shoulda fought back when they got rid of edit books. read the writing on the wall. you can probably see it from your desk.
Doing layoff is part of life. I am not a slacker, so I am confident in my skills and I know I will get another job 🙂
You must be management. Unlike apoc… we don’t sell out future employees. Hows that DC pension treating ya?
nice. truth hurts
…and lets not forget those cost of living cheques that we have not been getting the last year since our contract expired. If that was part of our last contract we should expect compensation for that too am I wrong?
I believe cola is only triggered at the time of inflation that surpasses certain thresholds set in the collective agreement to the end of that current collective agreement. Then there is a reset and only would start again if new inflation surpassed the new margins agreed to in the new collective agreement.
Why does the government hate postal workers? If you hate us so much why don’t you just make changes and break the union and privatize. Why the fingering pointing and games. Fire us all c’mon bully.
Will the last one please turn off the lights
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Easy solution is get the minister to force a vote on cpcs last offer…when 95% of less than 40% of the membership voted its not valid in my opinion to give the union that mandate….if minister forced a monitered vote…this strike is over..FORCE A VOTER NOW!!!
You toss the term force around like it’s no big deal. The vast majority of us and Canadians for that matter don’t, wish to be forced to do anything. Stop trying to force your way
Mandate wont happen. It is the last strike before cons comes in and sell the company. That strike is all favorable to cpc on the long run.
Stop lying and deflecting and trying to deceive cpc. Everyone is slowly but surely catching on to your lies,misinformation and alternate reality pr campaign in your relentless crusade against your employees. You should all be ashamed as to the depths you will stoop trying to deflect and sway responsibility onto employees instead of admitting to incompetence as to to how to run a company. You’ve had a minimum of 7 years to see what was coming and yet you chose to ignore it all in pompous self absorbed know it all fashion that has only accomplished nothing other than driving the company down to its knees whilst padding yout greedy accounts with undeserved bonuses. You have no shame and are all morally bankrupt but your day of reckoning is near. We all wait in anticipation of your demise and being fully exposed when all comes to light
Fake News
I would take the 2nd global offer easy we are going to loose more in arbitration and customers every day more and more are switching there bills people will adjust to e-bills flyers will go electronically in form of aps carriers will have nothing to carry
https://www.cupw.ca/en/rally-canada-post-headquarters-let%E2%80%99s-tell-canada-post-negotiate-fair-collective-agreements
Lol, wasting time but at least it burns a bigger hole in CUPWs pockets.
They’ll come after us for loosing money by doubling our dues like they did last time on multiple pays, as well as raising our dues again. CUPW already raised our dues $5 during negotiations and as usual when we get a contract will raise them again for screwing us again. Congratulations CUPW you failed another negotiation, again over a year, you milked the membership to stay in a 5 star hotel over a year, you went to Cuba during negotiations to party and you come back and you will give us the same story CPC is not will to negotiate. Broken record all over is exactly what we expected to happen, nice touch throwing in the sex/gender surgery demand in negotiations without the membership knowing but getting exposed by the news and giving the public another reason why we should be privatized. 30+ years of failed negotiations, congrats on your losing streak and on our backs when you can’t even pay us strike pay either on time or at all.. Bunch of Goons and Tyrants
I wish CPC and CUPW were more focused on negotiating about the postal workers and not be involved pity squabbles.
As a postal worker, I wish they would get a deal done now.
I wish cpc had the slightest clue in what they were doing. They are exceptional at paying each other bonuses but that’s it. After that its crickets
CP stops your BS. You loose money because you waste all the money. Look around you and see how many useless people you hire at your management level.
I will never take your 11.5% increase over 4 yrs, no matter how long the strike goes on. Look at the inflation in last few yrs. Even 20% increase can’t match the inflation.
For whoever feeling the financial pressure during strike, go to do some part time jobs, like Uber, Lyft. there are a lot seasonal jobs during this time of the yr. Don’t let CP bully yourself anymore
From ChatGPT :
To evaluate whether an 11.5% raise over four years (starting January 2022) is fair compared to inflation in Canada, we can examine the inflation trends during this period:
Inflation Trends in Canada
• 2022: Inflation averaged 6.8%, peaking at 8.1% in June 2022【8】【9】.
• 2023: Inflation gradually decreased, averaging around 3.5% by year’s end【9】.
• 2024 (up to October): Inflation dropped closer to the Bank of Canada’s target, averaging 2.02% as of October 2024【9】.
Total Inflation from January 2022 to October 2024
Using cumulative inflation, the purchasing power of money has eroded by about 13%-15% over this period, based on monthly inflation trends【8】【9】.
Comparison with the 11.5% Raise
An 11.5% raise:
• Falls slightly below cumulative inflation: It doesn’t fully offset the decline in purchasing power, especially given the high inflation in 2022.
• Could be reasonable in a low-inflation environment: If inflation remains near the 2% target in 2025 and 2026, this raise might align more closely with long-term trends.
Fairness Depends on Context
1. Market Comparison: If other employers in the same industry or region offer similar or lower raises, this could be seen as fair.
2. Cost of Living Pressures: Employees may feel that a raise below inflation fails to maintain their standard of living, especially given sharp increases in costs like housing and groceries.
3. Employer’s Financial Health: The fairness of the raise also depends on the organization’s ability to sustain higher wages.
Conclusion
While the 11.5% raise is substantial compared to pre-pandemic norms, it slightly lags behind the cumulative inflation from 2022 to 2024, meaning employees’ real purchasing power may have decreased. A slightly higher raise (e.g., 13%-15%) would better match inflation trends over the same period.
Refreshing to read a comment that has thought and intellect. You are way too smart for canada post. Perhaps you can run for minister of labour in the next election. In that way we would not have this mess with canada post. Just a thought.
A computer AI wrote their comment. They are not some intelligent math wizard
You will be missed
Just about any outside entity doing work for cpc rips them off blind and they dont even know or care. From vehicles to building maintenance they pay way to much and get little or nothing in return other than multiple bills for the same repairs or services to be performed over and over. Look past blaming all your money woes on employees and look into your blindness as to what is actually going on all around you nation wide
If you think Canada Post pay is unfair and below living wage, I can’t WAIT for you to find out how much Uber and Lyft pay and what kind of benefits they offer. You’re in a for a rude awakening, my friend.
i already did it, and i can tell you I was making $35/hr while doing Uber drive, plus flexibility. of course, you have to drive smart to earn that money, not like you dump management sitting in the office without a brain. BTW, if dump management like you get paid 6 figures, CUPW members deserve the same or better
It seems like Canada Post workers forget that their clients are literally the ones paying their jobs, and right now they are seen as the problem in said client’s eyes.
A very large majority of people are angry to the point they are not going to be using Canada Post anymore for their small businesses or other parcels. It has affected too many Canadian’s life by this point, either small businesses, the average person’s Christmas gift deliveries and others.
I have yet to hear someone in person say they are happy Canada Post employees are on strike and deserve what they’re asking for…
Actually, I only hear negative comments about Canada Post’s services dropping off even prior to the strike, so it seems like this is just fuelling an existing fire for a lot of Canadians to the breaking point of never coming back.
I am telling you that I am VERY HAPPY that CUPW members are on strike. I don’t care that CP is not paying me right now as I can do some part jobs to make even more money. If CP is serious, offer better increase. 11.5% over 4 yr matches 1 yr inflation
Pay increase won’t really matter when layoffs happen from shortage of work.
Blah blah blah
I’m back to work with my old employer as well, and it’s been great seeing old faces, and getting caught up.
Could literally sit this one out for months. Can corporate?
Glad you landed on your feet. Stay there if your happy
Why did you leave your old employer then? Why not resign from cpc? Oh yeah we know whyyyyyy
Do you get better pension from your part time job? People will be crying back to CPC if there is a recession tomorrow….
Only crying is you and your overlords epic fail
Hey,
As a frontline worker, we have not forgotten the customers. We did not want go on strike, the CPC refused to negotiate a contract with us for more than 10 months. Our union representatives have tried talk to the corporation with no response for those many months.
It’s the CPC executives who have been stringing everyone along by not agreeing to increase our wages in line with other delivery services like UPS, FedEx, and even our counterpart Puralotor. It’s not only about the money, we are also negotiating about our health and safety and the amount of work so that we are not overburdened with the Separate Sort and Delivery (SSD).
For people who don’t know, SSD have longer routes and separates the letter carriers from the sortation of their routes. It’s easy to walk over 20 km/day. You easily surpass working 8 hours. Hence, you become overburdened.
Please be assured we want to go back to and serve our customers in the best possible way we can. As soon as we get back to work we will do our best to insure are satisfied with our services.
You don’t seem like you want to work actually. This is the job, take it or leave it I guess
Entitled employees
Nice try with the management fear mongering. Now stop playing around and pay us what we deserve. Your plan failed miserably like your trying to run the company
Canada Post raised the postage rates for everything earlier this year and still does not want to pay its workers a fair wage. Who is going to pocket that money?
They increase the postage because volume is going down… not as if they have same volume as previous years.
Raised the rates for everything? You are embarrassing yourself with this nonsense. Prices have been going down since 2023, except for stamps and advertising mail. Still not getting the results with the current shackles in labour.
That or they will forget all about it and go with the lowest cost, best service company like people always do. Customers are a fickle bunch. Just like employees and management.
Fake News
The longer this goes the need for weekend delivery will evaporate, business will be down so thanks cupw you screwed up again
So what youre saying is no need to worry about weekend delivery so problem.solved
CPC will always need weekend delivery regardless the outcome. All logistic companies do weekend deliveries and CPC needs it to be competitive again….
How many people would take the second offer now huh
We will never know as we did not have the option to VOTE ON IT!
I would say a hard no!
No need to vote. It’s not worth the paper it’s written on,
We will NEVER get the option to vote on an offer. Thats what you get for giving this union a strike mandate.
High union dues and we Picket for less than minimum wage.
Stop with the management interference. God you you guys unable to play fair because you’re losing terribly. Everyone is seeing through your bs storytelling
When we actually get something worth while to vote on then we will vote. Until then stop with your hysteria
I refuse to believe the members have given CUPW the strike mandate. The strike vote results could have easily been rigged as it was not administered and monitored by independent third parties.
On the other hand, I do believe that the members would have accepted the second global offer from the company if given a chance to vote on it, and there would not have been any need for a strike.
Tick tock
We need binding arbitration ASAP
The parties cannot agree on critical issues with the BEST mediator
Time to return to work , quit the BS and get back the public support we desperately need- horrible time to strike, I hope CUPW wasnt counting on the time of year to leverage a better deal, if they did, it sure blew up in our faces, as we are now the villians in this scenario
Easy solution- LET THE MEMBERSHIP VOTE! and not allow a small number of people decide for us!
Stop begging it’s a terrible look
Not begging- its a fact -utter ridiculousness, what a waste of a whole year
Let the union beg and hopefully cpc declines. The union started digging, let cpc dig deeper until cupw is gone.
Its time to get back to work and back to table and get a deal done. CP needs to be able to make a profit to pay us better and CUPW needs to worry about the current workers paying dues Today. We are in the parcel delivery business as the letter mail business is dying. The faster both sides get this in their heads , the quicker we can get back to work. We all need a living wage and to have security but if we kill the company we kill the jobs. Then we are all in same boat trying to get a job at Amazon. That doesn’t work for me or the rural customers who live outside the major centers. CP needs the workers but the workers also need CP to survive to have the job and get paid. Get back to the table and get it done for all our futures.
CUPW went on strike after CPC management no longer continued the terms of protection under the expired labour agreement.
With talks at a standstill as far as negotiations are concerned, no one is getting anywhere fast.
Today, the Labour Minister met with both parties at his office.
What should have happened was that the 2 parties should have agreed to go back to work under the previous agreement, and continued to negotiate.
They could have agreed to a 6-month trial of weekend delivery under the pay scale as directed by the previous agreement.
Perhaps while working together to continue serving Canadians in the way only we know how, and we do a phenomenal job, the 2 parties can finally come up with a mutual agreement…..
One more thing, communications to the press BY BOTH parties should be respectful.
We can get a deal done, it takes work….and compromise…..
You went on strike before the change of terms. Remember that, this was your plan
Oh please stop embarrassing yourself. You guys are losing badly and are now scrambling to do damage control. You say one thing and then do something different. We will all remember your cutting off benefits and std to those who need it most in your petty and vindictive crusade on employees. You made your bed and now you sleep and choke in it you tyrants
CUPW shuts down operations across the entire country based on a strike mandate from the employees, and you expect to CPC to pay for your orthotics to walk the picket line and your massage after your long day holding the line?
I’m sure your expect a signing bonus when this is done, too?
Your sense of entitlement is astounding.
Hey Kool-Aid!!
Where’s the unions financials? Haven’t seen an up to date report in ages. How come no one ever questions that
We are negotiating for a contract that’s for later day.
Pfffft. It’s never available.. why not? I want to know how much $$ is available in the defence fund it’s our right
All spent at burger king, wendy’s, mcdonalds and on slurpee drinks. SoliDoOtOrY
You can question them. You will never get an answer. $60 million a year in dues all waisted away !
It’s a lot more than $60 million, try $6.3 million a month in dues we pay, to over $72+ million a year. Unlimited money to the union executives and people waiting for strike pay still.. Way to go CUPW time to audit you and remove the executives that steal millions. An audit will reveal your spending and your fate..
Because webate on strike against cpc. Your too shortsighted to direct your energy where it’s needed against them instead of playing into cpc hand by bashing union
How many lives will be sacrificed before the babies in negotiations grow up and make a deal
Canada post. since 2018, we have “LOST” almost 3 billion dollars. 2017 annual report- net worth of company negative 354 million dollars. 2023 annual report – net worth of company of company POSITIVE 4.574 BILLION DOLLARS. You won’t see that in any CP news releases though….so don’t bother looking.
Just because you type in some numbers, it doesn’t make it real.
Canada Post’s equity (net worth as calculated by subtracting liabilities from assets) in 2017 was -$354 million, while in 2023 Canada Post’s equity was $4.574 billion, meaning an increase of $4.928 billion in 6 years, which is an average of over $821 million per year.
See page 63 of the 2017 annual report below, and page 111 of the 2023 annual report below that.
https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/doc/en/aboutus/financialreports/2017_ar_complete_en.pdf
https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/doc/en/aboutus/financialreports/2023-annual-financial-report.pdf
Having assets that appreciate in value doesn’t make you profitable. The land and buildings are not for sale so it’s irrelevant what they would fetch on the open market.
Always a smart answer for everything in attempt to deflect and sweep under the rug you and duog have not one iota what you’re doing
As a Crown Corporation public service, Canada Post is not supposed to be for profit. Much of the monies they are claiming as a “loss” are actual investments in corporate growth & sustainability…investment is not loss.
Kinda like the pension deficit BS from 2 contracts ago? Couldn’t give us a decent contact because if the company folded they couldn’t cover the 6 billion dollars in pension costs. All BS and everyone knows it. Now they have extra money in that fund but mums the word. Thieves? Yes. You know it. Corporate thieves so it’s ok. We ll call them white collar thieves and they can go to the nice jails.
Again, if I own my million dollar home out right but have a $3000 credit card bill and a car payment, am I in financial trouble or am I golden?
You would be golden, and probably in better financial shape than 90% of people in this country. Your car would be an asset worth at least as much as your loan on it, and a $3000 credit card payment would mean a balance owing of less than $100,000, meaning your net worth would be over $900,000. If your income didn’t allow you to pay that $3000 bill easily each month, then you may have to make some changes to how you live, perhaps recognize that a million dollar home isn’t necessary and purchasing it wasn’t the wisest decision, but you would not be in trouble.
Those are Canada post numbers so I guess they’re not real. Thanks for confirming.
Let the process play out as long as it takes. This Christmas is right off so might as well maximize what we are entitled to.
You must have a significant other that makes 6+ figures to support you. We are a 2 postie income family and while we are managing it., it can’t go on as long as it take. Lots of people are struggling and it’s beginning to get real as next pay approaches. I agree that we need a raise but at what expense?? 10% of our yearly salary in lost wages!! Never gain in a strike of this magnitude .. we will never catch up..
You can’t maximize anything anything if you’re sacrificing your earnings to get there. Down almost 4% this yr alone that’s without falling behind in our raise
No job???
The Corporation already has several ways to deliver parcels at straight-time rates that they are unwilling to utilize. These options have existed for years and include a detailed measurement system so that workers are not overburdened and are paid properly for the work they do. This is part of the reason we know what Canada Post is saying about its financial picture and that it can’t compete without major concessions from CUPW is misinformation. Their proposals make it clear that they do not care about health and safety, overburdening or paying a living wage.
Thanks for writing out the same drivel we have already seen.
Thanks for taking the time to read the truth again !!
thank you for taking the time to inform yourself !
Funny to read the comments and see so many people that won’t have a job worth working if CUPW caves to all Corp demands. If you are in APOC making comments know that your jobs are even less safe if some of these changes occur !!!
Cats. That’s the message. Cats. Lol….
Please explain how APOC jobs are ‘less safe?’ We would all love to hear your rationale on this.
Has anyone actually received CUPW strike pay yet ? It’s day 13 and we keep hearing different stories of why we HAVE NOT ….
Yup. And it was accurate and made convenient to pick up. No grievances were required!!!!
Your local pays you.
So how long are we going to be out for? CUPW wants to stand for future workers at the expense of current ones. When the future worker applies for the job, they should know what they are signing up for. If they are not happy with it, then keep on looking. There is no reason for current employees to suffer for the next generation. Who knows what the conditions will be then. We might ALL be replaced by AI by then.
THIS!!! truth.
You have to admit, it is pretty funny.
The nation’s ‘best’ mediator can’t even handle speaking with these folks.
Couldn’t leave both parties alone in the same room. And we wonder why “negotiations” didn’t go anywhere. We probably would have been better off putting the Hatfields and McCoys together to get a deal done.
That’s because cpc does not and never did have any intention of open and constructive negotiations. Their plan all along was to cry poor and mout a pr campaign against their mortal enemy, the employee and fo to arbitration in the hopesnof getting all cut down to the bone against us. Luckily their deception is being exposed as a mountain of lies and misinformation coupled with ineptitude as to how to run a company
Get rid of addressed admail or personalized mail as it is called now. Everything is first class. It takes the same amount of effort to deliver. No concession for large volume mailers.
That would definitely be getting rid of it. Just keep yourself busy looking for busted pallets and leave the business to the business people.
these business guys seem to have it all under control. it would be soo much easier to run this corporation without all these pesky delivery agents and plant workers
The business people aren’t telling you how to walk your route. Those are operations people, who see the bigger picture. Talking trash about the products with little knowledge is definitely not recommended.
Truth hurts doesn’t it. I can smell the sweat and fear coming off them from here
If you actually were business people with the slightest idea how to run a business i might oblige you. But the term business and your lack of knowing how to run one are light years apart
If you get rid admail and personalized mail, we’ll all be looking for new jobs since they won’t be scheduling for 8 hours 5 days a week. We’ll end up gig workers.
Neither side is listening and it only hurts the workers and customers more.
CPC management and CUPW executives in the negotiations are being paid. We have to settle $56.20 to stand outside in the picket line.
If I were PM in this country I would prohibit protests and strikes, they do nothing and only wreak economies, workers wallets, and in many cases bread violence
Thanks for your input, whatever this is
If I were pm of this country , I would mandate that a CEO can only make 10 times what they pay their lowest worker , adding all levels of renumeration including bonuses. Imagine how well things like raises for the worker would come then……
Well if he makes $450,000 he is making less than 10x you already and that is including the assumption of a bonus, which isn’t a guarantee m lm.
perhaps you would be better off not using “if” and assumptions and using actuals. I mean, “if” he was only making a bundle of roses every year, then they could pay all the employees in dandelions.
We know how much he makes. It’s no secret. It’s less than 10x your average wage
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Back to the 19th century.
Corporations kill good jobs because of their greed for excessive profits. Nothing wrong with making money, but when it becomes all about money, greed is the sole driver. The love of money is the root of all evil. And I cant think of one corporation or ceo that doesnt love money.
Could just as easily flip this to say:
Unions kill corporations because of their greed for excessive profits.
Bur profit leads to savings, which includes your evil looking after yourself pension plan.
Or union.
No profits since 2018. Not sure where this assumption of corporate greed comes from. I bet you filled your boots with overtime during that same period.
CPC is losing money. What do you mean by excessive profits or even the word profits?
Net debt is down by more than $4 billion since 2020. They didn’t pay off debt with stamps…
How do those numbers help us in any way against cpc?. Let me answer for you,it doesn’t. Stop attacking the union for now and attack those who would eliminate you and your job. When that is settled feel free to go after the union to your hearts content
35 years at this and never had I seen both parties agree on anything.
Always ended in back to work legislation.
Just let binding arbitration take care of things before it’s too late for us all.
We are losing business and frankly the public is pissed with us.
Strikes are a dying breed, times have change.
No union should have the right to strike in these hard economic times, we are lucky to even have a good paying job .
There is no binding arbitration coming. The union was secretly hoping for it, but it’s not happening
Binding arbitration not going save you CPC! Repent and change your ways…
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6576203
Canadians will realize that CPC is not important anymore. Bring on the decertification on the unions!
Same can be said for you and your demands. Should be interesting to see next week’s comments on here.
Get rid of Canada Post Management that’s what will save the corporation.
And have CUPW run it? They’d have us in the ground in two weeks🙄
depot ran fine when all 10 of our soups gave eachother covid
it was really nice
Let’s Go!!!
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2024/11/27/Amazon-workers-strike-20-countries-UNI-Global-Union/2731732719569/
Yes. lets go work there. Amazon is better than CPC right?
Give it a try and let us know LOL
unions have killed good jobs, CP jobs are next
BINDING ARBITRATION ✊🏾
Haha. Not this time pal. Gov. has more problems to deal with than to stick their nose in CPC’s trainwreck. WE GO BACK TO WORK WHEN WE GET WHAT WE WANT AND NOT ON SECOND BEFORE!
Ah yes, this must be the good faith bargaining we keep hearing about..
We want a fair deal. Negotiated. Period. No union would ever except draconian rollbacks and cuts.
Draconian rolebacks would be things like axing job security, actual wage decreases (not imaginary ones based on interest rates), loss of benfits (not a lack of increases in benefits). Get serious and stop being so entitled. Next think CUPW will be demanding is participation ribbons for all members who showed up for the strike.
That sounds a little threatening. Let’s stop with the games. We need to get back to work.
If CPC has created such a train wreck you better jump off now you won’t get what you think CUPW is going to get you!😂
Unions protect good jobs, you dolt. It’s corporations that are trying to pay the least for the most amount of work.
Where do you work? Because I only ever see the good workers working and the lazies crying and complaining…
That’s what unions SHOULD be doing, unfortunately not the case. They don’t protect the jobs, they protect the worst of the workers in those jobs. Why? Because most Union heads used to be those workers who needed protection.
They are trying to take benefits away from future retirees. They are trying to two tier the pension (which would eventually blow-up the defined benefit plan). These are unacceptable and ridiculous rollbacks that no union would ever agree to…and Canada Post knows this!!
That’s not how a DB plan works you don’t know what you are talking about
Ask the employees at Nortel how a db works.
I’d rather ask Nortel employees how their inability to adapt with the changing market place sunk them.
And a layoff can result in a recall back to work or permanent termination if enough work is not available. So as we keep on with the strike and the company keeps loosing money it’s possible that lay offs will become permanent.
Corporations kill good jobs because of their greed for excessive profits. Nothing wrong with making money, but when it becomes all about money, greed is the sole driver. The love of money is the root of all evil. And I cant think of one corporation or ceo that doesnt love money.
Fake News
I heard that all the union reps in BC are getting flown down to Vancouver and put up in a fancy hotel on our dime just so they can elect more paid union reps. Maybe we should go picket at the hotel where they are staying. Or maybe they could use that money to give us better strike pay.
Keep your eye on the ball. We need to fight the employer’s cutbacks first and foremost. Change and attack our union’s policies and wasteful spending once the fight against CPC is won…
Well said solidarity now later look back.
Wrong, we need to grow the parcel business. If we want to survive the next 20 years, we need to work together and figure out how we can put all of these packages in our trucks. More parcels=more revenue=better pay.
If you want CPC to evolve, you have to evolve with the very foundation of the company – the workers!
How can it evolve when CUPW is stuck in the 80s?
yeah, the 1880s.
Lol! Best comment of the day! 😂
we get personal loans because we will go on strike
after the news today, it’s clear management never wanted a negotiated settlement. as in 2011, and 2018, they banked on getting bailed out by the feds, only this time it’s not happening. there will be no arbitration.
it’s time to get back to the table, and finally start negotiating in good faith.
100%. No Arbitration means this can be solved in 1-hour. CPC and CUPW know the issues. Start with no rollbacks and end with some improvements. Done.
Why improvements? Why not just be happy with perfectly acceptable wages and benefits you already have?
table scraps !!
For the board of directors, not to lay off everybody in the entire company while the strike is going in is completely irresponsible.
I can understand the first week. Go ahead and waste a weeks worth of wages, for everybody doing nothing in the office, but at this point everybody in the entire company should be laid off until things are fully resolved.
Most of the other people have no layoff clauses in their contracts so that’s not going to happen. And if they did lay off everyone else, who would be here to welcome us back to work and give us our paychecks. Oh wait, there won’t be paychecks because there won’t be a post office after CUP-W kills all our jobs. Just let us vote on the last offer and be done with it.
You are in management so stop pretending to be one of us as if we want to vote. There has been NOTHING from cpc worth voting on so go away
That’s the problem. If any one of us has an actual opinion that differs from the nonsense the union keeps spewing out then we must be some management hack. Maybe I’m a union member who is really unhappy with the actions the union has taken and see that it is only damaging all of us. Just because I’m in the union doesn’t mean that I’m against the post office. Maybe stop being so positional.
You’re not alone thinking that way.
Not against Post office against the people running it.
agreed 👍🏻
Who cares if mgmt is on here…I don’t see CUPW having an open forum…why? We are expected to follow the leader and ask no questions
You don’t have a contract anymore. That ceased after your 72hr clause went into effect.
They can’t lay anyone off pal. Know the law.
They can lay off any CUPW or RSMC represented employee under the labour code because there isn’t a contract in effect right now. They can’t lay off other union or association represented employees if they have job security clauses in their contracts. They can lay off management due to the effects of a strike or lockout. Maybe you should learn the law, pal.
a lay-off of an employee shall not be deemed to be a termination of the employee’s employment by his employer where
(a) the lay-off is a result of a strike or lockout;
(b) the term of the lay-off is 12 months or less and the lay-off is mandatory pursuant to a minimum work guarantee in a collective agreement;
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(iii) the employee receives supplementary unemployment benefits, or
(iv) the employee would be entitled to supplementary unemployment benefits but is disqualified from receiving them pursuant to the Employment Insurance Act; or
(f) the term of the lay-off is more than three months but not more than 12 months and the employee, throughout the term of the lay-off, maintains recall rights pursuant to a collective agreement.
You need to back it up there Billy-Big-Rig. You voted to go on strike, as is your right. But to ask to have me laid off, nope. I’m in the Post Office every day doing my job. Dealing with customers who can’t get their passports, can’t get cheques, can’t send Christmas cards to anyone (oh yeah, and don’t forget about the kids who won’t be getting Santa letters this year). We’re sending MoneyGrams, issuing Money Orders, selling coins, selling stamps to the hopeful, dong re-directs, opening PO boxes and taking parcel returns. We’re also closing up customer complaints pre-strike that have nothing to do with our union, all the while covering your buttocks’ as we are team players (for the most part). It sucks that you are getting $56.20 a day, but again, not my fault. You should be embarrassed about your comment. I’d explain to you what that means, but there are not enough characters left to type, and I’m not convinced that you would understand it.
Well said. I am in a rural CPAA office. Our small businesses cannot send out their shipments to their customers and small businesses cannot mail their invoices to get payments mailed back to them. What about the even more remote places (fly in offices), how is the population obtaining basic necessities? Why is CUPW worried about future employees? We have had a two tiered pay scale and pension for years. Will there be future employees to worry about in a company that will be sold after next election?
Don’t you realize these strike/lockout actions are hurting everyone??
90% of the network is still operational. Canada Post does more than deliver letters and parcels. To assume everyone else is “doing nothing” demonstrates your lack of knowledge of the company’s scope. I don’t blame you, though. It’s HUGE, and not everything is communicated to everyone. I’m just saying this take is a bit silly.
Silly?? Is it silly that in CPAA offices we have to deal with the angry customers when delivery staff misdeliver and or lose mail and parcels? Is it silly that we are worried about our jobs since this strike has ruined the future of our jobs as well? Is it silly that during COVID we did not get the same protection from face to face interactions as delivery staff? Is it silly that CPAA has had a 2 tiered pay and benefit scale since 2016, a concession to ensure that future of all CPC employee job?? You are correct about the lack of communication and clearly you are in the same boat.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canada-post-union-are-too-far-apart-to-reach-a-deal-and-end-the-strike-labour-minister-1.7125166
“The special federal mediator has decided to temporarily suspend mediation between Canada Post and CUPW. After several intensive days of negotiation, his assessment is that parties remain too far apart on critical issues for mediation to be successful at this time.
This pause in mediation activities will hopefully permit the parties to reassess their positions and return to the bargaining table with renewed resolve.”
Special federal mediator is tired of this. He even needs a break.
Most likely had to go to the gym. All the food and goodie’s they serve.
After the news today, and seeing that those two knuckleheads are willing to wreck CP, it’s obvious that CP will no longer be a good job that will allow to workers to maintain their families, even after the strike is done, I can’t see CP survive as we know it for much longer… Time to for a job that can provide me with a powerful paycheque, enough is enough!
What a thrill it is to watch or listen to the minister of labor mediators ,cupw and cpc executives showing how intelligent they really are. Soon as I believe they have reached their Peakness of comedy relief they prove us wrong and bring it up a notch. I don’t believe I have laughed longer or harder at anything in my life. Keep bringing the laughter! I hope one day I can be as smart as all of you.
Finally a comment that expresses exactly how I feel and by someone also enjoying the time off. Have a great day I know I will!
Cupw position is CPC is a social service. Which means they want Government money.
Yes and I do not think CPC needs govt money. It does not make any sense for CPC to deliver packages literally for free (since CPC loses money every quarter) when they are from commercial customers. CPC should deliver only LM and NM volumes and we can call it social service.
Yes mail delivery only. 3 days a week with one set day a month to make sure the government cheques go out. All CMB delivery, no door to door and no parcels or packages. No junk mail. Mail goes to carriers pre-sorted by those expensive machines. Just straight mail delivery and then it can be a government funded public service. Sounds good to me. That would save on paying for sales people to drum up business, and let us cut all the overpaid executives. Just back to basics and let the private sector take care of everything else.
Hate to tell you but the large majority of need more than 3 days a week of work
very interesting concept, might work
Here is an economics professor’s take on this strike and the future of CPC. Hard facts: CPC is not as relevant as they think – so any union tactics to force CPC to “save the season” is likely to backfire! The Canadians will adapt and find another service provider, then all the CPC employees will have to do the same – find another employer.
https://www.cp24.com/video/2024/11/23/national-mail-service-on-hold-as-canada-post-strike-enters-second-week/
What an insightful take! The professor has predicted perfectly what is happening now with the negotiation. He is probably right again of what CPC will soon become. Hence the layoffs are starting now in preparation for the much smaller parcel post operation.
Canada post negooatotrs failed. Badly.
So talks have grind to a halt. One or both sides has failed to respond. Did the 2 sides ever meet face to face or was this all done from separate rooms with the mediator running back and forth. Good show of respect. Lots of comments about both sides acting like children. A lot of the frustration on here seems to come from the fact that we as employees have little to no control of the situation. Canada post and cupw are both to blame for this situation.
We all work for Canada Post. We should all have a common goal. Sure we will have disagreements and not always see eye to eye but we should all be on the same team. Sure doesn’t feel like we are. There is little to no chance of ever being successful if we are fighting each other instead of the competition. Where is the leadership? Their main purpose should be to bring everyone together to achieve success. Look at the big picture. Find common ground. We need customers and we need employees. Without one or the other there is no need for everyone else at Canada Post or the union. We as employees look to leadership for direction. Based on what I can tell leadership of cupw and Canada post is telling me I should be stubborn, self centered, inflexible, arrogant, close minded, combative, demanding, and disrespectful, amongst other things.
As an employee I can try to do the best job possible and create positive experiences for those around me. This might extend to 2 , 5 or 20 interactions a day. I look to our leadership to set the tone, lead by example and create the environment for success. They can influence 1000’s if not 10000’s or more. Eventually I become a product of my environment. If my environment is toxic, combative, and unfocused I will probably become the same. Doesn’t seem like a recipe for success. Seems like an environment that will get us to where we are now or even a worse place.
We all have choices. If I don’t like the pay, the benefits, the union dues, the hours, the working conditions, the direction or what ever I can choose to work somewhere else. I chose Canada Post.
So to the leaders of cupw and Canada post you have brought us to this point. 68000 employees and millions of Canadians are counting on you. Are you able to resolve this and move us forward or is the writing on the wall? Do you even care about your members, employees and customers? At least some unpaid time away from work has given time to think and decide if this is really something I want to be a part of. Or in reality that has been decided for me.
Great comment agree 100%
Very well said, 👏👏
So very well said!
Good overview of the problems and how we can work to get there
Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don’t criticize
What you can’t understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin’
Please get out of the new one
If you can’t lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin’
The five stages of grief after a loss – denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance
Minister must ask for resignations of CPC brass for allowing CPC to get to this point. Why didnt some brass pipe up 3-4yrs ago and ask why the losses are so big? Oh wait…they were given bonuses to keep mouths shut. Resignations, firings and forensic audit of CPC should be in the cards.
How about an audit of CUPW as well? Maybe then we would see how they spend our hard earned union dues.
I agree with that as well
no one anticipated the low cost delivery companies created by amazon taking our work when ajpc was built, business was booming at canada post, we didnt see the iceberg
So you want to play hardball Canads Post? Let’s rock! When we settle this in January it will be you that ends up on the street!
I don’t think you understand what you are saying. They will be fine, whoever they are…they have transferable skills, unlike you who have a specific talent that only fits the needs of one employer
Ouch that hurts.. truth hurts.. cupw employees can always work for amazon, ups, fedex and etc… where they will be paid more and have less benefits…
Gov not coming to save you this time CPC. Take ALL of the rollbacks OFF the table. We will NOT be taken advantage of again! Ever!!
Thank you !! Well said solidarity
Let it burn. I am good with that. CUPW members are the one suffering the most right now. Better for a change now than never!
Why worry about future employees when the longer this lasts, there won’t be any jobs for any of us
Don’t let them divide solidarity
So what does this mean?? Will there be jobs to come back to??
Probably by this time next year down 50% of workforce
The greed to have larger membership is showing. CUPW tries to represent all the groups that have noting in common, like LCs , RSMCs and internal PO4s and PO5s. In reality it i impossible to represent such diverse groups. they end u representing the future employees or RSMCs . The internal or group1 ,as they are called, have no clue when they will have their say in negotiations and why are they on strike. It’s all LCs or RSMCs I am not saying to hey don’t have issues, which they do bit why on earth internals have to fight for somebody else’s cause.
Not a big fan of the union, but they have to represent LCs and internal PO4s and PO5s. That was mandated by the CLRB years ago. The RSMCs are a different story. The union gave up our severance pay in contract talks so they could get the RSMCs into the union. Still tons of people unhappy about losing their severance pay.
Hahahahaha…..yeah right
Ordered Amazon Prime at 3PM yesterday and it gave me an option if I wanted delivery between 3-7 am today or 7-11am. Chose the latter and it just arrived.
Meanwhile we are fighting for 25 year FT guy to get 8 hours double time to card every item on a Saturday and go home in 3 hours with 16 hours pay instead of employ an abundance of part time flex workers that will be willing to do the job accordingly.
There is no carding of every item, customers will complain if that were the case and gps can pinpoint where each item is scanned. Easy way to get suspended for 5 days. If you were a letter carrier you would know this
Smart letter carriers know that you take a picture of the barcode on the parcel, scan it when you’re on the street in front of the persons house, and keep walking. Parcel and DNC never left the depot; LC takes the risk the home owner will get the notification on their phone and not complain.
😆my favourite trick!
Wow. No wonder cpc is losing business. Great job.
I can attest that there are lazy LCs that hand out cards instead of delivering parcels to the door. At least that is the case for the LC in my area. As recently as about two months ago, I was at home all day, and nobody came to my door. I later found a card in the CMB to let me know that I had to drive a KM away to the nearest postal outlet the next day to pick up the item. I didn’t bother to complain because I’m a fellow CUPW member too.
Shame on you canada post for making it seem like cupw has halted talks….canada post has not moved forward either…they are sitting back waiting for legislation.
Shame on all involved in this whole year of being able to get this done before the busiest time of year for our customers.
They aren’t able to get this done, that’s the whole point. They could’ve had a decade to negotiate and it wouldn’t have happened. 1 week 1 month 1 year 1 decade it’s all the same end result.
If you’ve been here less than a decade and you’re under 40 do yourself a huge favour and take this advice. Look for employment elsewhere. You have time. You’re young. You see what this place thinks of you. Find some motivation and pursue you’re calling. No one’s calling is the post office.
Previous CUPW members had many luxuries that no longer exist or will exist for you in the future.
I agree. If you’re not invested long term into the pension plan and been here less than ten years…. leave now. Find something new. While everyone is focused on this round of negotiations I shutter to think what the next round will be like in 3 or 4 years under a conservative government. It will be worse than 2011.
I feel for the members that haven’t been here long enough (2011) to know exactly how this was gonna turn out. There gonna starve us out. Don’t care about Black Friday. We will be back with 3-4 weeks and clean up the junk before Xmas.
The adults on here worked the OT or put money away knowing these 2 sides never get anything done at the table.
You hit the nail on the head Champ! 240 hours in the comp bank accrued mostly over the summer for this exact reason. Sacrificed my body and family time to do so as this was very predictable. Fight fight fight!
Let’s push this fight until 2025! I’d rather get fired or retire early instead of going back to SSD. Maybe if that happens the PO4’s can fill the role of LC. Yah right!
🤦♂️
There’s a lineup of people waiting to take your job!
People coming most seek management positions to count flyer that are over. Instead of correcting why they are over.
HAHA there’s no line up to be a carrier under SSD model for $25 an hour and crummy pension and benefits.
At half the wage! These guys don’t know how good they have it.
CUPW is fighting for employees who don’t exist yet, while the membership is out in the cold while the CUPW executives collect pay.
CUPW was probably banking on Black Friday and Christmas to hold CPC’s feet to the fire and get a deal done. Now the public has moved on to make other arrangements for Christmas, which makes you wonder what incentive does the corporation have to rush employees back to have very little work? Seems like CUPW strategy has backfired and now they are refusing to talk in hopes of being legislated back to work to save face with the members. I am not sure the government will get involved and the membership is growing more frustrated by the day. Focussed on the cleaners and the potential for part time employees is NOT a reason to strike and lose wage this time of year….
I think both sides have points (wages need to be higher) but the business model does need to change. Both sides need to meet in the middle before it is too late forever.
We are barely even relevant in the news, I guess we are starting to see how important we really are (or not).
Hoping for a resolution soon so we can all go back to normal and hopefully curb our business for the future for its younger employees.
Agreed. Business model needs to change to 7 days.
BUT NOT by creating a 2nd class employee with less bennefits, less of a pension and less pay.
Work together and find a way to do it with more full time positions.
Improve bennefits and pay. Simple.
GET BACK TO THE TABLE CUPW!!!!
I can appreciate your comments, but 7 days isn’t as simple if the sticking point is full time employees.
How do you do that? Most route holders do not want to work weekends, Canada Post does not want to pay overtime, and do we actually have enough volume to support 8 hour days for 7 days/week?
Either way it doesn’t matter what CUPW wants IMHO, Canada Post has determined it needs to make these changes and eventually people will need to get back to work. It’s all fun and games for the first 2-3 weeks then people get desperate. Canada Post probably planned this all along and now has massive leverage in my estimation. How much are members willing to sacrifice for future employees? Wether it’s DB pension or part time, I don’t think Canada Post is budging on that this time – they’ve wanted to remove DB from new hires since 2011. No other CP union has DB anymore, including management.
Yes agreed, the further it goes the less reason for the corporation to bend. The peak money is already gone….. To read CUPW site and see where they are focussing is beyond frustrating … why do they not have a message board on there site???? hard to even know what we are fighting for at this point .. it’s not 1990, it’s 2024. Everyone delivers parcels on weekends and email is pretty popular these days … this isn’t going well …
Nice that they don’t even respond to an email….
You make too much sense. That’s not allowed when talking about Canada Post or CUPW
As per CUPW’s latest negotiation update, contractors and cleaners are not being treated fairly, and we must fight for these non-members at all costs until they are. So what if they don’t pay dues or show up on the picket line, they’re our brothers and sisters!! Hold the line!! 🤦♂️
I’m surprised this hasn’t been brought up more. I couldn’t believe it when I read this!!
Concentrate on actual issues. Unionizing the cleaners just to increase the number or union dues they collect should not be anywhere near these negotiations.
They’ve already been unionized by CUPW. I think they want them part of our unit now just like the RSMC.
That is ridiculous. We pay union to support us not other marginalized workers. Just stop and fight for us first.
Stop hurt us Postal workers.
Please get us back to work.
. Not my brothers and sisters if they don’t pay dues or picket with us.
BTW, There is no line to hold since CUPW is all over the place in negotiations.
Just get us back to work first.
The cleaners are unionized just not with CUPW business
Good job CUPW members… Your union is caring for others and starving your own members from paychecks… Continue voting for this union to stay.
Why has there not been much talk about our bennefits plans???
Executives get much better extended bennefits than us. They have a different plan 51390.
Look into this at the bargaining table!!!
Because they’re executives. You are not.
We are ALL Canada Post employees.
What happened to “DO RIGHT BY OUR PEOPLE”???
What happened to caring about Health & Safety and Mental Health??
Should we not all have top tier extended medical???
What happened to DO RIGHT BY OUR PEOPLE?
WE are ALL employees at Canada Post.
Why would that matter?
All Canada Post employees should be treated the same in terms of our extended health.
VIA rail is a crown corporation, loses hundreds of millions of dollars a year, but yet is deemed an essential service. No one is questioning VIA rails existence or whether or not they should continue. The reason given is that VIA rail provides a necessary public service of public transportation nationwide. Our mandate still under the law ensures that we provide a necessary public service that allows delivery of postal services to all Canadians wherever they may be located in Canada. Our mandate of public services are extremely similar and requirement should not be viewed differently.
VIA rail is a public transportation service. You need people to buy tickets regardless of their status/work. For CPC, commercial companies give us packages and we deliver them. Is this still considered as a necessary public service? Free deliveries from commercial companies? I would understand about the LM and NM volume but it has been declining for years and will eventually go further down…
We still are required by law to deliver, in some cases, vital items to Canadians wherever they may live. Remote locations that no one else will deliver to and possibly only by air. That makes us a public service, that makes us essential, and that makes us a service that continues to be necessary and should not be
compromised.
CPC has not responded to CUPW last offer. There is no offer from the company. Who’s not wanting to talk?
Guarantee no pension changes for current or future members.
10% wage increase year one. 2% after that, or inflation rate – whatever is higher. In exchange for 10 year agreement to provide stability to CPC.
Give us the same extended bennefits plan that the executives get.
Make full time positions with 2 days being weekend route delivery and 3 weekdays being relief.
Keep full time Monday-Friday routes.
Restructure the routes volumes over 7 days delivery.
Merge all RSMC into Urban CA.
Back to work we go!
Great idea on paper but will never work. We could halve our pays and it wouldnt be enough Cpc is not interested in us,our demands or even the corporation itself. They want to burn all to the ground and start over. It’s obvious they don’t care about anything at all.
Again that makes too much sense for Canada Post and CUPW
Your comments mean nothing. You aren’t a negotiator and no one cares. We could all write what we think and tell the world we could solve it in a day.
I am 32 years with Canada Post what is CUPW not getting there are employees making much less income than CUPW! They were offered close to 12% but instead of looking at this from a Business point they are looking at this from greedy selfish point. Maybe down the road when there is no Canada Post left, the union can be proud of them selves. After all the leaders in the union are making a hefty end of years income but not the workers – get real CUPW. Take the offer of 12% and get back to work. Most of those people don’t want to be out of work. They are realistic with the 12% increase. Who the heck out there makes a 24% wage increase – think about that!
Here’s a question how can you halt negotiations when they weren’t going no where for over a year now? See you all in 2025
Please get us back to work!!!!!
Wont happen. CPC is intent on only burning it all down to the ground. We’ve been fooled my friends. While some seem more worried about decertifying cupw, cpc is killing the post office and screwing over canadians. Their intention all along
It saddens me that you actually believe this. I don’t know how you came to formulate these thoughts, but I assure you this is a complete fantasy. I get it, you’re angry, you want to direct that anger somewhere, but this type of fantasy projection and misinformation helps no one, including yourself. Please come back to earth.
As much as hate CPC right now. 👿
CUPW: The ball was in your court and you missed big time by not responding at all. It seems very juvenile. If you refuse to come up with a better solution, then you are fools. 🤡
Both sides of negotiations need to continue talks.
If neither sides can’t come up with better solutions, it might as well go direct to arbitration.
If after 12 months there’s little movement on both sides binding arbitration would be the most reasonable solution at this point to any outstanding issues.
i sense an election coming ever so closer
CPC should be applauded for taking a stand and not cave in to CUPW’s unreasonable demands. It would have been easy to just settle and get back to business, but doing so without the fundamental changes needed to the cost structure and the way we operate will doom this public institution. We don’t have the luxury of waiting another four years to make real changes. Contrary to what the union wants us to believe, CPC management is the one being responsible and accountable to us the workers and the Canadian public by making an effort to save the public postal service.
It doomed either way. Your way we nothing ever. This way maybe we get something until eventual disband. Obvious that’s all cpc cares about. They don’t give a crap about employees
Get ready to back to work buddies!
Cupw giving us less than minimum wage on the picket line is ok while they collect $60 million in dues per year? This union will never negotiate a contract because they aren’t capable. Please legislate us back to work
People who are educated will understand that if business doesn’t make money it can give lucrative salaries. Don’t like it leave.. but I doubt u will get a cushy job with benefits like this elsewhere with ur non skilled real work experience
Binding Arbitration now, and let’s all stop wasting our time here.
This reads like a bunch of bull. The latest Bulletins on the CUPW website state a much different version of events. It basically says CPC is taking a “take it or leave it” stance and refusing to talk about issues. Now CPC would have you believe CUPW doesn’t want to talk. CPCs bulletin reads like a script. CUPWs reads “matter of fact” and seems more credible. Betcha the Mediators are going to recommend the Labour Minister order everyone back to work in a week and a half. Sounds like bad faith bargaining if you ask many
Have you posties across Canada seen how our union operates.
TORONTO LOCAL 626 … pathetic…
Members support all those OLD DINOSAURS … for so many years… Region Office and National too … just to come into power … celebrated on our union dues … conventions … educationals … some of those with 45 years of sucking union dues
Cupw thought they were in the driver’s seat when they decided on full walkout thinking Canada Post would settle instead of losing black Friday and cyber Monday well if we still out after those dates we will be out for a lot longer since Canada Post probably thinking xmas is lost and no rush to have us come back in and pay us for standing around when there’s no mail
Canada post is considering its options to move negotiations forward….. translation…. please government give us back to work legislation. We dont know how to negotiate fairly.
Pretty soon 55000 cupw are going to be demanding that $56 a day regardless if they strike or not due to desperation. That war chest is gonna dry up real fast.
I smell a lock out coming.
How would that change anything?
Why would they do that, when CUPW went out first. Yes, CPC is not making any money and has lost customers. But its not having to pay wages and benefits right now so its saving some money. The War Chest will run dry soon.
But my question is all the years that CUPW didn’t have a full strike where did all the strike fund go?
Well, our local executives usually take Mondays and Fridays off for “union business”, All those “union business” days where the union is doing business for themselves and not with CPC, those are paid from union dues. Basically, the union dues fund the lavish lifestyles that the execs have become accustomed to. Don’t get me started on National, they don’t go to Tim’s, they go to Starbucks. Any money left over will feed the peasants on the sidewalk.
I would be nervous if I was a new supervisor or upper management right now. Sooner or later somebody will be held accountable for the state of CP. Even in a government service industry failure has its limits. The fat will come off alot easier from the top. My plant alone could easily do without the 10 new supervisors it has hired on in the last 2 years to replace nobody. Ten times $70,000. That’s alot of fat. It would not effect productivity in any way.
Looks like CUPW tactics have now backfired.boxing day and Christmas are now lost.by walking away from the table, your membership can kiss any future paycheques goodbye for the foreseeable future. No need to arbitrate now and doubtful that will ever happen.
I have read many comments. It blows my mind why people are letting the executives at cpc and cupw dictate your lives and keep you in limbo. They want you to feel nervous afraid scared. Stop it people. I like you have financial concerns. I let them all sweat on a continuous basis not the other way around!
Sounds Ike fear has set in at the ivory tower!
The corporation has no strength to negotiate on its own, the only ability they have is to stonewall and beg for the government to legislate us back to work.
Absolutely pathetic, weak behaviour.
Not going to happen. Public thinks we are a joke and could care less about us.
I think Canada post will be made an example of. Government can’t legislate the whole country, pretty soon you’ll have a civil uproar taking workers rights away from everyone and all industries. Sooner or later something needs to give. And who better to make that example against then us. The biggest corporation, most employees and a crown.. legislation needs to stop being used as a tool. And I think the governments are seeing this. Especially in the past year.
Both sides have most site of the goal and determined to get a victory instead of meeting in a middle place. Employees/public getting put on the back burner for corporate greed vs union battle, and no one looking out for what’s best.
The union is equally pathetic and continues to show weak behavior. There are 55000 postal workers trusting our union to negotiate fairly. I don’t believe it’s possible for them. Why did we give them control? Have we not learned from the past? What will it take for us to understand this will never change with CUPW when it comes to negotiations.
The union has stopped talking, seems like they are hoping for an intervention
True that!
Typical CPC management!
Typical union cancer culture. The host is already dead but they’re set in their ways to keep the status quo while other companies outperform and are eating their cakes.
Do they not see that if the company continues to hemorrhage money they’ll all lose their jobs? Guess they don’t care as long as they get their union dues
I could not have said it better!
Instead of being about negotiations it has turned into a CUPW basing forum. People pretending to be CUPW members come here and ruin it for everybody. Don’t have anything better to say just stay away. I will shut up and never come here again. Promise.
Didnt know the internet was for certain people only.
The company is called Canada Post, not the Canadian Union of Postal Workers. We all get a say on here and will call it like it is. Nobody is pretending to be CUPW…
I agree, I didn’t even know what the union was when I started at Canada Post.. like for months into working there. And I always say, I work for Canada Post.. they sign the cheques, I don’t work for CUPW.
I even asked my superintendent if there was a way for me to work there and not be part of the union, I don’t want to pay monthly dues, I don’t need their representation either.
We need more people to understand this like you and I do. I too know who signs my pay cheque and I also know where the door is if I want to leave. The only thing the company owes me is my pay cheque, and they have never not payed me.
You are welcome to leave and never come back.
Nobody is faking to be union members here.
We are angry at both the CPC and CUPW for not agreeing on our contract.
The CUPW NEB President and executives have not been as straightforward with us union members. They have not focused solely on our best interests without being distracted by other issues, e.g., full-time for contract cleaners (who are not members of CUPW), the ongoing discussion of raising union dues, the ongoing waste of money collected from union dues ,and various leftist social causes that union members did not sign up for, etc.
We have been fed up with the lack of urgency to get the collective agreement done. Why on earth could a strike not be called sooner like in September and October which would’ve been less disruptive to our customers, our families and ourselves?
As CUPW member, I disappointed by the amount time it has taken to get a contract agreement by both the CPC and CUPW. There was over 10 months to a year to get a deal done. Now, many of us are considering getting another job since no income is coming in to pay our bills, food, shelter, utilities, everyday essentials for our families and fuel for transportation.
All we want is a deal now in order to save Christmas for everyone in Canada.
Well said.
Why is there no comment section on CUPW website to discuss negotiations?
They won’t even put one up since they would not want to get their feelings hurt.😢
Twitter
I think by doing that it would blow up the server with all the comments. LOL
CUPW is bargaining like it’s 1985, CPC is trying to run a company like it’s 2025. Are we surprised this isn’t going anywhere?
More like cpc trying to run a company like 1925
LOL this makes no sense… I dare you to explain
CPC is a crown corporation, it is NOT suppose to turn a profit…it is about serving communities.
How can you run a company when you don’t make any money? How do you invest for the future services when you’re broke? They should always make a bit and then every ones job would be secure.
Why is VIA rail deemed an essential service and allowed to lose hundreds of millions a year and no one bats an eye.
I wonder… if CPC is not suppose to turn a profit, where is our salary coming from? Money trees?
If you don’t know how we’re paid by now you shouldn’t be working for CP
Wrong! If amazon sends us packages, should we be delivering them for free since it is about serving community? LM and NM is already going down…. CPC is not that essential compared to old days.
No, it is required by law to turn a profit.
Exactly!!!
Thanks man, it’s not supposed to lose money either. Being self sustaining means it can and should be able to run like a business, not some government plaything. They can’t restrict change and neither should the union.
Without profit to reinvest into the company, how do you expect CPC to pay for new equipment or future repairs, or adding new facilities to meet the recent population boom? Also profit is essential to provide a cash flow cushion during hard times. Borrowing fund is an option, but it will be a debt spiral without profit to ever pay off the loans.
I agree 💯 %
You say the employer hasn’t been bargaining in good faith for the last year; where the corporate culture is based on revenge and retaliation. SHOCKING!
As usual, the company keeps saying “needed flexibility” without being honest about what they really want. Cuts to wages, benefits, pensions and hours an employee needs to work to survive. What union on the planet would EVER agree to these demands? Management needs to give their heads a shake. Remember the last contract where the company asked for no cutbacks (for once in their lives), and gave a small raise? Immediately accepted with no disruption and wasted time. It’s almost like they hated not having to have a labour disruption or something.
How is an 11.5% wage increase cutting wages?
Have you heard about inflation? There was around 12% inflation over the two years of the last contract. 11.5% would just about make up for that if we got it right away. In four years, we’ll probably have lost another 12%.
Good, then we are even. How much extra money did you make over the last 4 years? I can just imagine. You are losing percentage points the longer you drag this out as well. Keep that in mind
Maybe you haven’t heard. The company wants the new employees to have lower wages, benefits and a change in pension. What do you think is going on?
The first sensible thing said here
Flexibility is a very vague term and open to interpretation. Yet they scratch their heads if we dare ask for what we deserve and offer nothing worthwhile in return. So much for urgently striving to avoid labor disruption. You say one thing CPC, but your actions are totally different.
There’s no cut to wages, benefits or pensions. They are adding delivery days, so how exactly is that cutting hours? Get educated or get out of the way.
Loving the time off. I can’t be the only one. I’m shocked by how many people are unaware of exactly where and who we work for. Let it all play out, who cares life goes on. It will all work out!
I hope that’s the case, that it gets resolved quickly. Getting paid for full-time while only working part-time is great, but even so, people still complain. We need back to work as soon as possible! I need pay my bills and have peace in my mind.
Cupw heads cannot do simple math this is unsustainable I agree they should get their wage demands but give what cpc really wants which is changes to delivery model but no sadly this is who you all put in power to represent
CPC’s changes in delivery model won’t stop their continuing losses. A systemic change in management is needed. They continue to lose money because of poor management decisions like hiring more supervisors, superintendents, and managers. There are so many of them they stand around talking and joking out loud on the floor. They walk around in groups of 4! Management also decides to call overtime and casuals when there’s no mail to process. This mismanagement and waste is causing massive losses. Then there’s the fallacy of trying to compete against for profit companies that treat employees like slaves. They only deliver to high profit urban areas, and outsource rural area to CPC, who are mandated by the Canadian Government to deliver across the country. Trying to compete against these cutthroat corporations is like fighting on one leg and with only one hand. CPC has to decide if they’re a service to Canadians, or a for profit company.
Bad outcome.
Binding arbitration which we were able to get with rotating strike without this mess.
They will give us one or two years contract and during that time change the mandate in parliament.
Long gone CP that we know of.
If you’re talking about 2018, it started with rotating strike, then a full on lockout by CPC. Then came binding arbitration. The federal government at the time had a majority in parliament and didn’t mind legislating us back to work. That doesn’t seem to be the case this time.
There was no lockout in 2018. You are confusing yourself with the other half dozen disruptions over the last fifty years.
True that
We need back to work legislation ASAP
Heck NO! Let’s push this to the New Year!
New year??!! Give your head a shake. You maybe independently wealthy but for most of us we have bills to pay and need to get our meds. How about you stay home until next year while the rest of us get back to work.
Sure push it to 2026 for all we care. All other shipping companies will take over. CPC will no longer be needed as businesses adjust and get comfortable with other companies and never return
Not happening-sing to trudeau to not get involved or he will throw the government.cupw is now in it for the long haul
We need to appreciate what the union is doing for us , we’re fighting with a Corporation and Government that doesn’t fight fair, We need to stick together, We stand together and we Win.
Solidarity
This is on you Canada Post, not the union/workers
Yeah that’s what our union tried to tell us too then we got cold and tired and got nothing for the weeks on the picket line oh and then they contracted out our work sorry no one wins in a strike
what ARE they actually doing?? both parties are acting like SPOILED BRATS. change is necessary and beneficial. i guess brains are optional.
i want to know EXACTLY what percentage of the membership voted for this absolute gong show!
The problem is, most didn’t bother to vote and this is what you get.
Because CUPW always fights fair? Throwing all CUPW members on the sidewalk is pretty unfair to me, could have done a rotating strike to keep people getting paid.
You guys would have loved that. Not this time. Full strike nationwide bring corp to its knees like they been doing to employees this last year
Last time we went on rotating strike, management decided to lock us out. So why bother? A full strike is the same as a lockout.
Solidarity!
Talks never grind to a halt. Canada Post keeps pressing for unrealistic rollbacks that they know no union could ever accept. Canada Post is run by petulant cowards with no business savvy. MAKE SOME MONEY and leave us workers, our pension and pay, alone!
Make some money? When Amazon took all the business? You want to deliver packages all day for minimum wage ?
I would like an update of exactly what CP is offering us and an update of everything the union is stalling on and the reason why. This strike is hurting all Canadians in one way or another and especially at christmas time. With over 50 years of service with CP, I am truly ashamed to have to be on the picket line but I have no choice.I have bills to pay and if I don’t pay on time my credit rating is shot for years..People are afraid of loosing their homes, cars and with no pay coming on Dec. 5th, what are people to do?? Anger and desperation are setting in fast. GET US BACK TO WORK NO MATTER WHAT IT TAKES
Dont worry when CUPW runs out of money to pay picketers they’ll end the strike.
You’re funny
Sad but true. CUPW supposedly paying full pay on members.
Pay or no pay. There will still be plenty of picketers.
They’ll just borrow money from other unions and pay back later
CP is offering to use cheap labour, forever part-time employees, and casuals, to push as many parcels as humanly possible through the system on Sat-Sun. Then, when if they succeed in doing this, they will make the routes twice as long, go 3-days a week (again PT), and eventually have the majority of work being done by contractors, casuals, and permanent weekend lumpers. CP doesn’t want to negotiate — they wish to dictate Amazon-like working conditions. WE FIGHT!!!
I would like to know exactly what CP is offering us and what exactly the union is stalling on and why.PEOPLE NEED TO GET BACK TO WORK SO PLEASE DO WHAT IS NECESSARY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN
You have worked at Canada Post for 50 years (excellent wages and benefits) and you don’t have any money saved up for a rainy day?? WOW.
That’s all I could get out of that post too. Holy moly. Apparently we really need a big raise. I mean a REALLY big raise.
You have been working at CPC for over 50 years and missing 1 paycheque is going to cripple you? Now I’ve heard it all, wow!
You mean losing wen you say loosing but that’s wat 50 years at Canada Post does to you.
I’m so sorry I’ve been where you are it feels very helpless
50 yrs, retire already
NO ROLLBACK!!!!!!!!
Haha
Last time we lost a signing bonus, lost flyer pay, and our wages increase was less then what CP was offering us initially … so don’t come with your no Rollbacks! We want to go back to work.
Flyer pay is still paid. Signing bonus? Are you serious? BTW the last CA was legislated by the Conservative government at the time and had nothing to do with CPC negotiations
Ya still getting paid for flyers… You know what I meant
Why are you so deflated then?. How can we loose more than basically the nothing which is what they’ve offered?
I agree! We will lose again, like we always do. We, the workers, not CUPW execs, they won’t lose a thing. They’ll just keep collecting our dues, than off on another “conference ” on our dime. Thank you
Well sucks for CUPW members. They could of gotten paid with decent OT and yet they are picketing with no end in sight. All other unions and exempt employees are still getting paid irrelevant of if you strike or not.
We fight for the future — we fight for all. A few more months of striking and we shall declare victory!
I appreciate what they are doing, but they are messing it up! We need to back work and pay the bills at the end of the month. Unless you have a lot of money ?and it doesn’t matter to you.?
The prepared members started saving up months ago when the union advised us to. I did this on top of my usual emergency savings. So yes, let’s fight for a better contract and not sacrifice the future by settling for less (claw backs) now.
Cpc would like to thank you and support your promoting and advocating union decertification and will help in any possible way to remove the nasty uneeded yucky union and promise to treat you all nicely and fairly! Honest
Looking for a new job….
Good luck… and good riddance!
Apply to amazon, you’ll fit right in!
I know I can’t be the only employee surprised and shocked by this outcome…….
Since become a postie I have been critical of the union and CPC. But after going through four or five strikes I don’t think I’ve ever seen the union walk away and refuse to negotiate. I guess I have something new to complain about…
How do you feel about the company waiting 10 months to even make a wage offer, and also refusing to respond to union issues?
Yeah, and now CPC management is telling you they urgently want to resolve this dispute! LOL!!!!
You actually believe what’s posted by management? The union didn’t walk away. Still waiting for management to actually negotiate, not dictate
Your union did walk away…. both did actually soo…
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6576203
“Union walks away”… yeah, and CPC management has a bridge they’d like to sell you too! Don’t believe most of what they tell you!
I want to personally thank all though who voted in favour of a strike, to cut my wages and allow me to defe payments on my house just to end up with less in the end. Now the future of job my career and my mental health are suffering.
You’re welcome!
100% of the management team are full time!
Let’s have a little flexibility here maybe
That’s not true in my workplace,we have part time supervisors
Excellent point. Yes, get some flex supervisors. The majority of their labour is just make work projects. Arts & crafts, glue sticks. It feels like we have doubled our supervision. What has it yielded, not very much. According to them we’re losing money hand over fist. So what did this increase supervision bring? Cut cut cut. It’s time.
Canada post is truly setting it up to fail. 2 Superintendents in every building working against each other and hiring countless supervisors for what? And offloading business to Purolator.
100% flexibility for management! All of them should be casual on call contractors. Fire them anytime for any reason. No benefits, no pension.
So is the National Executive Board, whose salary and pension we fund with our union dues.
Time for CP to pony up
If they have their way will be working for minimum wage
Min wage working 80 hour weeks
You do realize that minimum wage (ontario) is around $17/hr. While a brand new Article 44/P04 makes 21.80/hr. That doesnt even include shift premiums or OT opportunities. If your so unhappy with your current situation you are more than welcome to join the private sector and see how much you would get paid.
They should go to amazon where they will be treated better……. (to their point of view)
“competitive” wage offer of 11.5%, as all other courier companies have eclipsed you and offer their delivery personnel significantly more.
if this does go to arbitration, the arbiter will look at industry pay-scale, which is in line with the wage the union is proposing.
you’ve been riding free for six years on the backs of your frontline workers. you’re cooked.
You have not been around very long have you?
In a just and fair world I would agree your assessment is valid and likely the obvious outcome. However with cpc dripping poison in mediator/arbitrtors ears in their neverending war against their enemies, employees, Im not so sure it will happen. Sad we can’t even have faith in a system that should be right and just because it’s so clouded with cpc malicious and vindictive misinformation and alternate realities.
Here here!
What does this even mean???
Us workers have to continue to picket for them to grind to a halt???? So can we say ok we are good, if your grinding to a halt we can go back to work instead of holding us hostage??
What is a “delivery team?” It’s just straight up fact that your contractual obligation are for 76% full time employees and you are barely meeting that. It’s not surprising that CUPW won’t respond as you still haven’t meaningfully responded to their counter offer from, what, 3 weeks ago?
Delivery team: migrant workers or foreign students paid little or nothing to further enrich the pockets of corporation board members by increasing bonus amounts to ever higher ranges
Merry xmas Canada and a happy new year maybe thanks guys
Maybe just got replaced with “not”.
In my personal opinion, if the corporation didn’t come in with an incredibly low wage offer last minute but instead, offered something along the 20% range over 4 years, 6 months ago. Maybe we could have avoided the strike mandate vote altogether. You can blame Canada Post’s negotiators for that one. The membership is now infuriated instead.
EXACTLY!!!
CPC management wanted to show their contempt for CUPW employees by waiting until almost peak season before low balling us. Then gaslight us by telling us they want to “urgently resolve this dispute” and blaming the union for the delays and disruption of service!
Time to go Back to work! Those 95% of 5000 people that voted don’t represent all of us!
Hey SuperLC…it’s 55000 not 5000. So you think the minority opinion should hold sway?
WE NEED BACK TO WORK! We are loosing business and many workers will soon not be able to pay for their bills!
Then go find other work. I hear amazon is hiring temp xmas workers. I prefer the picket line to amazon like work conditions offered by CPC management.
SuperLC is referring to the low vote turnout. Not how many people are in the union.
What’s the point in voting. The union administers the vote, they count it (or so they say) they destroy the votes that were cast and then they announce the results. All this without any independent oversight. I for one do not trust them.
You should have had more people to vote. You might have had no time maybe working another job? Canada post stalled negotiations for about 18 months we should have had a deal before the last one expired.
No all they know is stall and bully.
Yup, you got that right!!!
We had close to 80% turn out in our city. RSMCs unanimously voted to strike.
Here comes being legislated back to work and get less than what CPC offered us last. Thanks for screwing us again CUPW. What a joke our union has become
Then quit and go work elsewhere.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, Send us back to work, tired of all of this!!
You should have saved up. CUPW also had a link to local financial assistance. I’m wiling to continue picketing.
I’ve been Employed for 34 years and not once have we ever received a fair and negotiated contract before it expires. CPC is not a good employer that cares about its employees or their well being.
Hoping for a settlement.
And yet you still work here??😂
How about agree to extend this contract for another 2 years with a 9 percent raise per year and start negotiations for the next one starting Monday have a year to figure it out. Quit while your ahead both sides. Take a year figure it out have a year to fight over what’s for catering lunches and steak dinners
LOL!!! CPC management would NEVER offer such generous raises!
EXACTLY what I was thinking! You’re a real piece of work 34 year employee.
What a joke. We need live stream of negotiations. blaming each other solved any problems yet??
Putting my retirement papers in, I know this is what you want CPC. You win, reduced pension and early retirement for me. Take care all!
Good luck and take care! I’m thinking about early retirement too. I foolishly thought things would get better, and bought into management lies. Now I’m close to being able to retire early, so I’ll stick it out a couple more years.
Here it is. It now officially becomes a waiting game for government to step in and arbitrate a contract lower than what was initially offered by CPC. Hundreds of lost clients, millions of angry Canadians and thousands of CPC employees missing 2 weeks or more in pay. Well done everyone! Bet CUPW will still have a nice Christmas despite all this smh.
News flash: current government is in a minority parliament. Election is guaranteed to be in less than a year!
How do we apply for the Full Janitor positions ?
Seems our union is more worried about their situation than ours! Nothing in the last update adressed our situation just our contractors.
You don’t. Those are contract positions. Don’t believe what you hear or read from CPC.
So another week and half then back to work.
Maybe… maybe not.
2 words will fix this mess- BINDING ARBITRATION!
Not a good outcome, but a necessary one
“FIX” ~ sure 🤦🏼♂️
No, that would just kick the can down the road for the next contract negotiations.
“However, after not responding over the past several days, CUPW has just informed us, through the special mediator, that it will not be responding at all.”
CUPW representatives acting like 10 year old kids throwing a tantrum when they don’t get what they want. LOL.
Time for change.
CUPW is acting like we are willing to go homeless with our families for the sake of most of their unrealistic demands!
Their new union
https://gigworkersunited.ca/about.html
Dream on We’re all gonna be broke .. no money. No job. No union willing to negotiate for all. Remember we had part time weekend job 30 years ago. Besides if someone wants 1 day a week job. So what CUPW you’ll still take dues gladly. 🙄. Shouldn’t be involved with two separate parties. Urban RSMC If we are not the same. Join as one. Bid in order of seniority. Walk in our shoes RSMC s. Drive a postal truck You want what we have. Be one of us too. 🙏👍🏻
So you believe everything the Corp writes in these bulletins?
and where is cupw post to defend that? Still waiting for it…
Me too! Radio silence
agreed. Union crybabies