CUPW Negotiations: Canada Post presents comprehensive framework to reignite talks and reach agreements
December 1, 2024, 04:06 pm
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In an effort to move talks forward, Canada Post earlier today presented the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) with a comprehensive framework for reaching negotiated agreements. The framework includes proposals to bring greater flexibility to the Corporation’s delivery model, while also demonstrating movement on other key issues. It is our hope that these proposals will reignite discussions and, together with the support of mediators, help the parties work toward final agreements. To facilitate talks, we will not be providing further details outside the negotiations process at this time.
We understand the impact CUPW’s national strike is having on your business, our employees and so many Canadians. Canada Post remains committed to negotiating new collective agreements that will provide the certainty everyone is looking for.
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CUPW Urban
Enough is enough with the games CUPW is playing, most of you better understand SSD was lost in arbitration already, so why are they talking about it again if they’re not stalling..Wake up..
https://www.cupw.ca/en/separate-sort-and-delivery-%E2%80%93-national-grievance-rejected
Also why is the union talking about Postal Banking again..? It win not make profits and the union is looking to line their pockets with this BS. Now we have the union demanding EV Chargers (Electric Vehicle Chargers) why is that in our demands..? Because the union wants to profit, it has nothing to do with the membership so the usual BS from CUPW fighting for us again.
The union has to allow weekend delivery, that’s the future to sustain the cost office, put a clause in the contract saying it will be evaluated after it’s been out in place, not leave in the cold with no contract because of this, CUPW being Narcissistic and trying to control it, when the Post office will do what they want anyways. The negotiations should be about Wages, Benefits and Pension, not about future employees who don’t have a job yet, we have tons of casuals and Part timers waiting for status and full time if that’s even available anymore. CUPW trying to bring in Gig workers, in other words scabs so they can collect from them when post office hires them for minimum wage, the union is doing this for themselves, they must all resign and step down for these illegal practices which has nothing to do with us. People still waiting on first pay like are you kidding me now..? Enough is enough, we’ve lost business, faith in the public for the games CUPW plays when they go to Cuba during negotiations, priority is negotiations not trips and partying like they do. Get this done then we should hold CUPW accountable for our losses while they get full pay. Enough is enough, we want to work, you don’t support solidarity in anyway so stop the BS..
With all due respect, you seem grossly misinformed about weekend deliveries. CUPW has not opposed weekend delivery; there are already clauses in the collective agreement that provide for it that CPC has chosen not to implement.
It is the employer that wants that work to go to gig workers (i.e. on-calls like myself), not the union, which wants the clauses that require permanent positions (full and part time) to be created for regular weekend deliveries to be respected. I know what I signed up for in choosing to remain on-call – to cover absences and to supplement the permanent workforce during peak periods. I did not sign up for being forced to work on weekends to maintain my acceptance rate while taking jobs away from permanent employees who want those positions.
You mentioned that we have tons of casuals waiting for status; CPC’s moves to reduce the number of permanent positions (whether by eliminating existing ones or using gig work to avoid creating new ones) reduce the pool of available openings for my on-call colleagues who want to apply for permanency. CPC’s position on this is simply a blatant move to shift its workforce from good full and part-time jobs with benefits to gig workers with no benefits and often with the minimum rights required by law.
As for SSD, as an operational model it is indeed a “droit de gérance,” but that doesn’t change the fact that it is a dismal failure, and a fair bit of its fallout is harmful to workers’ health and safety; the union does indeed have something to say about that, and those issues must be dealt with.
If you want to say that the operational and logistical problems it causes, like inherently delaying the delivery of several categories of mail by at least a day, are management’s problem and none of our business, fair enough. Except that Canada Post belongs to all Canadians and should be striving to provide the best service possible. To do that requires treating the workforce like partners, not adversaries.
The CEO is running it like he is still in the private sector, where it seems he didn’t quite make the grade as CEO.
SSD has been active in Montreal for a year, it’s not going away and if it was health concerns they would’ve raised those concerns then, not during negotiations. Big difference
Those concerns have been raised in depots where it has been implemented. CPC has ignored those concerns, which is why CUPW is asking for further implementation to be put on hold until the issues are addressed.
Karma never loses
Is there any comment that hasn’t been made in the last 4 weeks by anybody that can go in this spot.
When I think of a comment I’ll put it in this spot.
I made lots of comments not put up because the moderators at Canada Post are trying to control the narrative.
They put all the CUPW comments but try to block the negative ones about the executives at Canada Post.
None of my comments are posted
Canada Post,
The ball is in your court. If you don’t want to look stupid and pathetic, you better agree to CUPW counter proposal and get your postal workers back to work.
By continuing the strike, Canada Post looks unreliable to Canadians and customers. Great way to build a business don’t you think?🤔
They’ve already responded with their own offer. Not happening
And CUPW is looking smart?! Uh huh! They’ll get us the BEST CONTRACT EVER! NOT!
Do you think cpc has anything to lose? They pay your wage.
It’s the union that people are hating not Canada post. The timing of your strike was fine internationally to hurt the most amount of people. So if it’s sympathy your after there odd none.
CANADA POST HAS NO DESIRE TO NEGOTIATE OR THEY WOULD HAVE RESPONDED 8 hrs ago instead of waiting with their briefcases as they went home to the cabins for the weekends. They are counting on the govt to force a contract to cupw. This completely shows it
Try readding CUPW site before writing fake news
Well that’s sucks.. Reading the CUPW bulletin dec 6, pretty sure they need another week to settle a negotiation. 550 pages collective agreement is not easy eh? We are all out in the cold for Christ sake..
The truth is the two sides are close on most parts of the agreement, including wages and pensions. If CUPW and Canada Post wanted to, they could settle and sign off on everything they agree on, and let us get back to work. Then they could send the things they don’t agree on; like weekend work and SSD to arbitration. I know that requires both sides to be reasonable and work all weekend, so I’m not holding my breath.
They lost SSD in arbitration, you guys are so misinformed spreading fake information. Union is stalling for time with the Postal Banking and now EV Chargers BS.. SSD is here to stay, CUPW is a nothing but a losing cause and holding us and Canadians and small businesses hostage, they need to all resign now for falsifying demands to benefit themselves only to claim they’re helping the membership
https://www.cupw.ca/en/separate-sort-and-delivery-%E2%80%93-national-grievance-rejected
https://www.cupw.ca/en/separate-sort-and-delivery-%E2%80%93-national-grievance-rejected
I would agree that both sides should consider a temporary ceasefire so we can get back to work (under the existing collective agreement) and get the mail rolling during peak season while they work out remaining differences, with the proviso that strike/lockout action could resume if this is not settled by sometime in January.
That said, complex issues like weekend deliveries and SSD have to be worked out at the bargaining table by those with the knowledge to do so on both sides; arbitrators cannot be expected to be experts on the operational and staffing logistics that are major factors in these issues.
Only on issues where both sides agree to go to binding arbitration should there be any at any time.
Does anyone else wish there was more of a sense of urgency between the two parties?
Hello !!!!! Let’s get this done !
Lawyers. Yea right! Good One.
Totally Agree!!! It seems that when they just keep adding different groups to the contract, the negotiations drag out due to the different issues and the sheer amount of demands. Now they want to make it even more by adding RSMC to the Urban. These two contracts should have never been negotiated at the same time. Now everyone suffers.
Exactly,a typical CUPW tactic bringing RSMC’s in and giving them everything while we get nothing again, this is the 3rd contract negotiation they’ve done this to us. As well CUPW keep adding more to our demands, pure proof that they’re stalling and delaying us from getting a contract. None of us are making our pay because we’re outside and the union making full pay and not even paying people on time.. This is a joke and the public looks at us in the same way.
From cupw – Canada Post has given the Union documents late Friday, requiring the Union to work through the evenings, nights and weekend while they go home with their full pay. I’m sure I’m not the only one feeling bad for them. Hey wait, why don’t we get some part time negotiators to work 8 hours on the weekend and resolve this so we would all be back at work for Monday.
Not sure if you’re being sarcastic, but of course the union should work through the weekend responding to Canada Post’s latest proposal. This nonsense has gone on long enough and everyone wants to get back to work. If the CUPW and Canada Post negotiators want to act like adults, they actually could meet at any time, even without the mediator. If they can reach an agreement, everyone will be completely shocked, but relieved!
Tell that to the union.
I would rather work early mornings or evenings and weekends when the traffic is not so heavy. I don’t have to be stuck in traffic.
Plus, people are generally at home in the evening and weekends, so I can easily safe drop their parcels without risk of them being stolen.
Apparently the union call people vampires for working graveyards or when it’s barely light out.
The only real vampires right now are Canada Post management and CUPW executives who are all still being paid as we picket out in the cold everyday.
After 14 months of this there are 55000 unemployed people right now with some worried they will not be able to pay their rent, mortgage, bills, or feed their kids and themselves. Never mind the holiday season upon us. How about the customers dependent on medication, money, appointment notifications presents etc. WTF. We may want to make this a priority to review and respond as quick as possible. And why do we have to wait for mediation to begin. Put the adults in the room figure out a solution
This is a message for all non cupw to read. The job sucks, the system is broken and with the exception of a few people out in the public it is completely thankless. Before you tell me to quit and get another job I already do and I’m hopeful it will work out better than cpc has for me. Don’t judge a carrier before walking a day in their shoes.
I empty rpo’s, do customer pickups, deliver mail, empty mailboxes and deliver parcels. I make $23 and hour and am tossed around to different areas on different routes I’ve never been to in my life.
I’ve had to fend of aggressive people, bad drivers, dogs, extreme cold, extreme heat all while feeling like a circus clown juggling too many items with both arms full of misc. items. Even if I was at the top wage of $30 it is not fair compensation.
Someone will say but you are done in 6 hours and paid for 8, me never. Some yes. It is deserved as they have got the job done that is asked of them. You work to get the job done not try and time it down to the minute to clock out at 8 hours on the dot. You cannot be slow and inefficient to do this job.
I’m staying on the list as a term but mentally I feel like I’m done which I’m at peace with.
You are making the right decision to move on. Best of luck to you.
Best of luck on your new endeavour. You have spoken like a seasoned veteran well done. Sorry to lose you but as a senior carrier I tell all new ppl leave while you can. This job has Zero care for your health or after work life.
Been in your shoes. Working 2 jobs for 12 years until I was full time. Spent 32 years with CP and loved my job. No more. The routes keep getting longer removing relay boxes. We are no longer respected and appreciated.
Been in your shoes and it does suck when you’re new. When I say new I mean under 15 years. It takes forever when your new because your bouncing all over the city on a new route every day. Would not want to be starting out with this dysfunctional company right now.
21 yrs as a lc here and you are making a very truthful statement. 👍
I’d only say the job gets better as you gain seniority and everyone started at the bottom like you. But I know it’s tough to wait for years to work your way up. Of course now we’re not working or making money at all and we all want to get back. Best wishes and if you have a better opportunity somewhere else, I don’t blame you for taking it.
I agree with every single word, describes my situation exactly.
100% agree with your statement.
What sucks more about being a term is that you don’t get any respect from anyone, not from regular full-timers whose route you’re covering, definitely not management, and the union doesn’t deal you with the same protection as regular full time letter carriers.
I have been treated like dirt on the bottom of everyone’s shoes. Right now, I’m just hanging in there.
For a company that deals with people, Canada Post is doing a horrible job at customer service since it doesn’t care about delivering its service and products to its customers. Canada Post is treating its customers with as much contempt it has for its own employees.
Wait until we are back. Supervisors are in for it heheheheh. Can’t wait to shoulder check some salesmen and office clerks hehehehehe.
Yes you’re absolutely right LC is a very hard job. I always say they have the hardest job in the corporation. However, since you are still a term, please stop with the entitlement attitude. Yes you may have to work all over, for 8 hrs, and get less than your counterparts, but that’s call seniority, years of commitment. So while you may put in the time and work hard, don’t compare yourself to your colleagues.
As a temp clerk who has worked at depots for 2½ years, my heart goes out to you. I never considered letter carrier because I know I just don’t have what it takes to do it at my age. I see the toll it takes on people every day, and I don’t envy that.
While you sound like someone who will be missed if you l;eave, you have to do what’s right for you. All the best whatever that turns out to be.
I just put Christmas cards in the mail box . Some for overseas ,some for canada and some for cpc and cupw executives. Does any believe they will be delivered before Santa’s birthday?
Yes, we will be back Monday!
Yes
That would be great if true!
No you wont
Unfortunately you’re wrong, until the Minister of labor filed for arbitration which takes a couple days, I’m thinking we could be off another week and just before Christmas we’re forced back, it will be last minute in the end when we go.. So get your strike hours in when you can, let CUPW panic they have to pay everyone.
The monarator has not allowed many of my comments to be shown. Why?maybe he she it they will allow this.
👍🏼
Some of others as well.
Purolator, UPS pause shipments from couriers amid backlog from Canada Post strike.
Good news for us……
Fire everyone who is on Union leave and all the so called CUPW executive. Waste of our money.
Loonie, Canadian Yields Slump as Traders Bet on Big BOC Cut
Canada’s dollar weakened toward its worst closing level in almost five years and the nation’s bonds rose as a surging unemployment rate pushed traders to ramp up bets for a half-point interest-rate cut next week.
C$ not looking good! 2025 23% of fixed mortgages renew, 2026 31% renew……guess we are headed to a 60 cent dollar.
Any longer and CUPW is going to ask for -10% just to get back to work. It’s not going to work the way you planned 😆
Haha… nice try! We saw this coming and saved…. we’re ready for a long one. And we will make it back clearing the backlog on overtime.
Overtime???? you are dreaming. That’s the old Union mentality.
Most are crying after week 1.
If you were able to save, then I guess you are being paid a fair wage. What happened to saying you’re under paid, cheque to cheque? Doesn’t add up
What backlog? Nobody loaded up in anticipation. Its will be like a regular summer day when you go back, there is no real backlog
I am sure you speak for the majority. You lose 2% of your wages each week and that’s now 3 weeks. You have paid almost 6000 in dues over the last 5 years only to get to this point-i really do feel bad for you all.
We get our union dues paid back in grievance payouts. It helps when staffing supervisors don’t understand what equal op is lol….. and don’t worry… when the floodgates are opened… there will be a backlog. Oh, and don’t be jealous of our DB pension, management and apoc aold out future employees a long time ago… we won’t do the same.
planning was made on a piece of paper and ideas was from their minds. here it is:
function propose_something(p_wage_increase_constant, p_meals_paid, p_more_benefits) {
wage_increase_constant = 1 + p_wage_increase_constant
meals_increase_paid = 2 + p_meals_paid
more_increase_benefits = 1 + p_more_benefits
return wage_increase_constant, meals_increase_paid, more_increase_benefits
performance_review = -1
job_security = 100
}
function approve(send_to_cpc) {
if govt_intervention
return True
return False
}
function negociation(value) {
negociation_month = get_negociation_month()
if negociation_month <= 12 then
negociation(negociation_month)
else
send_to_cpc = propose_something(value+1,value+1,value+1)
if approve(send_to_cpc) != True
print('Hold the candle that govt saves us – cupw')
negociation(value+1)
else
print('The govt is bad, we tried everything we could – cupw')
}
I’m not sure how it’ll be possible for the CEO of this company to continue on in his role after this situation resolves itself.
His tenure as leader is rife with animosity, and ill will towards workers, and bungled investments that haven’t bear fruit.
There needs to be wholesale changes to the executive.
What about CUPW President’s tenure?? is she coming back?? she’s gone!!! back to work like the rest of us. No more easy money, our hard earned wages,
He’s also on the board of directors for Purolator 😅😅
I started 20+ yrs ago with CPC. We have had weekend and evening deliveries before the ‘transformation’. Before Amazon came into the workforce. CPC changed the model to deliver parcels only when the LC’s work, big mistake! Now CUPW and CPC are out of touch. We need to change our delivery system to reflect what the public needs. We need to have CPC trucks out there in public in evenings and weekends! They only see Amazon trucks coming to the door now! We need to get back into parcel delivery in a big way! That’s where the income and growth is, and we have the infrastructure coast to coast to coast to do it!
Used to be the best job in the company!
Work weekends yes, but pick and choose your working hours during the week as you were the first to receive the opportunity.
Sheesh people, it’s not rocket science. Jog your own memories…
Literally like 15 yrs ago…..
My proposal…close it down….restart with new management, someone with knowledge of how to run a logistics business of this magnitude. They slowly rehire, half of management, only the ones that work of course, and half of staff, only ones willing to work 8 hrs. Voila everyone get a 40% raise, and better benefits.
One the best LC’s to grace this company
change business need and it starts with deliveries during the weekend. new management wont change anything because they will say same thing. To be competitive we need to do weekend deliveries and at a finance point of view, it makes no sense to get double wage on weekend. maybe on holidays if we have to do delivery on holidays ok.
Re-start with a new work force, no Union , new people in touch with reality, responsible and reliable employees. It is coming , good bye Union.
Your a legend in your own mind.
👍to this
Combining mail and parcel delivery might have made sense to management at the time (especially given the then-CEO’s mandate to run the company into the ground in accordance with the then-Prime Minister’s intent to privatize the crown corporation) but with parcel volumes already increasing, it was not long-term thinking.
While standard lettermail volume continues to decline, the market for admail and circulars is growing, along with the parcel market. It’s time to take a step back and consider bringing back dedicated mail and separate parcel delivery. In 2024, there is nothing modern about the “poste moderne”.
Guess canada post should have offered a deal that could be ratified a year ago….. when this is all over…time to trim some fat. Here is a tip to the non unionized employees…. stay close to the mail
In the words of NSYNC
BYE BYE BYE.
Why is this Union always trying to negotiate a contract so late in the year??
Because that’s when Canada Post makes its first offer. Can’t negotiate until an offer is made. This is ALL a game to Canada Post to turn the public against the union and its workers. They plan this out to the minute!
non unionized and unionized employees will go once all unions are decertified
We will see. I sense some layoffs coming at head office.
Yep lay offs from head office and right down the line…No one is safe
I can think of one in particular that is overdue. It’s time for a CEO who is not rewarded for incompetence with bonuses.
RE PRIORITY COURIER
If they got rid of the parcels they could see the priority hidden in between the skids. They need a system that works and all envelopes go through SSLPP for processing. Offer 2pm delivery at 25% off fedex rate.
Between USA and British data I’m able to decipher there are around 100 Million Christmas cards sent in Canada annually. Thats 100 million in Revenue.
Hold tight……Heads will have to roll if this isn’t settle by Next Week
they have asked to wish on whatsapp. save paper eco-friendly wishes will be delivered.
Executives have a different extended bennefits plan than all of us.
Surely the special mediator can ask for the details behind ‘extended health care plan for executives’ 51390.
You keep posting about executive BENEFITS using different names. If you’re so concerned about what they have, maybe you should better yourself and become one….start by learning how to spell ‘bennefits’ properly.
They are right though. Why would an executive deserve more extended health coverage?
How do you know they do? What do they have that we don’t?
Simple supply & demand. An executive has skills that are wanted by other organizations. Therefore, the compensation package needs to be attractive in order to both attract & keep talent. This is executive compensation 101.
Also it should made clear whether your talking about corporate executives or union executives.
Spoken like an executive.
Maybe when you become an executive, you can tell us what the difference is in benefits. Until then, I don’t see how the executive comp plan is of any relevance, you know with the higher education and transferable skillset.
Maybe our executives are underpaid, therefor we get underperformance!
We should NOT be recieving any less prescription, glasses, dental care coverage than those in other positions. That is wrong. It is also wrong to make employee pay up front. Employee cannot afford to pay up front. We walk 15km a day and must pay up front 80 dollars to get orthodics. All benefit should be direct bill.
Higher wages for executive I think we can all understand. But higher health coverage no.
Do equally right by all people. Healthy happy people at all level of company.
800! Not 80!
Do you think APOC should get more too then? How about Management? Director?
More responsibilty should not justify better health care package?? How about more time off for those people too?
Ridiculous.
They should get more.
Settle down, you get reimbursed within days.
If it wasn’t for benefits fraud by employees from numerous companies, you wouldn’t be paying up front.
If you want what executives have, become one.
How to tell us your a entitled executive without telling us your a entitled executive.
So, when the Mediator suspended the talks he had said that the two sides were too far apart and that both sides needed to bend for the talks to resume. Both sides have put forth their new proposals yet I haven’t heard anything that the talks were back on. ARE THEY TALKING? Or is it that the Mediator does not consider that the two sides have bend enough and is waiting for yet another set of proposals? If this is the case, don’t hold your breath until mid January at least.
Surely the special mediator can ask for the details behind ‘extended health care plan for executives’ 51390.
The two sides could meet at any time without a mediator, if they actually wanted to. Too bad both sides would rather act like spoiled toddlers than adults.
Friday, here’s to the weekend.
My GF bought us some tanning minutes for our trip in a few weeks. Will be a nice break from the line.
Thank god I saw the light and knew there’s was no chance of not having a long strike and prepared accordingly.
Have a good weekend Comrades.
Sounds like you’re gloating… we’re all happy for you.
Jobless rate reaches highest since January 2017 outside of pandemic in November
Jobless rate reaches 6.8% in November, highest since January 2017 outside of pandemic
Canada’s unemployment rate jumped to 6.8 per cent last month as more people looked for work in a weak job market.
Good Timing for contract talks thx CUPW.
that 6.8% unemployed people would be glad to work for CPC at the current wage, benefit etc.
55,000 members who does not realize their luck of having a DECENT pay. Remove them and let those people unemployed a chance.
Doesn’t work like that and the fact you even posted that speaks volumes to how little you actually understand how life in Canada works
Yeah and how it works?
If there was no union CPC would pay min wage and make u use your own vehicle. Why would they price vehicles again.
No one ever stated that CUPW was smart-no clue as to the lack of support from the public- they, the public see the letter carriers doing just what the $19 hr Amazon delivery persons doing
Yes embrace the dark side young Padawan. Come to the dark side for a pay check! come to the dark side for benefits!. Come to the dark side for a pension!
Yes come to the dark side and join me here at Canada Post!
If it’s so dark, leave
Leave, no one is holding you.
Maybe the rebel alliance can ask the special mediator to find out what is included within ‘extended health care plan for executives’ 51390.
blah, blah, blah. Bennefits, bennefits, bennefits. blah, blah, blah.
BENEFITS. But yes! 100%
Gee will you look at that even, Purolator can’t function properly now. I wonder who is in charge there?
are you a purolator employee? how do you know they cant function properly….
I guess you didn’t read the news yet
but cupw members are saying cpc lies to the media…. which media should we trust…. makes me wonder… LOL
Maybe both sides are to blame, or is that not obvious enough for you?
Your just another head in the sand soup
They are delayed and rightly so. They are helping to sponge up an additional million parcels a day, plus deal with their own growth. They and UPS will be fine and in fact better when its all over as they will retain most of the profitable shipping going forward. Congratulations, you played yourself. Reporting that they are too busy is not news when you are busting up a pallet to feed the barrel
Termination must come for ones who faulted. Let’s start over and rebuild.
I agree with JAKE! REBUILD for the better!!!!
What are you talking about? If you mean bad workers, then CUPW will protect them. Our union is actually good at that. Of course CUPW doesn’t really help those of us who want an agreement so we can get back to work Lol!
Don’t only has the stubborness of bot CPC and CUPW kept this strike going for 3 weeks now they have taken away not only our ability to earn a pay but also any overtime we would have gotten. This time of year we typically see an increase of overtime opportunities which gave the full time and part time employees as well as the casuals to earn extra to help with Christmas expenses. So a big sarcastic thank you to both CPC and CUPW. Hope you have a very merry Christmas.
Ya. If we are out any longer then this week gonna be a lot of Grumpy poor people this Xmas
The more i read, the more i realize that CUPW workers are comletely out of touch with reality.
Been at CPC for 18 years. I took me about 2 months to realize that. It’s a job and done join the cult.
Curious how long did it take you?
I realized when they handed out buttons, told us to wear black tshirts, and blow whistles like it was still the 80’s. This union can’t even win earlier start times that cost the company nothing. And we’re suppose to believe they’ll actually get a real contract with improvements?! Infuriating
Look in the mirror
You know CUPW could be a good Union if….well never mind I don’t have all day😂But they do love their Groupies who believe their 1980s way of thinking!Here, have another glass of Kool-Aid that’ll be a toonie please! Just take it from the loan you went out and got🙄
Actually a great idea to provide new revenue for Canada Post. CUPW kool-aid sales. Certainly no worse than our union’s other idiotic out-dated ideas!
That’ll be the next idea they’ll put forth! Let’s sell Kool-Aid! Lol…Deliver baked goods,have senior checks( which really makes me mad) they’re expecting seniors to pay? How about just doing it as a decent human being?Lets not even mention postal banking🙄
How about you walk a mile in my shoes and then tell me that we out of touch.
Convert to CMBs and you won’t be walking as many miles, and your job becomes much safer. Isn’t that what CUPW is fighting for, safer working conditions?
Im a 30+ yr employee…so i have walked plenty of miles in your shoes…and last time I looked im on a website that allows us an opinion…Where is CUPW’s? OH that’s right we’re not allowed an opinion
Weekend delivery won’t work. Ottawa is thinking by Paying half the wages for employee X to deliver on the weekend It will save money. I don’t think they understand how highly efficient the mailman is in delivering parcels.
and what will work? You are thinking about a wage perspective not a business…
Like you guys did with your bonuses while at the same time destroying the business? Did you mean that plan?
2/3 of my route I have 2 products and 1/3 I have 3 products. The part timer Weekend worker even at lower wages doesn’t make up the difference. With just one product Parcels labour and real estate intensive !
What will work….Investing and expanding in profitable sectors of the company. Playing a bit of offence!
Please tell us more…. still have no idea how to expand in profitable sectors…
How about bringing back Priority Courier.
Priority Courier? The failed 10 years ago product that was and still is always late, thus, refunded and free. Other companies can do early morning and make it work, but not then, they are not also trying to deliver admail and welfare cheques to a route
So make it work, If they got rid of the parcels they could see the priority hidden in between the skids. They need a system that works and all envelopes go through SSLPP for processing. Offer 2pm delivery at 25% off fedex rate.
Paying someone double time doesn’t mean they’re twice as efficient.
noo nooo, once they get double money, they can buy 2 more arms to have 4 and be more efficient….
In most cases they are, yes.
What depot/plant are you at? I’ve yet to see double productivity on OT
You are posting anonymous and ask we where I work. Are you familiar with working of all the depots and plants.
They walk faster than during the weekdays….
Exactly.
Heres what it comes down too. A Baboon could probably be taught to deliver parcels
A Baboon could probably not be taught to deliver Parcels letters and Admail together.
So what we have to do is AI every step up to the mailman then he can cover more territory with high value products not low value commoditized parcels.
and hiring a handyman for electrical work at half price does’t mean you save money as he might take 2x the time with A lower quality job…..The devil is in the details.
We need that handyman to service all the EV chargers CUPW is vouching for, or will non-licensed LCs be doing that work? Maybe CUPW can add electricians and contractors to their list of future employees they’re fighting for, just like the cleaning staff.
They can add nurses to the list for all the “senior check-ins” as well. Get those defibrillators installed in those Promasters.
What double time? Employees working up to 8 hours a day five days a week get straight pay every one of those days; the weekend premium is $1.40/hour.
Double pay kicks in only after 2½ of overtime on the first five days, and on a sixth or seventh day. With proper staffing using permanent positions, that should only happen during peak periods or when there are an unusual number of absences.
In our countries affordability crisis people will be lining up for a second job 1-2 days a week.
I have multiple coworkers that have a second job on weekends.
Truly informative piece. Share this with everyone you can please
https://breachmedia.ca/postal-workers-strike-fighting-gigification-public-service/
Cupw promoting their new union GIGAFY UNITED!!! On the backs of 50k employees.
Wake up and take the blinders off.
Cupw is making every employee look like fools with their pathetic postal banking which Canada post just signed a contract, and the other ridiculous delivering community power dream shovelling seniors walks etc.
If the union for once actually fought for benefits increases and wages, members might get on board with the clown show.
Funny Teamsters had no problem getting 4-5$ more an hour for their members. But they aren’t demanding how to run the business.
And Teamsters is not trying to solve all the world problems under a contract.
love you said about teamsters…cupw wants to run Canada post but cant run the union properly
cupw has big dreams
Maybe you should read stuff before replying to it. It would make you seem much less misinformed and/or wilfully ignorant.
If and when you do read it, you will notice that it is CUPW that is fighting the gigification that CPC is attempting to foist on the workplace.
As for how to run the business, Teamsters work in the private sector where mismanagement has shareholders to answer to. Our upper mismanagement answers to nobody in a government where ministerial responsibility is an historical artifact.
Canada Post belongs to all Canadians and provides a public service that most of us take seriously. Given the disconnect between incompetent upper management that approves things that look great on paper in Ottawa and the the workforce that has to deal with the fiascos those cause on the ground, we do and should have something to say about how to run the business.
Canada Post will only succeed going forward when it has a CEO who sees workers at all levels as partners, not adversaries.
yes yes yes
fight the fight
corporation greed. Canada Post CEO said when we was first hired he would spend billions to upgrade Canada Post included plants and machinery and vehicles etc. Now after 5 years they cry foul and want the workers to pay for their spending.
Our pension fund is outperforming yet Canada Post wants new hires to be on different pension plan. They say they cant afford the pension plan which is an outright lie.
They want to have more p/t and temporary jobs to create a riff between them and f/t positions to have worker power less. Then slowly eliminate f/t positions.
I thought a crown corporation #1 goal is to serve the public. Canada Post is more interested in saving money and bonuses for executives.
Geez
hold the line. Fight for workers rights!
Everyone please do yourselves a favour and read this. Forward it to friends and family and anyone who would read this. Very informative and eye opening. Also the truth behind why economics professor always railing against us!!!
https://breachmedia.ca/postal-workers-strike-fighting-gigification-public-service/
Very informative because it is a biased article written by a member
No more biased than you are with your comment. So what?
I’m Starting to wonder if these guys in Ottawa have any Business sense.
First they invest billions in an unprofitable segment Parcels. Then they not only neglect but sabotage profitable segments.
Whats wrong with pot its light, its high value, has a low accident rate when delivering.No they want the Bag and Canadian tire flyer which the private companies won’t deliver.
Tuna for president then. Seems like you will be doing better than them with your ideas….
You make this claim that parcels are unprofitable. All of the competition is profitable because of parcels and so to can be Canada Post. They already are/were shipping most legalized cannabis, all of the grey market stuff and several other products. The only reason they are failing is because the company is operated and staffed by people who think it’s only a mail delivery company, that also does parcels. It needs to be a parcel company that also does mail. Focus on what is profitable now.
” Starting to wonder if these guys in Ottawa have any Business sense.”
The CEO previously had two stints as such in the private sector, neither contract was renewed after one term. He has been in the workforce for 41 years, and never served longer than 9 at any one company, that being his first job as a regional sales rep. He has an MBA in marketing and has presided over a significant drop in both market share and volume in the growing parcel market.
Does that answer your question?
Next few days are crucial. If we are not back to work by the 11th we won’t be back till after Xmas.
The strike is having effect. Purolator and UPS pausing shipments due ti overwhelming parcels influx due to strike. According to Canada post mountains of lies, we only have 25ish% of parcels market, this suggests otherwise
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/purolator-ups-pause-shipments-from-couriers-amid-backlog/ar-AA1vnuCn?cvid=f5e46a9dc31341be88d44a826f2764dc&ocid=hpmsn&ei=14
It doesn’t matter what percentage we have. These numbers that are regurgitated by the media from the company do not fool anyone one of us. The total amount of parcels being shipped in Canada is astronomical! There is a lot of money to be made.
We are not stupid, and we will not except less!
Even if all of that is true, we still have to change our letter carrier business model and nationwide infrastructure built around it. It is now outdated, unsustainable and doesn’t make sense to maintain anymore.
Not if. It is true. Right there in black and white. Your oh woe poor little ole Canada post misinformation train is starting to derail. You messed up not us. You screwed the business up not us. You mispent like drunken sailors while also giving yourselves bonuses not us I can’t wait until all your lies are fully exposed for all to see in the light of day
These companies are not foolish like Canada post was during covid. Investing millions on a temporary surge without contracts. ultimately costing million in idle extra capacity.
SSD is really a stupid idea. They want to replace a professional efficient sorter (mailman on his own route) with an inside worker that takes 2x the time and makes many mistakes.
Also They want to operate parcels a losing money division 40% more time which means more wages electricity etc.
Rather these guys are incompetent or they are not telling us the full plan.
The full plan is the eventual elimination of route ownership and reliefs. Could you imagine the horror of coming in everyday and not knowing what you’re doing or what time you will be starting at. I dont know who in management hallucinated this stuff up
Obviously someone without LC experience or even knowing how to manage a delivery company for that matter
oh so basically every person in a management position?? none of them know how to do the job of carrying mail, urban or rural.
Management is detached, The people in Ottawa make the decisions for people in Vancouver and they don’t even know the weather in Vancouver for example
CHAOS As far as I can tell looking around at my Plant we are at intellectual Capacity. Now they want to add a layer of sophistication At A lower wage. Good Luck with that plan with a great chance of failure almost guaranteed.
I was a PO4 at a depot when SSD was implemented, and it was an absolute fiasco. (On the upside, it gave me a lot of extra hours.) They talk about being competitive, yet SSD inherently delays all manually sorted, registered, and personalized mail by a day. And that’s without the mistakes made by sorters that cause additional delays – often of more than two days as mail goes back to the plant, where the letter carrier often just gave it to the colleague whose route he know it was for.
Another brilliant idea from pencil pushers who’ve never delivered a letter or sorted a piece of mail; no doubt looked great on paper, as it always does when it fails miserably on the ground.
I never Did SSD just guessed , and I can guess their stupid theory of why they thought it would work. They never think of the consequences of their decisions. Like the fact that the admail penetration rate will plummet with all the extra errors.. Here they are again taking a profitable segment of CPC and instead of making it more efficient they make it less.
Thinking things through is not their strong suit. It’s funny how they complain about labour costs while implementing systems that lead to overtime for on-calls (who are last in line for overtime).
Excellent point about admail, especially considering that other than parcels, it is the only addressed mail that is seeing growth. And unlike parcels, we have an effective monopoly on it.
SSD is a result of us fighting CMBS. They are killing us with SSD so we will welcome CMB.
SSD is the result of CPC mismanagement,ineptitude and not having a clue of what they are doing. Why do you think they been trying to ram it through everywhere this last year? You think their not coming to the table this last year was coincidence? They would have been stopped dead in their tracks had we actually negotiated a new deal sooner rather than later so here we are today with all the Canada post lies and misinformation in their never ending war against workers. To those thinking this is a joke or just need to say yes to any cpc offer Wake Up. We may have loses either way but at least this way we are fightind and giving ourselves a chance
I am awake comrade. Seems like you have a lot hate and you one of those people that blame CP for everything.
CPC are to blame for everything. Did we do the spending? Did we get bonuses for tanking the company? You want to tell me the union has some faults? Yes absolutely. Is here and now the time and place to trash them in front of CPC on a CPC forum? No absolutely not. So maybe some should rearrange their priorities and redirect their energy to fight what these CPC tyrants would try to shaft us with. Let’s get a negotiated deal that works for all and gets us back to work. Then and only then you go after the union all you want, ok comrade
Actually tuna, the routers that sort the mail in ssd stations are from the letter carrier group, not inside workers. Just so you know.
They are from the letter carrier group (Group 2) not postal clerks (Group 1), which have traditionally been considered outside and inside workers respectively, but those are not official designations.
That said, sorters do all of their work inside, so in a real sense, they are inside workers.
SSD is coming to all Canada and so is weekend delivery. This is a no brainer. CUPW will (or already has) given up on those 2 demands. Im not saying that Im on board with SSD and weekend delivery. Just stating facts.
Christmas party in Varedaro,Cuba for cupw cpc executives courtesy of union dues from workers who won’t get full pay til at least January 2025. It does my heart good that my dues are going to a worthy cause.
Thank you for the funny. We need it in these times of anger and uncertainty.
You know when you signed up your democratic rights were taken away. Cupw will do all your thinking ,talking and voting on your behalf. You new that. And you go along to get along in a union environment. There’s no disagreements just yes yes,da. So you knew the score and the outcome .If you don’t like it lots of exits.
I don’t agree with everything the union does, including a fair bit of their current ‘strategy’, but the bottom line is there were elections and there was a strike vote. Folks who didn’t participate in either chose to have no say over the outcomes.
Could you supers find something else to do instead of muddling the waters with your sky is falling posts. Go count elastics or something
U persume they can count?
Where do I drop off all the blue elastics I find on my lawn and street?
How about giving us the same extended benefits plan as executives!!!!????
This comment keeps being made….What do the executives get that we don’t?
He does not even know but only throwing stuff
Surely the special mediator can ask for the details behind ‘extended health care plan for executives’ 51390.
They arent making it up.
You’re the only one who cares about executive benefits. Get an education and become one, you’ll be happier for it.
Keep it going. If we get no deal, there is no mail movement. Sorry
no 60-70% labour cost too. CPC is saving money on that.
Oh I’m just laughing my ovaries off watching the strike on you tube. A little while back somebody said the 3 stooges were the funniest comedy relief in history. And then crown was passed to cupw and cpc. Congrats on being the funniest comedy relief in history. I’m getting a stomach ache from laughing so hard.
It really isn’t that funny
The stooges say thank you for reading the comment. Still laughing my ovaries off.
Any word if executive extended bennefits plan is being looked at?
When in Cuba they will look into it,between rum punches.
You should worry about yourselves first and not managment/executives. That’s why you can’t get a deal done- you keep flip flopping on whats important to you.
I agree 💯% Stop worrying about mgmt…I saw our local president on TV focused on cpc execs not our real issues at hand🙄
if you are so obsessed with it, then why don’t you look into it? Oh yeah you are just throwing some assumptions that their benefits plan is this and that. What i know is that it will still not be more than the 55K labour cost.
I love the post about making Canada Post some sort of internet café with high speed internet as a service to the public.
Fun fact. We dont even have high speed internet!
PO should be internet cafes…. Love the idea. Time to get that. I think this is a revolutionary idea that will bring profits to CPC. All of this would not be possible without the proposed idea by CUPW.
Let’s go back couple centuries and let the management give powers to do whatever they want to do , hire ,fire people at will. How many supervisors bring their own family and friends with them.
Does anyone know how many people were actually laid off….like your plants or depos?
maybe cupw will know since they represent their members….. or do they even care to follow up with their members…
Read this folks. Absolutely lovely article regarding the truth as a CP Employee amd the strike.
https://breachmedia.ca/postal-workers-strike-fighting-gigification-public-service/
Great article. I wish mainstream media would print or show this
More people need to read this
Let’s organize a stay at home next Thursday no one pickets please stay at home United let’s show cupw were not going to take it ….b.s talk and get it done or we stay home
great idea, but i say as of Monday!
Enough is enough .worried of mental health for the workers it’s time get it done
does cupw really cares about health and safety when they go on strike and tell people to take loans. Big hypocrisy.
The Employee and Family Assistance Program is still available at no cost to all employees, at least until the CEO cuts that too.
Maybe CUPW could cover your benefits? Oh ya, they declined that coverage; have to keep that money to donate to more worthy causes.
Apparently they have been working to do that in accordance with CLC §94(3)(d.1), and are being blocked by management. (Disclaimer: this is unconfirmed, based on info from an insider.)
I think it’s time that CUPW gets their head out of the sand.
Not a single member of parliament has stepped forward to say we need to intervene. Zero!
In my estimation, the government has far more staying power than this union. It’s time to face the reality of the situation.
The company wants change and they seem determined to get it!
Settle down. Watch what happens soon
More nothing?
Patience is a virtue.
Unless I’ve misunderstood your comment, you seem to be under the impression that CUPW wants the government to intervene to force an end the strike. That is not at all the case. If anything, it is CPC that has been negotiating in bad faith under the (mistaken) impression that the government will have their back yet again.
The CEO still hasn’t got that the only way out of this is at the bargaining table, and when he does get it, it will take weeks to reach agreements on some issues with the help of mediators. The only way out of the general strike anytime soon is a temporary ceasefire (i.e. call off the general strike and restore the collective agreement) while the parties get back to the table.
You will see when cupw reserve gets depleted whether they will be holding the candle for govt to step in or not
Three weeks no work. After this small 4 day paycheck there will probably be nothing this December. The troll on the Canada Corp Subreddit might be right after all. We are pooched. I mean 50 bucks a day aint much ya know?
I miss the feeling of a personal sense of accomplishment revising equipment for the first 4 hours of my shift everyday along with 20 others @ $30+/hr
Low productivity.
Precisely why you all find yourself in the situation you’re in….
look who’s talking?
Thanks soup!
Can’t wait to see you waddling down the street, delivering some mail. Show us how to be productive!
somehow I thought our Depot was unique in having such arrogant and useless management. now I see it is a theme. so many bullies who would never survive in the real world. lazy and useless. and so so mean.
Explain to me how $600 an hr is a productive use of time to do whatever it is you do to equipment.
Soup? I do enjoy beef barley 😋
Mmmmm… soup….
throwing packages instead of putting them in monocontainers… yeah i have seen it and multiple timesssssssssss. the customer is most probably going to ask for a refund from the sender if the item is broken and who is to be blamed? CPC.
We will remember who was good to us and the soups thst busted our chops. What goes around comes around…
And the soups will remember the people who were idiots on the picket line if and when you come back. So when your crying that the soup is being mean to you, remember what goes around comes around.
Who hired them all!!!???
You know people fake it a lot during probation and once they are confirmed there is no lay off possible, so they chill…
Let’s start a new picket line: “We wanna work. We wanna work.” “The customers come first.”
Sounds good to me. I’d be there for that.
Hers my solution to end this nonsense
The Feds bring us back under the umbrella of the PREVIOUS collective agreement
The workers return to work, get a paycheck and can afford Xmas
The company starts to make money
The public is satisfied and we can (try) to win back their trust and confidence
Small businesses and rural communities are looked after
Workers who have been on short and long term disability issues are taken care of
The Union and CPC can continue their so called negotiations until they are blue in the face
SSD is put on hold until a collective agreement is finalized
We do not pay Union dues until the collective agreement is finalized
And then you woke up from your dream and realized that the Feds have no interest in bringing us back. Even if the workers came back to work, they wouldn’t be able to afford Xmas. The company will not start to make money if we go back to the old system. The public generally doesn’t care, only the few that are directly affected. Sure, short and long term for accepted claims. Negotiations aren’t happening now, so why would they resume if the Feds brought us back? SSD will not be put on hold. The union already lost that at arbitration. No reason for them to consider taking it back now. Otherwise why did they fight it at arbitration in the first place? You have no choice but to pay union dues. That’s the law.
SSD is on hold until the contract is finalized- I know that we already lost, but everything from BOTH sides is frozen until a contract is signed, Union dues are re established after the contract is signed
Your comment makes no sense whatsoever. Of course everythings on hold. We’re not working, We’re on strike.
You can donate your Union dues to a charity instead of them going to the union
How do you do that?
I believe all you do is phone HR and let them know. You’ll have to give a reason eg: religious or something like that and a portion or all of it goes to the charity of your choice. That way you can still use it as a tax deduction. I will be looking into it more today.
SSD put on hold? Already lost in arbitration and it is already being done.
Yes CUPW already lost that battle but is still holding all of us hostage fighting it. It is already in countless depots across Canada. The union could try to make it better by adjusting start times but they have to stop pretending it can be stopped. It’s already here! Get this agreement done and stop wasting time. Everyone wants to get back to work now!
I dont want to cave in and go back as easily as you. We’ve been out 3 weeks so no way I go back for minor improvements. Go big or go home. Let’s get what we deserve and remove all the crap buried deep in the contract that many like you don’t even realize cpc is slipping in that is harmful and backwards to our demands. There is much more at stake than the difference between 11 and 24%
here is the solution. decertify the union. everyone who wants to come back to work, work.
Sounds like a plan.
👍🏼👌🏻👍🏼
Love that solution
Everyone stay home no picket line show cupw that we are done with there b.s
Ok management troll
That’s already happening. Look at strikes from the past. All buildings had picket lines 24/7. Now they’re lucky if they get enough people to picket some buildings during the day. Look at places like Gateway. With the number of people who work there you would think the picket lines would be enormous. They’re just sad. Hold the line? I don’t think you ever had a grasp on the line to start with.
Great idea!!
Try it scab. We dare you
Wow, that’s nice CUPW, way to threaten your “brothers and sisters”
Great solution – let’s see our wages rolled back 10 years.
If you think you’re better off without a union, try Amazon.
It’s not going to happen that way. The Libs will topple if the Cons push for a non confidence vote in the Commons.
We will get pushed back to work but without a proper contract until after a federal election.
So far it looks like the Cons have the political advantage and if they form government postal workers are screwed. They will dismantle the postal system and we will never get any of our major demands implemented into a collective agreement. Many of us might be looking for new jobs if this scenario happens.
The Libs won’t put it to a vote, so we won’t get pushed back to work. Face it, we’re drifting all alone out here. No one is begging us to come back and no outside forces are going to make that happen. But your right about the Cons. If they win then we really are screwed.
I really, really like your points, especially the last one.
And then you realize how naive you are thinking this corporation gives a molecule of a crap about you us and all Canadians.
What’s up with that latest email talking about delivering checks dec 18 and 19?
Is Jan planning for us to still be out then?
Our union somehow thinks it’s better to deliver govt cheque’s and do Santa letters than to actually go back to work. The CUPW execs feel very important right now, like they’re back in the Battle of Stalingrad or something. They actually don’t care about the 55,000 workers out in the cold losing thousands of dollars!
Yes.
That is the plan if we are still out.
seems that way doesn’t it??
DISGUSTING.
what if all of these VOLUNTEERS she has offered to CPC to do this work simply refused?? why should any of us do either party ANY favours???
I fully agree. We’re not heroes delivering cheque’s when we’re not delivering anything else. Parcels, passports and mail are all important. Don’t do CUPW or Canada Post any favour’s. They’re not doing anything for the 55,000 workers out in the cold. Probably planning their next trip to Cuba though.
I heard the union can’t get enough people to deliver the checks. I wonder what the public would think if they knew the union wasn’t holding up to their end of the bargain.
For all that don’t realize CPC lies to the media and employees. They said ssd is strictly for depots with space issues. But almost (99 percent) have not had. Space issue the 6 depots in Canada that need it sure the rest we could play volleyball with the space not used So they lie and say it’s only for that instead of saying we are doing it to make more bonuses and lay carriers off by increasing the routes by 25 percent
I was at a depot when SSD was implemented, and it created space issues with an unworkable floor plan that had been designed by people who had never set foot in the facility, much less talked to a single person who actually worked in the space.
When that floor plan failed miserably, adjustments were made in-house that made the space at least workable. SSD still inherently delays delivery of all manual, registered, and personalized mail by at least a day.
to the ones who didn’t want a strike but didn’t show up to vote, i hope you show up next time
YOUR VOTES MATTER
Vote NO! NO! NO!
I did show up with a number of other posties and we were NOT given a ballot because we refused to listen to the forced propaganda meeting, so we left
Well ain’t that ducky? And you’re blaming the union?? Perfect!
So you let them get their way and still look like you were against them. You’re supposed to smile and nod, then vote how you want to. You took the easy way out
Try growing a spine instead of whimpering and caving to all that your cpc overlords command you to do
My spine was used to show up and vote, which is all I was allowed to do. I did not have an opportunity to voice my thoughts on the matter.
That’s because they have to make a presentation before allowing you to vote. Nothing new there. Maybe if you had bothered to wait your vote would have counted.
Agreed on that. It would have been nice to also be allowed to voice our opinions if they differed from the orthodoxy of the local.
I love being played by my own union leader. Having public tell me to go and blank myself. Not bringing enough money home to help my family pay the bills including mortgage and food. I have never been more encouraged and dedicated to my union in my life. My family can take a back seat and suffer ,my soul goes to cupw til we get a good contract. Power to people!
Another Strike cheque coming tomorrow. Keep em coming.
Tax free and paid every week.
Still waiting on my second 😂😂 I’m glad CUPW so efficient like they’re in negotiations.. What a joke, I’m going to sneak in the building swipe my card then run back out..😂
Great now you can put gas in the car…filler up I mean half a tank.
Yep, get some gas in that tank so you can get back to the picket line tomorrow.
Better than nothing, but sorry I’d rather have an actual paycheck. Is it possible for our union to negotiate and compromise so we can go back to work? Isn’t three weeks of pay plus whatever we would have made in OT enough for CUPW? It almost seems like our union doesn’t really care about this strike ever being over. Maybe next time they go to Cuba, they could just stay there and never come back!
I’d pay for the one way tickets!
Unfortunately, some of the complex issues won’t be resolved in a matter of days or even a couple of weeks, even if both parties do negotiate in good faith.
The only way we go back to work soon and get the mail moving for the busy holiday season is with a temporary ceasefire – call off the general strike and restore the collective agreement until January while the parties go back to the table.
One day longer, one day Stronger !
1 day poorer
You’re so funny.
You are funnier for this comment
20 days unstoppable.. and continuing…
Mantras aren’t going to solve this one. It’s time to be realistic and accept that negotiated solutions to some of the complex issues are going to take several weeks. We need a temporary ceasefire (call off the general strike and restore the collective agreement) while the parties go back to the table – with a guarantee that those issues get worked out there, i.e. no binding arbitration at any time.
lol
New demand brought to the table?
HIGH-SPEED INTERNET
Despite government promises, high-speed internet, expansion in Canada has been painfully siow. Most Canadians are paying outrageously high prices for slow internet. Canada Post offices are secure locations that could be adapted to house broadband internet servers, extending high-speed internet service fur ther than the big telecom companies. High-speed internet is needed, and our Post Offices can deliver it.
next is whole day organic meals (breakfast, lunch, dinner, supper). The food that workers have to eat are not organic enough.
GTFO we’re not internet providers.. Stick to what we’re good at, delivering parcels and mail to Canadians.. Go get a job at Rogers if you want to provide Internet.. So much nonsense coming out of people on this page..
Unions latest request. This will be longest strike on record,
HIGH-SPEED INTERNET
Despite government promises, high-speed internet, expansion in Canada has been painfully siow. Most Canadians are paying outrageously high prices for slow internet. Canada Post offices are secure locations that could be adapted to house broadband internet servers, extending high-speed internet service fur ther than the big telecom companies. High-speed internet is needed, and out Post Offices can deliver it.
Plus Postal Banking and other ideas from 1992!
How does a postal bank even make money? The union wants the bank to service low income people or people without a fixed address. The only way a bank makes money is by charging high service charges. So which way does the union want it? High service charges that their target customer base can’t pay, or another drain on CPC funds.
Service charges are a relatively minor part of banks’ revenue stream. Banks make their profits by lending money at higher interest rates than they pay on deposits. While CPC will not become a bank, it can partner with major banks to get a cut of that.
It works in other countries. It can work here. I used to live in a rural town where the only bank branch closed over a decade ago. The local post office can serve those without the means to travel to the closest bank branch, particularly seniors who do not do online banking.
Maybe our retail outlets can pretend they’re Blockbuster locations from the 1990’s and rent movies on VHS. CUPW never stops coming up with brilliant up-to-date ideas to make money! Here’s one they never think of; delivering mail, parcels, and admail and just doing a great, efficient job expanding that business. You know, the kind that actually would increase revenue for our company? Please CUPW, is it possible for you to compromise, and negotiate an agreement so we can all get back to work?
Here’s another idea.
Canada Post Retails should offer 1 hour photo development, passport photos and a counter to dispense drugs.
Oh wait we already have that drugstores that they have Canada Post franchise retail post offices with people working there that aren’t part of CUPW.
That means you don’t have to be part of CUPW to work for Canads Post.
No need for CUPW. Problem solved.
With declining lettermail volumes and an increasingly competitive parcel market (and a CEO with an MBA in marketing who has presided over our market share being cut in half), CPC can use its existing infrastructure to offer profitable services.
Postal banking works in other countries. It can work here.
CUPW will come up with any idea excepy one that actually makes money. Like delivering mail and parcels or something crazy like that!
What? delivering mail and parcels brings money?????
This is brilliant…
Lots of support to go around…
(Pulled from CUPW Negotiations)
Urban and RSMC Negotiations 2023-2024
*Letters, web sites and other support-related messages are available in the language in which they were received.
Selected Messages of Support
Asociacion Argentina de Trabajadores de las Communicaciones
Communist Party of Canada
CUPE Young Ontario Workers
International Labour Network of Solidarity and Struggle
Lana Payne letter to CUPW National President Jan Simpson
Ontario Secondary School Teachers Federation (OSSTF)
Palestinian postal Service Workers Union-(PPSWU)
The signatories, union and workers’ associations leaders in Portugal
UNI Global Union
Worker Communist Party of Kurdistan–Canada Committee
Let me see if I understand CUPW is begging Canada Post to expand their services why would any Canadian trust Canada Post. Imagine I opened a savings and chequing account. That means I will be placing my trust in a company and its workers. In the case of a work stopage how do I have access to my hard earneed money. With 4 worrk stopaĝaes in the past 20 years why would anyone place trust with yuùoi
Or simply the fact NO ONE even goes to a bank anymore?
I guess you don’t know any seniors who don’t do online banking.
ask the union why we should trust them with our money for those 4 strikes.
No one can trust CUPW, they’re only concerned about their pockets not the workers picketing getting paid peanuts, not even paid properly
As a long time employee i wouldn’t put 5$ in a bank run by CPC and staffed by CUPW! And really I can’t remember the last time I’ve been in my bank
exactly. we are seeing the true face of cupw.
tell their members to get loan 6 months before the strike, basically suk it up.
did not agree to continue paying the benefits for their members proposed by cpc.
giving peanuts to people to picket when they get 55,000 members dues every paycheck.
no one is saving you this time cupw.
CUPW must go, Time to Decertify them…!!
Guys on our picket line are still waiting for their first strike pay cheques
( should’ve been received on day 8 of strike and we’re now at day 21 )
Could you even imagine CUPW trying to run a bank !!!!!
Cupw bank into the ground
You’re pretty funny, too.
😂
they are trying to get the 14 days interest. guys will get it next month.
lol
People get to bypass the strike line to spend all week ‘writing checks’ . The heck is going on in these “offices”
Marone a mia
CUPW is useless, all of Canada and Canadians pissed off at us for the strike. When you take 14+ months of negotiations only to come up with 2 offers in the last 2 months because of mediation, that’s a clear indication they don’t want to negotiate and bring hate from us the members towards the corporation.. CUPW is a joke.
AGREED
Don’t forget the BS last contract on gender equity
https://www.cupw.ca/sites/default/files/Putting%20an%20End%20to%20Discrimination%20at%20Canada%20Post_E.pdf
Almost forgot about that. Classic example of twisting facts to fit your agenda… CUPW at their finest
what about meritocracy instead of pay based on male or female?
CUPW classic of screwing the workers and bringing in RSMC’s.. oh by the way there’s a few in the national committee.. I wonder how they got in so fast..? Hmmm
My god,. Canada post has been bleeding money for ages. 3.8 billion lost since 2018. I understand them trying to make it more profitable. Go back to work.
This negotiation hub is not for you, go back to work and mind your business.. Large size my fries
send this guy a resume too. He will need it
I’m sure you don’t have the seniority to say that to anyone, go bow down to your masters CUPW. When you get laid off and the union brings in gig workers I’m sure there’s more highly skilled people than you here, so maybe you might get Walmart greeter..😂🤡
Who me? Nah breh, I’m still getting paid and keeping busy. How is the supply of pallets out there?
No they have not. All lies and you’re buying into it. CPC is just on its typical anti worker crusade where they do and spend whatever they want and employees penalized for it
Ah yes, a company that employs 60,000 people is on an anti-worker crusade. How dare they penalize you with a job, pension and benefits.
You say people are buying into CPC lies, but seems to me like you are the one buying into CUPW propaganda.
That’s why there’s a work stoppage. Cpc wants to penalize jobs, pensions,and benefits. Try to be a little more informed before you post.
The fact that you think that proves my point.
Have a good day
They’re not penalizing jobs they are trying to run it like it’s 2024 not 1984…get with the times…CUPW is still stuck in the 80s
They are not losing money. They are building new plants and buying electric vehicles. It shows as deficit. Trying to fool people and some actually get fooled’
entitled employees
That’s why there’s a work stoppage. Cpc wants to penalize jobs, pensions,and benefits. Try to be a little more informed before you post.
Cpc is paying you and if they have to change the business model to be competitive, they have the right to do so. That is all I need to be informed about.
Ahh yes…. the old worn out entitled employees line. How dare they want a decent wage pension and benefits. Oh… I’ll have a coke with those fries. Thank you
In what universe do you not have a decent wage/pension/benefits???
Will you get rich from any of these jobs? Not likely, but you are still better off than most. To claim it’s not even “decent” just shows how out of touch some folks have become.
decent wage, pension and benefits? If CPC open the doors for jobs and replaces all 55,000 workers. You will have a line of people applying and by the thousands.
I don’t think you guys know what is the minimum wage in Canada or at least realize the opportunity of having a job right now…..
You think the wage will even be close to what’s being paid now if CPC had their way. Min wage and rotational door of employees. Next please your due for a raise see ya
There are lots of new Canadians that would do those jobs for a lot less.
The employees shouldn’t have to pay for the company’s mismanagement.
A good chunk of the reported “losses” has nothing to do with operational losses, but is “strategic investment” that appears in the financial reports as “non-capital investment costs”, a way of writing off investments as current expenses that accounts for over half of the 2023 “loss”.
In the private sector, this is known as “tax fraud”.
3 weeks of slapstick comedy. And counting. I salute cupe and cpc. Keep up the good work. Happy holidays Happy New Year and Good health and live the life you please. Cheers!
I really love my job. I love it even more now while I am not doing it. How is it even possible? Mix feeling I guess ha!!?
I sat on Santa’s lap and was asked what I wanted for Christmas? I said to go back to work asap. Santa informed me that soon as his shifts ends, he’s going back to Ottawa because he ‘s the mediator between cupw and cpc.
Santa is the real MVP
Just found out the power grid went out in Cuba. My goodness when the Christmas break starts around Dec 17 18 give or take ,where will the executives from cupw and cpc go?
They still have Niagara falls, they will also pay for generators to power Cuba so they can enjoy their trip for screwing the members like usual.. CUPW is a professional victim, when we get arbitrated back they will cry foul and blame post office for unfair negotiations.
Actually they are hoping for govt to force us back so they can blame them again
Govt will not do it this time. cupw finance will go down down down.
I love it great answer!
Yes let out your anger and frustrations. Yes you did not ask for this work stoppage. Yes others are paid ,executives,lawyers,presidents etc. And finally Yes you are still here,living life and doing the best you can. It will get better soon,don’t let them get to you. You everyone will ride out the storm and see the sunshine.
Yes, you did ask for this work stoppage actually and of course the brass are getting paid. They have work to do.
That is true. Of the members that actually voted 95% wanted a strike. I was one of the 5% who voted no. If more people had bothered to show up and vote no, CUPW would have had to compromise. To those who were too lazy to bother, this is the result. So thanks, and I hope losing thousands of dollars was worth missing the strike votes!
I also voted NO because I knew the union would screw us again, all these brainwashed people actually believe the union cares, what a joke.. CUPW is a bunch of control freaks that should all be fired and held accountable for lost wages to the workers
That is true. CUPW only cares about being ‘right’. They don’t actually want to settle the contract. They are incapable of compromise and don’t really care that 55,000 workers are outside losing thousands of dollars each!
And you believe them that the result was 95%. I don’t!! I think it’s just a number they come up with before the votes are even cast.
I did as well I voted no and said get a new strategy.. same old is t working anymore. All I hear now from our local is hold the line it’s working, we have em where we want them. After 3 weeks ?!!! And no further along than we were on day 1!!
Agreed 100% There’s an old saying that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Go on strike until back-to-work legislation, go to binding arbitration, leave issues that can only be resolved at the bargaining table unresolved until next time, rinse, repeat.
Our union needs strategies for the current century. Where is a coordinated social media campaign to garner public support? Why are folks on a picket line where few people see them instead of calling MP’s offices? Yes, calling – dozens of messages that fill up and MPs voicemail have more of an impact than thousands of emails that can easily be ignored.
This is better than nothing, but it needs to be followed up with a telephone campaign to be fully effective:
https://www.cupw.ca/en/tell-your-mp-you-support-cupw-negotiations-canada-post
Union fools want members to wear t shirts Tommorrow on the picket lines. LOL
Horns and whistles didn’t work last time, so now a different approach.
Here’s an idea stop having clerks doing the negotiations.
They are trying to do catch up for all the losses of 20 years of incompetence!!!!
Lol what a joke, I bet you have to pay for those t-shirts they want you to wear. Lol, what a joke 😃
Wearing t shirt shows the public we are united as one. The fact the union is charging the workers for the t shirts is our way of telling the workers you can find it in your hearts and bank accounts to continue your support of the union president and cupw executives and their next vacation.
You’re pretty funny.
Thank you. I do admit I get off pointing fun at cupw and cpc. Much more too come
The Mantra ere is CUPW bad and CPC good. I get it but you keep repeating it. Please stop
Who are all the women I see at the PPC walking around laughing and smiling in the lobby and various hallways, walking laps outside in the parking lot to chat even more, lounging in the cafeteria and constantly outside smoking? What do these old veteran women do? I find it disgusting and my gut tells me it’s like this across the country.
How can you see the lobby and hallways from the picket line at PPC? Yes, you could see the cafeteria and smoking area but not anywhere else inside the building. Or maybe you snuck across the picket line to spy on them?
before the strike dummy
Oh before the strike? Those were probably PO4s who disappeared off the workfloor. Or maybe they are clerical staff. Or possibly cleaners. Maybe even support staff. Not sure why you would find women walking around disgusting but to each his own I guess.
Was the mediator paid and is still getting paid for doing nothing.
Yes! Also executives and presidents. Oh ya workers are not.
other unions workers are being paid
Don’t blame the mediator. I’m sure they feel the same as the parent of two toddlers who are throwing fits and fighting with each other. Except in this case the tantrum has lasted almost three weeks. If CUPW and Canada Post actually were serious, they wouldn’t even need a mediator. The two sides could meet and get a deal done at any time. Too bad neither side cares enough to behave like adults.
1. Health and safety – working in the dark.
– Weekend Parcel delivery helps reduce parcels and finishing earlier
-CMBs help reduce stress on the body
2. Wages compared to Fed Ex (taken from indeed)
-Starting wage for FedEx in Canada1234:
Delivery Driver: Approximately $20.85 per hour
Courier Driver: Approximately $19.65 per hour
Package Handler: Approximately $16.77 per hour
Average FedEx salary in Canada: $36,173 per year or $18.55 per hour
Check our Collective Agreement. On average hired after 2013 you will see 20.26.
Average living wage in Canada is 17.32
How is this garbage comment even allowed! Go back to your office.
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You are in correct look their contract starts at 31 up to 37 a. Hour.
check the link
https://ca.indeed.com/cmp/FedEx/salaries/Driver
Keep in mind that CUPW FT get 1/2 hour lunch paid and additional time to drive to lunch area, back from lunch area, and 5 minutes to wash your hands. Additional money for delivering flyers. All this plus having the ability to beat the time values by up to 2 hours every day. Now who else gets this? Inside employees have it even better than the competition, most of the competitions inside workers are PT and often students which also helps the bottom line and keeps the rates competitive.
Indeed also says Canada post is 18 an hour
Very accurate website…
Supervisors CPC no education starts at 70000. And a bonus of 4 percent
Never 4%, but no matter what they get, it’s a bargained and not guaranteed benefit. You know, bargaining…APOC gets what they get and don’t really complain much. Unlike the other one, never enough. Like a greedy child on Halloween
Because they end up getting whatever we get. We do the dirty work and they just sit back get their pay bumps. I wouldn’t complain much either
different pension since 2015, not loving that
Be honest with yourself, you’d still complain.
Enjoy the raise cupw gets you Mr super
It’s guaranteed. Ask a supervisor unless they got suspended they all get 4 percent. It’s like ophry at Xmas u get a bonus u get a bonus cupw you get to work 10 hrs
100% they are lying to you. I would say most tap out at 2.25% on average with the odd person, like one per depot if that, getting a 3%. Nobody gets a 4 rating, just like a food reviewer never finds the perfect meal. Also you might want to look into that as a side hustle.
That is not true. Where’d you get that load of crap. They make more than that!!
McDonald’s starting pay: $18.00 per hour.
What is your point other than that (if those figures are accurate) FedEx employees are underpaid? Should we all just work at McDonald’s? Stop wanting to catch up to inflation? Be happy with the 2% annual increases since 2020 that amount to less than half of the inflation rate during the same period?
Why should anyone just be happy with that? If you like 2% go for it. When we negotiate more forego the difference and rescind yourself back down to only 2 % I dare you
Did you miss the questions marks at the end of each sentence in my comment?
Sarcasm is lost on those who don’t read punctuation.
https://teamsters362.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/UPS-2020-2025.pdf
Ya know use the internet look up the real world wages
Look at their rate tables again. Look at the top rates for any given year compared to ours. Look at the year given for the starting base rates and index those to the annual increases since. Note that top rates are achieved after 3½ years of seniority, not 7.
UPS has a much more attractive pay scale than CPC. That’s just math.
Elon,
Canada Post workers pay $90-95 a month in union dues.
You forgot to account for that in your figures.
Plus LC deal with more than just parcels. They handle and deliver letter mail, neighborhood mail, packages and parcels.
??!
https://www.prpeak.com/sponsored/postal-workers-have-their-say-9902307
TRUTH!!
Yes yes yes
dont see the revenue of selling innovapost and sci group in that post….
Truth right here!
I think the membership needs to accept the fact that if arbitration were to happen, the best anyone can expect is a cost of living increase for each year of the contract given the financial situation of the company. My guess is the almost 12% raise offered will be more than that going forward. Can’t strong arm a broke company and no arbitration can be expected to approve deals that are not financially sustainable going forward- just common sense. I am sure there will be nay sayers who will blow the horn on the line but to all of you with that same common sense, you know this will hold true in the end.
The company is not broke; the 2024Q3 statements report consolidated cash flow of over $1 billion, and net liquidity of $127 million for the Canada Post segment. Keep in mind that over half of the reported “loss” for 2023 is something called “non-capital investment costs,” which is not related to operational losses, and is generally called “tax fraud” in the private sector, where investment in non-capital assets cannot be written off as current expenses.
Management’s “poor us” excuses for stiffing workers fall even flatter when you consider that they don’t seem to be too broke to continue to pay bonuses to the CEO and VPs.
Hi,
If this company can’t afford to pay its people a wage in line with inflation and the cost of living (somehow this is considered a big ask), then I’m completely fine with this company ceasing to exist, and all employed (from top to bottom) being out of work.
Yours truly,
JJ
same and in history, cupw is the one who initiated that and makes canadians realize how of a parasite a union can be…
If Canada Post can afford to pay bonuses to management it can afford to pay its employees a fair wage with increases that catch up to inflation.
The reality is that the financial crisis they are using as an excuse to deny that is a combination of invented (misleading financial statements that do not show operational losses) and created (gross mismanagement responsible for an incredible amount of waste).
Canada needs a national postal service, and it can be a profitable one (as it has been) with a competent CEO who sees employees as partners rather than adversaries.
Does anybody else wonder why his two stints as CEO in the private sector ended after a single term? Good CEOs usually get their contracts renewed.
But who is saying it is not sustainable? CpC is saying that based on lies and creative accounting.
I just got sober and see that my comment is no where to be found. That’s the comment that states my favorite wife of all time keeps yelling at me to go back to work now. So pls let’s get an agreement so I can go back to work. Infact I will pay cpc anything to get away from my favorite wife of all time!
Moderator do your job why allow this drivel.
Lol love it!
Cupw started strike before any volumes of mail parcels and packets came into our plants so basically we are baby sitting in front of empty buildings..this week would have been the right time to start striking…as far as unions go I’ve belonged to better
Hello, came here for the first time and now the last. I’m quite shocked at the comments and hatred here. Much of that will spill over to the work floor when we get back. It is already a contentious place to work and unfortunately the ones in charge of this situation do not experience this and are encouraging it. This is solely the reason for the inefficiencies of this company. We need to appreciate everyone’s role in this company, from management to inside workers, LC and RSMC. If we could just get it together, we would have no problem crushing competitors with our rates, reach, and customer service. Unfortunately this has been forgotten.
Disappointed 20 yr LC
Very well said
This is very true. Best comment by far.
The hatred is being fueled by management. This forum was meant to divide and get a feel for the mood of the employees during the strike. Don’t feel to bad about the subject matter. It is mostly the same people stirring up emotions so that they can cover up the real issues. Pretty gross actually.
Wrong, I’m a CUPW hater.. always have hated unions. I work for Canada Post not the union. I believe in capitalism, and I make most of my $ my own way on the side. And I’m a LC
Sure you are stimpy
Management troll
And will be skipping to the raise the union got you.
Well today and tomorrow kinda seems like the deadline if we are going back next week and maybe before Xmas.
Seems like this is the bend or break moment.
Maybe both sides can take a course in parallel parenting.
As a CP employee really want and need to go back to work. It is evident CP needs to make some changes at this point and it appears to me CUPW wants its way and cannot seem to meet half way. Not a lot of compromise on either side. I am frankly tired of this whole joke of a mediation!!!!!!!
While I would agree that both sides are being intransigent on some issues, note that between their respective first and second offers, the union dropped wage increases for the first two years by about 6%, while management increased their offer by 1.5% over four years.
Ummmm, I guess paying bills at the post office and charging your vehicle in parking lots that can’t even support CP vehicles is more important than addressing weekend delivery/7 day delivery. I guess Meatloaf got it wrong when he said 2 out of 3…it should have been 3 out of 4.
2023-2027/176
No. 60
Today, December 3, the National Executive Board met to update the Union’s response to Canada Post’s “comprehensive framework” provided on December 1, 2024.
Our response focuses on four key issues, which we need to see addressed if we are to achieve negotiated collective agreements.
Fair Wages
We have just lived through the worst cost of living crisis in a generation. The cost of basic goods – like housing, groceries, and gasoline – are still far higher than they were a few years ago.
Safe Working Conditions
Postal workers suffer the second highest rate of disabling injury among workers under federal jurisdiction, behind only the road transportation sector. Growing Neighbourhood Mail volumes and changing work methods like Separate Sort from Delivery (SSD) are only making things worse.
We need Canada Post to live up to its word and make worker health and safety the priority it says it is. Carriers need time to prepare and deliver Neighbourhood Mail, so they aren’t overburdened, and real fixes to problems like late start times so they aren’t working in the dark.
Retiring with Dignity
All workers deserve the right to retire with dignity, and for us that means postal workers – present and future – maintain their defined benefit pension plan. Our pensions should not have been on the bargaining table in the first place. Our pension plan is overfunded, and Canada Post has enjoyed a pension contribution holiday since May 2023, which will most likely continue into 2025. In its recent financial reports, Canada Post has suggested that our defined benefit pension plan is contributing to their financial issues, but the numbers don’t add up. Our pensions aren’t the problem.
Expansion of Public Postal Services
The public cherishes its post office and would like Canada Post to offer more services to better serve communities. It’s mind-boggling that Canada Post has yet to implement some of the successful services that other postal operators around the world have been running for years.
That’s why we are demanding Canada Post commit to working with the Union to expand services at the post office including postal banking and electric vehicle charging stations.
Your Support Matters
Your Negotiators are ready to return to the bargaining table and get back to the work of negotiating good collective agreements. The Committees thank all members for your actions and support from the picket lines. It is clearly making a difference!
We are 55,000 strong, and Together We are Unstoppable
In Solidarity,
Jan Simpson
National President
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Unstoppable. You will be stopped when WE decertify the unions at CPC.
Zero chance. Wake up.
More like unreasonable and unbelievable. CUPW can’t compromise and can’t negotiate contracts. They can help all their members lose thousands of dollars in wages, and help Canada Post lose millions in business. They only want to be ‘right’ at any cost. If the two sides are close on wages and the DB pension, why can they not sign off on this so we can get back to work? Then they could send the unresolved issues like weekend work or SSD to arbitration. I’m sure 90% of members would agree!
SSD already went to arbitration. The corp won, we lost.
Dumb! 👎🏿
CUPW has obviously never run a business. Most e-commerce and retail businesses operate on 7 days a week deliver to customers.
The union has not even responded back to Canada Post about including weekend deliveries.
If this deal is going to happen, the union will need to agree to 7 days straight time for processing facilities and letter carrier depots. No more extra OT, RDO or premium pay for weekends would help reduce the excess payroll.
Right now, I don’t see either side getting closer to a collective agreement.🤪
So true! Our union wants to go back to the 80’s or even 70’s. Too bad all of our competition is in 2024. Is it possible for CUPW to wake up? Or do 55,000 workers just keep losing thousands outside while our execs keep doing nothing!
7 day delivery of parcels was an after thought by upper upper management about a month before we went on strike. He had an epiphany that if we worked more we would make more money. That wasn’t enough though. Now they want to pay it all at straight time using our lowest paid employees. Another reason 2 tiered wages should never happen.
Utilizing the casual list for weekend delivery would make the most sense. Giving hrs to those that are on the bench will entice them to stay and ride it out till a full time position opens up. CP gets the weekend delivery at straight time. Win win IMO. How much $ is squandered hiring and training new hires for them to not get any hrs and end up quitting?
Not creating permanent positions for weekend delivery means fewer positions overall, which means longer waits for on-calls to become permanent.
As an on-call who intends to remain one, I know what I signed up for, and taking positions away from permanent employees ain’t it, nor is reducing the number of permanent positions that will ultimately be available to on-calls who want them.
Yup, the union wants to profit with a failed postal Banking model, and make money off EV Chargers instead of getting us what we deserve.. This strike is a load of crap, and the union holding us hostage and Canadians. They will force us back and CUPW will play victim saying the corporation did NOT want to negotiate fairly.. Just part of their plan..again
How is postal banking a failed model when it hasn’t been done in Canada? It has been successful in other countries.
Need to get back to work. The 2 sides should get on with it!! This supposed “mediation” obviously not working whatsoever!!
Fair wages
Yes we should have fair wages, I’m not sure what you consider fair however a company has to be able to afford those wages. 11% let the members decide.
Safe Working Conditions
I remember CUPW fighting against SLB implementation which happens to be incredibly safe compared to home delivery. Where was CUPW looking out for safety when the company was changing over? SLBs are a controlled environment, CPC contractors clear them, less opportunities for slips and falls, less chance of interactions with dogs, no walking saves knees, hips and shoulders so we can Retire with Dignity. This was a financial decision by CUPW because we would loose union dues to attrition.
Expansion of Postal Services
With your concerns that CPC is spending money on new electric vehicles and processing centers you believe they should increase spending on charging stations at their postal outlets so customers can charge while they buy stamps? Where are the CUPW customer survey results that show what services customers want from Canada Post? Where is the financial analysis CUPW has conducted for these projects?
Your Support Matters
Show the membership your support by staying at the table or allowing a vote on the next offer.
SLB ? Are you sure you know what you’re talking about?
SLB= Street Letter Boxes.
Don’t you mean CMBs. Community Mail Boxes
We understood what he/she meant.
they also said they REMEMBER, therefore they are a long time employee and at one time SLBs were new. so many people with no reading or critical thinking skills. no wonder we are in this mess.
Management post
Nice try soupy. CMBs just give routes 3 times as many points of call. More repetitive strain injuries. Try folding those giant flyers into 1300 mail slots a day. Just do it one day. Then add 7 more sets of flyers and mail and parcels and customers breathing down your neck waiting for their mqail. Throw in uncleared snow at CMB sites or maybe a heavy rain just for giggles. By the way you still have to stand there for 8 hours. So don’t preach health and safety. It is all about saving you money.
They found out the money they saved on attrition cost them more in injuries on duty. Attrition is just a fancy word for not having proper staff. People leave, they leave a hole. Now everyone still there has to collectively fill that hole. Sounds easy until a bunch of people retire and now that hole is a pit.
Omg! Are you really attempting to make the argument of standing and putting admail in 1300 boxes is difficult or strenuous? At the worst it’s just boring. This is why posties are known as whiners.
Typical manager. Shrug off all reason and end with name calling. Remember when you couldn’t do the job? You know, before they promoted you because they couldn’t find anything that you could do. That’s why supervisors are known as (insert name here)
Walking across lawns, jumping over snow banks along driveways and crashing through people’s bushes is far safer than CMBs. It’s no wonder people dislike CPC, the employees are entitled, greedy whiners.
And yet you defend every member in a safety interview, have refused to allow telematics as a safety measure to protect your members and refuse to attend any and all safety measures put on by the company
Why not start with an EV charging station at CUPW head office? Then the union can find out first hand if they’re profitable.
Let the union start with EV charging stations at CUPW head office and then we’ll see if they’re profitable.
So CPC. What’s your response to the new offer from cupw ???? Why haven’t you told the media an offer came in
EV chargers, ex change solidoottttt
Why would you put this on Canada post? CUPW can do their own media, as a 30yr paying member I can tell you they have done an abysmal job of it, like their “negotiating”
Why do they need to pump their tires? Offer is probably weak
CUPW STILL FAILS TO RESPOND TO THE ISSUE OF WEEKEND DELIVERY SERVICE WHICH MOST CUSTOMERS BECAUSE OF THE URGENCY OF THE DELIVERY OF IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS, PASSPORTS, VISA APPLICATIONS AND OTHER TIME-SENSITIVE ITEMS.
CANADA POST CANNOT COMPLETE WITH OTHER COURIER SERVICES THAT OPERATE ON A 7 DAYS A WEEK SYSTEM.
YOU WILL NEED TO DO BETTER CUPW IN GIVING UP SOME CONCESSIONS. THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS NOT ON YOUR SIDE AND IS NOT LIKELY TO FORGIVE FOR YOUR SELFISH ACTIONS.😡🤬🤬🤬🤬
Marone a mia
What a joke.
Absolutely pathetic and embarrassing as an employee (that I’m still aware of) to be stuck in the middle of two sides that can’t figure out a deal after more than a YEAR!! Thank you both for ruining our busiest season and putting us all in jeopardy of losing our jobs.
100 percent agree- like being held hostage by 2, moronic tantrum throwing children
You are not stuck in the middle. You belong to CUPW who represents you and who you pay dues to.
New update on the CUPW site. They have finalized their offer. Wow, it took how many days to do this. Glad that they rushed it to the Mediator. Glad that they are not in a hurry. It’s not like anyone wants to go back to work.
Yes and why could they not send a copy of their offer to Canada Post directly? In fact, if both sides actually want a deal, they could meet at any time even without a mediator. It almost seems that CUPW cares more about being right than the 55,000 members out in the cold losing thousands of dollars each. Let alone the public or small businesses Lol!
CUPW has been asking for the same things for more than a year. Only now is CPC starting to listen. No arbitration is coming. Make a deal CPC!
Not going to happen, since CUPW refuses to address the issue about flexible weekend deliveries.
Good luck🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
No arbitration, better for cpc.
Can everyone hear that sucking sound, Thats the USA absorbing all that Capital from all the desperate people all over the world and you know what I think its a good investment.
Another productive day at the table 👏👏👏! Well done , wonder what was catered in for Wednesday’s lunch and diner 🤔
Smoked salmon and fois gras
I am thrilled to graduate from three weeks of canada post strike. And like you,I hope to have the opportunity to graduate from the next three weeks of Canada Post strike! Really? Seriously?
You can always “graduate” to amazon employment if you prefer the race to the bottom.
Well if Canada Post was smart they could have put out their own e-commerce to make up for all the lost Amazon deliveries.
This comment does not make sense
What does that even mean? They were often doing a million parcels a day in the last couple years
Would everybody just stop bullying the presidents and executives of cupw and cpc. You know these are well educated people with years of experience, they know what they are doing. Thats why we have a fair collective bargain agreement that we all can live with. Sarcasm ?you think!
LOL!!! Well, they are just reaping what they sow! They set the tone by training all their minions to target and harass employees. Now it’s just coming back around.
I bet you are a great employee
We are about to graduate from 3 weeks of strike. We’ve had tons of comments . Now will we have opportunity to make more comments in the next 4 ,5 ,6 weeks or more or will we graduate back to work.
Lmfao
The labour minister said the canada post strike is disrespectful to canadians. Wow. Talk about the obvious. Just goes to show he is the smartest person he ever met.
A legitimate Canadian Union exercising their legal rights is disrespectful… WOW!
Some optimism on Sunday night completely destroyed this week .. they are still not even close enough for a medaitor to come back. No end in sight nice again. Its over people, all over.
It’s also disrespectful to the postal workers who didn’t vote for strike action or were lied to by CUPW.
What did CUPW lie about?? And bring receipts!
That is true. I was one of the 5% who voted against the strike. If more of us had stood up and voted against the strike CUPW would have had to compromise. But to all the people who were too lazy to even bother voting; please don’t complain!
Beautiful comment!
Exactly, I also went to vote NO, to a strike, but I know that there were many that didn’t bother. So, true, don’t complain. You should have made your voice heard when you had the chance.
I voted against strike also, and a lot of people did. Remember they counted the votes themselves so who’s to say the numbers are accurate when you can cheat your own vote.. No way they got 95% they’ve lied to us for years
I voted NO to strike, and know quite a few went and voted NO as well. I have zero confidence that the strike votes were counted fairly or counted at all. Sadly, we’ll never know.
I tried to vote, BUT I was NOT given a ballot- BECAUSE I was forced to listen to a propaganda laced (waste of time) meeting, and I refused- SO a number of us left- Until cupw throws this outdated, antiquated rule out of their constitution- Then a number of us will keep refusing to vote
He will probably lose his pension if they call an election so he’s mad he will lose 120000. A year pension for life
Can someone answer a question. If someone went out on STD before the strike, are they still covered or is that STD canceled?
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According to the Nov. 15 , 2024 Statement of the Terms and Conditions of Employment- CUPW URBAN , STDP : stopping the payment of STDP claims with a date of disability prior to the effective date of these terms and conditions. So no , unfortunately we are no longer covered for STDP or any benefits or medications as long as we are still out . No thanks to either CPC or CUPW 😆 .
Everything is cancelled, no contract, no benefits or STDP…
That’s what I thought, thanks for the replies.
The STDP is cancelled, as it falls under the collective agreement. However, if you were on STDP before the strike, you may be eligible for EI depending what is indicated as the reason for not working on you ROE. If it indicates strike/lockout, you will not be. Otherwise, you should be able to file a claim for EI sickness benefits, as would anybody on medical leave who is not covered by an employer-provided plan.
You are correct STDP gets the money from EI you apply for EI but get paid from CP. You will get paid by one or the other.
There are two points that I don’t fully understand – I’m sure if I’m confused, others are too.
1. Why does the NEB consider part-time positions as less valuable than full-time? When I worked part-time, I was not committing to full-time employment – I have not always been able to work 40 hours a week – having the ability to work part-time was valuable to me and still is for many people (while going to school, managing family, etc.).
2. Do members understand that their pensions will not change? Members’ pensions are not up for negotiation, yet the messaging suggests that they are (“Retiring with Dignity”). Potential new hires may not have the same pension, but isn’t that in keeping with the whole of the Canadian workforce/economy where most companies no longer offer a Defined Benefit plan?
Hence, part-timers and casuals are not as important than full-timers to the union.
Regardless of your work classification, CUPW makes everyone pay the same amount for union dues each month.
Working as a part-timer or casual is more flexible for Canada Post but CUPW doesn’t want that.
Frankly, I think part-time or casual work on weekends help university or college students earn money to supplement their tuition fees. It also helps retired postal workers to still keep active while enjoying retirement.
CUPW needs to bend a little on the flexibility of the weekend deliveries.
Work at a gas station then. Get a gig job. Drive an Uber. PT work decays the economy. Unions are here to protect FT jobs and give people security from harrassment and favoritism. I still to this day will not call an Uber for transportation. Scabbed out one of the worst jobs on the world. Taxi driver.
Union is promoting GIGAFY UNITED, that they are part of. Looking for some sort of VICTORY
The labour market is changing, and there is more demand for a work-life balance. I know several letter carriers with young families who would have to quit if they could not work part time. Many of them may go full time in the future when their kids are older, but they won’t be around to do so if good part-time jobs are not available now. This is no longer a one-size-fits-all workforce.
Part-time work at Canada post is not gig work, and suggesting that those who may not wish to put their jobs before their families or personal lives should work at a gas station or drive an Uber (which I will never use either) is frankly condescending.
The union is here to protect and represent all of its members, including those who choose not to be full-time. Agreed that the priority should remain the retention of full-time jobs so that they are there for those who want them, but the balance needs to be adjusted to reflect the realities of today’s labour market.
We have way to many temps and PT now. These are half jobs. We don’t want them. Look into casino windsors staffing. They kept saying that they needed more PT to fill the unusual needs of a 24 hour operation. Not sure of their numbers now but I wouldn’t be surprised that it is worse than 50% FT.
Do you want split shifts so you go home for 2 hours and come back and finish your shift? We have PT routes less than 3 hours per day. That is not a job. That is a hobby.
CUPW is trying to negotiate the terms for weekend work. They also want more full-time workers. CPC wants a race to the bottom where we’re all amazon style gig workers, that are temporary contract employees with no benefits.
All regular work should be done by regular employees. What CPC is trying to do with weekend deliveries is staff them with gig workers instead of permanent full-time or part-time positions. On-calls like myself are meant to cover absences of regular employees and supplement the permanent workforce during peak periods, period.
Agreed that CUPW does need to bend a little in the balance between full-time and part-time positions to reflect the changing labour market, but not to the point of replacing those positions with casual labour. Keep in mind that everybody starts on-call, and the fewer permanent positons there are, the longer the wait for those who want to become permanent employees.
Full-time work is preferred by most.
If past CUPW members didn’t fight to get/keep DB pension, you wouldn’t have it now. And your extended medical benefits will cost more if you retire after 2026, which is the vast majority of us. Once your benefits are lost, it will be a lot harder to get them back.
Union has been doing a great job with zero gains in twenty years for urban!!
Full-time work may be preferred by most, but not to the same extent as it was decades ago. It should also be noted that one of the original reasons to oppose the creation of part-time positions no longer applies, as part-timers now have the same pay scale and benefits as full-timers.
The ratio specified in Appendix “P” §1(b) needs to be adjusted to reflect the realities of the 21st century, not the 20th century.
Again, you can get a PT job anywhere, anytime. If facts matter, than look at the facts. PT workers should be to fill the un avoidable voids only. The union is here to protect real positions. I am not being condescending. I am looking to the future of the economy.
Agreed that sorting plants that run 24/6 should be more heavily staffed by full-timers, but even there, the balance should reflect the growing demand for good part-time jobs in a labour market that is increasingly focused on work-life balance.
There is simply not the same need for full-time positions in delivery depots, where the work is more concentrated in a shorter time-frame. Where I last worked the morning shift, there are 4 full-time and 4 part-time PO4s. After the lates are sorted, there is simply nothing to do to justify a shift towards more full-timers.
When we went on strike, I was covering an afternoon shift for a part-timer on leave. The consolidation there is a 4-hour job (should be 6 on Mondays,and that’s where management is cutting corners at the expense of workers and efficiency) that simply does not justify an 8-hour shift.
One size does not fit all. CUPW needs to drop its decades-old dogma that almost all work should be done by full-timers while continuing to fight for permanent positions for all regular work. Agreed that on-calls like myself should be used to fill the voids created by absences and peak periods, not to replace (or avoid creating) permanent positions.
That said, I pay the same union dues that you do, and am entitled to the same representation of my needs and interests, within the context of what I signed up for.
The reality is that “fact matter” is management, not the casual employee he/ she pretends to be. Gross.
Cute variation on the maga “anybody I disagree with is a communist” nonsense.
If you actually read my comments here, you will see that I am heavily critical of management and have called out much of their b.s. You might also notice that I have posted the link below a couple of times, because management surely wants us all to write our MPs in support of our demands.
https://www.cupw.ca/en/tell-your-mp-you-support-cupw-negotiations-canada-post
But do tell us how that’s just a ruse to convince you that I’m “one of us”. Sorry that you seem to have trouble with the concept that supporting our union does not mean dogmatically agreeing with leadership on every single point.
What do you think? Let’s form our own company. No union dues. Fair wages…and so forth.
What Canada Post does wrong on a executive level is .they make Capital investments then don’t utilize them. The Albert Jackson Plant can be considered a Computer which depreciates quickly.
By Not Closing Gateway and Capitalizing on this investment. Instead of it being a Benefit its a liability 500 mil @ 5% Plus cost to operate AlbertJ. Guesstimate $50 Mil annually interest and operating costs. And thats just one of the bigger items.
What about the selling of innovapost and sci group? Those were included in the financial report. So you will report and hide things that makes your business look better?
Just like the out of date RPOS system in retail. It was installed back in 2020, now it’s useless.
A $500 million white elephant. Albert Jackson barely operates at half the rated sorting rate. More mismanagement from the executives, but they’ll still get their bonuses!
Only 17 days left till all negotiations will be put on hold till the new year. Not looking too good. Never in 100 years did I think I’d have to hit the food bank.
Lots of the PO4’s could stand to lose a few. This is like a Christmas Bonus CPC style.
What are you talking about?
PO4 is a difficult job too. Try working graveyard and early 3 am morning shifts.
Being a PO4 is not just about sorting, scanning and lifting parcels off the belt.
lol
Is that why all the po4 are struggling to walk the picket line? Just slouching beach chairs beside the propane heaters
Physically dragging your exhausted body to a plant at 3am doesn’t consist of hard work. It sucks nonetheless and attributes to the lack of self care and healthiness.
There are PO4’s with canes and walkers, I’m sure they’re benefitting the corporation with low productivity. Looks like an old age home with them and the article 54’s that get accommodated. They should be on long term not draining CPC and not allowing new employees to get a job or part timers and Casuals to be promoted
Sorry sonny. I walked for 30 years. Now I need this cane. Sorry I am displacing your position. You seem like such a nice boy. I hope you never have to hear such dispersions from junior staff in 30 years from now after you have walked hundreds of thousands of miles.
Give me a break
Yea that’s what they said
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Because before the strike you made a good wage that allowed you to purchase the necessities of life. So, 24% increase isn’t a little much?
Looks like they’re gonna close the doors In January. Apparently Canadians can get everything delivered without us.
Now where will we get a job now?? Amazon? Nah we ain’t efficient enough for them.
CUPW members who voted Yes will go work at Amazon and like it better…. until they come back home crying
The members who don’t want to fight for better jobs should go to amazon. Don’t know where management will go, amazon is smart enough not to take on incompetent dead weight!
Especially management that couldn’t cut it in the private sector, where successful CEO’s usually get their contracts renewed – not shown the door after four years. Twice.
Well then half of CUPW won’t get hired by Amazon either…they want workers!
When I worked at a sorting plant, I had a co-worker who had worked at Amazon. She is a very good good worker, and left Amazon because not being able to go to the toilet when you need to does not make someone a good worker, it makes them a servant.
I have met my share of lazy Canada Post workers, but they are not anywhere close to half of us. The overwhelming majority of co-workers I have worked with are diligent and have the same work ethic and sense of responsibility to the mail (if not necessarily the company or its management) that I do.
IT IS A METAPHOR , WHAT I AM SAYING , ONLY THE PRESIDENT CAN PUSH THE NUCLEAR BUTTON THE UNION IS NOT IN A POSITION TO TELL CANADA POST HOW IT SHOULD INVEST OR MANAGE THE CORPORATION AND LIKE A LAWYER INTEGRITY AND KNOWLEDGE ARE PARAMOUNT .
AT THIS TIME THE POSTAL STRIKE IS CAUSING FINANCIAL HARDSHIP TO ITS WORKFORCE AND FRUSTRATING CANADIANS .
CUPW PRESIDENT AND HER CRONIES NEED TO GO BACK TO SCHHOOL AND GET EXTENSIVE EDUCATION , SHE IS ADDING GASOLINE TO THE FIRE , THE COUNTRY IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A SEMI RECESSION .
I LOVE LAMP!!!!
bring on the recession and we will see how many cupw members will still say we are unstoppable. they will come begging for work
All of Canada NEEDS a recession and a great reset. In case anyone hasn’t noticed the entire country is broken across all sectors and government levels. Things need to get BAD for all Canadians before they can get good again.
I agree 100%
So what are you saying, when the going gets tough… you cave, you fold, you compromise further than you think you should? This is when it gets real, this is what collective bargaining looks like. You fight when it’s time to fight. Sometimes it isn’t easy, and can be actually painful, but unfortunately that’s part of being a union and fighting for a contract you think is worth fighting for.
Amen!
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CPC management should go to school, one that teaches them something about how to management, instead of just bully tactics.
You realize people doing the negotiations are carriers and clerks. Lucky to have grade 12
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So what!? At least they know the jobs they’re negotiating for having done them. How many cpc execs have even half a clue of we deal with everyday?
You could explain to an 8 year old in 10 mins how to do the job, no skill required.
This. 👏👏👏😁😁😁😁
Past contracts were all
About rollbacks, $1000 signing bonus? Gone…. Flyer pay? Cut in half… I want a refund from CUPW!
Cupw is broke
Refund? How about an increase in dues? I see it happening
NO for increase…
You’re exactly right. I wonder how much money they are going to take this time?
The past contracts were about trojan horse offers, such as a signing bonus with “flex time”. That is, supervisor’s ability to increase or decrease your daily hours at their whim. That’s not the flex time every other Canadian know of, and that some benefit from…
Here are a few thoughts. PSAC, CUPE, IBEW, Teamsters all post their financial statements publically. You can see what the leadership makes, where money is spent etc. But there are no financial statements available for CUPW…none. Why is that?
Which takes us to the second point. CUPW members wages are about 60% of the CPC budget. Management salaries are a small part of the CPC budget compared to CUPW.
Addressing the present Mantra that Management is the big expense…….eliminating all management and executive jobs will not cover the overall increases of CUPW asks… How much is really enough? I don’t think there is a reasonable member in the CUPW negotiating team. There is an old fairy tale….the goose that laid the golden egg….well CUPW, you are really trying hard to kill the goose. I need to pay my mortgage.
There are, but you have to be an actual cupw member to see them.
I’ve seen the expenses for my CUPW union local.
Most of the money wasted on building mortgage, committee, conference, education, and retreats.
Plus, donations to social causes and charities like 🇵🇸 and 🇨🇺
Hang in there bud it’s going to work out for you in the and talk to your bank they will help you out with your mortgage
60%? Not possible. 40% of CPC budget wasted on capital projects like the Albert Jackson plant. Management doesn’t work for free, but it seems like the quality we get with all this mismanagement.
Have you seen how many directors
How many managers
VPs
Superintendents
Geez
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Canada post salaries:
CEO -450,000.00 per year
Board Directors (there’s 13 of them )-125,000.00 ea
VP (there are 15 of them)- 300,000.00 ea
GM (there are 71 of them) -270,000.00 ea
DIR (there are 316 of them -125,000.00 ea
Manager (there are 472 of them)-91,306.00
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Superintendent (there are 732 of them) -85,000.00 ea
Supervisor (there are 2682 of them) -69,490.00 ea
All of these members of management still manage to get hefty bonuses on top of their yearly salary. Then they have the nerve to claim that Canada post is financially floundering.
Investments of 470 millions dollars for a new processing plant in Scarborough and a billion dollars on an electric fleet (which are sitting untouched in parking lots) are not considered losses, they are investments.
Don’t believe all that you hear about the post office in the news!
Gee… not many replies to the figures you quoted for management. I guess the whiners on this forum complaining about how much postal workers make and its cost to cpc dont like the facts. What a surprise.
Nothing but crickets. When the numbers are right on the table it shuts up the trolls. Good job
Corruption at it’s best! And I heard the CEO is also one of the Board of directors in Purolator?
https://www.cupw.ca/sites/default/files/Report%20of%20the%20National%20Board%20of%20Trustees%20%282023%29.pdf
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We should all be good with money right now. Last cheque was more than usual, this small cheque is also including 3 Strike pay cheques.
Hold the line!
We need EV Chargers for the Hipsters.
Hold the Line !
Who are you tell anyone they should be good?? You don’t know ppls stories or what’s going on in there life. I work pay chq to pay chq at the moment so no, I’m not good.
CHAMP! Right on brother 👊🏼🫶👊🏼 SOLIDARITY ~ HOLD THE LINE!!!
People should have been preparing for this ALL YEAR! Did none of you pay attention and PREPARE! What did you think was gonna happen.
YOUR UNION has been telling you to prepare and get ready to fight for a year! It is your own fault of you so not prepare! Let’s unite and push this until Valentines Day! Hold the line fight fight fight!!!
my local told us nothing.
Really? You didnt hear anything or figure it out on your own? Well… dont drink and drive. Now you know. Dont say no one told you.
i do my best to focus on my job rather than get involved with the union bullies, quite honestly. and our executive chose to stop warning about a potentially long strike. another reflection of CUPWs amazing leadership skills. what do all of these educationals actually teach people? they never actually help when it is needed unless you are part of their ‘mean girls’ tribe. clearly the union is not teaching negotiating skills at all of these amazing educationals either.
It is abundantly clear that the government is fully aware of the company’s inability to survive under its current model.
It is also evident that the government recognizes an arbitrator is unlikely to implement the significant changes required to address these systemic issues.
With Christmas already impacted, it seems apparent that legislative intervention is not forthcoming. Instead, it appears the company is strategically waiting out the union, anticipating that strike pay limitations will eventually lead to internal dissent.
Unfortunately, this approach seems to be bearing fruit, as signs of a revolt have already begun to surface among union members.
Let it sink
You have a way with words.
They said cpc is down a billion already. 14 working days. How can they not be making money? There is only 55000 of us. Where is all the money going that you expect a billion dollars in 14 days and you are in the negative?
Where? Can you back that up with some proof?
The negotiating process would go much quicker if the executive team received the same percentage of pay as CUPW is getting as a strike pay in proportion to their regular salary…
Maybe that should be enshrined also in the Canada Labour Code.
No, it will really speedup, if they put tent outside and do it, instead they are doing it in five star hotel.
The CUPW had failed us. 1 week without even talking. None of us are working at all and we need to. 280 a week to stand in the cold and talk about nothing, but drink the Kool aid on how we will win won’t do anything actually. People are really upset at us, and the CP will wait until the gov will legislate us. Most workers like myself want to go back to work because Christmas is ruined
Hello, postie,
I wholeheartedly agree with your first sentence. I voted “no” for this strike. I feel awful for our customers. If there is no compromise, I really hope that Trudeau will cave in and do something finally about it. Best wishes, postie.
The huge machines at south central are whats called a Capital Investment, What Competition in Canada has them zero. We have to get more Product into them, South central is highly efficient . process it get it ready for the mailman including admail.
Gateway should be closed. Canada post has only briefly EVER made money in parcels in its History and weekend delivery won’t do it . Just by having both Gateway and Albert Jackson open at the same time is mismanagement of Capital and creates huge loses.
Well, not for management. They still get their bonuses!
Since the two sides are closer on wages and maybe some other things, why not come up with ways to test the weekend delivery doing it in several different ways. This could just go for a few months and then they can both decide which one works that both sides can live with. I think the problem is that both sides believe that whatever they agree to now they have to live with for the duration of the contract. The best way would be to try it and get feedback from the delivery agent to see if it works or not. Even SpaceX does test flights. They learn and adopt. Why can’t we.
That would mean management has to do work. They don’t want to analyze and revisit this issue.
I hope the government takes immediate action to legislate us back to work, as the uncertainty is stressing us all.
After tomorrow’s small paycheck, we won’t see another one until a month later after we go back to work, which will cause financial strain for most of us.
The reality is that most are being trained to stand on the picket lines as the executives and presidents “muppets.” screaming solidarity at the media. The locals are encouraging you to do this. The truth is, you are only there for the $280 strike pay. That is the way we are being controlled and manipulated. Think hard about it.
My question is: would you still be out there if the union wasn’t paying you?
Nope
Many are not out there, not even with a union pay, because all of us already pay the union for them to do their job, and they haven’t… we want a refund from the union!
Agreed!!
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Gary…it’s called solidarity. Whether getting paid to walk strike line or not, it’s still called solidarity. Wake up or resign.
solidarity? where are the 50K other members? 50k other members would rather go work another part time job i guess
Wake up or resign?? We have paid the union a heck of alot of money to negotiate deals for us. It’s been over a year and here we are out of work for 3 weeks now at a crucial time of year. We should just shut up, suck it up or resign?? Really? Yeah that’s a great answer CUPW!!
CUPW mindset right there
Yea because Canada Post has not been counting on the gov to order us back the hell with our rites
Less than 100 picketers at Gateway, the largest facility in Canada…strong solidarity, Blues Man.
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@Gary….YES!
Because, unlike you, who seems to loved to be screwed by your company, some of us are willing to fight for what’s right! Some of us think being paid wages near the poverty line (actually UNDER the poverty line when you factor in union dues and pension payments) is not right for a government agency that is servicing millions of Canadians in the 2nd largest country in the world. Some of us believe the hot air being blown our way with regards to safety measures is just that, as we’re forced to “adapt” to SSD and working (ie. walking) in the dark. Some of us feel we should fight for the future of the company, and the future employees, just like the past members fought for what WE have now! Some of us feel that, as management has driven this company into the ground, shouldn’t be taken out on the workers who were just doing the job they were told to do.
Some of us are not cowards, Gary.
Bob is right. We need to fight for what is right. For example I for one do not want to forego route ownership. Everyone give that one a real think. Everyday you come you don’t know what route your doing, business residential cpus???? starting later and later in the day. How’s that for even more stress on all. Who thinks this garbage up? In what universe could that ever be perceived as viable?
Here here!
Yes
Plain and simple. Provide each and every employee FREE of rent houses close to their stations. All problems solved.
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Only resolution here is for the government to force us back to work. Today or tomorrow it will happen . This in-family conflict has to end now!
Im sure that’s what 90% of us our here are hoping for. The two sides have once again proven they’re incapable of compromise. We know the CUPW execs are not out walking the line, that’s for sure!
We need complete restructuring of canada post, not working this way with labour disruptions every other year.
I AGREE!!! This whole company should be looked at by Auditor General or someone like that. The same should be done to the union side as well. Everyone can see that both sides are dysfunctional and the Canadian Public, especially small businesses are paying the price.
It’s been six years, but thanks for coming out.
Last disruption was 2018. You must of been in a coma the last 5 years.
And the one previous to that was 2011.
I think there is room for improvement with postal service,maybe a total restructuring of the company from top to bottom. It’s not working this way when we have to deal with labour disruptions every other year.
Parcels Please, The Parcel division is the reason for CPC Loses, RE Priority Post. Plus even CP admitted it won’t work.
One of the top brass ( whose name cannot be mentioned or this post will not see the light of day) mentioned 7 day delivery for the first time as a way to bring more profit to cpc about a month before the strike. I know this is true because my coworkers and I said ” finally, a good idea”. Seemed like a slam dunk until we discovered that he wants it all to be funded as straight time with temps and PT help. In doing so all the Monday parcels would be gone which in turn would lead to reduction in FT weekday staff. Now weekend parcel delivery seems to be a sticking point for negotiation somehow. They don’t even know that it is worth the manpower yet. This last minute idea has so far cost $765 million since November 15th. Another huge management fumble
Agree they fumbled The MOLCR machines at SCLPP, The Albert Jackson Plant, Then in the annual report they said Parcels are Labour and real estate intensive ( CODE FOR UNPROFITABLE) Now they plan to spend more money on the losing parcel division.
I bet the numbers don’t add up on weekend delivery.
CHAOS when we get back and more RED INK. They have No real Plan!
They have a plan. They plan to increase their bonuses!
We should send a message to cupw every one stay home from .HOLD THE LINE to show that we are not happy with the way things are maybe that would kick start cupw in the right direction .let’s do it this friday
Sure ITS Canada Post the bullies solidarity
Yes
After my 4 hrs for strike pay that I won’t see for another month.. then I’ll go home to protest
Give your head a shake. We finally have an opportunity to have collective bargaining , and you want to give up already. You shoudn’t have applied for a union job.
People applied for the job because it’s good pay…..
Then let’s fight to keep it good!
No way
Without cupw
We have minimum wage no benefits
It’s is time Canada Post stood up and took care of the employees that stood and took care of Canada during COVID. For all that think we are obsolete, then why you all crying. Canada Post is your service. Our jobs. Not paid by tax dollars. We will Infact pay the government dividends yearly. It’s time the fat cats at the top slim back on the bonuses and take care of us the worker. Perhaps if we had the respect we deserve. The public would understand. However to put it in perspective. Have your employer take away your retirement and benefits 40 weeks to your 36 year with them. That puts a bit of a wrinkle in plans. But maybe you would be okay if your employer took your job, livelihood and future all with the strike of a pen. You are now left with nothing. So put it in perspective. These are our jobs. Our families reply on us to provide, just like you do.
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What?
Canada Post is up for several awards in 2025. They are favorite in the categories of Comedy sitcom,Comedy relief,Outstanding actors in a strike. And wait for it..how to successfully negotiate for over a year and still not come up with an agreement.so far. Since there is no other competition, they are guaranteed to win. Congrats to Canada Post and Cupw ,the trophies will be delivered …eventually.
Haha that’s actually really funny and original. Awesome comment!
I wonder if they’ll make Mcleans top 100 companies to work for.
McCleans top 100 list Canada Post? When they are on strike or not?
If the concern is a two tiered system of employees for weekend delivery part time vs full time why not convert the full time relief carriers into weekend delivery agents? They can work Saturday and Sunday and have week day RDOs the same as we have in the plant. During the winter when parcels are heavy they can work weekends, during the summer when we have high annual and lower volumes they can mostly work Monday to Friday. The highest days of absences are Mondays and Fridays so give then Tuesday-Thursday RDOs when they would be sitting on the bench.
I like this! It should be 4 days 40 hours too. Friday-Monday. Friday and Monday are both scheduled at eight hours but Saturday and Sunday are both scheduled at 12 hours straight time.
They would still work 8 hours a day but would either have RDOs on Tuesday & Wednesday, Wednesday & Thursday or Tuesday & Thursday. 40 hours 5 days but working weekends. This is what we do in the plant.
You should go and sit at the negotiating table.
“Being a postal worker, it’d be very hard on the body. Those letter carriers work very hard,” he said. “Sorting mail on your feet is very difficult. So having good benefits for postal workers is quite important given the nature of the work.”
CUPW says issue 1- wages, the best time to have negotiated this was right before the strike, your not gonna get a better offer now after hurting the employer, 2- safety they neglected this issue when they were romancing the rsmc and then extended the contract when this issue was festering, now they want to correct their failure. Talking expanded services like charging stations and postal banking has us questioning your leadership. You have cost us financially put added stress on our families, and turned a job that once was considered essential into irrelevant.
The whining me generation. You slept in, left your house late, skipped breakfast. Now you are driving at a dangerous pace ignoring everything that is telling you to slow down. You yell at red traffic lights and people that stop for them. So sit in your car and scream and blow your horn. You earned it.
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Yeah, daily life of someone in CPC management! Curse and swear at others like a brat if you don’t get your way!
Last number I read was 765 million dollars that cpc has lost since November 15th. Now for a company that is crying poor, that is a pretty big number. Who is kidding who here? This company has a license to print money with its monopoly on mail. Alot of people need to be fired for embezzling and corruption. We are looking in the wrong direction if you think it’s the union reps.
There’s a post office in every tiny town, paying union wages and costing maintenance, property taxes, utilities, etc.
Our infrastructure is massive and expensive, as are our operating costs.
We have an overstaffed and under productive workforce. Most routes get paid for 7h and work 3h. Most post office clerks sit around 3/4 of the day.
We have a huge segment of employees that are constantly off on leave collecting benefits.
We have a bloated management team being well paid and doing irrelevant pet projects.
Canada Post cannot tackle any of these issues because of one entity, CUPW.
You painted it all with that tiny little brush did ya? Operating costs are manageable if properly managed. If everyone is sitting around how come we have so many temps? For all the fake injuries? All those people are faking? Are you sure? We are apparently number 2 in injuries now. We should join the actors guild if we can all fake that good. I will agree on the bloated management team issue. It is very real. CPC has gotten rid of many routes and clerks and somehow we have about 10 extra supervisors in our plant alone.
Not sure how CUPW fits in as the cause but get back up on that soapbox and let em have it son
Get a life supervisor your check will be there Thursday
CUPW is responsible for infrastructure, workforce productivity, and a bloated management team?!? LOL!!!
I would be shocked if this work disruption ends before January 1st. After Christmas the union has zero leverage left.
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Need flash! They’ve never had leverage including now! They could’ve chosen to hold the country hostage at Valentine’s Day and stop everybody from receiving love letters, and it would’ve meant about as much to their negotiating tactics as it does right now.
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Union has zero leverage now. SSD and weekend parcel delivery is coming. That’s a done deal. As long as we dont lose what we fought for previously(benefits and pension)Give 16% over 4. Im signing
You’re exactly right.
I think cupw should DEMAND that cp get into the bread and baked goods business. We could add bread ovens to the plants where they could make bread and fresh goods. Letter carriers then could deliver hot fresh bread etc in addition to their routes throughout the day. New revenue stream and expanded services. Who doesn’t like fresh bread. Why is this not a demand?
What is wrong with you .? We’re not delivering baked goods, you have no idea about business, adding these ridiculous suggestions makes us look feeble. We’re in the service industry, we deliver mail and parcels, the union has to stop interfering with Canada Post parcel delivery on weekends, they cannot demand overtime for anyone. Now you want to suggest bread delivery, Omg wtf is going on with people.. 😂😂 please go work at a bakery instead of you think it’s sustainable and let the members get back to work delivering parcels and mail
The original anonymous poster was joking. Baking bread vs senior check ins. Both hilariously absurd ideas. How about we add dog walking to that list too. LOL
Omg. LMAOOO. That angry response made my day. I’ve got tears in my eyes….
Lol
Silly.
No one will buy our bread because each one will be different in sizes, shape and weight. No performance review, do whatever you want.
😆 amazing!! Now you’re thinking like a postie
That comment I truly believe came from a CUPW member.
That idea could have only came from a grade 10 educated mailman, but think they can run a Crown Corporation better than the CEO.
I love the condescending supervisor. Grade 10 educated mailman? I have been with the corporation almost 30 years. I cannot bring myself to talk to any of the new management for any reason. Not sure how or why they all climbed out of the wood
work but I am pretty sure they will be released shortly after the contract is settled. Getting paid $70,000 a year to do and know nothing. Pitiful.
Will someone please explain to this nit wit that the bread thing was sarcasm. I am to dumb to find the words
Nice. Awesome sarcasm.
Love it! Embarrassing both cpc and cupw with a brilliant idea like that. All their executives , lawyers ,using fear and anger and you came up with a great solution.
Problem is that it wouldn’t be profitable after hiring the extra supervisors that would follow us on the street in the quest for handing out suspensions due to letting the butter packets get too soft.
You must be with CPC management. All your ideas are half baked! LOL!!!
Here’s an idea. Recently I donated $20 to the salvation army booth at Yorkdale Mall in Toronto. So let’s put our anger aside. Blaming each other and go and donate money to whatever charity you want. You will feel better and help out those less fortunate then you. And yes there are people less fortunate then you! So get over yourself and help out.. NOW!
That’s a lovely idea!
Do you know, that I heard just the other day that some members who are a little more well off were donating their strike pay to some of their less fortunate friends on the line!
#d4❤️
What is wrong with you .? We’re not delivering baked goods, you have no idea about business, adding these ridiculous suggestions makes us look feeble. We’re in the service industry, we deliver mail and parcels, the union has to stop interfering with Canada Post parcel delivery on weekends, they cannot demand overtime for anyone. Now you want to suggest bread delivery, Omg wtf is going on with people.. 😂😂 please go work at a bakery instead of you think it’s sustainable and let the members get back to work delivering parcels and mail
I already donate to hospitals. I still don’t feel better.
Thank you I was born in a Salvation Army hospital. Canada Post had a depot ac Ross the street they made tons of money on that one.Lots of bonuses given when it sold.
This whole situation is really frustrating…
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/gunter-cupw-srike-shows-canada-posts-business-model-doesnt-make-sense
Another capitalist conservative supporting trash newspaper trying to bad mouth Canada Post and postal workers.
Shame on the Toronto Sun for bad journalism. Hopefully, their days of being a fake newspaper end in the media graveyard soon.
Unions will be gone once cpc is privatized next year. Bye bye cupw, psac, apoc whatever else union protecting the slackers and procastinators….
Get a life you’re check will get there soon enough.do I here your mother calling you upstairs for supper
Wrong. Even if CPC is privatized, there is a thing called successor rights. The unions will go as they are currently structured to the new owner(s). So much mis-information on this site.
The assumption from management is that Canada Post is a for profit business. It is not. We were mandated by the federal government to serve all Canadians, including rural and remote areas. Our “competitors”, like amazon, UPS, Fedex won’t deliver there because it would incur a loss, or cost way too much. Time for CPC management to realize we are mandated to be a service. They need to take the issue of losses and operating model up with the minister in charge of crown corporations.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/gunter-cupw-srike-shows-canada-posts-business-model-doesnt-make-sense
Some incorrect assumptions in this opinion column. Tax payers have never been on the hook for Canada Post. The 750 million loss from last year was incurred from building a white elephant; the $500 million dollar plus Jackson plant in Ontario. It barely makes 50% of it’s specified sorting rate. The board of directors and CPC management need to be held to account for bad decisions. Where else can a CEO lose hundreds of millions every year for 6 straight years and not only keep his job, but get paid bonuses!!!
Speaking of incorrect assumptions, nobody can roll a depreciation asset into a one time loss like you suggest. People and especially businesses factor that in overtime since the don’t lump sum property. Even if they did, it has not lost value so your argument doesn’t make sense. Lets also remember that an additional $803 million was lost thus year so far, a year after that building was purchased
Nice . Next time you try and act smart make sure to read your message before you send it. Or are you trying to be confusing?
Capital projects like the $500 million plus plant is an ongoing loss. It depreciates and doesn’t hold value. Add up the other ongoing projects that contribute to losses, and you get the report of huge annual loss.
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CUPW flip flopping all over the place. Top 4 demand is now EV CHARGERS!!! How about employee benefits increase
How about fire the slackers everywhere in the union and company too?
EV chargers. That’s one of the programs of CUPW and CPC for the past 5 years. But reckoned that CPC didn’t do their part.
Cupw presidents approach, from my perspective, seems like her recent decisions are driven more by a desire to leave behind a legacy or prove she has accomplished something significant in her career or life. However, the reality is that these decisions have come at a cost to our wages and could potentially jeopardize the future of employees who rely on Canada Post for their long-term careers.
The executive’s and president’s actions may not truly reflect the best interests of the majority, especially those of us who will continue to be impacted by the outcomes long after she retires.
We need someone who is realistic in modern times and can advocate for decisions that genuinely support the collective welfare of those who will remain within Canada Post for years to come. The executives and president are no good for us.
Gary that’s very insightful. Like so many in the position of power, it does corrupt them and they spend more time padding their egos instead of focusing on the situation on hand. Their legacy will be one of failure to solidify Cupw as a leading union and model for other unions to follow.
I promise not to send any more text ridiculing executives from cpc, cupw mediators or govt. Til next time.
If Canada Post Corporation wants letter carriers to work 8 hours straight without going home early, they will have provide more competitive pricing for local parcel delivery and give 16 hours total delivery for Saturday and Sunday.
Flex part-timers working only 8 hours total for Saturday and Sunday will not do. Who can live on 8 hours of work a week.
The CPC can have their 7 days a week delivery, but they have to guarantee that they can secure customers.
It’s not the postal workers are the problem, it’s the CPC unwillingness to explore service alternatives that help Canadians while at the same time helping turn a profit.
They spend all this money on EVs, new processing centers, CMBs, and etc., but can’t use them to attract any new customers.
If anything, this stupid strike has cost us customers and trust of Canadian public.
The CPC AND the CUPW need serious come up with a solution to get postal workers back to work before they ruin Christmas for everyone.
VISA already has a new delivery service for their cards and all billing services are recommending paperless
Congratulations CUPW you’ve sunk the ship with your outrageous and nonsensical demands
Welcome to reality people have options and they’ll use them
Yes congratulations to CUPW helping the corporation lose business and securing our layoffs, 30+ years of failed negotiations.. So much failure from 1 union should result in jail time for the president, executives and Negotiating committee. Way to fail the members, Canada and Canadians..
Business 101 use the cheapest Courrier. If you listen to the news they have lost a billion dollars in the private sector because of the strike.seems we are integral to the economy.the ship is water tight
CUPW, just focus on wages and safety, rest can be taken care later.
Th e ironic part is, the two sides are actually now close on wages. I think 90% of us would agree to having weekend delivery and SSD set aside and solved through arbitration if we could simply sign off on everything else and get back to work!
Arbitration rarely addresses complex issues like SSD and how to deliver on weekends. These issues keep getting kicked to the next contract negotiations, unless they get settled by negotiation.
Only 18 days left till all negotiations will be put on hold till the new year. Not looking too good.
Time to remove all the negotiators and find new ones … both sides pissing around for more than a year … worried more about their egos … they love sitting at the top with the whole country hanging by a thread … waiting to hear some good news … I can imagine all the nice catered food they deserve for all their hard work !!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Three days and that’s all cupw can do the same thing over and over
They have been saying it for a year. All CPC says is weekend delivery, which CUPW agrees with to an extent.
they’ve been saying many of the same things for over a decade and they haven’t been happening. so why do we keep asking for them? cupw is completely tone deaf. if the corporation doesn’t have money, why do we keep asking for big money items like electric car charging stations and corporate vehicles for rsmcs. it’s just so ridiculous. no wonder we’re not getting anywhere. Jan must go.
Three days and all cupw is the same bs we need to get back to work
CPC is already questioning weekend parcel delivery, Will the added operating costs of the extra days outweigh the revenue. I’m not so sure.
The Better way to go is cut 10 000 positions, CPC can make a lot of money, Don’t forget they are A monopoly. Concentrate On core strength Letters, Express Post, certified Letter, Pot, small packets……Get rid of parcels!!!!! These executives in Ottawa have lost touch with the business.
Stop trying please. Parcels are the way forward, not mail
Get rid of parcels? Since parcels is the only future we have, this is like shooting yourself in the foot just before running aa marathon.
With millions of hours for casual employees already, how do you propose “cutting” any jobs?
Casuals aren’t needed!!! We are over staffed and poorly run!!! Cut cut cut positions and require cupw members to actually WORK!!!
You cannot cut cut. Those who underperform are protected by the union.
They can, if they were competent and willing to put in the work to do it right.
Tuna you’ll make a great Director one day. lol
He will
Get rid of parcels? Are you nuts? That’s where the money is.
Letter mail is dying since most bills can be set up as email to customers. More communicate using email, and social media apps.
If Canada Post was willing to set up retail shopping or food delivery service to help with the CUPW’s suggested senior check in concept that would be great. Door dash and skip the dishes drivers make pretty good money off tips doing that.
CPC executives are definitely out of touch. We are not a for profit business. We are mandated by the federal government to serve all Canadians, so we have to deliver parcels, even to remote and rural areas.
Guess what the 3 billion in loses are all do to PARCELS.
The Parcel segment is now in the commodity stage. Canada Post didn’t make money in parcels when the parcel Tap was overflowing.
Remember the defunct Priority Post, This is where the money is in parcels the higher End. Wow do I have some stories. This really showed managements incompetence.
Parcels has been a MAKE WORK PROGRAM and an erosion of wages and benefits and will continue to be with weekend delivery. 100%will not work.
Fair Wages
We have just lived through the worst cost of living crisis in a generation. The cost of basic goods – like housing, groceries, and gasoline – are still far higher than they were a few years ago.
Safe Working Conditions
Postal workers suffer the second highest rate of disabling injury among workers under federal jurisdiction, behind only the road transportation sector. Growing Neighbourhood Mail volumes and changing work methods like Separate Sort from Delivery (SSD) are only making things worse.
We need Canada Post to live up to its word and make worker health and safety the priority it says it is. Carriers need time to prepare and deliver Neighbourhood Mail, so they aren’t overburdened, and real fixes to problems like late start times so they aren’t working in the dark.
Retiring with Dignity
All workers deserve the right to retire with dignity, and for us that means postal workers – present and future – maintain their defined benefit pension plan. Our pensions should not have been on the bargaining table in the first place. Our pension plan is overfunded, and Canada Post has enjoyed a pension contribution holiday since May 2023, which will most likely continue into 2025. In its recent financial reports, Canada Post has suggested that our defined benefit pension plan is contributing to their financial issues, but the numbers don’t add up. Our pensions aren’t the problem.
Expansion of Public Postal Services
The public cherishes its post office and would like Canada Post to offer more services to better serve communities. It’s mind-boggling that Canada Post has yet to implement some of the successful services that other postal operators around the world have been running for years.
That’s why we are demanding Canada Post commit to working with the Union to expand services at the post office including postal banking and electric vehicle charging stations.
If you think none of these things are worth fighting for, please quit, go drive for Uber.
When did we become princess huh let’s all grow up do our job and stop complaining like kids or there won’t be nothing to go back too ….corp is not giving in and no back to work legislation open your eyes cupw
Three days and this is all we get
They used to say that we were second to minors for injuries. Then apparently we became number one for injuries. Actually 5 times the runner up. Now we are back to a lowly second place again? Well at least we are still tying to be number one. Maybe the SSD will bring us back on top.
The reason there are so many injuries is because we have good insurance and people fake it!!! One RSMC in my area “falls” every late November at his first site and needs a 6-8 week recovery.
I’m sure you’ve all seen how often postal workers are off on medical leave compared to anyone else you know in life. It’s ridiculous!!! LESS BENEFITS, MORE WAGES AND GET BACK TO WORK!
And, of course, YOU’RE experience MUST be the experience of all, right? 🙄🙄🙄
I’ve broken both my ankles and have been knocked unconscious from slipping from icy stairs. By your intelligent remark, I guess EVERYONE has experienced this.
Step out of your bubble and realize this fight is for more than just you!!
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If the Canada Post employees cannot manage on their current wages then stop complaining and quit and get another job.The current employees dont require much of an education
Easily the dumbest thing I’ve read on this thread…and that’s saying a lot!
I am sorry but all cupw negotiatars even the president of cupw should be let go …useless
Don’t apologize for something that’s true.
100% they all should go and we should file to the labor board and make them accountable for these delayed talks and pay back all the money spent for no progress.. Enough is enough, CUPW executives, president and negotiating committee must go.. bunch of thieves and unable to negotiate out a room full of doors..
If this strike keeps on going until January, without a doubt CP will have to layoff tons of workers or even close down. Loses would be so immense that it will be impossible to have this business open. Also the longer we strike the more public will adapt and will be relying more and more on digital mail, and gig companies and others to deliver parcels.
If that happens will CUPW come forward and say sorry to all its unemployed members for miscalculations?
Crown corporations do not go bankrupt…
Greedy and pride people do not say sorry… they brainwash you and tell you they tried everything
I agree and let’s not hold our breath…In 30+years CUPW has never apologized!
What good what that do anyhow?
that’s fine with me. burn it all to the ground if you can’t afford to pay your people inflation adjusted wages. i’m here for it.
Good luck to you. I’m sure you’ll be fighting off the job offers
Yeah, and so will ex-CPC management!
CUPW recruiting gig workers, they will come in and replace us, and all part of CUPW’s plan to make money while we lose jobs and wages, the union is the enemy and are setting us up for failure again..and again..and again..
https://www.cupw.ca/en/gig-workers-organizing-change
So right
Give me a break
CPC can get money from gov anytime they want
Purolator is making tons of money
Cpc good at creative accounting
Be strong
Pretty well all executives from cupw and cpc not to mention mediators and govt will be taking Christmas break starting around Dec 21 til Jan 6 give or take. That means you only have between Dec 5 to Dec 20 to settle the strike. Which means it won’t be til Jan 2025 that we go back to work ,presuming there’s a settlement and won’t get paid til February.
Perhaps CUPW will want to come back to do rotational by Dec 17/18th, that way they get the 3 stats and 1/12 quotas. Of course, the corporation could lock them out.
The HOC sits until Dec 17.
Lets gooo.. let the whole world know that the union is the one which stopped other countries from sending packages to Canada. let the whole canada know that the union is the one who went on strike and they purposely choose this month of the year.
Lets gooo..
Pretty well all executives from cupw and cpc not to mention mediators and govt will be taking Christmas break starting around Dec 21 til Jan 6 give or take. That means you only have between Dec 5 to Dec 20 to settle the strike. Which means it won’t be til Jan 2025 that we go back to work ,presuming there’s a settlement and won’t get paid til February.
Union is holding onto Santa letters right now until December 6. So maybe a deal then.
Which year
Most of letter carriers are extremely hard working people, some are still working only 4h a day, most of indoor employees are extremely lazy and it is overstaffed since covid. Supervisors are overwhelmed and underpaid as well and can barely find any time to discipline. Casuals are working because the rate of absenteeism is unbelievably high. Workers do deserve by far the asked 24% but management really has to get rid of the lazy parasites that barely work 3-4 h a day and split the gains for the ones that actually work, unfortunately the union protects and it’s usually it’s the scums that always need to be protected. Good employees don’t even use the union.
i’d love to see these overwhelmed supervisors that are scrolling on their phone all day but won’t answer the corporate phone line.
“Good employees don’t even use the union.”
Quoting this part again. Well said. Good and hard working employees do know their worth and their contribution, and we do not need union for that.
Only the slackers need a union to be able to abuse the system.
Pretty good take on things for the most part. Well done.
If you’re going to troll, you have to do better than that. Come on, put some effort into it. At least make it entertaining to read.
I just got my strike pay. Oh boy. Now I can buy that loaf of bread I always wanted.
Dont buy now. Buy when trudeau removes the taxes on food in 2 weeks.
I will starve in 2 weeks lol
Crazy inflation right? But 11% should cover it. More than enough.
There is a running joke the toronto maple leafs will win the Stanley cup in june 2025 before this strike settled. Lol . Far fethched? Maybe. But I’m reserving my spot downtown for the Stanley cup parade.
What a funny joke! Almost as funny as all torontonians and their junk team.
https://youtu.be/2v3kYlWwAis?si=LK2yXZnpOi9EachK
absolutely nothing new or useful here. just wah wah wah.
NEGOTIATE: do you even know what it means??
1- Negotiate
2-Receive a Global offer after 10 months ( far too late)
3-Reject the global offer ( no membership vote)
4-Receive Global offer number 2
5-Reject Global offer number 2 ( no membership vote)
6- Negotiate
7-Federal government appoints mediator
8- Mediator essentially quits due to ” parties being too far apart”
9-No negotiation
10- Framework presented
11- Framework rejected over how to staff weekend delivery
12- TIME TO HAVE BINDING ARBITRATION and/ or FEDERAL INTERVENTION as ENOUGH BS IS ENOUGH
At this point the Union should be working with CPC on transitioning the company into a leaner more flexible company. Because, whether we the workers want it or not, downsizing is coming. It could have gone smoothly through attrition. But I don’t see that as being an option anymore.
Nope-just get your union to start being reasonable. You were offered a 12% pay rate increase. Should have taken that because you would still be earning a cheque at Christmas time and people would not hate you. Try taking small bites next time at the negotiations table-too big of a bite and you end up just choking. No one is coming to save you thru arbitration/legislation which is strangely what CUPW always complains about happening. Now you are begging for it because your union led you astray-quite ironic really.
12,% only half of what we need. So quiet down
13- Non confidence vote in parliament. Elections coming thanks to the strike.
How will everyone get their voter registration cards?
The government needs to send us back to work, sorry, picket lines don’t pay my bills! Let us work , meanwhile, the negotiating team keep on playing negotiations, but not on the expense of workers!
100 percent agree
U can go work if you need to
Then come back when strike over
Absolutely not. 11% not near enough. Everybody stay strong and hold the line
Incredible how little canada post management seems to care about the money they are losing. Fire them all.
Oh they own 91% of Purolator, they could care less about us right now.
Oh! I didn’t know they own 91 percent. I was wondering how come we’ve never heard of any problems there now I know, I bet the 9 percent that they don’t owe are managing the company!! 😖
Could or Couldn’t?
why should management care? cupw is the one who started the strike.
they have a fiduciary duty to manage the company for the canadian people and not run it into the ground like they are doing
They are losing less money per day now than they were on November 14th. Let that sink in for a second. The union is ‘demanding’ this and that while the loss run rate is actually improving for CPC. Puts things in perspective.
The concern is that the customers have already left Canada Post and even if we return to delivery tomorrow most customers won’t return. Small business have left, they won’t trust us to deliver their parcels even if we’re back to work. They would be too nervous to use us. A mono of parcels sitting in a warehouse for weeks or days could kill their business. Canada Post could potentially loose more money bringing us back then letting us continue with the strike. This was a poor choice to put us in a strike position during the holiday season, every time we are in a strike position our customers advertise switching to e-billing, our competitors start calling our customers to offer contracts. We never come out of negotiations better off then when we went in. Both CUPW and CPC need to start working together for the success of the company. Unions should be partners working for the success of the business that would go way further in negotiations when asking for wage increases and benefits when the company is successful. Though it may be too late.
I love watching the CP PR guy get cotton mouth when asked difficult questions. 😀 And then have no answers. We can wait.
Meanwhile you have representatives out there with face tattoos that look like they are in a 12 step program
And your point is? At least they are trying to help all of us unlike you complaining and doing sweet f all
Why is CUPW so slow to respond? Do they not care about anybody that has paid their dues and expects some kind of competent representation. 3 weeks is hard on members. They will never recoup the losses regardless of the wage increase.
They are planning their next vacation trips….
This job allows me to do remote job while at work for Canadian Post and pay me all hours even though I’m finish early. This is best job in Canada I’m having being here 16 years in Canada. I love this job please don’t take from me.
go back to the office. Covid is over!
I would go back to the office but CUPW is physically preventing me from lawfully entering my place of employment.
They don’t have an office or really work for Canada Post
You write, “I’m finish early”. better stay home.
Nice tactical move by CPC, Going long with the Pension.
CUPW doesn’t care about the pension as they have no economic interest.
Whats left, the busy Christmas season……Chip to CUPW
3 Holidays Christmas, Boxing day, new years…..Chip to CPC.
Parcels will come back as fast as they left. Very price sensitive
Every time there is a strike, we lose business that doesn’t come back. Sometimes its because people figure out how to survive without our services. Other times its because our parcel competitors get our big accounts to sign long-term contracts with them to keep lower prices. To say that parcels will come back is wishful at best. Yes, some will come back but a lot won’t. And at a time where we were already losing business before the strike this time is probably going to be worse that previous times.
Canada post loses all the good accounts even when we are not on strike.
Yes because the lazies won’t work so commitment is missed a lot.Who in their right mind as a business would put up with that when they can take their business elsewhere🙄
New years, not really a retail juggernaut. Christmas is coming soon and is list plus nobody cares about Boxing Day anymore. We lost it all last weekend
The Employee pay for the 3 holidays
Ah yes, you don’t deserve that or likely even qualify for it anyway with your lack of hours
Same bennefits from top to bottom as what the executives get please.
All our bennefits have fallen behind. Bring back direct billing for everything and increase our ammounts!
Clearly you don’t know that executives and management have in their benefits plans or you wouldn’t be asking for what they get.
Hopefully this framework includes us getting the same extended bennefits as executives. Plan 51390
You don’t even know what that means. Quoting a plan number is useless without knowing anything, which you don’t…or you would be spilling the tea
We need back to work legislation! We cannot be held hostage by 15% or less of those that voted yes for this strike.
95% voted YES! If others didn’t vote….too bad!
No we don’t. Other employees are still paid. Let CUPW member’s greed be shown worldwide…
Here is hopefully an inspirational comment for all people . Yes this strike is affecting workers ,businesses charities etc. But we all have the mental emotional and physical ability to not destroy our zest for life. While cupw and cpc blame each other and try to punish the rest of us we won’t let it happen. Keep the smile and love life!!!
Just got back from the pharmacy the liquor store ,a general comment hopefully with some inspiration. A lot of people, businesses charities ,etc are being affected by this strike. Both cupw and cpc blame each other and are punishing society. Stand strong be positive Don’t let cpc and cupw destroy your zest for life. Don’t give them that satisfaction!!!
no.. go away.. incompetence should be highlighted..
Exactly.. 💯
Hey CUPW here’s some advice, how about pay people on time and get your sh*t together. You have no problem taking our dues when the post office pays us, do something right, it’s bad enough you’ve failed every negotiation..
That’s exactly why I didn’t bother to picket. Good luck I hope you get paid.
We are getting
Paid
Thx
I cashed 2 cheques already.
Here’s the truth. We are extremely overstaffed. We need to cut a large portion of people standing around and people leaving early. My hope is that in order to save this company, we hire more people in management and hold those accountable with repercussions for doing nothing and stealing from the company in the form of hours and productivity.
managers do nothing and proudly proclaim how useless they are.
I agree with you BILL. Too many doing nothing but it was CPC that hired so many to do nothing. Please cut the waste and pay the remaining people what they deserve.
how do you cut when they are in UNIOONS.
Wow. From a manager to a po4. Responding to your own post. Lame.
Overstaffed you say, and yet I get asked to do splits on other routes even when I don’t sign up. But I do have a superintendent, staffing officer, supervisor that takes care of the vehicles, supervisor that makes sure I put a check mark on my chits, EOD supervisor, etc…. I totally agree we are overstaffed.
A company that is extremely overstaffed wouldn’t used millions of hours for casuals every year.
Very poorly run and extremely overstaffed can exist at the same time. We are both. Could not run this company worse.
If the regular employees would pull their weight and actually work instead of chatting and endless bathroom breaks, maybe we wouldn’t have to use millions of hours for casuals.
EXACTLY!
they do it because they know they cannot be laid off. hehehe… want unions? productivity goes downnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!
I think management shone laid off
Canada Post has now conceded (what we can assume is) DB for new hires. Is this a win for the new hires? It’s always painted as protecting future employees – is it?
An aging workforce, life expectancy, technology and automation are all factors on DB fund solvency. Union management says the pension is overfunded, but there will be less employees in the workforce and more retirees drawing from it every year that passes. CUPW needs new hires on DB to fund their own retirement. It’s a win if you’re nearing retirement, if you’re in the beginning of your career with CUPW it may be a liability.
All these mini issues, 3 weeks without a paycheck, do we really care about cleaners being CUPW and 10$ more for boot allowance? As long as the offer includes wages 16% over 4 years or more, and minimum job security, I don’t care if CP do PT employees and weekend delivery. Isn’t 95% of this battle about wages? The rest is just trimmings and talking points.
Don’t we want weekend delivery? More postal workers, more job security via business sustainability, potentially more hours and overtime.
For cupw some unknown reason they never have wages number one priority!! They are a social justice union.
hey i said 16% in another post, 100% agree meet in the middle
You don’t need new employees for fund a DB plan. Either way the company is responsible for the payments for life, so it needs to move to the cheaper for them option now
For the DB plan to remain solvent, yes, new employees are needed. However, the reality is that as people retire, there will be fewer and fewer contributors. Do you realize that a lot of current retirees paid 4% of pensionable earnings during their career to get the same benefit that you are now paying 8-9% (9.9% a few years ago). Newer hires in the DB60 group are paying the same contributions, but can only start collecting without a penalty at 65. The union did not do them any favours, that’s for sure.
For the DB plan to remain solvent, yes, new employees are needed. However, the reality is that as people retire, there will be fewer and fewer contributors. Do you realize that a lot of current retirees paid 4% of pensionable earnings during their career to get the same benefit that you are now paying 8-9% (9.9% a few years ago). Newer hires in the DB60 group are paying the same contributions, but can only start collecting without a penalty at 65. The union did not do them any favours, that’s for sure.
Love all the comments on this platform. You have been allowed to speak via text and express yourself which is a great freedom to have . It’s a bloody shame that cupw has not given you the same freedom or choice when it comes to voting on anything . They believe they have the right to think and talk and vote on your behalf. Is this why you paying union dues?
@Cheers
Yes, it is why we pay union dues.
Cannot even know how many people voted for the strike… time to ask the real questions…
Exactly and how much the negotiating committee cost us for stalling for 13+ months without a contract in a 5 star hotel, trip to Cuba in the middle of negotiations and the high end meals they eat, I’m sure we’ve paid over $400k for them to live the life, why would they ever want to stop Negotiating when they prove they’re constant failures, Solidarity my a** all about the union, not it’s members. Some people still haven’t received strike pay and were almost at week 4.. congratulations CUPW proving you’re a failure again to the members who you lied to about yes votes for strikes. Time to trim the executives, too many don’t do anything but take a big salary
I don’t understand why this issue keeps getting brought up. Every member, every one of us voted or had the opportunity to vote. In a democracy we all have the opportunity to participate or not, and if you choose not to participate, the majority vote of the ones who did will still prevail.
it is brought up because it is not transparent. who did the counting? cupw themselves lol, no 3rd party… of course it is 95% over 55,000 members
Alot of us were NOT given ballot s,BECAUSE the union states that the constitution requires all members to sit in a stupid meeting
This is a message for Gary;
Please step down from your lofty soapbox. You feel so entitled to your thoughts that you must let everyone know what you feel, including the people we’re striking against! You are doing the exact same thing that people who say they don’t need the post office anymore are doing, failing to see that there are other people outside of your circle. You DO NOT speak for 50,000 of us. If you want to try to decertify the union, get the necessary paperwork from the CIRB and see how many people in your depot/building agree with you. What you don’t do is slam the people who are fighting for their livelihood ON THE WEBSITE OF THE COMPANY THAT IS TRYING TO CRUSH IT!
If you don’t like how this union operates, do something about it in your city first, then work your way to national level. Nobody wants to hear your bellyaching anymore. It only creates the look of weakness to the people that are trying to take away what is rightfully ours.
Stand WITH your fellow employees or stand down!
Certainly the Union doesn’t speak for 50.000 CPC workers… how many went to vote? Some say only 20%, that means that 80% of the workforce doesn’t see the union as that relevant, and are tired of the same thing over and over again, which is, agendas first, workers real needs second.
@AlphaMale, or, and let me be very clear here, they were just too lazy to go out and vote. If they truly didn’t want a strike, they should have gone out to vote “no”. Complacency is not an excuse, just like elections for our government. You cannot complain if you didn’t make your voice heard. Now, when the going gets tough and everyone has their own personal opinion on things, people are all up in arms??? Should have thought about that when the votes were being counted. 95% of those who took the time to make their voices heard said “yes”, and that’s ALL that matters.
@Bob, so my local says 100% voted yes but I know that’s not true. Many of us voted NO. The executives in the UNION are out for themselves just like the executives from CPC. They do not care. Those Union members that held supervisors hostage in Vancouver should be fired. That was despicable. Leave Gary alone. Here we can voice our opinions. Tell me when I can voice my opinion to the Union Executives? Email? Telephone? They don’t answer. They are only telling us bits and pieces of the whole story.
I’ve shared some previous posts to help educate and raise awareness about how the voting process works, especially in cases like strike votes. I don’t blame anyone who believes that 95% voted in favor of the strike—it’s an easy assumption to make. However, it’s important to recognize that these numbers don’t always reflect the full picture.
People just need to be better informed about the process. The fact that they may have been misled by bureaucracy isn’t their fault. For anyone curious or uncertain, I encourage you to check out my earlier posts, where I explain how voting actually works and why the results can sometimes be misleading.
As I’ve mentioned before, even if only 50% of the members are actually in favor of a strike, the executive board might state that 95% voted in favor to promote the image of union solidarity and strength. While this can seem misleading, it is allowed by the constitutional labor code, as unions are not required to disclose specific voting results to members.
#FreeGary
yeah decertify the union. unions are parasite protecting lazy and unproductive workers.
Are you sure he or she is an employee. I hope not.
I speak for those who seek transparency, and accountability. In a time where corruption and bureaucracy threaten the integrity of our members. I refuse to be controlled by those forces. I stand with the people—those who demand real change, fairness, and the removal of those who abuse their power.
The current leadership has failed to uphold the principles they were entrusted to protect. The time for complacency has passed. Our future depends on decisive action, and I will not be silent in the face of this.
We deserve a CUPW president who serves the people, not their own interests. I will continue to speak out . The president must go.
Gary, you have every right to think that and do that…JUST NOT HERE! You do not speak for all of us, full stop!
Why don’t you think Gary has a right to speak his mind here? This isn’t your site.
Bob tries to silence opinions that he doesn’t agree with.
Don’t be like Bob.
So you think it’s beneficial to our fight to have an employee bash the people that are trying to settle with the corporation ON THE CORPORATIONS’ OWN WEBSITE???
Man, I wish more people were smart like Bob!
I can’t understand how so many people posting here can’t understand that Canada Post would love nothing more than to NOT have to deal with a union at all. You guys want to make minimum wage??? No pension?? No owning of routes?? The union protects us against a manager transferring you 1000km away because they don’t like the look of your face. All this union bashing you brain trusts are doing is making CPC soooooo happy!
You’re all brilliant…
Why not? You are free to post your comments as well, what makes you any different or more important
That’s exactly why I didn’t bother to picket. Good luck I hope you get paid.
Hey Bob, I don’t think you speak for the majority of CUPW members. I would say the majority are not happy with the way they are screwing with our lives. They should’ve had this crap wrapped up already. A year to negotiate a contract really? What other union does that. So fed up with their uselessness. Wth do we pay high dues for? You mostly work for the laziest, loudest, members that expect the hard workers to take up their slack. When someone legitimately needs your help with an issue, good luck getting that support. Enough, just let us get back to work!!
Why would you think CUPW is “screwing” with your lives and not Canada Post Corporation?? You are putting blame in the wrong place. CPC had THREE YEARS to make an offer and waited until September 29th. How is that the fault of CUPW?? I just can’t fathom the way of thinking here…
The union delays and stalls until it’s the busy season. Every time.
WRONG! The Corporation does that.
They BOTH do!!
The fact that you think you are striking against people is part of the problem. This has nothing to do with your personal feelings about anyone on either side of the picket line. We’re all trying to do our jobs here. Your union is on strike against the company you work for. Maybe if you stopped turning this into some epic battle against the bad guys, you could see past all the propaganda that both sides are putting out and make decisions for yourself. The company isn’t trying to crush you. It is trying to find a line between being reasonable with its employees (all of its employees, not just you) and being able to continue as a company and employer.
Let’s all face it cupw blew it at a peak time …we are all screwed it is time all the militant postal workers should retire the place would be better
If your not responding from a place of strength or exercising leverage when it may have the greatest impact… what’s the point of being a Union.
very great impact this strike has and the outcome is very good for everyone too… it simply shows your greed and making people realize that the union is a parasite. some shtty mindset actually..
First, I don’t see greed being a part of the equation. Also, I was speaking more generally about the fundamental aspects of being a Union.
What I find interesting is, the Labour minister sees nothing of any substance to resume talks.
Meanwhile the company is on a PR campaign, saying they have given a proposal.
Just shows you how this company feels about its business, workers, and the rest of the country.
Minister and arbitrator said that 2 sides have to move ….so far CUPW had no movement.
What have negotiation committee been doing for a last 13 months ? This will take months to settle. I want to see an offer and vote on it and not few people that were chosen by insiders .Maybe the few want to destroy company ?
I just got kicked out of CUPW FB for asking for a rights to vote on an offer .Looks like CUPW got taken over by bunch of communist ☭ lovers with agenda ….time to retire .
Hey Joe…buh bye!
what you’re describing is closer to fascism and not at all like communism. Communism would be pro-vote.
“Communism would be pro-vote.” just because you can post anonymous does not give you the freedom to post anything. Get yourself informed.
I appreciate your point. I too would like an offer. But remember there was no offer until the union filed a notice of dispute in August. Then at the end of it, the company put an unrealistic offer at the end of September. Finally, on the second response to the union, there has never been another offer from the company. Keep that in mind.
The union shares with us the global offers. There hasn’t been another one. Just time wasting, media talking, and frameworks…it’s embarrassing.
The government sees it, but doesn’t really want to call out the company yet, but the water is getting hotter.
You got two offers, how long did you expect them to dance?
lol, they been playing laser tag for a year
There was no offer till the councilator and mediator got involved, stop making up BS like CUPW cares about us..
That is my point, there was no offer until others were involved. Listen to yourself. The company did not give an offer, and would still rather not up until today. Thank you for acknowledging that this company is not interested in negotiating. Hence why we are here, and we are fine to wait…
Hey Joe thank you having the coconuts to demand your right to vote on anything. The fact you were kicked outta cupw is a good omen and their loss because more and more people will demand to vote.
Interesting interview on ctv of both sides. CPC basically hasn’t changed its proposal. I personally don’t care about the amount of a raise, even unproven the company moves incrementally it will be better these the 2% we’ve been getting for the last decade. Honestly you can’t try to go back and renegotiate the two years you gave an extension. Union failed on this.
We also learned that, as always, the company has no real plan – 6 days, 7 days delivery? If it doesn’t work scrap it? What kind of plan is that? This is why we are strike. Precarious work. And we already have enough extra workers.
On the flip side, the union needs to allow the casuals and PT workers the first option to pick up the extra work, not the FT to get 2x. And they need to drop their demands of personal/sick days. We don’t need more of them.
But let’s be honest, nobody that has any say is reading this, it’s only reasonable people that would like to get back to work with as little confrontation as possible.
As a LC, do you understand the kind of backlash we will receive from people when we go back? I may just stay away for a little while.
Your always going to try to keep up with the rate of inflation and it’s always going to be after the expiration of either the contract term or in this case two year extension… no difference.
Not sure if you were around for the last strike, but the public is overwhelmingly WITH us. Never one bad word when we went back to work after the strike in 2018. Remember, you only remember the loudest people (like Gary), most of the silent ones are 100% in our corner. Do not be afraid of any backlash, it won’t happen.
That was a weak strike in 2018 Bob, you didn’t even miss a day or two likely. Nobody cared except the commercial accounts. You know, the ones that pay your bills. That was the beginning of the end and why they still think this always happens at Christmas, which isn’t really the case.
Missed two weeks because my depot REFUSED to do a rotating strike. We stayed OUT until it was settled. Downtown Toronto, look it up.
Those were rotating strikes. You weren’t holding people’s private property.
Being honest. I don’t need this job, but I like it. Have 18 yrs in and hope to retire in 8-12. Don’t need the pension but it would help.
I really wanna support the NNC but have let down many times by them and the NEB. Worried they push this past next week and cost some their jobs and not just a raise.
I am not a weak short sighted person. I am missing something ?
If I am inform and let me know.
Respectfully with Solidarity
You need to volunteer in your community if you need something to do.if you don’t need your job and you have nothing else to do that’s a you problem.Lots of people here are mot doing jobs because they only like it.
thats great your parents set you up so nicely. show a little respect and retire if you don’t need the job or the pension. I am sure there are dozens of temps wherever you are waiting for a fulltime position to open up.
its bizarre that you felt the need to even write that comment. booooooomer
Union will be hoping for the govt to force back very soon.
So they can blame govt for CUPW incompetence at the bargaining table.
I think that was their plan all this time, wait to be forced back and blame the government to save face with members, saying they tried their best but it’s the government’s fault.
Didn’t work out that way and now they are scrambling.
you are 100% correct.looks like cupw has no plan and was hoping arbitration will force new contract and CUPW will have someone to blame .Libas are not going to call us back for this reason !!! CPC will go broke next year and will be restructed under bankruptcy protection.
100% their usual plan to blame CPC for not negotiating, but nothing about them milking this for 13+ months of nothing
Cp needs to get rid of all the old timers who don’t do anything anymore and get away with it. Who works here for 35+ years and want to come to work…they do because it’s fun! Not work. Also most of these partners got to go who are only here for the benefits coming into work from their day jobs.
Nine sectors displayed considerable improvement over the past 5 years, while 3 sectors showed a stabilizing trend. For example, the Postal Services and Federal Public Services sectors exhibited positive trends. In contrast, 4 sectors, including Longshoring and Pipeline Transportation, reported worsening performance compared to pre-pandemic.
From Canada.ca
What’s the explanation here CUPW?
Canada Post keeps saying that it “remains committed to negotiating new collective agreements,” while it continues to act as if it expects the government to have its back, and has shown little interest in negotiating in good faith. Between their respective first and second offers, CUPW dropped wage increases by over 6% for the first two years, while CPC increased its offer by 1.5% over four years.
Long-standing issues regarding pansions, delivery operations (including weekend deliveries), working conditions, and other issues related to the future viability of the corporation will not be resolved through binding arbitration. These issue can only be resolved by finding solutions that work for both the corporation and its workforce, and those solutions can only be found at the bargaining table by those who understand the intricacies of the issues and the logistics of delivering mail. Arbitrators simply do not have the expertise to find those solutions – their job is to impose compromises knowing they won’t have to live with the results.
At the end of the day, the federal government is responsible for the conduct of a crown corporation, and it can exercise that responsibility by making clear to the CEO that his only option is to act good faith to reach a negotiated settlement. Canada Post belongs to all Canadians, and it is through our elected representatives that we make our views known to that government. The following link offers a letter you can send to your MP with just a few clicks:
https://www.cupw.ca/en/tell-your-mp-you-support-cupw-negotiations-canada-post
and how do we tell our MP that we do not support unions?
Find their office number or email…it should be listed under their name
However you choose to; your use of a rhetorical question to state your apparently dogmatic position in the absence of presenting any argument to support it is duly noted.
My post is intended for those who have some knowledge of the issues and understand that CUPW’s position is not only reasonable, it is in the best long-term interests of the corporation itself. In the 21st century, successful corporations treat their workforce as partners, not adversaries.
There you making sense again. Being smart again ,showing genius again. Stop it! This canada post we don’t do those things.
At work I’m paid to not think.
I’m on strike now.
As for the contract, we should be allowed to vote in what we want from both sides and not letting anyone control our destiny! We are the Unions boss, we pay them, they don’t pay us, and CPC pays us, but needs to understand that if we don’t work there is no CPC!
So give us the contract let us decide, then let all sit down with the mediator and let the mediator decide.
As for me I don’t want contracts thinking about future employment, benefits for body fixer uppers, , senior checkins , cleaners needs, etc…. I want a fair contract, not the sun the moon and the stars! Come on negotiators , grow up!
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7399312
So it appears the feds can even run an election without using Canada Post.
Be very careful CUPW…. Not good!
I believe we need a CALL FOR REFORM. Or we can initiate a recall vote or special election with a petition that has enough supporting members. Lets see what happens first.
Hello cupw members. Please be aware any future contract vote will be more like a formality than a real choice. It feels like the executives will be giving us the illusion of control, much like what happened during the strike vote. I personally don’t trust our leadership, and it’s becoming more evident that their actions are driven by bureaucracy and corruption. These concerns are not just my own – I know many of you share this frustration.
I want to address something else as well: I’ve seen posts from people attempting to impersonate me or downplay what I’ve said. Let me be clear – I stand firmly against the way things are being run and won’t be silenced by those who try to misrepresent my views. The way our executive members are handling things is unacceptable, and it’s time for real change.
We cannot continue to face the same issues every four years. I believe we need a leadership that truly represents us, the members, and is accountable for their actions. That’s why I’m considering starting a petition to gather enough signatures to call for the removal of the current executives and push for new leadership that works for us, not against us.
No union or cpc execs read this forum looking for the answers to solve this mess or actually care
Sounds great!!
CUPW needs to actually ‘organize’ themselves. Simple as that, they are sloppy!
Good luck Gary!
Keep dreaming solidarity this is a good team
There’s probably more than one Gary in the world?
I’m not sure that a petition is a viable mechanism for the removal of duly elected union executives, and I’m even less sure that it would resolve any issues anyways.
I agree that all votes within the union, whether for strike mandates or collective agreement ratification, should be fully transparent. Not revealing the actual number of votes is not only undemocratic, it may also be a violation of §87.3(3) of the Canada Labour Code.
A petition calling for the release of the actual numbers might be more effective in achieving transparency.
Letter-mail /AO’s Delivery M-W-F residential. = curb losses
Letter mail /AO’s Delivery M-F Businesses and Accommodations = curb losses, increase service!
Parcel Hub M-F /FTEmployees, like the old days = profit
Parcel Hub S-S,/PTEmployees, like the old days = profit
Leave the RR’s alone = super efficient already.
All done in a safe manner with appropriate vehicles for the areas.
Ps.
I’m retired Cp.
The CUPW negotiating team is paid to negotiate on behalf of its MEMBERSHIP
The missing piece of this fiasco is having the MEMBERSHIP determine its own destiny
By having the MEMBERSHIP vote on EACH offer, CUPW would then know if the answer if it has the backing of the majority of its MEMBERSHIP-if the result is a NO. then let the negotiations continue….if the result is a YES, then we sign and life goes on
In either scenario, CUPW would have the BACKING of the MEMBERSHIP it claims to represent
Or does that make too much sense?
Do you know how long it takes to have a vote on every offer from CPC. It is just not possible. I have no connection to the union. But change just for the sake of change is not very smart. The alternative could be even worse. Also commenting ere just for the sake of commenting is a waste of time.
I agree
I agree
https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/u-s-postal-service-suspends-accepting-mail-bound-for-canada-due-to-strike-1.7130112
It is over. No govt is going to help CUPW. You are gone by next year.
2011: actual base rate $25.66
2024: actual base rate $30.36
Hourly loss based on accumulated inflation of 16.14% : $5.07
That’s a purchasing power loss of $65,000.00 for each member over a fourteen year timespan. Where has that money gone? Everything and everyone else except the people who actually make this corporation money.
You don’t make money for the company either. Unless you are selling to commercial clients and signing business, you don’t make money. Delivery is the result of someone selling the service to people who pay us.
That’s like saying the cooks at McDonald’s don’t make the company any money, only the cashiers do.
You can’t sell someone a delivery service without the actual delivery – come on man.
It’s exactly like that actually, thanks for confirming that you understand and get back in the kitchen, or line.
Thee is fortunately no tax on stupidity.
you remember you went on strike in 2018 which cost CPC a lot of customers? remember that?
Is union management getting paid, as most are not postal workers – are they still getting benefits. I read the CUPW was given the option to cover benefits of workers on strike but refused the offer. CPC is within is rights to deny benefits for workers not working. The question I have, who gave CUPW management the right to deny a benefits offer without consulting members.
The union management and negotiators make ALL the decisions for you now. They know what is best for everyone. What a bunch of BS. They have never heard of democracy and that is why they keep going to Cuba.
Shock that cupw didn’t allow you to make decisions on benefits or vote on contract. A good union who wasn’t a dictatorship would have allowed it.
I agree. At my old job, where I was a Manager, the Union Reps would visit their sectors and go to each store and speak with all of the workers individually and when the time came for negotiations, they would include the members. Someone who represented them within each store and they had a conference call with each rep from the stores, each Union Rep for their Sector and each Store Manager to make sure everyone was in agreement. This is the first Union that I have ever been a part of that I am not a part of. It’s maddening that I have people speaking for me and for everyone else without actually listening to what we have to say. It’s not that I disagree with what they are fighting for, but there are so many points I have been reading in these comments that should be heard and considered. We are, after all, the ones in the front lines so to speak.
CPC not paying benefits is sheer scare tactic and nonsense. When this is settled compensation for those who are out of pocket will be made. All the effort to harm employees does simply that – harm employees (not the mention CPC’s image). They will NEVER break the union. EVER. They may get arbitration next year, or privatize us the year after, BUT there will always be a union. Period.
Why would CPC pay benefits when CUPW chose to shut down the entire company? Should CPC also be paying wages while you walk the line and huddle around the pallet fire? CUPW was given the option to pay for benefits for their members and they chose not to, what does that say about the Union?
The sense of entitlement is astounding.
Some people think they are entitled to have everything even if they go against the one providing…. greedy entitled employees. Employees like this should be fired first.
Don’t count on CUPW if CPC gets privatized…the Union will be the first to go, along with the Groupies so there goes half the workforce
Take the deal they of whatever they are offering and let the part timers deliver on weekends. This saves the company for now! When things pick up the new generation of workers can fight to improve their situation with CP. Right now the Union is milking a dry cow and we are letting them drag us through this desert where there is no water at the END!!
Management……stop with the fear mongering already. We see right through you.
Yup. Exactly!
Why don’t you take off your rose colored glasses? This isn’t fear mongering…this is REAL…both sides have really done it this time especially CUPW thinking it’s 1980s/90s😡
I don’t know if I’ll ever work for Canada post, but thank you for securing my future CUPW !
Thanks for destroying Christmas for seniors who depends on Christmas cards, charities that depend on Christmas mailings, family from isolated parts of the country that depend on the postal services.
A strike at Christmas is opportunistic and had left an entire country without a mail service.
The corporation reputationally now is damaged and the service deemed unreliable.
You can thank the CUPW for ALL of that. They are the ones that called the strike when they were still at the table.
Yeah right. All because of a strike. You made your bed cpc
Exactly. CPC management can LIE (pun intended) in it!
You’re welcome!
Sincerely,
CPC management
Soon this will all be over and both sides will get exactly what they wanted all along. We will get legislated back, CPC will win in arbitration and CUPW will cry fowl play again and save face by not giving into the corps demands. This movie plays out the same every 4 years.
Now is about the time that maybe you move a little bit as well, instead of demanding Canada post to give in to cupws demands. My definition of negotiation is a give and take type of conversation, not no, and I want, gimme. We hear about how Canada post has come closer to our “position” but never hear about how cupw is coming closer to Canada post’s position. Negotiations in our line of work have to be a compromise, especially in a very volatile ever changing market like ours. The competition is fierce. I understand that we need to protect full time good paying jobs, but at what cost? If we are not careful there won’t be a Canada post to provide good paying full time jobs. The model is “not” sustainable anymore. If this goes to arbitration, (and YES it will at some point if this drags out for weeks on end) Canada post will
most certainly win their case for the change in the delivery model AND with part time employees.
Canada post had that option to move forward with MSCs like they did years ago with them, and basically blew it by being 2 steps behind and eliminating those positions, why can’t they get it back? MSC positions were primarily part time and turned into many full time positions over time. I am just 1 of many (I’ve personally talked to 100+) who absolutely DO NOT want to work weekends as a full time mail carrier, no to split RDO, and no to rotation days off. After 32 yrs I have never seen as much incompetence on either side as I have seen this past year. We need a deal done ASAP, it’s our Christmas too! In the past 32 yrs of work disruptions, I haven’t seen many gains for the urban side, and we certainly aren’t gaining anything of substance this time either. In 6 rounds of work disruptions there hasn’t been a reason to believe in cupw, and this time isn’t playing out any differently.
Negotiate properly!
so if you think that CPC will win in arbitration then that means that their deal is better for both parties than CUPW, why can’t CUPW just come to the table now?
Let see. The PM went to Florida to party with donny osmond trump. At our expense. He also gave millions of dollars to help out in the middle east. And something about reducing gst on certain products. What a guy what a great guy. Maybe somebody should tell the PM his country of Canada is without a working postal system. And if someone can pass this text to him, maybe just maybe he can help to correct the problem. Just a thought
…and not a well thought out thought.
That’s why I am PM. Pls vote for me in the next election. Just like Cupw allowed you to vote on any contracts. Hum?
What does a big corporation like Canada Post have to do the PM of Canada? The Government of Canada does not run Canada Post. The problem is with the CPC management and CUPW executives.
Neither sides is willing to budge at the expense of the customers, the businesses, and the struggling workers who just want to back to work.
The workers have not been treated fairly in wages, health and safety, pensions and benefits.
Canada Post workers make less than FedEx and UPS drivers.
The starting wage at UPS in Ottawa is $20.50 and that’s part time.
👍👍
Lots of CP management gonna go back to their old jobs at canadian tire and Walmart …because there is no mail …
If management is going to Walmart or Canadian Tire, you must be going to 7-11 or Skip hey, just saying.
They can supervise you there as well.
That’s only IF those corporations would take them back. They probably celebrated when dropped a bunch of dead weight.
Union has no leg to stand on , who cares about the part timers delivering on the weekends let them!. Most of my colleagues can’t manage their money so they are crying now. You wish you didn’t vote yes to strike now did you?
No Idont waffle as you do. I stand firmly by my voting no and would do it again no questions asked.
You must have gone and got yourself one of those personal loans like your union advised. You know you got to pay that back- right?
Once again unlike like you no waffling, I was prepared. Saw this coming from a mile away. Didnt bury my head in the sand pretending this company gives a crap about us or would never betray us. Your type whines the loudest but wont lift a finger when having to fight for whats right. Just keep posting and complaining how the mean union forced you at gun point to go on strike. Even better when we finally negiote what is owed to us, I dare you to forego any gains to support your misguided moral high ground
funny how cupw members say they are prepared… prepared to live without income for 1-2+ months and fighting for 5% increase pay yearly… you already lost that 5% increase pay by striking 1 month… and more to come….
Nope, still okay to wait longer. Got money in the bank. Plus I’m still getting half a paycheque Thursday. ✌🏼
Half is better than nothing. That will be the next one unfortunately.
Good for you, not everyone is that fortunate.
Back to work by next Monday or out of work for good..
Not happening-this is going to go till most likely Jan.
if CPC wanted to be profitable, instead of opening Saint albert Jackson mail processing plant, they should have opened BITCOIN mining warehouse, and guess we would have all got bonuses in bit-coins.
Hello there my fellow CUPW workers. I want to inform you of some important facts you all should familiarize yourself with. I have mentioned in past threads regarding verification of strike votes that no local level can provide proof that 95 % of cupw voted to strike. I provide more details of this below for your own knowledge. CUPW, like many unions in Canada, follows specific labor laws and internal governance rules regarding strike votes.
Legal Requirements: Under Canadian labor law, specifically the Canada Labour Code, unions are required to hold a strike vote and have majority support to legally go on strike. However, the law doesn’t require unions to disclose detailed voting results to individual members. The union is only required to certify that a majority of those voting supported the strike for it to be legal. Like what happened, you will never know the answer if there really was a majority voting for a strike.
Union Constitution and Bylaws: CUPW, like other unions, operates under a constitution and bylaws that outline the rules for strike votes and other internal decisions. These rules typically specify the process for holding a strike vote but may not require detailed results to be disclosed to all members. Often, the union leadership will announce whether the strike vote passed or failed, but they may not break down the vote in detail. This will never happen because they want everyone to think the majority voted to strike inorder to up solidarity with their thinking.
Solidarity and Unity: Keeping the detailed results of a strike vote private helps preserve unity within the union. If the results of a strike vote are close or publicly divided, it could cause discord or weaken the union’s position during negotiations with the employer. Not disclosing the specific vote counts can help maintain solidarity.
As we continue to stand on the picket lines, I understand that many of us are facing financial strain. We’re currently receiving $280 weekly strike pay, but I believe it’s time to take action that will help us return to work and secure a better outcome.
What You Can Do Now: I strongly urge each of you to take the following steps if you are committed to resolving this situation:
Email the Federal Minister of Labor: Let them know about the impact this strike is having on us, and request their intervention to help bring both sides back to the negotiating table.
Contact Your Local MPs: Elected officials need to understand the hardship we are facing and can advocate on our behalf. Ask them to reach out to the labor minister and push for a resolution that allows us to return to work.
Reach Out to the Media: Share your story. Local and national media outlets can help raise awareness of our situation and put public pressure on those involved in negotiations.
I did contact my MP and noted that the strike is terrible that is no way did I support the strike and that the CPC is losing money – the business model needs to be revisited and that what CUPW was asking for was unreasonable and step away for negotiation until CUPW accepted the financial realities facing the CPC
OK soup
What part of what CUPW is asking for is unreasonable? Wage increases that catch us up to inflation? Staffing weekend deliveries with permanent positions instead of shifting to gig work? Put a pause on implementing new systems until health & safety concerns are dealt with?
As for the financial realities, please point to a company in the private sector that hands out bonuses to executives for reporting massive losses instead of showing them the door.
Don’t be fooled by accounting tricks, some of which would be tax fraud in the private sector (like expensing investments). If you read the financials, you will note that CPC has positive cash flow.
Cpc laying off supervisors
I’m a supervisor and I’m still PAID IN FULL and told to wait for details to report back. APOC FTW!
Yep-APOC still being paid but the other big difference is if they get laid off, they can apply for EI unlike a striking CUPW member.
wait just wait ..u will be back at ur old job at canadian tire soon
Letter must be lost in mail. It’s coming bud
Yes APOC for the whining.
Finally
Literally won’t make any difference when/if we ever go back.
They shouldn’t. Terminate them instead! Superintendents, managers, and upper management as well.
Supervisors and some management getting laid off or fired … no work .. CPC has no bounds
About time! There’s way too many of them. They should of axed them years ago!
Not sure why everyone is freaking out. This is going exactly as to be expected. We are on our 3rd week, that’s about right, government force back soon to come
Because management trolls sitting around with nothing to do, much like they always do, are fear mongering online.
on week 4th start paniking… no one is going to save cupw this time..
P/T MSC
Used to be the best job in the company!
This union is nuts…. 🥜
Where’s all my junkmail. I have nothing to throw out. Oh well, I guess it’s time to book my trip to Cuba joining the cupw and cpc executives next couple weeks. Cheers
Give it a rest. Your incessant whining isnt a very flattering look or constructive in any way shape or form and only proves you are weak in Canada post eyes
You are a comic legend, so funny and SO original!
Dont forget going to kiss the ring of your cpc overlords
Right on .. might as well look for a job while u are at it .. CP MANAGEMENT IS BECOMING EXTINCT LIKE THE DINOSAURS
Yawn!
Unfortunately it is very possible that these layoffs are permanent. The question is how many of us can continue to go without a paycheck? At this rate we wont see one this December. The CUPW has ruined Christmas for all its members.
Haha. Layoffs permanent. You clearly don’t know the contract.
Why do you refer to the contract that is void? You are right but it has nothing to do with the contract. It is the labor code and the charter of rights that will save you.
I agree to some extent, I read up the labour code , CPC has the right to lay us off , they cannot hire someone new unless we have been brought back to work first; however if there is not enough work, due to the loss in market share, and they don’t need all 55000 employees, they are under no obligation under the labour code to do so.
There’s no contract…you watch if there’s one within the next year there will be a lay off clause…CPC can’t operate anymore the way they are…It’s not the 1980s or 90s
Also doesnt realize misplaced misdirected blame on CUPW as if they’re the ones originally to blame trying to screw over employees after money wasted and blown on bonuses and lord knows what else. Too small minded and self absorbed to realize union to be cheered on this particular subject
They arent permanent, only temporary. Workers can go back to work “IF” Canada Post still exist after the talks.
Why do you think the ROE’s are going out. That’s never happened before so strap in cause it’s gonna be a bumpy ride.
You dont have a contract so too bad so sad
Come out and picket. At least you get some cash
As soon as we go back to work collective agreement back on
Jobs will be there
This is part of negotiating
As you say, “The CUPW” did not ruin Christmas. CANADA POST COPORATION ruined Christmas and countless lives . Wake up!
Did CPC kick us out or did CUPW walk out? CUPW started this whole thing with their strike notice. Wake up!
Nope! CUPW gave 72-hour notice to strike on November 12th, BUT they said a strike wouldn’t be needed as long as Canada Post continued negotiations in good faith. Canada Post responded two hours later by terminating our CBA. The was no way workers would continue without protections, so we HAD to strike. This was all corporate’s plan, and you bought into it!
This!
Yup. Management lies and a sucker born everyday.
Strike notice does not specify what form a strike might take, nor does it necessarily mean there will be a strike at all – it is often issued to put pressure on the other side.
Following CUPW’s notice, Canada Post issued a lockout notice (which does not necessarily mean a lockout will happen) and later that day posted a bulletin indicating that health care coverage (including prescription drugs) would be cut three days later (regardless of what form any strike action might take) – something they have not done in past disputes.
It was widely assumed there would be rotating strikes until Canada Post made this unprecedented attack on its employees’ health care. Canada Post could have waited to see what form strike action (if any) would take; instead they chose to attack workers’ health and in doing so likely provoked the general strike.
blah blah management post blah
Wake up Canada post did all this they are bullies
Cupw walked off the job. Had an offer that included a raise. I’d say you ruined your own Christmas.
You call that a raise? Pfftt
The British Government sold the Royal Mail Service (a 500 year old institution) to a Czech billionaire for $4.6 billion dollars in May 2024. I fear the same thing is coming our way. What a miscalculation by the union. Best of luck everyone.
Lets GOOOOOO!! No more slackers.
Yes. Then they slashed employees, including management. Good luck to all!
according to british friends, the service quality also went way down after they did this 🙁
I am sorry to say but after 30 years at CPC looks like management and CUPW wants this company to go broke .Why is it a secret how many people showed up to vote for a strike ? did anybody explained that strike =no pay, no benefits, no pension, no STDP ,no LTD ?
They wanted to fight without any consequences….
I voted yes to strike knowing full well what could happen, having been through one already. There’s no way CPC’s offer was acceptable.
I wonder how long until they start laying off supers? I mean they are not paying us, so we cost them nothing. No money coming in since we’ve choked it. But to pay thousands of supers? You know they are looking at that. Besides you’ve been replaced already by the POCUR app. The days of walking around checking if there are checkmarks or not are soon over…but they will always need us to deliver the mail. And nobody can or wants to. We’ll get to a trimmed management, one way or another…
‘Need us to deliver mail.’ hahahaha Most people would be satisfied with one day a week delivery, you’re really not as important as you think you are. Not much difference between LCs and the long forgotten kids delivering newspapers, the only differences being they worked hard and you have a driver’s license.
Make yourselves useful for once. Go check if admail slips initialed and then re count all the elastics in the building. After that’s done detail all the trucks and make sure all are gassed up.
“A drowning man will drag you down with him” No one wins here.
Let’s just all get back to work so we have a slim chance of repairing the damaged done. I’d say let’s take a vote on it. But CUPW won’t let us do that.
That’s a no to last CPC offer for me.
unlike CUPW they have a contract that has a no layoff clause.
The supers have a contract in place, different union. They will be last to be laid off
Supers have a contract with a different union for representation. They aren’t striking. They will be last to be laid off.
Canada Post is saving money by not paying us , but there using Purolator to pick up all the CPC contracts, there still making money thru this struck , they couldn’t care about there work force ,if we’re out this week still our pay check for Dec 19 will be Zero $0. That’s what they want for us, to have no money days before Christmas. I’ve been here 34 years and they don’t care about there employees.
They have already been using purolator long before we went on strike. Did you not notice a marked decrease in parcels on your route? Talk to puro employees, cpc screwing us over for months!
Time to go back to work! Enough of this solidarity mumboJumbo for demands that workers never asked for and go broke! We are not in Cuba!
Workers didn’t ask….we demanded no rollbacks!!!!!!!!
The demands literally come from the workers.
Solidarity we will go back when rollbacks end
No they want to wait until the workers are fully broke and they can go other jobs just to survive.
Many of us already have other jobs because we cant survive on the pittance that Canada post calls pay. To the pot stirring supers who would wade into this post. we dont make anywhere near as much for how little or nothing you do
Please stay the course
Be
Strong
I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to the membership for my on going rants on how I think the union should be run. I have been trying to force an end to the strike, not taking into consideration the consequences of my one sided managerial remarks that would force many people into hardship for years to come. Please disregard my selfishness.
Hahaha you are not Gary
Yeah, guys like Gary never would have that kind of humility to be able to step back and see the big picture. The Garys of the world have tunnel vision and can’t see past their nose. They want immediate gratification. They let somebody else make the decisions, then pick and choose which ones they will abide by. They kick down and claw up that way they never have to make a difference on their own accord. Once they find a comfortable spot in life they sit and wait for a weakness in their superiors while they keep their inferiors at bay with a sharp stick. No way was that last post made by a Gary.
Why do you feel the need to impersonate Gary? Are you a union exec?
Yes he is and hes very jealous a lowly blue collar worker makes more sense than he ever has
We could only wish the real Gary would be this self-aware. He DOES NOT speak for the majority of us! Solidarity! Fight til the fight is done!
Canada Post must not give in on any senseless demands. The old school of brainless Union radicals who want everything and do not even work. They only want money to fill their pockets so they can travel to Cuba. Canada Post must take away any privileges given to all Union reps. Make the Union pay for the time they spend at work locations wasting employees time. Take away the Union education fund, hundreds of thousands of dollars given to them wasted when that money can be given to charities.
Canada Post must respond in kind to make sure this Union gets the message.
I feel protected by Canada Post NOT the Union.
The union should not be doing any educationals at all, its all a cover to party and spend our money. Niagara falls, Cuba, women’s retreats, none of this is beneficial to anyone except the lazy union who left us high and dry and are NOT even paying people properly.. CUPW from a lot of us that agree, you caused this mess, stop holding us and Canadians hostage, let go of your BS demands and finish this, because this is your final warning, we will remove you for a better representation..
I see i huge cut in management.. a source told me they will begin trimming the far because of the strike .. supervisors and managers are on the chopping block
Ohhhh, a source…whatever you need to warm yourself on the line
So? So are CUPW members…they’re going to get rid of half the workforce guaranteed by this time next year! Me ill be retired by summer hopefully!
Maybe 25 + year people and you know what-they will get a golden handshake buyout so no big deal to them.
CUPW must not give in to the corporations attack on the workers that make this company run. The corporation has been management heavy for years and these overpaid executives continue to make bad business decisions that cost the corporation dearly. Labour costs are part of doing business but wasting money on sensless inititives will sink any company and that has been going on for years. Time to clean things up starting at the top.
you feel this way while accepting the wages and benefits afforded to you by collective agreements fought for by your co workers. please educate yourself on the history of the labor movement. the only reason you feel protected by the company is because the union is standing there forcing them to. if you feel strongly about your views why don’t you put your name on your post?
Yes
Why isnt the union covering for their members pay check? They have been taking money from them all those years and now they are giving peanuts to them….
Just wait until you cut and do the box walk. Tell us then how protected you feel by CPC then!
Since the entire issue in these negotiation is the delivery factor and only affects outside workers and the inside workers are once again just pawns that are being sacrificed, this is what they could do.
Plants process the parcels. Parcels get delivered to the RPO. Costumer gets a notification that they have a pick-up and that is that. CPC could undercut any competitor as there is no door to door delivery. Inside workers get back to work and are no longer just being used by the union for the benefit of others.
Negotiations can continue and get settled on the merits of people that are actually effected by it.
How does it get to the RPO in this scenario? Plant also being the biggest waste of wages
I agree. PO4’s are always forgotten in contract talks. We don’t matter to the Union.
Everything affects everyone
LC
Po4
MSC
We are the union
One for all. All for one
Group power only way. If we fight among ourselves we won’t win
Stay the course
Stay strong
Uh, that is called a department store.
More and more of us are feeling caught between the power struggles of the union and corporation…bring us an offer already
FYI purolator delivering our packages now.
What do you mean “our packages”? Nothing that was accepted into the mail stream before the strike has gone anywhere. But nice scare tactic.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. I wish I could upload a video. Purolator is delivering (some) of our packages. I assure you of this. They don’t need to go to gateway for sortation to make this happen.
Can post owns Purolator. Purolator is indeed delivering “our” parcels and started well before strike commenced. Apparently they are also doing “our” customer pickups in places also. CPC has not lost a dollar and if anything way ahead of the game not having a 55000 + payroll to worry about. Guess what, if anything probably more big bonuses voted for themselves by the clueless running this shadow of a former self company
They have their own things to deliver. Those are no longer Canada Post customers and they are not coming back
CPC makes money as Purolator thrives
Good
Thank CUPW for dragging this on, loss of business and permanent layoffs coming.. Members still waiting on first strike pay also..
First strike pay already done
Second round on the way
Well of course, what did you think was going to happen?
So? So are CUPW members…they’re going to get rid of half the workforce guaranteed by this time next year! Me ill be retired by summer hopefully!
That’s the most ridiculous comment YET…Our parcels!😂😂😂
False
They are taking the ones in the system and delivering them. True story
Nothing is going to change with the “framework” proposal. CPC wants big changes which CUPW rightfully should object to. They will still be at an impasse by the end of this week and that’s when we will get legislated back with lots of changes. Don’t expect to be back to work for 10 days to 2 weeks.
CUPW do not realize that if there is no CPC anymore, there is also no DC!
Canada post will be here for a long time. It will change but hopefully in a better direction than bullying. Get rid of management team. This might stop some of the problems. Some of them are stuck in a resort in muskoka
Looks like more then a week no pay till Jan 25 thanks cupw
Come out and picket!
Are all the Union “Executives ” picketing??? I don’t think so.
In bc they are
One week no pay ruins your life? That’s brutal
You can’t say that, many live paycheque to paycheque, that’s the reality of the country we live in.
Exactly!!
Sad reality to put yourself in that position with poor life decisions though.
You don’t know people’s situations. Maybe they try to save but in today’s economy it’s not very easy. Glad you are doing fine and prepared accordingly!! Good for you.. pat yourself on the back 👏🏻
i think CUPW members should learn to save their money, that way they can hold out longer when their oh so beloved union decides to go on strike! most are pay to pay at canada post especially CUPW’s.
Don’t forget when this is all settled, union dues will go up to get back all the strike pay that was paid out.
Union dues are set by a predetermined percentage outlined in our national constitution.
They raised our dues $5 without us getting a pay increase, what are you smoking.. They should not be allowed to raise dues if we get legislated back to work.. CUPW is a joke
I agree 100%. They say come out and picket, ha what a joke. You’ve made millions on our dues, and you think me standing in the cold freezing my butt off while the union executives do nothing is the right thing to do?? Really?? Nope I’m good in my warm cozy home. While CUPW drags their butt’s and ruin people’s lives. As someone else stated, in this economy, most live paycheck to paycheck. 3 weeks + for most is very difficult.
That’s not true. Your “dues” are directly tied to our wages. If your “dues” went up $5 it was due to local assessment. In which case your local membership voted on it and approved it.
Union dues can be a max 300% of our hourly wage, we get a raise so does the union. Plus, they will try to recoup the dues we are presently not paying.
This is the time when the Union people steal our money and get even more on arrears and increased dues.
Sad but true. It happens every time we go on strike.
Yes thanks for pointing that out. And its supposed to help us out now how??????
BEST thing for members is get rid of CUPW!!!!
Absolutely!! that is the solution.
Yes CUPW has to go after this mess, they should also be accountable for our losses in income as well..
Me here at the picket line listening to everyone short stories but always ends with every laughing in the end.. That’s for ya Canadian things eh.. not everybody want to work yet, another week of this? and here brotherhood being forge with solidarity.
Royal Mail still has a union
They still go on strike even after privatizing
Exactly! Privatization won’t solve the problems at Canada Post.
It’s festivus for the rest of us
Happy festivus!
Can I just go back to work? I feel so powerless. Can Canada Post present an offer so we can vote? I don’t want CUPW making any more decisions.
Then go sway
If you don’t want to fight for this job and stand in solidarity, why don’t you just look for another job if you want to work so bad, tons of people are hiring even with your limited skill set as a CUPW member.
Um no? I actually really like my job. Maybe you can find a different job if you don’t like the working conditions.
Bravo!
👏🏻 amen!! Exactly
Did you even read what you have written.. “if you want to work so bad find another job” I had one thank you very much. It’s not easy to find another when you say are on strike who hires a striking postal worker that could go back to work on a seconds notice
Take temporary jobs. There are agencies that specialize in temp workforces. You contact them to check what’s available that week and take what you like. You can have daily assignments, or longer. Your choice.
We don’t get to vote on every offer. Union decides if its worthy of voting on first.
No. Not liking CPC’s offer.
“solidarity, hold the line, we are 55,000 strong and together we are unstoppable”
I can’t take anymore of the absurdity
bro they are unstoppable. an unstoppable train…. but once they reach the end of the track, the train has either to turn or it crashes.
My last few comments were not allowed ,I guess I broke the rules by calling cupw and cpc executives the smartest people they ever met! I won’t make that mistake again.
Hello there my fellow CUPW workers. I want to inform you of some important facts you all should familiarize yourself with. I have mentioned in past threads regarding verification of strike votes that no local level can provide proof that 95 % of cupw voted to strike. I provide more details of this below for your own knowledge. CUPW, like many unions in Canada, follows specific labor laws and internal governance rules regarding strike votes.
Legal Requirements: Under Canadian labor law, specifically the Canada Labour Code, unions are required to hold a strike vote and have majority support to legally go on strike. However, the law doesn’t require unions to disclose detailed voting results to individual members. The union is only required to certify that a majority of those voting supported the strike for it to be legal. Like what happened, you will never know the answer if there really was a majority voting for a strike.
Union Constitution and Bylaws: CUPW, like other unions, operates under a constitution and bylaws that outline the rules for strike votes and other internal decisions. These rules typically specify the process for holding a strike vote but may not require detailed results to be disclosed to all members. Often, the union leadership will announce whether the strike vote passed or failed, but they may not break down the vote in detail. This will never happen because they want everyone to think the majority voted to strike inorder to up solidarity with their thinking.
Solidarity and Unity: Keeping the detailed results of a strike vote private helps preserve unity within the union. If the results of a strike vote are close or publicly divided, it could cause discord or weaken the union’s position during negotiations with the employer. Not disclosing the specific vote counts can help maintain solidarity.
As we continue to stand on the picket lines, I understand that many of us are facing financial strain. We’re currently receiving $280 weekly strike pay, but I believe it’s time to take action that will help us return to work and secure a better outcome.
What You Can Do Now: I strongly urge each of you to take the following steps if you are committed to resolving this situation:
Email the Federal Minister of Labor: Let them know about the impact this strike is having on us, and request their intervention to help bring both sides back to the negotiating table.
Contact Your Local MPs: Elected officials need to understand the hardship we are facing and can advocate on our behalf. Ask them to reach out to the labor minister and push for a resolution that allows us to return to work.
Reach Out to the Media: Share your story. Local and national media outlets can help raise awareness of our situation and put public pressure on those involved in negotiations.
Just remember my first name in the future. These local executives are no good for us.
Thanks Gary for your wise and knowledgeable inputs.
This was an offer to make an offer to make an offer. Objectively silly. But finally a brilliant tactic subjectively from the corp.
Clearly meant to win even more public support when cupw doesn’t respond positively to it. The public was starting to pivot away due to the layoff during a strike shenangians.
Fire the guy that suggested the layoffs and give a bonus to whoever thought of this bogus framework idea.
CEO is probably getting canned after this….just like the last one. Unfortunately, the workplace has forever changed. No going back now…
Clear out the whole C suite.
How about a real offer? No not yet, see you in two weeks.
See you in two weeks. Yeah right, that’s just you losing more of whatever you’re going to gain
Not really. I don’t live paycheque to paycheque. I can wait…not giving up my pension, schedule, and full time work.
Who says any of that is on the table for you? The union does? Check your source, they don’t speak for you, only for people who don’t work there yet.
I’ll patiently wait, as you provide the link where the corp, clearly states that the schedule for current full time delivery agents. Once you post it, please describe exactly how dynamic routing is going to work. I’m still waiting….
Dynamic routing doesn’t change your schedule or eliminate your full time work and you should know this. Otherwise you are misinformed, which is not surprising
Dynamic routing changes a hell of a lot.. Your post to the contrary proves the you dont grasp how dangerous and unsustainable it is
Of course it changes the schedule. Stop lying . If it doesn’t change anything, then why is being asked for? DESCRIBE how it will work in DETAIL.
How about no income for the next 2 months?
Framework? This should have been framed a year ago. Are they changing from a round table to a square table.
I have a message for the Union: You will sign this deal, tomorrow, because that’s what most of the people that pay YOU want! Now do the job you are paid to do!
I send message let’s see the deal solidarity
We are out most or all this week. NEB etc don’t care about xmas.
This is an interesting time. This is when we turn down a deal to get less later.
Hopefully we have learned from the past.
Just one he/him opinion and that’s why I am still the Champ.
Most or all of “this” week? How bout most or all of this month!
We won’t be workin till at least Friday
Who pays us? Not you it’s a crown corporation!
Then why blame cpc when an agreement is not reached?
There’s no offer to sign! CPC only put out a “framework”. Then they play to the media to try and sow discontent amongst us and the public. Don’t fall for their continuing dirty tactics!
There is no deal yet genius. Nothing to sign tomorrow. It’s a framework proposal not an offer. I doubt their “”framework”” strays too far from the crap they’ve been offering so far
Payday is coming up on Thursday, and no pay for us, well, $56. Per day
It is a bit scary with Christmas coming.
By “Pay you”, are you referring to “your tax paying” dollars because not one nickel of any Canadians “tax” money goes to paying any of the 55000+ employees wages. Canada Post is a service for pay entity and when you buy stamps or ship parcels that revenue is what is the monetary source that allows Canada Post to fulfill its Crown Corporation charter to deliver to each and every address in Canada no matter of the location.
As for RSMCs, they are subcontractors, before working for CP I knew that I didn’t want to be a subcontractor so I applied to a company LC position. Why would RSMC want to join the Urban side? Don’t want to be an RSMC apply for an Urban position.
Once again the union wants to shaft us like last contract!
💯 correct
Agreed ! They give us reasons to support, rather RSMC demands are holding back progress of Urban contract. This time Urban employees do not want rsmc contract should affect us.
I am hoping we don’t move to the urban contract
I have read a lot of the RSMC comments and the union is asking for a lot of stuff they don’t seem to want. Most of them don’t want to be hourly, or want CPC trucks, or to be merged with urban.
I am an RSMC and have been for 20 years.. I and every other RSMC I know do NOT want to be Urban letter carriers. I don’t know why the union keeps pushing for us to be more like them. There are advantages to being an RSMC and we see the crap urban letter carriers are going through in our building with this SSD.. So don’t try laying blame on us like it’s something we are asking for!!
i am also an RSMC, I do NOT want to merge with urban and i do NOT want a corporate vehicle. i do want to work!
well, its not looking good for you.
SSD is going to go into play, and RSMC’s are going to become CUPW soon enough.
SSD for 1 SSD for all.
GO SSD GO SSD GO SSD
Royal mail is going privatized
May be CUPW should consider buy out CPC and take over this Crown Corp. That way there will never be labour disruption.
You are talking an annual revenue increase from 66 millions to over 7 billions. Sounds like a good business plan.
Royal Mail still has a union
Royal Mail was privatized between 2013 and 2015. Are you just finding this out now?
Privatization won’t solve the real issues. CPC can’t compete against for-profit corporations. They are mandated by the government to serve all Canadians. For-profit corporations only serve the profitable urban areas and give the less profitable or money losing rural parcels to Canada Post for final delivery.
They can, just raise the prices of 300m parcels a couple of bucks and voila, no more deficit, and still cheapest among competitors…oh wait they just want to cry poor so as not to pay their workers
Uhhh, never the cheapest my friend. This is the entire reason why we are here
Only cheaper option is the dudes parking wherever they want and running around in track pants and pajamas.
True. While shopping online, I’ve noticed UPS often is cheaper. So Canada Post is already not the cheapest. That brings us back to the original post and how privatization won’t solve their problems.
It will solve the issue. Productivity is low at CPC thats why we need more employees to compensate and this drives up Labour Cost. Reduce the number of letter delivery to 3 days per week (Monday, Wednesday and Friday). Do parcel deliveries every day. Amazon Delivery, there can be 3 guy doing deliveries in 1 day for the same address.
Do postal banking and since we dont have union, there is no way people’s money will be on strike too. etc..
Still money losing rural routes to deliver. Still a union like Royal Mail. Amazon will still out compete in urban areas with slave contract labor. They don’t worry about 3 deliveries to the same address. They pay the same amount per parcel. It’s the contractor’s loss.
A “framework” for a deal two weeks into a nation-wide strike is complete and utter nonsense. The time has long since passed for “frameworks”.
This is a PR stunt meant to sway public opinion. The minister of labour himself just acknowledged as much in a tweet.
CPC needs to get back to the table. You aren’t getting bailed out by arbitration.
So true. Call me when we have a real offer!…for the first time
In over a year of negotiations!!!
Agreed. A framework for a deal should have been established months ago. 2 weeks into a nation wide strike, a year into negotiations is absolutely ridiculous.
Get your act together CPC
I don’t know what CUPW members do not understand about this framework or why the mediator literally just quit.
CUPW and CPC are miles away from consensus on an agreement, that’s why the framework was presented. This is Canada Post’s hard line, you want an agreement? It’ll be within this framework or we continue down the path or stalemate.
If our union screws this up i will personally start process of having our national president removed
We should remove them all anyways, this is not the first screw up they’ve done to the members and gotten worse contracts.. CUPW executive, president and all need to be removed indefinitely after this process is done and be held accountable for their actions..
Agreed
Those peoples in the union have money, when they go to the depots to talk nonsense and leave, I have seen them with luxury cars. (Mercedes, Audi). we have to get out of that cone the union.
Is Cupw bitter they didn’t get 100 k new members?
https://www.nsnews.com/national-business/uber-files-to-dismiss-complaint-by-cupw-at-ontario-labour-relations-board-5890337
this is from 2022. read much?
Yeah just coincidence that CUPW/Gigafy United are promoting their new agenda on backs of 50000k active employees.
Hooray! Let’s start a petition!!!
Time to Decertify CUPW.. enough is enough
Right on . Let’s get rid of the Union. !!
You have lots of power sounds like bully
Screws what up? You make it sound like some glorious offer has been presented to us when if fact you have no idea what they have even laid out in this “frame work”.
They will, and you wont
Hopefully the framework includes a streamlined management team, and less pointless meetings to put your parking brake on. What a waste of money, cut the staff in half
Definitely cut the useless management team in half! They are responsible for billion plus in losses!
Everyday CPC is showing the workers they do not care about Christmas, The Children, The customers. They forgot that the workers saw them through the pandemic without a new collective agreement when they could have gone on strike then. We obviously did not build their trust when we saw them through the worst of times (which were CPC’s best of times). We are just asking you to say ‘YES’ to what CUPW has ask and we promise to see it through as we have proven we most certainly can!
Trust in your people! We are the face of CPC! We will gain the trust in the customers again because of who we are to them.
As if you could have gone on strike during the pandemic…The fact is, you were happy to be working while people were being furloughed and forced to change careers. Don’t make it about you being some altruistic hero. It was just as easy to keep working especially since anyone who was willing could fill up on bottomless overtime
Not like anybody wanted to work. Our government paid them to stay home! We were declared essential. But now that the pandemic is over, we’re not treated like we’re essential anymore.
$2000 a month wasn’t keeping people at home, unless they had nothing else going on before or where part time somewhere
It kept millions of workers at home. This was pre-inflation where $2000 a month could go far. Keep in mind, a lot of people don’t live in Toronto or Vancouver.
We were and are heroes. After the pandemic Canada Post put up banners saying “Heroes Work Here”.
That’s right, Canada Post put up banners. Nobody else cared since everyone else was delivering as well.
You’re 100% correct!!!
Negotiating 101: ” just…say ‘YES’ to what CUPW has ask”.
Got it!
Next time, never say yes to an extension. Strike or get a deal, no help or breaks for this place.
See above, you wanted to keep working and you know it.
You speak as though this is a lockout and not a strike… What concessions have CUPW made? Do you even wonder?
As for me I’m ready to go back to work TOMORROW!
Hopefully CUPW realizes that they made most workers upset at them, with their demands that we never asked for , like CP Cleaners , senior check ins, future employees, and all other shenanigans , and tomorrow when they meet with CPC they are willing to seal the deal, things that really matter to workers!
Exactly we matter not CUPW propaganda and BS. They’re trying to stall and put stress on us all then blame the corporation for stalling, a tactic they’ve used for years..
Yessss!!!
As long as they don’t seal crappy deal. No roll backs and decent raises to offset inflation is mandatory.
Are you new here? This happens every 4 yrs
Let me guess you have you are lying and really don’t have anything new to offer to negotiations.
CPC is just keeping up the appearances that they are the good guys in these negotiations.
Your only answer to building profits is to increase the price of postage and shipping. You’ll need to do better than that.
Most people think Canads Post is overpriced when shipping a package or parcel.
You’ll have to offer more services and products to customers.
The best thing we can offer to customers, is fast, friendly and reliable service, for example, every package must be attempted at the door, houses , businesses or apartments… CPC , specially CUPW must tell works that this is a must.. no more carding packages in trucks at depots or without attempting at all.
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Sounds great in fairy tale land but the reality is Employee’s have created poor service for Customers because they like cutting corners and getting done after 5/6 hrs. Time to look in the mirror
That is completely true, many people don’t care about work and want to go home quickly and complain that they don’t make enough money.
Not true…Purolator 4x the price.
Do yourself a favour and start doing some research. Comparing a rural parcel is not a fair comparison. Purolator is at least $5-$10 cheaper on all major shipping lanes and cities
And who owns Purolator?
Hopefully us folks who do the real work (CUPW)get to vote on what I’d assume is CP’s half assed attempt to sell us something they want and is good for the fat cats still receiving their bonuses
Still until now , CPC offer is way better then CUPW with exception to the 24% 4 year raise
Exactly, and why is an RSMC on our page when they’re the problem for the last negotiations for all of us.. RSMC’s should never been joined with the urban side, they should be negotiated separately..
RSMC is merging with urban because of the majority who voted to have it done. It’s not what I voted for, but that’s how democracy works. Now let’s get back to focusing on getting a decent collective agreement with CPC.
Urban members don’t seem to understand or care that RSMCs will get decimated if urban leave them behind.
You know they aren’t paid hourly right? And the during the last agreement CPC made CUPW accept that during the next agreement (this one) RSMC must be converted to hourly.
How do you think that math works out? The vast majority of RSMC route a part time job with full time pay and benefits. CPC knows when they log in and out of the PDTs, and that CPC pay they for 7 hrs and they work 3.
My pay stub from 10 years ago is identical to my pay stub now,,no raise in 10 years
In that 10 years, RSMC’s have been the negotiations, not the current membership.Thats why our pays haven’t changed, another CUPW screw up and success. This is why RSMC’s should never be a part of negotiations, we give up everything to them, while our pay stays the same since back then.
That’s a tax problem, not a CPC wage issue
You RSMC’s are the problem, since you’ve joined us we’ve been getting bread crumbs for wages, stay on your own page, don’t talk for anyone here. Multiple contracts for you while we have not benefited from a decent wage. Move on and don’t speak for anyone here, you’re the problem to begin with.
we love our bonuses.
GO SSD. GO SSD. GO SSD.
i’m a supervisor. it saddens me that my colleagues, my team members, are out picketing in the cold, while barely getting a paycheque. i am worried about the future of CP, for supervisors, carriers, everyone. the current situation may mean privatization and literally 65,000 people out of work. i didn’t want my team to go on strike, but I understand why. no one wants this–we only want it to end.
You must be new. Privatization is not happening, no chance. Continue to be human and approachable. First line supervisors are closer to cupw than they know unless they are looking to climb the disgusting corporate ladder. See you soon friend.
Many would cross the picket lines, but to keep the peace we didn’t. Many picket because it’s better to get paid 50$ rather then 0$, and many others are more fortunate, so they were able to stay home with they families , or are just working others jobs meanwhile.
Try to cross. I dare you
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Breaking News – different people have different opinions and chose different things based on those opinions.
Cross to do what? Go APOC if you don’t ever want to strike
Haha. Privatization requires legislation buddy. Not happening with Trudeau unable to do anything….
The Cons will ruin Canada Post, so don’t vote for them. Jagmeet is an opportunist, so I guess we will have to stick with the Libs to help Canada Post.
What happens next year if the Conservatives get a majority government? People don’t need mail delivered five days a week, we’re not as safe as you think we are.
CMBs pulled out of storage for every neighborhood
So after privatization the mail delivers itself? Your scare tactics and lack of knowledge are pathetic.
Thank you for caring it means alot !
Our financial situation is not completely in our control. The federal government mandated us to deliver to all Canadians as a service. CPC management wants to compete against for-profit corporations who only deliver to profitable urban areas, and hand off low profit or deliveries at a loss to rural areas to us for final delivery. We cannot compete against them in such an environment. Privatization won’t change this.
Postal Banking and Senior check ins. Hold the line. 😂
Your supervisor jobs are on the line here aswell so I’d speak to your boss and his boss and her boss till the message is received and the corporation wakes up
Wait some will bailout in your dream!! 💭
Negotiate, negotiate. Both sides must be willing to compromise—this is what negotiation is all about!
Finally don’t air your dirty laundry to make postal workers look greedy there is only 2 that need to work on this
Agreed.
I guess all the employees got laid off.
Don’t get your hopes up, there is a real possibility that CUPW won’t accept the framework! I hope CUPW really listens to what the workers want and forget about their endless demands that we never asked for!
The demands literally come from asking and voting.
Right…voting. How many? 1 in 3?1in 4? Call it 95% but you know the real digits
Who cares. This goes for all sorts of democratic elections. Yes everyone doesn’t participate. Ok what’s your point?
My point is the mandate is weak, barely representative of the majority and that’s why the ice is cracking. Also why there is little sympathy, given that nobody cared enough to voice their opinion at the time.
CUPW asked us to vote on their package against CPC , not every individual offer…
I’m not talking about every offer. This whole thing has been propped up on a lie of 95%. The membership didn’t want this but was too lazy to vote. This is what we get for not voting.
Any good union would allow the workers to vote on contracts not just packages. The canadian constitution allows such ness. Cupw took that away and yes you should be angry. You have the right to vote !
Hey when was the last time you were allowed to vote on any contract?
2022. Did you vote???
Thanks to covid contract xtended til 2024 so nobody voted.
CUPW should say the conditions for talks is to apologize for laying off striking employees. The fight is just beginning folks!
GROW UP!
You knew what you were doing so don’t sound so offended. No apology, unless you want to apologize for your actions
Please give me a break! 90% of workers want to get back to work now!!! We do not want to fight for people who are not even members of this union (like cleaners). The great majority of members know the company needs weekend delivery, yes at straight-time not RDO, to survive. Stop wasting our time CUPW, we’ve all lost thousands of dollars now. Let’s get an agreement ASAP.
Fake news and false information. Management troll.
In these comments? Shocking
I agree.
100% agree!!!
I smell Christmas in the corner. Get ready your tylenol boys and girls, this gonna be bloody of work! Make sure stay hydrated at all time! We gotta show some efforts to keep this job and to get back our big clients! Enough of laziness and chitchats on the floor! We need to process all the backlogs and process everything in our floor! HAPPY HOLIDAYS to all!
Our big client base is gone until mid January at best. Nobody switches between carriers during peak season. That’s why the timing was so bad for you. Now that it’s too late for Christmas, there is nothing to do but wait for the union to tap out. Ding, ding, ding…
Funny you say “our” customer client than in the next sentence you say “the timing was so bad for you”. Another wannabe employee trolling on here.
Oh I work here. Otherwise I wouldn’t bother chiming in on this fiasco.
Big clients will come back im sure , but the deal has to be irresistible, like for example delivery parcels for gig like rates for the rest of the season. Also CP should take advantage of the GST / PST cuts.
They can actually get the clients back after the negotiations, offering them a cheap shipping for high volume of parcels and higher workforce to work with.
How is cp going to afford that? Theyre already in the gutter.
100%
In the context of negotiations, a framework agreement is an agreement between two parties that recognizes that the parties have not come to a final agreement on all matters relevant to the relationship between them, but have come to agreement on enough matters to move forward with the relationship, with further details to be agreed to in the future.
Hallelujah 🙏 this is hope I am waiting for, hopefully CPC and CUPW put us to work next week, let this be a start of a Merry Christmas for everyone.
What do workers want CUPW?
Pay raises, and to keep things how they are! Is that really complicated to ask ??!
Call me skeptical , but not posting where they have moved on feels like this is more of a PR move. We’ll find out from cupw soon enough
No OT for shift 1 till we got fired/retired. It’s payback time.
20% of graveyard workers do all the work for the 80% of you that play games so give it a rest.
we know all the incompetent blame employees
Bunch of lazy workers works on that shift. Been a casual for 18years now and i can still see the same. Most works done by afternoon. I cant wait to remove shift 2 from the Major plants and move them over to afternoon and graveyard. Seniors gonna cry and once again, protected by cupw. Lets be real, most old timers in canada post don’t do their full duties, hence Canada post keeps hiring casuals to balance the manpower which’s wasting money.
Ok, so can we have the details and let us vote. Do you realize the impact your having on so many families????!!!!! Come on!!! Get us back to work!!
Get back to work for a job having we earned that not because you have white flag. Canada Post raising the price of there services by quite a bit
So we have the concept of a plan….sounds solid to me 😂😂😂
Good luck! Never easy negotiating with an Ox.
Ox being Cupw?
Nothing new here. They have been asking for that “flexibility” all along. It’s a code word for to get a free hand to have more part time workers and give more powers to supervisors.
What’s your point? You like things the way they are? How well is that working?
Don’t get your hopes up, there is a real possibility that CUPW won’t accept the framework! I hope CUPW really listens to what the workers want and forget about their endless demands that we never asked for!
It’s a Christmas miracle!
You mean Happy Festivus, don’t you Frank?
One of the festivus traditions is the airing of grievances…seems fitting
I’ll get the pole!
Don’t forget the feats of strength.
Grasping for straws after labour minister didn’t bail them out.
This is a disgraceful display by both cpc and cupw. I’m Looking forward to making less than a days wage throughout all of next week on the picket line.
Just hoping they do some
Apoc layoffs
Next
Not happening my friend. That part is bargained for. They can wait you out and keep busy with tidying up until you crack
Hahaha tidying up! Leave the sups alone it’s not their fault. Fire sales and trainers and all the useless HR clerks.
keep dreaming. Also, im not your friend guy
Oh Poor Boy, your jealousy is showing. CUPW members don’t have the financial means to last as long as it would take to start APOC layoffs for permanent employees. Unlike CUPW, APOC currently has a Collective Agreement. Sorry to ruin your week on the picket line, hopefully you can find some positives while staring into the pallet fire.
A lot can change in a day, eh soup?
I’ll save you a spot in line at the food bank.
How’s that collective agreement treating you and your soup bros now?
You realize APOC is not involved in what’s going on between CUPW and CPC, right??? Most of us APOC employees, if not all of us, feel terrible for you folks, especially this time of year. You’re barking up the wrong tree! Try something new, think before you comment!!!
There’s no thinking allowed on this forum, you should know that by now after reading the majority of this useless comments
As a temporary worker, I strongly hope for a swift resolution to this situation. It is crucial for Canada Post and CUPW to establish a flexible and progressive model that allows us to remain competitive in a rapidly changing environment and against other market players. However, this progress should not come at the expense of casual and temporary workers, who deserve fair treatment and inclusion in a supportive work environment.
Prolonging the strike no longer serves its purpose. Let’s return to work and actively push for meaningful improvements while keeping the system running. Together, we can achieve both progress and fairness without further disruption!
Ya ok. Sure you’re a temp worker. Nice try soup
Supervisor doesn’t care how long you are out. Everyday is the same for them? This breaks up the monotony.
You’re a Temp. You’re only here for extra cash or trying to make rent while every REAL Permanent employee is fighting for their livelihood, families and hopefully a secure and healthy retirement. Temps may not be recalled for long time. You’re benefitting from every permanent employee walking the line and everyone else before us who has retired. Get lost! Solidarity CUPW !
They’re the future, you don’t speak for everyone here, have some decency and respect.. CUPW is trash, and caused this mess, you’re part of the problem..
You started as a temp, just like me. Have you forgotten those long years when you paid your dues without seeing any real benefits just because you were employed by CPC? Think back to the time you were stuck renting, struggling through those same uncertain years. Maybe then you’ll realize how shameful your words are now.
It’s 2024, not 1984. The logistics industry is evolving faster than your mindset can keep up. Instead of tearing each other down, maybe it’s time we think about adapting together because clinging to old attitudes isn’t going to cut it anymore. Don’t preach solidarity if you don’t practice it. You’re not fighting for the future by throwing stones at people who are part of it.
restore benefits as a sign of good faith. stop perpetuating the cycle of animosity between workers and the corporation.
You could always, I don’t know? Go back to work I guess. You weren’t locked out, you walked out.
Corp did offer benefits but pathetic union declined!!
CPC only offered what they legally had to under Canada Labor Code, along with roll backs to pension and benefits in the next contract.
CPC did not offer any benefits during a strike; they specifically indicated that health coverage would be cut, before they even knew whether it would be rotating strikes or a general strike. Under the Canada Labour Code, the employer cannot cancel health plans if the union attempts to pay premiums to continue the plan [§94(3)(d.1)]
Apparently, Canada Post has blocked CUPW from doing so.
This dispute cannot be resolved by the use of such intimidation tactics, and long-standing issues must not remain unresolved by forcing binding arbitration yet again. The future viability of Canada Post depends on reaching negotiated agreements on long-standing issues that can only be resolved by the parties finding solutions that work for both the corporation and its workforce.
Tell your Member of Parliament that a negotiated settlement achieved in good faith at the bargaining table is the only way forward for Canada Post and its workers.
https://www.cupw.ca/en/tell-your-mp-you-support-cupw-negotiations-canada-post
I like how CPC released this cryptic statement to the media before releasing it to employees. Withholding any details, just saying they have a framework for a deal. Will they actually negotiate this time? Or is this just a scheme to make themselves look good and try and turn more of the public against the workers they claim to love so much?
My thoughts exactly.
This is how it’s done in other union negotiations. It’s up to your union to inform the members of the offer. It’s been at least half a day and no updates on the union website that they even got an offer.
They did not get an offer, they got a “framework”, whatever that is. These things are usually very long (Canada Post’s last actual offer was hundreds of pages), so yeah, the union might take a minute to read it before posting updates about the content.
I’m sure our copy of the news statement is in the mail like the rest of the communications we got. Lol
Hey let’s see what happens. Latest update.
https://torontosun.com/news/national/canada-post-presents-union-with-framework-to-reach-deal-as-strike-continues
Too bad you didn’t move a year ago. You lost alot of business needlessly.
Yep
Solidarity get a reasonable deal done it’s our service
Boohoo 2 weeks without pay
Better than a lifetime of rollbacks. If you accept a crappy contract, it will be very difficult to get back any lost benefits. Raises you gave up in negotiations, it will compound in losses the rest of your career here.
Get back to the table and let’s get back to work. At this point , no one wins. This strike has already affected our futures. Let’s hold on to whatever’s left and get back to work.
No thanks. Wait for a better contract.
I really hope that this offer will be enough to get the deal done. Let’s go!
Not a offer
Exactly! CPC needs to make a serious offer!
Perfect Framework:
1- Keep everything we already have and get the 24% for 4 years. DONE DEAL!
Hopefully CUPW doesn’t screw things over with demands that workers never asked for!
Latest Update ✅ = No Update 💯
Still sticking with being back to work Dec 9th.
Let’s see how it goes.
Thanks for sharing that you offered a “comprehensive framework for reaching negotiated agreements” without saying anything. It took you this long to come up with this trite? It’s called negotiation! Negotiate and stop trying to rule with an iron fist. And please do zip it if you got no new info. The vague “framework” you supposedly spend days drafting don’t mean anything!….