CUPW negotiations: Parties exchange further proposals
December 6, 2024, 06:47 pm
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Canada Post and the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) have exchanged counter proposals after the Corporation presented a comprehensive framework for reaching negotiated agreements.
Working with urgency to get closer to agreements
On December 1, Canada Post presented CUPW with a framework for new agreements, which included proposals to bring greater flexibility to the Corporation’s delivery model while demonstrating movement on key issues. On December 5, CUPW presented counter proposals; today, Canada Post responded, demonstrating further movement.
Canada Post’s framework and the parties’ counter proposals were presented through the special mediator. The Corporation remains committed to working with urgency to get closer to agreements for CUPW’s Urban and RSMC bargaining units.
Changes needed to evolve the postal service
Throughout these negotiations, Canada Post has put forward detailed proposals to bring more flexibility to its outdated, mail-based delivery model. These changes are necessary to better compete in the parcel business, better serve Canadians, and drive much-needed revenue growth.
We understand the serious impacts that CUPW’s national strike is having on the millions of Canadians and businesses who rely on the postal service, especially at this critical time of year. To facilitate the negotiations process, the company will not be providing further details at this time.
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You owe the membership and Canadians and apology for destroying negotiations again, to have us picket for no reason only to benefit you, and the executives. I will demand financials and expose your salaries to everyone like you did the post office so everyone knows who the thieves really are… Disgusting, fix your mess and resign.
All comments from “Katt Pock” are from someone trying to impersonate me, an actual person. Please remove these comments.
The union has delayed this whole process, we could’ve been back long time ago, 5 star hotel and Cuba during negotiations, why would they care about us if they’re willing to go on vacation during negotiations..? CUPW doesn’t care. Congratulations to CUPW, job losses and layoffs coming
Please email the minister of labour at Steven.MacKinnon@parl.gc.ca and tell him to get us back to work. Thanks Jan S.
If you’re Jan Simpson shame on you for putting the membership through your pathetic negotiating. While we the members struggle on picket lines not even receiving strike pay on time, you have the odacity to tell us to email the Minister of labor to get us back to work. How dare you and all of CUPW to put us through the same thing you did last time when we got ordered back and had an arbitrated contract. While CUPW only thinks of going to Cuba, women’s retreats and Niagara falls we have been treated unfairly by you all, and you should all step down and resign..!! EV Chargers, Postal Banking, the same old type of demands that would profit CUPW and not the members, shame on you thinking about yourselves to put us through this, disgusting and complaints will be filed against you all for unfair negotiating practices. What a joke, now you expect us to bail you out so you all can steal from our pockets and cover another failed negotiation. Since 2011 not a single contract signed since. I hope the members see your message and see how you have failed again, and misguided, gaslit and manipulated everyone. Enough is enough..!!!
Do your job and have the negotiating committee negotiate, we’re not bailing you out..!! You did this to all the membership, you’re accountable with the rest of the union for this, so your jobs and stop demanding things that don’t benefit the members..! Email him yourself and get our strike pay on time.
Time to go to the pharmacy and pick up enough liquor to last til Dec 28. That’s the day Canada Post will set the record for LONGEST STRIKE IN CANADA POST HISTORY! CHEERS!
To get nothing as usual! Also we will never make up for the losses of wages we missed during the strike, a total ripoff! It would be worth striking for a long time if we would recoup all the money we lost during the strike or actually became richer, but ain’t gonna be the case…at least we secure a future for the next generation of posties LOL!
Wouldn’t it be nice for the union to tell their members about CPC last offer before going to the media. Wait, that’s what the union accused CP of doing.
Are you really surprised at the negative response of Cpc. Really? They wanna stick it to Cupw. And guess what you the workers that includes me are the sacrifice for the malicious vindictiveness of both Cpc and Cupw. Time for many more sips. Dec 28 new record for longest strike in Canada Post history.
Until dec 28th? Bring it till end of January where all thr unions’ fund is gone….
Exactly, the corporation is playing the unions game now, if the union actually went in for the membership and not all the other BS, we’d be at work and Canadians wouldn’t hate us.. The union using the negotiations to stress us all out, and when we get ordered back will blame Canada Post for the games CUPW played on us..
CPC has to factor in the loss of business and future revenue from the ongoing strike. There is less money available today than yesterday or the day before. Scaling back on the offers seems logical and inevitable.
CUPW and CPC fighting until the last of the 55.000 working for CP.. it’s just amazing! Maybe that’s what they want to do , they can bring a new generation of Gig workers to
CP via Gigify United… a Win/Win!
My personal list of demands now includes a signing bonus that equals the time I have been on strike. 4 weeks pay. Seems more than fair compensation for my time
From CUPW, yes. Not from CPC.
Give your head a shake…no one is safe…100 million dollars of Christmas cards? Take another sip
Shame on you CPC. All indications of your last offer taking a step backwards show you never had any intention of negotiating a contract with this union. I think your jobs have now become much less secure when this is all said and done.
The union has had 14+ months to negotiate and all they’ve done is add more and more BS to the demands. Wages, Benefits and Pension.. That’s it, let’s get to work, CUPW stop your stalling
That 2 year extension we signed was for 2%and 2% and COLA. Our COLA was paying another 3.4% at the end of the contract. ($1.01 er hour) CPC’s offer of 5% is actually only 1,6% what we were already getting at the end of the contract when you include the COLA that we were receiving.
Make those rare COLA payments part of a permanent wage increases.
Because we still despise SSD and it’s ongoing destroying our lives and bodies. On the subject of SSD arbitrator was way out of their depths to pass judgement on something they could never understand not ever halving done the job. They just took cpc words at face value. Arbitrator got played and us screwed over, AGAIN!!
SSD sucks but it is too late to stop the implementation. It just needs to modified so that people are not injuring themselves like shortening the walks that are too long or too many hills and stairs. They should have MSCs deliver the parcels.
We definitely need the MSC’s back because they can also do deliveries on weekends to bring the Parcel business back as well
It should never be too late to put the breaks on a bad idea. Correction: an idea that looks great on paper in Ottawa but is a disaster on the ground.
CUPW is not currently asking to roll back existing SSD conversions. It is asking to suspend further implementation until the significant problems it causes are addressed. Given that those problems extend beyond health and safety issues to inherent delays in the delivery of several classes of mail (which makes us less competitive), a pause button seems like good business sense.
If the current mess costs the CEO his job, I hear there’s an opening at Boeing.
Sure! When you have 30+ yrs in ( which you won’t because you sound like a newbie) you’ll be changing your tune🎵🎵Both sides are equally to blame…As the old saying goes… One lies and the other one swears to it!” This applies here…Take another sip!
100%
It might as well be July…we walked out on November 15 with no Christmas inventory….they have never negotiated in good faith…at this point return to work legislation is need and arbitration to settle contract..no sense in everyone getting burned at Christmas…
So you think going with an Arbitrator is going to be better than a negotiated contract? I didn’t spend 4 weeks on a picket line so an Arbitrator could negotiate my contract. What a waste of time that would be. Every time an Arbitrator negotiates our contract, we go further and further backwards. It’s time to go forward for a change.
The union has delayed this whole process, we could’ve been back long time ago, 5 star hotel and Cuba during negotiations, why would they care about us if they’re willing to go on vacation during negotiations..? CUPW doesn’t care. Congratulations to CUPW, job losses and layoffs coming
There are issues going back over a decade that arbitration will never resolve, as complex issues regarding operational logistics and staffing are beyond the expertise of arbitrators and can only be worked out at the bargaining table by negotiators who have full understandings of the details.
We’re were we are because there hasn’t been a negotiated collective agreement since 2007. Another imposed contract will just put us back in the same mess in a few years.
Of course those issues are not going to be worked out in a matter of days or even a couple of weeks. Maybe the best thing right now would be a temporary ceasefire – CUPW calls off the general strike and CPC restores the collective agreement including vital health coverage, while the parties go back to the table. The mail gets moving and we go back to work, at least until after the holidays, with a hard deadline to reach a deal sometime in January.
If a deal still isn’t reached by then, both sides can exercise any action under the Canada Labour Code.
$100 million dollars of Christmas Cards at stake. If this isn’t settled by Friday December 13.
Follow the money and watch as Canada post picks up its pace!
I don’t think anyone in the upper office is safe!
Give your head a shake…no one is safe…100 million dollars of Christmas cards? Take another sip
Think about this, Purolator and UPS
Put a halt of influx of parcels, you don’t think that gives cp a reason to throw there hands up and let the Government legislate us back. They just gave a worse counter back last night!
We don’t what the offer is. CPC didn’t disclose anything like CUPW did recently.
CTV is full of 💩 💩 💩.
Fact,longest strike in Canada Post history was about 6 weeks. It went from Oct 21 to Dec 3 1975 approx. This strike is now in its 4th week. It started Nov 15 and order to set a new strike record,it must go until Dec 28 . So ,i being a worker with no salary coming in ,I am willing to bet the pay of Cupw ,Cpc executives and leaders we can set a new record for the longest strike in Canada Post history. Don’t let me down.
CUPW leaders don’t get paid during the strike. CPC execs do.
Are you sure of that?
Union leaders are taking strike pay during the strike in lieu of their salaries.
Please hurry! We are starting to lose loyal customers! I miss my customers and my job. 💔
Just so all of you with hopegm get the truth..Canada post latest proposal has gone backwards.. They actually moved further away unfortunately. Fully expect the union to come forth with a statement saying as much this weekend .
I agree bring back the MSCs but fill up trucks? That won’t be happening now…who in their right mind will use CPC? Hopefully we will regain a lot of business lost🤞
Believe me many are waiting for our return. Myself included. I had to send package to grandkids in Nova Scotia. First I was asked if going elsewhere in Canada for Pete’s sake. I repeated Nova Scotia, a province in Canada I said. 5 day delivery fedex ground almost $60 and they strongly pushing insurance because some packages don’t arrive. Great service you offer here I said! People will come back to us, Im sure of it
My comments are never posted
1..Make sure you follow the comment policy.
2..Don t make any remarks exposing past discrepancies of cpc with names and dates for evidence
Tepid comments or attacks seem to be what they want here. Good luck
Is “CEO” considered a name?
Asking for a friend testing the censors.
On a related note, what about screenshots for evidence?
Wow we are in huge trouble this is very big CPC says lucky to have a job get ready new post office is on its way not good seen this stuff before
Take the deal! Worry about NOW !!!!!Times are bad! We will worry about improving our situation in 3 years when things get better @ next contract
LOL!!!
So what are these proposals from each side?? Why can’t we see them or know about them and vote?? At this point i think we should have that right. Hope this doesn’t drag on much longer.
Hmmm… Don’t count on your paycheques yet. CUPW negotiator has already made a comment about the response from Canada Post and it’s not good
https://www.ctvnews.ca/video/c3043178-cupw-calls-new-offer-a-step-backwards
Offers are now worse
I’m finally looking forward to the end of hearing about that Ian Lee guy and all his sky is falling crap. Give it a rest you’ve been wrong for 15 years, go away.
But he’s a professor…
Professor like the one from Gilligan’s Island who was so smart with inventing stuff, but couldn’t get the castaways and himself off the island of fools.
He’s the wing-man for the Cons and their “privatize canada post” nonsense. Every round of negotiations since the 80’s they been chirping about the need to privatize. This time it’s no different.
Actually the professor’s predictions have all come true. Both mail and parcel volumes have dropped drastically. Ask anyone working at the plants. Big changes will happen one way or the other. Either we accept reality, adapt and survive, or most of us lose our jobs in a forced reorg.
Love this –
“ To facilitate the negotiations process, the company will not be providing further details at this time.”
All the media lies didn’t work. CEO is gone
Not looking good. On the CTV news, our guy thinks that CP is going backwards. Not very promising for a settlement.
After 1 year of negotiations, and making workers suffer without paycheques, business suffer without our affordable prices , and the competition suffering with an overwhelming amount of parcels being thrown at them, I hope that this new indicates that we are close to going back to work, hopefully by Wednesday max!
They offered backwards. Mostly this will end by January.
We will set a new record for longest strike in Canads Post history. Woo. U should feel good about that
Most likely not going to happen brother, CUPW ask for too much. Majority of the members are only asking pay increase that would make CPC delay everything.
Bring back full time MSCs! Fill up the trucks 7 days a week
Agreed!!
I agree bring back the MSCs but fill up trucks? That won’t be happening now…who in their right mind will use CPC? Hopefully we will regain a lot of business lost🤞
a 24% wage increase would bring pay in line with inflation upon the expiry of this new CBA in 2028. the union will now have to settle for something close to 16% due to the costly error of extending the CBA in good faith in 2022.
funny fact about that extension in 2022. all board members received bonuses for avoiding a protracted labor dispute and work stoppage. instead of reciprocating in kind this round, CPC doubled down with rollbacks, and a wage cut below inflation and CPI.
a part of me suspects the feds aren’t getting involved just so they have an excuse to can the CEO after this mess.
If those US tariffs starts after Jan 20th, 24% raises won’t be much.
12 years ago the C$ was at 1.06 today its a 0.70. Money is leaving Canada and has been for years. If the price of oil collapses the dollar will weaken further. 2025 doesn’t look good. The Americans want some of our water.
Thats why CUPW seems so ANGRY, The Anger is hiding the fact that they signed a sweetheart deal in 2022. Thats when we should have gone for 40% and extra sick days. It would have been settled in A Day……
YES. THIS. A day late and a dollar short
That 2 year extension was for 2%and 2% and our COLA was paying another 3.4% at the end of the contract. No one seems to remember that COLA. CPC’s offer of 5% is actually only 1,6% what we were already getting at the end of the contract.
It seemed like a good idea at the time. I deeply regret having voted in favour of it, and will never make the mistake again of voting for something on the assumption that management will reciprocate in good faith going forward.
That 2 year extension was for 2%and 2% and our COLA was paying another 3.4% at the end of the contract. No one seems to remember that COLA. CPC’s offer of 5% is actually only 1,6% what we were already getting at the end of the contract.
After the Libs get through Dec 10 the company will settle, their hope was for no confidence, but it ain’t happening.
no confidence pls
No confidence as in yourself.
No confidence means the end of Canada Post.
So it took the union five days to respond to the framework and submit counter proposal. Now it took CP one day to counteroffer. Any guesses as to if CUPW will respond before the weekend is over. I hope that when they say they will do it with urgency, they actually mean it.
union has been working round the clock for free and took a pay cut to pay for strike pay. this is only cpc fault and maybe some workers but not the union at all. please do not speak ill of the union they did nothing wrong!!!
Are you new?
Not at all. I am a leader and officer in my local and led the strike in my region.
Well, if the union took a pay cut to pay for strike pay, there is two issues with that. 1) What happen to ALL the dues collected that were supposed to be for that cause. 2) If their pay can cover strike pay, they make WAY to much.
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Katie,
No one is blaming the locals. They are blaming the CUPW executives from the NEB.
We are all frustrated by the lack of progress and we all want to go back to work to serve our communities by delivering their mail and parcels.
Simple as that.
Please don’t take it personally.
That explains it all
the dues were used for strike pays wood food and supplies for the lines. the other monies go to grievance staffing for officers and what not. there is a lot of overhead you don’t know about.
union used funds for work related shops and strike pay strike supplies and so forth. grievances cost money as someone has to do them.
Thought no one got paid in the Union? Grievances cost money and someone has to do them?! You put your foot in your mouth! Lol
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Comrade we are not allowed to even think bad thoughts of our Union Leaderships. Like Katt said any Union Officer is a God and should be treated as such.
can you do better!
No, that’s not true. Both sides are fully to blame for this disaster. CUPW because they never compromise and somehow want to return to the 1980’s. Now there’s finally movement after 55,000 workers have lost three weeks of pay. If the two sides can’t agree on weekend delivery or SSD, they could send those issues to arbitration and sign off on everything else. Of course that would require adult behavior on both sides. I guess if the great majority of our members don’t need a pay cheque, we can stay out forever.
No pain no gain stay strong 💪
If those items go to arbitration, CPC wins. That’s what we DON’T want.
Well, SSD did go to arbitration, and yes CPC won. Why is this still an issue?
My late great mother with no education or negotiations skills could have done better. Pathetic all of you!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would use the JURY theory. The longer it takes CUPW to respond the more they don’t like the offer.
The cp counter proposal has steps back on what they offered , nothing forward.
Just heard from the union on ctv.
Let’s get back to work. We are now 4 safety meetings behind. I’m losing my weekly snow safety. Safety first. Let’s make a deal.
You simultaneously make a mockery of the safety stuff and complain about the savage work environment. Which isn’t? Of course everything is fine when it’s not contract time
Thank goodness BOTH sides have finally made some concessions and the light at the end of the tunnel is finally visible
When a negotiation takes this long, BOTH sides is are guilty- CPC for mindless spending, delaying Global offers= CUPW for striking during a season when the Canadian public truly counts on us, and for sacrificing the needs of its CURRENT members for future workers
Get it done, and get it done QUICKLY
Negotiations just began after mediator pulled back. Agreement is around the corner 💪
I hope you’re right! Will the two sides actually work through the weekend?
They will. Mediator needs to see serious movement from both side to call them together to reach an agreement. Its gonna happen soon maybe within next week.
Another canned PR statement meant to sway public opinion.
You extended the CBA in 2022. You knew this round of negotiations would mean you’d finally have to confront longstanding issues that were placed on hold due to the pandemic. What did you do? You obfuscated for over a year, while shirking responsibility hoping for binding arbitration to save you. You never negotiated in earnest.
One can only hope this CEO and his executive team are through after this debacle.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 THIS!
Bob makes posts as “anonymous” and then responds to his own post with lots of clapping hands. I trust everything he says, because look at all the little clapping hands.
When did the union ever bargain early or in earnest? Was that down in Cuba? Did they start with a demand of no technology improvements and a 50% wage increase? Based on what they are proposing these days I can only imagine where they started a year ago
It’s not up to the union to start negotiations or make an offer. Dumb!
Union tried so hard for so many years. It is all and only cpc fault. Cupw did nothing wrong and only tried to help us they even took a pay cut to give us more!
Get real
a pay cut LOL
That’s my point Bob, the union didn’t try because it’s “not up to the union”
Nowhere does it say they can’t. You just waited the three years milking 6 hour shifts with overtime always available
union only did what was right maybe you are wrong
The 6 hour shift is including a split of OT.
Stop talking bad about the union they don’t even go to cuba and never did anything wrong. Most of their work is unpaid and they work round the clock.
You’re kidding, right? Of course they go to Cuba, along with countless four-day training courses and workshops in local resorts across Canada every year. All paid for by our dues. Of course CUPW may be broke soon, because of all the strike pay they’ve now paid out. Another reason to get this deal done right now!
not true i am a union officer and none of this is true. they only put on workshops that members request that aide in our work that is about it. maybe they vacation in their free time as they are entitled too. stop spreading misinformation
They don’t get paid for by our dues. Its worse than that. The union bargained in a union education fund that cpc puts money into each year so they union can keep running courses on why you can’t trust the media, and learning to sing union songs. That union education fund only benefits a very small number of people but in order to get it, the union had to give up some other monetary demand that would have benefitted all of us. So Kat, forgive some of us if we aren’t new and looking at this through the rose-flavored-koolaid tinted glasses that you are.
the union uses that money to teach members and giving up a few sick days and severance was worth it. look at how diverse we are now and hopefully we can build of that.
The education fund only benefits a very small number of members. I would guess that 95% of the members don’t even jpknow about the courses being offered (see what I did there?) And yes, the union gave up our severence pay but that wasn’t for the education fund, that was to buy off cpc so they would allows the rsmcs to be unionized. And most of the membership didn’t want that. Neither did the other unions that were forced to give up their severance as a result.
Along with CUPW National Executive…let them go back on the workfloor and explain how they “tried” uh huh…I don’t think they’ll be welcomed with open arms😡Except by their Groupies toasting them with kool-aid!😂
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Genuinely curious, why can’t they give us a detailed update of the negotiation? Wouldn’t it help to know the general responses of the 55,000 workers? Seems like a cop out to me when both the union and corporation keep insisting that withholding information is in our best interest.
You’re that guy who doesn’t understand why people keep their cards hidden when playing poker, aren’t you…
There is always secrecy when it comes to bargaining for good reasons. Not sure what they are but I’ve been assured that they are good reasons. Maybe its so the bargaining teams on both sides don’t have to listen to 55000 people who think they know more than the people at the table do?
When you say Canada Post can deliver parcels seven days a week, are you saying on the weekends with overtime on a regular basis? If you are.. how does that make sense and what company would want to do that on a unsustainable basis going forward.
It makes no sense to pay double on weekend deliveries. No one in their right mind would do this.
Of course it makes no sense, and it wouldn’t happen if CPC created permanent full and part-time positions for weekend deliveries. When folks who work Mon-Fri also work weekends they get double pay. With proper staffing that avoids overtime, weekend work is at straight pay plus the $1.40.hour weekend premium.
You’d probably see days of the week for shift patterns adjusted. Instead of M-F, Sunday – Thursday, Tuesday to Saturday, that kind of thing? I can see them doing that to get out of paying overtime.
If this is urgency, I can now see why service is so slow. Both sides should be ashamed. Over a yr of “talks” and “negotiations” and still squat. After this mess is over, you mine as well just start negotiating the next contract. Maybe 3 yrs will be enough time to get a deal.
I will be running for 846 local president. Thank you for your support. I will hold CPC feet to the fire on important issues like transitioning, cuba trips and (un)fashionable hair colors.
Your biggest will problem to live down the negative position many people have about cupw president and executives. Not an easy task. You may try a different approach such giving reasons for the workers to trust and respect you;instead of playing them for chumps. Something that many union leaders have done in the past. Get the workers on your side ,not against you!
Just to add something else ,you would have a better chance to get workers on your side if you and rest of the union leaders changed the rules and let the workers vote on any contract offer. That was not offered to us. Many,all workers very angry about that.
Okay, all things in good fun but please no personalized attacks on who you think someone might be.
the govt refuses to step in now but the liberals helped cause this strike by killing cpc plan to modernize when they took power and killed pt
Canada Post has given up on some of the draconian measures they tried to harm workers with for more than one year. Now we are close to actual negotiations. Never forget what this immoral company did. The only reason these inept managers are moving now is because no forced arbitration is coming.
cpc is paying your wage, do you think they care? that is 60-70% less labour cost every month… they might not get the volume but they are also not paying 55K members and electricity to run the plants…. lets go cpc. no arbitration opens the eyes of all canadians…..
News on ctv just stated cp latest proposal is actually steps back. They are definitely waiting for Government to step in.
Then the CEO is as incompetent at understanding politics as he is at running a postal service. There will not be traditional back-to-work legislation for a variety of reasons.
As far as I can tell, it has never happened in a minority government, and this minority government will not introduce legislation that is not likely to pass – and it is not. If the Official Opposition were going to risk the optics of siding with the government against the other opposition parties to support it, their leader would already be demanding it to make it look like he forced the government’s hand. He’s not because he spent a lot of time this year garnering labour support (which is trending to the right worldwide) and he’s not about to throw that out the window, even at the risk of pissing off small and medium-sized businesses that are suffering from the strike. The bottom line is that there are more voting union members than business owners.
At most, the government might force a temporary ceasefire if the parties don’t have the good will to agree on one between them. This might look like a suspension of the general strike (while still allowing for rotating strikes that keep the mail moving with minor delays) and restoration of the collective agreement (with health coverage) until sometime in January while both parties go back to the bargaining table, with no binding arbitration (except on specific issues where both parties agree to it).
If a deal still isn’t reached by the deadline, both parties would regain full rights to action under the Canada Labour Code. This would resolve the immediate crisis while respecting workers’ right to strike (if limiting the scope of that action temporarily) and guaranteeing negotiated settlements. And it would be politically palatable to at least one opposition party.
Again though, this is something that the parties should be able to agree on without legislation, a last resort that the government might impose if either party showed itself to be the true Grinch by rejecting it in extreme bad faith.
Nice to see a sense of urgency……..
I will be running for union leadership. CPC just stepped on a hornets nest.
“Throughout these negotiations”?? But no formal proposal until September 29th, even though you had nearly three years to come forth with one.
“Serious impacts that CUPW’s national strike is having”?? Even though YOU forced CUPW to strike by terminating our CBA and then taking away our benefits.
This entire work stoppage is the fault of the corporation – from not coming out with offers for three years, to mismanaging funds, to giving hundreds of management employees bonuses, to implementing unsafe working conditions to a workforce you care nothing about!
We will not back down from what we need to do our jobs effectively and safely, and to protect those that come after us.
You were right except…. they paid thousands of employees bonuses lol
You’re right….i miscounted…😂
Look Bob, what were the odds that three years ago they were going to trot out new offers? You would have told them to pound sand and you know it. Stop with the safety aspect as well. Few workplaces are as nerfed as a Canada Post facility and your day to day on the road is no different than anyone else in society. It rings hollow that you make the claim that this is a safety issue. Their whole thing is Make it Safe, Make it home. Its all they talk about and its a big part of the organization. Admit that you just want money…that’s it
there is a lot of irony to their safety though, we basically get stopped from working for safety meetings that basically tell us to keep our eyes open. like when it’s snowing we have to stop what we’re doing so management can tell us that it’s snowing. it is absolutely ridiculous, and then when you do have a legitimate safety concern, like cmbs being too close to a highway or covered in a sheet of ice because the paid contractors don’t do their jobs, we are basically told to prove it and we have to beg to be kept safe at work. or, and this is my favourite, my manager hands me a bag of cat litter and tells me to keep my sites safe myself. what a joke!
forgot to mention somebody was actually killed getting their mail at one of our slippery CMB sites, and the corporation did absolutely nothing to change how they manage them during the winter. All of the decisions about how the snow is cleared in British Columbia are made in Ottawa. that makes so much sense.
Someone has probably hit one with their car or had heart attack at a CMB as well. Don’t make one offs into a corporate issue.
one offs?? and it absolutely is a corporate issue as they shove their safety first crap down our throats. it was a person who slipped and fell and died.
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Ok…I have no idea if you actually work as a letter carrier because if you did, you wouldn’t have typed something so ridiculous. My “day to day on the road is no different than anyone else”??? How is it possible you typed this?? I’ve broken both my ankles and was knocked out from falling from icy steps onto my head once. Those were during daylight hours. The way our genius management wants us to work now is to have three bundles of mail, one cradled in our arms, one in our hands, and one somewhere else (??) for flyers….starting our routes at 10am, in the winter. So, follow along with me, three bundles of mail, on icy streets and stairs, after 4pm when it gets DARK. Does that sound safe??? Not to mention broken sidewalks, broken stairs, broken porches, angry dogs (not just a stereotype!) and all in the dark.
It is not, nor has it ever been just about money!
It’s nice that you have the opportunity to work inside then, or as any number of other roles. No, you choose to work downtown or wherever in a foot walk while complaining the whole time. I don’t believe you believe your own story here either. You just wheel it out when the dealing days ramp up. I think you might even love this job. Do you love this job Bob?
I haven’t got a clue what you’re going on about, but, yes, I do love my job. I almost never complain about it, but now is the time to do so BECAUSE WE DON’T HAVE A CONTRACT. Are you new??
Truthfully, I don’t care what you believe because you are of no consequence to what’s going on here.
That’s my point, you do enjoy this job and thd company that’s treated you well. Assuming you’ve worked elsewhere you would know what I mean. Do remember that the company pulled the contract because the union wasn’t bargaining and never brought anything to the table from, what they have been showing. You’re trying to protect new employees when they don’t need to be protected.
Definite safety issue. CMBs the solution.
CMB in a densely populated city like Toronto is most definitely NOT the solution!
Everyone complaining about unsafe working conditions for LCs, but when safer options are proposed, like CMBs, LCs find ways to claim those are unsafe too. CUPW preaches safety yet pushes back on CMBs because they reduce the number of LCs to deliver; it’s never really about safety.
FYI, the UNION forced the termination of the CBA when all employees were instructed to walk out at 12:01 November 15 by CUPW for a nationwide strike. They went a step further and refused to allow all employees to enter buildings, including admin staff who have nothing to do with Operations; and you think you should be rewarded for this by having CPC cover your benefits?
And let’s not forget CUPW’s refusal to cover employee benefits when they chose to shut down the operations of the company across the country.
Recently retired letter carrier of 36 years. Can’t imagine carrying flats, letters, and four pieces of ad mail on one arm in the winter. Make it safe. Make it home.
But that’s what all letter carriers used to do before we had a combined sortation. That’s why we used to have flat cases to keep letters separate from flats. Only difference is back then there were no size or weight restrictions on junk mail so it actually used to be worse than it is now. Surely with your 36 years of carrying you would have worked with old-timers who still delivered that way and complained about how dangerous the combined sort was.
Talking the talk and walking the walk are two different things. The reality is that CPC has one of the worst health and safety records among federal entities in Canada.
And when confronted with the number of incidents that go unreported at CPC at a town hall last summer, the CEO seemed unaware that it is happening. When I was a newbie at a sorting plant and didn’t know any better, I took the rest of the day and the next instead of making a report when I was injured at work. In offering that, the superintendent implied that I would be in trouble for not being careful enough if the incident were investigated.
And yes, I should have known better, but in a company with management that allows (encourages?) this to happen, we’re not always made fully aware of our rights.
Speechless 😮
Stop trying to sell the public on the need for change. you deliver parcels now. you can deliver 7 days a week now. You have mismanaged the Crown Corporation while taking your over bloated salaries.
60-70% of the corp is on labour cost. Time to get rid of employees and reduce that amount. Start with the ones in the unions (slackers) and go up.
How about start with the six figure salaries and five figure bonuses for over 300 VPs, Directors and Superintendents? That’d cut down percentage waaay faster.
Do the math. It would cost more to give a 2% increase to CUPW that it costs the executives and their bonuses.
You mean the ones CPC HIRED
You mean the one the union is protecting because no one from CUPW, PSAC, etc… can be fired
How about reducing overtime costs by creating enough positions to do the work? Or not implementing systems that look great on paper in Ottawa but fail on the ground miserably? (Don’t get me wrong, I’m grateful for the weeks of overtime I got as an on-call for that – which means full-timers and part-timers were getting even more – but it wasn’t my job to manage labour costs.)
You can pass off bonuses to upper management in a corporation reporting massive losses as a drop in the overall bucket, but the bottom line is that none of them would be getting that in the private sector.
At the end of the day, it’s a labour-intensive industry and the percentages you mention are not out of line. Things like “cost of goods sold” are a very minor part of our retail operations. And yes, labour costs could be managed better, and whose job is that? Permanent employees don’t create the schedules they bid on, and I don’t manage the work offers I accept.
When you say Canada Post can already deliver parcels 7 days a week, are you suggesting on the weekends with overtime on a regular basis. If you are… how does that make any logical business sense and what company would want to commit to that on a unsustainable basis going forward.
It doesn’t, but that’s what CPC has chosen by not creating regular full and part-time positons for weekend delivery in accordance with existing clauses in the collective agreement.