CUPW negotiations: CUPW’s latest offer takes major steps backwards
December 9, 2024, 06:47 pm 697 comments
Canada Post has received the latest offers from the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) and is extremely disappointed that their intent appears to be to widen the gap in negotiations, rather than close it.
We are conducting a full review of the offers for the Urban and RSMC (Rural and Suburban Mail Carriers) bargaining units and will share more information as soon as possible. However, we don’t want to provide false hope to impacted employees, small businesses, charities and northern communities that were hoping for a speedy resolution. In the last few weeks, Canada Post has made several important moves to close the gap and reach negotiated agreements, but the union has reverted to their previous positions or increased their demands.
Our core business is delivery. While postal services around the world are working constructively to evolve their delivery approach to respond to changing customer needs, CUPW’s demands reinforce the status quo and add significant and unsustainable long-term fixed costs. One example is continuing to demand that our facility cleaning staff and other contracted support services become permanent Canada Post employees.
Our deteriorating financial situation
Canada Post is at a critical juncture in its history. With financial pressures mounting and now accelerating with CUPW’s ongoing strike, our long-standing role as a vital, publicly owned national infrastructure for Canadians and Canadian businesses is under significant threat.
Canada Post will record another significant loss in 2024, the seventh consecutive annual loss for the Corporation. Since 2018, the company has lost more than $3 billion.
A fair approach focused on our future
Our approach throughout negotiations has been fair, balanced and straightforward, bringing much-needed flexibility to our delivery model to improve service for Canadians and grow our parcel business, while protecting and valuing all our employees who provide that service.
While the specifics of what we’ve offered remain in the confidential process, our focus has remained on the following:
Focused on the needs of our customers:
- Changes to our mail-based delivery model that would allow for affordable and reliable weekend delivery and other improvements.
- Maintaining our largely full-time delivery workforce while creating weekend part-time positions – providing benefits, guaranteed hours and opportunities for temporary employees.
Focused on providing good jobs for our people, building on what they already have:
- Wage increases above our previous offers.
- Providing good pensions for retirement.
- Maintaining up to seven weeks of vacation and 13 personal days.
- Maintaining stringent job security provisions.
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Deliver lettermail every 3 days like flyers and go CMB!!!!
Financial issues solved.
Ah, but CUPW is opposed to losing headcount. Hard to cut costs without cutting personnel when pay, pensions and benefits make up 79% of operating expenses.
Think about it, everyone. The strike was planned to hurt the company during its busiest time, and yes, in that sense, it succeeded. But what was actually achieved? The business is what pays our wages, regardless of what CP does with the money in overspending. You were hired as an employee to work for CP, not engage in what they do with their funds. Thats not your business.
Has there been any meaningful resolution over the past month? We all lost wages, and yet neither side has accomplished anything.
Now, the strategy seems to have backfired because they thought CP would fold under pressure, but they didn’t. The reality is, it’s not easy to find a good job these days. I
appreciate what I do and respect my job, and I know some of you may feel differently or believe you’re entitled to more. That’s fine, you’re entitled to your own opinion. But for me, it’s important to think about the bigger picture and the future if you plan to be working long-term.
What’s the endgame here? It’s an egotist approach if you ask me. I’m not anti-union and I can see what’s fair and what’s reasonable. Whats happening is unreasonable and unfair to most who actually want to work. For the people who want to keep fighting; there is an option. Find another job that will pay more. I can guarantee you that after this contract is ever negotiated, and if unsuccessful; which it will be, the complainers will still be employed with Canada Post.
The CUPW negotiators and executives are not helping us in any way. Who chose this negotiator? the executives? who chose the president? the executies? who forged our votes to 95 percent without doing a count? the executives? who is to blame? the executives? Who needs out? the executives? enough said : )
Expect to be out until beginning of February at best as the government shuts down for Christmas till January 27. This will go down as Trudeau’s final nail in his political coffin.
Fishy The Mediator is probably getting paid for not even showing up at work, as CPC and CUPW t are sending paperwork through them. Why doesn’t the mediator resign?
Seems everyone is at the CPC instant Teller Machine.
Really feel sorry for the CPUW ,CPC negotiators, board of directors ,presidents and their families. They are still being paid with benefits and the inmates,I mean workers continue to struggle financially ,healthwise and mentally.
Wrong. CUPW not beong paid.
What! I was told by the director of CPC all CPC and CUPW managers ,negotiators, and presidents were being paid. Are you saying the CPC director is a lier? What a surprise. Lol
Wrong, they all are. You must be a National exec, lying like usual..
Read much? We are the inmates/ workers.
National execs are being paid.
That was your choice when you voted yes.
Everyone thought they would be arbitrated back to work and then they could complain about it but it did not happenn
Deliver ALL POC 7 days a week.
But only deliver LM for calls every 3 days, following Urban NM colour day.
Number of routes can be cut in half.
Surplus folks are moved to work 2 day a week on weekends, and 3 days during weekday as flex/rlc.
Zero additional labour cost required.
Zero part time weekend employees required.
Canada gets 7 day parcel delivery.
Bring back CMB to eliminate any mail volume weight concerns, make the parcel/packet delivery more efficient, and eliminate all safety issues and inefficiencies with door to door delivery.
Merge RSMC into Urban.
For all remote communities where delivery doesnt make fiscal sense – get rid of delivery by expanding PO Boxes.
Sounds like CUPW wants CMBs to be put in.
All this talk about how dangerous the job is going door to door.
Finally they have woken up and realized that CMB will improve safety.
I’m all for unions , but CUPW hasn’t adapted to world changes, CUPW still keeps on operating the same way since before the collapse of the Soviet Union
Hump day in week four. Only a few days left for parliament and then it will reconvene on Jan 27, 2025.
Time is running out quickly.
Hopefully the government wakes up from their deep sleep and send us all back to work… are they ok with 50.000 workers and tons of businesses to keep on losing millions just because of things like cleaners, future employees and definition of weekend part time?? I certainly hope not!
Yeah actually, the main thing is Canadians don’t really care that much. Yes the increase in shipping costs suck but CP is just one of many ways to get packages and the majority of Canadians got theirs from another service( sucks for those expecting drugs or documents). It really speaks to how little CP matters in 2024 outside of rural areas.
If the government was concerned about CUPW then you would have been back to work already.
This is needed to fix the corporation unfortunately.
Back bones of contracts put together 20yrs ago when we had lots of product are no longer sustainable.
7 percent year 1..3 percent years 2,3,and 4…stop with the stupidity about cleaners and snow removal…the part time jobs are jobs none the less..abd they will be paying union dues..
Our snow removal guy never shows up. Why on earth would we support him in our negotiations? CUPW needs to drop that BS.
We will no longer be allowed to comment on anything CPC and CUPW do or say effective immediately according to the monatator.Thank goodness. Now we can go and get a life.
You are funny… CUPW does not even allow anything…
CUPW would never allow us the freedom to speak on a forum, they would constantly be told where to go. They know majority of members are against there behavior and secret demands instead of negotiating for us and not their pockets books.
This whole strike has been nothing but a hoax. CPC and CUPW are actually working together to build a bigger and better Canada Post. Really.
I’ve no doubt they are working together, but it’s not to build a better post office.
I kind of agree with this – I feel like they’re colluding, in indifference & incompetence, to put a freeze on wages, for now (remember the “Canada Post will be out of cash by November headlines?”) and to generally ‘restructure’ how much we’re needed or not in the minds of the public. “Oh – we went Black Friday & XMas without them – we’re over them, we don’t need them anymore.” There’s still a postal charter, guaranteeing delivery 5 days a week, but I believe it’s overdue for review, and they probably could just lay 50% off – let stuff sit, while the remaining carriers rotate thru the routes, and while Purolator becomes the parcel muscle.
Friday marks the end of week 4. I really think by the looks of things we won’t be going back until after Christmas. Even if we do, Christmas has been screwed for everyone. Not just for employees, but consumers and C.P. This is just madness. I think I can speak for many when I say this is so stressful. We will never recover from this. First I want to thank CP and CUPW for screwing with so many lives, thank you and I want to remind everyone that didn’t bother to vote for the strike mandate, thank you to all of you as well. I heard so many say how much they were against a strike and yet didn’t bother to vote. Well this is what you get. Don’t complain and cry about it, you brought this on yourselves. Hope you learned a lesson for next time, if there is a next time.
I just got my cheque for picketing and it didn’t bounce. Now I can buy that loaf of bread I wanted from the clearance shelf. Oh boy!
Wait 14th of Dec.. Worth the wait 2 loafs instead of 1
Love it. Lol..lol…lol
So funny and original!
Just listening to both CPC and CUPW on various medias and they actually put sentences together . Wow ,who knew with all the name calling mud slinging ,pablam pushing,these really smart people would have time to do suchness. Now maybe they could agree on a contract before the end of time. Am I being too optimistic?
Yes. Stop being so optimistic.
Groups 3 and 4 need to get a new union!!! Just got thrown under the bus again!!! What a joke of a union this is.
https://angusreid.org/canada-post-strike-cupw/
Take a look at this poll giving insight into how Canadians view the strike. You tell me who they support in negotiations.
We will all be replaced by the gig workers CUPW has brought in, they will become Canada Post employees because they’re under CUPW and we’ll all be replaced, the union you support is replacing us all, congratulations CUPW for your illegal practices of negotiations, for more information where to look for a job, contact CUPW because they’re aiming to bring them into post office for minimum wage.. Just like the Justice Janitors union, all included in our contract..
https://gigworkersunited.ca/
Groupes 3 et 4
Le Syndicat a convenu de permettre aux employées et employés des classes d’emplois MAM 10 et 11 de bénéficier, de manière volontaire, d’une mutation à la classe ELE-3, tout en conservant leur échelle salariale actuelle.
On va avoir un salaire geler pour combien de temps 10 ans
Cannot be fired after 5 years at Canada Post. This is the root of the problem. Remove that and you get how much wage you want. After 2-3 years of performance review and your fired if low performance.. this solves everyone issue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4qyibOAI-4&ab_channel=CTVNews
Wrong
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Exactly!
Wrong
How about that executive extended health plan 51390?
Or are improved extended benefits not on the CUPW NEB list of demands?
P04s can mop a floor and clean a toilet? No?
Carriers can use a shovel to remove snow from CMB site? No? Maybe give them a snow clearance bonus for each site cleared. Lock changes too.
Seems like easy things to add to the job description. No idea why they are so excited to take on this work??
I voted against strike action.
This strike is going to end CP and all its union employees.
The Canadian public is angry this is happening during the holidays. Passports, gifts, cheques, businesses, Christmas cards.
Nobody was forewarned about the strike.
The CUPW planned to take advantage of CP for more leverage to get CP to meet their demands because of the holiday and travel season.
You can’t be for real. It always happens around holidays, the public is always angry, and we’re still here and haven’t gone away yet. It’s the same old story. We were continually forewarned about this situation, not how old you are or if you even work here. Do you expect CUPW to not take advantage of their leverage? Not that that stategy has ever worked out for us. But anybody that doesn’t take advantage of their leverages when needed would be foolish. Not that CUPW, AND MANAGEMENT, aren’t foolish in so many other ways.
Here is the deal 🤝
4days/week who do one weekend day parcel delivery. (4days 40hours/week)
Sounds good?
No, stop the nonsense your spewing
No, where you going with your ridiculous suggestions..? Just allow the corporation to do what they want with parcels, not give them conditions, you can’t control the job and the corporation needs to implement 7 days now.
Think about it, everyone. The strike was planned to hurt the company during its busiest time, and yes, in that sense, it succeeded. But what was actually achieved? The business is what pays our wages, regardless of what CP does with the money in overspending. You were hired as an employee to work for CP, not engage in what they do with their funds. Thats not your business.
Has there been any meaningful resolution over the past month? We all lost wages, and yet neither side has accomplished anything.
Now, the strategy seems to have backfired because they thought CP would fold under pressure, but they didn’t. The reality is, it’s not easy to find a good job these days. I appreciate what I do and respect my job, and I know some of you may feel differently or believe you’re entitled to more. That’s fine, you’re entitled to your own opinion. But for me, it’s important to think about the bigger picture and the future if you plan to be working long-term.
What’s the endgame here? It’s an egotist approach if you ask me. I’m not anti-union and I can see what’s fair and what’s reasonable. Whats happening is unreasonable and unfair to most who actually want to work. For the people who want to keep fighting; there is an option. Find another job that will pay more. I can guarantee you that after this contract is ever negotiated, and if unsuccessful; which it will be, the complainers will still be employed with Canada Post.
The CUPW negotiators and executives are not helping us in any way. Who chose this negotiator? the executives? who chose the president? the executies? who forged our votes to 95 percent without doing a count? the executives? who is to blame? the executives? Who needs out? the executives? enough said : )
Well spoken.
yes
CUPW wants to run CPC but doesnot have money tp pay fr bus trip to Ottawa !
where is out money crooks
If CUPW did a postal banking, it would be a disaster. No more money in treasure as they use client’s money for other stuff.
Same negotiators year after year with no skills or education to negotiate. They need lawyers to negotiate, not this clown show who spends more time at the bar than working. This is so easy to fix if the union would stop trying to force the corporation to bring on their own cleaners and contractors and make them Canada Post employees. The union trying to control the corporation and put more money in their pockets instead of representing the membership. If they did their job without those demands we’d be back to work. CUPW praying for us to be legislated back as they run out of money, no surprise when the executives make huge salaries and also give themselves bonuses for every failed negotiation.
Agree, well said.
CUPW has overplayed its hand – Canada Post will use this to restructure and lay off employees.
For the better
100 percent.
So you think cupw should ignore inflation and go back to work for less than everyone else in this industry except the gigs. There is no other way to play it with cpc. We had to strike or we would work without a contract for years. Management has gone over the line with what is acceptable and they know it now. Stand strong.
Yes. Help to the govt could have always been asked before going on strike.
No. They will starve us out till Jan 6th. Hope some Jr members quit and get ready for the big CMB conversion in less than 5 yrs where members won’t have job security.
Simple math and strategy from CPC.
Where CUPW new plan is Justice for Janitors.
Jan 6th if lucky. Cmb much sooner than that.
So the layoffs will happen, in your mind, and then the company will simply not process or deliver mail and parcels anymore? You do realize the company is only able to operate with milliosn of casual hours, right? Laying off isn’t an option for numerous reasons. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
That’s what I said 4 weeks ago new post office in six months gonna be bad but what do I know…every day we are out people find a new way to survive
Yes, Jobs lost, and the ridiculous amount of people who think the union actually supports our negotiations, while they have another agenda..
as long as they will pay severance pay plus pension contributions IM IN!
You won’t be getting any severance pay, get your job application ready for reality.
I agree
I personally think that we will see a 20-25% layoff in full and part time staff
Retiring workers positions will not be filled
Only thing is I am not sure how the layoffs will happen as each city has different seniority situations
I think folks with less than 7 years are in trouble, although , its the higher seniority workers that have the highest wage. most holidays, etc that CPC wants to get rid off first
As crazy as it sounds, buying out high seniority workers is the cheapest solution- more expensive in a short term basis, but huge savings long term
Thoughts?
Buy me out will full pension
If I may think outside the box. As a Goodwill gesture CUPW can stop the strike and start delivering mail again while progress is being made in the negotiations before Christmas. This will put the onus on CPC to show its Goodwill or Lock CUPW out.
The Goodwill gesture will be appreciated by the public and CUPW members as will CPC.
Right now the CUPW members have low morale and distrust with the negotiating teams as do the public!
Showing Goodwill while still making progress in negotiations will be a benefit for both sides in this dispute!
That is not how the world works. We are out on strike until a fair deal is negotiated. Period. It doesn’t matter how long it takes.
Why can’t that happen? Please provide legal proof this can not happen. Are you willing to lend everyone rent, food and bill money? Oh wait you must be part of the Union that is stuck in the 70’s and 80’s and believe that they are not out for themselves.
Fair?!! Fair??! His the f is an anything fair. Both sides are dragging their feet and mud slinging all the while we’ve lost 8% of our yearly earning. Never ever make that up now even with a 19% raise we are still losing. It’ll take 4/5 yrs now to even break even. All this just to save a few FT positions on weekend delivery and bring a cleaner into the bargaining unit to pad the pockets of the union executive. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻
Go out into to real world and see what’s out there we have it good here —more than fair.. what in gods name do you people want?!! Greed!! Absolutely greedy people
Lets go until June next year and will see if you say same thing.
Christmas is the only thing keeping them in the hot seat right now and you think we should go back without any guarantees. Wow. You must be a new hiree or a manager. This company does not care about our Christmas. Sorry. It hurts to say it too.
Christmas is just 15 days away. Once we past that point the public will not care if we are still on strike. Better to show some Goodwill now before it’s too late. Government can impose a binding arbitration on us and you may not like what we get. Think about it.
Sorry, but Christmas is lost. No hot seat for Canada Post.
Word around town is that it will be the New Year before this is even close to settled. CUPW you blew it! Again!
Two groups. Newbies that know nothing. Oldies that are in a cult but do not know that they are. This is 95% of the workforce at CP sadly.
The government won’t intervene because they want the gig economy they promised corporate Canada they could have. That’s why it’s. this is our deal take it or leave it, from CPC.
You realize Cupw just started a new union called Gigafyunited
People can’t see the truth because they’re blinded by CUPW lies.. Let’s them all go to Ottawa and look like fools, when we get ordered back and there’s job cuts hope they have other experience because most of the workers are useless and always milking the benefits. Time to cut the lazy and let the workers work.. Gig workers are planning B employees the union wants working, and they’ll be minimum wage paid for same jobs. Remove and Replace and the union is behind it all.
Just remember those gig companies are also into other kind of businesses other than delivery.
This exactly what capitalists like the Cons want.
If they get in, there will be less full time, more gig work.
The union will be powerless and Canada Post will no longer be a Crown corporation.
It will be almost all privatized by financial backers that fund the Cons political campaigns.
Nobody seems to notice that our 55,000 workers pay taxes too. So out of the $60,000 we get paid, everyone gives the government about $15,000 of that right off the top. Everytime we open our wallets after that another 13% falls back into the government coffers. Not to mention the carbon tax we all pay to get to work and heat our homes. That said, peter is paying paul for the most part. The government gets a huge chunk of our wages back. Do the math on the raises now fellas.
Why do the Cupw cult members not understand this. This is NOT negotiating. This not about you or your wages. This IS about Cupw generating more union dues by bringing in new workers. This was never about you. You are leverage, a bargaining chip, that is it. Cupw will make concessions (you are the concession) in order to obtain what they want.
I suppose you deserve it if you cannot see it. Good luck to you.
How much of this 3 billion loss is from paying settlements to the rsmcs ? They had to make alot of restitution to that department after cheating them for decades.
They gave up our severance to bring rsmc in too. I suppose now when members get laid off do not expect any severance as cupw gave that away. Chin up comrades.
What they listed is their demands is what 55,000 members want. You clearly are not a proud member that understands unions.
Plus a lot of things 55,000 members do not want. Such as bringing janitors into our union. That insane demand is wrecking the chances of an agreement. So, 90+% of our membership does not support that. Please drop it CUPW and wr can get a deal done!
Are there any proud members? I am not!
I am embarrassed to be a cupw member. Somehow I do not think I am alone.
No this is not what 55k members want. Are you telling me 55k members do not want to abolish the two tier wage scale? because this is NOT a demand. I find it funny that it is not. Get real.
Enlighten us and explain “unions”
How many contracts did your union negotiate?
You probably believe 95% of those 55,000 also voted yes on the strike vote.
Good point. CUPW is only interested in bulking up in membership. That is why they demand the company to hire the subcontracted cleaning people into Canada Post’s full time employees.
Check the latest out.
https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/video/c3044905-power-play–cupw-on-latest-negotiations?playlistId=1.7117312
You guys decide and tell me your views. I feel it’s egotistic more than anything. Like I always said, negotiators are still living in the 70’s as he even refers to events that happened in the early 80’s. Caught up in his old ways and not looking out for the best interest of the workers.
Um, but workers want fair wages and to keep everything they already have. This is exactly what our union is fighting for. Should we be happy with losing what we have and not having a competitive wage compared to UPS and FEDEX?
He brought that up to prove a point. Forsaking monetary compensation in order to gain an additional week of holidays. That did indeed happen in 81. In the here and now present cpc would try to throw that back in the unions face in defense of another of their present day draconian rollbacks
Brother Gary,
I agree. The union needs to focus on getting us back to work and not focus solely side projects such as postal banking, seniors check-ins, including cleaners and snow clearance contractors.
Our reputation has been destroyed due to public backlash in the media. Too many people are blaming us postal workers for the failure of the postal system and view us as lazy and greedy for wanting better wages, reasonable benefits, and safer working conditions.
I wish both sides would draw up a tentative agreement in place to get us back to work for a few months until the federal election. Then, negotiate a more permanent agreement in which both sides will compromise and can work with.
Other than that, this holiday season has been a train wreck bigger than the Lac-Mégantic rail disaster since its destruction has affected all Canadians.
Hopefully, the union will learn to be more responsible on when they decide to hold a strike.
We have 2 janitors per shift in our plant. Why does it seem like a ridiculous demand to unionize them. Cpc has hired at least 10 supervisors in the last 2 years to replace nobody. We have a herd of them standing around doing nothing. Once in a while they might catch somebody with an unzipped vest. Meanwhile they are standing in running shoes in a safety shoe area to tell you.
Lol unzipped vest! I’ve seen it
What is the benefit for us currently working to bring janitors into the union? Should we not be more focused on wage increase, better benefits etc.. Why allow cleaning staff to be a wedge issue.
How is the koolaid today?
One thing has nothing to do with the other so your point is not relevant. Cleaners eork for many different private companies all across Canada. The companies have contracts with Canada Post. The cleaners are not employees of Canada Post. It is an incredible waste of time and effort to try to bring them into CUPW. It distracts from getting an agreement for the 55,000 workers who ate outside and already part of the union. If CUPW wants to do this, why can’t they wait until the actual members have a contract and are back at work?
Why would hiring outside workers ever be a demand. What business is the cleaning staff to cupw, they don’t represent them!
They do represent some
There’s a cleaner in every station across the entire country, and numerous in the plants (there are more than two in the plant I work out of). Who manages the cleaning staff? Is there a relief cleaner when one takes time off?
Same applies to contractors; who oversees snow removal for all facilities across the country? What happens when a plow driver takes time off? Add in the additional cost of purchasing snow plows, etc.
These demands are absurd and should have nothing to do with negotiations, and the Union has lacked transparency on this (nothing posted by CUPW in their most recent updates). Negotiate a fair contract for the 55000 members currently paying dues.
How clean is your facility?
I think that the arbitrator made them retroactively pay back till 2016 for the rsmcs. The union wanted it to go to 2004. A quarter of a billion I believe. Is that a loss? They pretty much gigged that department since the beginning of everything.
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/962-the-deb-hutton-show-97021550/episode/is-it-time-for-government-to-247029942/
Anything for the PO4s in the new CUPW offer. or we are getting sacrificed for somebody else.
We always get sacrificed.
PO4 and group 1s always get thrown under the bus.
So many people think we are lazy and expendable. Apparently, we can be replaced with more automation by machines that people think are infallible. However, people create these machines which can malfunction due to overuse, lack of maintenance and improper handling of them. These machines would be useless if there were no people to know how program, operate and repair them. Still, people would still be required to know how to handle and sort mail/ parcels if the machines were down.
People can’t simply replaced with automation.
The very reason once upon inside workers had their own union as did letter carriers, things were much better then. When you combine all of it people get left out in the cold.
Clerks can be replaced, and it’s happening. Sadly, the entire clerk function in a plant can be done without a single CUPW member. There’s a high cost for implementation, but massive savings long-term from salaries, IODs, absenteeism, benefits, pension contributions, etc; Engineers and maintenance workers keep the machines operational.
Amazon has a facility in the UK that has zero employees on the floor, only engineers in the building overseeing the robotics when there is a malfunction.
Scary future for our kids.
CUPW negotiates as well as Clark Griswold at a crap table.
CUPW had one card and that was the Christmas rush.
The corporation called their bluff and CUPW is now lost as to a next move.
CUPW was hoping to be legislated back and blaming their incompetence on the government.
Meanwhile we are just the CUPW pawns and collateral damage.
Well why not? Canada Post does the same thing, relying on the government instead of seriously negotiating. Both sides wasted an entire year doing almost nothing. The union does need to drop their demand that cleaners join CUPW however. Then I really think a deal could happen. Could we call it a Christmas miracle Lol?
Why plan when you can react.
Justice for Janitors.
What are you talking about? CUPW will get a good offer out of this if they hold on long enough.
That’s how strike action works. Canada Post has already made a decent amount of concessions, and they union has given up cost saving measures for CPC and movement on weekend delivery.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/as-canada-post-strike-drags-on-frustration-mounts-over-prohibitive-courier-costs-1.4273733
Competition can’t deliver! 1 week “express” from Fedex!
LOL! Let them believe other couriers will take Canada Post over! Not a good start!
Willing to stay out as long as
It takes. Stay united workers.
Right on. Me too. We fight now or regret it later.
Something tells me this comment won’t age well.
Here here!
You guys are pawns. I get you want to fight, but Cupw is using us. They are leveraging us and throwing us under the bus to bring in more external workers to increase their revenue.
How about some support instead of belly aching without any helpful suggestions
They have posted many of their demands for all to see. We ratified a list of demands across the country. Please stop spreading falsehoods. CUPW is negotiating fairly on our behalf. Support and fight!
Yes they posted many of their demands but not all. Did you see cleaning stuff on said list of demands? I did not. Ask yourself, why was this omitted? What else was omitted?
Define support and define fight. What are you doing other than singing songs and walking around with a stupid sign.
They aren’t going to die on the hill for cleaners in CUPW, do you even reflect on what you’re saying?
Yeah they have 50 demands but they will be willing to move and conceded on probably 45 of those. That’s how negotiations work.
You think if the Canada Post met 49/50 demands, CUPW would be striking for cleaners?!?!? There’s no way you actually believe that.
I fully agree with my brothers and sisters to keep fighting the good fight. All I would add is im really thinking cpc has no intention to deal or negotiate, straight up or mediator or otherwise. I really think they just want to burn all to the ground to start over. If that as I suspect is truly the case I would expect the govt to step in, not to further their cause but to defend Canada post mandate and the people we serve. I don’t know why the hive of intelligence executive management is allowed to continue running things as if trying to be for profit when they should all be fired and arrested for fraud and embezzlement
Let’s see if this comment comes to life. I like many of you live from overtaxed paycheck to overtaxed paycheck. However ,my financial struggles will continue into 2025 ,but I will NOT CPC AND CUPW destroy my spirit and zest for the season and excited about 2025. From Burbaby BC to Labrador NL celebrate the season,celebrate the New Year celebrate LIFE!!! CHEERS!
Great comment brother!
Well said!
Union begging the government to order us back, proving time and time again there the worst negotiating union ever. Congratulations to all the other unions all year getting deals while we sit out picketing for CUPW janitors.. We’re the laughing stock and most corrupt union ever, thanks for the loss in pay because of trying to be sneaky during our negotiations. The membership will not forget how you let everyone down and your crooked ways, shame on you all who supported them while others suffered and struggle. If you had any type of respect to the members, show us all the offers, and your demands including the slimy Justice Janitors union clause you put in our contract.. So pathetic and shameful. Thanks again CUPW for failing the members, Canadians, small businesses as well as not delivering Christmas, Bah Humbug and a piece of coal for you all.
Union has not mentioned government once. For the record I’m wiling to bet Im probably suffering more than you during this struggle. Difference is i wont give Canada post the satisfaction of bashing our union in front of them. They are the only thingbbetween us and them. If as bad as is now could you imagine without a union? I have to and will support them right up to a changing of the guard if and when that were to happen
I meant not mentioning Government legislation back to work
Well said! Corrupt union indeed. CUPW works for itself not for its 55l members that are going without proper pay and benefits for almost a month.
Cheer up buttercup
Cupw bulletin: Far from trying to “widen the gap in negotiations,” the Union’s intention is to help the parties come to negotiated agreements.
Is the union on drugs? the union’s intention is the help the parties come to negotiated agreements. But the “union” is one of the “parties” they are referring to…
I just read on the union site that the union wants a minimum “base” of reliefs 22% of the full time positions. Basically 1 relief for every 4 carriers and that’s suppose to be a cost savings to CPC? How? They’ll all be sitting around playing cribbage.
Take potential overtime from route owners and give it to part timers as extended, we do that now. Again, how’s that a cost savings for CPC?
Canada Post is the one that wants PT weekend workers. Union has agreed to a variant of this.
They need all the additional relief positions to cover the increase in paid days off.
That’s for the new dynamic routes
CUPW is grasping at straws trying to act like they’re reasonable. But still demanding that janitors become part of the union. That is crazy, and it’s also preventing an agreement. CUPW must drop this demand and get a deal done now!
I am loving the new campaign.
JUSTICE FOR JANITORS !
Omg, that’s priceless.. And No way.. but so funny..😂
Cleaners are people too.
They are people and are already unionized, they don’t need yours or CUPW’s politics or union dues.. How about focus on us the membership Pinocchio, we come first, our jobs not external workers
Genuinely curious if anyone knows if these various cleaning workers even want join CUPW? They all work for different companies depending where they are based, so have different pay and benefits, likely. But do they even want this? Do they want to pay union dues? Do they want the risk of a strike every few years? Where did this request come from. Genuinely curious, please be kind!
Union wants the Justice Janitors union in so they can become Canada Post employees and charge them monthly union dues, that will put more money in their pockets, instead on focusing us the membership. The union is looking to profit while we lose pay, we’re the sacrifice so don’t think they’re doing anything for us all..
The union makes a media appearance every few days asking for the government to step in so we can go back to work. I think they are at a loss of what to do.
If you mean asking for the government to tell the company to negotiate fairly…yes. if you mean, asking for back to work orders, that would be a complete lie.
This is the same union that called a strike on a Friday then took the weekend off. Am I missing something?
Yes. We are in rhia kneee deep now. Justice for Janitors
The union wants the government to order us back, because they’ve lost the negotiations and people are pissed off, and they’re going broke paying strike pay. Same story contract after contract. Then will pull the corporation doesn’t not want to negotiate fairly BS, while they got caught trying to add stipulations like teg Justice Janitors union into our negotiations.. Shame on CUPW, your days are numbered, and no one will forget the hardships, the losses, pissing off Canadians and being unable to pay strike on time. They’re a joke.
CPC management lie so often they don’t know the difference between truth and fairytales anymore.
Neither does CUPW
It’s OK if you don’t understand what’s going on. The union is asking the government to push canada post to negotiate, not to be legislated back. There’s a difference there if you can think really hard, you might get it.
The union would love for gov’t intervention because they get to tell the members well we tried but that pesky gov’t did it again doh
Not once have any of us heard the union asking the govt to step in. Stop with the sensationalism story time
https://www.ctvnews.ca/power-play
“After 5 years they cannot fire anyone “.. Darn. Not wonder bad apples can always mess up without ever being let go! Yet again something else that screws up our job!
That’s because management is too lazy or incompetent to fire the bad apples properly.
We have already lost 7.85% of our yearly pay,(2/26 pay periods) so even if we get a 9% raise in year 1, it equates to a 1.15% raise in real money- not including the overtime we lost !
If we lose another pay period in 2025, then the 3.5% raise is gone
We will not see a true raise until years 3 and 4, which is 3% and 3%
In reality we have have held out for a 10 % raise over 4 years, which is less than the 12% we were offered in the second global offer
There needs to be a deal, there is no economic reason for both parties to continue these games. The union has made a lot of concessions at this point.
Canada post has not. I can’t fathom the incompetence at work here. To go on national TV and keep lying like this press release over and over while losing so much money, is just bizarre.
If you give in and take less, you will continue to lose for the rest of your time at Canada Post. The losses compound every year into all future contracts. The reciprocal is true of any gains we make. They compound on any raises we get in future contracts. Don’t think about just now or just this contract!
This topic keeps getting brought up. You hold out for the long-term benefits of a fair and decent wage increase. If successful that higher wage increase continues to compound over time with your future earnings. Yes we are all losing pay now, but if we don’t use this moment to bring wages up to where they should be(post greatest inflation in decades) then when?
Here here
Everyones situation is different
Some folks have put some funds aside to offset this no pay disruption, some dont have that luxury
Some families are 2 income Canada Post employees
Monthly bills keep coming in, thats the reality of the here and now
The timing of this could not be worse as inflation has cooled, interest rates are falling, and the public are pissed ( rightly so!)
Our biggest issue is the post covid contract that was signed was the contract that screwed us the most- we want our financial pound of flesh 3 years too late
People have short memories- they dont remember that we worked our butts off during the pandemic, keeping the country moving and the economy growing
Here and now is what they see- a group of greedy unionized workers that are holding a country hostage during the busiest time of the year, while claiming massive yearly losses that are blamed on a ballooning labor cost
As employees, we know different, as we know how management has spent money on ridiculous things- huge investments in plants, vehicles, etc while handing out bonuses and hiring mass amounts of supervisory staff
It is great that we are fighting for the future, but in the here and now we are suffering-thats what I will take from this
I personally think that mass layoffs are coming- to the tune of 20% of full and time staff, filling positions of retiring workers with term/ casual employees- all in the name of reducing labor costs
The days of training someone with the intention of having them stay for 20 plus years is over- CPC wants a revolving door of reduced rate/ no benefit/no holiday to replace full time employees that they have to pay
The future is going to be a different painting- the past is history, the future a mystery- live in the moment, and in the moment, we are suffering
One of 2 things is going to happen, as both parties are still so far apart. The government will legislate us back to work at the end of the day on December 17th (the last day they are in session). Or, they will legislate us back to work after January 27th (the first day parliament resumes in the new year), as tax season will be starting and they will need our money.
Well of course Dec 17th would be much better for us. There is another possibility, the two sides could reach an agreement. I’ll by a lotto ticket because there may be more chance of winning that Lol.
After legislative back to work Jan27 ,first full pay will be Feb 13 or 27. Unless forced back by Dec 15. Ahh yaa. Good luck with that. But we will set the record for longest strike in Canada Post history. So obviously the strike was worth. Right?!
27th january and cupw will accept any offer as they will be desperate….
If you say soup
You are dreaming….
Government can reconvene an emergency session at any time. So there’s no Dec 17th deadline.
If there is no ’emergency’ by December 17th, there will be no reason to reconvene during their 6 week holiday. They told both sides to get their stuff together and come to a mutual agreement. With the way these negotiations seem to be going, it sure looks like it will be after January 27th before anything happens. At that point, how many of us will be left to pay union dues?
The corporation is clueless on what to do.
They’re entire gameplan is the government ordering us back to work.
They don’t know how to negotiate.
Every day, they’re losing tens of millions of dollars.
Every day, it becomes more clear on how they are absolutely clueless about running a crown corporation.
Every day, they disrespect every single person in this country by mismanaging a vital public service.
It’s time for everyone in the c-suite and on the negotiating team to lose their jobs.
They’ve failed in every way.
I don’t know why everyone thinks the government was going to be the answer. The company doesn’t want that, they need to make changes
This is exactly right. For some reason workers have been led to believe that the audited financials are false. Any comments I have about why are not constructive. The ‘corporations’ hands are tied unless the mandate changes. This isn’t about us vs. them, it’s about Canada Post literally existing as we know it (zero tax payer dollars). Unfortunately, and I am not a labour expert, it seems as though CUPW leadership disagrees with the facts.
The fact is Canada post mismanagement drove everything to where we are today. Thats on them NOT us. We obliged them 2 years ago. Now it’s our time but they conveniently spent everything (factual audit or not) buying and building all kinds of things they aren’t even using as well as voting themselves massive bonuses (again all facts) for not knowing what they’re doing (most important fact of all). At the end of all this we are now expected to bend over and be flexible to help them? They made it us vs them. Not this time. If it all goes down too bad. Intelligent people see the writing on the walls and are likely already seeking altrrnaye employment elsewhere
I’m proud of our fight!
Why? Have you enjoyed losing a month of wages for nothing?
Who says it’s for nothing? Its not over yet. Go re count all the elastics in the building making yourself more useful than when we are actually there.
Fight on!
I read the latest update from the union and they have agreed to have MAM 10 and 11 become ELE 3 keeping the same wages. ELE 3 makes about 8$/h less. This would mean that if you accepted this new position, you would not see a raise for 10 pus years until the wages in your new position catch up to what you’re already making. THEY HAVE AGREED TO THIS. What BS. This just shows how good the union is at negotiating.
It’s all lies, Union not negotiating for us, anything now to stop the members forcing them out. Playing games with the Janitors union, all the other nonsense they want for Canada Post employees, as long as they can get more people, they can get more dues, in turn make more money on our backs.. CUPW master manipulators unless you have a brain and see through the nonsense
Union has made large concessions and provided proof of this. Canada Post has not.
Agreeing to a sacrifice is not acceptable for anyone. Just because they posted it, it does not make it right. They always like to sacrifice group 3 and 4. There is so few of us, we are never heard by this union which we should not be part of. We should be part of a trade union and not a labor one.
So you can TRADE stories about how much you make compared to how much we work?
It shows you how desperate CUPW is to hold onto their “other” demands. Their “other” demands are so great that they are willing to throw members under the bus as you have outlined.
So what are these “other” demands, well it is the cleaners and other workers they are trying to extort into CUPW as this generates more revenue for the business that CUPW truly is.
We are just pawns to them.
That’s true. If they dropped the stupid idea of getting cleaners into CUPW, both sides could quickly reach an agreement. Unbelievable, but maybe not with this union.
No such position as ELE 3! Management is getting bored and making up nonsense. But they’re too incompetent to get proper position titles.
Look in the last contract. If you go to the charts with classification and rates of pay, ELE-3 does exist.
CUPW website says “group 3 and 4 can VOLUNTARILY transfer to ELE-3.” There are a few classifications that pay less than ELE-3 in group 3 & 4.
This is about more than wages. CUPW is trying to leverage more business, more income for themselves. We are the vehicle to try and extort this from CP. What don’t you guys get?
Go ask your dear leaders and dear union these questions see what answers you get….
Common sense to people who are brainwashed by CUPW lies is not common. The corporation wants operations running but CUPW has another agenda and won’t show anyone. Thank you CPC exposing CUPW for trying to bring in the Justice Janitors union, and snow removal contractors, as well as EV Chargers for my gas powered car..
APOC in for a surprise and CPC is not going to offer them the same as we get. And will eliminate the bonuses. See how many walk out and new job rules perform or be let go it’s going to be at risk of no job 2025 apoc and rotation of weekend shifts mandatory for apoc
Always had rotation of APOC members at my plant/depot on weekends…what’s your point?
No issues for anyone with 5 years in the company.
Remember, right now the contract does not exist. There is no 5 year rule in the real world. They can terminate anyone that they do not need, regardless of years of service. Right now you are on your own.
APOC will get what CUPW gets plus a little bit plus bonus which is written into their agreements unless that ends up being removed during talks.
Stay in your lane. Worry about being lied to by your own Union, and get those steps in on the picket line for when you get back to your paper route.
A drowning man will try to drag somebody down with him.
Am I the only one that thinks Canada Post Corp has something big planned?
Am I the only one that thinks the union is playing right into their hands?
I feel that CPC has been working on this for many years. I think they are going to privatize us, in all my years, over 30 I have never seen CPC even suggest a lockout.
Think about it! New plants equals asset.
New electric vehicle equals asset.
Shrinking the workforce and getting rid of the dead wood, and there is plenty is the next step.
Getting rid of the union would be an asset.
Our company needs to make these changes to survive. It is not about the employees, it is about the customer, which it should be. The customer may go through a bit of pain now but down the road, when parcel delivery is competitive the customer will be the winner.
I think CUPW might be a thing of the past, not because we decertify them but because CPC was sold and the union was not part of the sale.
I don’t believe they have that power. That would be a government decision. They cannot decide to privatize. But it definitely is a plan for the future. Last contract for me anyways
I have close to 40 years and like you, have never seen CPC suggest a lockout. I have never seen negotiations like this. I saw the violent ones way way back, but this current situation – this is a first. And it’s a disaster that continues to get closer each day to hitting rock bottom.
Justice for Janitors
That sir, is a joke.
I agree! I retired earlier this year and saw 1987/1991 violence but never saw anything like this…The gravy train is over folks
Sadly I think you are right. There is nothing on the news about our strike. People have moved on. I think Canada Post has already moved on. We let the customer down when they needed us most. They found alternatives, more alternatives will arise. We have had a great run but are now asking for more than a company on the verge of bankruptcy can afford. This is so sad for all of us.
When I worked as a CUPW worker back in the early 8’s to 2000’. We were locked out. For around9 days. We always went back to work. Cause after 10 days we were allowed strike pay. I’ve been on strike to have maternity leave as a right for female employees, pensions for part/timers, they implemented the rsmc’s and urban employees. But in all my life why would CUPW be involved in having a contract for cleaning staff. That are not pivotal to mail operations or delivery. UFCW should be raiding them. Also how can single parent workers support their families without what is going to be 2 pay checks. How will they pay rent? Will they be out in the streets living out of their cars???!!! Really show some real compassion for your workers. Anyone who has been on strike knows that it takes up until the end of the of the contract to gain back your loss in pay. Been there done that for over 30 years
CUPW created this mess trying to make CPC sign contract for outside workers that are affiliated with CUPW, Justice Janitors union, snow removal, BS Postal Banking that failed, SSD that’s here to stay, CUPW lost that in arbitration.. Stop the shenanigans and get us our wage increase, sustain our benefits and leave our pension alone.. Or show everyone the full demands so you will be exposed working against the membership and trying to line your pockets.. Enough is enough, CUPW show us everything, we have a right to know, stop stalling and CPC gets paid this and that BS.. You work for us, not them.
Can we not compromise 16% over 4 years, drop the cleaners (NEB stupid idea) and all the other silly crap the Union wants and the workers never knew about. Does anyone understand that CPC is negotiating 4 contracts right now, 2 CUPW, CPAA and APOC. I want to go back to work. I voted NO for this strike. Solidarity my butt, I haven’t seen 1 Union member from my local visit our site. Can we not vote on what CPC has offered and end this before we lose all our customers.
‘Solidarity my butt, I haven’t seen 1 Union member from my local visit our site.’
😂😂😂
I’m with you, no national committee members show up when we picket. They have to drop those other demands that line their pockets and get us a livable wage. They work for us and are playing everyone thinking it’s the Corporation..
That would be good. Many of CUPWs demands are quite reasonable. Some, like bringing cleaners into the union are outrageous. If CUPW would drop the crazy ideas we could easily get a deal done and get back to work!
We have 2 janitors per shift in our plant. Unionize them already. Big deal. Cpc hired at least 10 extra supervisors in our plant in the last 2 years to replace nobody.
5 PSAC is negotiating too
Forget 16 %. 19% is already too low but if it spurs negotiations let’s do it. As far as cpc negotiating 4 contracts they get no sympathy from me. They made their dogs breakfast mess now they can lie it.
All this talk about “show me the full offer” from both sides is pointless. The only people who get to see the full offers are the negotiating teams. All the posturing in the media is just that. Posturing. You are not going to see the full offers ever, only what they agree to when it’s done. Then you’ll get to ratify any tentative agreement.
CPC misunderstood what cupw said. They said quit taking us to the cleaners with your offers
So you want part time weekend workers. But then you need to hire full time supervisors to “watch “ over them. So any saving are gone with higher wage bosses with guaranteed bonuses. Makes sense spend more and lose more and blame cupw
You’re kidding right. Part time workers are a huge savings over full-timers on RDO double-time. Most of us understand why Canada Post needs to do this even though we enjoy our extra money from RDOs. The company has to compete in order to survive. CUPW also seems to have given i on this idea and is just asking for part-timers to be guaranteed 20 hours per week.
They are doing a stellar job competing to survive right now. Raking in millions from purolator and leaving us out to dry while crying/lying poor and telling tall tales to the public Execs counting their bonuse while laughing at you defending them
No savings when they have way too many supervisors that are constantly on OT on the weekends, watching over a skeleton crew too!
It was banking first, now it’s cleaners. What’s next
Seems like CUPW will do anything to prevent an agreement. They’re either naive and unrealistic or deliberately sabotaging negotiations. Either way, CUPW please wake up, get into the real world and get this deal done!
Show the proposals openly? What is being asked and what is being approved vs. rejected? Stop going into endless loops of accusing each other…
Exactly, I want to see the full proposals from both sides, union not showing nothing
I am still waiting for CPC to SHOW us their current offer, so that we can actually SEE what supposed big moves they made towards bringing a resolution. Until then, I’ll believe it when I see it.
CPC has not shown anything tangible since their second offer. They are all talk. CUPW has placed their cards on the table for all to see. CPC needs to be taken down!
Where’s the Unions demands with the Justice Janitors union they included..? There’s a lot of information CUPW isn’t telling you. Canada Post can’t show us the offer, it’s up to CUPW to show everything , and they’re showing us nothing..I wonder why..? Ask your union because they refuse to show us anything..
See they made 2 offers. I think it is enough. All volumes are gone right now why would they have any incentive to give you what you need even tho if they wanted to?? The war is over. CPC already won it. This moment is desperation time for CUPW
https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/our-company/news-and-media/corporate-news/news-release/2024-12-09-with-cupws-national-strike-now-in-its-fourth-week-the-unions-latest-offer-takes-major-steps-backwards
https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/doc/en/news-and-media/Backgrounder-CUPW-Urban_e.pdf
These links do not show Canada Post’s recent proposals. The first link also boasts about stuff we already have! Canada Post isn’t a hero for leaving our pension alone. It is well funded and they should have never threatened to change it in the first place!!!!
They wont- they show your union negotiators who decide for the worker bee’s like you. Just the way it is.
Agree
They were not to talk about the contract in public but again CUPW loud mouths didn’t listen
The union should be showing us the latest offer
That’s what the are being paid for
Why does CUPW kept barking a safe workplace? Go to the Saskatoon Plant and listen to the music blarring where employees work. Nice to be hypocrites. No any other workplace that lets fork drivers work in a rock n roll concert.
The injury rates for LC are very high compared to all other professions. Also, SSD will make these rates of injury higher.
Really? Show me those numbers please
If they would stop jumping off retaining walls or rushing to get done so they can make their tee time maybe the injury rates would drop. Numbers don’t tell the story of how often it’s the employees own unsafe work practices that cause their injuries. Not always but often.
Besides the Rock and Roll Concerts driving the forklifts or LRs how about watching You tube,Netflix whatever while driving then get mad and put in a grievance if the supers say anything! Seriously?
You do know that you have a right to refuse work that you believe to be unsafe right?
I don’t understand why did CanadaPost say the new proposal from CUPW only widens the gap or increased their demands when in fact they lowered their demands from 24% to 19% wage increase? Look who’s lying.
The union has conceded plenty. Canada Post is stalling and praying…and lying.
It’s almost as if there’s more to it than the salaries.. Weird isn’t it?
They didnt reduce the wage. CUPW says 19% but with a Cost of Living Allowance. Might as well bankrupt the company.
In my 25+ years at CP COLA has only been paid once. That was in the last year. Having COLA clause is just a safety margin in case. It rarely gets used.
Look, cupw is not showing us all details of the offer. They are trying to bring other workers in, cleaners etc. This generates more dues for them. The only leverage they have to get this is, is us. This is the truth.
As far as benefits go, well cupw could have paid the premiums as they were given the option and they chose not to. If cupw was not offered this they would have immediately called out cpc for the lie as it is quite damaging. Cupw didn’t address it because it is true, same as bringing outside workers into our negotiations.
Wake up.
If Canada Post made a decent offer the janitor issue would be moot.
CUPW presented an offer, CPC considered it backwards… so what’s happening now? Everyone seems silent and CUPW only posted a video message from the American Postal Union…
I think this union is punch drunk, too many losing battles, their mentality resembles a suicide bomber and they want to make the company and us workers be their victims
To all of you wanting to go with Teamsters and decertify CUPW let me ask you this.
Why has teamsters not come a knocking looking for new members to the tune of 55000? My guess is they recognize an old horse that’s not worth buying and are fine with what they have. Think about it.
That’s not how it works anyway. If people want to recertification CUPW, organizers would need signatures from 30% of the workforce. Then CUPW could be replaced by any other union that members choose. That is the law according to the Canada Labour Code.
Teamsters goal isn’t to try and steal 55,000+ workers from another union. Their resources are better spent elsewhere.
Optics. Teamsters won’t initiate trying to eat cupw lunch. We have to play by the rules and invite them over.
Remember what your employer did. The company cancelled our benefits, illegally laid off workers that were already on strike, and they have lied repeatedly about negotiations. CUPW did not take any “steps” backwards in their latest proposal – None. Zero. Canada Post on the other hand has been refusing to negotiate on the hopes that the government would step in and force arbitration. Never forget — the company wants to harm employees and profit from this harm. This disgusting behavior must never be forgotten. Ever!
Really there are always two sides.
Then the truth.
You remember the part about going on strike? That was the reason you lost your benefits and were layed off for when the strike ends and they don’t need everyone. Canada Post can’t properly negotiate with a union that has no flexibility. You want to build a Time Machine to make up for inflation…Nobody stays ahead of inflation, let alone gets it from a company needs to compete.
Funny you say all that because any union can’t negotiate with any company that has zero flexibility complaining about everything under the sun which they brought upon themselves while pointing the finger at everyone but themselves as the cause
Cupw refused to pay the premiums when offered. What are your thoughts on this?
You are NOT getting ordered back-noneed and you have been told that numerous times.
Canada Post is the government and they are tired of CUPW’s outrageous demands when losing money hand over fist.
Accept it because you are out for the long haul. Earliest now will be into mid January.
I believe you are correct, canada post has already lost all of the peak revenues, most customers who have moved their business to competitors will not return until after peak, being mid January, sir they return at all.
Someone just sent me something from Facebook that the Neb saying we won’t be back for Christmas.. Yay CUPW at least your consistent with your failures to negotiate for us, and try to sneak in Justice Janitors union into Canada Post during our negotiations.. Hooray to be broke waiting for late strike payments..
Congratulations all, we got bamboozled again, and some of you defend that behavior, way to go.. Solidarity my left foot.
Someone sent me something from Facebook that said Elvis was delivering our mail.
There are more and more superstars every day on the news delivering mail-just not CUPW. Where there is a gap, always someone is ready to fill in.
Who is filling in to ship stuff to places like Nunavut?
These intelligent keyboard warriors don’t understand that, the business is being taken by others.. Mail being delivered and fliers as well.. Kiss the business slowly goodbye
Thank you ,thank you very much. Elvis has left the building.
Our demands are fair and your fear tactics will not work. We have already seen huge gains and will see further gains in the weeks ahead.
It’s not fear tactics, it’s says Bulletin 64 CUPW, it’s the Neb, stop pretending it’s not.. We don’t need Justice Janitors union involved, our demands should be for us not others, your part of the problem.
A lot of the demands are fair and the two sides are not that far apart on wages. Some of the demands are incredibly idiotic though, like wanting cleaners to be part of CUPW. If the union dropped this, a deal could quickly be reached.
That’s right-i heard the same thing as well.
CUPW, that’s just great, can you just focus on the 55,000 members that are out of work right now, and forget about finding new ways to make your pockets fatter!!! This is just total B.S. Not back for Christmas, thanks for nothing, thanks for screwing everyone!!!
It’s common sense- more miles walked=more injuries
8% annual wages lost so far (and counting) while on strike. Gonna have to be one heck of a raise to get that back, much less ever see any gains in real dollars.
Agreed. Which is absolutely why we are not coming back unless our demands our met. There is no turning back!
Tell the union to stop being cleaners and other contractors to become Canada Post employees and watch how fast we go back to work. The strike is for CUPW to make more money, and us to suffer and not pay bills.
You made this lost by gambling on a strike. Consider it as gamble.
More to life than money. We stay out on principle. Canada Post is done bullying us!
Sooooooo you support CUPW’s plan to bring in Justice Janitors union..? Instead of focusing on the membership..? You must be an entitled committee member
Even if bringing in cleaners was a good idea, rhe union can do it after we get a deal and go back to work. Or does that make too much sense for CUPW?
Speak for yourself. 90% of people outside are sick of CUPWs silly demands holding up a settlement. We want a deal now so we can go back to work!
Speak for yourself. 100% of people inside and outside are sick of your silly crying like a little baby trying to get your own way, not for the good of all of us but for your own selfish thinking
There has to be a huge lumpsum to cover that loss. I know I am dreaming.
Could you imagine if the union now asked for a signing ‘bonus’? 😆
We are gonna show them. Another 4 weeks and then we will take the first offer.
I have to wonder why the Union feels that its members somehow deserve to have jobs when weekend part timers do not deserve these jobs? Most of the CP hires are unskilled. I am not going to comment much about the Union’s asks, except to say they are greedy, and the majority of CPC workers do not want to be on strike. Heck, some of them are actually pretty thankful to have a job where they dont have college or university debt and can actually pay their rent! yet the weekend part time people – or those would would absolutely JUMP at the change, just to be able to feed THEIR families dinner, dont get a chance since the Union holds everyone hostage. Lets not forget about the small businesses being lost because of this. I foresee a lawsuit against the union.
Every new hire I’ve met has a post secondary degree. You seem to have no real knowledge of the employees are actually like.
LOL! I haven’t met one new hire with a post secondary degree! It’s mostly retired people with no money.
I know at least 2 Ph.Ds. working at our plant.
8 hours is not a job. Come on. Weekend delivery could have easily been done within the existing rules. And could still be done in a new way that’s negotiated but 8 hours guaranteed. It’s not a decent job.
Sipping champagne on the picket line to ring in 2025. Awesome memories. Never forget what your employer did.
Never forget what our union did to us.
Try what the union is doing, not the corporation, CPC not bringing in the Unions Justice Janitors union, which means no profits for them
What exactly was the major step backwards????????? This statement seems false.
Canada Post done playing games with the union. The union part of the Justice Janitors union and trying to bring in them to Canada Post and make them employees and take union dues to line their pockets.. They tried this before and failed..Now they’re trying it again during negotiations and we’re the losers now, it’s a no win for us, and a no rush for corporation. Why would the corporation give us more when the union Negotiating out the membership and for others..? I wouldn’t allow it an did play hard ball as well. That’s what’s backwards. SSD also not going anywhere, they lost in arbitration and trying again, Postal Banking was an epic failure and the union trying again to bring it back.. all backwards while we lose business and faith in Canadians.. That’s what’s backwards…!
The fact remains that He demands of the workers have not moved backwards. They have been the same demands since the beginning!!
I agree SSD is here to stay.
Union didn’t show their other demands such as cleaners and weekends
The cleaners were included but we’re not being shown, and the weekends I haven’t seen either. More CUPW antics..
CUPW is part of Justice Janitors union, and they’re trying to bring them in to Canada Post like how they stuck us with the RSMC’S, and people wonder why Canada Post playing the same game now. The union looking to make more in dues, when will the union stop bringing others in our negotiations and focus on us the members/membership..? You all better wake up and let’s get them Decertified. Teamsters doesn’t do these unfair practices to anyone they represent, they represent their members. What a joke this Become now, we’re striking for CUPW to make more money, not for our rights and wages. Thank you CPC for exposing CUPW secret demands, telling us they’re fighting for us, meanwhile there fighting to profit off our hardships.
CUPW asking for janitors to be part of the union is totally ridiculous. If they really want to pursue this nonsense, can they wait until we have a deal and we’re back at work? To think that this is holding up an agreement and keeping us outside is unbelievable. CUPW, have you forgotten that you’re supposed to work for us? You know the 55,000 people who pay you $1200 a year. Get a deal done today!
8 hours is not a job. Come on. Weekend delivery could have easily been done within the existing rules. And could still be done in a new way that’s negotiated but 8 hours guaranteed. It’s not a decent job.
Stuck you with RSMC’s? Rural carriers have been delivering mail as long as you have, if not longer. It took decades of fighting just so they could become employees, and over another decade to come close to achieving what letter carriers have. You should be ashamed for thinking so little of your co-workers.
You should ask the RSMC’S if they’re happy, then you will change your tone. Most RSMC’s were making more money not being part of the union, CUPW saw them as a cash grab. Why do you think none of the letter Carriers were allowed to deliver to rural areas.You should be ashamed of yourself not knowing the facts.. I have friends who are RSMC’s and they’re disappointed the way they were forced to join when they could have family members and friends help do their routes, as well as owning multiple routes that made them more money. The part I didn’t like for the RSMC’S was the corporation not paying them for fliers and they had to do them everyday. Shame on you for fake news when you don’t know the truth..
Agree canada post union is trying to benefit at the cost of workers by putting unreasonable demands like include cleaners, contractors as canada post work force.
Let canadapost be sustainable.
See any similarities?
Royal Mail’s perilous financial situation has not been helped by workers walking out several times between May 2022 and July 2023 amid a row over proposed pay rises at the peak of the cost-of-living crisis.
Postal workers had their wages frozen in 2021 and were offered a two per cent increase plus a £250 one-off payment – which union the CWU balked at amid inflation rates of around nine per cent.
It led to the now infamous images of cage upon cage of undelivered post sitting outside postal depots across the country – and eventually Royal Mail convinced unions to back a 10 per cent pay rise and a £500 lump sum.
Nevertheless, the service has since axed around 10,000 jobs – made up of 6,000 redundancies and thousands of other workers not being replaced upon leaving.
Amidst this, spiralling costs and competition from other couriers like DPD, Yodel, Evri and Whistl eating away at its customer base, Royal Mail reported a loss of £1.044billion in the year to March 2023.
Results for last year are due any day now – but the half-year results to September show an operating loss of £383million, up from £278million the previous year.
That doesn’t include the period that saw Royal Mail fined £5.6million by Ofcom after failing to hit delivery targets.
Only IDS’s international shipping arm, the Amsterdam-based GLS, is profitable, helping to offset the woes of the British business.
Great point. The union types here will just keep singing the same song of corporate greed, ineptitude and corruption. None of it is true but they find it easier to say that than look at themselves in the mirror.
Yes let’s start the new year right and Decertify them.. I’m all in, I’ll call Teamsters..
we dont fit Teamsters brand of being honest hard working
Worlet’s are the union. And we are not backing down against our corrupt employee.
Huh?
https://www.royalmail.com/receiving/the-future-of-letter-deliveries
2024 will always be remembered as the last CUPW strike. Wrongly and poorly executed. CUPW see you decertified in 2025-2028.
Yes let’s start the new year right and Decertify them.. I’m all in, I’ll call Teamsters..
Zero chance of this. Canada post is scared….
Zero chance is still a chance… wait until the govt does not want to bail out CPC and it is sold. That is why I wrote 2025 to 2028.
CP isn’t scared, we’ve played right into their hands of taking the business private. They couldn’t have asked for a better gift. With CUPW’s demands for cleaners joining the union, (why not demand Tim Horton workers be able to join as well since most of us stop there every morning!!) the corporation can show the Gov’t it’s impossible to come to a settlement with this absurd union. It will be sold. What a mess with no end in site.
Scared of what? No revenue vs operating losses? They can’t accept union demands without dooming the business, whereas not operating actually stops the hemorrhaging.
The Union should listen to the members.
The most members want “go back to work as soon as possible”.
We should demand our union to close the deal quickly. We have to act , not only commenting here…
It is the Union’s joke: cleaners, contractors etc.., seriously ?
I Agree 100%
It is a joke, but it’s not funny. In fact, it’s grotesque. Is it possible for CUPW to focus on actual members that pay dues now.
This is false. We don’t want to accept concessions so while we want to go back to work, we want to do it with a fair contract.
It is becoming little by little too late as the end of this week approaches. By the end of the week, if there is nothing, there wont be anything till mid next january next year.
This is the warmest and happiest I’ve ever been on a Tuesday in December at lunchtime in 22 years!
Thanks for finally giving me a long awaited Christmas bonus CPC!
20 hour part time is not going to work either, if you have two day weekends. Unless you plan on running two ten hour shifts at straight time.
Where’s the transparency we deserve from CUPW..? Let’s see all the offers on the table and the unions secret demands they don’t tell us that CPC exposed. Why are we the members be lied to about this strike..? Are we on strike for us or for CUPW secret profiting schemes..? We deserve to see the offers and demands in full, no details left out, let’s see who’s lying and let us vote on what we want, not what CUPW wants. There’s no 95% voted for this mess, lets also see how many voted. Too many secrets CUPW hides and we’re paying the price with financial losses. At least get our strike pay on time..Geez…
TRANSPARENCY NOW..!! WE DESERVE THE TRUTH, EXPOSE THE LIARS NOW..!
Where’s the transparency we deserve from CPC? Let’s see all the offers and hidden demands that the corporation isn’t telling us about. Tell us exactly what they see dynamic routing and weekend delivery is going to look like, instead of just saying it’s “flexibility”.
YES YES YES! Show us the offers and lets have another vote today!
Maybe it was but I sure dont remember cleaners and contractors being part of our list of demands way back when. Stop exploiting the workers in the bargaining unit cupw and negotiate for postal workers. By exploiting the workers… again.. you may have just sealed the fate of your future as a union.
The union never cared about the membership, only profiting off them with strikes. Constant negotiation failures yet they’re doing it again and people only blame CPC.. What a joke and shame on CUPW with their secrets.
CUPW should have the President, executives, and the negotiating committee step down and be financially responsible for our lost wages with demands that are not for the members, but themselves.. Shame on CUPW
Union is part of a justice for janitors movement
Union wants to be THE JUSTICE union. It isn’t working well since inception….
Seems to me the biggest thing keeping us on strike is the weekend coverage BS. I get the union wants to protect FT jobs and ensure they still get their double time! But reality is CP can NEVER be competitive doing that. Accept change and bring in PTers. To protect FTers for their double time at the expense of mass layoffs!! C’mon people. But I guess the union would rather protect high senority FTs who are close to retirement and will be gone within 5-6 years and dont care, then have a company at all beyond that.
The only thing delaying us is the talks about CUPW trying to bring in cleaners, snow removal, EV Chargers, and other contractors to be CUPW, when the cleaners are already unionized. Those demands are not what the membership wants. Why doesn’t CUPW show us all the offers..? Or their demands..? Because it’s not what should be included in negotiations. SSD is a lost cause
https://www.cupw.ca/en/separate-sort-and-delivery-%E2%80%93-national-grievance-rejected
Postal Banking failed. Miserably and they keep pushing it. Two tier was a union idea and agreement. RSMC’s gets everything we get when they were contractors was union idea to make more in union dues. 3 contracts including this one again for RSMC’S improvements.
Union should allow CPC to do weekend delivery their way and put a clause they will look into it in a years time. We’re losing business like crazy with no end to this senseless strike and the useless demands the union has included for others. They’re paid to negotiate for us, not make everything inside CPC Canada Post employees.. Enough is enough
Some FT do not even want to do weekend deliveries because they say they have a life. So I do not know what they are fighting for…
You’re correct, the union looking for an excuse to get more dues by bringing in more people, while we have part timers and Casuals who’d be happy to work and get extra hours.. It’s unreal how the union thinks and treats us all.. For shame, the public, Canada, small businesses and everyone affected hates us and we may never get lost business back, which will lead to job losses..
I think CUPW has actually ba ked off on the demand for RDO in weekend. They’ve accepted part-timers and just asked for 20 hour minimum. That’s quite reasonable. The main hold-up is now CUPW trying to bring in cleaners. Also demanding 17 personal days. They have to drop these demands and then we could get a deal done!
Fingers crossed.. I have bills to pay..
It is pretty clear the union has come down a lot.
The union has to drop the additional demands of removing SSD, they already lost that in arbitration
https://www.cupw.ca/en/separate-sort-and-delivery-%E2%80%93-national-grievance-rejected
Drop making the cleaners CPC employees, Postal Banking the epic failure should be left alone, senior check ins (we’re not nurses or healthcare workers) snow removal..etc . CUPW wants to make more money on the backs of our negotiations, it should only be Wages, Benefits and Pension… That’s it, let the corporation do the weekend delivery and look back in it in a year. The union has dropped nothing, they should drop those demands I listed to you and we will be working. We’re going to lose 2 months pay over this now..
You obviously don’t have SSD in your depot, it’s a disaster
on what ? unrealistic stupid wage increase of 13% in year 1 down to unrealistic 9%
Exactly Joe, people avoiding the facts here..
Thanks for CPC to open this free forum !
On CUPW site you cant say anything against a Union all propaganda and much from borring retired people sitting at home and collecting pension.
CUPW is asking people to pay for a bus to go to Ottawa 11.12 where is the 55 000 000 cupw collected from us over years ? shame ! corapted cupw neb !
Labour minister can rule us back.
The house of commons comes into play after CPC borrows another ..1.5 billion. Then the House would have to allow us to borrow more or say NO.
If they say NO our new part owners are already in place the bondholders.
Union has agreed to straight time work for weekends. CPC is the party that refuses to move.
No they haven’t agreed to that, stop fabricating information. Also it should not be full timers, we have part timers and Casuals that would love the hours just to work, plus will the lost business who knows if a full time person is needed. The unions demands to add cleaners and all that other nonsense is why the corporation refuses to move, I don’t blame them because it profits CUPW not the US the members.
Even with Canada Post’s inept management burning through remaining credit lines will take years. The $1.5 billion remaining has to be approved by Finance minister. After that we will see some fireworks.
It is over. Have a good new year. I see you next year, end of January for an update.
CPC already lost black friday volume, already lost christmas volume, there is no need for them to accept any entitled offers right now.
You’re correct, and we’re about to lose Christmas, so no one will get Christmas cards till January or February now.. and businesses are looking elsewhere. Also Purolator delivering our parcels and busier than ever like UPS, and they both can’t take anymore because overloaded, while we do nothing. Corporation owns Purolator so they’re still making money and will file losses because of strike. Public hates us, Canadians as a whole hate us, we failed to deliver the holidays and small businesses are suffering because they can’t get affordable shipping. There’s already tons of small shipping companies waiting to scoop what ever is left of our business. Private people now delivering fliers and even mail, it’s a lose lose for us all, and we don’t even get strike pay on time.
Turn that frown upside down!
When you hold out for more money, it’s for the long term, ongoing and compounding gain. Sacrificing the immediate impact and loss for the end result… if it works out that way?
We will be ordered back to work. They are not going to allow 185,000 passports, license, cheques, and entire communities completely cut off for the rest of the year. Stop with your fear mongering
lol, fyi you can now pick a service center to pick up your passport.
Everyone are smart enough to find an alternative just cost a few bucks more
Times running out, no one in parliament has done anything and December 17 they shut down for Christmas and come back on the 17th of January. If we get ordered back they have to act now because it takes a couple days to put the bill through. Don’t hold your breath for that..
You are NOT getting ordered back-noneed and you have been told that numerous times.
Canada Post is the government and they are tired of CUPW’s outrageous demands when losing money hand over fist.
Accept it because you are out for the long haul. Earliest now will be into mid January.
Let’s hope it’s ASAP!
Cheques can be canceled and reissued or paid electronically, passports can get courier service and license renewal can be done pickup points, shipped in bulk. Don’t pretend there isn’t an alternative
CUPW has put forward a plan for weekend work at straight time rates. Why is CPC lying and saying this is a sticking point?
CUPW is not moving away from a negotiated settlement. CPC LIES!
https://www.ctvnews.ca/video/c3044382-where-do-talks-stand-with-canada-post-?playlistId=1.7117312
Union is pushing Canada post on being irrelevant very quick. Not a single mp has brought up Canada post in question period. Not a top news story.
Corp has been setting it up to fail for awhile with mass hiring of management etc.
I predict easily min 10k layoffs
Pretty clear we are not being legislated back since the damage is done now. Government goes off next week for Christmas till the new year so no work till the new year now. Cpc is not afraid to hold their ground which says something here about this process-they knew this was coming for a long time with the hiring freezes etc. Government also knows what needs to be done or hand outs will be needed. Fight is over imo.
Fight has only just begun. Who cares what CPC does or does not do. We will have our demands met and a fair contract negotiated. Period.
Don’t need the house….Labour minister can order us back
He can, but he still hasn’t.. Time is running out and CUPW stalling to drag this past Christmas and into January.. What a disgusting way to be treated and the public opinions of us all are against everyone
Keep in mind we are operating in a competitive market with the private sector, do we think that having the government bail us out will not impact all private couriers. Better believe that Fed Ex and UPS will be putting up a huge stink about tax payer bailouts, and this would probably force the government in to privatizing us. We should be subsidized for the rural area deliveries otherwise the cost to serve is too prohibitive.
Thanks for the great comment!
Email labour minister!!
Yes, this may be our only hope for a return to work. He can either introduce back-to-work legislation or force a vote on Canada Post’s latest proposal. Either would be better than staying out to support janitors!
Change is on the horizon.
All signs are pointing to an impending and massive company restructure.
The writing seems to be on the wall…
100% agree
Needs legislation to change the Act. Zero chance of this happening before elections next year. Stop trying to spread unfounded fears.
We can only hope! Drain the swamp! Drain the swamp!
Their is zero chance anybody in upper management or above gets fired, since that would make the union happy, if anything this union gives them total job security
Way back, cupw exchanged the members banked sick time for the opportunity to have RSMCs become cupw members. Cupw members lost thousands of dollars in banked sick time but the union got what they wanted….more members….more union dues. It would appear they are doing the same thing again with the cleaners. What will cupw members loose this time?
They will lose 20,000 well paying jobs. What a mess.
Yes that is true. Not only that there are hundreds of different cleaning contractors for Canada Post plants, retail outlets, and depots across Canada. It’s not as if the workers of one company are asking to be unionized. The whole idea is useless and impossible, yet CUPW is holding up our contract for this. It would be seen as a sick joke, if it weren’t true. Once again, total failure by CUPW!
The RSMC’S cost us multiple negotiations, now the union trying to bring more people on our backs of another Negotiation. Late strike pay, hiding demands from the membership, I’m glad CPC exposed CUPW’s additional demands for cleaners and other contracted workers. They should only be negotiating for the membership, and now we lose 2 months pay, only to hope we get legislated back, and we end up with less because CUPW shenanigans. I wish people would use common sense and stop thinking it’s always the post office, when it’s clearly CUPW costing us future jobs and faith in Canadians.
Only been one month. Not sure it has cost us any faith either. Canadians know that people have to eat.
We lost the banked sick time from PM Harper
Nothing to do with rural carriers
2011
For as long as this has dragged on going near week 5 next week this is appalling. CUPW union heads misleading their members Big Time. If the members had any common sense at all when this is done – they would vote and remove CUPW completely. What is sad in all of this members make comments of management and so on bonuses and BS. Their are no bonuses – bonuses have been scrapped, Get the comments straight first. How much business do you think Canada Post has lost right now due to the CREED OF THE UNION! But the union is misleading a lot of you and you are buying it. When their is no Canada Post left – Thank your selves. We are not as Competitive in the market as we should be for 2024 – which is what Canada Post is trying to do. This Postal banking BS that CUPW has been after for years is Not Part of the Business Plan – why don’t we open up also a Car Lot!!! This Union is completely destroying Jobs for us all! Wake the H–LL up! Embarrassment to be affiliated to CUPW at all- Lousy Union, POOR AND LOUSY LEADERSHIP. Oh I guess now pushing for the cleaners to be part Canada Post – good way for the Union to up the dues. Ask your Union Leaders what they make A Month off you. And when they don’t tell you – there is a reason for that and odds are you won’t get an honest answer either. Again time to vote CUPW out
Well said! It is amazing how so many people just do not see the writing on the wall!
All union paid salaries are public information and can be seen in the relevant published bylaws/constitutions at local, regional, and national level. Stop lying.
Post the link for the union salaries, I want to see how much our president and executive along with the negotiating committee are making during this cluster …k.. if you have the link please post, if not stop spreading lies defending those that are costing us our livelihoods and negotiating unfairly for cleaners and other contractors.. Don’t be fake news, POST THE LINK NOW…!! or be quiet
I agree! Anytime in the last 35 yrs and will be retiring if this mess every gets resolved…we were never once allowed to see the Local by laws…Everything CUPW does is hush hush
The management bonuses are now called AT RISK PAY and it’s legit, I’ve seen the pay stubs, the rest of your statement is valid.. only the Bonus part is misleading, so I hope you’re not a supervisor posing as part of the membership otherwise, well said.
Yes time to Decertify NOW, this abuse in power has gone long enough, I’m calling Teamsters to get the ball rolling.. Let us unite and win this battle against those that have destroyed our reputation and values..
why is CUPW showing only 6 demands? where is the rest ? 17 days ? stupid ,,,no one in a country get it 13 is very good . company has to change and there is no stop to full ssd .
we fighting for next generation of who? people that mabe not born yet in other country ?
why is few poeple from CUPW NEB have a power to destroy 55000 jobs !! let us vote on offer
That’s exactly right. The CUPW leadership are just as deceptive as Canada Post. Especially if they’re fighting for cleaners who have never paid dues and are not part of the union. They don’t care that 55,000 real workers are outside suffering for nothing. The union offices and hotel meeting rooms are nice and cozy!
“As of December 1, 2022, employees in federally regulated workplaces in Canada are entitled to up to 10 days of paid medical leave per year. “
I agree Joe, but I want to see the last 2 recent offers from CPC as well as demands of CUPW because I’m sure the union is hiding more demands from us.
Let’s see who’s playing games with the employees/membership. CUPW won’t show us because they’ll get caught lying to us all, and having us on strike to fill their pockets.. CUPW let us see everything.. NOW
Is everyone working in CUPW taking a pay cut? The president? Otherwise it is not fair they are milking on CUPW dues when there is no agreement..
In the end, CUPW will get absolutely no sympathy from the public, and has lost most of its support from the other CP unions. Greed will be your downfall and it will be deserved.
That is right, but not really a change for CUPW.
Basically the Union wants Federal Money, But they are trying to get it through the company.
CPC charter doesn’t allow them to sign the deal the union proposed.
Predictable Impasse.
Yes really nothing new here. CUPW has negotiated two contracts since 1965. Every other negotiation ended in a strike or lock-out. They truly have the worst track record of any union in Canada. Great job as always CUPW!
More lies. There has been plenty of agreements without strike or lockouts since 1965.
MY previous comment not posted..
Will repeat, 30 years with CPC, not CUPW member. I have seen everything which can be put in a book format. Good and bad. Management worse every year (hired with no experience), not flexibility at all, not using employees best skills to a full extend. Very rigid organization. Too many layers of bureaucracy. Too many chiefs. The list of problems very long. Unions are not perfect but without them you all except executives would be making minimum wage and benefits.
All the negotiations team that are just clerks and carriers are still getting paid full salary from the union. Hence zero sense of urgency!!!
While 50k employees receiving zero pay for the next few months.
Actually 55,000 but who’s counting. Who needs money anyway. We’re all just out there to serve CUPW exec’s giant egos!
This is wrong. The CUPW negotiators are making the same $50 as the good folks on the line. I hope this soothes your mind about unequal pay. There is none.
Just not getting paid from Canada post. They are getting full pay from union.
Here’s a friendly remainder kids,This strike began Nov 15 and in order to set the record for longest strike in Canads Post history it must go til Dec 28. This will beat the previous record Oct 21 to Dec 2 1975. So let’s all play nice and aim for that dubious goal!
So we are going to get the 13 personal days. That was give to us. Not demanded. Now I am expecting to get less in all the other areas because how long it has dragged out and missed the Xmas timelines.
Hopefully not, it would be a shame to lose because CUPW’s continuous failures to negotiate. If they stick to the membership and not their pockets we won’t lose anything
This goes out to anybody that is still holding on to hope. Let it go. It’s over. Canada post and the union are at a standstill and the business is declining and about to be run into the ground. This is complete negligence on both sides. So this is Christmas, what have you done?
I agree. The corporation has other plans for the business. Maybe sell it off and take it private? Bad times ahead I fear.
Will probably be sold out…. The unions (all unions) killed that company….
Think about this
We are already out 7.85% in pay ( 2/26 pay periods)
If this continues. we are out 3.85% in pay for every pay period we miss
That means if we go back to work in late December, we are already out of pocket 11.7% in pay
We would not see a true raise until years 3 and 4, which would give us 3% and 3%
In reality, we have held out for a 6% raise over 4 years, which is 50% less than what was offered in the second global offer
I realize that there are considerations other than money ,but back in the depot people were insulted by a 12% increase, which works out to be double than what we are holding out for!
By the way, I am a 15 yr carrier, not a CPC employee
That is true. If we had accepted 11.75% and not gone on strike we would actually have been ahead of CUPWs current demand of 19% with a 4 week pay loss. Incredibly bad job by our union once again. What are they fighting for? Janitors that are not even part of our union? Thanks for nothing CUPW!
The union has no use for calculators. 1+1 allows equals 2 and they CAN’T convince you otherwise!
Your math is wrong. You will be back paid for 2023, easily covering cost of strike. Plus the additional pay for years.
LOL! There will be no backpay. What other dreams do you have? The Federal Gov’t have no plans or interest to step in and help fix this mess. That speaks volumes. This place will be sold off to the highest bidder and taken private. Easy 20,000+ jobs will be gone. Very sad situation.
Retroactive pay
Since collective agreement expired a while ago
Always get that
CUPW is only sharing details of the proposal that they want us to see. If the entire proposal was shared I’m sure the membership would be outraged. Let’s see the ENTIRE proposal.
There are good workers and lousy workers – one comment above was Canada Post taking Canadians to the cleaners. Try CUPW taking Canadians to the cleaners. What CUPW union is asking for in increase is bloody ridiculous – who gets that Amount in the business sector -No one. The union now wants cleaners, snow removers so on to be part of CUPW – give me a break the union is looking out for More Monthly Union dues. This strike has been the be all end all don’t expect a Canada Post left in the upcoming years. Well done to the Union. Looking at the newest demands of CUPW this is a bloody joke and again a ploy by CUPW to go to Arbitration! Wake the hell up people
Totally agree with you, the uneducated Union Bosses are being out smarted by the University educated CPC CEO’s.
Why does CUPW need CPC’s permission to bring janitors in the union?
Janitors are already in a union!!!! Just not with CUPW
Wake up people
Don’t understand why CUPW is so worried about the contractors, really??? You don’t collect enough dues? So you’re fighting for them, but how about taking care of your present members that have been paying dues for years, let us get back to work.
Cupw has a hidden agenda with justice for janitors movement, and their new union gigafy united and foodsters united campaign.
They are concerned about growing their own businesses!!!
Why are 55,000 dues-paying members losing day after day of wages for people who have never been part of the union? This is beyond stupid, yet so typical of CUPW. Please drop this outrageous demand and represent the people who actually pay you. Get a deal done so we can go back to work!
You’re letting your workers down Canada Post. CUPW workers are Canada Post. Get rid of all the extra supervisors that you hired during covid, get rid of half your VPs, who clearly don’t know what they’re doing if you’ve lost $3 billion dollars in 6 years. And pay the people who actually serve Canadians a wage they can live off of! Me, and a lot of my coworkers all work second jobs. Even though this job leaves us broken and exhausted most days. The way things run needs to change, absolutely. But making our lives even more difficult is not the way to do it. Giving future employees a crap job isn’t the way to do it. We deserve better. We deserve respect!
Canada Post management… Define “largely keeping full time” please.
Define changes to “mail based delivery models”
Quit with the BS please… Spell it out!
Cupw… You guys have to be the WORST poker players in the planet.. Seriously.. You want a mediator to take you seriously when you are harping about bringing cleaners into cupw?
17 days of potential sick /personal days? What planet do you live on?!
Ya know? Bring on the CIRB.
this is displayed idiocy
Clearly, the Union “knows not what they do”.
yes i fell sorry for all involved but i don’t think its the mailman that walks door to door in all kinds of weather that is losing millions of dollars i think the fat cats collecting Hugh bonusses and big pay checks that couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery are the ones to blame. I would fire them all. And as for the union you should be happy you have one fighting for you because if you didn’t the pigs at the trough would be filling there pockets even more and having you pay them for your jobs. I often wondered how people in Mexico survive. Think about it people working hard and cant afford groceries or decent homes. sound familiar?Good buy and good luck.
“Defined benefit pension plan (guaranteed income) with yearly cost-of-living adjustments for pensioners.”
Seriously, I want this too NOW. I demand same for everyone at CPC or everyone has the same as defined contribution…. UNFAIR to other workers!!!!
WHAT DO YOU WANT MORE CUPW???
https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/doc/en/news-and-media/Backgrounder-CUPW-Urban_e.pdf
https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/our-company/news-and-media/corporate-news/news-release/2024-12-09-with-cupws-national-strike-now-in-its-fourth-week-the-unions-latest-offer-takes-major-steps-backwards
If CUPW is still demanding ti include cleaners as part of the union, then that is incredibly stupid. Our union should focus on getting the 55,000 workers who are already members back to work with a contract now! To think this demand is one of the main things holding up a settlement almost seems like a joke. Please wake up CUPW and get a deal done. Stop with the silly side issues and trying to save the world. The real people who have been paying dues to you for years want a solution!
I fully support CUPW, can hardly wait to retire from this toxic company
Who do you think makes it toxic?CUPW and CPC both…one side is as bad as the next
This fight is necessary. If CPC has been in such dire financial trouble for so long why are we even still open?????????
Don t be so quick to disregard future hirees. We threw them under the bus before and now most of our energy is spent on reinstated wages and pensions for newbies. Don’t let a big % increase make you forget about them. They will be back to haunt you every contract.
How is this a step backwards? CUPW has moved on every issue? The corporation is the one who is taking steps backwards and not bargaining in good faith!
I repeat make CP make your “final global offer” make it public like CUPW has. If its rejected I am sure the minister of Labour will invoke his powers and send both parties to binding arbitration in order to save both parties from eachother
It’s not loss , it’s your spending on unnecessary projects, one side you are saying that parcel volumes are declining and on other side you are building mega plants for what?
You bought vehicles which are getting rusted in our parking lots for years and not even used. Who makes these decisions? Which business does that.?
Both sides aren’t exactly innocent in this. But like in every business the workers have a choice if they don’t like what the employer is doing. If you don’t like it go find something else. That’s what everyone in the private sector would do. They would go find another job. And that job probably wouldn’t come with 7 weeks holidays, 13 flex days, 6 other flex days, pre retirement weeks, company paid pension. Wage increase each year. Great benefits….. The same goes for mgmt as well. If you don’t like your job then find something else. I’ve worked private and public. And it’s not even close to the way you’re treated. CPC is a great place to work for what they offer. If you disagree go on linked in. Take a look at what the market has to offer. Heck call up Amazon and see what they offer. I believe it wouldn’t come anywhere close to CPC….
Pre-retirement weeks must be nice to have.
CUPW set up a forum so we can tell you how we feel about how you’ve handled the negotiations of the membership, you won’t because we’ll tell you to resign and quit..!! Show us all the offers now and remove the demands that don’t impact or benefit the membership..NOW..
Well said.
Lots of name calling going on. I feel like crisis really brings out the Lord of the Flies in us all. People leaving comments like it makes a difference. All you can do is pray.
The blind leading the blind.
The 3 stooges, CPC, government and the union
Pass the buck on who to blame. All 3 to blame for this mess. What an embarrassment. Grow up and get a deal done.
Ok so every pay period we lose equals a 3.85% loss
We are out a months pay already ,which equals a loss of 7.7% – if we had signed the second offer we would have had a 3.5% increase with no loss in pay and potential overtime
If we dont sign for a pay period in 2025, thats another 3.85% loss in income
Potentially we wont see an increase until years 3 and 4, and thats a relatively paltry 3% per year
In conclusion, we would have gone through all this for a 6% raise over 4 years which is 50% of the so called insulting 12% second offer !
Food for thought from a 15 yr letter carrier
why percentages?
$1000 for every week ,lost
How long does it take to save $5000 for most people, a year?
I don’t understand why we didn’t stay at work while the bargaining process continues. Come on you guys, you’ve got 1 job,she’s
Yes, you’re exactly right. We’ve already lost more than CUPW’S 19% demand would cover. If we’d accepted 11.75% with no strike we would have actually been ahead. In other words, we’ve all lost a month of pay for nothing!
Let the sink ship CPC. We dont want entitled employees. There will be thousands of people who would want same wage, pension and benefit. The company needs to move forward. Stop with the non-sense of adding whatever new members or even paying double in the weekends…
WE WANT CHANGE AT CANADA AND CANADA POST!!!!
9 percent year one is unreasonable, when you factor in the damage this strike has caused, union should of asked for this right before the strike , the union has misplayed their hand once again
Exactly, they started low from the beginning and trying to save face with pitiful demands. The corporation didn’t play their game and this is why there’s no significant raise in the end.
Bro – this public corporation wants to claim they cant increase my pay to match inflation – so they want me to work for less.. at the very least hand out some non-monetary improvements i.e. in the federal public service employees get 2 personal days, 13 sick days, 5 family days. Do better CPC
Inflation is only 2.6 percent this year. Did you know that?
@CP management: I didn’t vote for cupw and I’m honestly fed up with the way they are handling this. This should never have been planned before Christmas. I would like to quit the union and begin work. Is there a way for me to do this. If yes, please put the details here as I’m sure there are many here being pulled against their wishes.
Yup everyone was pulled and scammed by the union to go on strike. Members need to develop some Spine and vote CUPW out from representing you. All that’s needed is a 45 – 50 vote to remove – double check Labor Canada!
Get your facts straight, Bobby. The former CA was being honoured until the Union told employees to walk out at 12:01 November 15. It was CUPW who terminated the contract when they informed CPC they would initiate strike action. Employees walked out at 12:01 November 15, CPC terminated the contact at 8am the same day. Don’t let facts get in the way of a good hatred-filled rant.
Hear!Hear!👏👏👏
When you tell someone to get their facts straight you may want to have yours straight as well !!
When cupw gave its strike notice we would have been working under the expired collective as in the past when cupw engaged in rotating action. 8 hours later the corp informed cupw that it would be cancelling the contract as per their rights and working under the labour code as of that Friday morning. Without the same protections as afforded under the collective the union was left with no choice but to call a full strike.
Answer this question, Gary….had the Union NOT provided notice to strike on November 15, and employees were still working, would employees be working under the previous CA or the Canada Labour Code?
Pretty simple answer, but I’m sure you’ll spin it to suggest it’s all CPC’s fault as so many of you union loyalists do.
I was scared when I saw the unions new offer. Seemed so reasonable I was worried we might get a deal soon.
Glad to see that is not the case. Id like to be on the sidelines until it starts warming up again
It’s just demand after demand from both sides! Not negotiating! CUPW does not give full details of what is being offered by CPC! Time to end this ridiculous nonsense from both sides!!! Time for government to impose binding arbitration! CUPW and CPC need to put their proposals on the table and have the arbitration pick one! Neither side will be happy with what they get, but will put an end to the stupidity of a negotiation!!!
Sadly genius has it limitations but stupidity doesn’t. These contract negotiations showed this. Both sides at the table should be ashamed and embarrassed.
Government is not going to intervene.A previous post was right,binding arbitration can’t be used if a crown corporation is on strike,it can only be used in a lockout.The only way to force workers back is with legislation in the House Of Commons,and that’s not going to happen.Labour Minister keeps saying he won’t step in even though he ended the last two disputes in 48 hours.Canada Post and CUPW are now playing a game seeing who will give up first.
Read the article, the union wants cleaners and other services that have nothing to do with us under CUPW, more union dues, more money in their pockets. I’m glad the post office posted what CUPW is hiding..!!
Totally agree, they are becoming unreasonable, not a good posture for the members who are not getting their salaries.
It truly saddens me, that we have even got to this point..shame on management and union for leaving its employees and customers out to dry during the busiest time of year for everyone…My kids tell me “The Grinch didn’t steal Christmas, Canadapost did”..
Your kids need a lesson in what Christmas is! And you need to do better explaining it to them.
Do some research!!
This may sound crazy- BUT- even with both sides not being impressed with each other’s latest proposals- the silver lining is- they were together to present and receive the latest cupw proposal – AND they so far both agree that the desire is to have a negotiated settlement- it may not be alot, BUT it is something. ?????
It is only something once Canada Post understands we have waited decades for a fair negotiated deal — and we will have our satisfaction one way or another!
I’m sure CPC is shaking in their boots!😱😂After they cut the workforce in half
So you’re telling me there’s a chance….!!!
Crown cooperation should think about the employees, small businesses , services to the Canadians, and the future of Canada’s postal service. CPC should terminate the Ceo and his all vice presidents. Then only this negotiations will go with good faith.
Totally – management has failed to manage the operations.. they need to go!
really sure
Read those last 4 points cpc made above.
1) Wage increases (way below inflation)
2) good pensions (but decreased benefits if you don’t retire before 2026) Future employees , well, not so much..
3) maintaining vacations (gee thanks) also maintaining 13 personal days. (We used to earn 15 days per year and we could bank them)
4)stringent job security ( unless we get a chance for spiteful lay off or if you are a future hiree)
What a bung pile.
If it’s a step backwards then can you show s what was the step forwards. Tis is just an offer not the final offer. Get serious and start negotiations face to face instead of bargaining through press notes.
CPC steps backwards on their last offer, then complains CUPW is stepping backwards. A tyrants policy, ALWAYS accuse your opponents of the sins you are guilty of!
An offer is an offer. accept or reject what do you mean it is not final offer?
Supervisor won’t get it.
Step backwards CPC has to mimic the Union. I’ll step backwards I think the union is going backwards with wage I agree with Canada Post they should have stayed at 24%
The way CPC is playing has to be brought to the media’s attention. This is borderline oppression being handed to the workers. We must rise up.
What are you talking about? Some specifics please.
STOP breaking the law Canada Post! Trudeau’s gov said 10 sick days per year — you tried to only give us 6. WE DEMAND 10! If we win in arb it will cost company even more for retro. Agree to 10 or we stay out!!!!!
https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/programs/laws-regulations/labour/interpretations-policies/medical-leave-pay.html
The union didn’t fight for it that’s why we got 6, also the corporation said the will continue to give us 6 as they’re only temporary, stop asking for something the union didn’t fight for when they had the opportunity, this is why we don’t have a contract
No way! 13 personal day, thank you!
That’s all we get then.. they don’t have to give any more — they can conceivably take away the 7 personal days and leave us with 10 medical days what’s all that’s required.. greedy bunch of people. No one on gods green earth get 17 paid days off with some employees getting 8 weeks AL. This union needs to stop this madness
YOU DO HAVE 10 MEDICAL LEAVES. DO YOU REALLY THINK CANADA POST WILL STEAL YOUR MEDICAL LEAVES? IT IS THE LAW. AS OF 2022, YOU HAVE 10 MEDICAL LEAVES. WHO TOLD YOU U DO NOT HAVE 10 MEDICAL LEAVES??????
https://infopost.ca/wp-c/u/2022/12/Personal_Days_Booklet_2022-e.pdf
You can stay out, I’m good with 6 and a job, you unemployment and your imaginary days..
How many personal days are the required to give us? 13 days to use whenever we want is better than 10 sick days that require a note. And yes, back around 2007 the corporation tried to require a note for every sick day after a certain number (I think it was 5 or so).
We used to get 15 per year. After 7 occurrences they could bring you in for a meeting. After 10 occurrences they “may” require a doctor’s note. If you missed 2 or 3 days in a row, that was one occurrence. We could bank these days and I have watched many people retire with hundreds of unused sick days. The average in CP was 7 sick days per employee back then. Awesome system, everyone should be happy? Nope. They took them away and gave us 7 and we had to use them or take the money. Now that’s a management decision. 😖
When I started here in 2001 we earned one and a quarters days per month or 15 days a year that we could use or bank. When people ask about rollbacks and what happens next, here you have it. 2024 and we are fighting to get back sick time still. Then they feed it to us like a prize.
You already had 7 there buddy. You actually got three extra…You want to give three of back to make it ten? Or are you greedily going for 17?
No thanks, that’s not a good enough reason to stay out. Canada Post is already offering 13 paid personal days. They can be used for medical leave, or any other reason. That is enough and not worth losing any more days, weeks, or months of pay over.
One thing for certain. Any remaining keeners in the corporation will have their dedication rebooted to a new state. Finally, they will understand why everyone else seemed so disgruntled. This is a sobering labour dispute for a generation, with our employer showing its true face for everyone to see. It might take over a decade for management to fix this debacle and it’s all their fault.
CPC just creating the next generation of disgruntled employees. Keep repeating the same process, keep getting the same results!
Good points friend 👊🏼🫶
Which planet are you on? CPC has been reasonable adult in this negotiation and CUPW is the spoiled brat dragging out the process. CPC has moved by enhancing its offer (higher wage increase than its 2nd global offer) but CUPW is still focusing on fringe issues like demanding to add cleaners and contractors to its membership. I’m embarrassed to being a member. Count me in if there is an initiative to remove/replace CUPW. This union doesn’t represent the interests of its current union-due paying members. Why? Their ridiculous demands if granted will sink the company and kill our jobs. This union acts like a parasite: keep sucking the host dry, and when the host dies, it just packs up and finds another host.
Would CUPW please post complete proposal/offer and let everyone see why we’re so far apart.. This is beyond childish behavior, stop hiding information from the members.. We deserve to see why you’re unable to get the job done, at this point arbitration is better than the drama your playing us for, worse than Trudeau when he was a Drama teacher.. Stop the games, let us see everything NOW…!!!
Yes….let us see…because people like this guy thinks he knows everything…dot dot dot.
You’re drinking all the KoolAid, my friend! Get on the right side or get going!
Why don’t you get on the right side? Stop calling people stupid, pathetic whatever because they don’t think like you…You’re entitled to your opinion just like others are entitled to theirs!
You can have an opinion, just don’t make stuff up to persuade others to go by your opinion. CUPW does NOT go to Cuba every year, CUPW does NOT stay in 5 star hotels during negotiations, CUPW is fighting for our rights and you’re defending the very people that are trying to take them away from us. That makes no sense to me, but keep going!
Please show us where they talked about Cuba or 5 star hotels, are you arguing with someone else?
Why doesn’t CPC post all of their proposals?
they literally just did that
try a new line?
Make it home make it safe but you start us at 1130. We were essential during covid but now we are not. Shame on you. The proposals were more than reasonable. Grow up!!! Get Her Done Already!!!
Here here!
What, exactly, were the major steps backwards?
Read the article, the union wants cleaners and other services that have nothing to do with us under CUPW, more union dues, more money in their pockets. I’m glad the post office posted what CUPW is hiding..!!
Mystery
Asking for fair treatment of its employees.
CPC make a final offer and push it to a vote quit playing child hood games
The Labour Minister can force a vote if Canada Post does make a final offer. For all members who’ve lost hope in a settlement, please email the Minister and ask for the government to help. That may be our only way out of this mess.
Be quiet po4 you should offer wage freeze for increase for carriers.
A step backwards is accepting the same “stellar” management team, with a proven losing record, back at the helm of the company expecting a different outcome. They should be fired or if they had a conscience, resign.
Yup!
This 100%
The same can be said for your “Union Bosses”, they have no expertise in these matters, all of them came to that position via card carrying member status, no requirements for knowing the Labour Code, these people have not steered you the right direction, if CPC hierarchy needs to be “fired or resign” paint your bosses with the same brush.
CUPW, as you sad, we are 55 000 strong, you are making us 55 000 crippled people, you want to put us to the homeless union camp. As I many time sad, our union is a bunch of not smart, uneducated and stuped individuals, nobody is supporting you on the stupidity you present. Leave grass cutting, washroom cleaning, salt spraying business alone..take a responsibility for CPP current employees, we can not care for future employee’s, we are not sure we will be CPP employee tomorrow, we might be ex employee. Sober yourself guys, take any offers Canada post has one the table. Union is money, time, all resources wasters…you are standing only for protection lazi people from work, most of you are same as the workers you protect .
You’re exactly right.. No one supporting those Bozo’s except those that use the union to save their jobs because they’re lazy. The union protects the liabilities not the workers, and the workers need a union that respects them, not these neanderthals.. Time for change,time for unity against the bad, time to speak up and take back what’s ours..!! Out with CUPW
Well said. Bravo!
I agree, you guys have to be responsible. Why we so worried about the cleaners, the snow removal ect. Really?? Can we maybe focus on your member that are working now?? When things arise in the future battle them then. To hold us hostage for this foolishness is ridiculous. I will say again, all of those that did not want a strike but didn’t vote, I hope this is a lesson. Next time you have an opinion about the strike, go out and use your right to vote. Otherwise you can’t leave it up to everyone else and cry about the outcome.
Well, 8% lost annual pay working towards 10%.
Company is broke-cant give you what you ask for if they don’t have it. Tail does not wag the dog here.
BTW, Canada Post=Government for all you crying to the government for help.
Company is not broke and has no problem paying the 20 vice presidents a ludicrous wage PLUS maximum bonuses every year. The CEO makes more than the Prime Minister of Canada.
If the company is broke, why are executives still getting bonuses?
Also, if the company is broke, why do the financial statements show positive cash flow?
Company is broke and yet the VP’s and CEO’s can get hundreds and thousands of dollars in bonus cheques? How is that a company that’s broke?
I’m so glad my supervisors and their managers are watching their YouTube and video games from home for the last month 🥳
I guess it’s a slight upgrade from doing that at work!
LOL, I can promise you we don’t work 5/6 hours a day, get paid for 8 and cry about having to have a five minute meeting…….reality sucks I guess eh? Time to actually work the hours you are paid for
Haha so true
Plus, they still get paid by CPC for staying at home watching children’s Christmas favourites like “How the Grinch Stole Christmas” or my all- time “Scrooged” with Bill Murray. 🤭
They are also hoping you get 19% and cola
I’m hearing the wage increase is .2% from the original offer. What an embarrassment…
Stop spreading misinformation, please.
The union started too low to begin with, now the corporation sticking it to them, they’re not smart negotiators. I’d go in asking 50% over 4 years, we won’t get it but it’s a starting point, also the union told CPC they weren’t sure if it would be a 2 or 4 year contract, they should only be 4 year contracts. They’re playing games with us all at this point, we’re outside because of children.
The union isn’t doing right by us. At the end keeping a job with benefits like this is good vs sinking the company and then guess what noone will hire us. Forget getting benefits. Time to vote cupw out
Wrong side, Carlos. You’re buying into all the corporate lies. They have PLENTY of money.
Exactly!
plenty of money… and how??
Why, because you say so? Or because the elected-off-the-floor union reps with no financial knowledge or expertise say so? Funny how CPC’s financial statements have been saying this for the past 3 years but the union is only saying now that there’s lots of money. Sounds sus to me.
Funny how they have millions of dollars to invest in things that aren’t needed and able to pay their management millions in remuneration AND bonuses, but have nothing for the people that actually do the job!
Every big corporation is the same, make the financials look dire so the workers can’t possibly ask for more. It’s a game to them. They have plenty of assets and funds to end this strike.
You seem like a CUPW guy here. 😂
Let see what your so called proposal was then and we can decided who took the step back !
It would be several stepS back for CPC!
Why are you asking for more personal days? 17? These bums get 13 and use them up in the first 6 months ..they don’t appreciate them at all
Canadian law says 10 sick days for federal employees. Once again, CPC ignored law.
You already have 13. What’s the issue? They even offered to add them to the contract permanently. You had to keep putting your hand out though.
Am I missing something? The Labour Code says 10 sick days, and no personal days. With the company providing 13 personal days, the Labour Code requirement is more than met. A personal day can be used for any reason including being sick. It saves us the hassle of having to fake being sick to get a leave with pay. For those few that truly need more sick days on top of personal days, perhaps they can consider STDP instead.
We already had 7 days. Corp only had to give us 3 more, but gave us 6. Simple math 7+6=13. 13 is more than 10.
The Canada Labour Code provides 3 paid personal days and 10 paid medical days. The collective agreement has 7 paid personal days.
The 10 medical days were added to the law in 2022. Before that, the collective agreement had 4 more than the law required. The union is asking for 4 more than the law requires now for permanent employees, who are committed to work the whole year other than scheduled vacation.
As an on-call, my sole obligation is to accept 60% of work offers over any six-month period. I can take weeks off that regulars need 10 years seniority to get. I can take two months off if I want. Why shouldn’t permanent employees get a few more paid days than I do?
CPC complaining about financial loss and unionized cleaners?
C-suite suits and hundreds of general managers, district managers are taking Canadians to the cleaners annually with their fat cat wages and bonuses!
How exactly are Canadian’s being taken to the cleaners?
That is exactly what it is Canadians being taken to the cleaners.
Don’t worry.
Will be getting our $250 from the government soon.
Oh! That’s right. We’re on strike.
Too bad. No cheque in the mail anytime soon. 😏
Even if our taxes don’t subsidize that largesse, we are still the owners of the company. We are being taken to the cleaners in the same way as the shareholders of any corporation with incompetent management who lines their own pockets while reporting massive losses.
Wednesday folk, Wednesday. That only allows two weeks. Can I make a suggestion? I know we all need some money, but don’t take any overtime when we get back. Don’t help this company and just watch the supers deal with mental stress. Go home and enjoy your families
No o.t needed-no product to deal with
I am in need of overtime as is everyone else. You have given me something to seriously think about. It will work if we all follow this. The only way would be if CPC carries out its ridiculous overtime strategy.
I don’t need OT. We never got much with Dec blackout anyways.
What makes you think we would be offered overtime. The only mail and parcels to be delivered are sitting in the plant. Nobody in their right mind would mail anything if we go back tomorrow. We lost Christmas and all the wonderful blanket overtime that came with it. cPC will not bring us back till January 2. I woulnd’nt!
When we do finally go back, I’m sure most members will need ad much overtime as possible. You know, to make up for a whole month of lost wages?
Don’t worry about OT…Worry about having a job to go back too.And seriously do you think CPC cares if people take OT? Cheaper to pay temps!
What O/T are you talking about? There is only a few days mail in the plants across the country and nothing has been added. Nobody will mail anything until after Christmas even if CUPW goes back to work tomorrow.
Christmas for Canada Post and CUPW is lost this year.
Why would Canada Post bring CUPW back now? They can at least salvage some money by not paying employees for Christmas, Boxing Day and New Years day.
But everyone must have known this when a 95% strike vote was given. CUPW is on the picket line without any money because CUPW voted to do so!
After 2018 lost 3 billion. But still CPC guys getting bonus . What a joke
CANADA POST
very mature your playing that game i play with my 6year old…..copy cat. How pathetic can you be?
Union is just as bad, stop thinking they’re innocent, because your part of the profit you think they are..!! Grow up, CUPW not showing us anything but crying foul, we should see every offer and every FULL counter offer..!!
Union isn’t perfect, but they’re way better than management!
CUPW’s latest offer is on its website, including the specific wage demands. Why doesn’t CPC want to show its numbers? Does “above our previous offers” mean another whopping 1.5% over four years like between their first and second offers, when CUPW dropped by 6% over the first two years?
Under confidentiality agreements, neither party can show the other’s offer, but do blame CUPW for respecting that agreement when they can’t show us the offer that management doesn’t want to show us.
What is going on? Major stepbacks how??? What is in CP’s proposals? You’ve had no problems in the past notifying the media about our affairs before informing your own employees. This has been an utter embarrassment. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills here!
Asking for 10 “medical days” – be careful what you ask for. I’d be good with thirteen personal days, no questions asked.
Yes I agree. CUPW must back down on this demand. They’ve made a lot of other concessions though. The two sides are like children screaming “It’s all your fault” “No, it’s your fault” endlessly. Can they both grow up so we can get back to work?
we have ENOUGH personal days, good grief. no wonder we can’t get a contract, CUPW is NOT accurately representing their members. quit the social agenda and legacy…come back to reality.
Very rational reply, hope there is someone listening !
Note: the 6 no carry over PDs are NOT part of the collective agreement. Management released a memo saying they can revise it at anytime. The 10 sick days would be in the collective agreement.
The law requires 3 personal days and 10 medical days. The collective agreement provides for 7 personals days for permanent employees – 4 more than the law provided before the 10 medical days were added in 2022. In asking for the 10 new medical days to be added to the collective agreement, the union is simply asking for the same 4 days more than the law provides that was the case before.
I heard there are members of the Vancouver Local that still haven’t received their Strike pay. Also heard a few of the cheques bounced
Union has lots of money.
lol you sure the union has $
They borrowed last contract on a rotational
Useless union can’t do anything right, just like negotiations, failure after failure.. the only way back to work now is minister of labor because Canada Post is giving the union a taste of their own medicine now.. Sticks and stones..
What a shock. Cupw sticking it to the workers.remember my union brother,the strike is make Cupw executives richer and powerful..you just a sacrifice lamb.
Shame on you Canada Post.
Give into the postal workers’ demands.
Their last proposal is fair and reasonable.
There’s more to it than you think, the union not dropping the cleaners, SSD, Senior check ins, Postal Banking, snow removal, and other BS.. What they’ve showed us is reasonable, the corporation doesn’t want to give us 18 personal days let’s take the 13 and go back to work, but there’s more missing than what we’re being shown. When will CUPW be honest with us and show everyone the offers..? Ask yourself that..!!
No one is asking for 18 PDs. 10 sick days and 7 PD.
CUPW has shown their latest offer, It’s up to CPC to show their own.
Ask yourself why CPC doesn’t want to do that (knowing that CUPW can’t under confidentiality agreements.)
Make no mistake. Your employer hates you. That’s not an opinion. That’s a fact.
To date, they’ve only presented wage offers that pay you less than the industry standard wage (go open up a job board and see what UPS, Fedex, and Purolator offer for comparable work).
Want further proof? You need only look at your purchasing power and quality of life which has eroded, and deteriorated under this CEO and his management team. They’ve blown through all the corporations cash reserves with no consideration for you.
When you’re arbitrated back to work by the government with no deal (likely before the end of this week), be sure to let them know on your depot floors.
I’ve known and felt that way years ago. I’ve seen so many hard working employees quietly quit. Management doesn’t care and are incompetent. They don’t know how to manage or lead.
How many CUPW members are going to end up homeless because of this childish behaviour between the union and the employer? CUPW members were told to prepare for 2 weeks, yet here we are!
Yes, too bad so many members were tricked into voting ‘Yes’. This is the predictable result.
Cupw has their own hidden agenda
Not true. Union said prepare for at least 2 months. I would vote yes again to strike if there was another vote today.
CPC,
If you want to backtrack, you should all give back your bonuses that none of you deserve.
Stop screwing with everyone.
Stop with the cleaners and other staff that are not in the union. The job at hand is for union members.
Seriously… “continuing to demand that our facility cleaning staff and other contracted support services become permanent Canada Post employees”. These people are already employed. This is ridiculous.
No they are not employees. They work for cleaning companies who are contracted by Canada Post. There are hundreds of different cleaning contractors across Canada. It’s not just one company. But yes CUPW should drop the silly demand to make these people part of the union. Concentrate on helping actual dues-paying members. There are 55,000 of us and we want to get back to work!
I didn’t say they are employees. I said they are already employed. They are employed by the companies CPC has contracts with. This should not even be on the list of asks.
I didn’t say they are employees. I said they are already employed. They are employed by the companies CPC has contracts with.
So they are maintaining alot of things? We already have 7 weeks for senior staff. We already have a pension. Did they drop the 50-50 BS for benefits after 2026? We already have the 13 days. We already have the no layoff clause. Sounds like the only thing they are offering new is a raise way below what we should be at. This is crap in a can.
Must be nice to have 7 weeks.
Oh stop…we worked our way up to 7 weeks. Not looking good for you getting there!
I have 38 years in.
CPC has not dropped the 50-50 cost split for extended medical post 2026 when retiring after 15 years service. Take note that the 6 no carry over PDs are NOT part of the collective agreement, and management issued a memo saying they can revise this at any time.
cPC has CUPW by the balls. We will not be back before Christmas. CPC has no reason now to bring us back. If we are luck, maybe January. I would not bring us back just in time to pay us for Christmas.
Liars
I hear that in BC the Socio economic cheques will not be processed or delivered because the Vancouver Local President said its local membership overwhelmingly said they didn’t want to deliver them. I find it appalling that they take it out on the most vulnerable at this time. Yet the rest of the country the Union is delivering them because of an agreement that was signed by both parties that the delivery of the cheques would not be affected. Excellent job Vancouver CUPW Local and their president. Hope your stockings are filled with coal this year.
When the two parties signed the agreement to deliver checks I believe it included Vancouver as well ,unless there was that earthquake that they predicted and Vancouver is no longer part of Canada.
are you absolutely sure about that??? how could you possibly have your finger on the pulse of all locals, all across the country??
Not true! Cheques are being delivered.
Not from the notice that was being passed out yesterday
It’s too bad we cannot post the notice on here for everyone to see. The Vancouver President didn’t even want to post it on the local website.
I take back my words about CUPW as the guilty side of the work stoppage.
The culprit is 1000% CPC.
Enjoy your wagu steak and Champagne at your Annal Christmas parties.
You deserve to eat 💩
👍😃
Each side is saying that the other side is doing a step backwards. Hope they are stepping back in a circle so they could eventually meet again. Silly but that’s all I got. lost ALL hope.
Cupw, stop being so stubborn and accept the company’s offer unconditionally.
You’ve only made the poor employees financially difficult,
and what have you done for the past 4 weeks?
Negotiation is about making concessions little by little, but Cupw is
a stubborn and selfish group.
CPC has been in deficit for 6 consecutive years. The union is making ridiculous wage increases, excessive personal days, regularizing external employees, and such stupid claims.
Lastly,
if CPC goes bankrupt, will the union still exist?
No to accepting CPC offer.
If CPC goes bankrupt, will executives still get their bonuses?
Before 10 medical days were added to the Canada Labour Code, permanent employyes had 4 paid leave more than the law required. That’s what CUPW is asking now. CPC is “offering” to give the minimum required by law. Exactly what sort of concession is that?
Agreed that they make concessions little by little, the emphasis on the little Between their respective first and second offers, CUPW dropped wage increases by 6% in the first two years, while CPC went up 1.5% over four years.
CUPW has given the number for its latest offer. CPC doesn’t want to reveal theirs. Why?
After years of dedicating my life to working at Clown Corporation, where I believed in the promise of my work and its value to the public, I now regretfully see the truly horrific, heartless, and barbaric face of upper management. As for the supervisors who still retain a shred of humanity—
The rest shame on you.
CPC is a liar liar pants on fire. Where is the transparency of your make believe “offer”?
CPC executives and negotiators———>LIARS
Wages are 10 years outdated and route lengths are destroying us.
We are asking the absolute bare minimum and this corporation tells us it’s the “wrong direction”. Insulting.
I will go work for DHL if this offer is not accepted.
If you really want to feel disappointed Canada Post,switch roles with your delivery agents.lol Disgusting how unwilling you are to actually treat ” the face of your company” well. I can’t even afford an apartment on my ” kushy” salary. Not to mention maintaining a vehicle at higher than legally required regulations. All these losses u are reporting but yet say nothing about the hundreds of millions spent on two new processing plants. If the future is so bleak why invest over 600 million dollars? Why keep hiring more supervisors? I’ve honestly stopped opening any mail from you guys since it’s nothing but this brain washing depressing information. Maybe you all should refuse your bonuses if the company is in that much trouble
The union came down with their demands as we can all see.. You seem to be who is not budging.
The union now has zero leverage. By holding the Canadian public hostage and going on strike during the busiest time of the year the union made a big mistake. Black Friday revenues were lost and Christmas is now done as well. Why would Canada Post make any concessions at this point. It is too late for cupw.
Forced out by CPC…there, fixed it for you. This is all a big joke to the corporation. They don’t care one iota about its workers or its customers. The management of this company is a joke and will destroy Canada Post.
Well one of the reasons they would make concessions is cuz they were told to by the special mediator and the labor Minister. But you’re very well right because they may not care about that.
Stop being 🫏🕳️🕳️🕳️, CPC.
You guys need just accept the proposed offer.
CUPW’s offer is more than fair.
The Union should stop it and close the deal whatever offers Canada Post. Enough is enough. The Company has loss for many years , why the Union is asking for more demand? It does not make sense. If the company has a profit, it is a different story. We need to get back to work as soon as possible. We, employees ( no salary for almost 4 weeks ) need to do something for CUPW to close the deal right away. What are your opinions? What should we do now?
Trim the fat from the top ✔️
“Trim the fat from the top ”
Likely to come. But first, if delivery employees only work 4 hrs a day and get paid 8, only need half of them. Maybe that’s why talks aren’t transparent.
Means = Take the contractors out and deal is done. YAYY!!!!
The contractor request is asinine.
I don’t get it. How can CUPWs current offer be a ‘step backwards’ for Canada Post. It seemed as if the union has modified their demands. Surely this is a step forward. It almost seems as if when one side wants an agreement, the other has to completely reject it on principle. Binding arbitration may be the only path out of this disaster!
Can the membership see the complete official offer please?
Exactly, I find it hard to believe that was the full proposal they decided to share.
It’s not the full proposal, it’s only what CUPW wants us to see. Thirteen days off is plenty, yet we want more. And this nonsense about cleaners and contractors is ludicrous; interesting CUPW left that out of the update on their website.
Agree
Canada post is a bully that is hurting a lot of people
Then find another job! You should never work for a company you despise. This is Canada, you are free to move from job to job!
Oh, that’s a brilliant response. “Go from one oppressive corporation to another and just take what they give you”. Absolutely brilliant! 🙄🙄🙄
This is Canada, true but in the 21st century not 19th century.
Reveal the details of your offer like CUPW has.
This is exactly what the union said about managements offer in Friday.
Word for word.
You’re children. People depend on you. Grow up and make a deal.
Great catch.. incredible
I know it seems like deja vu. Which group of unprofessional negotiators can have the last word.
100%
Show us your complete offer like you have done previously. If it wasn’t a problem to do so previously, why the heck is it now?
Because CPC is lying to you. They have barely budged and took a step backwards last week. FIGHT!!!!!
At least think up something new to say. The union already said that about CPC’s offer. Are there truly no ideas in this entire corporation?
How is this a step backwards, when there are movements on SSD, and 5% on wages.
Hopefully all the new employees are taking note of this employer….
What they aren’t taking note of, is your sacrifice for their benefit. They don’t care and you are all out for weeks.
So RTW when? Members are actually okay with 16%
So utterly ashamed to be working for this company right now.
Agreed, I’m embarrassed to be an employee right now
Me too
You can get over it, or get out of it.
You’re saying you’re proud to work for this corporation?? Enjoying this are you? They’ve lied continuously to the public AND you and I, while padding the pockets of all the execs. And you’re ok with that?? How?
Same.
Funny you cry about money now but for the last 5 years paid all your managers and supervisors and above nice bonuses. In a company crying about money that is not a financial responsibility. And why not lay off supervisors and increase their workloads by 5 carriers each lay off 4000 save multi millions and no more bonuses paid to those gone
Huh? A step back? What is Canada Post talking about? The union offer is great and really fair. SSD needs to go and wage offer is totally reasonable its even lower than it should be. Why does Canada Post insist on being so ignorant of their workers and customers.
Ssd is here to stay get over it already They won’t backtrack They can run the company as they see fit It’s even in our contracts jeez
Seems like you have no idea what’s going on here. We don’t have a contract! CPC terminated it November 12th. They are bullying all of us and you’re taking it and saying “please some more”.
After you walked out actually Bob. 8 hours after to be exact.
Wrong. November 12th CUPW issued strike notice, saying we WOULDN’T walk if talks continued.
8 hours later Canada Post sent a lock out notice, meaning they had no desire to negotiate.
This effectively terminated our contract. It was only official on the 15th. CPC forced us out because we wouldn’t work without protections, and they knew that.
Because you served notice… You make it sound like that wasn’t an aggressive act. Saying that you were only going to do some rotating is laughable and useless. When you play the game, you play the game
Oh boy, this is not going according to plan. That’s what happens when you make ludicrous demands and call it bargaining
Cp projecting their backtracking onto others…they lie!!!!
I’m not sure why the union keeps wanting 10 medical days in addition to the 7 personal days. We currently have 13 personal days with no questions asked. These medical days will come with restrictions, and could lead to dismissal if they are abused. In my 20+ years with Canada Post, I have yet had the need to use no more than 5 days because I was actually sick. I would rather had 13 personal days than have (10 medical + 7 personal)
I agree with your point. Canada Post’s current offer of 13 paid personal days is enough. The union did move quite a lot on other demands though. I guess we’ll have to wait for Canada Post’s response, and lose another day of pay. Is it possible for both sides to keep working until there’s an agreement?
It’s not a “offer” when it’s the minimum required by law.
Everyone I have spoke wants to keep the 13 days. Also they wanna stay LC or PO4, they don’t wanna be cleaners or remove snow. Like wtf
They can simply just call in. Who gives a shit about personal life? Imo 7 days paid 5 days med are decent. Above that is greediness.
The Canada Labour Code requires 10 paid medical days in addition to 3 paid personal days. An employer can only require a medical certificate for 5 or more consecutive days of medical leave. So unless you’re planning to use personal days to take a full week’s vacation, 17>13.
Let’s see your latest offer so we can decide who actually took a step backwards
Take the deal.
No, they haven’t.
Stop with the lies CPC.
They took out the portion about cleaners and snow clearance contractors.
You will be forced to take the deal as soon as the government intervenes.
Enjoy you bonus for lying to the media and hurting Canadians.
The only thing backwards is Canada Post executives.
The union dropped from 24 to 19. Dropped no to weekends and a 20 hr part time ppl. Dropped full demand on ssd to routes that are foot won’t be ssd and you call that a step backwards.
It’s not funny
Both parties are to be blamed for this ………….
You are playing with people lives here and public servis
If you can’t do the job pls resign
Major step backwards? Because you aren’t able to bully your way into rollbacks as easily as you have in previous “negotiations”?
It’s amazing how now, you are so quick to respond to the media about how disappointed you are, and are desperate to have us agree to rollbacks immediately, whereas you were perfectly fine
dragging your heels for a year.
I think CUPW counter offer was decent, except for those 10 medical days… also CUPW needs to stop with their obsession in including Cleaners and other services into CPC, doesn’t do good to negotiations!
I’ve heard from some higher up union members that the majority of our union money goes to things like taking insurance companies to court as they have so so often denied STDP claims, even after being approved for LTD!!
Apparently it’s crazy costly.
So going back to having some sick days that bank, how it used to be, we can use those days up, at full pay, and not have to deal with so much insurance company hassle.
The Ford government tried to cap teachers at 1%. They eventually had to pay the teacher real raises . Bring on the arbitrator
The 10 medical days are mandates by Law. CPC needs to follow the law.
Do some research and find out that you already have 13 days..,you know, inform yourself
The issues of the cleaners and other contracted staff is not part of the demands. The Corporation is not being completely truthful. Shocker, I know!
You know this because ……. you were at the negotiating table?
Please tell us what the “complete truth” is?
We have the time, let’s all get informed, please sit down and write us the details.
I totally agree I carry over personal time every year…stop trying to be Ribin Hood we can’t save everybody the cleaners have an employer already..
I am starting to see who is being reasonable and who is not.
LIARS!!
You will fall and you will take a nation with you! Well done.
Are we almost at a contract. Come
On already.
Take the deal. Canadians and businesses need their mail.
Ummm… no. We need a good deal or we stay out. There is no cpc without its main workforce. Hard to be an exec with bonuses if no one is working for you.
Nothing to come back too. Massive layoffs incoming
Great plan bro, then what happens? I’ll finish the scenario for you. The executive team goes off to other jobs, paying more and you get to join the cleaning crew that you fought for.
Maintaining 13 personal days? We used to get 15 and we could bank them. Cpc was better off. Our average absences were 7. People retired with 400 unused days sometimes.
I can’t imagine us being on picket lines for Christmas. This will be a major blow for government and Canada as a country.
So latest day is next Monday that we are back one way or another