Comprehensive list of employee emails forwarded to CIRB to prep for the vote
July 8, 2025, 04:03 pm
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Thank you to all CUPW-represented employees for updating or confirming your emails, as requested by the Canada Industrial Relations Board (CIRB). These emails will be used by the CIRB to forward information for the upcoming confidential vote. The CIRB requested that employees take this important initial step and participation was extremely high. We would also like to thank employees for the feedback provided using the support tool on the verification website as it helped implement quick adjustments that improved the process for all employees.
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CUPW requested extension for email verification, saying that members are still struggling to complete that process. CUPW is always complaining and finding reasons to linger on the whole process, actually having fear of loosing their existence. It’s not that much hard to complete the email verification process, should get someone’s help if someone is not that much familiar to do so.
Same thing is happening with SAP access. CPC has already informed that IT Department is upgrading the system and maintenance is going on. Little change in login method to make it more secure. We should understand the situation and read everything posted by CPC regarding system upgradation i.e steps to Login the system.
For the first two days, the email verification process sent verification codes with no place to enter them. They replaced that with a verification link that worked for most people, but many were still not able to verify their email, and the function to update email addresses did not work for many.
The CIRB determined a reasonable number of days for people to verify their email, which presumably took into account that even without glitches, 55,000 people trying to do something would overload servers and cause delays at times.
At least two of those days were lost to the glitches, which means we had two days less than the reasonable time determined by the CIRB and many were not able to complete the process.
So yes, CUPW is going to complain when members are disenfranchised. On the upside, if the number of workers unable to vote exceed the margin in the case of a yes vote, contesting the result in court will be a slam dunk.
If the CIRB and the Minister want a free and fair vote that produces a result that cannot be overturned, wouldn’t they err on the side of caution and replace the lost days? Wouldn’t they also appoint an independent auditing firm to oversee and vet the entire process?
You should do more comments, you know what you’re knowledgeable and make sense. Thank you.
CUPW happy to drag this out since everyone is getting paid, except the company. Crazy logic, but here we are. Pretending that people can’t figure it out is not a good look for the membership. It can’t last…
So what’s your point besides absolutely nothing?
Heres how I see it, Macro, CP has about $500 million Left, Plus some Asset Sales synergies. CUPW believes CP should be subsidized BAD timing , Canada blew through a lot of money and its time to pay the Piper. CP getting another handout Who Knows, I’m Taking the $1000.
Given that neither negotiations nor arbitration will result in a lower increase than the employer’s best offer and may result in a higher one, you might want to do the math on that.
The retro on an extra 1% in the first year would exceed the signing bonus in September, which is the earliest the bonus would be paid anyways.
The Best offer will not be higher than what CPC is offering, CUPW is a bunch of lazy useless clowns that had more than enough time to get it right. Arbitration never ends well and CUPW is the worst union out of all unions to drag us on and on.. It will be worse if offer not accepted, it’s happened in the past
Except it didn’t in 2018. CUPW got a better contract from arbitration than CPC’s final offer, and without rollbacks.
The best offer IS what CPC is offering. The point you missed is that neither arbitration nor negotiations will result in a collective agreement worse than that best offer.
Thats the spirit. Take what you can and screw everybody and everything else. What goes around comes around. Enjoy when karma cateches up to you
In what world can you work 4 hours or less and get paid for 8? This is just common sense if you’re running a business. CUPW needs to understand this. Letter carriers unfortunately need to understand this as well.
Where is that still happening to extent that you are trying to make others believe that it is? Stop with sensationalism hype lies Mr Supervisor
mail volumes are so lw i would be surprised if anyone is working late. im in everyday and the volume is LOW
I ran into an old colleague in the parking lot of a station three weeks ago who was literally getting into his car at 11:30 am to head home for the day. It still happens, don’t pretend that it doesn’t.
Its not “sensationalism hype” its the truth plus pick up ot to boot all within an 8 hour time frame.Was happening up until recently.No one runs a business like that
Hahaha it’s not 4 that I’m working for my 8 it’s actually 4.5 and they have allowed me to do this for 4 years! No one cares
i worked 320 hours OT last year and never ever worked past 4:00 ever.
It’s been happening for years, nice try try to cover it up. A CUPW rep also admitted at the plant they work 6 hours a day and don’t want the additional 2 hours to work 8 hours a day. You must be a useless PO4 or a lazy carrier because alot of carriers even after PT finished in 4 hours never over 6.. Supervisors don’t work 6 hours a day, most carriers do and that’s a fact and I’ve seen over many many restructures. Times have changed and we must do better, that means you blaming supervisors for carriers running shows you worship the CUPW goons. We’re voting YES, CUPW has done enough damage with their lies..
The question is, how? Is it achieved while following the policy guidelines? Has the carrier made an honest attempt to deliver all mail and parcels. The reason that this has become an issue is because the Supervisors are not mandated to monitor and administer discipline in accordance to the conduct. The Corporation has not done their due diligence with following up the Customer complaints and ensuring that the employee is compliant. Somewhere along the line the Corporation has dropped the ball on this one.
In what world can you work four hours, get paid for eight hours, then go back to the Depot to get additional work and be paid overtime for it?
Ever heard of assigned time values? Agreed to by both parties in past negotiations. Just like piece work it was meant to increase efficiency. It was not designed for executives to gorge at the trough with humongous bonuses and uncontrolled spending sprees
We do.
Let’s vote be done asap. Both corporation and union are selfish, they dnt care about small businesses and family of members for 19months. Lets this vote be done, if a yes and no wins. Let’s move forward to the nxt steps. Too much delaying
I cannot wait until we decertify CUPW. It’s been a long time coming.
Talking in here won’t get it done pal. You need a lot of signatures. Zero push for this right now.
Are you sure about this?
Make sure you let us know when you start the process.
WHAT IS GOING ON WITH SAP???
Has it been hacked?
does anyone know
Third party company got involved upgrading sap and people still having issues.. Some people have had success logging into sap from a home computer with a good browser..
Just read the unions top ten reasons to vote no. Sorry, sad excuse not even close to convincing me. I will vote yes and wait patiently for my signing bonus and back pay instead of trying to be a hero and being locked out with a no vote.
You forgot the other 699 pages of merciless attacks on your job being lined up with a yes vote. Enjoy your $600ish after tax signing bribe
Merciless attacks? Calm down…there are no attacks
Its coming. You don’t see it yet. Once that door cracks open thats it. They have 1000 dollar bribe to keep you all doe eyed in one hand and the dagger for your back in the other
You are right on top of it. That ten reasons notice was printed June 13th. By the time you get caught up it will be all over. By the way, the deadline for registering your e mail was July 7th. This year.
Also supervision are not allowed to vote.
Vote NO.
As you wait for that bribe, keep in mind that neither negotiation nor arbitration will result in a lower increase than the employer’s best offer, and could provide a higher one. If we get just 1% more in the first year, the retro on that exceeds the signing bonus by September – which is the earliest the bribe would be paid anyways.
As for a lockout, not sure if it would be politically convenient for a government that forced a vote on the premise of giving workers a choice to have a crown corporation punish workers for making a choice the CEO doesn’t like. And of course there’s the optics of a postal service so essential that they ended a legal strike by ministerial edict, only to have it shut itself down.
Still voting no, unless Canada Post gives a better deal than what we are voting for.
Right now the SSD routes in my depot are horrible and injury/ stress inducing.
Anymore inclusions of dynamic routing will hurt us letter carriers more.
Yes, you might actually have to work a full eight hour shift, shocking.
They’ll continue to do 8 hours of work per shift, which is 7 more than the soups.
You Homer Flintstones get this through your thick skulls. You are voting on the offer either YES or NO. You are not voting to kick out CUPW or how you feel about your fellow worker. Not happened 40 yrs ago or even yesterday. Just the offer. Forget about everything else ,don’t be pushed around by anyone or what you read.
100% No
I will take a buyout as long as I get to work full-time with full benefits. And overtime.
Have you read the offer or the plans for 2028 (in the corp’s submission to Kaplan)?
Forget about full-time work. The corp wants to go to part-time and gig work for weekend deliveries – this time; if they get it, in 2028 that will be expanded to weekday work. Forget about full benefits. They’re not touching them this time, but they have made clear their plans to in 2028.
You can probably still count on overtime though – it’s a natural function of chronic under-staffing.
For starters, every contract, the corporation offers you the worst offer possible. So that you can negotiate to the middle.. At the beginning of all negotiations, cup w insists no rollbacks. If you want to make advances on other benefits, you actually have to give something up to get them. That’s the real world, not cup w’s world
So what you’re saying is you want the forced vote to be on the worst offer possible? Or are you saying that the forced vote is what you claim is the middle?
If by “buyout” you mean the signing bonus, you might want to think that through a bit.
We will not get a worse deal than the one on the table through negotiations or arbitration, and we may get a better one (as was the case for 2018). If we get just 1% more in the first year, the retro on that will surpass the signing bonus for most employees by September, which is the earliest the signing bonus would be paid.
If by “buyout” you mean an actual buyout of the corporation (i.e. privatization). forget full-time work, full benefits, and overtime. Save yourself the time and just go work for Amazon now.
Yup. Vote no for a better contract.
Awww it’s so precious you think voting no wil get you a better contract. If the vote is no, it will likely go to arbitration. The workers never win with arbitration.
History says otherwise; the worst that happens in arbitration is they impose the same offer. In 2018 after the corp lowered its wage offer, the arbitrator settled on their best offer – and gave an additional increase to compensate for the 2011 legislation (not arbitration) that did go below the best offer.
And we made some gains in the 2018 arbitration on other issues, like restoring pay increases for on-calls.
To those of us with little or no seniority, don’t worry, canada post just handed you thirteen personal days.You can take half the month of july off and nobody got a bat eye..
Canada Post did nothing of the sort. There are 3 paid personal and 10 paid medical days in the Canada Labour Code. Every federally-regulated employee gets those 13 paid days, unionized or not.
And no, you can’t take half the month of July unless you spread it out; 5 or more consecutive medical days require a medical certificate.
Who is gonna stop you from booking All 13?, this is a common practice in the plant. I work at I don’t know about where you’re working. But they are personal days. However you want to word it It’s time off, that’s paid… Canada life can ask you for medical note, but no supervisor in my plant has ever asked anybody for a doctor’s note
First off if someone is stupid enough to blow 13 in a row then have nothing left when actually sick or needed thats on them. Secondly if supers not asking for doctors note whose fault is that? This company has more than enough blame resting squarely in them for this mess they put us ALL in
Canada Life has nothing to do with approving personalémedical days, which apply to all employees by law. CL manages short-term disability for regular employees.
Whether the employer chooses to ask for a medical certificate for five or more consecutive days, they are entitled to by law.
Those 10 were never guaranteed to be there next year. You had 7 and they gave you 6 more.
More management fear mongering. 13 is guaranteed by legislation.
If yes wins will Cupw go to Kangaroo Court and get an injection to say the vote was fixes. If NO wins will Cupw executives get an extra week vacation in Cuba?
I always wonder how much do they pay for the court cases.
Not sure the ‘independent’ CIRB that that is bound to implement directive from the Minister who seems to answer to the CEO has the authority to issue injunctions.
If there is a yes vote in a process with no independent oversight, this will be fought in the real courts, which don’t answer to the CEO, the Minister, or the CIRB.
Meow!
VOTE YES because in 2 years you need to be ready they are coming for everything! Start saving up
Vote yes and it will encourage them to keep coming for more cuts. You cannot appease a bully, and Canada Post management is full of them!
Cuts are all across the country in Healthcare, Education, you name it its there…so why would anyone for one second think itll never happen in the land of glorified paper boys and inside workers who need help if they have a mono of parcels to put on the belt?
Nice way of thinking about us, boss!
At this point we still have a chance of voting against it, why would anyone not fight if given the opportunity instead of folding up like a cheap suit suoervisor as you are and would
They always come for everything and focus on 1 thing, usually pull everything else off the table IE. keep DB for new hires, keep all leave the same for all employees, post retirement etc what Id like to see in an increase in our benefit limit coverage.. + boot and glove allowance it’s been the same for all 33 yrs that I’ve been there.
A yes vote smooths the way for them coming for everything in 2028. A no vote puts a speed bump on their road to ruin.
The following are words written by CP management on their future plans that will be infinitely easier for them if a “yes” vote wins;
– “Facilitating an increased ability for Canada Post to right-size its workforce.”
Translation – layoffs and firings (but that could never happen to you, right??)
– “Moderate wage increases to better align the productive hourly rates payable to employees in the CUPW bargaining units with those of Canada Post’s key unionized competitors.”
Translation – lower, if any, future increases, especially if they get their union-busting way where they can legally decrease your wages.
– “Controlling the costs associated with overtime, including removing the double time overtime rate”
Translation – you will NEVER get overtime pay again! The bulk of the workforce will be part-time and flex. (Gig work)
– “Reducing its pension plan volatility and liability by transitioning to a defined contribution plan on a go-forward basis.”
Translation – either you will pay more for your pension (less take home every pay) or you will pay much less for your pension and receive waaaaay less when you retire.
If the “yes” votes win, they will not be punishing CUPW like so many of you want to do, they will be punishing YOU! How can anyone not see this?? Canada Post has detailed this out in their future plans, they’re not even hiding it. How could you vote for people to lose their job??? That job could very likely be yours.
The only prudent vote is NO!
Vote NO and on to arbitration with the same outcome as a YES vote except right now with a YES vote you get a bonus and a piece of mind to plan ahead!
You must be a member of cupw executive, no one else could twist words like that. The next contract is two and a half years away . Canada post needs to downsize its workforce, if there are no new hires to replace retired workers in the next two and a half years no one has lost a job. If attrition continues, workforce can be downsized.Not sure how you translated moderate increase in wage to a decrease in wage, maybe that’s cupw math.No one will have to worry about overtime if there is a no vote because there won’t be any mail to deliver.And again not sure how you translated transitioning to a dc pension for new hires will have any effect on people already hired on db plan. If you want to vote no to protect people not even hired yet go ahead, I will vote yes to keep what we have now.
I wish more there were more people like you who actually understood what’s truly at stake here. These whiners wanting to vote yes just to spite the union have no clue how badly cpc is preparing to launch an all out attack on its employees
Either YES OR NO Vote CPC will do whatever it takes for the corporation to survive and your dead union can’t do anything is about time we vote the union out. CPC is the employer not the union and the employer always have the final word trust me
The Union thinks otherwise. They think their ideas are what should be implemented to make this company successful, like contracting in cleaning staff and snow removal, charging stations, social hubs and senior check-ins; all very profitable lines of business.
Have another! Imagine having the similar structure as your competitors, who are mostly union by the way. Even non union FedEx is paid well. Stop the fear mongering with your out of touch snippets
Your right. However… cpc is not the only courier on the block anymore. And the monopoly is long gone. These changes have to be made to remain competitive. If you sell a loaf of bread for $10 and the store down the street sells it for $3, where will the people go to buy? And if you have to sell your bread at $10 just to meet costs, well, youre not gonna stay open very long. Thats the reality cpc faces. Voting no and thinking arbitration will get you more is not written in stone.
We shouldn’t be competing. We’re a service to Canadians, not a business. If the federal government wants us to compete, remove the mandates to serve all Canadians.
If they remove the mandate, we’re done. The majority of Canadians don’t need mail delivery, period. The two pieces of letter mail I receive each week only arrive because I refuse to sign up for online statements, I think of it as job security. Most people would have no issue with twice a week delivery.
It’s not just letter mail. The mandate applies to parcels too. No one else wants to deliver outside large metropolitan areas.
You don’t understand how the union has hurt the business for Canadians. The strike during Christmas did severe damage to Charities, Businesses and Canadians as well as costing us 5 weeks of pay, you’re delusional and if you owned a business it would close down. Technology changes and you lazy employees make us workers have to work harder because you’re useless and a whiner. If the company doesn’t change to compete, we will lose everything. You and CUPW are epic failures, job cuts are coming courtesy of CUPW and people that support them. I hope you have no seniority and lose your job so someone grateful to have a job replaces you all. You and the time wasters called CUPW think we’re in the 80’s, the unions last accomplishment was in 1981 and does nothing for me and many others, we’re better off without you and bozos that support a union that has done for the membership, so keep swallowing CUPW propaganda that they feed you, no one cares, We’re Voting YES
I concur. Voting no.
And if “no” vote wins, we won’t have a job to go to.
I believe this.
A lot of people don’t like the job and bring everyone down with their attitude and comments. They all should be fired and then people who want to work in peace can. CUPW sucks helping out these losers Yes yes to firing them all. Clean house I’ll work gladly in a nice environment with others that enjoy the job. Just show up stop complaining about everything wrong with the company. Look 👀 at what your job is. Not what management do or receive
100% true. The slackers are CUPW biggest fans. Can’t wait to see them walked out the door. They ruin a great job and cost us business!
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Runners ruin our job. Management let it go, ruin our job.
“Facilitating an increased ability for Canada Post to right-size its workforce.”
Translation – layoffs and firings (but that could never happen to you, right??)
Welcome to life. It’s astonishing that CUPW thinks their members deserve jobs for life. Canada Post offers a service and if no one wants that service, how will CUPW members be paid?
Here’s something for all CUPW members to contemplate. I recently asked a CUPW executive if they could answer a question of mine. The question being if the membership voted no to this last offer and it went to arbitration would we not get a worse contract like our previous contract?
They refused to answer my question and by the way we did end up settling for a worse deal on our last contract, this is fact. As far as I’m concerned CUPW are nothing more than a bunch of socialist communists.
One more thing, I applaud the Corporation for giving us the opportunity to vote electronically. This will allow the vote to be fair and transparent.
We did not get a worse deal than the employer’s best offer in the last contract, and the arbitrator even threw in an additional wage increase to compensate for the 2011 legislation (not arbitration) that did give increases below the best offer.
Arbitrators take the two sides’ respective positions as their range; they will not give less than what is offered nor more than what is asked. The worst deal we get through arbitration is the one we’re voting on.
I also appreciate being able to vote electronically, but that does not guarantee that it will be fair and transparent, as the government has chosen not to appoint an independent auditing firm to oversee and vet the process. There are many good reasons to do so, and only one reason not to.
Yeah a .4% more increase. HUGE!
In 2018, CPC rolled back its best offer by 0.5% prior to arbitration, which the arbitrator rejected by imposing the best offer.
Additionally, the 2018 arbitrator added another 0.5% to compensate for the 2011 legislation that had imposed an increase 0.5% less than the best offer.
0.5%+0.5%=1%, which is what we gained by going to arbitration in 2018 instead of accepting CPC`s final offer.
The bottom line remains that whether or not we do better in negotiations or arbitration than CPC`s best offer, we can`t do any worse.
This message is brought to you by CPC
A fair and transparent attack on good full time jobs. Wake up from your dream land delusion
I like the idea of actually given the opportunity to vote and not let the corrupt CUPW executives that I didn’t vote for decide on my behalf.
It doesn’t matter how we vote, either way CUPW will automatically increase are union dues so the can enjoy more free trips around the world and support more commie socialist causes that I am against.
Everybody should just vote to show how many more people care to vote on this contract as compared to CUPW elections that get only 30% of the membership to vote to be deemed valid.
100% well said, CUPW won’t answer anything we ask yet want us to OBEY them, no thanks CUPW, I’m voting Yes also as well as many others, not the 3 people who constantly make No posts on this page.. It’s killing CUPW they don’t know who we are, they’ve already bullied people on their no vote, just imagine the threats here they would make.. hahahaha I love they come here and read the comments that post facts about their corruption and the clowns that deny it because they’re told too.. Yes Yes Yes
I’ll answer your question.
The answer is NO!.
You will NOT get a worse deal through arbitration, and that’s because of several factors.
1) The Union will be asking for more of a pay increase than what Canada Post has offered.
The MINIMUM pay increase that an arbitrator will award is what Canada Post offered.
2) Since CUPW had NO CHOICE but to go on strike back in November due to CP issuing a lockout notice, and the Federal Government ordering back to work legislation, reinstating the terms of the expired contract, CUPW will demand being paid for the duration of the strike, simply because the contract was reinstated.
3) The Arbitrator will not be making any drastic changes from what was in the previous agreement.
1) What else will CUPW be asking for? They hid their agenda from members when we went on strike, nobody knew about their Justice for Janitors campaign…what’s their agenda now?
2) CUPW gave the 72 hours notice to strike, CPC then gave their 72 hours notice to lockout. CUPW went first. The will be no pay for the strike, no matter what CUPW demands.
3) When has the government ever ordered an internal review and forced a vote on a contract? An arbitrator will hear from both parties, both will present arguments with their offers. Don’t be so sure that an arbitrator won’t make any drastic changes to the previous agreement, this negotiation process is nothing like any in the past.
We got more than management’s final offer in 2018.
In fairness that question can only be answered when that time actually comes. Having said that, this offer is so underwhelming and attacking in nature I dont see doing much worse. In fact I would hope the more combative aspects of this offer would be downscaled.
It’s great commenting with my fellow brothers and sisters from Burnaby,BC to Gander NL. What other job allows such a connection. Woo.
I am 100% certain of how I’m gonna vote . I’m just not sure who to vote for.
Yehey!
Comprehensive list of employee emails sent to CIRB to prepare for the vote. Also comprehensive list of Cupw executives going to Cuba sent to CIRB.
Fake Cuba guy!
Exactly, preparing for their trip and having zoom meetings from Cuba claiming they’re working for the membership.. Bunch of hosers.. Let’s vote Yes so they know the party is over..
Thanks Canada Post for bringing democracy to us.
It’s the first time in history CUPW members have had a fair and democratic election.
“Thanks Canada Post for bringing democracy to us.”
That you thank Canada Post and not the Minister who ordered the vote speaks volumes to the imbalances in the process. How is the employer being directly involved in the process fair or democratic?
If the Minister truly wanted it to be fair and democratic, why hasn’t she named an independent auditing firm to oversee and vet the process? There are a number of good reasons to do so. There is only one reason she hasn’t.
Sure… Canada Post management has employee’s email, ID number, and birthdate. All they need to do is setup a bogus online email account and presto! They can fake votes on behalf of employees.
Democracy always existed in CUPW but you must participate in monthly meetings to know that!
Voting yes cause arbitration will be worse!! CUPW is the worst union out there. So out of touch with reality
Arbitration has not resulted in a worse deal than the employer’s best offer in the past, and it will not this time. The arbitrator’s job is to take the two sides’ positions and make decisions within that range. The worst deal we get through arbitration is the one that we’re voting on.
How can you be sure?
Arbitration was better than 2018 final offer, and with no roll backs.
You will lose everything with a no vote! Without customers there is no future! A yes vote is a 4 year opportunity to regain faith and trust back from Canadians! Your lives will improve after losing $5,000 in the last strike! Not to mention a descent standard of living! The last time I checked the only jobs outside the walls of your Depot are in the Food Industry! Don’t allow the Union to destroy your livelihoods and force Canada Post into potential Privatization or God Forbid: Bankruptcy!
Do you really think voting yes would alter any of that? You’re dreaming. We’re screwed either way. At least voting no gives us somewhat of a fighting chance
Let’s put cupw to rest people with a strong yes and send a message to them and thank them for wasting 18 months of nothing
In those 18 months, how many times did each party walk away from the table? When one party refuses to negotiate, wouldn’t that drag things on and be the cause of the time wasted?
Yes. We need a Yes vote to turn this ship around.
Giving an incompetent captain a pat on the back does not turn a ship around; it encourages them to continue full speed ahead towards running aground.
Exactly 💯
Nah. Put CPC management to rest with a resounding no vote. Change should starts from the top.
Don’t forget to thank CPC for refusing to negotiate! It takes two to tango!