CIRB provides Notice of Vote, voting to run July 21 to August 1
July 16, 2025, 06:51 pm
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Please find below the Notice of Vote from the Canada Industrial Relations Board (CIRB)
NOTICE OF VOTE
File Nos.: 038750-C; 038751-C
The Canada Industrial Relations Board (CIRB) will conduct a vote in accordance with section 108.1 of the Canada Labour Code among employees working in the Urban Postal Operations (UPO) and Rural and Suburban Mail Carriers (RSMC) bargaining units to determine whether the employees eligible to vote wish to accept or reject the Canada Post Corporation’s (Canada Post’s) last offers for collective agreements, dated May 28, 2025, in relation to these bargaining units.
Further to the CIRB’s decision of July 14, 2025, confirming Canada Post’s last offers, employees can access Canada Post’s last offers on the CIRB website at www.cirb-ccri.gc.ca under the heading “What’s New.” You are encouraged to review the content of the offer applicable to your bargaining unit before voting.
METHOD OF VOTE
The vote will be conducted by Simply Voting on behalf of the CIRB by Internet and by phone. Eligible voters who have provided an email address to Canada Post will receive a letter by email, from Simply Voting, outlining how to vote and providing a personal identification number (PIN), which is required to cast a vote. Voters should receive this letter by email at 7:00 a.m. EDT on July 21, 2025, which is the start date for the vote. Please contact Simply Voting toll-free at 888-507-9875 if you have not received the letter by email after voting has started, so that you can obtain a PIN and voting instructions.
Please make sure to check your junk email folder for the letter containing your PIN before contacting Simply Voting.
Eligible voters who do not have an email on file with Canada Post will be able to obtain a PIN by contacting 888-507-9875 starting at 7:00 a.m. EDT on July 21, 2025. Eligible voters will be required to validate their identity to receive a PIN and voting instructions.
Voters will be allowed to vote without interference, restraint or coercion from any source. The Returning Officers appointed by the CIRB will be overseeing the vote. Both Canada Post and the Canadian Union of Postal Workers will have the opportunity to appoint scrutineers to oversee the vote.
This is a SECRET BALLOT vote, and your vote is strictly confidential. No one will know how you voted, including scrutineers.
ELIGIBLE VOTERS
Employees eligible to vote are those in the UPO and RSMC bargaining units, employed by the employer as of June 12, 2025, and who remain so employed on the first day of the vote.
VOTING PERIOD
You may vote anytime from 7:00 a.m. EDT on July 21, 2025, until 5:00 p.m. EDT on August 1, 2025.
To vote, go to https://cirb-ccri.simplyvoting.com/ or dial 877-271-9530 and follow the instructions.
You will need a PIN to cast your vote. If you lose or misplace your PIN, please contact Simply Voting at 888-507-9875. Please note that the Simply Voting helpdesk is open from 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. EDT, Monday to Friday.
The PIN that will be provided is for personal use only and must not be shared with, or used by, anyone other than the authorized voter.
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Supervisors have very little to do beyond checking flyer delivery, Canada Post is just looking for ways to create more tasks for them. This “final”offer makes it easier for the company to justify that.
It’s clear this so-called ‘final offer’ is a bad deal. Supervisors, our contract negotiations are not your business. The fact that management is pushing so hard to get CUPW members to vote yes says it all.
Youre wrong there! Contract negotiations are everyone’s business especially the Public’s so we can regain their trust.Dont forget this is a CPC forum
VOTE , YES , take it one day at a time, we don’t know what the future holds, enough talking , we need action, VOTE ,YES,
Vote NO
Wonder if we would get a refund of some of our union dues. After all it’s a contract that the NEB had no part of. It’s a direct offer to the employees. It’s like an additional bonus. Yay!
How about a refund of our dues for the last 18 months.
Looks like CUPW fear mongering is now in overdrive. They are grasping at straws. Absolutely scared silly that a yes vote is quite possible. If the vote result is yes…the union you pay $95/mth to, is going to point the finger at the membership for accepting an offer the NEB opposed. At least the membership had a voice in either accepting or rejecting the final offer. If it ends in a No result…CUPW will have to figure out how to explain to membership why there is a lockout and that the no vote was for the greater good. Exercise your vote whether yes or no. Just remember who pays your bills.
There will not be a lockout. Use your brain!
Absolutely will be a lock out!
Not sure how many times I have to explain this, but I’ll try it once more for the people in the back;
The Minister of Jobs And Families, Patty Hajdu, used her government backed power to force a vote between employer and union, something that flies in the face of our Charter Rights that surprisingly few seem to care about. This is a minister of the federal government forcing a Crown Corporation, not a private business, to see if the workers agree with their offer. If the workers do not agree, there is no chance, zero, that the minister will allow CP to shut down operations. No chance at all! I have no idea why people can’t see this. She will not allow it after giving them what they wanted and then losing. It makes no sense. The corporation will by forced to negotiate or go to arbitration. Those are the only two options. There is not a third.
Fascinating ……….
Hmmmmmm loves to yell 😃
no = lock out.
Yes = we are all screwed
Use yours…if its a no vote start polishing up your resume!
Cpc is losing about $10 000 000 a day. A 30 day lockout will save cpc $300 000 000. Might even go longer. Starve out the membership, and break the union. Use YOUR brain!
Um………
A 30 day lockout of ZERO business will save CPC $300,000,000??? What kind of Economics class did you attend?? You can’t be serious…
He/she doesn’t have one
There will most definitely be a lockout, only question is how many months it will last.
Here what a boss wrote;” A no vote will mean a long summer holiday for those involved at least. Not really a holiday though, sweating around the hibachi on the line for money that might cover your hotdogs and buns”. So yes if CP doesn’t get what it wants, a lock out may actually happen!
You’re right. There will be layoffs.
Can’t layoff workers while they’re on strike…that’s a law. If a “no” vote wins, CUPW members will still be on strike (no overtime), so no layoffs. If a “yes” vote wins, Canada Post has already promised layoffs in the next round of bargaining in 2028. A “yes” vote makes that infinitely easier for them.
Im willing to take the 1000 dollars even if NO wins the vote. I just can’t let the money sit there right?!
I just got my pin number but I don’t get it because the numbers are in English,I don’t read,write or rithmetic in English. I certainly don’t make any comments. What to do?
1000 dollar bribe minus deductions will be together with regular pay most likely if voting YES to offer. Can anyone remind me CUPW bribe to vote NO.
The union didn’t offer bribes, they offer lies… When they asked for resolutions, no one ask that the union represent cleaners and snow removal.They they have their own agenda, which doesn’t include the membership. You should be insulted, by the way, they conduct business even with the members.That’s your reason for voting yes
I will vote for a 5 dollar Walmart card.
🤣🤣🤣
I was all set to vote NO! But just received a text from the smartest person she ever met Cupw president. It said vote NO don’t fall for Canada Post shiny slogan,it’s a lie. And that was the last straw. It totally convinced me that I am fed up with Cupw telling me NO. So I’ve changed mu mind and voting YES to thr offer. Thank You Cupw president for all your interference,persuasion or lack there of and your bull failed.
Yep got an email from them. Unsubscribed immediately and deleted
CUPW has just proven it’s complete irrelevance. Flip flop, flip flop. Can’t negotiate their way out of a wet paper bag and we are supposed to believe that we will be back at the table if a no vote transpires. Nice try. It will go to arbitration and the outcome will not be favorable. You can see the desperation with their increased scare tactics. Vote No if you want guaranteed job losses. Vote Yes to live another day.
canada post can not as well
No arbitration because we will be locked out until fall if no vote wins.
To the person called over and out that is the best heartfelt comment I’ve read. Here we are screaming and yelling at each other and there are those who need shots and therapy daily just to survive. I like so many of you will try to be less selfish and applaud those who are less fortunate. And yes I totally agree we have the disabilities. So look around and see what can be done to help instead of critizing and being mean spirited. Thank You.
“Voters will be allowed to vote without interference, restraint or coercion from any source.”
Or forced to listen to political propaganda or subjected to ballot box stuffing and numbers pulled out of a CULTW-branded touque.
Vote the way your situation dictates, not the way either party wants you to
Thank goodness we have a chance to FINALLY voice an opinion
We have to realize that if there was no government intervention in December, that the chances of us STILL being on strike is likely!
The parties are still far apart on issues, we have lost customer and consumer confidence- these are realities
I agree that the voting process sets a dangerous precedent for future negotiations, but if the rift is huge between the parties, where does that leave us?
As a 15 year plus letter carrier, I have never seen the volumes be this consistently low for this long a period of time
To give us leverage to negotiate a better deal, we need a booming business model
When negotiations take this long BOTH parties are to blame
CPC is to blame for much of the issues,- out of control spending , large populations of middle management , and lack of gaining new business and keeping existing customers is on THEM
CUPW needs to realize that this is not the 1980s anymore- lots of competition, weekend delivery and work disruptions are not the answer
What did we gain from the strike? in my opinion, NOTHING
Even if we get a wage increase of 19 percent, subtract that from the 10 percent of total salary we lost in 2024, then we held out for a 9 percent raise, which is worse than the original 10 percent offer !
CUPW turned down binding arbitration in November, now we want it- CPC turned down binding arbitration in June- government intervention is NECESSARY
Here’s what I can’t understand is that the economy is the worst it’s been in years, people can’t find jobs therefore can’t pay their bills and is driving crime way up. We are so fortunate in these times to have a job. With all the competition that Canada Post has in these times is it wise to be so antiquated with a fight that was justified and winnable in the 70’s and 80’s? Whether the YES vote wins or the NO vote wins, if anyone thinks that Canada Post won’t make the changes that they want to make, you are mistaken. It will happen regardless. Also, how cupw can lie to members and say that if there is a no vote, they’ll go back to the bargaining table??!! CPC said this is their final offer! This will not go back to negotiations it will go to arbitration, why are you deceiving members CUPW?? I’m voting YES!!!
Vote no.
Arbitration will be better than what they are offering. At least arbitration will most rule in the middle of both sides demands.
You think? No arbitrator is going to rule in favor of Winter snow tires,Internet cafes, Senior checkins(which should be done voluntarily) and all their other dreamt up demands🙄
There is no middle – let’s get with the times OR the times will get us
CPC is not the final word on the contract they will offer, the government will be. They were sure we would vote yes to this so-called final offer and convinced the minister to force the vote. She’ll be less than happy to have egg on her face and force an arbitration that’ll take a year. She’ll force CPC to negotiate in earnest. The gig will be up.
CUPW are the ones negotiating in bad faith. Like they were actively trying to sabotage any agreement. CPC made a final offer because CUPW left no choice, Canadians are fed up with lack of service.
Notice that no one can comment on CPAA or APOC posts?
OK, and? Why do you care so much about those other groups?
So cupw… the 11th hour is now upon you and your reaching desperately into your bag of tricks. For over 18 months the hill you chose to fight on was gender care, janitors, contractors and winter tires. Weekend work became your rally cry. Now, with very little mention over this 18 month period, all of a sudden its job security, closures and AI. And even more pathetic is your recent post on your website trying to scare clerks that lc will massively transfer inside stealing their seniority and jobs. Wow! Last time i seen this was the cupw lcuc vote in the early 90s. Trickery and fear. Cupw is great at that. Nice job trying to divide the membership… again. Trick the clerks into voting no. Your great cupw at manipulation and deceit! And setting the stage already that if yes wins, the vote shouldnt count because of your claims of registration errors. Ill remind you of the diasterous voting problems YOU had in 2020 when thousands of members were unable to registar to vote for the contract extension under YOUR management then. But, it appears youve taken a page from the orange mans playbook… cry rigged before it happens. But… if no wins… well… everything was fine, right? Facism at its finest. Well done cupw!
Good comments.
The union cannot stop Canada post from evolving…. Unfortunately, the union cannot save all of us. Therefore, whether it’s this contract or next canada post will not look the same two or four years down the road
We come here to post. Because the union won’t allow an open form on there site It doesn’t like honesty!!! Vote YES..
Canada Post dedication to health and safety is astounding when it comes to 25 year old trucks that never get cleaned and have no air-conditioning. How many people of you are aware of this that we drive these giant diesel spewing tin cans around major metropolitan cities without air conditioning dying of heat exhaustion inside?
You drive it, you clean it. Take some ownership and some pride in your work equipment. This is also rich when all I hear is complaining about spending on vehicles that aren’t needed etc. Open the window and you will be fine. Before you ask, yes I have done those jobs driving 5tons and trailers, unloading by hand, no AC and it’s not great but it’s definitely not a health and safety problem. Not when your brothers are also cutting lawns, hopping fences and skipping breaks to finish early in the same weather.
Spoken like the true soup that you most definitely are. Don’t even try to deny
Hera a new ideas; management should clean their office floors, no heating wear a jacket, no more air conditioning use a fan to cool off!
“Dying of heat exhaustion” nice try. If postal workers put Canadians first instead of their selfishness we would still have some respect for you. I’m tired of you all acting like bratty children. I say scrap it all and subsidize remote deliveries. Private sector much more efficient than any of you.
Says the spoiled do nothing soup sitting in a/c
If I vote no, can cupw guarantee me that there will not be a work stoppage , that means no picket lines and no lock out? I don’t think the union can give me that guarantee which means a huge gamble with employees finances if there was an extended work stoppage. A no vote would very likely trigger an extended lock out with a new Canada Post mandate and crown corporations budget cuts coming very soon. All the cupw yuppies can say what they want, but a yes vote does guarantee that we all have a contract for the next two and a half years. There is no doubt that changes are coming, but voting no will just make it happen quicker. cupw’s dream of going back to the negotiating table and getting their demands met just shows how out of touch they are with this economic and political climate.
If only CUPW bargained in good faith from the get go a deal could have been reached. It’s their actions that have made this vote necessary.
For everyone voting, please vote no.
It’s about letting the CPC and the government know postal workers matter too.
Yes, our union sucks, but they are our only advocates we have to help protect our jobs. I can’t stand that they waste our money and should be decertified. In spite of that we have no one else to represent our needs and struggles.
I have seen for too long the advantages both management and CUPW local executives taken advantage of the collective agreement due to the ambiguity of the wording of things in it.
In spite of that, just vote NO since the offer still sucks.
Just vote NO, and just hope for binding arbitration.
Just vote yes and put in an honest effort. Stop asking for more
And who are you supposed to be? Whats wrong with striving for better?
Your selfishness will be your demise. Canadians are done with you.
Selfish? Cpc has been sticking it to everyone for the last 10ish years at least. I am Canadian and I’m am not done as you so sadly are captain pompous
Is that your honest effort? Stop asking for more? I am gonna use that line on my house insurance guy. Just went up $500/ year with no claims. If that works maybe the grocery store will let me pay less to. …and so on…
Your compensation is awesome for the work you do. No other industry is being offered this good of a deal in these tough times.
Speaking of more, are all the COLA checks that we haven’t been getting since the strike gonna be retroactive too? We were getting them quarterly. I haven’t heard anyone mention that yet.
It’s not about more it’s how CPC did this with the government to try to get rid of letter mail and the union. Vote the way you wish but the corporation will replace you first chance they get. ITS harder if the union still has power.
Automation in the plant will shed employees. For outside workers you won’t see a lot of your family and you will save on cloths. pyjamas and work clothes. And too tired to go out see you’ll save money so wage increase is OK.
Digital world killed lettermail, not CPC. Job losses suck but it’s reality. Evolve and adapt.
Union doesn’t want arbitration anymore ,they want to go back to the bargaining table and have an agreement in place by January 31, 2028.
Cupw hoping to get back to negotiations, what are the chances? Why not declare another general strike, or union already forgot how it got busted at last strike – many picketing longed for government interfering with a back to work action since no more salary but bills to pay. The company and the government should have left the union and members continue the general strike for some more months, – that could bring more clarity on the bargaining power of the Cupw. There will be no more negotiations, no more Cupw play back and forth. Finally, the union will get busted in the arbitration, as well, with its unrealistic demands.
This message is brought to you by your CPC negotiating committee
There’s my guy. Missed you.
The truth hurts, but it’s better than living in a world of illusions, union guy!
As of March 20, 2025, APOC and Canada Post agreed to defer new bargaining until March 1, 2026. That’s why we have so many negative comments from management
Why would APOC care about deferred negotiations? They received the same 5% wage increase, and they didn’t lose any pay during the strike. Makes sense to defer the negotiations because their wage increase is tied to ours.
Who wouldn’t care about deferred negotiations? Thats obviously never a good thing.😂
winnipeg voteing no
Did you mean Winnipeg is vetoing the no vote? If so, I agree.
How do you know?
The union didn’t offer bribes, they offer lies… When they asked for resolutions, no one ask that the union represent cleaners and snow removal.They they have their own agenda, which doesn’t include the membership. You should be insulted, by the way, they conduct business even with the members.That’s your reason for voting yes
Lol…im voting yes .
To my fellow inmates from Labrador to Vanvouver and every point in between, don’t let this vote and prapaganda from both Cpc and Cupw dictate your lives. Enjoy the summer ,eat drink ,celebrate 😃
Cupw wants negotiations to continue so they are screaming vote NO. Because negotiations have worked our real well the past 2 yrs so why not continue. There may be some sarcasm in this comment…I’m not sure..I have indecisiveness problems..I think.
I am really sick of hearing all of Cp’s propaganda. If we vote Yes to this garbage, then the company and government will be laughing all the way to the bank as they erode all union rights and set this up to sell to their buddies. It’s a hard no . Don’t let the people with the unrelenting propaganda at work fool you.
Sure, let’s vote no and then we can cry all the way to the food bank.
Vegas odds just released….Cpc offer Odds
1. YES vote. 2 to 1
2. No. vote 2 to 1
3. I’m sick of the whole damn thing and going back to drinking vote 100%
For the very fact they want all the grievances removed it’s a NO!
It is not all grievances, if you have not read not offer don’t spread lies.
Your incompetence is shining brightly
That’s not true, read the report before you scare more workers.
All these sentimental comments about being more mature and stop acting like children are a waste. It’s not an act we do behave like children.
Agreed. Very unprofessional and petty all around.
I never leave any comments yet somehow they always get posted. Go figure .
It was confirmed that the vote will take over a 12 day period July 21 to Aug 1. Knowing how fast govt works,CRIB we should have the results just in time for Christmas?
You mean CIRB. Hard to take postal workers seriously.
Is it true that if a person is indecisive they have trouble making up their minds? Or is it just another lie? I’m not sure what believe.
In a smoke a Joint effort Cupw and Cpc are starting a streaming service together .
Show is all about the smart executives from Cupw and Cpc and the way they conduct business. Should be a ratings winner… right up there with watching paint dry.
That would be fascinating to watch until Amazon weasel’s their way into CPC confidence and steals that idea making foreign workers work for minimum wage.
Oh that’s right, they already let that happen once.
“Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.”
The vote goes from July 21 to Aug 1. So I can only make sarcastic remarks til Aug 1? Then what do I need to get a life?
100% NO.
I am really sick of hearing cupw’s propaganda and bs bullying. In my opinion if the NO vote is passed, you can all kiss your jobs good bye and let’s be clear, all the millions cupw collects from us every year, will be happily be divided amongst the executives and they’ll be laughing all the way to the bank. I don’t think they’ll be losing any sleep over jobs lost. I don’t care what kind of crap they try and spew, I for one, will vote a big YES!!!
Right that’s what happens to the money. Why are you here?
Good for you champ
And there is no propaganda coming from CPC? We are literally posting on a forum they have created, with CPC bots posting on here telling us how wonderful a yes vote will be. You could even be one of them
YES!!!!
The union won’t allow an open form on their site, because they’re afraid of what their members will say…. I can reassure you.I’m not a bot or someone from management, this union is full of crao and you take it hook, line and sinker.
Our union won’t allow us to comment on an open form on there site… That’s why we come here to voice our opinions, whether you like them or not, I say, vote, yes.
We are posting here because CUPW wont put one up.Why? Because if you’re not one of their followers they don’t want to see common sense comments.And to anyone not liking this forum stay off,its that simple!
Yes vote here.
CUPW being too loud about voting but way to deaf in terms of CUPWs transparency. VOTE YES and let senior go retire.
To over and out…BRAVO!!!
We get caught up in these negotiations and votes and don’t get our way we turn ugly and forget about those less fortunate. I can only try and get my wits and realize I need to be more professional and not act like I’m in high school. Hopefully your comment can influence others like it did me Again thank you .
I’ve never used this or any other platform before but its time to say this……
To all the people I see and you see with disabilities who struggle every single day just to survive I want to say thank you. You are an inspiration to the rest of us . You don’t want sympathy or special favors or even understanding. You just want to be treated like people with respect and the courage you posses makes you all winners on my book. And to all you people who are angry and dismissive about Cupw and Cpc you should be ashamed . You could all learn as could Cpc and Cupw from those with disabilities. Cause you know what the only people who are disabled are you and me Cpc and Cupw. I vote we appreciate what we have and I’m gonna be alot more helpful to those who don’t have what we have. So continue bad mouthing each other,Cpc and Cupw I’m putting talents to helping others. And yes that’s good for me!
You are a better person than me that’s for sure. A well thought post, thanks for that 👍👍👍puts a lot of stuff in perspective for me, so thank you!
In my depot the collective agreement is interpreted differently year after year by those in positions of power both within the union as well as management. When it works in the corporations favour one set of rules is followed and we are all disposable, and when it doesn’t work in their favour we are all saviours and greatly needed.
Just being thankful is not a reason to dismantle all the rights and privileges we have earned. Yes, some things need to change but extremes such as this is not the correct way. The reality is management over hired for years and ran this company horrifically. Rather than take ownership it comes down to blame and finger pointing, as usual.
The post office had it not been run so poorly is it’s own sales and marketing company, we don’t need people in these departments. How many hundreds of positions could be eliminated in there? Has anyone looked at the organizational tree as of late? Directors and managers are getting away with murder (and they know it).
You (CPC) over hired. Run the company better! I’ll work harder and longer no problem as I did for years. But the joke that you have turned this operation into is criminal and the fix is not turning it in amazon, which you could not be capable of running either. The only Yes votes will be coming from people that cannot comprehend all that I am saying.
If a yes vote were to happen (I am certain it won’t) then being a group 2 worker in the coming years will be a race to the bottom along side Amazon. If I was a group 1 worker I would with certainty however be voting yes. Luckily we group 2 far outnumber you, furthermore you should be supporting group 2 workers fully. It’s because of us you are making the wage you are.
Because of you, we are making the wage we are? Don’t flatter yourself!
It’s true. Sorry you can’t comprehend the truth as OP stated.
Yeah, right. 🤣🤣
If it wasn’t for you group 2 employees working 4hrs a day and getting paid for 8 we wouldn’t be in this mess
to bad the inside worker are so lazy,and need to make top dollar,just standing there for 8 hours.
Yeah like you aren’t a soup trying to cause division. We all see you.
I’m not sure what decade you are referring too, but working 4 hrs a day hasn’t happened for a long time
Did you read what the OP wrote??? Clearly not…sigh
Still voting yes, since CUPW have not offered any viable solutions to keep the corporation afloat.
If they haven’t noticed, we have lots of other competition out there willing to deliver 7 days a week all hours even as late as 11 pm at cheaper rates.
So what?
If you pull in my driveway at 11 pm , I hope you have an escape plan. Really not our job to run the company either. People are just giving input to try and help the company that doesn’t know how to help itself. Let’s watch your dream company unionize in 5 yeara like UBER is doing now after scabbing out the worst job in the world. Taxi drivers. Enjoy your new utopia.
Love this, thanks.
An escape plan? Really? What exactly do you plan to do to the delivery person at 11pm?
Waking up to a package at my door is excellent service. Better than missing out on my dream holiday because postal workers held my passport hostage.
Well said. We are not afraid of more work. But as the employee pool has gotten smaller, the hiring on management has continued. Since they will never admit to being wrong, We need to force this company to make the necessary cuts to management and changes to any newly implemented working procedures. So that we can do more day in and day out safely.
A yes vote could very likely happen since CUPW doesn’t have anything to offer to help improve Canada Post.
Ina addition,
You’re not a group 2 postal worker.
You are a PO4. You don’t work.
You walk around the depot stroking your long beard bragging about running for CUPW local president.
Stop impersonating group 2 postal workers.
First of all CUPW s job isn’t to run CPC. It is just offering ideas to a seemingly clueless corporation.
Secondly you try and divide the LCs and the PO4s.
Finally someone with a beard shows up trying to run for president.
The soup team is weak. Try harder or stay out of it.
Amazon delivery people all work hard. The contrast between postal workers and Amazon workers is drastic. It’s called work for a reason, why do postal workers think work should be happy fun times and expect to get wealthy from it?
If postal workers had the work ethic Amazon workers do the company would be in the black
You say we don’t need the sales and marketing department? Who do you think brings in the customers that you continue to disappoint? The only department that actually brings in money to this corporation is the sales and marketing department. Retail does a fair amount of revenue as well but every other employee is a pure cost to the company. If you deliver mail, you are not making the company any money. Some other department did that. We should be thanking them for trying to dig us out of this mess every time this happens.
What customers?!
That’s my point, they left because you do this every few years while the competition just works
I wish you’d leave. You’re annoying and not even an employee
Or because of the lawsuit that we keep losing!
Lol, the funny thing is, we used to get numbers at our little meetings as to how we are doing for flyers and deliveries. I haven’t heard anything about mis-deliveries or low percentage of flyer delivery in years. That’s because it was never really an issue. Just a reason to justify all your jobs and meetings. You may have one or two employees in a depot that don’t get it, but you would think the 30+ supervisors could figure it out. Now the POCUR has replaced you ✌🏼
I see you are back with yet more wisdom to share with us mere mortals
Would this be the sales and marketing department that chased away Amazon deliveries a few years ago?
And best buy? Big clients been walking for a long time, excellent marketing
Amazon is our biggest customer.
We are a delivery company. It’s great that sales and marketing teams are drumming up business, but if you don’t have us you are no longer a delivery company. I don’t understand your anger towards collection and delivery personnel. Could you maybe explain why you feel the way you do?
No anger here and yes we are a delivery company. One that hasn’t strung together more than a few years without demanding more while doing a changing role. You should get paid for doing the job you do, but not under the constraints of the union contracts of days gone by. It’s not about the letters anymore.
It’s easy, Just Saying is a boss and like all bosses they always blame the underlying employees!
This sums everything up in one post, perfectly.
I just wanna thank both Canada Post and Canadian Union of Postal Workers for giving me and everybody new ways to manipulate,lie,cunive,prapaganda,cheat and play people for chumps. You can’t learn this in school and I use it in my daily life. Again merci.
Lets not lose sight of the fact that this is still a forced vote. The union would have never brought this offer to the members because it is riddled with rollbacks and cuts. CPC is playing games with the membership assuming that they are not smart enough to see through them. This forum is just another example of that. NO vote no matter how many soups make lame attempts to sway me, this offer is still garbage.
Name a cut or a rollback, other than excessive overtime and five minute “leave early”/ washup clause?
How many times do I have to quote the plans for the next rounds of bargaining….if we’re ever allowed to bargain again?? Every cut and rollback is detailed in their proposal to the IIC. It’s all there in black and white. If we let this offer through without protecting our future, there will be rollbacks to everything in 2028.
yes or no wont matter as they will rewrite the Canada Post Act and 2028 will see major changes regardless of this vote. The Kaplan report made it clear that will be happening so might as well grab the $1000 now and get customers back
I agree 100%. It really doesn’t matter what the outcome. If cpc wants to make changes, they’ll make changes. CUPW is lying to us. They’re saying if the NO vote wins, it’s back to the bargaining table. Really?? CPC said this is their FINAL OFFER. This will go to arbitration, and as history has proven, arbitration means less for employees, changes will be made and of course CUPW will get an increase in dues. So go ahead, be brain washed by CUPW executives, they and cpc, will win and the members, the employees, we lose. I am voting YES. Let’s get this misery over with already.
Load levelling, dynamic routing, no route ownership, and the MOA’s of grievances.
We need to get rid of all the soups like you. Every meeting I attend we are threatened with a 24 if we do this or don’t do that. This place has been allowed to operate and needs an investigation. Just the same as your constant bullying and degrading comments are allowed on this forum, is the same way all you management wannabes try to run this place.
Never have I worked for such an incompetent place.
I hope that it all comes crashing down. I have a job, this IS the second one. The most of you will never be able to get a supervisor job anywhere else.
I will push to get as many of you fired as possible. I’ve gotten some already…
Uh huh as if…you better watch it they might just get u fired along with the other “Cupw Gangsters”😂😂😂
I’ve got news for you…it’s not the supervisor who is the issue, it’s you.
Glad you have another job, because you may not be cut out for this one.
Retiring by Christmas my friend, while you will still be in a job you clearly hate
Why do you hate employees so much? Without them you have no job boss!
Sure you have. I’ve seen several employees like you get walked out then try and fight to get their job back; you’ll be gone before any Soup.
Can you make that an extra large fries with my Big Mac combo, please.
What about no more route ownership? I like owing my own route. Is that not a cut or removal?
Flyer pay decreased
You are absolutely correct! CPC and the government taking away our Charter protected rights TWICE in seven months is enough for my NO vote, but, as you said, the offer is garbage anyway!
Your employer is partially bankrupt. Adjust towards changes or quit.
They need to adjust entire board of incompetent mismanagement. Not us. They did this. Its on them. Voting NO and not quiting.
I’m grateful to have the opportunity to work with the government, It’s a great job. I’ll do what I can to keep it. Thanks CPC for the offer 👍
Your employer is morally bankrupt. Your employer did this all of us. Its all on them. You quit your caring employer
No, it is not a forced vote. You don’t have to vote. It’s your choice to vote.
Nothing forced about it.
It most certainly is a forced vote whether I vote or not. This vote was never supposed to happen, according to our Charter Rights on collective bargaining. Telling us to vote on something while still negotiating is the definition of forcing a vote!
If the union would’ve brought the final offer to us for a vote like they should have, would that be a forced vote in your world ?
You seriously just asked me that question??? That’s the job of the negotiating committee, to get the best deal for the workers and then have them ratify it (vote). We voted for people to represent us for negotiations (if you didn’t vote for that, that ain’t my problem). Being told to vote on something that the committee did not negotiate to in good faith with the employer is a FORCED VOTE! Got it now?
Hmmmmm doesn’t understand the concept that voting is up to you. If you don’t want to vote then don’t vote. Obviously a union groupie who is totally fine with the rigged voting system that CUPW always uses. This person doesn’t understand nor does he like the concept that we all get to choose, not just the extremely small and angry group of union activists that claim to represent all of us. This loss of control is confusing for them. Their control is disappearing and they are unable to grasp this new and strange concept. Sadly no amount of hysterical screaming and blowing of the whistle will work anymore. The world is ending……………..EGADS !!!
Well said. I totally agree.
I wonder if Hmmmmm would still say it is a forced vote if the NO side wins.
What do you not understand about “forced vote”?? I don’t mean forcing people individually to vote. I mean forcing a vote while our elected bargaining agents are still bargaining. That is forced since we are protected by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms to bargain with our employer. Patty Hajdu instead has forced a vote. This is not rocket science! Do you get to vote on every bill that comes to Parliament? No. The people we elected to do so do that. When the people we elected to bargain on our behalf feel it’s time to ratify an agreement…then we vote. Any time before that is a FORCED VOTE!!
It’s also the job of the NEB to work WITH the employer to help identify efficiencies and challenges to potential process changes. CUPW stonewalls any proposed changes and DEMANDS new revenue streams they feel are necessary to the success of the employer. Rather than focus on better wages, benefits and working conditions, CUPW demands changes to revenue streams with social hubs, EV charging stations, craft fairs and senior check-ins as the saviour to a struggling logistics company; all while demanding thousands of cleaners and snow removal contractors be added to the payroll to increase their own membership. I’m not convinced employees are the primary focus of their agenda.
CUPW has never negotiated in good faith. With zero comprise this is what the company has to do. Things can’t stay the same, why you so nieve?
18 months and talks were at a total impasse before the strike, even with the mediator. What negotiations are you referring to? There were none.
It’s a very competitive offer. Much better than you’ll find looking for work in the private sector.
Not this forced vote propaganda again. Nobody has to vote. It’s a choice. Nobody is forcing anybody to vote.
Vote YES , and let’s rock and roll, peace,,love, and happiness, there are wars happening, people dying, starving, and we are lucky we don’t have those problems, Cheers!
your mindset is all for a race to the bottom
Nothing a matter with being realistic. Postal workers are extremely fortunate but are greedy for more and more…
No, that’s includes management with their big bonuses for understaffing and making people who have IOD work accommodated positions they are suitable to work.
I’ll only vote YES if I can get a multimillion dollar with a no trade or laid-off contract from Canada Post.
I’ll only vote NO If I can get a multimillion dollar with a no trade or laid-off contract from Cupw.
A bird in the hand is worth more than two in the bush.
The complete offer is nowhere to be found on the CIRB website. How can we vote on something that we can’t look over???
The full offer has been available for weeks…here is the link to all 507 pages: https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/doc/en/news-and-media/cpc-global-offer-urban-bargaining-unit.pdf
Give me a break. The offer has been available to view for weeks. Thanks for the display of incompetence.
On the CIRB website?? Really??? Please, prove me wrong.
It’s on the Canada Post website, since its their offer. Why would Canada Industrial Relationship Board have it on their site?
So you don’t read either…great. These are the people voting “yes”.🙄🙄
“ Further to the CIRB’s decision of July 14, 2025, confirming Canada Post’s last offers, employees can access Canada Post’s last offers on the CIRB website at http://www.cirb-ccri.gc.ca under the heading “What’s New.” You are encouraged to review the content of the offer applicable to your bargaining unit before voting.”
That is literally cut and pasted from the above blurb by CPC. Thanks for coming to my TedTalk.
You are right. Canada Post’s offer is on their own website.
The link Hellllooooo provided is from the CUPW website.
I guess this is the end of TedTalk.
Apparently you can also vote by phone. Oh boy, now I can vote twice. By phone voting YES and by email voting. NO.
I believe the law states since I have multiple personalities I’m allowed to vote twice.
Grow up once you use your pin, it cannot be used again
😂😂😂
Government timely and legal measures to solve this negotiation dispute through CIRB legitimate vote are something CUPW should be proud and respectfull of, since it advocated its members to vote for it during federal election. Now, the union has to be consistent with its position and support the Yes vote.
Even if the no vote wins, an arbitration is to follow. Hopefully, the arbitrator will not waste time to listen to Cupw shenanigans like janitors and stuff for 18 more months. In the current situation, the overall economic situation and the Kaplan’s report will play the key role.
Not necessarily.
CUPW have changed their position about arbitration again.
Now they want to continue negotiating with the CPC who they claim are dragging their feet by being difficult and refusing to negotiate with them. Why would you want to negotiate with people who don’t respect you?🫨🙂↔️
It’s almost like they don’t understand what’s meant by a final offer. It’s right in the name, but they don’t see it
I see a lock out if Cupw thinks CP is going back to the table. Can’t afford another one. I’m yes all the way brothers and sisters. Let’s get this show on the road.
💯 agree.
There will be no more negotiation if we vote no regardless of what CUPW says.
The union have overplayed their hand.
With a No there is no future — you say no your saying you don’t need a job
That is precisely what a “yes” vote will do. Canada Post has already said they will cut full time jobs in 2028. More part time flexibility means less full time jobs. You vote “yes” now it makes their future plans so much easier.
So your logic means the alleged “cuts” will take place before 2028. Voting No will hasten the decline for you. Having a switch to more part time isn’t cutting by the way, that’s for the people who don’t work here yet and don’t care about your sacrifice. It’s their choice to work here in the future so what’s the problem?
Those with a thinking similar to yours are the problem. Cant see the forest for the trees. I dont trust any of these guys any further than i could throw them so in my mind a no vote gives us a better fighting chance. Cant fight against a yes vote once accepted
Try working instead of fighting
First cuts will be management. That’s why I’m voting No
Boss it’s written; Canada Post has already said they will cut full time jobs in 2028. READ; IN 2028! And you criticize the person with the phone comment about being employed in 2025! And you’re a boss…
Very impressed with CIRB to get voting process in motion. Never thought I’d live long enough to see a govt agency do something right. With such a miracle who knows maybe the Leafs will win the Stanley Cup next year. Yea you’re right that would be asking too much. Lol
Voting yes!
The Champ approves this message.
Hamilton West Everyone is voting
NO
Yay this will finally be over in 2 weeks. Im assuming most will be voting yes. I really hope that we will always get to vote electronically from now on.
Your assumptions are wrong.
This is far from over. Likely only the beginning.
If this is the beginning you must live under a rock. 18 months of futility has us falling apart. It needs to be stopped now, let Canada post decide what to do with their business to survive. If you don’t like it go see what else is out there you selfish, greedy incompetent individuals.. there isn’t more to give, no one else gets max 8 weeks vacation, 13 personal days $33 + per hr Defined Benefit pension — the list goes on.. show me any other place that offers those kind of compensation package.
Finally we can end all this madness! Vote “yes”
NO way, Jose.
Yes way, Jose.
After this No vote, Can we have a public inquiry set up to look into this companies past 7 years of record spending?
And a public enquiry on the spending of our dues by CUPW.
After a no vote, you can start looking for a new job unless you can afford to picket!
Please remove the Board of Directors and Negotiating team after this waste of time No vote.
I am voting No, CPC give us a negotiated Collective Agreements
No, we need binding arbitration.
Neither side will get everything they want.
Negotiations will go nowhere like the past 19 months.
They offered an attractive Collective Agreement, but, someone forgot that this isn’t an all you can eat buffet.
Attractive? You need to seriously have your eyes checked as its totally an unattractive garbage offer
Better than any other industry offer right now. May find this out in real time struggling to find another job
Seven weeks vacation, 13 personal days, pre-retirement, decent family benefits, job security, an indexed defined benefit pension. How dare CPC try to stay viable by proposing changes to the delivery model to try and get more productivity out of an underworked workforce while trying to compete against logistics companies delivering seven days a week at all hours of the day.
Except when you’re in management! The all you can eat buffet is open 24 hour 7 days a week!
Great deal I’ll vote yes
You can’t boss
voting yes. too afraid to tell anyone in my depot, but i’m doing it
Dont be afraid…be proud. You are exercising your democratic right to vote the way you feel is best for you.
I count 5 yes and 1 no.
Lets get back to work.
YES PLEASE
I want to get on with my life.
This RSMC will be voting yes. I laughed at a comment someone made earlier that everyone who votes yes should get the $1000 signing bonus and everyone who votes no should get a thank you letter from the union…LOL
The no vote, if it does eventually go to arbitration after the lockout will definitely not get the $1000. That’s a signing bonus and not an arbitration bonus. I think you are wise to take the offer and not be that guy at the roulette wheel pushing in all the chips on the longshot
We don’t want signing bonuses! A proper raise W and some respect would be nice, otherwise take a hike
Hope you like hiking. Your schedule is opening up
Wow 😂😂
Keep asking for way more than your entitled to, soon you’ll find out the grass isn’t greener on the other side
So if CP doesn’t get what it wants it’s a lock out!
Its not a bonus. Its a BRIBE to confuse the 700 pages of cba dismantling
My biggest concern about this vote are with the ambiguous details of SSD, dynamic routing, and PT Flex.
They don’t even detail if CPC will still offer OT to full timers or anyone else after they max out the maximum regular paid 40 hours given to part timers.
If there are not details, I will have to vote no.
I don’t even see CPC commitment to also improving existing services or creating more sources (more products, e-commerce and services) of income to support the funding of the corporation.
Unfortunately, the CPC hierarchy just keeps on screwing up by enabling incompetent people in positions of power while ignoring the ideas and suggestions of humble low ranking postal workers who only have the best interest of improving the corporation they work for.
So sad.
What are you talking about… they just launched more banking services a few months ago and they want to do weekend delivery, just not with FT to cover 2 days of work as the union wants… there will always be OT, probably less but it will always exist.
Ideas like what exactly? EV charging, sponsorship on carrier uniforms, Craft fairs, elder check-ins? These are the ideas put forth by the people who represent you. There is nothing more to discuss and you know that SSD, PT Flex and Dynamic are coming either way.
Explain to us the obsession with starting later and later and later in the day?!? How is majority of time working in the dark even remotely contribute to our health safety to make it safe make it home. The areas where we deliver to aren’t overly safe once it’s gets dark Who is addressing any of that?
Main roads to CMB are pretty safe. You make it sound like nobody else is already doing this work. Please gather yourself
Still no answer smart guy. Why the obsession with starting later and later? How does that help anything?
Must have been nice negotiating with you!!
Can’t wait to vote maybe just to anger those who vote yes or no. Hahahaha
Funny how CUPW says this “government-imposed vote …. the process has been chaotic and deeply flawed,” when not everyone has access to voting for local CUPW executive elections due to absence from work or having to travel out of their way to vote.
CUPW bunch of hypocrites trying to disparaging members from voting in a government and public recognized poll.
A union election only needs 30% of membership to be deemed “legitimate.” Not everyone is given the opportunity to vote in CUPW elections like for national executive elections. How are CUPW elections even legitimate if only a minority is only needed to be deemed valid?
Postal workers have been given every opportunity to vote by the CIRB, it’s legitimate. If you can’t get a pin due to not having a e-mail, people can contact Simply Voting at 888-507-9875.
Do not believe the b.s. CUPW is feeding everyone.
Just vote for yourself and your coworkers not for your union executives.
If it was me, I would vote to decertify CUPW.
The CIRB must take concrete steps to ensure that every eligible member is able to vote. Without full and fair access for all, this vote cannot be seen as legitimate.
I am sorry but not everyone has the ability to vote on line. Where is the option to vote by phone? We were told that would be a option did we not? If we are presented this ootion I think everyone should take that option so that CIRB would get constipated and make their job just a little bit more difficult
Typical 1970 union thug thinking. If it’s not coming from the union, we must disagree!! why attacking cirb now? they have nothing to do with our issues here.
there is literally a phone number if you can’t vote by email..did you read the info or…??
888-507-9875
If you can’t figure out how to vote, how are you supposed to justify being employed? It’s 2025 and even the unhoused have cell phones, so you can use the internet or the phone number.
Nice boss, still insulting employees.
Educated workforce is a grand thing
Having respectful bosses is also a grand thing!
Wouldn’t it be nice to be able to talk with a boss without being insulted?
Typical, you know, they posted a phone number. You can call in your vote. Did you bother to read the article?Or did you just decide to comment
Finally, a date.
Unfortunately, the vote doesn’t count removing excessive incompetence in the corporation and the union.
Whatever your decision. Go and vote. Yes is better than No. Workers loss anyway but think to run family with this hash economic situation.
Alright cue the CPC yes fanboys/fangirls, all 12 of them posting the same things we’ve been reading for weeks
YES!!!!!
Can’t wait to vote a big Yes so done let’s move on ….
Where are the offers? The offers are not on the CIRB website as you indicated in the provided link. Are we supposed to vote on agreements based off executive summaries on your website. What a joke.
https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/doc/en/news-and-media/cpc-global-offer-urban-bargaining-unit.pdf
Here you go, all 507 pages
Bigger fatter yes
Yes Enough is enough. Canada post needs change to survive. Sold off in pieces. No future with a no. Unemployment for all 🙏🏻. Think about that
Nope
Strong and strong yes yes !
We don’t need stupid Union.
There it is, folks…”we don’t need stupid Union”. There is the worker who doesn’t care if everything is taken away from him/her. “We don’t need stupid Union” means making minimum wage. “We don’t need stupid Union” means rolled back benefits. “We don’t need stupid Union” means zero job security. “We don’t need stupid Union” means immediate layoffs.
Why is it so many people on these threads can’t look more than a couple of days into the future??
A no vote will mean a long summer holiday for those involved at least. Not really a holiday though, sweating around the hibachi on the line for money that might cover your hotdogs and buns
So it’s true it’s a lock out if CP doesn’t get what it wants. So it’s also true CP never negotiated in good faith! Boss, we were lied too!
I’ll be retired soon and you will still be in your little cubicle shaking your fist at the world
You guys know Just Saying is a troll right?? Loves this game…what a sad life he/she has 😑
What exactly has this union accomplished in the past 20+ years?
What?? Do you think Canada Post needs to pay you $30+/hour?? You think they’re doing that out of the goodness of their hearts?? Do you think they need to give you the benefits they do or the pension you’ll get when you retire?? Do you think they’re doing care where or when you work?? The corporation could transfer you across the country in a whim without job protections gained by the union. It’s very possible that having a union is the only reason you still have a job!! I am amazed at questions like this…
We need a union just not this “stupid union”. There are others beside CUPW and they actually know how to negotiate.
Are we allowed to vote more than once?
NOOOOOOOOO
Strong yes yes
Stupid union
Double post see above
Keep your comments tepid or they will not be posted. If the content is crucial it will be ignored
Voting a big fat YES
Even if the no vote wins, they’re will b a strong message sent to the union… And a ton of change is to come, I will be voting Yes to Canada post offer.
As of March 20, 2025, APOC and Canada Post agreed to defer new bargaining until March 1, 2026. That’s why we have so many negative comments from management
Finally a vote without CUPW bullying.
Thank you CIRB!!
Except you now have CPC trying to buy you off with a cool thousand
We have that every time. This isn’t new.
If it wasn’t for you group 2 employees working 4hrs a day and getting paid for 8 we wouldn’t be in this mess
I could have been bought for $999
👍👍👍
👍👍👍
Can’t wait to vote a big fat NO!!
Can’t wait to vote a bigger fat YES!!!
Me too!
big fat yes vote from me
NOOOOOO is the ONLY way to go !!!!
NONONONONONONONONONO!!!!! NNNNNOOOOOOO
i leave positive union comments on here and none of them get posted. imagine that!
Nothing the union has been doing or saying has been positive.
All they do is focus on negative aspects of everything.
You’re not the only one!