CUPW negotiations: Canada Post presents new global offers
October 29, 2024, 08:18 pm
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Canada Post has presented new global offers to the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW), for both the Urban and RSMC bargaining units.
Higher wage increases
We’ve presented enhanced offers that propose higher wage increases and demonstrate that we’re serious about reaching negotiated agreements, without any labour disruption.
The offers continue to protect and enhance what’s most important to you, including your defined benefit pension, job security provisions, cost of living allowance, leave entitlements and health benefits. Like the previous ones, these offers propose changes that would only affect future employees hired after the signing of the new collective agreements.
Urgency needed at the table
Both parties must urgently focus their energies on resolving outstanding issues to reach negotiated agreements. Nobody wins if there’s a strike. A labour disruption would have significant consequences for employees and the millions of Canadians who rely on Canada Post.
A labour disruption would affect Canada Post’s ability to invest in its employees. It would deepen the company’s already serious financial situation as customers move their holiday shipments to other carriers – which has already started happening due to the uncertainty surrounding a labour disruption.
For this reason, the offers are conditional on reaching negotiated agreements, without a labour disruption. We’ll continue to keep you informed as the negotiations process unfolds.
Read about the new global offers
- Watch for a mailing sent to employees’ homes (for CUPW-represented employees).
- You can also read PDF versions of the mailings – for the Urban unit and for the RSMC unit.
CUPW Urban
PC’s get in, which they will, let CP change the charter, and then we’re screwed 😡
+25 year employee
Have a spine and go out across the entire country. None of these useless rotating strikes where we continue to do the job, hurting ourselves carrying two days worth while the corporation laughs at us. Not to mention not getting strike pay because we aren’t striking for enough consecutive days. So this needs to be across the country all out or it’s useless
Let’s vote. I don’t mind it at all.
Yes for me
I don’t speak for everyone, but I am a 18+ year LC. To me, this is not good enough, especially the threat of no deal if there is job action, the attack on pensions, SSD and now this load-levelling nonsense. IMO, The union should ask for our vote, but still put the strike notice in Friday. That way the employees can make the decision.
Nothing about OCRE’s. Sad, we do the same job, and never get notice. Why bother helping with this fight?? Also why aren’t we getting paid minimum wage for striking?
Prediction time . We will turn this offer down. We will strike or get locked out. We will eventually be forced back ( if the public cares, which they don’t) . We will be forced back for less than the current offer .
I’m sure this sounds very familiar to anyone that has worked here for any length of time.
Wake up people. We are no longer relevant.
we did win on the last contract the rural msc’s got the defined benefit pension
Always happens. Union turns down offer and signing bonus. Arbitration comes back with worse. New employees don’t realize that. Shame.
The Liberals are all but powerless right now. The NDP and maybe even the Bloc likely would not support back to work legislation. We need to use the incredible never before seen leverage we have at this moment. All the naysayers out here are clearly management in disguise
Why are our employees so ungrateful? Please find another job, your negative attitudes bring down the morale.
Right, because messing with our pensions is showing so much gratitude.
That’s right amazon is hiring
The beatings shall continue until morale improves.
If Canada post messing around with our pension is not a reason to strike just on its own, then I don’t know what is. Grow a pair my brothers and sisters and stand up for what is right and fair, not this joke from top to bottom of an offer. The Liberals are weak right now, we got this
As the members have spoken try again Canada Post.
Carry heavy load, facing cold weather, I think all Carriers should pay more than others under the same contract.
One word to Canada Post “Joke”
Then quit
Canada Post! There are no improvements to our benefits? We are forced to pay $50/year deductible as well as 20% of the doctors fee for dental/health benefits, this is unacceptable! We should get a health reimbursement account to cover these costs and the deductible removed. We should be paid more for flyer delivery! 1 – 2 cents per flyer is a joke, we also need flyer prep time!
The pay increase is insufficient! Other couriers such as purolator are earning more and this proposed pay increase will not bring us to the level we should be at this point in time!
Managers/supervisors earn more than CUPW employees but don’t work as hard as we do by any means!
Please Canada Post, re-consider and re-evaluate your offer!
Don’t see how they will load level when reliefs on the bench work 3 hr days and management can’t even get them to collate. Brutal
Canada Post. You made us a promise and we took you at your word. Two books of stamps and a truck farting a rainbow will not cover my mortgage. We did what you asked now it’s your turn. We got nothing through the pandemic. Time for you to pony up
Lol, people keep bringing up the pandemic where a quarter of posties lied and stayed home making the rest of us to carry the load. Typical CUPW behaviour.
And typical management spy response
“A quarter of posties lied”. Please provide proof of that.
Sorry everyone but the wage increase isn’t enough. New employees should be getting full wage after a year. Retirees can’t afford a 50-50 split on benefits. Carriers deserve prep time for flyers. Route measurement system isn’t fair. I could go on…
Bottom line is the corporation is moving closer to a fair contract but isn’t there yet.
yea, we might be heading towards a strike and its a mess in my local depot ALREADY
I agree with 50/50 split for retires not fair, as for new employees getting full wages after a year sorry but I don’t think so not for the ones I ve seen, they should have an annual review of all employees (work ethic, attendance, etc) actually there are some 20+yr employees that shouldn’t get full wages. Yes the carriers should get more for flyer prep but also union should fight to include the weight of flyers in the route measurement, our station gets lots, I had 15 sets that weighed 75pds for one sec, needed 3 satchels just for flyers,no mail or aos, showed supervisor ,union and rmo response we don’t include flyers in the weight, and yes I can go on and on
What is the split now on retirement benefits? does anyone actually know? I cant find it anywhere to compare. Is it 20-80 like full time regular?
Hey CP. Remember last contract, when for the first time ever, you proposed an offer with no cutbacks and a raise, and it was quickly brought to a vote with a few weeks, and accepted? Just sayin’. Easiest, quickest and least disruptive contract ever negotiated.
Lmao. You’ve never load leveled routes. Management still gets bonuses for doing practically nothing. You think what amounts to a $4 raise over 4 years is acceptable? Disgusting. But what do you expect from people trying to tell someone how to do their job with never having actually done their job. What does Doug make? Yall spending 5 billion between ’21-’25 and you “have no money?” Where’s that 5 billion coming from then? Where’s the corporate bonuses coming from. CUPW makes you money. Management is the drain.
A CUPW employee has never generated money for the company.
We generate money doing our jobs every day not like supervisors doing nothing all day and getting bonuses from altered and doctored financials
Supervisors don’t make money for the company either, but they cut into the fat and wastage. You want to run a depot by yourself? In a week it would be like Lord of the Flies in there.
Yes its such rocket science, CPC could never function without supers. Do me a favour.
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Seal the deal! If we go on strike , things will get really bad in terms of business for CP, and for sure we will get sent back to work with a crappy contract. About new employees, it’s not really important, we have to work with what we have now, in the future when things get better financially we can work better contracts for new employees.
Ya, things never get better
Does anybody find it interesting that the media continues to completely disregard the cuts in the company offer and only talks about the wage offer (which is still way to low)?
Getting better, but benefits to get rid of senior employees and giving new hires less.
Umm thank you for raising your offer 1.97%. Very generous of you.
Add 10% more and we have a deal!
👏👏👏👏👏👏
This story is finally making the news.The Liberals are all but powerless right now so union leverage is likely greater than it’s ever been. Make use of that leverage CUPW, do the job and demand better
YES SIR! I AGREE
Time for a “real offer”. Min 18% over 3 yrs with 12% up front. Also concrete written in to the contract assurances as to the immediate steps to be taken on ” working with the union regarding various specified issues with SSD” BEFORE ratifying the contract. Im tired of being tired overloaded, overburdened and underpaid with unnecessarily late start times
Canada Post is a SERVICE mandated to serve ALL of Canada, including remote northern communities. This model does not translate to bottom line corporate management and guarantees financial difficulties through no fault to anyone. Trying to balance your books on the back of employees is the epitome of callous business “sense”.
Your employees worked though the pandemic as heroes and now you have the audacity to divide and conquer with a two tiered insult of an offer.
Your “great” wage offer doesn’t come close to making up for the sky high inflation of the past few years. Dig into your humanity and come up with something realistic. Remember, that doesn’t include a for profit model.
They have already established that there is no profit. It isn’t because they bought some trucks to replace the old ones either. What world you all live in where they can just add 18% to a declining business model?
Getting better, but not enough pay. I don’t like being threatened, “only if there is no labor disruption”. No to load-levelling. I’m a 20+ employee, and I’m not doing more work because the low paying worker, that this company hired, doesn’t want to do his share. According to the company all routes are equal, so this is a non-issue. I’ve done my time doing all the difficult walks. If they would actually assess them correctly there would never be a problem. No to SSD, sounds like a lot are getting killed, and we aren’t even near peak season, or in winter yet.
Noo!!!!! We need at least 10% increase in year 1!! Also what about better benefits??? The current ones are crap. And how about an increase in pay for neighbourhood mail and some time value to actually collate. Imagine being paid 25 cents per flyer( I’m dreaming folks) And those post retirement benefits changing after 2026? This is awful. And we should all be scared with ‘load levelling’ … do better Canada post.
Not bad, best offer I’ve seen in 35 years.
Take it or risk it all for less than half.
You long time members know what I mean.
Remember we are not alone anymore, others will deliver if we don’t. The public has a choice.
If we want to continue, the smart decision must be made if there is any chance of moving forward for all of us.
And an adult joined the conversation. Thanks for some reality.
while the comment makes sense, the offer isnt even close to what cupw offered. also are you management?
The offer from CUPW makes no sense. Throwing the management comment around like it is a negative is saying a lot about you as well. Any intelligent comment gets chalked up to a suit and tie type person.
Best offer in 35 years? Please stop with the nonsense. This is by far the worst offer since Harper.
What a joke
The Corporation better start working on offer #3. That was an insult
3000 raise in year one is less then you pay in at risk pay to your supervisors in ‘bonus’. Yearly. If you can afford to pay supervisors 5000 extra a year why not the ppl who do the job The ceo makes 150000 a year bonus vague about most every thing. What will be arbitrary decided ? What is this load level look like what we u decide again against our contract. Define it exactly or nothing at all 5 steps back again u offer. Reduced pension. For new reduced Benifts to retire. Reduce reduce reduce
How about paying your employees better. You have upper management who make more in “bonuses” than your work floors does all year. Thats gross! Yet employees can’t afford to pay rent and buy groceries because inflation is out of control and you don’t pay them enough. SSD is an absolute fail on every corner. Every corner! Yet its not your end game. Its just designed to break the workers. Shame on you. Accountability for gross mismanagement. You are a government crown corporation, set an example. Be better!
The average LC makes more money each year than their supervisor does. Keep that in mind. APOC are not getting rich and neither are management contrary to your tired talk track.
Who wouldn’t won’t 20 or 30% for 4 years??!.. Yet I would take this offer, it’s decent, specially considering the finance situation CP is in, the strike I will do a lot of harm.
Agreed. Would like better sometimes have to look at the reality and situation we are in.
That offer isn’t much different than the last one. I’ll pass. 15%-20% over 4 years sounds more reasonable.
-It’s awfully subjective to try and decide if workload for a given day is equivalent to a full 8 hour or not. This will cause daily arguments on the floors and never ending chaos. Corporation should rather restructuring routes more often if necessary. Currently I’m subject to SSD and I walk 18kms a day average. It feels like running a marathon every day and I have no life after work as I’m dead meat walking that much.
– Then I sure will end up with some sort of injury working such physically demanding job, and now the employer is offering to cover only 50% of my retirement benefits. I have already paid out of pocket for physiotherapy that was result of my physically draining job.
-SSD is a joke. I challenge our upper management to show us how to deliver manual mail, sequenced mail, 3 different types of flyer bundles while pulling A/Os and PCI from our satchels. None of us is able to do this so we desperately marry our manual mail with sequenced and struggle with flyer bundles daily. Please come and see an SSD implemented depot and observe in the mornings. We are each spending unpaid time every morning to reorganize our mail and flyers only way possible and going out that way, still struggling, dropping out bundles, taking risks avoiding railings and using pinkies to open storm doors, thumbs to push mail through tiny slots… stress is building and we’re all so worried about how to do this job in the winter with SSD.
– I am tired of being lied. When we were shown videos that were supposed to prepare us for SSD, there were multiple flyers bundled together, yet when the letter carrier delivering them, she pulled one single page flyer out of her satchel. It was obvious then SSD was being misrepresented and we were right. None of us has magic skills to work under SSD unless we work free minimum 30 minutes every morning to correlate mail items.
-I rather strike, either get what we deserve or find an employer that values my hard work. When I first started to work for Canada Post, we ses to even get Christmas Bonuses, look where we are now giving in constantly, hearing blames toward challenging marketplace, yet never mentioning mismanagement.
Do better, Canada Post!
This is not what we want.
Retirees got 5% and 5% during COVID when we took 2% and 2% because “we were heroes” but got NOTHING for staying on the job all of the way through – no disruption! Now, we should be starting at 6% for COVID plus 2% for this year. That’s 8% to start, then 2.5%, 2%, 2%.
Fire white collars if you need to make room to keep your expenses at a certain level. Too many people making loads of money and not involved in the basics of the business.
as temp, i believe we should get benefits right away after finishing 1000 hours, as to become permanent, it will take at least 2 or more years depending on how many people quit or retire. also a 5 percent raise is a low ball .
If urgency is needed both sides need to give in on 1 major ask or rollback. This offer didn’t really change.. 1.5% more than the original offer.. and an agreement to send select issues to arbitration…. What are the said selected issues? Is this because it’s already decided and in the bag? Mark my words if this hits arbitration folks we are gonna be worse off. I certainly expected CP to come back with this offer with more than 1.5% over the initial offer. I do like the fact that they are proposing to eliminate the tiered pay scale — how angry you think the new employees will be when we go to arbitration and we lose that proposal? That’s $7-8 more right now. Someone I work with makes $22.60 and I make $30.66 that’s $8 per hr right now!!! I’d personally take 8,4,3,3
Take away the 50-50 healthcare nonsense in 2026. This is a disgusting rollback that CUPW will never concede to. It is also a blatant attack on workers that no arbitrator would allow…
Acceptable offer.
If you’ll notice, most (new) collective agreements run the span of three years. That’s baseline for most industries (see: Bombardier Assembly Workers). CPC management on the other hand tries to tack on an additional fourth year at 2% as if that’s some sort of incentive.
That fourth year (+1 year of bargaining upon expiry where your spending power further deteriorates) is an outrageous ask on behalf of management, and shows a very real callousness, and disregard for the frontline workers who sacrificed so much for this company through the pandemic.
What is the exact figure of increase per year in terms of percentage
What is the exact figure?
bro check the pdf..
No
STOP trying to screw new employees. STRIKE!!!
Seems like a fair wage increase YOY for unskilled labour.
The wage increases are not the issues. The company continue to attack new employees, which divides us, and continues to try and take from our retirement. STRIKE!!!
7.5%, 5%, 3%, 3% and we have a deal.
Lets get this done. A strike is no good for either side and the future of our business.
After reading this joke of second offer it’s obvious we will be going on strike. Time to get get serious Canada post, not this insult you call an offer
We need a raise that puts us at the national federal wage average of 35. Postal work is really hard. We deserve it. I don’t see a way around flex delivery but we need more concrete details. No way 50/50 cost sharing. At least not for those with over 30 years
Wage increase seems fair in year 1 then it nosedives. Marketing 101. People see the 5% first. Corp you need to get to 15%/4years at the least.
Year 1 has almost pass.theuve been negotiating since last year.then come Jan.and gets reduced to 2%..NO.. CP DO BETTER
Please cupw take this. 🙏
Does this mean that current temporary employees who have worked over 1,000 hours or 12 months, will get enrolled in the defined contribution component of the pension
plan and eligible for health benefits if they have not gotten permanent status?
Obviously the Corporation is intending to lock us out. They are simply ignoring what employees actually want and need. Thanks for the extra 1% over 4 years, the complete disregard for our SSD concerns, and the veiled threat that if we don’t accept this terrible offer, we will pay! Even the most pro-CPC arbitrator would think this offer was a joke.
Looks like the last offer. What do you take us for? We voted to strike, this changes none of that. Stop playing and give the workers what we deserve. Two years you called us heroes and now you treat us like zeros.
Yet again, wage increase are still a low ball. Do you not realize how much of our spending power has been eroded? Obviously not. I’m not even considering the remainder of the document.
unfortunately we dont have a choice- the ball is in your hands. I had no choice but to agree to become a member of the union to work there. My union rep is a complete stranger. I am told a vote has been made and here are the results- it’s all a fantasy make-believe world to me. The union benefits the corp more than it does me – it simplifies the managerial process for the corp- but does squat for me. I’m just a passenger. Do what you want- tell me when, what’s new with my job. That’s it. Done.
Cupw greedy to not accept
Not even close to good enough. There will be no contract that keeps SSD. WE want 22% over 4 years minimum as we lost 18% over the a last 4 years due to inflation. We will not sacrifice future employees for our current benefit. We demand huge improvements in our benefits. Our drug and dental programs are some of the worst in Canada. My daughter gets better coverage through her university.
Canada Post’s latest offer contains quite a few compromises; including retaining seventh week and pre-retirement, allowing casuals regular benefits when they’re permanent, merging bargaining units, and a slightly better wage increase. It would be good to know exactly which issues Canada Post wants to send to arbitration, but still this is real movement. Now it’s CUPW ‘s responsibility to compromise and get this contract done. If these negotiations fail, it’s totally the unions fault.
Absolutely incorrect. I doubt very much you’re an LC as there is no way you would be this accommodating. You are a company plant to stir the pot. Nice try
CUPW we dont accept. CPC has all the money to spend on projects are nothing but losses. How is this fair for a hard working employee to always be on the pay cutting side always nickel and diming with our pay. 10% year 1 and 4% year 2 and then re negotiate we dont need another extension after 2 year it will scale back the pay again.
Another offer thats worth peanuts, strike is the way. They are not taking us serious.