Canada Post receives strike notices from CUPW; Corporation prepares new terms and conditions of employment for members of the Urban bargaining unit
November 12, 2024, 03:13 pm
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As you are aware, Canada Post has received strike notices from the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW), for both Urban and RSMC (Rural and Suburban Mail Carriers) bargaining units. The notices indicate that CUPW intends to begin strike activity as of Friday, November 15 at 12:01 a.m. ET, unless the parties reach agreements before then.
While Canada Post and CUPW continue to negotiate, progress has been slow and lacking on major issues. The ongoing possibility of a labour disruption has been significantly eroding Canada Post’s volumes and escalating the negative financial impact on the company. The Corporation must now take further steps to respond, using the means provided in the Canada Labour Code, while continuing to operate.
Canada Post has notified the union and CUPW-represented employees that unless new agreements are reached, the current collective agreements for both the Urban and RSMC bargaining units will no longer apply as of Friday, November 15 at 8 a.m. ET. The Corporation will then be in a legal position to introduce new terms and conditions of employment for all CUPW-represented employees.
Under the new terms and conditions, the Corporation will:
- adjust staffing levels in operations to reflect operational realities, including but not limited to layoffs as well as reductions in the number of temporary employees and part-time hours;
- adjust leave provisions and benefits in line with the statutory minimum conditions established under the Canada Labour Code.
Canada Post’s goal throughout these negotiations with CUPW has always been to reach negotiated agreements, without any labour disruption. The company remains committed to proceeding with urgency to reach agreements.
More information
- Read a letter from President and CEO Doug Ettinger to CUPW-represented employees.
- You can also read a summary of changes for members of the Urban bargaining unit.
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- Watch for further updates on the Negotiations Hub or in mailings to your home. You can also sign up for email updates, directly to your inbox.
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Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with you pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won’t
Come again
And don’t speak too soon
For the wheels still
In spin
And there’s no tellin who
That it’s namin
For the loser now will be
Later to win
For the times ,they are
A changing
Thank you Teamsters for your support.
I hope to see you represent us soon.✊🏿✊🏻✊🏼✊✊🏽✊🏾
Yes I agree, we need teamsters, no more of this CUPW drama.. Solidarity brothers in Sisters.. In Teamsters we will trust ✊
It’s official, strike!
Strike called, everyone walked out at 12:00.. Not even a final offer, way to go CUPW.. Now we get paid less than minimum wage to picket.. can’t wait
Full Strike.
As of confirmation, we are officially on the full strike now.
We have one world to make this right.
I’m working 10 hours a day in the old ways ….. because I have transferred from ssd Toronto where I was working 7 hours with flyer coalition. NOW IM WORKING 10 hours north of Toronto, SHAME ON THE PEOPLE WHO DON’T KNOW BETTER .
SHAME ON the people who tell me I’m in the wrong that I am problematic . Guess what? I’ve lived this cycle of old school, the old school people are the ones putting pains in my back and shoulder .
All those who cheat, who don’t follow their route , are the ones who will face their consequence …Everyone thinks they can play the game but the game just played you .
Xo
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As of confirmation, we are officially on the full strike now…
The union is not concerned about a deal for us yet they ratified a contact for others during our negotiations.. Are you awake yet..? We’re the reason this union exists and they only worry about getting contracts for other to pocket more money.. Why was this contract negotiated during our negotiations..? Talk about a bunch of corrupt Tyrants taking us for a ride..
https://www.cupw.ca/en/maintair-members-thunder-bay-ratify-their-first-collective-agreement
And we have a strike. See ya on the line in am.
If we don’t call a strike at 12:01 brothers and sisters it means my life with the corporation was a scam and a lie and it is hurting my body now that I’ve transferred from 2000 old school to 2014 SSD BACK TO old school 2024 ,
This is a corporation full of lies and deceit . If I asked you in 2024 that I would be delivering in 1990 cases, 1975 relay bags , waiting 20 minutes for a taxi at the start of my route , waiting 20 minutes for a taxi at the end of my route . Flyers that weigh 50 lbs per relay box when another box is needed …….
Brothers and sisters , I’ve been through these struggles 20 years ago and to my point, this corporation is full of lies and deceit , if we do not go on strike as of 12:01 Am tonight then I shame all of you .
Xoxo
Strike.. lock out or boxing day sale make something happen CUPW its time to provide service to paying union members.
Strike is happening at 12:01am est. just got the word from my union rep.
I literally just started working at Canada Post and have no idea if I am supposed to be showing up in the morning for work or not. Why don’t they keep everyone more up to date on what’s going on?
That would be to much like a professional place of employment instead of a circus
Well my plan for tomorrow morning will be showing up , cross the picket line get my stuff and go out to deliver
Wait and see tomorrow morning when you get up for work. Go to CUPW, infopost and news websites after you wake up.
If no news from CUPW and Canada Post, just show up as if a regular shift.
I hate the fact CUPW has not given any advice to all the members on what to do after NOVEMBER 15 12:01 AM EST.
Start the buy outs now and pay peanuts later.
I agree start the buy outs now.
Cupw will only allow buyouts if cpc fills the position which defeats the point of a buyout. So no point of buyouts.
Same thing as giving us something decent and less to new hires. Buy out or retire soon enough the old employees will be gone and then they can have their amazon gig work model.
Start the buy outs like CN rail and cuts in Ottawa.
I agree start the buy outs and get out before it gets ugly.
NO rotating strikes CUPW. You do rotating and nobody will picket for you just like your rallies nobody showed.
I too will not strike if it is rotating.
Exactly, let the clowns rotate themselves.. Useless union stealing from its members.. All the execs should resign now
18% raise. SSD stays. No Dynamic routing. Weekend yes. Do whatever to the new hires, CUPW already supported it the last time and never righted that wrong to date.
You obviously aren’t getting killed by ssd like those of us with door to door. Speak for yourself. Get rid of ssd!!!
I hear you but the thing is it won’t happen.
It really needs to be addressed and modified in some way shape or form. It is killing us
Corp did say they would address issues with the union, I think that is best case scenario.
The union had an opportunity to stop SSD when it was introduced in Montreal and the clowns did nothing.. They waited for the contract to expire first and it backfired on them.. They took it to arbitration and lost, no surprise as they don’t care anyways because they don’t do any work.. just useless..
SSD info here, Union just does nothing
https://www.cupw.ca/en/separate-sort-and-delivery-%E2%80%93-national-grievance-rejected
I agree. This goes to arbitration anyhow and that’ll be implemented anyhow all day. So will weekends and the pension for new hires will also change — that’s they way of the world unfortunately and I’d rather give up a few of those things to gain on other things, rather then go straight to arbitration and lose it all. Then it doesn’t get settled until 2 yrs down the road. I could sure use the raise today and the back pay for the last year.
When I would scoff at the two tier wage system members would say you knew the rate of pay when you were hired and they are right. I would say the same applies to new hires, they know the deal.
We should take care of current members not ones who are not even with the company yet.
Give us 18% and forget the new hires. If nobody wants to work here Corp will have to address that anyways.
It’ll never happen
It’s here to stay
Best to maybe negotiate early morning starts for SSD, perhaps 8 to 830, then it’ll be easier for LC to make the adjustments needed to do their routes just like we always did throughout every change over the years
8 am start would be a good starting point. It can’t be left in current iteration as its just to dangerous and overloaded. We are extremely concerned now that its dark at 4:30 and even worse when the snow flies. This MUST be addressed
We have SSD and it absolutely sucks, but reality is they will NEVER reverse the stations that have it, the only thing that would make it better is to switch to CMB, which SSD is meant for and that’s more realistic than getting rid of SSD,which makes me sad because I’ve always owned a full door to door foot route and still do
Work to rule put in overtime. Hit them in the pocketbook. It’s the only thing that works.
Go work in another role then. You never will because you know that the job isn’t bad. You are just pretending to be upset about it. You have options…all of you do. It’s a big company.
Why are you so opposed to an obvious overzealous and poorly thought out mistake in the happening. What happened to make it safe make it home or is that just another lie like every other single word that comes out of management smart mouths?
What’s wrong with earlier start times? Why the obsession with starting so late?
Run by tiny minds
After reading the French version of the negotiation hub, I agree with many of the comments there.
Canada Post knows we will be legislated back to work by some estimates 1 week if we start the walk out tomorrow.
CUPW and Canada Post will go through arbitration. If Canada Post have cooked the books, the arbitrator will side with the corporation and we will end with get the same contract offer that is currently on the table. Hence, we would have lost 5 days of work all for nothing.
The government legislation is skewed in favour for Canada Post since they know the postal office is an essential service for all Canadians.
In my opinion, CUPW has been outwitted by their own stupidity by not having more educated and professional looking NEB, regional, and local executive members to representing the workers.
If you were going to negotiate in good faith with a big corporate business you would want your “ Union exec (representing you to NOT) look. (With) Baggy food stained shirt, Baggy shorts, slurpee in hand or other sugar drink, dishevelled appearance.”
Or
“Yes so unprofessional, like homeless people when they show up on TV.. Disgusting.. You think for all the money they take from us they’d buy some decent clothing when representing us.. .”
If I were a conciliator or an arbitrator who had to sit through and look at this union executive looking like a walking disaster, CUPW would lose on the merits of not being respectful and horrible “proper decorum attire.”
Thanks a lot CUPW executive members for ruining negotiations with Canada Post.
I agree, but the only part is I’d change is ruin the negotiating for its members, not CPC… Well said… 👍
You lost us at “french version”
Go here (Allez ici ) : https://infoposte.ca/negociations/sttp-urbain/postes-canada-recoit-des-preavis-de-greve-du-sttp/
Correction: Canada Post is also to blame equally.
Lol. I brought that up years ago. The scruffy beards, messy hair, etc. I mentioned dress in a suit and tie,,,,carry a briefcase… look like you mean business. They said it was not worker like to dress like the boss or corporate CEOs.
CUPW is the only company making a little over 5 million dollars a month for a service they provide. So far didnt get any service. good workers never need a union in real world.
so true,just look at people being trained for union ed,just family and friends
I trained to be a shop steward a few years ago. Once I found out that I had to defend some of the laziest and most ungrateful people working at Canada Post, I immediately bailed out of being a shop steward.
However, I do occasionally give advice to people deemed worthy of help.
sounds like a lock is coming. union will try to rotating strikes. Just pure Bulll. throwing union dues out in the drain. no service.
No final offer huh?!! Looks like the arbitration settlement will be no better than that last offer— perhaps worse. Typical
Shows the company is serious and when it goes to arbitration, I don’t think we will get what the last global offer was- it will be less. Maybe percentages are the same but everything else will be out of contention.
People dont care about Canada Post, all we do is screw them over every 4 years and at Christmas time to boot. There is little mention in the news really-maybe 2mins on CTV at the end and that is way after all the Taylor Swift hype. People don’t forget that easy and they are certainly not going to lose any sleep about locked out picketers
Exactly…after 30+years at CPC these strikes /lockouts don’t mean diddly squat…too much competition
Think about all the dues over the years since the last strike and loss of pay there i might mention.
Just how dar ahead are you going to be at the end of all this. Going to be in worse shape with more lost wages, increased dues based on your new rate of pay and then we get to do it all over again in 2-4 years. Union is the only winner here because they really they are negotiating their new dues rate from you.
Anything new about a strike or a lockout? Today clerks put a bunch of flyers in the bunkers, and I saw a list of guys that are supposed to start o strike at 4AM!?? Yes 4AM 😀 Hopefully they don’t need to punch a card
At 4am 😂 way to show em. Plant workers be sure to get all you can done and trucks unloaded by 4am 😂. Or, and I’m just spit balling here. Walk off the job at 12:01am.
Burn barrels anyone? I’ll take 2.
CUPW made a counter offer last week. CPC won’t even respond to the off with a counteroffer. Instead, CUPW notifies of possible job action as a result and COC plays big bad corporation and terminates the collective agreement on Friday morning regardless if All we do is wear buttons or are notified to not work overtime. Heavy handed bad faith bargaining tactics if you ask me. They want employees to eat the offer and settle for rollbacks because the business decisions CPC has been making haven’t turned into profit. Sad state of affairs. CPC is not and will not be an employer of choice.
You are free to take you skillset to another employer, worthy of your loyalty. Since CUPW countered with a ludicrous offer, it made it pretty clear what they wanted to do. The CPC offer was contingent on the union not beginning job action. They chose that path and this is the response. Not sure why you are confused, or how you think there would even be any overtime at this point
Seems pretty clear to me you don’t understand bargaining. You always ask for more, or less than you are willing to accept. That means CPC is low balling and CUPW is prepared to accept less. What is on paper is less. I doubt the money is the sticking point. The real sticking point is knowing what the job is going to look like afterwards. You’re a fool if you think Dynamic Routing is completely spelled out in the offer ans you’re naive if you think you will keep your hours and current means of work. CPC a gets away with these tactics because they are owned by the government. If they were privately owned or in the private sector you would be walking the picket line for months. The people who negotiated and worked before you fought for the job you have now and you’re misguided because you need your paycheque right now.
Thanks for the history lesson. It’s in the past though and no longer relevant. How’s it going over at the Chimney Sweep or the Projectionist union? If this was private sector it certainly wouldn’t be tolerating this nonsense, you are right about that. There have been two offers each made public. How long does this have to take? They can’t bridge that gap because it’s unreasonable. There are no rollbacks for current employees. Why are you falling on your sword for people that don’t work here? Believe me when I say that they will never celebrate your “sacrifice”. Move on
Thanks for the know it all condescension. When your day of reckoning comes, and it will especially with the trajectory youre on, remember your urine poor attitude and this conversation with all of us laughing at you
If we are working , I can guarantee you guys that I’m taking Splits tomorrow
Honestly, what can I say?!… what a blessing being part of APOC
You are an asset thank you for your hard work.
And the paycheque keeps rolling in.
What a useless union. Honestly theres nothing good coming out of this union ever. We need a better union specially the fleet tech’s and tech working in the plants. Need a union that actually knows what the real issues are. How are letter carriers and a skilled trade worker being represented by the same union. Skilled trade needs more then a drivers license. Time for a change.
I Agree. I too am in tech department and have been saying that we should be in a different union. Everyone in CUPW moves mail in one form or another. Group 3 and 4 support the equipment and we should be in PSAC.
Totally agree group 3 and 4 should be in a different union!
Unfairly representing the membership. Last time it was for Rural, this time for temps and urban suffers again.
What has CUPW gained in 20 plus years?
Pay a licensed mechanic maint/Fleet hardly any more than a non skilled letter carrier-rediculous really.
I’m already paying CUPW to represent my best interests and get a fair deal, why should I go out and picket? Why can’t they do the job I paid them to do? Why they are demanding things workers don’t ask for?
They don’t want to negotiate only make excuses, put stress on the workers. All they want is to use our dues for lavish trips and BS educationals as well as the women’s retreats to expensive spas.. No where has CUPW shown up to express what’s happening, absolutely useless..
Typical CUPW not informing everyone what’s happening, all I hear is crickets.. Useless union doing side deals with CPC on our backs…
CUPW is useless Why do you think the blue book(contract) is the biggest in Canada……Its not to protect workers as most don’t have a clue what half of it means…..Its a way to get the insiders IN…..The few that understand it…
Even the executive or shop stewards don’t understand it…they put their own spin on it anyway…
Right….You get what you pay for and shop stewards are paid nothing.
This is basically a public forum, any nut job can post here. This is what CPC wants
That makes you 🔩job too.
Join the club Brother.
You just proved my point
yes. absolutely…
Saw my supervisor this morning posting a comment on this very forum. Don’t believe 95% of the stuff in here, most of it is not cupw employees
CUPW leaders would be posting here more often but most of them haven’t got out of bed yet😂
They’re the ones posting well begging really to increase dues lol
🤣🤣 Exactly, sleeping in because they do nothing..And yes most comments on here are from pissed off members, no 95% of anything.. like the BS 95% that support negotiating committee.. what a crock
Out the 30 people in my depot I ask who voted, only 10 bothered to show up to vote. Very sad numbers.
I voted, but now I feel that I duped into voting with false promises.
Hence, I want a new union who cares about us workers not every leftist lost cause.
Better download some more games to play on your phone, it’s gonna get pretty boring for you with no letter carriers to spy on
They’re not spying on us, they’re making sure we do everything safely lol
And they they will still be paid to do it.
Most are, and we’re pissed off by the useless negotiating they’ve done for us again… Spend our money, do nothing, blame CPC, raise our dues and come around when it’s time for re-election..the CUPW way
Thanks boss quite bye
Then why doesn’t CUPW have their own forum..? Because they know the members are sick of them and their BS negotiating committee that fails every time that’s why.. The members would vent and they’d get CUPW excuses.. at least CPC letting us vent here.. This is a joke and an epic fail, all the unions laughing at us, and where’s ours..? 🦗 🦗 🦗 🦗 🦗 🦗 Crickets
People on my route know about this forum and are reading the comments. what do you think would happen on a Cupw forum? Imagine how crazy the comments would be, it would be Reddit on steroids
I believe you. Sometimes their comments are so obvious that they are from CPC management team pretending to be a CUPW member.
wow, 95% of it is fake news? whatever you want to tell yourself I guess
Who cares who posts on here? It is the CPC website…CUPW doesn’t have one up as usual…Doesn’t like the TRUTH which 95% of us are telling on here…The other 5% are willing to go down with the CUPW ship! Happy job hunting!
When I started as MSC with CP almost 20 years ago I would estimate 30% of my parcels where from China, China was labeled most favoured nation. CP was charging $1 to deliver a parcel from China and $20-$50 from Vancouver…….I only recall One customs charge for tobacco…back then…. Now I get less then 1%parcels from China and way more customs charges…….HMMMMM
Most stuff probably comes through TEMU.
TEMU uses Raven Force or Supai Express. They both lost my parcels.
To make sure my parcels were delivered properly, they delivered through Canada Post.
Good job Canada Post for getting it done right!
Talk of defying a back to work order from CIRB ..something anyone would entertain?? Been done before? What would that look like..? Consequences..? To me it would cause chaos, putting a lot of people against eachother .. all it takes it 1-2 people to object… could get real interesting and intense!!
They should do it but this union is weak.
If they did defy I’d support them but otherwise I do not.
they won’t defy the order because they will get fined $$$$$ and even though they pretend not to care about money its CUPW only motivation!
I think if that happened then the corporation would most likely do a lock out. The current agreement would no longer apply and people would lose their jobs my guess and there is nothing that could be done if the Canada Labour Code is followed which I am sure they will.
Won’t happen, the sooner we get forced back the sooner the union will raise our dues and blame post office for their Failed negotiations again.. Every contract same excuse from these uneducated people in our national committee.. Time for change, we’ve had enough, all the union reps should step down and be found liable for the constant failures and constant demeaning representation of its members.. If they could be arrested for the fraud they’ve committed I would feel no remorse for what they’ve done to the membership. The union is lazy and will never work for its members, they only exist because of us.. Meanwhile they’re going around trying to unionize other jobs to misrepresent others and feed them lies.. Enough is enough with CUPW, they play the fool every negotiation, only to stress out its members, shame on all of them, bunch of Tyrants and manipulative neanderthals..The circus called and CUPW answered the call
Said like a supervisor, so transparent
Look everyone! A post from the board of directors!
I don’t get get paid of Director pay..🤣🤣🤣 I’m like rest of us hoping we don’t get the initial offer from the beginning… By now we should have had a final offer but yet again CUPW has failed again
Don’t forget the Corporate executives and the managers with their big fat bonuses who are just as lazy.
I mention some major issues with the scanning scannables to the corporate run mailboxes several times.
Instead of fixing the problem the manager says “I’ll see what I can do.” 10 months later, he still has gotten back to me.
Canada Post and CUPW are just a much of slackers who like to 🐕 it.
They ignore every good suggestion made by posties since they think we are a bunch of uneducated idiots.
If you could do their job, you would be doing it. Instead you talk a big game with no finish. Typical behaviour
Only those who use CUPW (only the incompetent and slackers) should pay dues. The rest of us have no need for them ever.
Agreed, they only protect their buddies anyways, they don’t know how to actually work for the members..
CUPW is an amazing Dynasty comparable to that of the 90s bulls
Wow. just read about 20 posts. CPC must have full time staff posting disinformation in this forum. I hope the membership realizes that.
I ain’t striking at all! My union dues are not enough to seal a good deal in the interest of workers?
Keep telling yourself that.
You will be in for a rude awakening soon.😛
Aside from the odd comment I think it is mostly members posting.
Why is it hard to believe members feel this way?
How about cupw launches a forum or comment section and you’ll see the same thing but they don’t do it.
I am all for it, but they will you to sign in your given name.
Then, they will browbeat you for putting anything negative about CUPW.
Has to be anonymous or people won’t speak out.
Not a chance, lots of the comments posted here are not cupw. Most people understand this
Agreed
I think the majority of people realize it, the new members might not. This happens every time, CPC tries to divide people, it’s 2024 but they still treat employees like cattle
Praying for a long weekend or a week off. 😊
Come on. Don’t let me down
What concerns me it that there isn’t any firewood yet at my depot… how I’m I supposed to keep warm out there?? Can I still use CPCs hand warmers, or go inside to warm up?
I saw somewhere if I can find the site to sign the petition to declassify CUPW, and the names will all be kept anonymous away from CUPW as well.. Mention of laws in place in case any threat come from committee to declassify them. By law they cannot stop us declassifying them and bringing a new union as complaints are being compiled of reckless spending, disrespect to the members, not addressing issues and safety concerns.. More than enough to remove them and bring Teamsters in.. So let’s stick together brothers and Sisters, we deserve a union willing to support and fight for us and not waste a year every time negotiations come with no contract.. We’ve had enough of these childish games and lack of support from CUPW.. when I get more information, I’ll post it here, apparently there’s quite a few involved now organizing this.. Our Voices will be heard one way or another..✊
Right BROTHER OR SISTER!
🤜🤛👊✊
Agreed, let’s get this going, cupw time to go!
Cupw makes meetings inconvenient for members to attend but union execs get paid to attend the very same meetings.
Exactly, they’re convenience to vote on spending our money with any backlash from members.. They do anything for the membership, only to fill their pockets.. The financials are a joke, lies on where the money goes..
False. No local I am aware pays their Executive to attend meetings and if they do you should be changing your bylaws to clarify it is not permitted.
They do get paid to attend 100%
They get km allowance too
Well you guys should be amending your bylaws then. That’s nonsense.
Agreed. It is nonsense and not right.
These unions operate no differently than corrupt politicians.
@postie girl…yep at our Local also…peeps are paid to go first the executive, then the stewards and then peeps who want a couple of hours off( that’s limited though based on volume) they’ll bring in temps to cover though
Then you’ve been misinformed, I’ve been told by a couple people within the National that told me they do.. Don’t kid yourself, they’re not doing anything for free, and when we get forced back they will Double our dues like they did last time so they can spend it recklessly again..
Union exec look. Baggy food stained shirt, Baggy shorts, slurpee in hand or other sugar drink, dishevelled appearance.
Yes so unprofessional, like homeless people when they show up on TV.. Disgusting.. You think for all the money they take from us they’d buy some decent clothing when representing us.. Bunch of clowns..
Maybe they dress that way on purpose……Part of the deception
Exactly!
One day I mistook our union executives standing on a street corner as homeless people and tossed $10 to each of them.
If you going to represent us workers, please dress more appropriately when meeting with members and the corporation.
No wonder Canada Post can’t negotiate a proper contract.
You union executives 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 can’t ever be taken seriously with your horrible deportment.
They’d keep the $10 too
thats so true,we have union,heath and safety,reps walking around with slurpees,have never NEVER delivered a piece of mail,or done anything usefull.slap in the face for all the real workers,thank you union for supporting ur family and close friends,not all the hard workers who make up canada post.get rid of them all,start again
The trouble makers never quit, they are jealous low IQ people. CP is the golden fleece for them…
I’ve seen our exec with sleep pants! Tim Hortons coffee and cigarette in hand waiting to be lit…no wonder no one takes them serious!
Time to decertify these free loaders.
Cupw decertification petition is going around.
Sign me up
Have fun working with no collective agreement cupw leaving us high and dry.
Strike pay cancelled. Rotating strikes or no strike at all. I’m calling it now.
A question:
Is it mandatory to begin the negotiations before a year?
Even if it was started in the last November, within 2 or 3 months the negotiating committee could get an idea about the approach and co-operation extended by CPC.
They could just stop it and proceed for the next steps.
Within 4-5 months the entire process could have been completed.
In stead they elaborated the process for a year.
It’s a wastage of our hard earned money.
How much do the negotiators charged?
Where did they stay?? 5 star hotels ??
How about their daily perks and benefits?
They spent thousands of dollars in negotiation and at the end we are going to loose our salaries.
This happens every time. Is it the pre-planned activity?
They could start in last June/July and just done..
No more wait time..
No more perks..
*Can any union rep. be able to give the exact amount we spent for the entire process..??*
But the food and drink and luxury hotels. They need one year minimum to milk you.
This is the month cupw has been waiting for…black Friday, Xmas, Government not in legislature at this time. Perfect timing actually.
What’s so perfect about it? The big mailers will already have an alternate plan and unless CPC offers them free shipping for life, they won’t come back…
NO TO STRIKES! Let workers work, ask workers their opinions about what’s offered and sign the deal that workers want!
Exactly, cupw operates like a dictatorship
Yes Preach Postee
No strike pay if there is rotating strikes guys …cupw don’t want to pay anyone …don’t come out for free that’s all I say what a joke for a 92.00 membership
Exactly, pure waste of time just to give us hardships.. 5 star hotels while negotiating and expensive dinners that’s why they don’t negotiate, use our money to enjoy life on our backs..
It’s not about the pay. It’s about what we are fighting for. We need a full strike for a faster result.
They’ve had a year to negotiate.. They’re just killing time now to stay in the expensive hotel on our dime.. SSD is gone, they will not cancel it. The union agreed to 2 tier pay just so Canada Post can hire new people and they can pocket their dues.. a CUPW win win. Stop thinking the union cares because they don’t. 30+ years of failed negotiations to be forced back to a lesser contract, what don’t you understand about that..? It won’t be a strike but a lockout, and while we will lose money the union pays themselves which they deny every time… The union will only support members during elections so they can reclaim doing nothing and disappear again.. they’re worse than children at the meetings, immature and can’t put together a simple sentence. You see them on TV no one wearing suits, they think it’s casual day every day instead of being professionals.. Teamsters never locked out, never had a contract from arbitration, and never take a year for negotiations. CUPW milks the cow the whole year then cry CPC bad they don’t want to negotiate.. wake up, they’ve brainwashed you into thinking they actually care..
I don’t trust any of them. Both CPC and CUPW execs are just playing with us. Whoever is in the position, they go in clean but eventually transformed into a selfish and corrupt individual. I heard Purolator’s employees who are Teamster members are supporting CUPW fight and will not process any CPC parcels. I just hope we go for a full strike.
It is $56 per day, rotating or full strike
Again, simple solution to this mess is to let us VOTE ( on each and EVERY contract offer)
That way if the vote is a NO, then CUPW knows it has the support of the membership it claims to represent, and the vote is YES to accepting a contract proposal, then the CUPW bashing would end, the membership would COLLECTIVELY AGREE to the proposals, and then CUPW could rest easy, knowing that they did right by their membership, and we, the membership, are satisfied , the public are satiated, small and large businesses would thrive, and we could all move on!
As a member, I really do appreciate the past issues that we have fought for , however, we as the MEMBERSHIP should decide, NOT a select few!
Agreed!!!!!
Vote? CUPW has never let us vote on proposals…why? Because they want to keep this nonsense going…then when we get way less blame the Corp…who is just as bad…At the end of the day both sides are pals, don’t ever doubt it…All the behind the scene deals…
Problem is all the newbies to the country and Canada post would vote yes right away to anything offered as they don’t know any better. The same people supers take advantage of all the time
Totally agree
I am all in for union solidarity, but I can tolerate union executives abuse of power by screwing us over time and time again.
Don’t you mean *CAN’T*?😉
Your welcome 🤗
According to Mann Lawyers,
“ This is possible, but only in narrow circumstances in a process called “decertification”. During the open period, the members must show that at least 40% of the workers in the bargaining of employees want to decertify from the incumbent Union. This is done by collecting signatures or signing card.”
Or go through Labour Relations and “ file a complaint against your union if you feel that the union did not represent you fairly when it made its decision with respect to your rights under the collective agreement that applies to you. Your employer or former employer must be a federally regulated business.”
Cupw hasn’t fairly represented urban for many years with rural vs. Urban
Exactly.. More like Failed Representation..
Why no talk about the ever increasing corporate bonuses here? Like the “at risk” bonuses in the public sector what a joke! Every 4 years there is a contract negotiations if “they” resolve it without any disruption then bonus, if “they” can’t do the job and wait for service disruption and government’s intervention then ZERO bonus..
Agreed!
Rotating strikes to begin Friday just to get on CPCs nerves.
Hey CUPW why aren’t you allowing the members a place to talk about how much you failed us. At least CPC has allowed us here to vent our frustration, CUPW is a bunch of cowards looking to increase our dues so they can live their lavish lives. We are the majority members of CUPW and we will part ways with your non negotiating ways. We’ve lost multiple decent offers from CPC in the past, it’s time for you to liable for the losses and compensate the members. We should vote on whether or not you go to Cuba, go to expensive hotels, women’s getaways, and anything that has to do with our money. You work for us, we’re your BOSS the members.. You will not use your disgusting manipulation to get what you want anymore. If you can’t even negotiate a contract, the negotiating committee should be disbanded and the money return to the members for 4 years of lies and excuses. We should be allowed to vote for every offer and you are not to be involved in anymore vote counts because your Corruption is so clear to protect yourselves.. Jan Simpson step down now, Mike Palecek step down, and the rest of the executive board, we don’t need to hear you preach anything for the members, petitions started to remove you all, the labour board will be involved with all the unjust activities CUPW has been part of.. Proof of all unjust has been documented.. Step down now…!!!
I will sign that petition
Count me in!
Bye bye CUPW
well said! Thank you. I will sign that.
You’ve been posting a lot of things like this haven’t you? APOC member at his/her finest. At least try and pretend you are Cupw
Can someone explain why technicians who make at least $10k more than us are not paying more dues..? Why are they paying same dues being in a different tax bracket..? Sitting on their phones all day and not maintaining equipment properly..? Then complain when they have to work, their dues should be higher than ours..
Are the techs in CUPW?
There will be no strike, Canada Post will do full lockout. Why would anyone even want this waste of time, no other union does this stuff only our Useless union.. CUPW the 30+ years of failed negotiations..
Yes they are.. and should pay more because they make more than us. So many times Double overtime, while we never get offered at all..
Do you know how to fix heavy machinery and equipment? Then you should apply for that job instead of pushing the same box back and forth all day.
Yes I do.. I did apply and they said they weren’t hiring.. it doesn’t justify them making more and paying the same dues as us.. I also have an engineering degree.. Funny how they’ve only hired a particular culture instead of Diversity and so called non discrimination instead of equal opportunity….
Yes
It seems the corporation has been flexible with demands to a certain extent, why are you CUPW not allowing members to vote for a contract..? I voted no in supporting negotiating committee so I should be allowed to vote, I don’t believe for a second 95% voted yes, because in multiple provinces already I’ve had NO votes committed.. so are you illegally changing votes..? Because there’s no way you have 95% voted yes . Stop lying to us, your comments are as bad as the financials you provided us showing where our money is going.. You think we deserve raised dues by you constant failures .? Your failed member interaction.? Your petty begging come election time for votes being the only time you care about us..? Every union doesn’t support you, stop with the lies. Those people that shows in Ottawa is not a protest, it was so bad you couldn’t even draw CP24 who always report event..😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
CUPW supporting terrorism
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-union-of-postal-workers
Hey CUPW promoting anti-Semitism much .?
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-union-of-postal-workers
With the help of labour board we will have the CUPW removed and one declassified to bring in Teamsters.. Thank you for all the signatures so far, this will make removing CUPW easy.. Unite brothers and Sisters, we will remove those that bring us down, Down with CUPW
If there is a petition, how do I go about signing it?
I’ve seen a couple coming around and been told they will live for all to sign to decertify the union.. more information will follow as it comes out
I work in a rural office, I have my doubts that information on a petition will be known to us
Where do I sign up??
Heard cupw is not gonna strike come Friday and if they do it’ll be rotating.
Of course it will be rotating so they don’t have to pay its members…But CPC will lock us out anyway then the government will force back to work legislation…same old song and Dance 🙄
Union dues should be $0.
Charge as user fee to those who use it since it’s the same people over and over.
Union believes in rotating strikes another classic failure of CUPW who lost in court to a Judge. They want SSD removed, another loss to arbitration.. They want to get us a fair contract, in over a year no offer until we had mediators. Don’t forget the contract we had 10 personal days and $500 signing bonus they lost for over 55,000 members claiming to get better and got us worse. CUPW all unions laugh at you, 40 people show up at Ottawa and you think that’s a big show up 😂😂😂 Claim 95% support negotiating committee, another lie.. I know so many that voted NO.. nice try manipulating the members thinking you give a damn. Getting 200k a year from CPC.. Have you ever had a BBQ for its members..? NO but let’s not forget the women’s getaway to the spa where are dues are spent on as well.. I can list them all and I have photo proof of everything.. You can’t hide the truth from the members no more..
Please share photos 😉
Yet to see any union show support for cupw not the one. Me thinks they’re on their own.
Hey Cupw go woke go broke. See what happens.
300 for union dues for what exactly no representation. This is almost like a cellphone service that we pay the bill but dont get service. Calls get dropped. Just throwing money somewhere with no result.
Lots of comments here about an increase in union dues. This vote of confidence would speak volumes to your executive board. To all those interested please initiate with your locals. Once new contract is in place we can make this happen. Votes are fast and easy we can increase dues to $300+ monthly. Thanks for having everyone’s best interest in your hearts. Donations are accepted as well.
Thank you brother Palecek. Hear, hear, who is onboard with this proposal?
You wonder why so many have lost faith in the CUPW and their leftist propaganda.
Too many 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 running the show.
I hope we can bring in the Teamsters to take over as union to represent postal workers soon.
Cancel your dues with cupw and give them to charity or the new president elect south of the border.
C’mon $300 is excessive. Don’t get me wrong I support this but maybe $150-200 range is more affordable for us.
Don’t be greedy it is literally like the cost of a cup of coffee per day.
You would have a major problem if you’re going to increase dues to $200-$300. That’s just ludicrous!! I clear $14-1500 only now you’re saying $1200?! Good luck attracting employees with $300 dues .. some of you people are unreal
Luckily members have no say in the matter. Never have and never will. We took dues from $30 to $100 already.
I think it is reasonable. We are the union anyways so we really are investing in ourselves which means you don’t lose a dollar. Look at it like that.
$300 is high but $200 isn’t so bad that’s $100 each pay and then we get double the workshop and educationals retreats and stuff like that
Some of us don’t drink coffee everyday and should not have to pay this ludicrous amount per month. We have families to feed, rent to pay and additional expenses. We’re already overpaying for dues where the union does nothing for us except collect for vacations and BS educationals.. Resign all of you from the committee you have failed the members by taking over a year to negotiate, biggest joke than any union. Every union was about to strike this year and got what they wanted, and you sit back trying to remove SSD which you LOST in arbitration, you wanted 2 tier just to make dues from new hires and you did, they work 1 day and you take their whole paycheck. You brought in RSMC’S who were contractors to receive everything we have in 3 negotiations leaving us behind with scraps. You show your true colors here wanting more dues but have done nothing productive in this negotiation, lawyers could’ve had this done in 2 months, instead you bring a committee of proven failed negotiations over and over. You’re not for the members, you’re for yourselves. People are using food banks because they can’t keep up with their bills and you want to take more of their money away, you’re not letter Carriers, you’re not plant workers, you’re not US..!! You have no idea the workloads we do, you only hear about it, of you were actually doing the job you would realize not only it’s actual work but the hardships.. You like the liberals have failed us like they have failed Canada.. Don’t come around when re-election happens, we’ll push you all out.. Petitions to remove CUPW are out there now. It won’t be long
Lmfao you’re all a joke.. Biggest failure compared to every Union and you want more of our money.. Are you going to payback the $500 to each member you lost us in past contracts that were offered by CPC..? You’re grasping on straws, I’ve seen a child negotiate better for a large fries at McDonald’s..😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Are you going to donate to me struggling to feed my family..? To pay my rent..? Unfortunately I live paycheck to paycheck and this lockout will affect me..
This has to be a joke, right?
For $300 I had better see actual results rather than what is currently being presented. My local has never lifted a finger for me in mine and my families time of need when the corporation was giving me the screws. I only respect the reps I work shoulder to shoulder with at this point. I say $80 and a massive pay cut for our leaders at the top if you need the money so bad.
How about you make it happen for those who want to pay that much and leave the rest alone. That’s just ridiculous 🙄
The singing cowboy who took motorhome across Canada and accomplish nothing
Your yesterday’s news..
And this is why name verification should be standard on every comment section. Impersonating Mike is pretty low.
Transparency would really help. Let’s see the contents hiding in the shadows. Get the numbers out, pinpoint the actual issues and see what really needs to be done. We can work together and let’s just be honest….even just to ourselves for our own sake.
UP the dues asap for our strike fund we need it!!!
CUPW ship is sinking… S.S. Woke
And S.S. Joke as well. Unfortunately the jokes on us Lice.
How can I go APOC??????
You already are.
Lol, you folks are funny. If there are no workers to do the job everyone loses. The whole company sinks. Everything we fight for and get, APOC gets also, raises, personal days, pension, but maybe you’re too new to realize that.
Can’t find a comment section on the CUPW Website…. What happened?
There isn’t one! Cupw would never allow for comments. Do you know how much hate they would get.
You nuts? Cupw can’t allow that type of freedom for members. Get with the program.
Does anyone know if their still actually negotiating?
They are not.
They have been negotiating for 1 year :):)
if negotiating means eating and drinking on our dime then yes
100% Eating and drinking at expensive restaurants on our dime.. Correct.. Totally Useless
So can we decertify them and go teamsters?
cupw rollin hard n heavy
Who ain’t picketing is me, I already pay the union to represent me and work for me, ain’t freezing out there for anyone , NO WAY! Will be working my other job .
Yes for more dues please!!!!
Yassss me too!
Count me in seester!
don’t need no meester nanananana
cUpW hOlD dA LiNe
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Cupw gettin jiggy wit it
big willy style
Corrupt W should just let CMB conversion continue. Days of walking 20 km a day should be over it’s madness Times are a changing Trudeau paused it and has no right in interfere. Do it now and maybe CPC will give flyers money back and leave benefits alone for retirees
Are you mad?
CMB ALWAYS GET BROKEN INTO.
Do you realize how much time and money it costs to replace those 🤬 locks?
I have had so many customers complaint about not getting their mail and how much an inconvenience it is to pick up their mail at the depot between the hours of 10 am to 2 pm.
Hell no to CMBs. I enjoy my walks. It helps prevent me from developing lovehandles.
AGREE, SSD is NOT going away, they might delay till next contract but will not reverse the stations that have it so CUPW think of your members that deliver door to door in a station with SSD, their health and safety and accept CMB, yes there will be less LC but than create parcel delivery position day/evening and weekend, just a thought.
You must not have SSD, or an area that doesn’t get many flyers
AGREE, SSD is NOT going away, they might delay till next contract but will not reverse the stations that have it so CUPW think of your members that deliver door to door in a station with SSD, their health and safety and accept CMB, yes there will be less LC but than create parcel delivery position day/evening and weekend, just a thought.
Posties for increased dues. How many of you can we count on?
👎🏿👎🏿👎🏿👎🏿👎🏿👎🏿
Pay your share, brother.
I already do.
I started paying at ~$50. Now, I pay ~$100.🤬🐂💩
Why?
So union brass can go on union retreats.
Need to pay $50 more
3-4 hrs out of my 80 hrs is surely already my share. I’m not working to pay 20% of my pay to the union. Get real.
No.. you go ahead and increase yours he/she
You can count on me too!!! Where can we donate and can we pass a motion to up the dues for the strike immediately?!?!
Count me in!!!!
I don’t think so! That’s a big no!!! Even though we will pay more when we get a new contract. B.S.
Is this a joke? We already pay too much for union dues, and now want more hahahahha sooo funny. Unless its to pay cupw to declassify. The nerve
CUPW needs to go. I know of union reps exces who have not worked their position in years some even decades.
CPC greases CUPW and CUPW greases the membership.
Why are the workers pawns for your losses? Shouldn’t the government be looking into how this corporation is run if losses are true and while your at it SHOW us where the losses are? Big new fancy plants, new vehicles , payoffs back a few years. Disappointing the corporation knows it’s going to arbitration it’s just a matter of how it gets there. A real shame.
Why did CUPW lie about CP issuing lockout notice????
They didn’t lie. Canada Post gave their notice about 8 hours after CUPW. Confusion could be the terms, ‘strike notice” and “lockout notice”. Neither one means exactly what a person might think. Well the strike notice does allow us to strike and the logout notice does allow them to lock us out. It also allows either party to do other things. The strike notice allows CUPW to take many different forms of job action and the lockout notice allows Canada Post to do many things besides just lock us out.
why all the hoopla and nonsense.
CUPW literally gave strike notice then points the finger at CP for lockout notice which CP never actually did.
False.
Just hope it’s not rotating strikes, what a waste of time!!!
If only CUPW had their own comment section or message board.🙄🤪🤔
Maybe the person in charge of the NEB will apologize for lying to us if she isn’t busy trying to solicit support for due increases.
Finally, a somewhat straightforward explanation by CUPW.
https://www.cupw.ca/en/know-your-rights-0
Membership has given a mandate to the NEB that members want to pay more dues to support us in our hard work and tireless efforts.
CUPW’s“ hard work and tireless efforts” means promoting leftist special interest causes, not helping us fight for a better contract. Plus, they are trying to force union due increases down our throats without a vote from all the members.
95% agreeing for a strike looks good, but how many members actually went to go vote.
They didn’t even release the numbers of actual members who showed up to vote for the strike mandate.
You wonder why someone like Donald Trump won.
If the Conservatives get into power, so long CUPW.
I hope we can bring in the Teamsters soon.
No rotating strikes and CUPW cannot, absolutely cannot allow us to work with no CA.
If they make us do rotating strike with no strike pay , will not picket. We pay our union dues and should get strike pay even for just one day. What does the union do with all our dues, is there not any left for striking workers?
Cuba my friend, Cuba. I agree and will not picket if rotating.
Next stop Niagara Falls.
🛢️🛢️🛢️🛢️🛢️💦🍂🍁
you do get pay for 1 day picketing
Strikes lead to nowhere, only leads to financial stress on workers and their families! Last strikes was a “bread full of nothing” as the workers were the ones that ended up losing , and as amazing as it was, our union dues still went up …. Let’s stop playing games with peoples lives, and hopefully CUPW , specially CUPW with their unreasonable demands and CPC can grow up, and stop playing with our livelihood!
1000% agree 👏
Unfortunately, the rules that govern the dues have them tied to our wage so any wage increase will increase our dues.
The union has not negotiated a reasonable raise for us yet raised our dues already $5 which gives them an extra $300k a month. What kind of Blasphemy is this..? We haven’t gotten a raise and already they raised our dues .? Shame on you CUPW.. Millions of dollars spend on useless executives on the board.. enough is enough
If this post actually makes it on here I would point out this is no longer a democratic and open to all forum. It’s is heavily skewed by CPC posts impersonating employees. Not worth the effort out here anymore
In other words you aren’t interested in the views of fellow CUPW members. I’m in London and the vast majority of letter carriers have NO use for CUPW!
iam from winnipeg,feel the same no use for cupw,just help themselfs and there family and friends
have union members who never worked at any job just walk around with a slurpee,and there daddy or uncle from the union take care of them.slap in the face for the real workers
All I’m saying is infighting in front of CPC is not the way to go. Divides us, makes us look weak and plays right into their hands. We should deal with the problem at hand and after it’s over you can go after the the union to your hearts content and even overthrow them for all I care. In fact have at it just not right now!
Not happening.
Every time I or someone else brings up issues that union brass don’t like or don’t how answer at union meetings I get swarmed by their flunkeys.
Apparently, how dare I question union on spendings or how the union is being run.
I end up wasting 4 hours of my life go to union meetings because the some union executive go on and on off scripted.
So boring. I swear some of these people love the sound of their own voice.😴💤💤💤💤💤💤
Their meetings are no different than Trudeau word salads.. They harass those who stand up for themselves, a bunch of hooligans and thugs, and donkeys and Bozo the clowns, and neanderthals
Sure, lots of non employees wasting their time on here for something that is irrelevant to them…take off the tinfoil hat
Maybe you should take yours off believing the union lies.. wake up they don’t care, only election time when it comes around they want to be proactive.. a year the negotiating committee sat in an expensive hotel with 5 star meals dragging negotiations for a year, they never want a contract done in less time and use the on CPC doesn’t want to negotiate BS.. Lawyers should be given our demands and deal with negotiations not these registered clowns called CUPW
Oh really.🙄
I would like to Thank our CEO as he has done a fine Job considering the macro…….Under him my Truck now has air conditioning, small goes far with Me…….My Humble Advice is Give CUPW what they Want, Then deal with the financial fallout…..After. You have a debt limit, Let Parliament deal with it. Take that to the Board Of directors. Just floating some ideas, LOL
Cupw gonna hit the front lines like a bat outta hell and show the port workers how it is done. Hold my soy latte.
Other unions copy cupw so much too but I guess it is flattery. Ilwu owes cupw a lot.
When the union’s inspiration through the workers’ blood shall run
There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun
Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one
But the union makes us strong
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
For the union makes us strong
Is there aught we hold in common with the greedy parasite?
Who would lash us into serfdom and would crush us with his might?
Is there anything left to us but to organize and fight?
For the union makes us strong
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
For the union makes us strong
It is we who plowed the prairies, built the cities where they trade
Dug the mines and built the workshops, endless miles of railroad laid
We stand outcast and starving, midst the wonders we have made
But the union makes us strong
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
For the union makes us strong
All the world that’s owned by idle drones is ours and ours alone
We have laid the wide foundations, built it skyward stone by stone
It is ours, not to slave in, but to master and to own
While the union makes us strong
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
For the union makes us strong
They have taken untold millions that they never toiled to earn
But without our brain and muscle, not a single wheel can turn
We can break their haughty power, gain our freedom when we learn
That the union makes us strong
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
For the union makes us strong
In our hands is placed a power greater than their hoarded gold
Greater than the might of armies, magnified a thousand-fold
We can bring to birth a new world, from the ashes of the old
For the union makes us strong
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
For the union makes us strong
Sing it sister! boot skootin and solidootin
boot skootin boogie while solidootin on the frontlines
Why can’t CUPW put a comment section their website?
I would love to see how many union loving 🥰 comments they would get.
They know better to never do that under any circumstances. The hate and negative comments would break the entire site. Cupw wants to keep selling the lie that they are supported and wanted by the membership, they are not.
Thank you CPC for giving us a platform.
You actually think that the corporation set up a comment section for the good of the employees? This company doesn’t care about its employees, it is a low trust work environment and it is reading every comment and also posting fake ones to divide and scare the workers. They have the same playbook every time
Should we up our dues in solidarity?
Buy out the cupw online clothing store?
Lump sum donations to the Neb?
How can we help them?
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I think it is a great idea. Who is with me? SO-SO-SOLIDARITYYYY! FOR THE UNION MAKES US STRONG.
CUPW 4 LIFE.
I got the tatts to back it up to. 3 cupw tattoos and more to come.
When the union’s inspiration through the workers’ blood shall run
There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun
Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one
But the union makes us strong
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
For the union makes us strong
Is there aught we hold in common with the greedy parasite?
Who would lash us into serfdom and would crush us with his might?
Is there anything left to us but to organize and fight?
For the union makes us strong
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
For the union makes us strong
It is we who plowed the prairies, built the cities where they trade
Dug the mines and built the workshops, endless miles of railroad laid
We stand outcast and starving, midst the wonders we have made
But the union makes us strong
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
For the union makes us strong
All the world that’s owned by idle drones is ours and ours alone
We have laid the wide foundations, built it skyward stone by stone
It is ours, not to slave in, but to master and to own
While the union makes us strong
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
For the union makes us strong
They have taken untold millions that they never toiled to earn
But without our brain and muscle, not a single wheel can turn
We can break their haughty power, gain our freedom when we learn
That the union makes us strong
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
For the union makes us strong
In our hands is placed a power greater than their hoarded gold
Greater than the might of armies, magnified a thousand-fold
We can bring to birth a new world, from the ashes of the old
For the union makes us strong
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
For the union makes us strong
What lol
Wow, somebody’s been drinking the kool-aid. 🤪🤣
It’s a cult
great ideas
How much can you donate brother or sister?
The senior employees should have higher dues cause they get more stuff. The old guard needs to help the new workers. I propose new hire dues slashed and high seniority pay more and force donations to charities we support. I think this is fair. The young ones are the ones fighting the hardest.
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At the end of the day…CUPW/CPC are not looking out for the employees best interests….SHAME ON THEM…CUPW needs to get out of the 1970s way of thinking and CPC has to try bargaining in good faith…It is 2024
Should we members volunteer to up our dues and donate money to help the union execs fight for us?
I’m new but think this is a great idea, maybe a go fund page?
Many of us are hurting financially.
You can force people to pay more for union dues.
I don’t think it’s right to bully people into pay more.
It should be voluntary.
Donate and go fund sounds go to me.
Correction:
Many of us are hurting financially.
You CANNOT force people to pay more for union dues.
I don’t think it’s right to bully people into pay more.
It should be voluntary.
Donate and go fund sounds go to me.
But we’re part of a union and union brass decides. We choose to be cupw. So we should do what they command of us as they’re professionals and trained to be in top level positions.
Do as they command?? What is this … communism?
Should be mandatory.
Or donation to marginalized group say a pool of 5 of cupw choosing but you pick which?
Lol😂😂😂
Agreed! Higher dues!
For what? What will we gain from that? Another trip to Cuba?? Some of us are just brainwashed into thinking we will get more when this is all said and done. How long have you worked here?? It’ll end the very same way it always does. Go ahead and start a donation page.. I’m curious on how many donations it’ll get, I’m sure you’ll be able to match based on the last ratification vote representation of about 9%
Count me out but I’d love to see how deep the CUPW die-hards are willing to go!!!
the union execs fund them selfs just fine on our dues,they should give back to the members.have u seen our execs,dont look like they have missed a meal.walking around with a slurpee asking how we are doing.what a joke.bring back the old guard.not the family and friends union
Cupw better buck up this time, but they won’t. I’ve seen this movie. This is why no other unions support them. They’ve become a social justice party.
I’ve seen this same movie a few times also…I could recite it word for word…Just different comedians🙄
Why are these funds not distributed to members instead?
“Most of these trips are financed by the union’s International Postal Fund; a war chest topped up each year with a $200,000 payment from Canada Post – and first secured as part of a 2000 collective agreement.”
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-union-of-postal-workers
You realize that this is about $5 per person. You want that in a cheque or credit?
Lower dues would go a long way and be appreciated. How about using the funds for something more meaningful than Cuba or the like. OR cupw tells cpc give our members a raise with those funds. How about that?
Credit please. With interest
This true? Union told me it is fake news.
They told you fake news because all they do is lie..
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-union-of-postal-workers
I notice my comment didn’t make it. Strike lock out its all good with me. Employees never got the chance to vote. Cupw toke away their right to vote and is playing them for chumps. I just booked cancun all paid for with union dues. It’s great to be a cupw executive. And laugh real hard.
Good for you management troll pretending to be a cupw exec. Don’t be so obvious!
I don’t like Cancun but I like CUPW Management goes to nicer places take a pay cut and help mangers get there bonuses.
“CUPW has long helped fund far-flung international causes that, admittedly, may have only the most peripheral connection to the business of delivering mail”
“As far back as the 1970s, CUPW was known among trade unions for harbouring extreme leftists, if not full-blown communists.”
“Most of these trips are financed by the union’s International Postal Fund; a war chest topped up each year with a $200,000 payment from Canada Post – and first secured as part of a 2000 collective agreement.”
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-union-of-postal-workers
This is insane. The members should be getting their share.
Ideal would be for workers to vote on CPC and CUPW offers…. Workers cannot be held hostage by CUPW demands that workers never asked for.
I like this idea, I feel we have no say but have to suffer the consequences
The demands are literally selected and voted on by CUPW members.
The members should have the final say not the few greedy negotiators.
CUPW is a passive- aggressive dinosaur , and detached from economic reality. Having been an employee for thirty four years I got to know them very well.
I don’t think many would agree, but this is what I would want:
10% immediate raise, followed by 2%/year thereafter, No SSD, and a reduction in mgmt personnel to cut costs and improve productivity.
Will take the 2nd global offer as is with a special clause if we All turn the corner with profit it is shared with all ..easy common sense maybe we can get the ones dragging down the place to pick up there feet
Good idea, however, CUPW has always been against any type of bonus/profit sharing scenario for unionized employees. I could never understand why?
I agree.
No more big bonuses to Canada Post executives and management if the Corporation “turn(s) the corner with profit.” They need to share the wealth with us posties by Increasing the benefits.
When they made money, you all got a taste with the Corporate Team Incentive. They started losing money and had to make up ground with the pension demands so they pulled it around 2010-11. If they could become profitable, it could happen again. Not going to get there with CUPW holding the line on gratuitous OT requests and refusal to make change
The corporate team incentive was a carrot they dangled in front of us during contract talks. We got paid once, then never saw it again. It amounted to maybe 400 bucks clear.
You’re not eliminating SSD, let it go it’s too late.. We’re also not getting 10% shake your head out union screwed that up also.. Just to salvage a contract I’d say 6% first year, 3.5% second year and 3% year 3 and 4.. don’t expect much because CUPW has set us up to fail again.. Management definitely should be cut especially execs, but good luck with that, time will have them cut.. RSMC’S should have never been part of us, they should’ve been left as contractors.. Time to remove CUPW and Bring in Teamsters, after 30+ years of failed negotiations, it’s time for a change..
“I don’t think many would agree, but this is what I would want”
What part of this was difficult to understand?
People need to listen to each other, otherwise you get 100+ failed meetings and a potential strike/lockout.
I am fully aware the deal is unlikely to look like this. My situation is different than many others. I just want to make a few extra bucks. As an OCRE, I know I will never get a dime from the pension. For me I want the smoothest possible logistics for meeting company, customer and my objectives on a daily basis. That means no SSD. It’s not a bad idea, maybe if starting fresh it could work, but the reality is that given the current setup it has not been a successful idea.
Your comment highlights two major problems with the culture here:
i) Accepting things that don’t work, as ‘just the way it is’.
And ii) Not listening to each other and then taking what is most important of our needs and wants and combining them into ac acceptable compromise.
But to do that you need a union that effectively communicates with its members and a company that fully understands it’s business and future requirements.
Why is there no posting here about CPC’s serving the lock out notice? They claim to be committed to reaching negotiated collective agreements, but it just show otherwise. Shame!
Inform yourself. It’s the legal wording for changing the terms of the agreement and doesn’t mean that they have to proceed with a lockout. Just like strike notice doesn’t have to end in a strike. It’s notice. Probably still going to happen on one side or the other though.
I just heard on the news today about the lock out notice. They say it’s not actually a lock out but a change of employment wording. What disappoints me is the “rotating strikes” CUPW is planning if no agreement by Friday. It failed last time so why do it again? We should go for a full strike this time!
Exactly. They hid behind wording. Just say we serve you with a lockout notice. Cowardly corporation isn’t. Can’t wait for the strike!
Once again the company is not being honest and upfront. They don’t tell you that they served a lockout notice, saw it originally reported on, global news still has it. But remember in Canada, the government owns the media, and CPC will try to block this coverage. Even on the CPC site when you log in, they say that because of the strike notice they will change the terms, but no mention that they will lock you out. Been here before, 2011. Came to work doors were locked with a note on it…it took three weeks to get ordered back to work. Shame on this company, not even trying
And yet you stayed
You are correct, they all stay. They will all stay and even when the new hires end up with a lesser contract, they will keep applying. These are good, safe, long term jobs. It would be more credible for them to complain if they hadn’t all started working here when they were 18. There is no reference point and a complete satchel blindness and lack of understanding. It’s not just about the route you walk for twenty years.
Of course I stayed. I’m fine with it, see you all in three weeks
Lock out notice posted on CUPW website..are you brand new..? What did you think would happen..? 3+ years of failed negotiations and you think the union cares.. lmao.. They take our money and spend for their lavish lifestyles. Management has so many lazy supervisors that get a bonus, but CUPW is a bigger joke, come election time for members they will be kissing our butts to get re-elected to do nothing.. Tell me you know nothing about negotiations by making a post wondering why we got a Lockout notice.. what a joke.. That’s how the world works, if CUPW didn’t waste over a year and a trip between to Cuba because they worked so hard 1 year out of the last 4 we wouldn’t need a councilator to finally get an offer.. CUPW you failed again, worse than the leafs not getting past round 1
There will be no lockout. It’s just a 72 hr notice to inform cupw that the terms of the collective agreement will no longer apply. It’s all up to the union on how they want to proceed. That is until the arbitrator get involved..
There might be a lockout. Doesn’t have to be but don’t say there wont be one.
Mark my words there WONT be one
CPC are using Canada labour code??? established under the Canada Labour Code. Canada Post has their own policy which can against any kinds of Canada labour code. When Canada Post terminated employee which without cause. Canada Post HR saying Canada Post policy no terminated pay or any kinds of severvance pay to terminated employee. Canada POst always against Canada labour code to bullies weak group. Canada labour code saying employer must pay those .
If CUPW was smart enough, it should just challenge Canada Post and sit down to negotiate a more balanced reasonable offer.
Wouldn’t that be nice. The key phrase is ‘if they were smart enough’.
Don’t understand what you’re saying at all. Yes the Canada Labour Code is the minimum standard for all employers in Canada. It is federal law. Canada Post must follow it even when we have no contract.
I think he means if CP terminates under the labor code they would owe severance whereas under the CA they would not, thanks CUPW for giving up severance.
You got it
You’ve got to love all of these people posting these anti-union statements that don’t even have the courage to post their name with their comment.
CUPW is famous for bullying those who challenge them – you wanna deny this?
You are correct, it is the opinion of those few that we are not to question anything the say. If you do then you are blacklisted. They are bullies and until we take charge they will always be bullies.
The second offer was not that bad. In my 35 years at CPC It was actually the highest wage increase ever. Now thanks to the 72 hour notice its all gone. Well done, we will be lucky to see half the first offer when this is all over. As for strike pay, a slap in the face not even a days pay. With todays economy who can survive on that. Best Christmas ever.
Maybe they’ll make a deal before Friday. 20% over 4 years is reasonable, they really do need to pad the offer to compensate for previous inflation. We need the top up.
7 day delivery is fine, ssd fine or not is not going anywhere, never was.
Leave current employees pension, vacation etc alone.
Let CP have their new 3rd classification. No to dynamic routing.
This is reasonable.
Gutting the new hires seems inevitable, unfortunate and not ideal but may be necessary to secure our future. Let the next bunch fight for their share, maybe then CUPW will be tossed when having a union is of no use.
I am worried about myself sorry, not sorry.
I agree. Let them fight when it is their time.
What is the 3rd classification?
SSD is NOT fine!!! You obviously don’t have to deal with it. You need to keep your selfish comment to yourself. We’re loaded down like pack mules every single day going door to door,
not cmb. Winter and darkness are coming. Injuries and brought back mail will sky rocket
It still isn’t going anywhere sorry.
Agreed
You’re nuts if you think ssd is going anywhere, no way.
I’d take this deal and if we have to sacrifice new hires so be it.
That’s what always happens wirh CUPW. It must be that their egos and lack of intelligence prevent them from compromising. The longer we’re out, the less chance we ever make up our lost wages.
We get screwed over yet again. Union is good for incompetent workers!
you are soo right,we have LCs who have never del a piece of mail,cant walk,cant even hold hold a slurpee,but the union protects them and trains them on our dues.shame on the union,for protecting the lazy
Union isn’t being greedy with the sick days. We were supposed to get 10 on top of the ones we already get @7. CP shortchanged us and only provided 6 making 13 but it should actually be 17.
Actually the mandated number of days is 10. Meant for industry with 0 during the pandemic.. So they really only needed to give us 3
I thought other federal workers got the 10 on top of what they already had as well. Maybe we get 15 total and call it even steven.
The 10 medical sick days will be get taken away from us as soon as the 💩Conservative Party 💩gets elected into power. Plus, mark my words, they will dismantling Canada Post even more causing more planned layoffs.
Who says we were supposed to. CUPW? 13 paid personal days is very generous for blue collar workers in Canada. Try to be realistic.
We had 7 and the feds gave 10 but CP only gave us 6 of those 10 which is why the union wants the 10 + our 7 making 17.
Hahaha, Spending the whole year to talk. Are you sure CPC??? When Other union asking 25% wage increase sucessed. Why CUPW step back to ask 15% wage increase
I hope cupw knows what they are doing…
Don’t worry, they don’t. How many contracts do they ever settle?
ok wow were to start 1st the money issue we are so under paid i cant believe that cleaners at hospitals and school as well as general warehouse workers are getting the same or more pay than us postal workers and 2nd thing is how many lies the CPC tells to the public and to us those new right hand drive trucks created for the CPC they promote them as goods gift to the working man and that the customers love them the mechanic’s love them and the operators love them well I’m an operator and all the other operators I’ve talked to don’t like them at all and that goes for the mechanic and customers witch I’ve talked to oh and they wasted a ton of money fitting useless spying computers in all our truck that should be gone soon our time is up with all those little transit`s oh ya why do they push HR on on us when really they should be paying interest in it as they truly believe in keeping the employee down I’ve seen many employees abused to tears and confusion i really worry about the physical and mental health of my coworkers
Po4s in depots get no clothes. No access to logistik not even to order a vest.
Yes, we do.
Just ask your supervisor or manager.
That’s my point. A po4 has no access to clothes at all and not even the option to order a vest.
You have to go to a supe just to get a vest. But no uniforms.
Why are po4s undeserving of a uniform. This is specifically po4s working in depots not the plant.
Yes they do. Sign into your logistics. Stop spreading false information.
What madness is this? One giant sentence that goes nowhere. You don’t like the new vehicles? You want to keep driving the old metal vans with a little vent for your driving pleasure? A million degrees in the summer and an icebox all winter. No thanks
The new trucks were set up mostly for letter mail? I thought Parcels is the new business model? No waste.
You know all our clothes are given to us at no cost to us I am surprised cupw hasn’t asked for socks and underwear in this demand goes with all the crazy crap they are asking for
…all this crazy crap we are asking for…like a decent living wage, protect our benefits and pension and provide safe staffing levels (safe for the employee AND the general public we serve).
Cupw is a laughing stock. Can’t negotiate a contract and can’t even strike properly.
Incompetent in every way. Don’t forget it is usually the laziest, worst workers in any depot or plant who are attracted to serve in CUPW. Good workers ignore the union as much as possible. Except when we no longer have a choice.
I hope we get back to work soon enough, I love my job.
Empathy
Respect
Be patient
Understanding
Communicate
Help
Interesting no update that they are planning to lock us out. Get ready for this company to go to the government for hand outs after they went on a 5 year spending spree. None of which was approved
CPC is still in control cupw will wish they took the 2nd global offer ..might need a new negotiating committee ones that are in touch of the real world …we are not needed as people think to much competition…take a look outside someone in your area is most likely delivering a parcel as we speak
Or how about a new union? Remember CUPW never let’s members vote on Canada Post’s offers until after the strike
/ lock-out when everyone has lost thousands. According to the National Labour Relations Board; if 30% of members sign a petition to decertify CUPW and replace it with the Teamsters (or another union) then a vote must be held to let all members decide. I know most members are actually good workers and would support replacing CUPW. I know I’d support this as long as none of the current executives at the national, regional or local level. Time for new ideas, and a replacement of the CUPW culture of failure. Settling two contracts in 30 years is not a good track record. There are competent, professional unions out there. CUPW Is not one of them.
Who is going to organize this? You?
Go ahead and do it if you can make sure the Teamsters don’t bleed us workers dry of union due increases and if they can make sure part-timers and casuals pay pro-rated union dues.
CUPW Vancouver is so useless that they purchased a hall we have never held General Membership Meetings at.
Instead they rent halls at $1500 -$2000 every Thursday or Sunday of each month.
They overprint too many copies of weekly and monthly bulletins, promoting too many fringe causes that doesn’t relate to our jobs as delivery agents. Instead of wasting so much paper which is bad for the environment why not just post only on union bulletin boards at depots/processing centers or their own website.
What a waste of money!
Plus why are depots and sorting facilities handing out RDOs for weekends in November and December every year to full timers who claim to be overworked? More money wasted.
Canada Post should give these weekends to part-timers or causals who don’t receive max. of 40 hours a week.
Remember, even casuals at $23 per hour who get less than 20 hours per week still pay full dues to CUPW. Totally fair and more miney for the union to waste.
I totally agree. All CUPW does is waste money. Just think; $1200 per year each for 58,000 members = more than $69 million dollars per year. For that money CUPW could easily retain the nest Labour- Relations law firm in Canada to handle all our negotiations and still habe plenty left over. Instead, we get the usual CUPW dream-team, and this is the result. Thanks CUPW.
Cuba my friend Cuba, and many more like it.
If CUPW is not ready for 7 days a week delivery, it would be a recipe for disaster. Every other competitor is doing it. The lettermails will keep reducing faster than you think. There is no going around flexibility in delivery if CPC has to be sustainable.
CUPW wants to go back to the seventies or eighties when Canada Post had almost no competition. The reality is, our company exists in 2024, and there’s lots and lots of competition. Yes, they all deliver seven days a week, usually well into the evening. The union thinks it’s helping members by wrecking the company that pays us all. Not exactly genius-level logic.
Couldn’t agree more. Even in anticipation of a strke the volumes are way down. CPC is in the driver’s seat. Wake up CUPW!! You can’t negotiate like you hold all the cards. These last 2 weeks just show that CP is not relevant like it was 20+ years ago. Only dependent customers are rural Canada and small businesses.
I agree…gone are the days that the public is willing to wait 4 days for a parcel because we don’t “work weekends” Such nonsense CPC will win this one!
Why doesn’t CUPW understand that there is no going around delivering 7 days a week. All competitors are doing it. The letter mails will keep reducing. Delivering 5 days a week for 8 hrs a day is a recipe for disaster.
Question.why we employees did not have option to wote on a second deal that CP was proposing?
Because CUPW never lets us vote on proposals…then we end up with worse contracts…ALWAYS! And CPC knows this, so why keep negotiating? One side is as bad as the other
That’s a good new motto for CUPW; Less is more! As in the final imposed settlement will be less than Canada Post’s current offer.
100% agree.
“Less is more “ just like Charmin toilet 💩 paper.
We don’t vote on every deal offered never have
Of course CUPW would never let us vote on Canada Post’s current offer. We might accept it. Instead we all get to lose thousands to support CUPW.
We have no say…sadly. Only get to vote on one Cupw presents to us….which should of been the last one
CP just gave 72 hr lock out notice.
Thanks cupw
Yep-never got the chance to vote and now it’s too late.
I wonder how many of the 55,000 CUPW members actually turned up to vote.
20,000 – 22,000?
If it was less than half the union membership, I would say the strike vote is not credible and should have been taken as a grain of salt.
Hence 🔩 CUPW for calling a 72 hour strike so close to Christmas. 🔩 Canada Post for not giving into the most critical parts of our union demands. A bunch of Scrooges.
We’ll never ever know. I say less than 10,000. Most unions publish exact numbers of members who voted. That’s not the CUPW way.
Irrelevant. You guys wasting energy worrying about the wrong thing. We need Fight for us and ourselves now. Worry about dealing with union later
No where does it say that in any corporation statement. Only union. The corporation released a statement that the terms of our collective agreement would no longer apply, but that does not mean a lockout.
All part of negotiations
Or did they? It says Canada Post has issued the 72 hour lock-out notice o the CUPW site. But it’s nowhere on the Canada Post site. We know CUPW wants a lock-out desperately so they can blame the company. Everyone knows a deal was within reach. This is totally CUPWs fault, as always. I hope everyone is ready to lose thousands of dollars for our union execs temper tantrum.
Exactly, union execs will sink us like always and raise our dues while they party in Cuba on our dine.. Over 30+ years of unsuccessful negotiations. Absolute joke, time for a new union, those clowns at CUPW only come around when it’s time to reelect them again.. They never cared, we will lose money and they will get paid. All the union execs should be fired, but most importantly let’s get a real Union that cares.. Teamsters is all about logistics and they have never lost a contract or taken a year to negotiate like these Bozo’s.. Bunch of thugs and neanderthals
Lockout notice is just a way to legally say we’re changing the terms of the working conditions.. there will be no lockout people!! No lockout. Strike maybe but no lockout..
How about a negotiated contract? That would of course require adult behavior and compromise on both sides.
The union is spending all their resources on hammering out a contract. But believe you me they won’t spend an ounce of energy enforcing anything.
What does that even mean?
If they do reduce hours, or adjust staffing, vacation leave etc you will get that money and vacation time back, don’t panic. They are just posturing nothing more. Once a bully, always a bully.
Pretty sure that if and when you are laid off there is no repayment of that time. Vacation will still be available after, but that isn’t the same thing. How is it bully behavior? You were solidified in your defiance. This is not more aggressive than any of the CUPW actions. Doesn’t make sense to have a full roster doing nothing when only a couple of people will do.
Ok, by your logic then, I guess we should reduce staffing levels for supervisor, and upper management employees because they will have nothing to do and “only a couple will do”. If there is any reduction in hours, vacation etc we will get that time and money back through the grievance process. It will not be remedied overnight but you will get it back.
Only ‘term Supervisors’ can be laid off, not permanent. Your vacation quota is ‘pre-loaded’ at the beginning of the leave year with the assumption you will work the full year, your vacation quota will be reduced based on the length of the strike or lockout; your pension will also be affected. You can’t file a grievance for a reduction in hours or vacation as there is no collective agreement in place as of Friday; members voted for a strike, there are repercussions.
Not true at all. Any vacation time lost during previous strikes were placed back in leave balances in the grievance process. Yes any time on strike is not pensionable. In no situation in the past where the two sides were at a standoff was there a reduction in hours, or layoffs. It was a full walkout, rotating strikes, or a full lockout. We are heading for binding arbitration no matter what path is taken, just like the corporation likes it.
And yes it is bully behaviour. Any memos or letters we get internally is followed up with the line “up to and including discharge”. This threat by Canada Post is no different. It is meant to encourage division and panic among the union members by stoking fear of layoffs or loss of vacation time. I am in no way a huge union cheerleader, just speaking on years of experience with this company.
I guess your logic expands to all Canada Post employees. Why keep full staff company wide if there is any reduction in hours when only a couple will do.
At some point that will happen, but not yet. Hiring freeze already, so that fringe roles will be weeded out
Don’t fold. Stay united
Vacation and personal time will most likely be lowered from lock out friday to the date of official return and reflected in adjusted leave balances upon resolution.
Any money lost will probably not be recovered but any signing bonus or back pay from a raise will create the illusion that it is. Any cream from a negotiated agreement will be diluted the longer we’re out
They’ve had more than a year to get an agreement and, realistically, both sides are at fault for letting it get this far
It’s embarrassing
I agree 💯 % both sides are to blame and it is embarassing!
Yup
Actually CUPW is the bully and it is the dues paying members who will suffer for the unions failure to reach a deal. They’re always sure to make their demands so excessive Canada Post can’t possibly agree. If Canada Post offers 11.75%, CUPW doesn’t ask for 18 (leading to a possible compromise at 15), they ask for 23%. If Canada Post offers 13 paid personal days (a big improvement from the current 6) CUPW demands 17. They want the strike, now it’s a lock-out. The union can blame everything on Canada Post when really an agreement was well within reach. When every member has lost lots of money, and the company has lost even more business, we’ll finally be ordered back. Eventually there will be an imposed settlement. Of course it’ll be worse than Canada Post’s current offer. As usual for the geniuses at CUPW!
I’m a longtime employee and both sides have had a year to get this done instead of messing with the lives of employees they know how tough times are for everyone financially with the cost of living and at this time a year when families with small children want to give them a nice Christmas. It hard enough to make ends meet for a lot of people how about we fire the people at the top that get big bonuses for a business that is losing money and sell the new plant that’s not being used and all the trucks sitting and not being used stop messing with our lives and act like proper business people and get this done. I know the corporation is hoping they get binding arbitration and they will get what they want shame on you Canada post!!
Thanks for your input! Captivating post from a long term employee.
Yes. Be united
Can someone explain how it took over a year and 100 plus meetings to get to where we are at? This does not add up. I don’t think they did anything for the past year at all.
Our employer speaks to us with a threatening tone on an ongoing basis. We have all become numb and accustomed to this tone. I grew up working for this Corporation. I am putting in 37 years. Currently on year 31 and this notice is exactly what I expected. Typical to say the least.
Obviously you are a company man with all those years in- crappy company-bad company-not.
It’s been an absolute downward slope of disrespect. The only reason why we stick around is because the only benefit is baked into longevity. The defined benefit pension plan. Believe me I would have been gone 20 years ago if it wasn’t for it. I certainly don’t stick around for eroded pay and ongoing disrespect that I see daily on the floor from inexperienced supervisors that are here just for a paycheck that know very little about the history of our employer.
Right-cany get paid what you are getting anywhere else is more like it.
Blame and point fingers like usual.
Yes. Plz stay strong
This is a very nice repayment for all the extra work done during Covid. Where Canada post broke records daily and made mountains of cash on their workers backs! Not to mention the extension of a poor contract to ensure minimal stress during Covid times and to keep the product moving for all Canadians. Shame on Canada Post.
Cmon, a bunch of CUPW “workers “ lied about having Covid while posting events and parties on instagram.
This comment here is typical of a common supervisor’s condescending tone that we all experience on a daily basis. A “bunch”, what does that even mean? How does this apply to the over 55,000 employees here? Oh sure, paint everyone with the same brush. How typical of you.
A supervisor in our city was fired for faking they had covid
Oh so one employee’s misconduct is representative of all?
I can’t count how many times some people had covid. 10days, 10days, 10days again.
Yes, lying employees. Sickening how some abused a serious health issue.
Funny as there was supervisors doing the EXACT same thing while claiming to be on “high risk” leave. Seen it.
CP didn’t make any money during covid, Parcels are a money loser. All they did was help Amazon……Then they created a parcel company which is now huge…. then divested of it.
Isn’t that great use your advantage to borrow money cheaply (as a crown corp) to create your competition using your advantages.
lol
Parcels are a money loser? Why are they investing so heavily into something that loses money?
They invested in parcels to cut the cost to process parcels…..Its a business decision they made, Its called return on invested Capital……Now if they Close Gateway and process at that new plant cost will fall….The bread and butter is mail, registered mail. Canada Post has never made any kind of profit on Parcels…..Maybe they will in the future….
Covid was a span of time for lying, stealing and cheating employees to abuse endless uneeded overtime and buy themselves teslas.
It’s what’s expected. If business declines layoffs occur. It’s not fair that benefits get cut off tho
But you can thank CUPW for this and once we’re forced to arbitration we can expect a lower raise and none of CUPW demands will get accepted either.
Wait till you see the letter coming to your house on Friday. You may not get to see any arbitration.
Never made sense to me that CPC was hiring people like crazy when we don’t have work…also this company needs to layoff people that can’t do their job properly, and keep all those who’s hard work gives CPC brand a good reputation, and a felling to costumers that Cpc can be trusted to do the work.
The union defends them instead of allowing the company to fire them.
Management is too incompetent to terminate them properly. That’s why they get brought back after an arbitration or court.
This is how employees would always be treated if we didn’t stick together as a union. No pension, no benefits, minimal staff. When after a couple years you can no longer do the job you will be replaced by some other person that is “just happy to have a job”. Then CPC will have to go the way of the greenhouse and agricultural sector and staff with the only people who will do this kind of work for minimal pay. Migrants from impoverish countries.
Well if you “can’t do the job” you shouldn’t have the job!
Those are people that ruin it for those of us who give 100% every day!
You missed the point of the original poster genius.
Save your breathe Michael. I think most people understood.
Read the post again sherlock
Once again the corporation resorts to threats against employees. We should be used to it, it’s a daily thing we just learned to live with. My supervisor will now have more time to play on his iPhone now that we’ll be locked out.
No where does it say we’ll get locked out. The lockout information is wrong. Just changes in the collective agreement
This is what the corporation wanted all along. It’ll either be rotating strikes, or a lockout, followed by binding arbitration so they can really stick it to us. After 32 years it’s the same playbook.
Lockout notice is just a way to legally say we’re changing the terms of the working conditions.. there will be no lockout people!! No lockout. Strike maybe but no lockout..
Hopefully CPC looks at all our files and start laying off all crappy staff.
It would to get of crappy employees when their records get expunged after 1 year.
It would be hard to get rid of crappy employees when their records for two- fours get expunged after 1 year.
Both CUPW and CPC are to blame, it is not all one sided. I have lost all faith in CUPW for this and other reasons. They have proven time and again they are just as bad as CPC. Just remember who gave the 72 hour notice.
It was a matter of time before we would have been locked out,
No where does it say lockout
Ayes it does
Cpc says deadline Friday 8am meaningful negotiations or lockout. All over web
CUPW is trying to con us to pay more for union dues so they spend it for people to work on arts & crafts, give away free money to marginalized useless people, take all expenses paid (vacation retreats) accommodations they claim as shop courses, and conventions.
Great job CUPW.
You and Canada Post have finally lost my support and confidence.
100%
We should pay more dues when CUPW can never, ever, ever settle a contract? Other unions do it all the time. Not good old CUPW. Oh well, hope the execs enjoy their next trip to Cuba.
Great job!
This could have been avoided if the corporation negotiated in good faith from the beginning.
Nice way to screw your workers over only a month and half before Christmas.
I could not have mistaken Canada Post being a bunch of Grinches.
Thanks for running Christmas.
*ruining (sp.)
Plus,
Why don’t you start laying off management while you’re at it?
There will be less workers to babysit.
Continue to spit in the face of all employees, brilliant.
This is similar to the slap in the face offers you have sent out recently.
Here’s a suggestion, pay your employees, the face of the company better, and ACTUALLY work with the Union, rather than overpaying your executives over half a million dollars. Ignoring the fact that your employees need proper benefits and wages in-line with today’s cost of living.
CORRECT!!!
Some days they don’t even realize multiple routes didn’t go out.. twice in 2 weeks some routes did not get any manual mail in an SSD depot.. do you believe CPC can look at every single route every morning and decide what routes are over or under and make staffing arrangements at the spot, at that moment? I don’t think so. CPC is keep blaming business environment, competition, fair wages or what not for failures but never taking any responsibility of mismanaging the company.
Totally agree!
This all could of been avoided if CP just bargained in good faith and actually moved on items of importance
Layoff could happen just the beginning thank you cupw for the Xmas present
Blaming the wrong people. This is all on CPC.
No …both equally to blame
Explain please.
they refuse to give us more but continue to hire more managers.
My depot definitely needs
More supervisors. There’s only two full time supervisors staffing 45 routes and 8 other supervisors just sitting at their desk doing who knows what.
In our depot there is one supervisor who does his workout of push-ups and sit-ups as soon as we leave the building.