CUPW negotiations: New terms and conditions of employment come into effect
November 15, 2024, 07:10 am
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On November 12, we received strike notices from CUPW. Canada Post responded by notifying the union that unless new agreements were reached, the current collective agreements for both the Urban and RSMC bargaining units no longer apply as of today.
As of Friday, November 15 at 8 a.m. ET, employees in the Urban and RSMC bargaining units have changes to their terms and conditions of employment. Among other important changes, staffing levels are being reduced for the Urban bargaining unit and vacation leave is being cancelled for both bargaining groups. It’s very important that you familiarize yourself with the changes.
Weeks of labour uncertainty have significantly eroded Canada Post’s volumes and severely impacted the company’s finances. Canada Post must make adjustments to its operations, as allowed under the Canada Labour Code, based on its current operational realities and business needs.
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- Read a summary PDF about the changes to the terms and conditions of employment for Urban unit employees.
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Who Holds the Power in the Canada Post Strike?
The ongoing Canada Post strike has escalated into a significant political battle, highlighting tensions within Canada’s parliamentary system. Traditionally, government intervention resolves such labor disputes, but the dynamics this time are more complicated.
The Liberal government, reliant on NDP support to maintain its minority status, faces a political quandary. The NDP has threatened to withdraw its backing if the Liberals force postal workers back to work, prioritizing its pro-union stance. Meanwhile, the Conservatives appear indifferent to the strike’s fallout, seeing potential alignment with their long-term goal of downsizing Canada Post.
Despite repeated Conservative attempts to trigger a vote of no confidence, the NDP continues to prop up the Liberals, ensuring Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government remains in power. However, critics suggest Trudeau is prioritizing political survival over addressing the broader national impact of the labor dispute.
NDP leader Jagmeet Singh has also drawn scrutiny, with questions emerging about his party’s ability to balance union advocacy with the needs of the wider population. As Singh stays largely out of the spotlight, his party’s actions—or lack thereof—risk overshadowing its traditional image as a champion for workers.
This strike seems to be going nowhere fast.
The Canada Post strike has turned into a big political issue. Usually, when there’s a strike, Canada Post asks the government to send workers back to their jobs, and then someone steps in to help both sides make a deal. But this time, things are tricky.
The Liberal Party is in charge, but they need help from the NDP to stay in power. The NDP says they’ll stop supporting the Liberals if they force workers to go back to work. Meanwhile, the Conservatives don’t mind if Canada Post gets smaller because that fits their goals for when they take over.
The Conservatives tried to make the government lose a vote in the House of Commons, but they failed because the NDP keeps backing the Liberals. As long as the Liberals avoid sending Canada Post workers back, they stay in power, even if it’s causing problems for the rest of the country. For Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, it seems like staying in charge is the most important thing right now.
I don’t think 7 day delivery is a big deal for customers. Has anybody done any non partisan survey. What happens if CPC still keeps losing money.
govt will need to give cpc tax payer’s money and cut stuff on others
We need to work weekends but let’s get real you cannot legitimately think paying us full timers overtime is sustainable on a regular long term basis. How about this ??? offer part time positions to retirees . Any thoughts ?
Good plan, I think that as long as the union can retain its membership count, somehow that is appealing to them, more union dues means business is business
I’ve been with CPC for 31 years. The day I started the trainers told our group of casuals ” don’t expect to be hired full time because letter mail is steadily declining, if this bothers you leave now”. It is declining !! now our grip on parcels is being taken away by the unscrupulous gig worker competition. How can we compete with that ? How can CPC top brass and CUPW not see this coming ? Even if we are justified in our demands the fact remains that the people are not on our side this time. We are trashed in most news articles and social media comments. CPC spends millions but report losses. 450million plant in Scarborough is not talked about in the news when they report on our losses. How about the top heavy management? Our union must go on offensive and run ads prior to bargaining process to educate the public.
You are correct the public who faces the reality of a free market economy does not support Canada Post employees artificially preventing change / modernization and keeping wages elevated (8 hour shift done in 5 hours with OT beyond that in addition to weekend OT) doesn’t exist for this type of labour in a modern economy. Therefore it is out of touch with the reality for most Canadians and small businesses who have none of these luxuries (how many bankable sick days or flex days does a small business owner get?) and are being impacted. No one is arguing mail isn’t important, but who delivers the mail is increasingly irrelevant to most people – so let’s not forget that. The union has dug a massive hole for all employees as when volumes decrease expontentially because of this – it’s game over. Small businesses who are seeing their bottom line impacted will not rush back to CPC – you’re hurting their livelihoods. I hope it was worth it.
When you are posting as anonymous and telling everybody that you are the best worker and the guy beside you is the worst worker that tells a lot about you than it tells about your neighbor.
I have not supported this fudged votes strike as soon the union came around trying to persuade us to say yes to basically give up your rights. Cupw cant be that foolish if they really believe they will ever have the upper hand over cpc. Each day I go out to stand around to earn my less than min wage as cupw has left us this or nothing, My frustration grows and my desire to stop picketing increases. This striking is nothing but a waste of time and maybe we should all stop picketing to show cupw it’s not proving anything. There is all this mention of declassifying cupw what are we waiting for let’s do this, enough is enough cupw has go to go. How do we do it?
Personally I went from hopeful to frustrated, from frustrated to angry , and now angry to embarrassed
Both parties should be appalled with their lack of true commitment to getting a negotiated contract- over 1 year is ridiculous
Sorry, but its time for federal intervention, and for binding arbitration and for both parties to lick their wounds- time to bid adieu to the irresponsible administration that supposedly runs this company, and it is time for a new approach to negotiating – CUPW ( or any union) should NOT have the power to control the destinies of the members that they claim to represent- ALL OFFERS should be presented and voted on-END OF STORY
Yes I feel that there is this little game going on. Are all the People that have Union positions going without any Pay? Can we have a Vote on ousting the Union? Can Common Sense prevail in this Rat’s Nest? Can someone of the Upper Echelon devise a Decent Offer that we could sign and instantly dissolve the Union, if it was a majority approval? Sick of all the B.S.
If we can get enough members which I’m sure more than enough we could decertify the union and bring in Teamsters. Teamsters treats their members with respect and always successfully get a contract signed in less than 3 months. CUPW has abused its members long enough, it’s time for them to be removed..
I agree
Agree.
We’ll get ready for legislation.. same ole same ole. Ends in arbitration..
Makes what we did absolutely pointless. As of Wednesday we’ll have lost 3% of our wages this year. Now we won’t get a raise til 2027 ish and it’ll be less than 12% so with our loss of 3 it’s less than 9% over 4yr period
We will never make it up ever
Arbitration with CPC on life support and the CDN public livid and small businesses shifting their parcels to other carriers permanently. A “deal” in the short term is far from the last word for concessions employees will now have to stomach 1-2 years from now because of this strike. Also, deliver the parcels currently being held hostage by CPC. Those are not your items, you’re just choosing not to deliver them to their rightful owners.
This is the math that we want to ignore. Every offer should be put to a vote by all the members..
I am disappointed the Union made the decision it did as the members claim to care about CP customers yet mail and parcels are sitting going nowhere. Our regular business customer may get fed up and make different shipping arrangements. At least with a rotating strike customers do not suffer as much. Workers also suffering now with no pay or benefits while this continues!!!!
We know all that. Rotating strikes make no impact what so ever. They’ve been negotiating for a year, they should have a deal already!! Both sides are ridiculous!
Exactly 👍
This year management and supervisors and above have been paid over 150 million in bonuses alone. Plus they get expenses and insurance for their own vehicle when we have tons of CPC paid for vans to use. Manager needs to cut the fat of there staff half the supervisor could be remote from India at 1/5 the cost. Answering phone calls no need for 14 a depot to do that
Did you dream up these numbers? You must have taken a blue to the head if you believe them. You realize that someone driving their own car is a fraction of the cost of a corporate owned vehicle right? Nobody is getting insurance paid for and if they had vehicles, imagine what that would look like? So much money. While you advocate for cutting staff, think about where the real cuts could be made
I am disappointed the company made the decision to treat its employees as non entities as it claims to care about them and their families yet does nothing to rectify the problem they themselves call so dire yet created of their own accord and volition. Our regular business customer may get fed up and make different shipping arrangements as the company has done absolutely nothing to even attempt an actual realistic resolution in over a year. At least with a rotating strikes the corporation will not suffer as much with champagne, caviar and king crab shipments not being disrupted to management after spending part of their bonuses Workers also suffering now with no pay or benefits while this continues as the company does not care as to who lives or dies without their medications or disabilities even though employees contribute to those plans.
$34-$36 is not an unreasonable wage for CUPW members by any means. I think it’s a fair wage for the work being performed.
The issue in my eyes is that CUPW workers are extremely overstaffed and underworked. The same could be said about management. Fair wage but extremely overstaffed and underworked.
Anyone that’s been around for sometime and has seen a thing or two knows with certainty this company should reduce staff by 25% just as a starting point and go from there.
100% correct
Absolutely for management and supervisors. They cut routes less cupw del mail then hire 3 more supervisors and another superintendent( which receive a min 4 % bonus ) cupw letter carriers are run with bare minimum staff now 5 years ago over staffed now under again no one wants to work for 19 and hour and in the winter conditions walking for 6 hrs the. Driving around picking up parcels. They need the parcel hub again. Which worked reg pay on weekends. L CPC did this not cupw. CPC decided parcels we not important in 2011. Now went oops we guessed wrong
There is no minimum 4% bonus. Stop pretending you are educated about this. 4% is never achieved and the norm is 1-2.5% if anything. It’s At Risk, which means you might not get it and in order to get it, you have documented quarterly reviews and expectations to live up to. Nothing like your role, where showing up is half the battle.
Is it just me or are the feds stalling on a cpc back to work mandate because they cant or because cpc has a hidden agenda up their sleeve? smoke and mirrors maybe they even plan to get rid of us one way or another and start cpc from ground up from a fresh perspective. While effectively declassifying this shamble of a union. Any word on buyouts? Gladly leave this divisive sinking ship. Wont be a pension for me in 13 years.
I agree!
Agreed!
The average federal employee wage is in the $35 range. Whats the hold up (out)? Especially when we were asked and obliged to help out by extending last contract for 2 years for measly 2%
Amazon workers planning a strike for Black Friday in 30 countries Canada included. Let’s get a deal now and make that green!
We’ll get forced back just like in 2018 and get arbitrated a contract and lose because our useless union fighting for the corporation to pay for gender/sexy changes. Why would the corporation be responsible for someone who made the decision to be another gender..? Wtf is the union doing because nobody pays for that. Get a contract you Goons, tyrants, Bozo’s.. You look like a pathetic excuse holding up everyone who wants to work, let alone not having anyone’s cheques ready as well.. Disorganized bunch of weirdos who can’t even prepare properly, at this rate we’re getting ordered back and will lose again, another CUPW success, screw the members and raise their dues while failing again. How about look decent in front of the media as well, since you’re stealing our money get a darn suit and look presentable.. Bunch of Bozo’s
Doesn’t the union always lose.
The union probably lawyers like Lionel Hutz, Attorney at Law, from the Simpson to represent them.
It would help if CUPW negotiators actually dress up and look presentable when they are in front of office setting. Most of them look like thugs and homeless.
What’s wrong with long hair and Led Zepelin tee shirts?
Well said!
Yes I feel that there is this little game going on. Are all the People that have Union positions going without any Pay? Can we have a Vote on ousting the Union? Can Common Sense prevail in this Rat’s Nest? Can someone of the Upper Echelon devise a Decent Offer that we could sign and instantly dissolve the Union, if it was a majority approval? Sick of all the B.S.
Great to know that. 👍 Thanks
How can raises be demanded if this company is losing billions of dollars? My business is suffering because I use Canada Post. Absolutely I will have to go elsewhere to get these parcels delivered. Many businesses will have to do this! This will cause even more loses for Canada Post. I know I don’t have all the facts but unless money is coming in how can more money go out? If mail isn’t being delivered, people will use alternatives. Then no one will have a job let alone a raise.
I am a proud 25 year member of CUPW and a employee of Canada Post I am going to speak the truth here I do realise our raises were only 2% over the past few years but one thing CUPW never speaks about is the COLA adlustments we received . Approx $4000 over the past 2 years. Add that to your 2% and now you are at 5% I guess CUPW forgot to mention it in media reports
The COLA is just a temporary fix to get you to negotiations so you can negotiate a proper wage. Those aren’t permanent increases they’re one-time payments. The inflation didn’t go anywhere. It’s not one-time inflation.
You still have the COLA though, that wasn’t going away. It did its job when it was higher inflation.
When it was higher… prices are still up and CP only was obligated to pay cola till the contract expired. Now the correction needs to be made with permanent wage increases that allows us to catch up with the amount of cost of living that we incurred over the last 6 years.
That’s not how things work. Do you give back when things go down in price? Unlikely
And when exactly do prices ever go back down? They went up 15- 18 % at its peak and while now inflation is down to 2 (for now) prices are still high. Don’t need to be a mathematician to see we are still 13-17% down overall at the very least. So get off your misguided high horse and let’s get on with it.
Your government caused massive inflation by printing trillions of dollars and shutting down the economy and you think your employer should should compensate you for it? You do realize that it wasn’t just COL that increased but everything became more expensive. Including everything that makes up CPC operating costs. The entire company needs to be restructured and all the fat needs to be trimmed from both sides
When I got hired 25 years ago the management was putting the sad song in our ears about declining letter mail volumes. We know by the skewd numbers in the volume counts that they can say anything they want with zero consequences. Now they are crying because they are down 8 million parcels. Well yes you are. We have been on strike. Remember. We will be missing out on all those million parcel a day days during black Friday. The money that will be lost will make our wage demands seem trivial.
Just remember there is no CUPW without CPC. You wont have a wage if Canada Post isn’t around. Tell your union to stop striking everytime there is a renewal of your collective agreement. No other union at canada post does that. CUPW are not the only employees being impacted by your unions greed.
Exactly well said, all union greed punishing the workers and raising our dues to line their pockets.. The union is a bunch of nobodies.. A child can negotiate better than those clowns..
There’s no Canada Post without us. We do all the work we generate the revenue.
You don’t generate a single penny of revenue. Delivering is important and the end result of someone else generating revenue by selling the service over the competitors and attracting new customers. You generate as much revenue as a hand cart, or a CMB. Nothing more than a business tool, one that costs money but makes none of it. Which is fine by the way, but keep that in mind.
Therefore, for the same reason the revenue generators should be fire immediately, revenues has been lost over years, and cost centers are doing their parts for years. It is true revenue from letter mails are declining, but at the same time parcel business been increasing. Which company will keep the loss making revenue generating teams for years, other than Canada post.
You can generate sales to your hearts content with all the admail that immediately goes into recycling or landfills in your quest to “” green “” Canada post. Without us to deliver it to OUR customers YOUR fat cheque selling garbage sits uncashed as it piles up at the printers shop or the depot so give your head a shake
Well buddy, the admail that goes into the recycling bin first goes through the RVU where the money comes in. Whatever happens after that is between the receiver and their consumer needs. How do you think you get paid by the way?
No, you don’t do all the work and generate the revenue. Do you think that you are the only people who work here? You are the last step of many that generates the work you get paid to do. Get off your all-mighty high horse and accept that you aren’t better than anyone else who works here.
So many people in those offices making a day of small talk and breaks generating huge revenue for cpc haha what a joke you all are.
how are things going while were not doing all the work there, soup?
That’s because every other union benefits and rides the coat tails of CUPW. They leave the dirty work and the loses to us, but ultimately reap the rewards. Your welcome!
Oh no 8 million parcels. What will we do? I guess deliver them over a couple days. Oh no problem solved.
You don’t have to figure out how to deliver those, since they are already gone with your competitors. 8 million is nothing compared to what will be lost, so stop being so flippant about this. Maybe your service isn’t required anymore, oh wait, you are older and entitled so you will still be able to do the half day thing.
Our “competitors” include purolater which aren’t really competitors. Im sure even the ex milk and chocolate salesman has enough brains to redirecting as much as possible to them so cpc still making money quietly on the side while crying poor!!
CUPW wants a 20% increase in pay over 4 years to cover inflation ???? That would be a 5% increase each year, while the annual inflation rate is currently 2%. So a P04 with the highest rate of pay currently at $29.18 would then make around $36 an hour. In what other company does a person who works on the plant floor feeding and sorting packages/parcels make $36? And that doesn’t even include shift premiums, overtime, etc. It’s ridiculous!
It’s obviously insane and totally out of touch. We are here waiting to work, unpaid, just to hear that ridiculous demands like these are are being discussed and delaying unnecessarily our going back to work
I would also ask your union how much they get paid. Because if your union dues are around $90 a month (give or take) and there are 55000 members that $59,000,000 a year.
Finally to read some decent comment on here!
Not sure where you’re getting those inflation numbers, but inflation has been as high as almost 7% hasn’t been as low as 2% in over 4 years.
$29, $36 per hour would be great! Rural driver here with own car making $22/h (less for others with a larger route).
Car compensation is $.62/km. That not enough to cover gas and regular maintenance on the required SUV, not to mention new breaks every year (yep!), and a new transmission once in my car’s lifetime. Drops my income to $22/h. Now that’s not a living wage.
Love the rally in scarborough. Fist in the air. Feeling uphoria. I can see the light. Woo. Did any of you ask your leader not mentioning names why she is still paid with benefits and the workers are not. I good leader would bypass her salary and benefits and stand with the unpaid workers. Now that would be the right thing to do! Not even coffee and donuts. Something to think about.
Our leader Fiddle would approve of this message! Keep up the good fight brother!
You do only work 4 hours and get paid 8 for it. You start early skip breaks skip lunch run and do the job in every way it’s NOT suppose to be done. You complain about time values yet do nothing to show cpc that this values are incorrect. Try working overtime and doing the job the way its suppose to be done. Then along comes ssd and load leveling and youre all shocked at its effects. And then you expect clerks to lose pay so you can still go home in 4 hours. Letter carriers whine and complain about EVERYTHING. Grow up and do the job properly and stop crying about it!
If LCs are finishing under 8h in part it’s because of lack of work… also many have 2nd jobs, since CP wage are no longer good in today economy, so either CP gives LCs more work, or increase wages so LCs don’t need to have a 2nd and 3rd job… have you considered becoming an LC so you can also benefits of those LC perks?
They are trying to give them more work, they don’t want it. They prefer to keep their pay and do less, no wait, more pay and do less…
Awesome! Yeah, I have had enough of this common Grade 8 Mentality at Canada Post and the Union thinking they are the Mafia. Those Days are over with fighting for Our Rights! Anyone who was hired before 2012 should be thankful for a great paying Job. The Union screwed it up for all those hired after 2012! The Post Office is Dysfunctional and the Jig is up. How can the Union stall this damn Negotiation with a belief that the Post Office doesn’t have to compete with the competition. The Union thinks it can change how the Economy Works and that Gig Work is for Slaves only??? This is like kids in a school dictating to the Principal about how much homework and time they want to be at school. The Corporation is burning $$$ and the Union is saying… You can’t hire more Part Time employees? What other business will tolerate the employees stating how they want to work on a weekend. Trying to Win against the System is Futile. Our Government is Pathetic with the fact it has not Fixed the Post Office by now. How can we believe in any of this anymore?
there are some really crazy comments on here, seems to me, a lot of paid chills from both sides are pushing their narratives and muddying the waters….. i think comments should be disabled, so people can start thinking clearly again about the REAL issues at hand.
This issue here is that negotiations are going at a snails pace, meanwhile the workers need to pay their bills, and because of two hard heads we dont have work, and with CP loosing so much while people turn other companies to deliver their items, CP may never be the same again, I’m sure the workers once again will take the hit, either buy cuts in the collective agreement, or in the form of mass layoffs
That CPC even has a comments page is proof they don’t give a crap about making money. Fire the person(s) censoring comments on here already
Thanks for not making any sense. That checks out with most of your views I bet.
That CUPW does not even have a comment page just shows how they are really listening to their memebers. Decertify the union and get rid of all the slackers. Make CPC Great Again!
Who cares about the cleaning staff and the future get a FN deal for employees that are working now
Please CUPW could u concetrate on actual employees that pay dues to you every month and are losing thousands of dollars. So disheartening, wasting everyone’s time. Our only hope at this point seems like arbitrarion, as usual!
Not a very encouraging post by the union after a weekend of Negotiations. Some on here have mentioned the unprofessional clothing, news releases by CUPW seem Angry and Hostile. Angry and Hostile = Losing.
I am angry and hostile and CPC is laying people off. Being nice is for the birds…
Super unprofessional for “representatives”. Repeating talking points in a robotic fashion, yeah – that will win over CDN population who is negatively affected and livid not at CPC but the EMPLOYEES who voted 90%+ for the strike mandate. End result a month of lost wages employees (financial hardship for some) and a govt mandate to go back with CPC on life support financially.
CUPW supporting the People who burn Canadian flags, Hamas and other terrorist organizations on our dime. They should not be involved in anything political or otherwise.. Time to Decertify these Terrorist supporters and bring Canada Post back to Canadians.. Bunch of Marxists spreading anti-Semitism.. which is illegal and will result in jail and huge fines..
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-union-of-postal-workers
It’s a same, but the government changed in the US and it will also change in Canada soon.
A change to the government in Canada will lead to a change in Senior leadership at Canada Post…. that couldn’t come soon enough.
Everybody keep in mind, the union went to Cuba during our negotiations, the union took the weekend off when the new mediator was assigned, the union has booked Niagara falls for their education BS all during negotiations. The negotiating committee is staying in a 5 star hotel with 5 meals a day on our dime during negotiations, the union also has a failed track record of only 2 contracts signed in over 30+ years while the rest in arbitration. We’re outside in the weather while they barely show up on picket lines, we’re running out of wood to keep warm at sites which is their responsibility to provide us, no union in the country has dragged their members consistently over 13+ months consistently over the years. They have to have some accountability for this BS. Also keep in mind they’re asking for gender therapy/surgery to be covered by corporation which is not their responsibility, so everyone better understand how they’re dragging on this and bringing RSMC’s priority as well.. What a flipping joke CUPW has made us look in the public eye, for the business we will lose that won’t return and failing Canadians.. Shame on you CUPW
Agreed 100%
How about mandatory retirement at 35 years, that would remove a few people.
Only Canada Post it’s a human rights issue.
How about stop hiring those cry babies who got in yesterday as art timers and now want FT jobs with OT and everything.
Some people have 40+ 50+ and even 60+ years of seniority. They don’t contribute to our pensions and they should remove that Human rights BS to hire people who will secure our pensions instead of these who are getting 2 pays and can’t even walk without a cane or walker. They should enforce the 50lbs rule, if you can’t lift 50lbs you have to retire.. Were not a retirement home likes it becoming
Monday…it’s been 10 days now and very little update…both sides really should be so ASHAMED of themselves,here we go again an arbitrated contract😡Plus in my city, we are lucky to get a honk an hour showing public support.And no other union out in support,this is my 4th strike and I’m starting to get very nervous about this not so much for myself I’m leaving soon but gee this doesn’t look good😢
Exactly, but I still blame CUPW because they dragged this 13months, went to Cuba during negotiations, didn’t work the weekend when the extra mediator was assigned either. They’re more concerned going on trips to spend our money, and have already booked Niagara falls even before we have a contract, bunch of lazy POS’s… No union in the city or the country drags negotiations for over 13months, Also the union wants Canada Post to pay for gender surgery..? Wtf what does that have to do with our demands…? They’re dragging this as long as they can, we’ll be forced back for less in the end. CUPW is garbage and has to go, we’ve had enough abuse from this useless union..
Time to clean house get rid of both obviously they can’t do the job of simple negotiations where is trump or Elon Musk
The house should have been cleaned years ago…too top heavy and too many lazies mgmt and union! All riding on others coat tails.If you’re a good worker you get picked on the most.Who runs a company like that and who defends these DEADBEATS?😡
You know the answer and it isn’t management. Unfortunate that your system treats all the workers the same. The good workers are not being picked on, they are relied on. That is the problem really since they are all compensated the same as the ones that need improvement. They get extra work because they can do it while other people are protected as they do little,
If the union was so busy fighting for workers rights why the heck did they waste union dues on suing Jerry Agar, then a host on the now-defunct Sun News Network and a freelance columnist for the Toronto Sun, and Avi Benlolo, CEO of the Abraham Global Peace Initiative and a columnist for National Post for libel?
It’s so obvious that they are Hamas terrorist sympathize. CUPW has been participating at protests for decades where the Hamas flags have been displayed.
Plus, if you look in there website, there is so much sympathy for the Palestine victims but nothing about for the Israeli victims. They are definitely bias on who they see as victims. The violence was started by the Palestines on October 7, 2023 and both sides had causalities.
The union is always demanding to increase are union dues to fund their social causes (such as Palestine, Cuba, gender affirming care, women’s rights, LGBTQQIP2SAA, and etc.) but too inept to understand that their primary goal is to protect the postal workers who fund them. I don’t see any of these special interest groups supporting postal workers at anytime during the strike. Pathetic.
Get your 💩together CUPW and stop wasting our union dues on misguided causes.
Well said,
“Canada Post has offered wage increases totaling 11.5 per cent over four years and additional paid leave, but the union has called for a cumulative wage hike of 24 per cent over four years. The Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) also wants full-time employees to deliver package shipments on weekends, while Canada Post has offered to hire more part-time staff.“
11.5 % hardly cover the increasing cost of living. What a joke by the corporation? They are treating postal workers like beggars. 24% over four years is more than reasonable. I don’t need 17 days paid leave, I am fine with 13 I get now on top of regular paid weeks vacations. We get up to 6 weeks.
This complete BS on the unions part, too. As always, they want it all without thinking about the consequences. There is no way that full-timers can deliver weekends in a 8 hour day throughout the year if the work during Christmas season (busiest time) is currently 4 hours RDO. There is not enough work in the weekend to cover a 8 hour shift in the weekend. Hence, letter carriers will work 4 hours but get paid for 8 hours. This is no different from giving them RDO.
How about the PO4s in the depots? If they bring in the full-time PO4s in the weekends will they actually working the 8 hours (not leave early)doing their work or will they be working 4 hours (leave early) still get paid for 8 hours of work? Same as working RDO.
Weekends for full-timers might work if we had large volumes prior 4-5 years ago when we still had the Amazon business, but not anymore. Plus, letter mail keeps on declining each year. If Canada Post needs to regain the confidence of customers and Canadians in order grow the business. Right now, there is a lot hate out there for Canada Post .
Canada Post needs to grow the parcel business before they start giving people full time hours in the weekends.
That would be a big money loss if people work 4 hours still get paid 8 hours full-time.
Does the union realize that they can get more union dues if Canada Post hire more part-time or casual employees to do their work weekends? Plus, they refuse to pro-rate their union dues for part- timers and casuals.
As a part-timer, if Canada Post hires more part-time workers, that means the likelihood of getting full-time is very slim, since most of the work will be part-time. Hence, it would be nice if they allowed present part-timers and casuals to work the weekends. In addition, there has been no work available most of the casuals who have been benched.
Who are you to say the letter Carriers work 4 hours and get paid, you sound like a lazy Po4 who complains from going to the parking lot to your facility.. 🤡 Try walking a day in a letter Carriers shows before you lazy PO4’s can’t talk smack, you wouldn’t last a day in our shoes.. Get a life before you slander letter Carriers while you sit in your chair in controlled climate inside and thinking you deserve what you get paid. I’ve seen kindergarten children do more than you PO4’s and be productive instead you bunch of whiners..
You do only work 4 hours and get paid 8 for it. You start early skip breaks skip lunch run and do the job in every way it’s NOT suppose to be done. You complain about time values yet do nothing to show cpc that this values are incorrect. Try working overtime and doing the job the way its suppose to be done. Then along comes ssd and load leveling and youre all shocked at its effects. And then you expect clerks to lose pay so you can still go home in 4 hours. Letter carriers whine and complain about EVERYTHING. Grow up and do the job properly and stop crying about it!
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Must be nice to go home early. Working 4 hours should not entitle you to getting 8 hours pay. I hope SSD forces you work the full 8 hours straight.
As a PO4, I clock in at my actual start time and clock out at my actual end time.
I don’t sit around and do nothing. Unlike you, I actually work my 8 hours.
Let’s see actually stay the whole 8 hours you’re scheduled at.
“The union has been focused for the last 24 hours on workers they don’t represent – like hiring away the cleaning staff from our contracted cleaning service and making them full-time Canada Post employees and pushing back on any changes to the pay and benefits of people we’ll hire in the future.”
CUPW seems very desperate, like on survival mode.
Does than mean that PO4s are going to be asked to clean toilets and pick up garbage? Sounds more likely than letter carriers offering lactation coaching to customers on their routes. Oh wait, that was a demand by the union in 2018.
Give FT letter carriers the option to deliver regular Wed-Fri and just parcels Sat-Sun. Or (worse) Sat-Wed. These people exist. Figure it out with your (gag) “dynamic staffing”, Canada Post. I’d also be OK with every second Friday off (edo).
Just got back from unpaid vacation and noticed strike is still on. No further ahead then you were a year ago. Wow. If you executives at cpc and cupw ever get tired of this nonsense you should become emergency room doctors….. why? Because you move really fast .
The staffing dept in my city just informed me that bidding on vacant assignments has continued throughout the strike – doesn’t that feel a bit icky? How were workers even getting bid forms into their staffing people? Seems like a breach. Bidding opened the Thursday before the strike, which started Friday.
It’s funny how Canada Post is crying that they can’t compete with low-gig companies when they (in my view) seem to be the cause for the arrival of these low-gig companies. They turned down Amazon’s business in 2018 because “they didn’t have the network capacity to handle their business.”
They seem to have shot themselves in the foot on this one. Great strategy!
Plus they sold their network and tech support divisions Innovapost and SCI.
Where are they getting the support now to get the e-commerce business?
They just spend more money outsourcing it.
They had to build the plants and upgrade the fleet that you all have a problem with
Great! We have a new plant that puts 0 GHG emissions into the 1.7% that Canada contributes on the world stage. AND as you said, we have new vehicles. Vehicules which don’t appear to be useful cause Amazon hasn’t returned….
Poor planning…..
As for weekend deliveries, the Corp can use plant workers since they are already working weekends, or maybe get a new classification of workers that may work as senior check in and highway cleaners during the week , or any other tasks for CP from Wednesday to friday , then deliver parcels and priority item on Sat and sun
What are these Highway Cleaner positions? Do you even know what you are talking about here or is it a different term? There are cleaners, which nobody is going to do, and there is Highway service, which is driving trailers from depot to depot back to the plant daily. That I can see, but that involves now spending more on fleet and wages that are done by contractors.
Up until this moment the three stooges were my number one comedy relief of all time. I never believed anyone could top them. However the crown has been passed hard to believe to cupw executives cpc executives and mediators as the biggest comedy relief in history. Thank you for the continued laughs you bring . I couldn’t ask for a better Christmas gift!
Updates?
Anybody here?
Crickets.
Radio Silence.
Let’s let our competitors take all of the business away, while we decide which step to take next.
What about having 2 group for LC’s. Group 1 : Sunday to Thursday and Group 2 : Tuesday to Saturday. I know it’s crazy!!!!
What do PT and Casuals even benefits from this union? serious question.
They pay the same dues at FT but none of the benefits. Something is not right here.
Up until this moment the 3 stooges were my number comedy relief of all time. I never ever believed anybody could top them. However the crown has been passed hard to believe to cupw executives cpc executives and mediators as the biggest comedy relief in history. Thank you for the continued laughs you bring . I couldn’t ask for a better Christmas gift.
Both sides need to give their heads a shake and get things done and tied up. The real ones who are suffering are our customer’s!
Only 2 more weeks on the line.
3 weeks.
Following the union updates, I think I know why the negotiations are difficult. The union does not want the current LC to be effected by weekend delivery. OK! The union also wants the new weekend delivery people to be full time. How can you be full time when you only work weekends? The work during the week is already being done hence no chance for more hours. THE STRUGGLE CONTINUES!
So dumb. They want to keep RDO for FT LCs.
The weekends should be PT for part times or casuals who have other jobs and can’t get 40 hours in regular workdays.
Union wants weekends to be RDO for FT LC.
I also heard the union since they are so insanely woke, behind the scenes won’t give up on the gender care aka ex change.
To be sincere the way things are going, I’m seriously thinking on getting another job. The Corp doesn’t want to pay, the union wants us to become do senior check ins and clean highways… to do senior check ins might as go study health care , and to clean highways might as well go work for the province and make much more more and have better benefits then at CP… CP continuing like this will soon become a UniUni like Company , great as a summer job for students and great source of income for foreign workers !
I already got another job. Im done with this union and CP. The union have already ruined Christmas for my family.
Please go.
If you were hired after Dec 2012 I would quit, if not ride it out.
And that’s why I am still ……..
Reasoning?
Because after that the new hires took a two tier pension (work 5 more years) and two tier pay that hasn’t kept up with the competitors (fed ex/ups)
dont give up
We are stuck between being a corporation and a social service!
@Tuna sure are!
Here is the problem for me, In Canada Post charter it says they must be financially self sufficient . The Unions demands will increase the loses. Therefor CP are Unable to agree to the demands. Then the Union says CP is a not for profit corporation because They must deliver to unprofitable parts of the country…….Should we not be demanding more federal Money so we can keep their mandate of delivering to all parts of the country and hiring 11.5% of our work force with a disability…..Seems we are stuck in NO-Mans land between A corporation and a social service.
The 11.5 % are almost all accommodated to work like DRS or XX at only 3.5 hours but get paid full 8 hours.
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Where are the updates? We live in a world that’s “real time”! Some of us want to work.
What does the union do with the $60 million it collects yearly from us?
They take it to Cuba, give to some useless social cause, and use it for gender affirming care.
Most of it is wasted on travel, hotel, convention room rentals, shop courses and so on.
Let’s not forget building rentals/ mortgages and pay salaries for full time union executives who don’t know the meaning of working hard since the last time they worked their positions was over 10 years ago. The same unions executives who are putting out of work.
They don’t create their hub comment sections, since it would hurt their feelings to see what everyone wrote.
Tuna can you tell us what your job is at the post office? How many years in are you and what does your normal day look like?
You’ve made upwards of 50 comments on here since the strike began and I’m just curious what role you’re in? Thanks!
Does it matter?
Tuna makes a lot of sense.
CPC should make Tuna CEO .👏
Save ya from asking. 18 yrs, letter carrier. I have $224.80 in my strike fund
I like when commentators have names.
To make all of this worthwhile we really need to have our negotiated 4 year contract benefits out weight the 2-3 week loss of salary.
If the back pay on the year of no contract covers the $$ lost (I’m guessing 6-7% for first year might cover that) with a small signing bonus to ratify it
Add in a good plan for weekend delivery as to not involve a change to our Monday to Friday delivery model that we currently have.
Then throw in a pause on SSD (and adjust the current depots with SSD imposed on them) till CMB conversion happens.(as we know it’s coming with a change in government).
Then develop a plan to re shape the “iron ring” that currently exists to bring in RSMC to time valued work.
The only other thing is to figure out what group 1 needs to make them happy then let’s vote.
But that’s just my opinion.
Group 1 was and is already happy. Imagine making $30 an hour to chat with your workplace friends for eight hours and play mind games with your supervisors. Add in a handful of bathroom trips in a few breaks, it’s almost like a visit to the country club for the day, except you’re being paid to go.
As a PT PO4, I am always the one left doing all the work where the +35 year FT PO is screwing around chit chatting away on the phone and going out for 3 or 4 coffee breaks, being chummy with all the supervisors.
This person should have retired ages ago, but they are still lawfully employed.
How is this fair?
All I hear from the long timer FTs is that my day will come where I am a senior FT and I get to do the same thing. What a joke!
Don’t forget the Christmas RDO in the weekends, the FT PO4 full timer get them all, but there is always leftovers for me on Monday.
If anyone is overworked, it’s the PT PO4. The FT PO4 just doesn’t help.
Fyi, I’m a ft p04 and I personally take my job seriously. I’m a hard worker and so are “most” of my colleges. Not all but most. Don’t paint all ft p04’s with the same brush. There are some hard working p04’s. There are still some that believe they should work for their pay. And btw, I’ve seen many pt and article 54 workers that take full advantage. Maybe that’s part of the reason CP isn’t making a profit. Alot of dead weight that won’t do their jobs and let others take up the slack .
You are taking it too seriously. It’s not even a true story. He wants a full time to retire so he can get a full time job. There are many like that.
Nice to know that.
Not painting all FT PO4 as being work-shy.
I was just speaking from my personal experience with the FT PO4 who I presently work with.
So much deadweight at Canada Post. The union always protects these guys, so there is no way to get rid of them.
That is what happens when the workforce does not know the difference between “colleagues” and “colleges” lol
I agree 💯%
Nobody is covering your lost wages for a strike initiated by your own crew. You also think that a signing bonus is a good idea but what would be considered worthy? $1000 each? $55 million dollars…and for what? If this goes on much longer it might actually be a good deal, you will be begging for the deal.
Canada post layed off employees to start the strike. If that wouldn’t have happened no strike. Blame CPC
@cpcmismanagement Both sides are to BLAME EQUALLY…
Agree to disagree. CPC to blame fully and completely
CPC is doing big favour to those being lay off. EI auto qualified immediately. Lol
Layoff was done after the union went on strike, the friday itself when the agreement was not valid anymore.
Fact Canada post had weekend delivery and pick ups tell they decided it was t worth doing and stopped the MSc hub it was part time 4 4 hr shifts in the evening , management decided parcels are t what we do. Poor mismanagement causes this. When it was weekend delivery CPC made profit took it away losses came. Surprise.
Hence, they need weekend deliveries, even if for 4 to 5 hours in the weekends. It would be part timers with second jobs like me.
Maybe the management got rid of weekends because too many RDO paid out.
Our least busy times for parcels are Wednesday and Thursday, whereas Mondays and Tuesday are most busy days for parcels due to no work on Saturday and Sunday.
It might be worthwhile to operate on 7 days a week straight time, no OT or RDO. Plus, no PT Flex, since it’s not worthwhile for people to come in for 3.5 hours a day.
If we delivered 7 days straight, we can grow the business and more $$$ will come into the CPC.
However, too many egos at work at the CPC would screw things up just like MyMoney loan program.
There is no rhyme or reason as to when parcels are or are not heavy regardless of which day it is so your plan would not work. MSC used to have this all under control until the corporate brains said it was no longer needed. So now here we are at an impasse, supposedly not making money which in itself is bs and then the audacity of asking employees to sacrifice as usual while they eat caviar and drink champagne. I too work part time elsewhere because I can’t afford to live and carry my family and household on the pitance cpc pay. So don’t tell me I don’t want to work weekends because I’ve been working 7 days a week for years. I will not give one millimeter to these tyrants who have zero clue as to how to run a corporation.
The union knows crap. I work part-time on weekdays, but would love to work weekends. It would with my other job which requires me to work weekdays, too. Maybe, they make Wednesday and Thursday as days off for PT.
It would spread out my work days to 7 straight days and I don’t need to work both jobs back to back everyday.
Part timers that would be required to work and not be I’m busy , also only a guaranteed 3 hrs. Sorry your pt that’s what get. Then as a permanent pt u pay into pension and Benifts there goes 300 bucks a month plus coop tax union dues that’s 600 off a month min while making that 1000 a month wage so u clear 400 bucks. Where can I sign you up !
Is so funny people on here 22 percent over 4 years I bet if the union would of brought the last offer to vote or even the first we would be working right now …people get off your high horse
It’s so funny people on here thinking the wage increase is the only thing that matters.
For me, it’s getting more hours.
PT Flex will not help me at all.
Speak for yourself
It’s so funny how wrong you are
It didn’t matter, they were laying people off before the strike.
A peaceful coexistence
Is dropping out of sight
So, band together
Together, we will fight
Blasting the resistance
Marching to the top
They started this
We say when it stops
Overkill
Taking Over
1987
In Union We Stand
I can’t believe how stupid CP and CUPW can be! My daughter who is in grade 10 settled this negotiation in 3.5 hours in her debate class. Would you like to hear the details? Both sides got what they wanted 4 year contract
18% 13 personal days 7 carryover
Part time weekend delivery coverage no change to pension.
Was that so hard. Think about the future of this company and hurry you are about to lose every customer
Agreed. Except PT weekends straight time and 22% wage increase for 4 years.
This 11.5% increase for 4% from CPC is 🥜🥜🥜
Labour code says 10 sick days plus we keep our 7 personal days. This is non negotiable!
Agreed! Why work! I’d love CPC to change the terms of the job to discourage working. 100 short term disability coverage. 10 bankable sick days, 7 flex, 10 normal sick days! Unskilled labour for the “win”.
@a concerned postie Of course the high school kids solved it because they are looking at this realistically! Kudos to them! 👏
Or kids don’t know all the details or may be they knew it was fake.
I agree, don’t tell me that it takes a year to come to an agreement!! Ridiculous!!
The grade 10 class forgot about LC’s, Mr P05. SSD needs adjustments at the very least. Money and pension mean nothing if we get overworked to death with ssd. And to the naysayers, feel free to even try a few days of it before you speak. And not the easier high seniority routes either, I’m talking further down the seniority ladder where the real killer ssd reside. All routes are the same my butt!
He was just saying how the debating team figured it out…And CPC isn’t all about the letter carriers you know…I for one wouldn’t do it…I’ve been inside for years and it is a hard job as an LC but there’s always the option to come inside…oh wait you have to work shift work AND weekends
Why does the fact that i can actually do the LC job unlike you, necessitate my being penalized for it? Forget weekends, i dont want to work (i use that term loosely) inside with all the illuminati ratting on each other as to who left early and didnt wait until 2. No thanks. Rather be outside working for real. Just want to be properly compensated for it, is all.
Is this a good time to ask for overtime ? I was thinking Christmas eve. That’s about the time when this strike will end through govt intervention. Maybe I’m too ambious. Perhaps january 2025.
No, apparently we are 8 million packages down in delivery since both side is playing hard ball.
The Grinches are running the show now.
FAST fashion = fast SHIPPING
WE need to CHANGE to COMPETE!
PT flex is not gig work, it’s a perfect job for
MANY, it’s opportunity for students and parents and those who want to supplement self employment.
Plus PT Flex won’t cover your union dues, transportation fuel or travel costs, and car insurance.
It does nothing but putting another tier system in place dividing us workers more.
Maybe the union could pro rate those dues for part time and temps.
Not going to happen.
Union think they fight for FT, PT, and casuals equally.
We are not equal even in the case is case of seniority.
Us junior people get burdened by the left over work of senior workers. We are the one’s overworked. It’s the senior FT who make more money and the most gain out of the CA. They get all the OT.
Why doesn’t the union make them pay more?
PT flex work is the very definition of gig work. Just worded differently. Being management you won’t see that or pretend not to
To me gig work is independent contractors like Uber, skip etc. I care about my employer and who cares what classification I am. In fact I have been more than a few. I see a lot of blame and problems here, when what we need is accountability and solutions. This is 2024 and times have changed. We need to be able to move forward and adjust but with layers of bureaucracy and multiple unions, it’s not that simple. Instead of blasting your colleagues perhaps you can offer some insight
I strongly agree accountability is needed. When might we see cpc admit accountability for their collosal failures?
Isn’t that what gig work is? CP needs to start worrying about students, they need to worry more about those who have families and need to pay for mortgages and food
Blame CUPW for ‘high’ union dues, blame internal workers for being ‘lazy’, blame LCs for ‘overtime’ and blame CPC workers in general but don’t say anything about management for putting the company in such a situation by a number of dumb decisions and incompetency then you are good kid.
We all know the CPC executives and management should take responsibility for this labour disruption, but the union, and the workers should also take some of the blame for being more reasonable in doing a better job serving our customers.
Why should they make the mess and we have to clean it up? They want more cooperation? Start firing and cutting the fat at all the upper levels. Hundreds of millions in savings right
there. But no its all on the employees. Screw that
Firing a few layers in “upper management” will not save a billion dollars – which is the current operational loss. Great thought! How about realizing that when your share of the parcel delivery market is 29% and shrinking you “might” need to find common ground and align to the rest of the economy by staffing weekends with people who aren’t paid overtime. Crazy concept for sure! Creating services that Canadians will want to use will then create more volume allowing for…. Competitive wages!
Sorry but I do not need to do anything. They screwed up not me. They can cut their own pays and jobs to their hearts desire if they like and they should. We want what we deserve and have no intetest in their failures being recouped off our backs. Had they maybe appeoached years ago and truthfully owned up to and explained the situation, maybe. But with all the lies, misinformation and continued crazy spending no way. Im sorry but not this time. I dont care how fake bad off they pretend to be. Pay Me! I
CPC problem to find the money, CPC lost it in the first place. But really you didnt nudge nudge wine wink. PR job
Go ahead and do all that, let
us know how it works out, but give us our competitive wage hikes now
Hopefully Canada post acts smart and negotiates a 2 year deal so next year with a new government full CMB coverage can take place.
Then layoff all the deadwood we have here.
Do you realize that means you included?
The Cons will dismantle Canada Post if they form government. Have you not learned from past Con governments ? Remember when they tried to dismantle home deliveries replacing them with all CMBs?
With more CMBs installed that means all SSD and fewer LCs. You’ll be one of the first LCs who the CPC will lay off.
Here is a list of employers might hire you with your credentials: DoorDash, Amazon, FleetNow, FleetNow, FleetOptics, Raven Force, Can Par, InterCom, Uber and etc.
Good Luck on your next job.
Yes! Agreee
Why isn’t Canada Post working weekends at straight time to solve this mess they created?
Blame the union and the people so intent to get RDO.
Exactly
No RDO for processing centers.
There are so many lazy entitled full timers who push all the work onto others.
Mind blowing the lack of urgency to get this strike resolved on behalf of OTHER parties who rely on the mail service for their livelihoods. No urgency though on a weekend, take your time! Just reinforces the public’s negative perception.
Exactly.
I just want to go back to work now.
I really can’t deal with not getting my mail. Funny thing is I miss getting my flyers especially the Radar, Canadian Tires, Wendy’s. 🥹🥲😢
GET THIS DEAL DONE NOW FFS. And NO to your measly 11.5% wage increase for 4 years.
Too much effort to actually care to work around the clock to solve this self inflicted crisis. The longer this goes on the more “good will” Canada post burns. I certainly don’t have much left as a small business owner who has been significantly negatively impacted. Thanks!
The u.s postal service and the American united postal u ion agreed on a new contract in October 2024. The workers salary is still much less then postal workers in canada. And our benefits are much better. So I can’t wait for arbitration so I can get my 2 percent raise. Still better then the Yankees nice to see this strike is paying off.
PURE NONSENSE!!! DON’T SPEAK UNTIL YOU GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!
If you have your facts, you are welcome to share them, too.
My brother works for u.s. postal service and told me the new contract made everybody happy that’s a fact jack.
I have read the comments in this forum since the beginning. Yuk. I never realized the level of animosity. Not coming back to this site again. I would rather not know what most people think.
We need to picket harder for gender affirming care pleaseeeeeee
:):)
6 days of lost pay and more coming for what!?!? We all know the best offer we were ever gonna get was Canada Posts last offer.
Our 6th check will be for 4 days and the 20th will be nothing if this continues. Think about that for a second. This was a big mistake
6 days who cares, enjoy the time off. Also, please apologize to the union when you see what you end up with. 🤑😉😜
Sure Haha
I sure hope that this isn’t the outstanding issue that keeps us out. Afterall, out of 55K of us, how many need this. How did this become our demand in the negotiations?
1% or less but cupw is too woke. We don’t need these things…
Really???
We don’t want CP to be like a UniUni, Dragonfly or another cheapo company, but some of our workers that work for CPlike are working like they would be working for UniUni, etc…
If we want to CO be a top notch company and pay properly, many have to change their work ethics.
More
Pay
Won’t
Change
Work Ethic
Baaam 💥
Look at this article where someone is writing a journal like a postie and saying how unimportant and useless we are in the National Post
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/inside-the-thoughts-of-a-canada-post-worker
It’s Saturday morning and my Amazon is out for delivery….thanks Dragonfly! Jeesh, this could have been us. Sad.
Ask the DragonFly employee if they like their job.
Stop 19/200 in an electric van. He was happy, maybe a bit nervous of the Canadian winter, but overall grateful to be working. Haven’t seen a load like that since 2019 in my van. Black Friday revenue = $0
That’s what we all end up doing if we let the CPC divest in delivering packages and parcels.
The CONS party would love the sale of CPC as soon as they get elected into government. Our jobs will end up in the hands of someone coming from India on false pretense of being a student.
That’s why we need to accept the reality that we are all expendable.
Before I was working at Canada Post, I was let go off my last full-time job to make room for a part-timer. I wasn’t making more than $20 plus there was no union to protect my job. It really stung. So I am thankful to working at Canada Post where there is more job protection.
Hence, we should accept the weekend deliveries.
Does anyone like their job? 25 year letter carrier here. I do not like my job. I stayed because of our hourly rate. We make enough money. ALWAYS HAVE!
It’s not just about a paycheck. I take pride in my work. I like my job because of my customers and my colleagues.
I love my route because it keeps me fit and gives me purpose everyday I go to work.
It just sucks to fight the corporation for our demands.
When you call them demands, you sound completely unreasonable. This is the problem
HaHaHa
I think that you should stay at your current rate of pay, perhaps a couple bucks lower, and everyone else can enjoy a raise because you make enough money
We can agree that the job isn’t what it was even 10 yrs ago, forget about 25-35 yrs ago
Good luck bud
That’s not the point, it’s not fair that we don’t receive wage increases keeping up with the inflation we have all incurred over the last four years. Also this is after we agreed to a two year extension tacked on to our last contract at only 2%.
And where did most of our 2% wage go to?
Union dues took a good portion of it.
My local raised our due so that they could buy this useless building they have never used for general membership meetings, shop courses, or anything.
2% was around $1200 the union dues would have went up about $20 per yr.. that’s not most of it 🙄
They are hiring. You should apply.
If the company were to privatize, the reality is that most of us will need schooling to make the same wage or better. Good paying jobs are not as abundant as one would like to believe. We can’t push too hard because we will have a PC government soon enough and they are not our biggest fan. Don’t ever assume we are a “must have” because that is when we are likely to have the rug pulled out from under us.
The average intelligent person would never assume anything. I would add also never say never however I don’t think any government can just wipe out 55000 jobs, more if you include all cpc employees, Canada wide without loads of blow back on umpteen number of levels.
They can still buy us out of our contract and give us an ultimatum of staying to work for less or just find another job that pays a lot less.
If you think you know what wouldn’t hit the fan with tons of backlash you are mistaken
No backlash. A Conservative government would steamroll over any resistance. You would not have say. They would authorize the sale of Canada Post to one of their political backers.
Ok so just give in and call it a day then. Conservatives might come into power at some time and it will all be over. No use doing anything now or anymore. The cons will steam roll us. Democracy is out the window. Just quit and go beg now why bother. So cons might take over in future , stop being a defeatist in the present
100% correct. Sadly the reality in this modern economy is to make a premium wage you have to be considered “skilled labour” most people are content with the wages paid to most retail employees so they can get cheap products. I don’t think senior employees like the idea of going back to school vs getting paid for an 8 hour shift, working 5 and taking OT. That’s great, you’ll kill the golden goose and then everyone will only have scraps to fight over. Change is inevitable and necessary to stay relevant. 55,000 jobs are irrelevant to the broader Canadian economy as we have an elevated employment rate, people will absorb those jobs. Never bank on “the government will save us” as a defense against modernization.
Spoken like a true newbie supervisor that forgot he only has a grade 12 education too but makes $70,000/ year.
Hey,
I went university.
They better not mess with my pension. I’m getting close to retirement and would like to enjoy it a bit. I just want to get back to work.
The solvency of your CP pension wouldn’t be impacted for your retirement payout. Newer workers would be part of the defined contribution pension plan.
No. Newer workers are staying in the defined benefit plan. This is one of the reasons why we are striking!
3 things irk me while I read the comments, people blaming management for this predicament, its technology thats hurting us, second short term pain for long term gain is one of the craziest notions being spewed, labour peace is the only answer for long term survival and 3rd nobody should tell someone they should of saved up because we have no idea how big someones family is, what events they put their kids in etc
@recently retired letter carrier I’m a long term employee soon to be retired(whoo hoo) and I agree with you 💯 % The people doing the most yaking are CUPW Groupies stuck in the 80s mindset who were probably not even born yet! 😉
Tell that to CUPW 6 or 7 months ago. They suggested we all save up for the strike they anticipated would happen since CPC stonewalling on negotiations.
The CPC thought if they ignored negotiations, things would go away. Well, it’s the end of November one our busiest times of year, and the corporation and the workers are losing a lot of customers and money.
People hate us and hope when a Conservative government comes into power we all lose our jobs. Too Maple MAGA and Freedom Convoy types where I live.
You’re right, but they’re everywhere now, unfortunately. All of a sudden it became cool while it’s really just lame and embarrassing.
Exactly, not to mention in this economy with all our living expenses through the roof, how do you save??
More colours on what to expect after this ‘last’ strike, from Financial Post: https://financialpost.com/opinion/canada-post-versus-the-union-is-this-the-last-strike
No government will want to make major changes to the national post service before an election, so we still have some time to prepare ourselves for the job search. When is the election? It’ll be late Spring, right after everyone get their $250 relief cheque.
So are you saying let’s just stop and give up because of what was published in that conservative rag? You go ahead and bend over if you like. Those of us who actually have worked hard oppose being persecuted as the only problem with Canada post through no fault of our own and will continue fighting.
What are you fighting for? For jobs that will no longer be available because of a union that won’t adjust to modern times and see how the competition is eating all of our profitable business.
Why are you even still here then? Both in commenting and working for cpc. What do you propose ? To keep making concessions that wont change a thing according to you, in order to delay the inevitable conclusion?
Because they take pride in their jobs.
They are not suggesting we give into all concessions, just the ones that make sense.
There are so many people of cheat the system by asking for too much in OT all done within the 8 hour span of their regular routes.
The unfortunate part of all this is that making concessions doesn’t weed out all the bad apples who take advantage of a minor injury on the job so that they get accommodated for as long they want.
They won’t be the ones working hard under SSD or proposed weekends.
Stop watering down words like “persecution”. It’s gross and not at all true. You are free to choose whatever you want to do so stop being a fake victim and get to stepping
You must be a super denying what you do or what is directly in front of you. You can water down all you like but we indeed are being persecuted in the truest sense of the term by cpc to deflect their not knowing what they are doing. While also trying to sway everyone into believing employee wages are the only problem facing cpc.
We are not victims. We are fighting for our jobs and trying to make sense of both sides of the dispute.
The CPC wants to low ball us on our demands while CUPW are going full nuclear by asking far more than is reasonable. Regardless, how we feel about the union, they are still on our side of negotiations.
As members of CUPW, we still have to show a united front in support for union negotiations by turning up to picket in front of Canada Post facilities across Canada everyday until this strike is over.
No one is forcing people to show up everyday. Just showing up for 1 day to picket is better than to showing up for no days.
Here’s a sick and twisted take on the strike. Look at the gas we save..the wear and tear on the cars…spending more time with family friends…catching up on sleep…watching the idiot box…increased alcohol consumption…putting this comment together….making plans for 2025….etc. so thank you cupw and cpc executives for allowing us this free time to do these things. As always keep on working to get that good contract. After all it’s been over a year now and you are still at it. Here’s a thought why don’t you ask high schoolers how it done.
No updates from the cowards at CPC is some time. They are too busy stalling and waiting for forced arbitration. They have done their best to ruin the company and should all be fired.
HAHAHA
100% agree!
Processing center workers at Canada Post are lucky compared to Amazon Fulfillment workers.
Look at Amazon, they don’t get RDO pay like Canada Post. Most fulfillment workers get only 1.5 after 10 hours of work and work 6 days straight. You can work up to 60 hours a week with 1 day off or 12 hours straight. Hence, we should be lucky to work for Canada Post.
That’s exactly why we didn’t apply at Amazon! Don’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out
Entitled people works at CPC
Gender affirming care or bust! This is the hill we die on. I dare to say it is even more important then a pesky wage increase. Gender care for all! so so so solidarity.
What a ridiculous comment. Do you pat yourself on the back after thinking and posting it. That’s why there are over 1000 comments here with majority of them wasted space. Congrats
For those questioning the strike have a read.
https://www.cupw.ca/en/canada-post-minister-must-rein-canada-post-ceo
To be fair, after this read, maybe the union is playing their cards right this time
cupw wrote the post. what do you expect?
Posted on cupw site but no denying what the minster said on a television program cupw does not run or control. Your ex milk and chocolate salesman tactics not working and being exposed for all to see
Sure they are…An out of context statement from your embattled leader. There is no fear mongering about the competition. It’s clear that they have no problem stepping in to take all the products away from us. Except the ones that don’t make money or the mail and advertising. They are dunking on us because the union thinks all is well and that the company is playing some shell game.
I dont care what she said. I focused on what the Minister said. Big difference
I have read it.
However, the union is preventing weekend deliveries to improve the business.
As a customer as well as an employee, there have been many instances where I am waiting for an urgent package already at the depot on a Friday, but I have wait for it on a Monday. It can be very frustrating.
However, the corporation should not continue giving RDOs in the weekends. That’s what makes weekends not cost effective.
Why not adjust the schedule for some LC to start delivering letter mail, and flyers on Friday to Tuesday while others Monday to Friday so that the work is spread out for seven days instead of 5 days. Since nobody will own their routes under SSD there will be no issues with anyone being overworked, since mail has an extra 2 days to get there.
We can get more business since customers don’t have to wait to extra days over the weekend to get their packages.
people think that CP is paying a fair wage, look at the news below. private hotels are even paying their workers more than CP, min $32 in 2025, and $37 in 2027. Bus drivers at Vancouver are making over $42. All CUPW members, if you want better living, make sure you fight hard, don’t worry about the short term wage loss. No Pain, No Gain
https://vancouver.citynews.ca/video/2024/11/21/vancouver-hotel-workers-sign-deal-for-the-industrys-highest-wages-in-canada/
I think we can take lower pay as long as we get important things like gender affirming care as so many members are eager to use this service.
You seem obsessed with this topic. You repeat ad nauseam
100%. Keep the pedal to the mettle. Our demands are fair and we are strong!
They work nights and weekends, if that appeals to you apply for one of those jobs. I wonder how many stat holidays they work because it’s in their shift and miss family gatherings.
Why are the Canada post executive on Purolator board of directors? And Canada post has been sending their contracts over to them
What are you talking about?
They are majority owners of Purolator that’s why…
Lol you know Purolator is a subsidiary of Canada Post right? 😂
Will my raise be big enough to offset my lost wages? Help me understand we are doing the right thing here please. One week lost wages approx $1,200 so $3/hour raise to recoup that is 400 hours. 400 hours is 10 weeks. 10 weeks to get back a weeks lost wages is this right?
Sounds about right. Bear in mind if cpc had their way of measly 11 %, that $3 increase is spread out over the life of the contract meaning years to re coup. One of the most important reasons were fighting.
Another weekend. Here we go. I hope we only picket for 2-3 more weeks.
You do realize that the current annual rate of inflation is 2%, therefore a 8% increase over 4 years. Your union asked for a 20% increase over 4 years aka 5% increase each year. Thats more than double the inflation rate. No company gives 5% increase year over year to 55000 of its employees
And do you realize when inflation was in the double digits prices of everything rose 15-18%min. Yes inflation back down to 2% (for now) but most prices stayed at their inflationary highs and likely to never come back down
Exactly and if we so go back to work lost wages is double that. There wont be a payday until the 20th. This is t about us the workers its about the union bosses making more money
Since we didn’t go out until midnight on the 14 of Nov there are still 4 days of pay.
Let’s say you are making $30 an hour @40 hours / per week = $1200
The last contract expired. 52 weeks ago. (Ish)
If we get, a 5% raise this year. That would change your hourly rate to, $31.50.
So your raise would be $1.50 an hour.
1.5 * 40 = $60 a week. 52 * 60 = $3120 in back pay.
Are you figuring in taxs? Will the union take any more money. Do we have to make up the benefits payments on our first cheque back to work whenever that is?
Yes dues will greatly increase and missed deductions will be recouped but those and the retroactive pay probably not on the first pay
No but you will be able to access gender affirming care.
Nope.
So basically if we don’t go back to work on Monday there will no no pay on the 6th and then there wont be pay until the 20th just in time for Christmas but i cant believe it. I just want to go back to work man. Christmas is ruined.
No, we still have wages owed to us. On the 6th we will get the previous 2 weeks wages owed. I can’t be bothered to look it up. But at least a full weeks wages.
actually you are incorrect. we only have four days coming to us. yesterday’s pay was including up to november 9.
Sounds right. Not going to be good. Hardly anything about it in the news.
Union is pushing it, the current model of CPC is not sustainable. They will eventually privatize.
So what. Either way we get paid. The reign of fear is over
No, you won’t have a job if they privatize. They can contract out to the lowest bidder.
DHL owns Deutch Mail in Germany- they are making money. Maybe they will buy Canada Post.
What CUPW is asking for is ridiculous. Why would you need 17 medical/personal days, along with 3+ annual leave weeks? And for them to be banked?? Do they not realize that if Canada Post can financially operate then there is no union. How about looking at how much your union presidents make?
Stop deflecting. Accept your overlords lack of knowing how to run a company. Do the honorable thing, own up and step aside.
I’m a union member.
I completely agree. I already get 18 days (5 banked every year). I hardly use more than the 13 day they give us. It’s ridiculous to ask for more unless you are really sick.
I don’t know how much our union presidents make, but they should step aside and let some people who cares more about workers rights and more knowledgeable of labour laws to represent us. They have been in their positions far too long and are out of touch with what all workers want.
With due respect, when you get older believe me those days come in handy. Whether you or your spouse doctor and hospital visits, day surgeries etc you can blow through them pretty quick
I am old. I am in my 60s. I always try to take care of myself. Eat right, exercise, get plenty of rest, take time for myself and family. Most importantly, I never rush what I am doing so I don’t hurt myself.
I have been hurt before, it’s not worth it to rush.
That’s why it takes 8 hours to safely complete my route when some people will complete theirs in 5 hours. I don’t need to rush and get injured.
I haven’t needed them that much.
I already get 6 weeks of vacation.
I usually spread out my vacation weeks and plan appointments around them.
Like the size and weight of flyers, and maybe more than a 1 cent per flyer.
Hey cpc and cupw with help from ofl which tells me you are desperate and I’m trouble if you need ofl to hold your hand. Take weekend off buy some Jack Daniel’s since you do get paid with benefits in order to help you with your emotional distress. A week from now I will give the same message prove wrong.
Last cheque is now in. Nothing after this- there goes Christmas.
Still 4 days of pay left !!
That’s not going to pay the bills. I will have to take a bus to the picket line.
No pay earned after the 14th. When is pay cutoff?
This unioun has no idea how to seal the deal, they care first and foremost about their interests unioun dues, than us actual workers, the future of this company is deteriating. paid a lot of dues over the years watched this unioun fumble the ball too many times to have any faith
1000% ✅
We would all be back to work if the negotiators would just right now.
I have already gotten a lot of hate from people claiming we postal workers are all lazy. It’s not us. It’s the union and corporate executives.
We will all be out a job as soon as these corporate goons sell the rest of Canada Post just they sold Innovapost and SCI. As soon as they sold those divisions I knew the executives were trying to liquidate the rest corporation and destroy it for their own personal gain.
Now where do you think all those bonuses came from?
Lost faith after 2011. Just here for the donuts now.
Haha you’ve been eating cake for your entire career, you’ve never been hard done by with 35 years. You should say thank you and goodbye. Geez, the nerve.
Anyone know if the negotiators are taking this weekend off like they did last? Don’t want to get my hopes up for a resolution if they won’t even be meeting. Thanks
You deliver snail mail, yet expect the negotiators to be quick?:D “Those who deliver by the snail will be treated with the snail”
I’m sure union will take union off again..!! Like they’ve accomplished anything but put us out of pay. Way to CUPW proving you need to be removed after 30+ years of failed negotiations and over 3 contracts all about the RSMC’S.. Clowns
For anyone, including this company saying we are irrelevant, this company needs to help and focus on small businesses. We are getting the attention we need from the community. The company will not be let off the hook by the government this time.
https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/cfib-calling-on-federal-government-to-intervene-as-canada-post-strike-continues-1.7120069
I don’t think these workers truly understand how many Canadians are actually against them. They have been brainwashed by the CUPW but they have no idea how hates they have become.
If not you’ll be out until Canada Post is out of business and you are out of a job.
We can get other jobs but you will still be out of business
What? As Uber and DoorDash drivers.
Why not go start looking now?
Get a grip. We’ve only been out one week. Enjoy the time off. We will be back to work one way or another with lots of OT to catch up and back pay alao
Agreed!
Won’t get paid what we get paid now. Certainly not going to get all the personal days and holidays to start. Private sector is no joke.
And you will be out a pension, p. Days, 3 was holidays, cheap benefits, so called union protection, get to go home early because you cut across people’s yards and abuse vehicles. Go deliver for Amazon (other job you mentioned you can get) but remember to negotiate that $30 and generous holidays upfront.at your interview
They lost $800 million so far this year, as if two months ago,they are not off any hooks anytime soon. You are fiddling while Rome burns meanwhile.
The whole drama is about the RSMCs and LCSs.. Internals like PO4 , PO5 and others don’t
matter. We are on strike for somebody else. It sucks.
Surely you must realize that Canada Post ‘cooks the books’ every year there is a contract negotiation coming up. The company chose the last fiscal year to invest hundreds of millions in new plants, and tens of millions in new RHD vehicles. Then they count these investments as part of an operating loss. All the media pick up and publish the sensational headlines ‘Fiscal Disaster at Canada Post’. We can only hope the federal government through the Treasury Board see through the B.S. from management. They always do this. Of course Canada Post needs to improve and grow revenue, but it’s not as bad as their creative accounting makes ir seem. Im vaguely optimistic for a positive outcome early next week.
Business is slip, sliding away.
Who wants to work?
I do.
Let’s get out of 80’s and get with the times.
Fed Ex delivering parcels on a Saturday, what a novel idea.
Canada Post records $315-million loss before tax in third quarter. Lets go!!!!
Over $800 million ytd as of September. But, let’s complain about the odd route that walks 25km a day and weekend overtime. Nothing can change while this union is involved. They are killing the host at this point.
“Canada Post will record another significant loss in 2024, the seventh consecutive annual loss for the Corporation.” You forgot to mention this! Seven years of consecutive and utter mismanagement. When is the actual root cause of the problem ever going to be addressed?
Canada post is like a candle that burning on 2 ends, One end is CUPW. The other end is the Federal Government.
Can we get our hands on the Business Plan which was just filed to the FEDS on Oct-28-2024.
This strike had to happen because of all the legal constraints.
IF I know that so does CUPW…….
Missing my walking routes, never been so fit in my life, and getting paid
We’re never going to be profitable in the way that people or even the corporation seems to say that we can be. We cannot compete against other logistics companies like FedEx, UPS, or Purolator because we’re not on a level playing field with them. Many aspects of what we’re required to do through our mandate will never generate profit and will always operate on some kind of a loss. Most likely a large loss. You cannot have a country this spread out and this rural with that mandate and expect it to turn a profit. The decline in letter mail is just magnified this issue. Maybe at one point when letter Mill was vital ane important to 99% of people the ideas I set out in the mandate and the idea of being profitable might have worked but with the decline of the lettermail and the realities of our country, this isn’t possible. These things need to be addressed through legislation of the mandate So they aren’t acting like an anchor dragging us down. You can’t compete with these other companies while you’re simultaneously doing things they would never do. They literally get us to do last Mile on so many of their parcels because it’s not profitable.
Canada Pot is a public service and is not supposed to be profitable. What is next, they want hospitals to make money. It’s funny though to see Canada Post executives going on national tv and brag about losing money for the lst number of years. No shame.
We can’t be profitable now because the CPC executives sold of our intellectual properties of Innovapost and SCI which could have help the corporation create a banking and e-commerce network.
If Canada Post wants to get into banking, we have to work together with a third party bank.
However, CPC executives don’t care about that. Their goal is to liquidate Canada Post and Puralotor to help them secure positions with other companies involved in their sales.
Ive worked at CPC for over 10 years. During that time they have never made a profit
Don’t trust the income statement pal. Net equity has skyrocketed in recent years!
If negotiating is not taking place over the weekend can you let the public and employees know so we can all move on.
*On Oct 28 2024 CP filed Business Plan 2025-29 with the Feds
* Loses for the 9 months 883 million unaudited.
* Lettermail our Bread and Butter actually was stable for the first time in years
* Bunch of office people where fired.
* Inbound parcels Down 22%…..The hedgers got them.
* Bond comes due in july and they Can borrow another 1.5 billion
Yep. Not a lot of people know they have ready access to $1.5 billion liquidity (should they need it). Fire the middle managers, cut the woke crap, and lets make some money!
Fire the entire lot of upper management. The actual cause of all the problems
Spoken like a true believer in the lower tier employees
Who supposedly lost (blew) 3 billion 7 years in a row? Even as you say, lower tier employees would have stopped after year 2 but your ex milk and chocolate salesman has no clue how to run a company
Hang in there everyone. As hard as it is not getting paid for a few weeks, we have legitimate issues that are currently being resolved. This isn’t a slam dunk for CPC and you’ll see in the end we will have done okay. Additionally it’s clear by public outcry, we are a needed service that is affordable for Canadians.
One of, if not the most shrewd of posts
The Canada Post Group of Companies, which includes its Purolator Holdings Ltd. subsidiary, lost $252 million before tax in the third quarter, compared with a loss before tax of $217 million in the same period a year earlier.
Ok its clear we are in the 1 billion in annual losses, SSD and weekend delivery……..Is that what they are talking about….Really.
I certainly hope not. The fact is, there is nothing positive about these numbers. Already down more than last year with three months left to report and two of those will be without much revenue.
How well do you think we will fare in front of an arbitration with numbers like that. Should have taken the deal I think.
One day there will be a contract. Will cupw executives allow the workers to vote on the contract. It is your constitutional right to be allowed to vote no matter what cupw executives say. That’s something to think about. P.s. the same high schoolers who agreed on a new mock contract allowed their fellow students to vote on it….they voted yes!
I was at my old high school this week and the coop debating class was doing a mock negotiations with canada post one side and canadian union of postal workers other side. Looking at various topics from weekend work to wages to job security etc. In less then 3 hours they came to a collective agreement on the framework of a new contract. Only minor issues remained to be sorted out later which didn’t affect the contract. And yet all you smart executives at cpc and cupw are sweating it out emotionally distressed playing your childlike games and still no contract. You have been outsmarted by highschoolers.
Union is dragging this out so they can blame CPC.. why did it take 13months, I’d get this done in 2 months max, have weekend parcels going and a decent raise, instead we get peanuts for striking where the union doesn’t even show up on the line.. what a joke, bunch of clowns on both sides, but ours is the worst. Have you seen CUPW reps on the news..? I’ve seen better interviews and relevant points on Jerry Springer.
Canada Post will record another significant loss in 2024, the seventh consecutive annual loss for the Corporation. All on management
lol
The current collective agreement already allows for weekend delivery and I don’t mean just with double time. They had a whole model of parcel delivery with drivers that had weekends in their schedule. They gutted it but are also still able to use it. They’ve chosen not to.
Don’t waste your time with these people. All they do is make sure you’ve endorsed your flyer colour for the day and signed your truck out. Even though we’ve done the scan on the PDT. If anyones jobs are redundant we know who it is
Quit then and work somewhere else. Otherwise stop whining.
It’s going to arbitration as it always does. Exactly what CP wants. Arbitrator as has shown in the past will side CP and the worker gets screwed. CP got exactly what they wanted. A strike. It’s never been about negotiation it’s always been about getting this to arbitration
I am sure little Johnny is as sharp as a tack just like his ole man.
I really hope these negotiations go on into the new year. Why would I need a paycheque and benefits when I can watch and read about cupw and cpc executives showing how smart they are still collecting pay with benefits and laughing at the workers with no pay and benefits….this is priceless.
This makes me happy
As always cupw and cpc executives who still are being paid with benefits are really good at dragging these negotiations to the point where I am starting yawn. Maybe I will start watching real housewives. Oh thank you mediators lawyers for helping drag the negotiations. For the uninformed the longer negotiations go the more money lawyers make. How do all sleep ?!
Hey Santa you write speak and text very intelligently. Why are you not part of the negotiations.
Yo I made lots on OT so far this year, I’m good to holdout a little longer
I hear ya. We all saw this coming and we know how Strike Happy Cupw can be. No, worries.
Love it! Same boat here. This scenario is actually ideal to get a couple weeks of unpaid leave because when I return, it’s gonna be gangbusters on the easy OT again.
The union says “ We won’t let Canada Post pit current workers against future workers.”
Sorry Jan. They already have with two tiered system already in place.
Plus, the union’s position on weekend deliveries is holding us all back.
SSD is going to happen if we like it or not. The union just has to negotiate on how to modify it so it works for every different depot. They could modify SSD start times to 9 am instead of 10 am to make more manageable.
Can the company show that SSD will be more efficient, save money, etc?
Do that and the argument about it ends.
The ironic thing? SSD could work, but needs better managers to implement it.
SSD and weekend deliveries will not help the bottom line. I would argue that weekend deliveries will cost more. There is a Major restructure of CP coming .
If they get rid of the RDO for weekends for everyone especially at the LCDs and the processing plants, then maybe SSD will work.
Plus, getting a lot of the dead weight in the number of bad performing management and workers at CPC
A graduated pay is different than two-tier. You will eventually have the same pay as everyone else. However, this company tries to hold you back from getting your increases as long as possible. From the agreed 7 yrs, to 10+
Well said and Exactly correct 💯. SSD is a done deal, CUPW fought it already and lost in arbitration, it’s posted on CUPW site.. Parcels have to get out on the weekends, we’re getting slaughtered by everyone else and will continue to lose business the longer this goes.. Well Done CUPW and CPC lining your pockets while we’re forced to strike because our useless union is a bunch of delusional clowns..
I wonder why CUPW doesn’t have a platform like this for workers to discuss concerns about the ongoing collective agreement. The company is loosing money, if we continue like this most of us would loose our jobs due to layoffs. We are not in the 90’s, times have changed, everything is being digitized. Some services are obsolete hence Union needs to be realistic and accept the deal.
A week without pay, i don’t know what i will do with if it drags on for another week. 2 weeks no pay, and then i wont see money until sometime in December. I cant afford for this to continue please i know for a fact it is not just me. Please sign a deal now!!
I’m not trying to be judgemental here, but maybe you need to takw a hard look in the mirror and think about some life choices you’ve made because a couple of weeks with no pay should not be crippling anybody. It’s been one week of you’re full-time that’s $800 not exactly crippling or life changing.
Well aren’t you a ray of sunshine, it’s nice your life is all cozy and cushy. You are full of empathy, not. Be kind during this difficult time.
Think about other perspectives, a year ago the house I was renting got sold and I had to move, my rent is now quadruple what it was. While you weren’t trying to be judgmental, you never really know others personal situations!!!
I’m sorry now I feel bad
Unfortunately we have another week or 2 on the picket lines.
If anyone from Canada Post is reading the nonsense in here this is proof that the company is run by hacks that should be fired. Are we here to make money or run a pointless comment page?
Then why are you here reading the comments?
I am on strike. I was referring to the employed CPC managers that are wasting time censoring comments in here.
Who’s being censored? It’s wild here…Also, why do you think that having a comment page has anything to do with the stalled negotiations? If they are reading this then your stock is definitely not rising.
There are managers that do real estate on side and want the employees in there depot to be back at work. It is harder to canvass on the picket line. This strike is not fair to them with their side gig.
Does anyone have any kind of update as where we are with the negotiations???
Not going well you better hope for govt legislation. Merry Xmas to cupw cpw and lawyers they still get paid.
Settle down. This isn’t over yet and likely not going as well as cpc wishfully thinking. All the truths about your not knowing how to run a company are coming out. Tick tock tick tock
Ya. Back to work in 2 weeks.
https://www.biv.com/news/hospitality-marketing-tourism/downtown-vancouver-hotel-workers-win-major-wage-increases-9845007
Can you afford to be on strike for 14 months? They did but how many are left
Well thanks to your post of course we have to. They make waaaay more than we do now. Also by your own admissions cpc can’t make it through this season so nice try with the scare tactics
To Canada Post and CUPW,
Please agree to a collective agreement already.
We need to go back to work ASAP.
CUSTOMERS rely on our service. They need us to deliver for them.
We can’t let them down.
See post above yours. In only 14 months we might be making upwards of $35 an hour so what’s the rush?
Many of with mortgages and families can’t wait around for any longer than a month just for a measly $5 more.
We need to get this contract settled now.
Relax! Even the news have been reporting passport mail deliveries will resume when strike is over. Read between the lines!
Don’t hold your breath. With the union insisting on the same high fixed cost weekday scheme for weekend delivery, affording the company zero chance to compete against other couriers, CPC will hold out for arbitration. The government will wait till there is enough public outcry to ensure there’s political support from one of the opposition parties before legislating is back to work. That means at least first week of December if not longer. It also means those with mortgages will miss at least one payment, and many will start running into high interest credit card debt. Maybe the union should dish out interest free loans to the members to show they care.
What do you mean?
ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES ,
THE KEY TO A MUTUAL SETTLEMENT IS BY RECIPROCAL MODIFICATION OF DEMANDS .
WE LIVE IN A FREE ECONOMY AND IGNORANCE IS A LETHAL WEAPON .
DARKNESS CAN NOT DRIVE OUT DARKNESS ,
ONLY LIGHT CAN DO THAT …….
Lazy hands make for poverty, but diligent hands bring wealth. – Proverbs 10:4
Decertify all unions.
You have my vote.
In union we stand – Overkill 1987
We are strong
Stop shouting!
When we get back I hope to have an all you can get OT… need to catch up on finances
Make you sure the contract includes weekends so you get as many RDOs you can to sink Canada Post.
Ease up on the drama. Cpc will be just fine. The sky is falling schtik has gotten old. Remember ” negotiating to avoid a labor disruption ” that would drive customers away smoke being blown up everyone’s behinds? Cpc is obviously not to worried or they’d be willing , eager and open to quickly resolving this fiasco. Resolving the inevitable of properly compensating employees instead of their insatiable obsession persecuting all employees as if we were to blame for their own self induced blunders of epic proportions
If this lasts one more week i need to find another job thats two weeks no paycheck
You may want to try UBER or DoorDash. It’s going to be a busy season.
lol that’s pretty sad
Who is the moderator for this I would love to know.
Yep. They are being paid to censor people. And people wonder why we can’t consistently turn a profit…
Vancouver local’s Solidarity Event:
Thursday November 21st at 4pm.
Location 5940 Fergusson Road, Richmond
Lot of parking available on the side of the road. Event will take place at Gate 2. (Ensure your vehicle does not block bike lanes, fire lanes or fire hydrants.
There will be a message from your President or Region at 5pm
Music
Dancing
Potluck/ Food
50/50 tickets
Samosas for sale
Are you we can park on the side of the road? There are no stopping signs all around Ferguson Road.
Thank God.
I didn’t go to this.
Apparently, they are spewing more union propaganda about solidarity.
Plus, they are trying to justify union dues go up after the new contract.
Union dues are not arbitrary. It’s a fixed %age of your wages. as the wages go up the union dues automatically go up. It’s not that complicated.
Maybe just maybe no news is good news!😉
Instead of no news, would’ve been better for there to be news telling us to go back to work, deliver stuff for our customers, and getting paid , while they are there doing their politics , so we don’t have to feel the pinch on our wallets
That’s EXACTLY what cpc wants to hear. Dont give them the satisfaction. By their own admission they can’t afford/survive this stoppage. Pressure is firmly on them for making this mess
Hey we can stay out longer no gst for 2 months thanks Justin Trudeau and 250 .00 cheque will be in the mail 📬 maybe
The cheques won’t come till the spring of 2025
Love T r u d e a u.
Please legislate us back to work soon.
If we have learned and still learning anything during this work stoppage is the absolute intelligence that is shown by cupw and cpc not to mention mediators. When I grow up I hope I can be that smart. P.s. don’t let emotional distress stop you from taking this work stoppage into the new year.
I think the strike should be called okf. Its not in the interest of people who depends on canada post services. Some people are expecting passpirt and almost getting stranded. I think the govt should step in. Its not fair. Canada post was still receiving maiks and parcels when they know a strike is imminent. Call it off today.We agree with the workwrs/ union but they dont want us to lose our sympathy for them. Agree on minimum , resume and let bargaining continues
Also it’s not fair for my finances to suffer, when I already pay union dues for them to fix these situations for me…
We will be ordered back.. that’s coming. Just like the rotating strikes in 2018 before Black Friday and Cyber Monday.. Biggest days of the post office. The union for the third time in a row has made this all about the RSMC’S, everybody better wake up, they clearly mentioned that in the previous bulletin. CUPW has failed at over 30+ years of negotiations and how ironic a CUPW exec mentioned to make management wait 20 mins before entering. And guess what when someone called that exec they’re now on 2 weeks holidays on our dime, that video is surfacing around so it’s not a lie. CUPW is useless and we have the proof, now to remove them as they created this hardship
Relax it hasn’t even been a full week yet. They will have a proposal by the weekend
A week is too long.
Black Friday is next week.
We can’t afford to be out even for a week.
More people need to show up to picket lines and show Canada Post we mean business. The more of us show up the better the media coverage. We need to show the country we really care about our jobs.
It’s nice that we get $56.20 to picket, but that doesn’t matter unless we all show up in solidarity.
Alberta Government has started delivering mail with a critical mail contingency plan. This makes things more interesting.
have they though? Announcing you can is different than actually having to. There is little that cant be sent by alternate couriers, fax or electronic means. Lettermail is never urgent or it would be sent as a trackable service. Economic Cheques are graciously being delivered by the union, so that doesn’t leave much else to deal with.
So, Critical mail delivery in Alberta
During the period when the contingency plan is in effect, only critical mail will be delivered to the general public during the work interruption.
Critical mail is material which must reach its intended recipient to avoid health, safety, financial or other significant harm to Albertans, significant risk or loss to government, or legislative non-compliance and that cannot be delivered expediently by courier, fax, electronic or other means.
This is the same as what is happening across the country as far as cheques etc.
Let’s trade in facts here folks….there is enough disinformation.
Can someone tell me the truth behind the wage parity for a carrier vs. A po4? What is the reasoning and justification? I’m trying to understand the logic here and every time I ask a shop Steward they storm off. It just doesn’t make sense to me.
Lc get around a dollar more the po4. Shop Stewart’s storm off because they are intellectual challenged.
Please remember, it is Canada Post who led you to believe you were an employee while you were casual. It is Canada Post who didn’t give you a contract the day you walked on the floor. It is Canada Post who wasted your time with corporate training that teaches you nothing about actually doing the job then doesn’t call you for four months. It is Canada Post that would keep you casual forever if allowed to do so. It is Canada Post who brought in the two tier wage. It is Canada Post who wants gig work model. It is Canada Post who rely on senior CUPW staff to teach their management. It is Canada Post who hires management that can’t answer your questions but will anyway. It is Canada Post who puts work methods in place that do more harm than good. It is Canada Post management who sits on a health and safety committee making decisions about health and safety having never done the job. It is Canada Post who may give you safe lifting training after working for them for fourteen years. It is Canada Post who let bad workers in after probation and now we the workers have to deal with it. It is Canada Post who takes advantage of hard working people while looking the other way from the ones who do nothing all the time. It is Canada Post who chooses not to hire or fill positions since 2010 through attrition. It is Canada Post who brought in the postal outlet. It is Canada Post who brought in the RSMC.It is Canada Post who abandoned lettermail. It is Canada Post who said parcels are our future but invested in smaller trucks.It is Canada Post who doesn’t care about quality and efficiency. It is Canada Post who refuses to grow the postal service. It is Canada Post who felt no inclination to be proactive. Just keep sliding along until we can’t anymore and then blame the workers.It is Canada Post making their supervisors beg employees to do a job for a $10 gift card.It is Canada Post doing CUPW functions quite blatantly. It is Canada Post who will sit on a CP site taunting workers about potentially being unemployed. It is Canada Post who creates the divide between workers. It is Canada Post who instantly replaces management, supervisors, relief, superintendents, managers, directors, expediters x 3 shifts. It is Canada Post who cuts MSC,s,MH,s,Po5,s, techs,FT,PT and terms.It is Canada Post who took away your postage stamp machine, your Historical mail box, your store, your cafeteria, your garbage cans, your cutters, your seniority, your routes, your bargaining rights! It is Canada Post who took away your Holiday season. It is Canada Post blaming you for taking it and it is Canada Post who will tell you to be grateful and embrace the stress.
Ok thats the Canada Post part of your brain……Tell us the CUPW part ?
It is good to see it all in black and white. All true. Well said.
Good job. No denying any of it
Well said it is Canada Post signing our pay cheque.
It is also Canada Post to act as collector in raking union dues. So what is it that Canada Post demands? Are there no more smart negotiators out there?
And it is CUPW handing out the kool-aid you’re drinking.
You need new material. The kool-aid posts are getting stale like cpc thinking
I am a CUPW MEMBER, but I don’t think everyone is drinking the kool-aid they dish out.
I am well aware the idiocy they have created in their handling the CPC since June 2, 2011. Back then there were 48,000 employees, that didn’t include the RSMC.
Don’t forget it was Canada Post who wasted so many chances to increase business through postal banking and e-commerce, and help minimize the cost and logistics to rural areas that separate them from the rest Canada.
It’s really sad no one wants to take ownership of the breakdown of Canada Post.
Yeah, blame Canada Post.
Let’s not leave out the problem caused by the other sides of the conflict.
It’s the lazy ones always trying to take shortcuts and alway being accommodated with injuries that are the problem too.
It’s the privileged few who take advantage of the system by double dipping OT into their 8 hour shifts.
It’s the pitiful union spending so much money to fight the grievances of disciplined workers who clearly violate the terms of their contracts.
How does any of your babbling have anything to do with cpc blowing 3 billion dollars without anyone noticing?
At least you don’t blame Canada Post for everything
Nobody wins here except for the Union!
Don’t forget to include CPC board of directors , 22 VPs, managers and the lawyers.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
This company won’t exist in the near future if they don’t drop:
CUPW, half of management, and door to door delivery.
Everything else is just a lie.
The truth is both parties have failed repeatedly. The only successful path forward is Intervention. It’s time for the adults to join the conversation.
Wrong
Anyone ever given any thought to consulting the many taxpayers who still and always had door to door and don’t wish to lose it because cpc has no clue what they’re doing?
The taxpayers are not paying for door to door or any of this actually. Unless they send something, its a free service. You don’t get to complain about free
Again, anyone care to ask these people about being penalized by losing their service because cpc has no clue what they’re doing?
Really? Tons of admail rammed into mailboxes everday ad nauseum and you’ve never heard complaints?
In response to the new terms of employment, that’s why it’s a national strike. This company would fire you if you went into work and didn’t have enough tread on bottom of your shoes, or stepped over the blue line in the depot, or whatever other ridiculous reason that would leave us vulnerable
There is no company in existence that just randomly fires people. It’s universally accepted that good employees are hard to find and retain because they are valuable. Most of you would be surprised how good it would be.
Not easy to fire people after the 3 month probationary period. You need a very good reason.
Can’t fire them during probation period. CUPW makes that difficult too, they fight everything everytime.
Ask Union how hard they fight for casual employees fired for not accepting shifts when it is clear in contract. They waste a lot of money in fighting for employees that haven’t even started yet
CPC can’t fire after 3 months probation…then fire them before but nooooooo….CUPW gets on their back and we get stuck with the useless😡
You can’t just blame the new “useless” ones. I’ve seen it time and time again where the people with higher seniority will give all of the new hires all of the crap jobs the seniors don’t want to do and just sit back with their feet up while a new hire does all of the harder stuff the others refuse to do.
It’s in every union protected job out there and I have yet to see it any differently. This is one of the reasons why I don’t like unions at all. People become lazy under their protection and abuse the system that was put in place to protect the workers from illegal or wrongful policies, terminations etc.
I think unions should be scrapped all together now. The only thing they’ve done is help to breed a toxic working environment.
Are you dreaming They can fire you anytime. I have been here right after it became a crown corporation. They hire than try to fire and a lot of management have a job. We all know it has to change but change Management or at least in the lager centers rotate between facilities.
In my 30+ yrs at CPC, I can count on one hand the amount of people that have been fired.And that’s only because of theft…Anyone else the Union has used every cent to protect them…So no, no one’s dreaming
Not many updates. Guess it’s not going how cpc was hoping.
Guess it’s also not going according to the union plan. Take a stand, while hoping that the big guy jumps in to end the fight quickly…
But then you realize it’s just you and now you’re a week into this, with no end in sight.
Not at all. It’s called sticking to your guns. Something you obviously don’t understand. Cpc is not going to win this one
There is no winner in this strike. All parties will lose, but the workers will lose the most.
Interesting news piece out. A living wage in Vancouver is $27/hr and in Toronto is $26/hr. But this company doesn’t want you to have that. 10 years to get to full wages. That is, if you can last from the stress, overburdening, on call and changing work schedule. Even @ $30, top pay it’s barely enough for a family to survive. But of course, we are being ridiculous in our ‘demands’
If you want to make over $30 hr then you need to have a skilled trade or something like higher education. Use your free time in the afternoon to become a plumber or mechanic and get that money. It’s not going to happen here.
6 hour shifts paid for 8 so the wage for most outside workers is actually $40/hr for a 6 hour part time job (lots work less than 6)
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I make more than 30 and I work here
CUPW is my lawyer. What I have Noticed is they spend millions on Long complicated Legal cases with Little or no return for members. Besides the CP supreme court cases $$$$$. They are major funders of the Gig Union.
Why doesn’t All plants have reps that know the Blue Book and enforce the rules. Especially For the new hires, I wonder what the turnover rate is they are completely just turned over to the wolves.
Enough already. An agreement needs to be reached as some of the postal employees need to work. The longer this goes on the more money lost! This happening during black friday snd the xmas season does not help the reputation of Canada Post, and will result in more losses. Nobody wins by not demonstrating any give on either side.
The damage is done. Both reputations are trashed and since this is the result every time the contract expires, it’s going to be hard for people to come back. They have options now and this isn’t it.
Enjoying the time off. Hope for 2-3 more weeks on the line. Nice visiting other members.
Maybe 2 more weeks. Fun times
Just want to say I’ve been around longer than these execs, seen the last ones get cut loose, and it will be the same with these ones. A few already jumped ship. Same old story. Still her as an LC 20 years later…hopefully the government makes a better choice with the next CEO.
Thoughts for all posting here.
You campaign we go on strike and in the same sentence say we are glorified paper boys and the next sentence say force us back because it’s costing the country money. So are we paper boys or deemed necessary.
Canada post just reported a profit in q2 but claimed losses last year when purchasing ( buiiidng ) a 750’million plant. Thats an investment and this year sold a ln investment. Goes both ways CPC.
CPC continues to pay bonus and at risk pay at 4 percent to supervisor and more the ones above. (And btw the apoc association which is supervisors will get the same raise as cupw and don’t have to do anything to get it. Just show up to work )
CEO has a job while losing 4 billion??????? And all 22 vp as well. Seems to makes sense lose money keep job ask for money to live get told we are greedy.
We ask for 22 it’s not what we will get if we asked for 15 would you complain ?
Anyone that says it such an easy job. Guess what CPC is always hiring apply get that job you say is so easy to do. See how long you last in the first -39 day walking 12 to 20 km
CPC also refused to make an offer tell negotiations were almost over. This could have been done 2023 not last min.
Settle now and CPC will not be posting losses over Xmas mail it’s costing more by not settling with the union. Simple accounting no income =lay off mangers pay and settle = juicy bonuses for your managers again and staff busting their butts getting everything to ppls houses for Xmas and Santa letters for all the boys and girls ( and some of you adults as well)
Nobody spent $750 million on a plant last year. Is that how companies buy real estate? All in one lump sum payment…c’mon son, as if. Also there is no bonus and at risk pay, it’s all at risk. You do your checks, paperwork, safety discussions and everything else and you might get something. This isn’t for everyone who just shows up. The people who you think are terrible are likely not getting anything.
Just in case there are people on here that think that we are essential, read this article.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/jesse-kline-canada-post-went-on-strike-and-no-one-cared/ar-AA1usbyg?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=HCTS&cvid=1f3e9052c3f7499499a2513fa9a6fb93&ei=19
As long as we are still mandated and required by law to deliver mail to all Canadians, no matter what remote location where they may be, continues to make us essential.
lol this is not a real reporter, this is someone living in their parents basement, walking around with her headphones on, ignoring society. When she gets her drivers license or has saved up enough to buy a plane ticket, she’ll realize that she needs us very much.
That journalist has a very myopic and self centered viewpoint. If you read that story off msn.com, check out the comment section. Lions share of comments in our favour rather than against us besides the obvious “too much admail ” retorts.
Actually, apart from the admail rant the points are extremely valid. That is the sad part. You can’t see it and its right there in front of you.
I see more than you realize. I see the fear mongering you are attempting. I see the brainwashing you try to fool people with. I see you are management trying to get your way recouping money you spent like drunken sailors off our backs due solely to your ineptness and inexperience running a company. You guys are hemorrhaging money in so many areas you don’t even realize because you’re too pompous and obsessed to do anything other than attacking employees as the only problem. Maybe you should go back to selling milk and chcolate
Her comments are all valid. We’re constrained by the government and held back by the union.
Just wondering what our supervisor are doing while we are out on the picket line? Instead of counting elastics or whatever you guys are doing inside, why not take the opportunity to replace all the delaminated license plates on our fleet here in BC. Take a look around in your yard, you are too busy inspecting our circle checks but you forget to take a look around at what’s clearly out in the open. Recognize these are free to replace ans are subject to a $230 per plate. Get to work. Do something productive. The yard is all yours.
I can imagine the mountains of CRMs they are going through…
In BC the supervisors are dropping off our parcels at UPS and paying for UPS to deliver them.
Yeah, that’s not happening.
that is false…that is illegal and not happening
illegal how?
I am calling BS on this story.
Nice way to stir the pot.
I Walked into a depot to help with the distribution of government cheques today.
The packages, I left for hold verification and missort are exactly where I left them.
Nobody is delivering anything until we get back to work.
Please, stop lying to cause trouble.
Yeah BC supervisors paying using their own money LOL
Plates on vehicles can wait till you are back sometime hopefully next month with any luck.
LC should not be able to take OT within their original scheduled hours because they finished early.
100% 👍
That’s your opinion, the fact is that they finished their route and are taking other routes that are no theirs… but I mean if you would like something like that, you are more then welcome to apply for an LC position
Would not be done early if you were not cutting thru people’s yards and doing the route as designed.
I disagree with this statement, as a Lc in peg I’ve never cut someone’s yard, took short cuts nor anything like that, started at 8 am with a scheduled 8 hour route but finished around 2-3, gotten a warning for walking “too fast” but literally just walking normal speed for me, and take time out of my day for lunch. The rerouting routes didn’t go in their favour when people memorize their routes
haha goodluck with that we are here to stay and personally the only reason ive stayed around made 140k+ last 5 out of 6 years and almost always done in under 8.5-9 hours so thanks for the awesome system cpc wtg!
You never made a 140k, why you lying..? Are you even an employee.? You think anyone believes your BS, don’t come here and spread misinformation..
“tito” I feel like I could have written your comment myself. My numbers and scenario are almost the exact as the ones you have stated. Completely broken system that I am fully taking and have taken advantage of for years. House paid off and still not retiring for 5 years. It’s all GRAVY now! I was happy with the wage offer no need to jump another tax bracket right. All the terms not getting work stick it out your day will come. My first 2 years sucked but it’s been great ever since. Best of luck to all, cheers!
I agree 💯%
I have worked for CP for 10 years and I am ashamed. The media, people, everyone around us is upset with us, and we have damaged our reputation really badly. I already found another job and I am not going back. I cant believe the CUPW is doing this i did not want this at all. It is embarrassing that we destroyed so many people’s lives across the country.
Don’t get embarrass and we don’t destroy people’s lives because people say we are not essential workers anymore.
Why is it that to remain competitive, the worker has to take the hit and work weekends without OT pay. Right now there is money to be made on weekend delivery. By not doing it we get zero money. Therefore if the company was to make anything , it would be more than zero. They will not make as much as they would if parcels were delivered during the week but it would be more than zero. They could pay weekend rates and turn a profit. Hell they could charge customers an extra $5 for weekend delivery and give them the luxury of choosing. We’ll call it. ” Priority Parcel”. They have many varying products like this for letters and parcels already. “Need it now” rates.
Just spitballing. Surely someone in marketing can come up with an idea. If the employees extra $15/hr is eating up all the profits, you don’t have the volume to mail on the weekends.
Here’s an idea.
All Radars, ULINES and flyers should be mailed on the weekends. 🙌
No more weekday delivery of ulines. 👏 🎉
It’ll be just like when you’re 10 years old delivering a newspaper route with flyers and coupons.
Ah, the good old days. 😊
Great idea, now instead of 50 routes at your depot, evenly need 30. You know, since you don’t want to do that kind of work
Remember in the 90’s when we had a dedicated workforce that only delivered Admail? And how the union completely ignored them until the govermnent ordered us to get out of the Admail business so 10,000 workers were let go. Then the union suddenly decided the Admail guys were important and used them to gain sympathy for the 1997 negotiations? I remember that. Way to go union!
Ok, the OT is given to the full-timers first. We casuals or new employees have to scavenge on leftovers. We get looked down upon by the senior LCs.
I hope the CPC and the union see what is actually happening and give us a chance to work, too.
No overtime +More new hires =more union dues. Hence, no increase to union dues.
It’s a win-win situation for everyone except people hungry for overtime pay.
If a full time employee wants OT, they will have wait at the back of the line.
It’s called seniority. Your day will come if you last that long
No, it’s call being entitled and greedy.
We are never going to receive the same benefits as people who worked with the company for 20+ years.
Welcome to the new and improved Canada post. Have you not noticed part of why we are on strike is the union trying to fight some of what you just mentioned, albeit at our expense. Also start working anywhere and you start at the bottom and cut your teeth, just like we all had to do. Stop whining with your misguided sense of entitlements about not having what took us years to get. Like I said your day will come ,if you last long enough but the way you’re already complaing I doubt you will.
So what’s your point?
Those senior LCs were not hired as seniors , it took years of hard labor to become seniors. You just have to wait a wait a lot of years to become senior..
Why is it that senior LCs who make a heck of a lot more than casuals, part-time, junior LCs pay the same amount for union dues?
It’s mind boggling how bias the CUPW system is for union dues?
If a casual works only 1 day in a month, they are still expected to pay as much as if someone who is full time and maxed out on the corporation’s pay scale. There goes the casual’s paycheck. They are basically working for free.
If the union decides to raise union fees after negotiations, they should consider raising by seniority. If someone is constantly requiring union services for grievances, they should be charged for the number of times they file them.
(I know one person in particular who consistently contacts the union to get her out of so many predicaments. They are not nice to anyone, but still manages get out of the punishments they deserve.)
Also, why not prorate their dues by pay scale and years worked?
Way back when I was a casual, we had no rights and nobody was complaining. People were sent home if the supervisor did not like the way they were working. CUPW got them all the rights they enjoy today. Now a casual hired yesterday wants the same as a 30 years employee. Seniority has to mean something. Sop tis non sense.
I love it when I hear casuals and new hires cry about f/t getting ot and your left with the crap. We work for years to get that privilege, it’s called seniority. Even in the private sector you have to work your way up. You don’t get hired and everything is handed to you on a silver platter. Wake up and stop feeling so entitled.
Well said, thanks,
Not a well thought out argument but I appreciate that you tried. I guess you missed the part about how the competition already works on the weekends but as a regular shift. Nobody will pay for weekend delivery, it’s just expected that they will get it on the weekend. It’s also not an extra $15 since a shift on your RDO pays double time. Having you out there for $60 hr is exactly what makes this company unprofitable
Exactly.
Just treat the weekend pay like a regular work day pay and give it to the new LCs or casuals.
Plus, save on RDOs and save Canada Post.
No more greedy LCs who always want to take all the RDOs and OTs. I always see them sweet talking the scheduling supervisor and superintendent to get more hours. 🧐
No OT or RDO for LCs on weekends unless, the depot or sorting facility runs out of people to schedule.
Treat weekends like weekday pay like as you were retailer.
Retailers don’t pay employees extra on the weekends.
They schedule people on weekends with the same pay as weekdays.
Weekends are much easier to deliver as safe drop when people are generally home.
Why would you safe drop a parcel if they’re home?
You knock on the door and leave it there. Don’t pretend you’re waiting for them to take it out of your hands
Feel free to go work at said retailers
No one wants to work just 2 days a week! CPC will not find permanent staff for this, EVER! So you may have a couple only weekend PT lc that will work but majority will bid off onto LTA’s and then you will be seeing me work weekends on double time.
Stop with the excuses.
There casuals who would do the work on weekends.
That’s true, I don’t know why CUPW doesn’t understand that when there are competitors who are providing cheaper prices for delivering all days why would someone pay extra to CPC for delivering on weekends. Its just wishful thinking.
I agree that new hires or casuals could do weekend work, but don’t say ft lc shouldn’t have better opportunities than a new hire. It’s called seniority after years of being with cpc. Don’t feel so entitled. If you think that’s unfair go work in the private sector and see what happens.
Great advice. What do you think would happen to most of your friends if they also had private sector jobs
I worked in a private sector job.
We are luck since we are protected by a union.
Even if you suck at the job, it’s hard to get fired with Canada Post.
I appreciate all of the comments attacking the LCs for picking up OT and getting paid for it. But my questions are, why is there so much overtime? What can’t we find these cheap workers to do the job? I don’t even sign up and my staffing super calls me for help. BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO AND CANNOT DO THIS JOB FOR SUCH LITTLE PAY. I have trained dozens of LCs but they don’t last. That’s why they pay us in the end. 24% raise, and then people will feel like working and there will be less overtime. Show some respect for the work that is done. We are not a parcel delivery company!
I have never maxed out my hours since I am casual.
It would be nice to get a few more phone calls to come into work.
Apparently, full timers get first dibs.☹️
Actually it’s probably because the staffing supervisors are totally disorganized. It shows you what will become of this company if dynamic routing is allowed.
Don’t you have new supervisors coming in every week in your station? When you have an issue who can you talk to, to get it resolved? It’s a rotating door of supervisors that can’t communicate in English and don’t care to finish the job. So you spend weeks and months bringing up the same issue to several supervisors. And then they want to have a different LC on the route everyday. Imagine if there is a health & safety issue, nothing will get looked at and multiple LCs will be injured until finally the light bulb goes off.
We will have to be now.
It must be nice to work the 8 hours within 5 hours then collect the overtime on top since you probably card all the packages you consider parcels that you don’t want to deliver.
The regular route plus the OT all done under 8 hours.
Bravo 🙌
When you’re good you’re good!
Supervisors remove thirds from noobs and they still don’t complete the route lol.
We didn’t get that help before so it’s actually more profitable to pay 1.5 for someone to do it efficiently.
Why the pessimism?
Is it because you want the OT so you get more $$$?
The Noobs will be fine with proper training. It took me about 3 months to a year figure out how to be more efficient.
Everyone goes through the being on call process, as for the ot everyone gets the equal chance because the line moves.
Sure I’ll pick some up if it’s convenient but at the end of the day I don’t do this job for the money but more the QOL it provides me with. 😉
When I was a noob, I got 3 days training inside, and 3 days on route training. Then expected to deliver full routes with no help and not put in for any overtime. 30+ years later I’m still here. And you guys today complaining that your job is so hard…
Haha, I’m glad you are so upset about it. I make sure to wave goodbye to my useless supervisor, sitting there watching his computer screen all day, as I head home. And no I don’t card all the parcels, because according to this company we don’t have any, so that doesn’t really affect my day at all.
I would do it, since I have worked for less than what we are getting now.
I have had at least 10 other jobs in my lifetime, and Canada Post is one of the best jobs I have ever had.
I have seen that phenomenon many times too. I have seen people quit within the first week. People need to be respected personally and financially. Otherwise you will have poor production and constant turnover.
Cause they double dip by taking OT within their original work hours that do not even work. This wastes a great deal of $$$$
PT and Casuals get nothing and prop up FT.
I want to remind you there are a bunch of “DOUBLE DIPPER” LCs in my depot who are always on top of the list for OT, but have not even shown up to picket duty.
Plus, they are the pets of management.
How is this fair that they get all these benefits and not care enough to support the union (by picketing in solidarity)that fought for all the gains they get to enjoy?
I hope they get admonished by union and their fellow coworkers when we get back to work.
How can they be always on the top? Is there no equal opportunity list?
You better become a parcel delivery company. You can’t keep your wagon hitched to mail. As the population grows the pieces are dwindling. Half of the community doesn’t want to deliver flyers anymore either. What is it you want to do exactly, for 24% raise you say?
Lol I love all the comments…now half of the community doesn’t want flyers, you can’t just throw out made up percentages. Definitely not half on my route. But I can’t speak for all of Canada like you
I would do the job little or no OT.
You haven’t worked another job besides Canada Post.
Try working retail at Walmart or serve burgers and fries at McDonald’s.
Tell me then your job is hard and low paying.
We are so close to a deal, but both sides are so mistrusting of the other.
Stop with the egos and get us back to work so we salvage of what’s left of our reputations.
How are we going to win back the trust of our customers if we squabble over petty issues?
Canada Post and the workers need to work together to develop a better business plan. As postal workers, we should allowed to input on ideas on how to improve the corporation.
Every decision is controlled by a small group of egocentric greedy individuals in Ottawa and Gatineau. Apparently, it’s the whole concept that “greed is good.”
It ‘s called “The Gekko effect [that] highlights the fact that some corporate cultures may transmit negative values to their members in ways that make financial malfeasance significantly more probable.”
We need to get rid of the lazy selfish ones, too.
Read the news:
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/jesse-kline-canada-post-went-on-strike-and-no-one-cared/ar-AA1usbyg?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W046&cvid=1959ab7f882b4f40894d061e323243a1&ei=19
Does not matter for us, we are not here for what peoples opinion.We are here to serve the public, we do our best to deliver the mail.
CPC says “new terms and conditions of employment…” and we say “we will NEVER work under these terms – ever!”.
Better look for another job then!
The Union will not take part in a race to the bottom with “gig-economy” platforms, whose business model depends on cheap labour with no rights.
This is ludicrous. These workers will all be paying dues and have as many rights as anyone else. Stop pretending that you care about anything other than your overtime, which is exactly like the hated bonus you talk about.
Someone correct me but the current temps are already cheap labour with little or no benefits. I don’t see the difference. They don’t want to take away from LCs Mon to Fri but complain that they are currently overburdoned and work over 8 hours.
Exactly.
Come on negotiators! Just agree and let us get back to work. 😡
Canada Post doesn’t want to agree. They want arbitration. Their plan all along. They are cowards making bank off of our backs…
Please just agree to weekend deliveries without any overtime or RDO.
Just schedule the new employees to deliver scannables and priorities in weekends.
Nice try but NO
Hi
I was currently in training for the first two weeks prior to the strike. I just saw that I am paying union fees already. I was told by friend who works for Canada post that I can join the picket line. I just don’t know where I am suppose to picket since I was in training . Can someone guide me to where ? Union hasn’t msg me either
You should contact your local union office! Everyone that pickets for 4 hours will receive $56.20/day for a max of 5 days per week. Contact your local union office for more info though – they will be able to give you all the info. The corp will not help with this info.
According to CUPW we will deliver important mail like social economic cheques… so when can we go back to work to deliver to cheques on our routes?
I wish I could just go to work tomorrow.
They went out today but you may have missed the sign up m. Next month I guess if you are still interested.
It’s CUPW’s fault for delaying talks, if you look at recent bulletin it’s all about RSMC’S, is this all were doing. ? Everything for RSMC’S..? We’re the majority and we should all be questioning why over 3 negotiations for less than 7000 members get priority over us. Canada Post is not the problem, CUPW is by screwing us constantly with lies
Yeah, according to the national agreement, CUPW is required to provide the volunteers. They taking credit in the media for delivery yet right across the country lack of volunteers means that tons of actual “hard-done-by” people won’t get their cheques today. Well done union!
Hey man!
Stop with negativity.
Our local allowed us to deliver. There were lots of volunteers to sort and deliver.
It’s actually great seeing that the CPC and CUPW agree on some things.
Hopefully, we can get all the government cheques out today.
The Canada Post network is part of this country’s national infrastructure. The pandemic proved this in spades. No other Federal entity directly engages with more Canadians on a daily basis than CP. And yet, The Government Of Canada refuses to provide the support needed to ensure that CP can carry out its government directed mandate without exploiting new hires and front line employees. SHAME!
Government support will be coming, but may not be what you want. CPC’s mandates will be changed so they can get out of the last-mile delivery business in urban centres in favour of privatization. What will it look like? There will be no urban LCs, and smaller urban depots will close and their real estates sold off. That’s the sustainable future long set in motion from previous management’s incompetence and hastened by CUPW’s antagonistic stance and unrealistic demands.
🍻👏 Exactly.
I already delivered a bunch of government cheques today in cooperation with CUPW EXECUTIVES and Canada Post Executives.
Thanks CUPW and Canada Post for doing something right.
As a long time employee of CPC I feel completely abandoned by the Federal Government.
Governments of both stripes have long used the “arms length” talking point to relieve themselves of the responsibility of proper oversight of this Federal Institution. This is ultimately a governance issue.
Secondly, I do not doubt that there are elements in government and CPC looking to divest of real estate holdings for a one time hit; isn’t that what SSD is really about?
I thought your battle cry was for no government intervention? The reason for half of the issues are because they interfered with Postal Transformation back in 2013
I am not talking about government intervention in collective bargaining, I am talking about government oversight of the corporation! Don’t you think the government of the day should be engaged in ensuring that the executives it appoints and the managers that carry out policies of their behalf are competent? The Government of Canada is the soul shareholder of CPC and it is the lack of a coherent vision of what CPC should be by The Government, both Liberal and Conservative, that has
led to this crisis.
Canada Post is a Federal Institution whether you like it or not and the government of the day should be engaged in the governance of that institution to safeguard against mismanagement!
CPC is tasked with providing all Canadians with a service and make profit. Why? Does Parks Canada make a profit? What other Federal Institution has paid taxes and provided The Government of Canada with a dividend?
Well Put!!!!!
I agree 👍.
The pandemic proved to other companies that there was lots of meat on the bone. That was the beginning of the end. Companies like UPS realized that they could deliver to retail and business all day and then use the same vehicles at night to deliver to homes. Way more efficient use of vehicles and delivering in the evening there is less issue with safe dropping, because people are home. None of you would ever agree to work with heavy boxes to strip malls and none of you would like to work after dark either. So here we are…By the way, you don’t want the government to get involved, as has been made abundantly clear by your members. Unless they don’t really have the voice of the members, which is more than likely, given the weak strike mandate, unofficially at 95%, but we all know the truth there.
I like the first part of your analysis, Last Part Not so much If you incentive the workforce Much can be accomplished. UPS workers make way more then CP workers. But they work Much Harder, and as / your example UPS uses Capital much more efficiently. Maybe We can compare CP to Via rail more Apples to Apples.
An interesting article from CTV News this morning, esp. for those financial crises deniers: https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/they-squandered-10-years-of-opportunity-canada-post-strike-exposes-longtime-problems-expert-says-1.7116702
If nothing else, the last part, from Ian Lee, associate professor at Carleton University’s Sprott School of Business, should be heeded: Lee predicts that the next government, regardless of who wins the next federal election, will impose drastic changes at Canada Post.
“I am predicting there will be very large downsizing, very large layoffs,” Lee said. “Canada Post is unsustainable as it’s now presently structured.”
It has to happen otherwise tax payers money will be used to pay for CPC employees salary.
You mean for the Essential service that CPC employees provide.
What is CPC providing that other courier cannot provide?
Mail.
Weekend deliveries and cheaper rates for local businesses.
Really-essential?
True. I don’t see other courier refusing mail if you go and pay for it. Fees will be higher but they will still ship it. Is CPC really essential? Nothing separate CPC from other courier.
How’s your passport or doctor’s results or financial statements doing? Those seem pretty essential to me. Also, the other couriers could do it but they are even more greedy than us, they would charge 3 or 4 times the price for mail. Our service keeps this reasonable for Canadians, so we could be paid a little more for our essential service. That’s what it was called during the pandemic, remember?
Money, Finances, Always rules in the End.
What shocks me is Lee’s assessment that cpc needed to change 10 years ago. Well… that’s what postal transformation was all about 15 years ago and pt 2.0 in 2011 2012. And cpc was fully aware in the decline of letter mail then and begin openly announcing the business shift from letter mail to parcels. And they were successful. So how these managers and the current ceo put this company $3 billion in debt is a mystery. It wasn’t happening under Chopra. My only conclusion is the ceo and cpc management are attempting to pull off a gordan gecko.
It would be nice if Canada Post hired actual postal workers to run the company, not a bunch of over entitled educated greedy businessmen who are trying to liquidate the corporation.
It’s not us postal workers fault, we don’t make the decisions. We try to give our input on how to improve Canada Post’s business but it always fall on deaf ears.
We are so behind in the technology, marketing and sales of services and goods. We should have developed our own banking service and e-commerce division at least 14 years ago before some genius decided to sell Innovapost and our other tech division.
Hopefully, the government is smart enough to make the corporate 🤡 clowns 🤡 in Ottawa and Gatineau step down soon.
Knowing how to sort and deliver does not make you capable of running a company. I know you have all of the answers down there in the trenches, but do you really think you could last a week in those roles. Like Kramer who just shows up to an office job…” It’s almost like you have no business training ing at all”…
Look before judging anyone, before Canada Post, I worked in marketing for over 10 yrs.
I also run a business on the side.
I ought to know some things about operating a business.
Working Canada Post is a side gig for me and it’s one I enjoy.
I talk to other postal workers who are extremely smart and have many brilliant ideas on how to turn the corporation around.
Unfortunately, we get lots of pushback by arrogant haughty management types who look down at us for being postal workers.
Anyways, I hope you enjoyed your big bonus. It will be the last one you get since you’ll be looking in the job banks for a new soon. 🍻
Your so called qualified demigods are also obviously incapable of running a company as proven by this conversation needing to happen
Lee has been saying the exact same thing for 20+ years
Objectively Whats going to Happen Is the Industrial relations Board will Order Binding Arbitration, CUPW will Spend Millions Fighting in Court maybe win…..Then All the government does is Change a few words in the Law and we are at square one Again. CUPW is out millions…..
CUPW never wins, over 30+ years of failed negotiations. If you see the last issued notice it talks about the RSMC’S, nothing about us, the national is corrupt with RSMC’s and in turn has made them the focus of negotiations which makes this strike useless for everyone else. They will lose like usual, useless union and claim victory for RSMC’S while we get bread crumbs for a raise.. CUPW you corrupt bunch of uneducated clowns, all you executives should step down for this act upon the majority of the membership.. Union spends millions of our money so they don’t care what they spend, as they will raise our dues again for being unsuccessful again
The union will probably try to recoup the dues we’re not currently paying as well.
Well they better cut spending on trips to Cuba and National committees and conferences to help the socially marginalized.
No more free vacations.
Another few months on the line and CPC will break. Stay strong!
35 years ago PO5s were getting 14 cents/hr. more than a PO4. Now the wages have more than doubled but the PO5 is still getting that 14 cents and it’s not even on the table. CUPW is negotiating the RSMC issues who joined the union yesterday.
What I don’t understand is, nobody really cares what the upper management makes, including the government, as long as everyone is relatively happy getting a raise and work is being done. Why do we need to be in the news.? Why does this company pick a fight, weekly with its employees? Why do we need a ‘major overhaul of working conditions and more temps and part-timers? Our workforce has been slowly shrinking for years through attrition. And that’s fine. If they want to give themselves a raise go for it I don’t care. Just be a little smarter and realize that everyone should get one….And nobody is buying that we are sinking. Pension is well funded, and $10b in revenue is healthy, just stop spending so big and so fast. 18% raise over 4 hrs, don’t touch the pension or benefits for new hires, union needs to allow more part time on weekend delivery, and less OT. The company needs to stop playing games with new hires forcing them to stay in lower pay brackets. I have no issue with the graduated pay, it’s normal in any line of work, you don’t get top dollar day one. Just my thoughts
Its not healthy though. The fixed costs of corporate PO locations staffed by a people who don’t generate much money is a problem. Delivering to far flung outposts is a problem and paying OT to people who finish early is a problem. Nobody is paying themselves and getting more than they can get anywhere else. None of those people are getting rich here. You talk about the concessions of part time and reduced OT, but the union will not allow it. They are the problem in this situation
New hires will be DC pension, the company will die on that hill ass APOC and PSAC both have been DC for the last 2 contracts.
Ans unions seems to be willing to die on SSD reversal.
You are wrong there. APOC losted DB back in 2015. Anyone after that is on DC and CUPW is next.
PSAC is DC, not DB
Nerves shattered. Anxiety at an all time high. Stress levels that can’t be measured. Fears uncertainty and concerns you can’t even imagine. These are just some of the emotional distresses that prevent cupw cpc and mediators from sleeping. Keep up the good work.
I for one have enjoyed not delivering 16 sets of junk to each house the past few days. Highest injury rate in Canada! But of course every meeting from our genius supervisors is an opportunity to blame us for the injury.
Enough with the 16 sets. We both know you are exaggerating about the one time it happened. Under 6 is likely your average. Without them your satchel is barren, like your hopes for a quick settlement.
Not sure where you work, but 16 is the norm in Toronto. And many of them are not thin pizza flyers, they are large, heavy community magazines. Give your head a shake
You’ve never been in a depot then
In Abbotsford around 15
In maple ridge closer to 20
Well, I am sure that “problem” has gone away for good this time. “Hey, look how cheap it is to use digital and cool Instagram posts”…”The cost of print and postage is not worth it anymore, but I was stuck in my ways. Now I see there are better options, I can use that money for other things.”
This is what you want I guess? This is what you will be getting now
lol, no it’s not, who else can deliver to every house that cheap. It’s only getting more lucrative, and the company knows it. I used to have about 5 flyers a week, now it’s 8 a day on a slow day, 16 during this season.
Wait till you go back what your route will look like the 2nd back, fliers and mail for days.. The plants are completely full of mail. I remember when PT came into effect people didn’t come in for 2 weeks because the routes were so bad.. Now with SSD it will be worse..
Have to roll out CMBs to fix that problem.
The quality of your thinking determines the quality of your Life
There’s always jobs inside! If it’s too hard being a LC! At least you’re not dealing with the crappy weather,all the flyers,etc! But you do have to work weekends and maybe not get dayshift(depending on your seniority) We all have to make sacrifices
We all have to make sacrifices, that’s what they keep telling you and so you believe it. How much have the CEO, VPs, Directors, Managers, Superintendents sacrificed? I’m willing to take the same hit.
Pay bands have been frozen for 10 years! The entire corporation is underpaid, not just CUPW.
To clarify we all have to make sacrifices it’s like this…Us inside workers have to do weekends so if it’s too hard to LC which I wouldn’t do if you paid me double especially the weather,dogs etc and broken down bodies…well I see a lot complaining people don’t want to work weekends…then sacrifice like us inside workers and do weekends if LC is too hard…and FYI! Cpc needs to trim fat from the top and CUPW needs to get out of the 80s/90s both sides just as bad as the other IMO
I love some of the experts here and in the media that say we are not as relevant as we used to be. Just think, companies cannot advertise to every house right now, because we deliver for them. The best and cheapest way. You do not get a piece of mail because we deliver them. Every person in this country is affected. We are very relevant. When the government wants to communicate with you they send you correspondence by mail, whether it be the local, provincial or federal government. When there are changes and issues with infrastructure near your home it is communicated by mail. ONLY we deliver that. Let’s just see how this week goes. Some smartass will respond ‘I don’t get mail or want flyers so I have no need for Canada Post’, but that is not majority of Canadians. Especially as you move farther from the big cities. And it will be very apparent by the end of this week. I say a deal will be struck and we will be back to work by next Wednesday just in time for everyone to benefit from our services.
It’s a neat trick isn’t it? Lol. Oh, also, the amount of news reports that have companies crying about how this will affect them, how charities send out and receive a ton of mail at this time of year and how mail accounts for a huge part of there yearly donations, and how the entire rural population have no other options. Totally irrelevant……
I’m more pessimistic CUPW won’t agree on anything
Sorry by deal I mean that CUPW will also need to concede, probably less of a raise, but they will hold onto pensions for new hires and status quo for the other things…until next time of course. SSD is here, but it just needs some tweaks. Dynamic routing will be the next fight down the road.
I don’t know about y’all but I didn’t sign up to join a social justice pseudo political party nor fund it. I was under the belief the union is for postal worker and things related to postal ops. Why has the union taken on all these feel good social causes that divides the membership.
We need a union that focuses on postal ops and nothing else.
BINGO!
That’s why we need to find a way to decertify them and bring in a different union.
Exactly, couldn’t agree more!
Good article in the Globe and Mail. The media is starting to dig and find out what this company is all about. Part time, casual, we’ll call you when we need you, no benefits workforce. Stellar example for a Crown corporation.
CUPW demands for FAIR wages. Why don’t they start by collecting fair union dues for part time and casuals. Where is justice?
Umm not sure of your point here considering CUPW already gets approx. 80 million a year already by collecting dues from full timers etc.
Part time and casuals don’t get the benifits, vaca, personal days, pension, etc etc etc you all enjoy (to my knowledge) so I would suggest you focus on more important matters. Just a thought.
Meanwhile you all get to hammer that overtime and head home at 1 pm
Interesting how the hard working and most efficient employees are offers and willing to work even harder and longer and more efficiently to get the work done that needs to be done.
Just an FYI the company created the environment we are in! It’s up to them to fix it! Don’t point fingers at the backbone of the company.
They are attempting to fix it. They are unable to because of your handlers inability to grasp reality
What’s really p#$$es me off is knowing that the people who complain the most about wages, benefits, pensions, health and safety are the ones not showing up for picket duty.
They are the ones who have the most to gain, but they have the nerve to not support the rest of us workers who are picketing.
When we all get back to work remember the people who sat out on picket duty. The next time they complain, ask them where were they when their fellow coworkers stood outside in the cold and rain day after day picketing in defiance of the terrible collective agreement the CPC had offer us.
Maybe busy working so they don’t end up homeless and so their kids do not starve. $56 bucks ain’t much.
Busy working as an UBER or DoorDash driver?
Didn’t the union warned everyone to start saving up over six months ago?
Unlike, some people I listened.
I have another job, but I still managed to take the time to stand outside for picket duty everyday.
Plus, I am not rich.
I have kids and take care of my elderly parents.
Good for you!!! Way to go!!!
Yes great job thx for solidarity
Do you really think standing in the cold, with signs is making a difference?? They’ve been in negotiations for a year! How about CUPW get serious and negotiate a deal already!
Yes, it does.
Why does it matter to you if they do or don’t?
You already made it clear you have another job to keep a roof over your head and feed your starving kids.
By mass picketing, we are sending a strong message to Canada Post that we as workers stand in solidarity and can’t be pushed around. With media covering the strike and so many workers showing up to picket, it shows the public how dedicated we are for our cause.Also, we are rallying in support for negotiators to get this deal done.
Even if we do get back to work, you will probably be the first to complain that CPC and CUPW didn’t negotiate everything you wanted.
Good luck going back to work without being snubbed by fellow coworkers.
Good luck, CUPW likes us to suffer and then they will blame CP for their failures.. This is why we don’t need them, we need to remove them all..
Lol 56 bucks a day… what a joke
It’s not just about the $56 day.
It’s about supporting the fight for our jobs.
You obviously don’t understand about the pride we as postal workers take in working hard and serving out communities across Canada.
Should the two tier wage folk come out?
I would say no. National isn’t even trying to right this wrong but hey social justice takes priority.
Enjoy h0lDinG tHe LiNe blow that whistle boy
You can speak like that if the ones that are not at the picket line, were not paying their dues. I pay may dues, I don’t need to go picket, I expect that the ones that are taking my money away to do the the job they are getting paid to do.
Yes! Only union execs and reps should picket. But they are too busy “working”
You can complain about the union all you want. In the end of the day they at least went out to negotiate for your best interests.
It’s not just about paying dues to allow others fight against the corporation.
It’s includes being a team player and showing support for your fellow coworkers.
If you don’t want to picket it’s your choice, but when we get back to work you have to face your coworkers who did picket.
Good luck in getting any positive response from them for your actions.
I believe that would be called harassment.
Completely agree it would be harassment. How dare anyone think they can be “the judge or jury” for your personal choice. If u choose to picket for 56 dollars a day your choice. Others have a LOT more they need to make per day to save their house feed their family so this dang “ra ra” rant to picket is ludicrous. Grow up. Everyone has their own situation. Let the union do their job properly. No one should be “loosely” threatened or harrassed when we all get back to work. We are all colleagues who just want respect and work
When the union cares more about social justice and other causes than the actual members who pay their wages it is a big problem.
CUPW has been doing everything but representing us members. They gotta go.
Really hope that negotiations shenanigans can stop soon, and we can go to work by the end of the week. Kinda crazy how the needed 1 year a strike and financial loss to settle down issues.
Watching the negotiations go on not gonna mention where……niagara falls crown plaza hotel the sweat coming from cupw and cpc executives is greater then the falls. You know where the exits are executives if you can’t handle the pressure. The workers are loving it.
If you read the letter regarding negotiations from CUPW they mentioned addressing the issues for RSMC’S… What about us the 50k+ members getting screwed because the union Negotiating for RSMC’S and not us.. We don’t stand for them..
You misread, monday=CUPW in general and RSMC’S= tuesday in bulk.
I did not see that. Where did you read it?
Just like last time, giving priority to the subcontractors… what about common sense??
LC’ s really really need our own union again. This sham of a 55000 strong is showing how cpc is getting their own way by pitting everyone (LCs, clerks,po4,cleaners,North Korea post , Cuban tourism board,new hires,old hires,truck drivers, fresh air inspectors etc etc) against each other
Exactly, and don’t expect common sense from these Tyrants at CUPW. Bunch of sellouts for less than 4000 RSMC’s over the 50k+ of us.. Their negotiations should not be mixed with ours..
Such entitlement from the carriers. Now they want their own union, their own rules, their autonomy and the freedom to dictate their work process. Sounds like you might be ready to go into business for yourself. You have it all figured out.
Not the case.
We are trying to cooperate with the corporate executives in good faith in making Canada
Post viable and stop the losses.
Dude, you are giving priority to employees who have yet to be hired! Going through this process for new employees…that is ridiculous.
Black Friday is a pressure point, I can see CP getting phone calls from From Ottawa, All the business groups are sounding Louder. How Much is all this going to Cost CP……They have No choice but to settle. I just Don’t know where the Order to settle will come from.
They won’t settle, the government will order us back just like in 2018 before Black Friday and Cyber Monday.. Then it will go to arbitration and we’ll be screwed again
Exactly!!
It’s not a pressure point-black Friday is done for Cp this year. Companies that rely on us gave already signed on with other carriers to safeguard their customers. By your union striking each and every time in the Christmas season to get what you want, actually just ends up hurting you more. Just a steady decline in customers since your 2018 charade with rotating strikes. You drink your union coolaid too much and not using any common sense.
Agree strange they dealt with the smaller membership RSMC first.
I told them why they mixing our negotiations with RSMC’s again..?They want the RSMC’S to have same benefits as us, at what expense..? At our expense of getting a real raise and better benefits, be proud CUPW you screwed the members again, and you’ll be decertified for that costly mistake.
Apparently the union membership voted in favour of combining the RSMC with urban last year.
Unfortunately, it was a big mistake. CUPW executives were making up a bunch of lies to get people to vote in favour of joining urban with RSMC together in order to save them time and energy to negotiate on both separately.
RSMCs are just riding our coat tails to get what we got after decades of strikes and fighting. Now they are using 50,000 of us for their benefit. CUPW should not have members that have so different issues and have nothing in common.
RSMC should have their own union. LC should have their own union they did before! Stop this madness.
Why should one group get screwed over for another.
And stop pushing corporate vehicles for rsmc. They knew what they were getting into when they applied. Let it go!
they are going in alphabetical order
sincerely signed by an RSMC
No. Get your own vehicles.
obviously a joke 🙄…I do, i have no interested in a corporate
interest
Try reading to the end next time
rsmc’s posted up in a hunting tent with a propane heater today on the picket line. standing or walking for four hours is out of the question for those who can do their whole job while seated in their own personal vehicle. it is absurd that they are in the same union as letter carriers.
Canada Post does not like 5 day delivery . They want either a 3 day delivery or a 7 day delivery. Go figure.
If you can’t have 5 days then make it a 7 days delivery. Better more than nothing which is what’s happening now as we are on STRIKE.
The people most affected by this strike are the customers as well as us as postal workers. Not only are we employees, we are customers too. It’s like the CPC and CUPW executives forget that.
The longer we strike the longer we all suffer, except the CPC executives and management who get to enjoy their bonuses they received.
The corporation is a failure, but they gift themselves bonuses for good performances. If their performances are so excellent, why is the CPC failing? Stop burdening us workers for your own failures. We didn’t cause this.
On top of that, everyone seems to think the federal government is going to bail us out by throwing money at the CPC. It’s not going to happen since we are a Crown corporation that is self sufficient and runs on the money from the limited services we provided. Plus, the federal government has been running a deficit of $39.8 billion for the past 17 years regardless of political party in power.
Anyhow, it’s really hard not being able to work and service our customers knowing we have to fight for fair wages, benefits and safety in the workplace. It feels like we are being held hostage by the decisions of a few people who are playing with our lives.
I really want this fight to be over so I can go back to a job I enjoy.
One nice thing about this strike is that I get to know all my picketing fellow workers better.
There have been consistently at least 50+ people picketing every morning at the Vancouver Depot. I am proud to stand together with such an awesome 😎 group of people who I think of as my brothers and sisters.
Thank you to all the hardworking postal workers for showing up everyday to picket. You have made this horrible disruption a little less miserable
Glad you are bonding over burning pallets and donated coffee. Nobody gets to gift themselves bonus money, so stop embarrassing yourself with the uninformed chatter. Your union leaders have led you down this path, no one else wants to be here. If you think a delivery job is unsafe these days then maybe move into a different position. Lots of opportunities that nobody takes, because they only have these complaints when the contract expires. I bet you didn’t vote to be outside today…Did you meet anyone else who actually voted? I bet you didn’t
I did and happy to do it again.
Plus, not everyone’s coffee was donated.
We brought are own.
Why are you jealous you can’t join in?
CPC managent goes which ever way the wind blows!
Good update by CUPW. This is what we need. We won’t get everything asked for but me thinks the government is not happy with CPC. Behind the scenes they will help them to make a fair offer that we can accept
What is a good offer? Lowering was percentages over the 4 years over ghendar affirmation??
We would need to see more details but I agree. I don’t think the govt is happy with cpc and the fiasco they and only they fully and solely of their own ineptitude have created.
That’s what someone in CUPW would say. You are in a special union, one that only takes, with no sense of urgency toward helping fix anything. How about a little common sense? You rubes will never yield, as it goes against your very core principles. You would try to organize a rally on the Titanic if you didn’t feel like you got the same rations and pay as the Captain. You can read up on how that ending by the light of the burn barrel.
Third attempt to respond as Im not afforded the same luxury of berating others as you are. . In what universe should we help fix anything your overlords ineptitude created? When they needed us we were there now that the bill is due crying the blues all of a sudden. Do me a favour..
Well, because no change can happen without loosening the union shackles. You are all heroes…signing up for bottomless overtime and no contact delivery for a year and a half. Nobody else in this company is wading up to the “All you can raise and benefits buffet”. Time to order off the a’la carte menu for once. You don’t get everything you want anymore. Notice how businesses are still managing without you? It’s almost like we are less relevant. That’s why we need change.
Interesting, yet last round CUPW easily and quickly agreed to an extension. So quickly in fact, that many of the members were questioning their motives.
I think theres a good probability this will be the last contract.
You already have more than most and you think what you are asking for is fair? Take your skills and get more by leaving Canada Post if you think things are so unfair. No one ever does, hotel California.
I think there’s a good probability you need a hobby.
As a CP worker im so ashamed of what we have done to fellow Canadians. Lo there is no one on the picket lines and people are shouting at us from cars to get back to work
Nothing to be ashamed for fighting the good fight for what we deserve.
Thank you for showing up to picket.
This is the kind of money we are making. Can’t live without a pay cheque even for couple of months. literally living hand to mouth. Something is wrong.
Blame CPC executives and CUPW executives in Ottawa.
Why do you think most have two jobs? No matter what some out here would try to have us believe the money is no where near enough. But instead of quitting as they would love, we work even harder than the average person here or anywhere for that matter. In my book if you work youre good and NOTHING to be ashamed of. Educated or not. Unlike the fat cats and their almighty education screwing everyone over
If Canada Post is losing billions since 2018, it means that their executives responsible are failures. Why don’t they fire them? Why do they still get 6-figure pay and hefty bonuses when the company is losing $$$?
I agree, any normal company would have trimmed mgmt along time ago. The government needs to appoint someone to come in a gut the upper levels of Canada Post. Its embarrassing for corporation to be run this way and to be losing money like this with one terrible idea after another. I can think of many things of the top of my head this corporation could do to run leaner and be more profitable.
like?
They don’t really have any ideas. They think they can run a company better than the executives, because they are fast and efficient on their routes. Never mind the fact that the company has to run according to several mandates that nobody else would touch, given the choice.
Why aren’t you using your name. This post is a plant by the management. And can you tell us what had the management done to curve the loss
How about trimming the number of supervisors to start. Depots used to run with less than half the amount we have now, and there are way less carriers now compared to many years ago
Alternate day mail delivery, part time weekend delivery (reduce full time routes), flyers are planned out 3 days ahead, letter carries sort and load level 2 walks on alternating days, reduce mgmt by 50% or more, elimate lc’s and plant workers through attrition or retirement (Buyouts) by 50%, proper pay and treat employees with respect so workers take pride in their job.
How about no!
“We are 55,000 strong, and together, we are unstoppable.”
We are unstoppable. That is some woke statement right there…
Specially when this 55,00 is fighting for 5,000 RSMCs.
Everyone on here is so worried about christmas and how it will affect getting gifts for their loved ones. Seriously people, there are far more important things about christmas than just a couple of a gifts. How about the fact that this is causing a massive disruption to everyone involved?
So what? You can’t buy all the gifts you want to this year? How materialistic of you. Why not think about the larger picture? These gifts you’re so worried about aren’t going to pay your bills in an economy that living affordability is almost non existent. How about paying rent, mortgages, buying groceries, paying bills?
I’d rather be able to afford to pay for all of that and have my cell phone service to be able to call little Timmy christmas morning rather than sending him that $100 gift card like planned.
It’s hard to support your fellow employees in this situation when so many of them are worried that this is going to cut into the amount of gifts they can buy this year.
Hey, everyone is talking about delivering gifts and cards genius not buying extreme amounts for personal use. You know, Canada post delivers Christmas. Holy moly
Most people are subjective thinkers, They can only think of things as it relates to them.
Objective thinkers are like a drone looking down from high above seeing the big picture.
Want to think about the bigger picture? CPC won’t have any volume left if this strike continues. Do you want the govt to use tax payers money to pay CPC employees and have to cut benefits?
If we go down they go down. Enough with all the drama. THEY did this! Why tell Amazon we can’t handle your volume. What kind ofindividual would say that when you built a plant in scarborough right beside amazon
Amazon has their own delivery system in all the big cities. They are taking advantage of CPC for the last mile delivery.
Tens of thousand of first class letters mailed by elections b.c. were returned to sender (that’s what they told employees) undelivered because they could not deliver them. Then cry about not getting enough letter mail.
Our demands are fair. And please note the word “demands”!!! You wanted fight CPC — YOU GOT IT!
I’m not sacrificing my future years here to cave to this companies ridiculous demands. The union warned us 6 months ago to put some money aside because they could see this company’s attitude. I for one can handle a lost paycheque or two, to hold onto the work schedule that I have. No dynamic routing and no weekends for me. Sorry I have family and life outside of this train wreck
Leave and you will see whether it was better outside. Grass is not always greener.
Yes, the executive should leave. Let’s see if they can survive at a job that requires accountability! Account for the 3 billion dollars deficit in the last 6 years!
I already found another job. I never agreed to the strike, and I don’t want to be labeled as someone who doesn’t care about other Canadians. The truth is that there are many rotten apples at CP who are lazy, while some of us do the work. It is really sad that 55,000 people believe the cupw wants the best for them. They just want to increase their dues so they can make more money of our backs.
I respectfully disagree with you on “that 55,000 people believe the cupw wants the best for them”. What is truely sad is the majority of the members’ needs and wishes are being hijacked by a minority ‘Labour Movement’ zealots in their battles to win in ‘their’ class struggles.
Well said.
Just remember that some of these proposals are just the beginning. It’s not fair to change the job on people that have worked here to force them to work weekends and change their schedules, while the people up are unaffected. When Covid hit all the big wigs worked from home, while LCs with kids had to struggle to even find somewhere to keep their kids safe and juggle the job. Now this company wants to just take your normal job and introduce dynamic routing and weekend work…That’s why we are not coming into work. And we will make sure everything is at a standstill for as long as possible, until this greedy company spending like an irresponsible child backs off this nonsense.
Hahaha your take on things is ABSURD! Your level of education is really showing here. I hope you’ve done better teaching your covid kids the way the world REALLY works.
BooHoo how dare your employer change your M-F cushy schedule because of business needs.
Do you know any nurses, teachers, bus drivers, hydro workers or firefighters? Just to make a few! Ask them what their schedules are like? Your comment of anything just goes to show exactly what is wrong with the CUPW mentality and it’s army of entitled LC’s.
A lot of the workers you just mentioned have unions that have negotiated wages and working conditions. Why can’t cupw members have the same thing?
Why is it that nobody has said that the inside workers work weekends. They have for the entire time (25+ years) that I have been there. You don’t see them crying. They too have families.
Exactly! Thanks for pointing out the obvious. There are plenty of part timers and temps eager to get more hours from those who don’t or can’t work weekends. Letter carriers / delivery agents are in front line customer service operations just like retails, restaurants and public transportation where services to customers are needed weekdays and weekends. Please get on with the times, CUPW and LCs, instead of sinking the ship for everyone.
Yes, many of them getting split RDOs.
That kind of mentality is dragging CPC down. Decertify CUPW!
We have to decertify CUPW, we will never get a fair contract with these go to the bar during hours clowns. They took the weekend off from negotiating to rest because they’re so tired they actually had to work. Boohoo CUPW we really feel for you lazy tyrants while we stand in the cold picketing, the only solidarity you want is from our union dues that you carelessly spend on trips and parties while we actually work to provide for our families and pay our bills. Bunch of highschool rejects in CUPW
Man, how many times can you post the same comment! Don’t you have to do supervisor stuff, or are you bored already?
If CPC cared about anything but their bloated salaries they would have taken this negotiation round seriously. This is not out of character, that they stall until legally challenged or drag issues out for years. The truth is they don’t care about the small businesses that rely on them and the certainly don’t care about their workers. All they care about is some of the really big companies that they try to cater to. Hence why the constantly bend to Canadian Tire for two day delivery of their flyers, rather than follow the model provided to all other companies, which is three day delivery. What an embarrassment this company is
Which by the way used to be a 5 day delivery at 5 cents a piece the way they send them now unfolded. Started out as a MOA between the company and union. Now it is permanent procedure. One more step backwards for the LCs. Then they took away all the relay boxes to save a dollar here and there. It is no wonder we have the highest injury rate of all occupations.
how bout bring back punch cards and pay for time worked .no more home by noon with 8 hrs pay lol
What does it matter? The routes are built to 8 hrs, down to the number of steps each point of call takes. Penalize ppl for being productive, what a concept.
But many finish their 8 hour route in 4 hours and then pick up ot and ot and work it while still being paid for the first 8. I don’t agree with this.
It’s either that, and holding workers at CP because it always many not to have 2nd jobs, or you can give splits to temps and many still bring splits back just to be recycled the next day…
Again, the routes are all measured to 8hrs. If the carrier isn’t taking breaks, delivering faster than others and finding efficiencies, why should they be penalized?
This is exactly why you have ssd. Runners like this. No breaks, straight through, no line of route, early starts, and “efficiencies “. No company would tolerate 4 hours work for 8 hours pay. They’ll find ways to give you more. Wake up!
Because that’s the CPC management way! Punish those who work with more work (they’ve got to make their numbers somehow), ignore the lazy that don’t. Then blame the union when they’re not competent enough to properly fire the lazy.
Routes are designed for 8 hours, and most of us finish in 8 hours when volumes are high… so if volumes aren’t high and we are finishing under 8 hours is that the workers fault, or is rather from the company that isn’t able to give us more work?… So how do you fix this issue? Either you put random scheduled SLB clearances at the end of the shift so that the worker stays sitting in his truck for 2 or 3 hours without doing anything, make routes longer, like switching all routes to SSD, or the company has to get professional business people that are able to get more business for CP so workers can get their 8hours covered by actually working and not sitting around.
If this upsets you, maybe you shouldn’t have crossed over to APOC lol
Whats going to hurt us all the Most is Christmas cards, They cost around 2 cents to process and the rest goes to the bottom line….
That dentist bill really sucked yesterday as did the prescription. Bitter CUPW employees will return eventually. Did you add that to the equation CPC? What’s the cost of that going to be I wonder?
Who in their right mind who use Canada Post banking services with labor disruptions every 3-4 years? And this nonsense go get a loan…uh huh…not every bank is going to be that easy to get loans from especially if you’re not working🙄Both sides need to be ashamed of themselves causing this hardship.My kids are grown but all those little ones at Christmas it just makes me sad to think what Santa can’t bring them🎅while the two scrooges fight this out SHAME ON ALL OF YOU😡
?…..instant teller machines….I only go to my branch 2x year
Depends, many families actually teach their kids that Santa is not real.
UPS does inventory management for retailers. Why can’t CP do delivery management for customers. For a fee you can hold all your parcels and have them delivered on the weekend.
I have noticed a steep drop off on some of my High volume parcel customers why because of the do not safe drop. I leave 2 parcels and take one to the RPO for pick-up……
There are solutions but Ottawa only wants the low hanging fruit, the race to the bottom.
The sender selected Do not Safe Drop, that isn’t an Ottawa thing.
why is it an option then, without a charge i’m guessing and if its carded costs $1.50 or more. Same as a signature without the charge.
Hence, it might be better to be a LC over a PO4 when you can get $1 and extras from OT from delivery of Ulines and left behind priorities @other LCs don’t want to deliver.
Weekend Delivery
CP likes it because it lowers the average wage
CUPW likes it because more workers more dues.
Will it cut the company losses, With the increased cost offset by extra revenue?
Cupw is right to want postal banking heres why who can borrow money the cheapest The government (even cheaper then banks our competition). then lend it out viola profit….Higher average wage
Then Lend it out
No, people like you want it so you can get the RDO double overtime.
Let’s be honest.
Many part timers and casual have other jobs since they can’t get full time or more hours from Canada Post. They work where they can get the hours to pay for their bills just like full timers.
However, it’s some greedy full timer who can’t do the job in 8 hours that wants the overtime pay.
Even if they can do the job, they want to be paid 8 hours for 5 hours of work while at the same time accept overtime which they will finish within the 8 hours of their scheduled shift.
Their defense is their time value.
If their time value is so important, why don’t they just take the time to do their jobs properly without rushing and prevent the chance of injuries to occur.
The only time I worked overtime was during covid because if I didn’t there was 200 parcels to deliver on Monday and No overtime.
They stopped the loan program with conjunction with TD since the system was getting hacked.
Plus, people were have problems accessing their accounts.
Really, Interesting. Now we have a new Partner which isn’t a bank yet.
The union is to stubborn with a very old mentality
CP can be very competitive actually the best in the segment BUT there are to many slackers, very lazy employees that just want to suck the system as much as possible with zero appreciation to what they have unfortunately. Work, get the job done and you’ll have leverage to negotiate. On the other hand, you got the company that cheaps on everything especially work tools.
Exactly.
They cheap out on the workers, but give big bonuses to executives and managers (ie., 22VPs , 10 board of directors,~3000 managers, regional directors, supervisors and so on.)
Why give out bonuses if you claim Canada Post lost $5 billion?
Stop rewarding incompetence!
Management’s pay bands have been frozen for 10 years and we don’t get paid for working overtime at all – nothing extra after 7.5 hours or on weekends. The “bonuses” are incentives given to the workers based on individual performance. Plus we don’t have any job protection like our unionized colleagues.
Just for non-union member information, CPC managers are probably some of the lowest paid in the industry. Salary band frozen for 10 years = 1 to 2% raises a year and we lost the company bonus because we don’t have any profits. When you talk salaries please keep managers out of the equation.
Ah yes, the complaining about the bonus money…The battle cry of the uninformed and a true mark of someone without a point to make.
I’m for cutting down the number in management and using that money to give the rest raises and incentive bonuses…
What incentive do you want a bonus for? You don’t sell new business, influence safe work, expand product lines usage or increase productivity or efficiency. You chose to stay on the bottom rung of the ladder where you get paid to move mail. Do something bigger if you want a bonus position. Complaining about bonus for targets is like complaining about you working a 4 hour day, as in it’s not a legit argument.
You want more money? Job measurements is the key. There is no way to gauge what an employee does during the day. At the plant, the supervisors standing around and watching them doing the job for more than 3 minutes… the shop stewards already called that is “job measurement”… come on guys. The world won’t spin around you.
I agree with this 1000 percent
In the plant Leo Blanchette so many lazy people that take bathroom breaks every 5 minutes and will not help a colleague, they just stay in there spot the 8 hrs where it should take about 2 to 3 hrs to finish, but unfortunately the bosses don’t say a thing. If we the employees notice all the lazy people how can the bosses not notice…
Oh, the boss notices, but their hands are tied. CUPW protects them when they file grievances after grievances. We’ll have have a better workplace when the union allows the corporation to fire these lazy people.
Unfortunate reality is that the Feds HAVE to step in ASAP
They NEEED to give us binding arbitration due to the collective stubbornness on BOTH parties-guys, they have been negotiating for a YEAR ! with no or very little headway
We need to stop banging our collective heads and get back to work ASAP
I appreciate the CUPW advocacy , but to see if you have the backing of the MEMBERSHIP we need to vote on EVERY contract offer- let the NEB present us with an offer, tell us if they SUGGEST we take it, then let the MEMBERSHIP decide for themselves
Never been a fan of a tiny amount of people ( NEB) making decisions for 55000 members!
First of all there should be a 50% turnout of the membership in order to validate any strike vote. Then you should also have at minimum 2/3 majority of that to declare a strike, otherwise no srtike vote should be approved. What were the exact vote turnout numbers of the strike vote please.
Members have been fired and cold. Where is CUPW?
Haven’t heard of a single person being fired during the strike. Please post a link to your source…. Thanks!
Literally on cupw own site go check
Still available for the members. If you want to know what to do, just look at their website or contact a shop steward. The better question is, where is upper management? Cozy in their office or home collecting bonuses for losing billions of dollars for the corporation.
Who are they firing?
CUPW at home getting full paid and don’t care for its members, that’s why they’re delaying negotiations
No permanent member fired
Ummm yes permanent ft have been fired.
Laiyoffs is not fired
if the company is losing money blame it on the workers. However, if it’s making money take all the credit—-Management,
Yes! It’s taken right from trump’s playbook!
CUPW continuously demands that CPC needs to grow the business, most of us will agree that this is a great idea. However postal banking, check in services, etc are not the answer. We are in the delivery business, not banking or health care. Therefore it seems painfully obvious that weekend delivery is the best way to grow the business and allow us to compete with courier companies that already do this. Also this will create new positions which is a good thing. Our current employees will not have to worry about being overworked by taking on too much overtime. These new part time and temporary employees will do that work and begin their path to becoming permanent employees. Are we missing something here? Let’s use some logic and common sense and give this one a shot. Also CUPW this will mean more union dues for you as these new temporary employees get to pay the same dues as the rest of us, even if they only work 8 hours per week. Score !!!
The union doesn’t want weekends, because it takes away all the RDOs (double overtime) from the senior full-timers.
However, I think it’s a great idea to schedule weekend to all the causal and relief workers, so they don’t have to be laid off.
It would definitely save the corporation money.
If the business is to survive the weekends are non negotiable, too bad so sad. It’s a business and must do what it needs to survive. Secondly these senior full time who are maxed out are contributing zero to our pension, we need new employees to pay into our pensions in order for us to have one. We’re in the delivery business, not old age home or retirement homes. When I was a carrier we had MSC’s who were delivery agents and they should revive the position to bring in parcel delivery for weekend. If we don’t jump on the parcel delivery boat for weekends, the life of Canada Post will be short, losing business to other smaller logistics companies. I could care less and others as well about CUPW and the senior full timers who never leave, the future is parcels, 7 day or close the doors and everyone out of a job, I’m choosing job over Union and senior employees who think they deserve overtime when the company needs to meet the demands of business.
Not how pensions work. Even if you are maxed out, you are still paying into it, without any extra benefit. You also don’t need to keep putting new money in. Read a book today about it while you walk the line
Totally agree. Why did union Allow full timers to get overtime I pay when part timers and casuals do not even get 40 hours at straight time ?! Paying overtime when not necessary to give full timers more pay is nuts
CUPW has nothing against weekend work. We’ve recommended many different ways that it can work, and the corporation has refused every single one of them.
Company has the ability to deliver parcels on the weekends since 2018. In fact they had been doing it already in one of the major cities down east. The union is not against weekend delivery. CP wants to expand the workforce with temp, another
lower wage tier , less benefit workers. THAT is the issue.
We are not overworked with the few rdo that actually still happen. We are overworked everyday with ssd. Thats what needs addressing and adjustments made
If working a full 8 hour shift as a full timer under SSD is so hard for you, why don’t you go part-time or find another job that is easier for you?
I would gladly take you position where I could easily do your job under SSD.
So stop complaining. There is always someone willing to do your job without all the complaints.
Everyone I know injured under SSD are usually the ones who rush and don’t take the necessary precautions to protect themselves from injuries like not taking breaks in between their 8 hours shift. If you can’t finish within 8 hours, let your supervisor know so they can accommodate the position with overtime or someone else to finish the rest of the route.
The no SSD thing is an excuse for lazy people.
You, sir or madam have no idea what you’re talking about. I have worked harder more often than you can imagine. 500 door to door and 700 apartments is too much any way it’s looked at. I understand they wanted to have people working more full days but where was it written that the pendulum had to swing from 5 hours a day to 10 hour days. 1200 hundred pieces of admail multiplied by however many sets, usually at least 4 or 5 now including monstrous fliers such as Wendy’s, makes for a very heavy very long day every day no matter how you try to spin it. Starting at 10:30 am means no matter what you are guaranteed you will be out well after the street lights have come on gauranteeing the inability see ice patches, dogs and even thieves possibly stalking. Some customers wont even come to the door for registered items after dark
The reward after all this upon return to station is to collate more fliers for another hour and then finally go home to have dinner at 8 pm or even later. Work life balance has been completely and forcibly removed. I don’t care if the company is struggling, that is too much to ask from one segment of its work force. If you truly had knowledge first hand on this subject you might not be so quick to attack in such an arrogant and condescending manner and you certainly wouldnt wish you could be doing this position. I did not say i wanted another job. I am saying that in its current iteration its unsustainable and overburdening.
And hey, if you want to try it yourself first hand, please feel free. In fact I dare you.
I can’t imagine how much fun it would be folding 700 Wendy’s 14×14 inch flyers into apartment slots. That is another reason we have 5 times the injury rate of any other occupation in Canada. I could only carry mail for 20 years. Cpc started giving us time values for flyers and all of the sudden volume counts went from 70% coverage on average to 45%. Weird how the day after every volume count is completed we would have 3 days of double mail volumes. Then they try and tell you it’s all on the up and up as they smirk and walk away.
When you get hurt they put you inside to sort. Then you get to listen to the faker talk for your last 10 years of employment. Meanwhile they replace you with a new guy making $10/ hr less. With any luck they don’t quit after the first month. By then their bodies should be calloused enough to handle it. That is when it gets really weird. CPC will follow you around using invasive surveillance techniques to try and catch you slipping up.
They spend thousands on recruitment, training, testing, orientation and uniforms. Then once they think you got the hang of it and are at almost full pay, they try and catch you making a mistake so they can fire you.
Thank you for posting this comment. So much of the workforce have no idea about whats really happening and would never be able to do it. Being in management with a business degree and working at the post office is nothing to be overly proud of. Us bottom rung dwellers are the backbone of the entire company and you all know it but are too small to admit it.
You’re missing one major thing here. No one wants part time weekends. In theory it’s great, sure. In reality no one will do this work on a regular basis. So, let them have it and I’ll tell you why. The work will be done on OT every, single, weekend by the diehard OT lovers that we all know.
The only way to achieve a true weekend workforce is by staffing it with full timers and various RDO’s.
Tue-Sat and Sun-Thurs etc. compliment that with a couple part time weekend only sure.
Seniority gets you the coveted Monday to Friday. It’s actually really easy to do and really easy to staff and you can cover all of the bases.
Part time weekends only will not and do not work.
No more RDO.
As a part timer, I would rather work weekends. It’s always some greedy full timer defending their right for RDO.
However, so many senior full timers are hungry about getting overtime and RDOs.
Every time my shift got extended somewhere on citywide, some senior full timer would always grieve the fact they were overlooked since they wanted the overtime so badly.
BS.
I work part time and I want to work the weekends.
I know so many casuals out of work who never get called into work. Any vacant positions are always strictly call out as citywide and filled by full timers as overtime.
This is just some greedy full-timer defense to get more RDO.
This is the easiest thing to implement. Already how it works in the plant and how it should be staffed in a depot. I don’t understand why they don’t understand. Glad you pointed it out
It is time for the corporation to start listening to the people they employ to do the work. We have tried it their way through arbitrated decision for way to long and they have failed and still cry loses. The corporation needs to change their mind set that our collective agreement is not just noise. We are unionized, we stand up for good wages, good working conditions and good jobs. we consult and negotiate in good faith. It’s time the corporation to step up and listen to bottom line workers. Over decades they have gotten their way through arbitration, Enough is enough no more! Sit down and negotiate a fair contract! For those bashing the labour movement and our union cupw, educate yourself on what the labour movement means, what it fights for and what your roll Is as a member. The national executive boards knows what the labour movement stand for, do you? The labour movement does not rollover and play dead we fight, know our rights and support each other as workers. Divided we beg, united we win, an injury to one is an injury to all, good jobs, safe work floors and good wages makes a good economy. We are not against change, we are fighting that these changes respect the workers rights. We’ve tried it the Corporations way now is the time for the corporation to listen to the workers, take our contract and negotiations seriously.
I genuinely believe that much could be done.
Strike is going great! Another couple of months and we shall get everything we asked for! (and think of all the money CPC saved by not paying us during the strike)
I sure hope this doesn’t go on for a couple of months.
It won’t
Think about how it impacts new hire instead. CUPW is potentially putting a halt to new jobs across Canada because we won’t have any clients left.
Clients? Sounds like a word someone in management would use.
I hope the corporation is taking this time to hire more GM’s, directors, VPs and managers. We need more great leadership to keep this cash cow thriving. Thanks for your blood, sweat and tears CPC management you’ve really outdone yourselves this time around.
LOL! Now that’s satire!
At least those guys are working while it took your union 1 year to negotiate and they are still negotiating. Very productive!
“working” right
It took CPC over 10 months to come up with a lowball offer. If that’s your idea of “working” you would fit right in with them. Then again, maybe you are with them already, “working” by trying to troll people online.
Unifor files for conciliation in contract dispute with CPKS. Why is Cupw so against Conciliation.
The worst contract Cupw signed was the 2 year extension Which was negotiated. The best One Ive received in 20 years was the last 4 year contract before the 2 year extension.
CUPW and CPC have already gone through a conciliation phase. CUPW does not want an “arbitrated” result because we always lose some stuff when this happens. CPC is a little scared of Arbitration too, because we could get more than they would like to give us…
Never in a an arbitration did we get more, we’ve always lost, so that misinformation to think CPC fears it. We’ve already lost to arbitration for SSD, we lost to a judge over rotating strikes, look at CUPW’s track record of losing because they are highly uneducated and a bunch of hooligans. Look at them on the media, they can’t even dress the part, on the lines employees wearing pajamas, and ripped clothes, we can’t even represent properly. We’ve in the years of negotiations have lost more in arbitration than we’ve gained.. it’s a lose lose
I sense decertification coming.
It has to be done, if we continue down this path, I’m sure layoffs will be coming. Some people got laid off already, that shows you the union doesn’t care and just drags us through the mud. This is really demoralizing the way we’re treated and we need professionals because CUPW is not, time to bring in Teamsters
Would love the teamsters. Cupw can does not even provide water or tents for picketers in rain. Some union reps were drunk on picket line.
Geez
Stay the course. Scare tactics can’t you see
Permanent workers get job back as soon as collective agreement back on
To be competitive in this market, there is no other choice.
Despite what you insist, you are management.
Yeah right c mon
This could be a long strike. The union is not going to budge and the federal government has no plan to intervene. We used to be an essential service but not really anymore. Getting my resume updated just in case.
Give me a break
Be strong
Canada Post says they want to negotiate. Canada Post refuses to negotiate. Same ol’ story…
So what has CUPW been doing for over a year?
Exactly, people don’t see the problem. In the year of negotiations they went to Cuba on our dime when the priority is to negotiate, that’s a clear indication of how much they care about negotiating a contract for its members, all they do is lie and show up when it’s time to be elected again.. That’s all they do, Everytime
Why does CUPW take a year to negotiate? Why every time a councilator gets assigned do we finally get an offer.? CUPW does this all the time to milk our showing they Can’t negotiate. If that’s the case why do they waste a year and blame corporation..? You think CUPW cares..? They wasted multiple negotiations on RSMC’s, you should keep that in mind. Who are they really negotiating for..? It’s not always CPC the bad ones, CUPW screwed up demands again thinking they can change things as they go along, they’re not for the members, wake up.
CP’s idea of “we want to negotiate” means “we want you to accept all of our proposals without any changes and will negotiate until you do”. Sad.
They can”t negotiate with unrealistic people and demands. CUPW has their head way to far in the clouds. I do not know one person who would put one penny into a bank that had anything to do with CUPW. Maybe if it was CPC minus CUPW. CUPW always fights for the wrong things and people.
Im confused everyone. So when will cupw pay us for all the picketing? I will have bills coming up soon and i need money. I know its going to be very little but i need it
They have a schedule, from what I remember we will be paid the 22nd of this month/week if you put your 5 days in by the the 21st. So by Friday
Why should there be a ton of people there? It’s a national strike. Nothing is being moved. And no one is going in to work. Certainly the management couldn’t figure it out. Make sure the depot is clean when we get back to work.
Clean up your mess enough when you are there. Cya in a month or so.
Yet we have no idea if scab workers are being brought in back doors!
Dude there is literally no one at the picket lines like a handful of people
CUPWs bluff has been called and now they are exposed, begging members to give ha!
Line was full where I picket in the prairies
I’m not surprised the turnout was so high. This is normal to have a four hour workday
Sometimes it’s only 3.5 hours but the key words are WORK which is what we are doing. Unlike the 8 hour coffee break all the important office folks are doing.
Not Toronto south central. Most part timers are sick of working to benefit the full timers and have a second job
Wrong
Dude read the rules of picketing Its all in cupw favour…..Someone correct me if I’m mistaken but if you picket 4 days in a row and they settle on the 5th day you don’t get paid…..If you show up you better be able to prove you did as in some situations or you don’t get paid…..I don’t think there is any danger of parcels or mail being delivered ( and neither is the union ) otherwise they would have pickets at all locations. So why spend the gas money…
New rule in the constitution is $56.00 per day of picketing. Up to a maximum of 5 days in a 7 day week. $280.00 a week. No taxes. No union dues. If they settle after 3 days of picketing, it will be $56.00 times 3 days. and so on.
To show support
To fight the fight
Solidarity
Some hours there’s nobody, especially weekends. People are tired of the same BS they do to us the members.. this is a joke and people have been issued layoff notices and called by corporation as well, good job CUPW, now we’re losing jobs
You are NOT losing your jobs!! . If you are laid off you get EI and your job back after the strike. Stop scare tactics. Where are all full timers at Sclpp . Oh forgot they are all accommodated and can’t walk the picket line lol
Exon permanent jobs will be lost
As soon as strike over jobs back
There’s lots
Time to decertify. Who is with me?
Purge the slurpee drinkers.
I am with you!
Oh yes!
I’m in!!
All the slurpee drinkers need to be purged for sure.. Let’s do this..!!!
Picket lines are bare. No other big unions support CupWoke.
Line was full in Saskatoon
Most picket lines full, and no support from other unions, because they know CUPW is useless. A strong union gets strong support from other unions, and our union is a bunch of potato heads
Dozens on the line on midnight shift at PPC. And a contractor truck driver came by the other night. Said he won’t cross picket line. Purolator, whose represented by Teamsters, won’t deliver Canada Post mail in solidarity.
Day of reckoning has come. Time to purge CupWoke.
No other union spends years negotiating for a buck or two.
Totally agree
No Ulines today!
Something positive at least
You should realize that this isn’t a free Uline delivery company. How do you think the company gets paid exactly? It isn’t getting by on a sweater mailed from grandma, its by Uline sending out the thing you are complaining about. What do you plan to do all day if you don’t like delivering things? Its confusing that you simultaneously demand more compensation and complain about the task at hand.
Lighten up chief
Soups must be bored or something
Uline is a waste of good paper
Agreed… We aren’t charging enough for that contract I think
But grandmas sweater is light and if I fall, usually no big deal….If I fall with 5Ulines in my satchel Maybe different story……Whats the cost of Uline…..what the cost of grandmas sweater.
Cost of grandmas sweater is Love
U-lines take too much out my time value, while Granny’s sweater gets top priority. Christmas is coming and Ugly sweater only around once a year.
Hence why CPC is doomed.
exactly
Cupw fafo’d and now members getting fired. Cupw slurpee drinker says to get a loan lol
No members getting fired
Geez. So weak
Cupw has to so-so-so-GO! No more free slurpees.
Is there a Union supply shop or something for picketing merch? Where does one source out a 45 gallon drum for example? Are the burn barrels carbon neutral? Do you not have your own winter clothes, or are you just going to wear the jackets that the company bought for you, along with the rest of your free uniform? Is the excitement of the weekend wearing off yet?
Yes there is a cupw store however they give members nothing for free, you have to pay for their merch! Meanwhile CPC provides free clothing.
The union is supposed to provide everything and if you need another drum for burning would they should accommodate that as well. The union has rented vans and are supposed to bring pallets to burn, we ran out and members are cold, congratulations CUPW, people are cold and they’re getting fired because you played games with your pathetic excuse of negotiating. A contract should never take over a year to sign or involvement by mediators proving its time for you to go. Time to kaibosh these losers and bring in a union that cares about it’s members and prepares for them as well..
Cupw has 55000 members and received an “overwhelming” vote of support for this strike by 95% of the members. Quick calculation tells me there should now be 52250 people on the picket lines across the country. Where is everyone?
95%……of the people who voted…..How many of the 55 000 voted…And how secure is the Ballet and count!
They want their dues, and they will increase them for sure when the strike its over. If they are at 2% right now due the math for 55000. That is a lot of money they are taking from all of us and for what?? So they can have nice cushy salaries while we work
They are the most expensive lawyers on the planet…..The Sole and exclusive Bargaining Agent ……They are granted this power By the Canada Industrial relations board.
Because the vote was probably overwhelming on a small amount of people. If 1000 people voted 95% then is that overwhelming? There is a reason that the union hasn’t said the number. That tells you all you need to know about your organization. Nothing but misinformation and scare tactics to prop up their antiquated mandates. Who wants more Kool Aid?
Exactly. 95% out of 1000 people is 950 over 55000 which is 1.72%. Lets say it is out of 20000 that is still 34.5%, not even the majority. Give us the numbers to see!
Only 10 out the 50 routes in my depot voted. Hence, the numbers must be low. I estimate only 5,500 voted out of 55,000.
That is only 10% of the union membership.
26% only showed up to vote, hence the ‘98%’ in favour of a strike.
Everyone I know voted no, they’re manipulating the Numbers, remember they’re also the ones counting the votes when it should be a third party. CUPW does nothing but lie, people getting fired, if you can’t survive financially they tell you to get a loan, and no support on the lines only media opportunities. Why don’t we get live updates about where we are in negotiations..? Why are they not at the picket lines.? Most useless union ever, no union took a year to negotiate contracts but Everytime negotiations for us it’s over a year.. again..? They’re screwing us and milking it for what it’s worth, nothing but propaganda from these Bozo’s. It’s time to decertify these useless slurpee drinkers and get away from their woke objectives.
I voted no and the casuals I know and went to vote voted no as well. The unaudited 95% lopsided outcome is hard to be taken seriously.
I would of went to vote no but i dont have a car.
Cause only 20% of 55,000 voted. In that 20%, 95% voted yes. Cupw is misleading folks.
We want a negotiated contract, this is something Cupw has never done. What’s the point in striking for a buck extra.
Why didn’t you vote then?
Everyone had the option to vote, and there were many times and dates to do so. If you didn’t vote, that is on you, no one else
I don’t believe 95% voted in favor of a strike. And 95% of what exactly? I hardly think that even close to 95% even voted to begin with. Very small percentage I’m sure. Where is everyone? At home or their other jobs, cause $150/w to picket doesn’t even pay the gas, that’s if you get paid at all.
Most are not going to stand in Cold for 4 hours for &14/hour with no protection From elements. Let the full timers who get all the OT and best assignments do it. Most part timers that are used by union to benefit full timers have a second job
I would like to Thx CP for having this Forum….If anyone is stifling Information its CUPW and if anyone is trolling on this forum its CUPW. CP pays me so I don’t expect them to be loyal to me other then compensation . I pay CUPW so expect them to be loyal. In my Mind CUPW betrayal is Bigger. They pretend To be for me but all the evidence I see is they are against me.
Ok, what in particular makes you feel this way?
evidence, Not emotions…..
Exactly.
CUPW have been quite cold and insensitive in responses to paying union members. It’s as if they don’t care about many of our financial difficulties.
Plus, they try circumvent questions or concerns of members.
They are focused on helping individuals in the HPSM category who only represent a small percentage of Canada Post employees.
Once they collect enough money from union dues, they spend it on the most wasteful things.
I notice alot of people are saying they are fed up. Also alot of people like to use the word genius to belittle their peers.
The strike has been going on for 2 days. Toughen up and don’t give in to the corporate trolls on this forum creating conflict.
They leave the forum open so they can post a few negative things to stir the pot, same old playbook
CUPW is more than welcome to create their own forum to allow their general membership to discuss issues that pertain to their employment with Canada Post.
Many times it is hard finding a shop steward to answer questions about difficulties in the work place when many facilities do not have shop stewards stationed. It might be useful for members to get answers from other members familiar with the collective agreement.
However, the union will not do that since they seem overly suspicious of everyone’s motives in this forum as well as their Facebook Discussion Groups.
I recently got kicked out of a discussion group, because they suspected me of being a “Canada Post Informant” or spy.
They need to relax and stop being so paranoid. Not everyone is out to get CUPW.
Dollarama is hiring across the country if anyone is interested. $23-$27 an hour to start. The learning curve may be a little aggressive as it’s not as entry level as PO4 work but with some time and commitment it could be a great career change for a lot of you. All the best, good luck!
Let’s start with you and your nonsense, it would be a great change for us not to deal with you as well.
Why is it now with this miniscule strike pay that CUPW has the nerve to tell people if you can’t afford this to get a loan or another mortgage..? No one wouldn’t be in this mess if it wasn’t for them.. Talk about not owning up to the mess they’ve caused.. 13 months and nothing till a councilator stepped in and we had our first offer..Shame on you CUPW, you’re hurting the membership with your constant failed negotiations.. Give it a rest. There should be a new timeline for negotiations now.. You have 3 months to figure things out with CPC, if not mediators get involved for 3 months, and if that’s not resolved arbitration..This is too much drama for us to deal with anymore, union clearly doesn’t want to negotiate, only worry about trips to Cuba.
Im genuinely looking foranother job after all the time with CP. They told me to get loans as well and its Christmas time! The CPUW are callous and don’t actually care about us workers. This is just ridiculous…
This has always happened, Canada post does not make any offers until forced to do so. Their end game has always been binding arbitration
CUPW posting strike locations again, only at the large depots.
Are the smaller depots not going to be paid? Do we have to travel to the closest city?
Would that mean that smaller depots can get back to work?
For all those here wanting to have dues raised, you’re all welcome to give up your whole pay, because the rest of us won’t and will decertify CUPW to be gone.. Good luck 🤡🤡🤡 Imagine thinking anyone wants their dues raised, these national committee members will comment here but won’t show up on picket lines… Now we know what smells worse than garbage.. CUPW.. how about have the nads to create a forum so we can tell how we really feel..? Oh ya crickets because everyone hates you
How can we do this? I want to but what do you suggest to begin the process? Post your name and some details thanks.
As I get more details a website will be posted and everyone can post info so we can decertify the union to bring in some one else..All members info will be confidential and private from CUPW so everyone’s privacy will be kept strictly private.. I’m waiting on details and will post as I get them.
Ok I’ll munch on my popcorn and wait for it, thanks
I suspect the people who want dues raised on here are probably on leave.
Otherwise the ones that don’t pay dues. Raise them 100% cause it is 0% to them.
100% agreed Tina
Cp can’t survive without harvesting the intellectual property which is all the workers…..There is No incentive for upper management to take chances……But to play it safe…..decisions are centralized in Ottawa. How does someone in Ottawa know whats going on in Vancouver or St johns.
I’m not Blaming Management as this is a structural Problem.
Plus they are under Paid and under incentivized….
Tuna enough with the….use a comma…..please…..
FYI. There are Canada Post Informants joining the picket lines pretending to be temporary casuals. Just so be aware and cautious of talking to anyone you don’t know when picketing.
Have a great day everyone! Dress warm and enjoy yourselves. Things could always be worse. Stay positive and meet some new people! YOLO!
LOL…..Usually the conversation At CP is Bus stop talk…..Useless.
Here is a better Motive….Maybe they will collect CUPW strike pay….Now thats more possible…..
A question: is there a way for me to work for CP and withdraw from CUPW? I just want to be a CP worker
Closed shop……NO
No, if you want to work.
However, we can decertify them as soon as the strike stops and bring in another union
Yes, Decertify them all and bring in Teamsters, we’ve had enough of this circus called CUPW
I agree we need a new union and Teamsters would be perfect . Sick and tired of all my union dues going to a useless union
There has been talk of this for decades, not going to happen
Agree. People should be able to opt out of the union if they want to.
They can. Go get a job somewhere else!
Of course you are free to go. I heard it’s very easy to get on board as a Team Lead or Supervisor as long as you have a HS diploma and speak English, you will get hired.
You also need no Common sense or personality at all to be management 🤣
If you tell them to their face that you want to certify them, you will stop paying dues ..I already asked executive..😂😂 Just be cautious because they will throw you under the bus telling the corporation you have no protection from the union
Here how to decertify a union in B.C.
How to apply for decertification of a union – from BC Labour Relations Board new website
To apply for decertification:
1. Get at least 45% of the bargaining unit to sign Form 33A (found on the last page of Form 33)
2. Complete the rest of Form 33
3. Submit the completed Form 33 and signed Forms 33As to the Board by email (link sends e-mail) (best and easiest), mail, courier, or drop off in person. Email to: registrar@lrb.bc.ca(link sends e-mail)
4. The signed Form 33As must be submitted to the Board within six months of being signed
5. Call the Board 604-660-1300 to arrange to pay the application filing fee by credit card (Visa or Mastercard).
Only the Board will see who has signed the Form 33As. The Board will keep the names of the employees who have signed those forms confidential. The Board will also keep the name or names of the applicant confidential. On documents you will be called Certain Employees. This information is not shared with the union and employer. The applicant by name only becomes known if there is a Board hearing.
GENERAL LABOUR BOARD NOTES FROM PAST BCLRB POSTINGS:
Applications, submissions or other documents received by the Board after 4:00 p.m. will be treated as if received at 8:00 a.m. the next business day, unless special arrangements have been made in advance with the Registrar, Deputy Registrar or Case Administrator.
Where the Board is closed on a statutory holiday and on weekends. Any new applications filed on such days will be treated as received at 8:00am the next business day. If a Code time limit for filing an application, or a deadline for submissions, falls on a weekend or statutory holiday, the application or submission must be filed with the Board on the next business day.
The Labour Relations Board now accepts applications by email. Attach your application form and decertification cards signed by employees to an e-mail. If submissions are ever required after you apply they can also be done via e-mail. Place the appropriate word “Application” or “Submission” in the subject line of the e-mail, along with any relevant case numbers (if known for submissions) so it can easily be identified. Once the e-mail is received at the Labour Relations Board an auto-reply will automatically be sent back to the user acknowledging receipt of the correspondence. If you don’t receive the auto-reply acknowledgement within a few minutes you must follow up with a phone call to the Labour Relations Board Reception at 604 660-1300. Explain the situation and you will be connected with the Registry Mail Clerk for follow up. Emails will be accepted at registrar@lrb.bc.ca(link sends e-mail).
https://www.infotravail.ca/faqs/guide-desaccreditation/bc/generale
Form 33
https://www.lrb.bc.ca/media/19040/download?inline
Awesome, Thanks for the info
i wish i can
I won’t use big words because the people I’m talking about are very bright. All executives of cupw and cpc if you don’t like the way things are going you know where the exits are!
I Agree with this strike on the bases the dynamic routing system. Where the LCA route is going to change everyday based on volumes
When we have a problem with Admail at our facility they send over a bunch of people from Ottawa with magnifying Glasses and magic markers. I guess they don’t care about all the evidence at the SLB processing centres and the fact that the penetration rate is falling because the admail isn’t even delivered.
I was issued a layoff notice today. Is this going to be rescinded when they strike a deal? I did not sign up for this what is CUPW doing???
How did you receive the layoff notice?
They called me and by email
Another CUPW success story.. CUPW is a joke, no one should be getting layoff notices.. It should be CUPW removed, not members forced to strike because they’re useless at negotiating. 30+ years of failed negotiations going strong
Calm yourself. Think about it. How can you be laid off when on strike or locked out? Once this fiasco is finally over you’ll be back to work and if necessary can grieve your job back with pay. Cpc just playing dirty trying to scare everyone
I looked into it. Its the Corps right to lay off during a strike, there is nothing stopping them.
Yes but you can go on EI during strike and you get your job back when strike is over so actually better to be laid off
Be careful, lots of fake stuff being posted. They aren’t going to call you or email you to lay you off.
Me neither.
It should be rescinded.
However, you are better finding a better job out there with your qualifications. Canada Post is only going get worse once a Conservative government is elected.
Just don’t work in retail or Amazon. Those jobs suck.
Search for jobs here:
https://www.jobbank.gc.ca/home
When the strike is over, call up the department who gave you the payoff notice.
If it is not rescinded, please grieve it.
Plus, if you are skilled letter carrier, you can find a better job in delivery anywhere.
🤞
Maybe you can Apply for UI under your circumstances.
That’s a dirty tactic from the employer trying to scare members. We are on a legal strike so what Canada Post doing is illegal if they don’t recall you after a deal is done.
not true. we aren’t protected under a collective agreement anymore and CPC has the right to adjust staffing based on operational needs. CUPW is the one playing dirty for their own selfish gain……..
Most people think in one step….If CP didn’t layoff workers the whole company is under risk of bankruptcy.
The only valuable item that CUPW brings is seniority. With the fake No layoff clause….It puts this in jeopardy. ( think of the No Layoff clause in context with the extended hours and growth in the PT workforce)……Why would you need to layoff your work force when you can cut the hours. Its easier for CUPW to print a bunch of lapel buttons (no Layoff clause)……Then to Put the truth on that button.
You talk about thinking, think about this. CPC isn’t paying CUPW member employees, nor are they getting benefits. So we cost CPC nothing during the strike. Once strike is over, the contract will have wording to say the collective agreement covers all the way back to when the last contract ended. They will have to take laid off employees back. So, why lay them off??? It’s a scare tactic.
Exactly, CUPW dragged this negotiation to over a year, so useless and need to be removed. Let’s Decertify them and bring in Teamsters who actually know how to negotiate.. CUPW, most useless union worldwide
The talk of decertification always gets thrown around every strike, won’t happen no matter how many fake cupw members post it
As if the union didn’t know that this can happen. How many strikes were there before?
They knew, they’re just playing victim now..
We need to UP our dues bigtime to save CUPW. Please increase our dues!!!!!!
Increase your dues only, no one wants to give them a penny more for the pathetic negotiating they’ve done so far. They will be decertified and removed for Teamsters and they won’t be missed for the abuse of the members money.
no
Stop trolling.
We don’t want to pay more union due when CUPW is doing a horrible job in negotiations.
We should not be out of work.
We miss working and delivering to our customers.
how much does cupw pay in dues? There is 55K members, should be big $$$ on every paycheck.
where is all the solidootory from the comrades cousins and sisters?????
The other unions are staying clear from CUPW…sure not like years ago when other unions always came out to support
If the company was productive and profitable, then Yes I would have supported it but not when my future is at risk too.
Nobody is showing up to picket lol
PPC lines are staffed. Dozens showed up on the weekend midnight shifts!
Head through the grapevine, or should I say slurpeeline but big dues increase is coming. I support it!!!!
They should already be 50% higher so this is welcomed in my eyes.
You pay for all of us who have been misrepresented by the useless union, like CUPW you’ll also be gone. They will be decertified and removed. Give them your whole pay so we can laugh at how you get no sympathy from them, only election time when they’re just as useless again..
Think of all those that came before us dealing then,with what we are dealing with today, to get us some of the things we enjoy today. Sometimes sacrifices need to be made and have to fight the good fight. I don’t “love” the union but without them we would have absouletly nothing, of that you can be assured. CPC would be an even worse corrupt and greedy slave labour camp than they already are. The latest draconian changes they wish to make based solely on lies from hidden and doctored financials needs to be stopped and exposed for all to see. If the government was to get involved, and in this respect they should, they should have a public inquiry into the boards actions and force them to undergo a forensic audit. There is no better disinfecant than sunshine for these shady operators
CUPW gave away much of what the old CUPW won. They need to go away now.
Maybe you need to away
You know what the problem is in getting the government to fix the problems they created….Its a conflict of interest, As per your example they appointed the board of directors. Guess what Inflation or higher interest rates are the difference between what the Government spends and collects….Then they Call the grocery store CEO before Parliament what a circus……..Its A good trick they use. Fools many time after time after time..
Every year, CPC’s annual financial report is audited by the Auditor General of Canada and an independent accounting firm. For 2023, the audit was done by Ernst and Young. Are you and those that claim CPC’s huge financial losses are not real accusing CPC, the government auditor and one of the big four accounting firms are colliding to cook the books?
Great comment. CUPW leaders have their heads in the sand and refuse to accept the cold hard truth.
Part of the loses are Capital investment. When CP spends 1 billion on the Albert Jackson Plant its an expense which creates a loss. The Albert Jackson plant is an Investment
The return on the Albert Jackson plant is over the life of the plant.
This is why the CP loss numbers are inaccurate. Plus CP has been selling real estate…..They are losing Money but It would take me a long time to figure out the true figure and not worth it to me as they are not on the stock market and I couldn’t Capitalize. Maybe Cupw could do the math……As this would be important information for the membership. But its easier to get a root canal then get info from CUPW>
How can you actually think the Canada Post is making a profit and “doctoring” the financials? It doesn’t take genius to see the erosion in lettermail over the past decade and the rise of many cheaper and faster parcel delivery companies has taken a huge chunk of revenue. If you would just take the time to read the Annual Report and see the it has been thoroughly audited by an external accounting firm. To think that Canada Post is lying is so ridiculous. Changes are need to save the company.
This company lies all the time. Why would you ever trust them?
Canada Post and CUPW are both Bureaucracies, meaning there basically Clubs that operate by a set of pre-determined rules. No one will change the Old School Tactics as long as the status quo remains the same. Wouldn’t it be interesting to see how many Canada Post Employees might vote on just an Employment Contract. If we were to invest the money we pay in Union Dues over 20 years we would have a nice nest egg. At this point I would rather work for less money with a normal and decent set of conditions. That’s how Fed Up I am with all the B.S. and Politics!
CUPW only cares about collecting union dues, they are a business.
Increase unions so they can go on nice all expenses paid trips every month. At least, conference, committee or educational workshop occurs a month. You can get a good idea how much money is wasted on the ~1100 delegates attending to each event.
They could use teleconferencing, or videoconferencing to save the cost of traveling, hotels, and etc., but why do that.
They love spending union money on free vacation retreats.
Best of all they get paid a living wages for a regular position at Canada Post that has been filled by a relief.😮💨
Plus, they use union dues on mostly leftist causes of marginalized people who have nothing to do with the fight of postal workers who demand better wages, benefits, and work conditions.
Let’s not forget a union hall they have never used for general membership meetings.
When this strike over, CUPW needs to be decertified and replaced.
So where in all of your grandstanding does our immediate issue of negotiations and on strike come into play? Your little speech does nothing to forward or address our issues right NOW! Let’s deal with all this united as one and when it’s over all do what whatever you want about the union. You can even lead trying to rid them yourself just NOT NOW
I make more at skipthedishes then as a cupw member lol
Well done champ set your goals high!
Solidoot cupw forever. The union makes us strong rararara
Slurpee for all
Cupw getting members terminated on one hand then delivering welfare checks for cpc ha!
Never heard of of workers on strike but still working.
Cpc laid off members and cupw says yess we’ll deliver those checks good sir
Yassssss. Up my dues please.
A plea from the former toronto local union president.
“Sisters and Brothers,
Today is Sunday, day 3 of the strike.
Where are you all ?
No early start or RDO?
Where are you all?
Calling all the members, including members who got 8 hours RDO, bypassed paid for shift 3 to join the picketline.
Where are you all who constantly used to complain and ask questions.
We are picketing in cold.
Where are you all ???
Some of our full-time members are getting layoff notices ?
Where are you all ?
Where are you all ?
Please join the picketline !!!
Please join the picketline !!!
In Solidarity
Qaiser:
No.
How does anyone get laid off when there is current job action and no one is at work. Stop fear mongering. Once the stoppage is over there is a collective agreement back in place so no lay offs can happen. Anyone laid off prior to would be able to grieve and get there job back anyways.
FYI Canada Post issuing Layoff notices.. Congratulations to CUPW for costing jobs to those because in over a year you’re useless in negotiations..again.. How in the world can they be allowed to do this to the members all the time.. Why is it when the government intervenes with mediators we start to finally get offers from Canada Post..? Because they do this on purpose to create hardships on its members, shame on you CUPW.. Costing jobs and proving you’re nothing but a failure to all its members.. Clown show
Excellent. Solidootory
If we didn’t have a union the layoffs would be non-stop, new hires would be at min wage, and no one would ever get full time. Wake up pal.
The useless would be laid off rightfully so. New hires are min wage cupw allowed that. Start wage is $22 bucks which is min wage after the mafia errr cupw takes their cut.
You better come to realize they don’t care about it’s members.. We need a real Union that actually interacts, goes to see it’s members, Allow members to vote on offers, not argue or threaten members.. We’re so divided because of CUPW. Not once has teamsters taken a year to negotiate, not once has Teamsters divided it’s membership, not once has Teamsters forgotten their members and actually appreciate them, unlike CUPW who only shows up for elections to be re-elected to do nothing.. I’d like CUPW to show a breakdown of their salaries and how many people we have getting paid with our dues. We are entitled to that information.. All they do is hide and make side deals with CPC.. wake up they’re playing you and have you drinking the CUPW cool-aid
How are the teamsters or anyone else helping us out at this exact moment in time? Agree to disagree but right now at this moment cupw is all we have. This contract needs to be negotiated here and now in the present, not in the hypothetical world of if or when any other union was to represent us down the road
Don’t blame the victim, please
Such lies. How are you issuing lay offs when we’re on strike. 55,000 plus people would;ld all get this notice then since zero people are working. Stop fear mongering. Once job action is over and an agreement is back in place any thing of this calibre would be grieved and over turned. Stop spreading fear.
Do you know that you are no longer unionized at this moment and that your collective agreement is useless right now and you fall under the Canadian Labour Code (if you looked at your union website they actually posted all this info for you) so yes CP can lay off and I can confirm they have laid off over a dozen thus far.
Anybody see the PR guy on CBC? He was asked twice if the losses were from operational losses or capital expenditures.. he completely danced around these questions. Quite obvious they’re not being truthful about the losses. Why would they pay themselves bonuses? .
Even this position makes more than a postal worker.
Arborist 1
Employment Status
Regular Full-Time
Pay Range
$40.37 per hour + comprehensive benefits package
Arborists require education, postal works do not.
Extremely dangerous job using wood chippers, chainsaws, pruning tools and heights in all weather. Nothing like your job, handing out a couple flyers to each house and maybe a letter or two. However, feel free to take these other lucrative jobs. You aren’t here against your will
Look tow driver make more than us.
auxiliary Tow Truck Operator
Employment Status
Auxiliary
Pay Range
$35.91 per hour (2024 rate) Plus 12% in lieu of all benefits
If any of get laid off, we can probably get a job that pays way more.
Check this out:
Group Fitness & Indoor Cycling Instructor
Employment Status
Auxiliary
Pay Range
$46.07 to $48.62 per hour + 12% in lieu of all benefits and vacation
Closing Date
12/6/24
Group Fitness & Indoor Cycling Instructor
I might as well apply since Canada Post pay sucks.
The simple fact that neither the corporation nor the union were at the table this weekend “negotiating” tells me neither side really cares about us. The negotiators are doing a great job showing us workers what it will look like when we all become “part time” employees.
If CUPW’s idea of postal banking is going to work, they need to do a better at managing it.
Remember the Canada Post MyMoney loan program. That was a big failure and closed indefinitely after security monitoring detected an apparent attack. Big mistake was that Canada Post didn’t invest in proper cybersecurity. Plus, there are too many bad actors trying to scam the general public. Canada Post should have set up proper in person verifications for users to access their accounts. Those RPOS systems at the retail post offices are now obsolete and so many glitches.
How the heck is Canada Post going to look after people’s money if they can’t trust us with processing loans as well their mail in CMB that constantly gets broken into? People can easily break into CMB to steal banking and credit card information.
If postal banking and e-commerce is going to work, there needs to be better coordination and accountability into setting it so that scammers to screw it up for everyone.
Here’s some information on postal banking:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_savings_system
Postal banking isn’t going to work, that’s why they don’t do it. The union is the one with the big plans. They might as well tell them they should do yard maintenance or handyman jobs since you are there anyway
CUPW is requesting senior checks and picking up trash on the highways
Im genuinely considering other employment not because of Canada Post but because of CUPW. I cant stand this union that only cares about its dues while we will not get any pay at all. I cant survive on 280 a week but no one at cupw cares they are telling me to get loans
If they’re telling you to get loans people should all be smart enough they never cared.. They should return our dues for the last 4 years of misrepresentation they’ve done. Those repeat offenders who are always in trouble should be paying dues only because the useless union protects them..not the workers who never get in trouble..
This is terrible. No one can survive on $280 strike pay per week. I hope this gets resolved quickly so everyone can get back to work and get paid. The holiday season is upon us. It makes no sense to shut down Canada Post, they pay our wages! CUPW does not pay our wages! Not to mention Canadians rely upon us to deliver. No one is winning here.
This will create a bit of a hardship for some, for others like myself I’m very happy for a vacation albeit unpaid. Overall I am glad that we are all experiencing this labour disruption, because change is greatly needed, and every single person in this entire company knows that this work stoppage was a must in order to accomplish the end goal we all need to happen.
If you can take some time to take a breather. Take a cooking class, spend some time with family or maybe even head back to the gym that you’ve been procrastinating about!
Change is good for everyone and I know there are many creatures of habit at the post office. Many of you have no idea what hard work is especially if you’re working inside any one of the major sporting facilities, take this time to reflect on some of your life choices if you’re truly unhappy, there’s gonna be a great defining moment in your life changes possible at any age maybe it’s time to move on.
You don’t speak for those that struggle financially, you’re not a life coach.. must be a supervisor who gets a bonus and doesn’t care because the longer the strike the more you get paid to do nothing to sit inside and play games on your phone. You don’t know anyone’s situation so take a cooking class yourself chef boy R dee
You sure told him anonymous one! Your says of delivering Canadian tire flyers or taking endless bathroom breaks are all but DONE! When you return it will be to work for the first time ever. Time to pay the piper CUPW tough guy!
Actually I am a life coach, delivering mail is my side gig.
Can anyone tell me if we’ll received strike pay if we’re at a location that’s not on the CUPW site of picket locations?
Ive been hearing its only at the locations on the map but i may be wrong and its only after 8 days
Where is your shop steward? Is there not a strike captain at your location?
If you have a strike captain at your work location, they are suppose to have a sign in book for you to sign in to record the start and end time for your picketing.
Make sure you get pictures of yourself and others picketing as proof so there is no dispute that you participated in strike picketing.
Contact your union local to give a more definitive answer.
Then why did CUPW post picket locations if every depot will receive strike pay? Something seems fishy.
Because they don’t want to pay you strike pay, they just want to collect the union dues.
Can anyone tell me if we’ll receive strike pay if we’re at a location that’s not listed on the CUPW site picket locations?
When this is strike is over, I might as well apply to be a supervisor.
Hence, less stress on my body from working SSD.
Cupw you are useless and your time is up. We don’t want nor need you any longer.
Agreed CUPW has to go
Canada Post upper management is sweating. They know their days are numbered. If this drags out a few weeks they should all be fired.
Canada Post upper management couldn’t care less. If anything, they are hoping that their days are numbered so they can get massive severance packages and move onto their next endeavor. They are not worried in the least they never have, and never will take any responsibility for the debacle they have created, and will never be held accountable.
If something is broken and does not work or does not work well you don’t continue using it, you replace it.
CUPW is broken and does not work well, if at all. CUPW needs to be replaced.
Thanks for the full strike but it is too little and far too late.
We will be replacing you.
Yes, out with CUPW and in with Teamsters.. Enough is enough of those criminals destroying the membership, they’ve had over 30 years and they’ve failed… miserably..
Cupw is trash.
Yes they are, Total trash
The bad news for CUPW is that out of my work centre half of the employees are also Uber drivers in their new Teslas so at least we know 50% of the workforce is still gainfully employed and likely care about the strike as much as they do their performance while at work.
Exactly, some of us are dependent on Post office for income, but the union could care less.. So pathetic, 30+ years of failed negotiations and bad treatment of its members..
This could go on for some time I think so prepare for a long go if it.
Government will legislate us back if there’s no progress with negotiations, with Black Friday and Cyber Monday around the corner just like 2018 we’ll be going back.. This is going to get worse for us if it goes to arbitration ans the union has a poor track record. They will raise our dues again and will blame post office for the agreements they made in the past.. It’s a no win for us, we the members should be more involved in negotiations, but the union wants to control everything while we pay their wages. We as members should be allowed every offer to vote, not this nonsense.. CUPW’s behavior towards its members is disgusting. Corporate greed is also unjust but that is out of control, we need to be treated with respect and watching the union look like bums and uneducated responses to the media makes us look worse.
NDP has said they will call non confidence vote on Liberals if they try to legislate us back. You know conservatives will support that in a heart beat. So either we get this done here and now, via negotiations or Canada post is in big trouble in a big way. Election likely wouldnt be until after black friday, christmas well over. You painted yourselves into a corner wasting time over this last year so time to man up now Canada post or the entire ship goes down
Just legislate us back to work already.
NDP just needs to back off so we can stop the amount of damage to the postal system Canada Post and CUPW negotiators have caused.
Jagmeet Singh made the same claim with the port workers
Let it sink and rebuild better if that is the case.
He can’t call a non confidence vote because the government is filibustered. He knows this that’s why he’s saying this.. he doesn’t want an election because he would lose his riding and his pension. But the liberals can still force us back with no vote.
If CP ship goes down so will ours, we wont have jobs in the future. So I’m not sure why you would say that. Maybe your looking for a new job already? I just want to get back to work. Christmas is coming and CUPW is being a Scrooge. We need to be reasonable. I would have been happy with the last offer. Why cant we vote each time there is an offer?
The company spent $5 billion in wages last year. Doesn’t really sound greedy. Almost all of that is CUPW wages, not management bonuses and salaries. That’s right, salaries, they don’t get to sponge up the overtime like you do. I bet there are a lot of you that would not want to show your T4’s from the last 5 years. Talk about greed…
Hahahaha get a grip
Stop the gaslighting while you’re ahead.
Where do you get those numbers?
Stop lying about bonuses.
Show us your books.
We can easily get an accountant to forensically go through Canada Post finances to find out what they might be hiding.
Nice try but your post is irrelevant. Your cpc overlords are the kings of wasted and unaccounted for money. They are the ones who “supposedly” lost 3 billion. Where? Why no answers and why not release financials?
Why the heck did we give her a second term? I didn’t vote for any of these bums.
Majority of union member do get vote for CUPW NEB.
Only regional and local CUPW executives are given the chance to vote at national conventions/ conferences.
How is that even democratic?
Don’t you mean “Majority of union member do *NOT*get vote for CUPW NEB?”
I don’t remember voting for any of those hacks.
Given the opportunity, I would vote them out.
It isn’t, they are communists.
Maybe they should consider being UBER drivers full time, instead of coming back to work at Canada Post.
If they cared about workers solidarity, they would be out picketing like the rest of us.
Exactly nobody from the national on the picket lines, they only wait for media fame and disappear.. So childish and stupid. Stealing from the members and causing job losses as we speak. Canada Post sending layoff notices, people losing jobs all because the union dragged this for 13 months, you think they care about those getting laid off.. No they don’t because it shouldn’t happen but it is, you better wake up to the reality of CUPW, all the executives should resign and be replaced..
As current APOC please keep fighting and stay strong. This is worth the fight and you all know it. I wish we were allowed to strike not many people have much respect for the supervisors and I can assure you, we are not getting rich like a lot of you think.
Is it worth the fight over lost wages for this Christmas season?
Yes
Absolutely worth it.
Lost christmas season too
Sounds like you should have stayed with CUPW
Yes and No in all honesty. I definitely enjoyed my job much more as a carrier but the physical demands after 16 years changed things. Being a supervisor is much easier and much harder in very different ways but I do not enjoy my job any longer. Actually kind of dread it. I should have chosen a different path 18 years ago! 10 more years to go here let’s see if we can all make it together! Goodluck to you all 👍🏼
No the supervisor is the gofer you need good workers to make your day better. Unfortunately supervisors that a coming in aren’t worth anything. 37yr service 58 yrs old had 14yrs in when they changed my pension PSSA was much better
So if we had postal banking would that mean our customers have no access to their money because we are on strike? What about senior check in services? Hope for the best that they survive while we are picketing? Why don’t we try and become good and profitable at delivering mail and parcels then worry about new revenue sources. Based on how the year long negotiations are going and how the union and management seem to not care about our current customers or employees I don’t think we should be trusted with peoples finances or lives for that matter. Negotiate a deal. Get rid of the dead weight dragging us down and let the folks that care look after our customers and business. We might actually be able to grow our business and become profitable again. Then together, we can look at adding new revenue sources. Both sides seem to have lost focus of what is important here and people are quickly caring less and less.
Postal Banking will never happen and is not beneficial, the union keeps going back to it and they have to stop with this nonsense.. The union grasping on straws instead of working for its members.. The have to focus on us, projects should not be part of negotiations
Good point about Postal Banking. Thinking that we can offer low cost banking and make tons of money is pretty silly. Low cost means low profit and the start-up costs are huge plus all the additional government oversight that would be needed? Crazy. There are lots of low cost banking options in Canada. Being profitable on parcels 100% has to happen.
I love that we are striking. I wish our Union dues were higher. Life is short fight fight fight!
No thanks.
It just goes to show you how selfish and greedy some CUPW members can be.
We are essential workers.
It sucks to be striking since we are a Canadian run corporation that needs to serve the general public.
I wish I was back to work.
I wish I was back as well. I feel like we are letting people down, people that rely on us.
Then give your whole paycheck to CUPW, no one cares what you think. Our dues are too high for the service we get from the union. Not actively communicating, not showing up on picket lines, not listening to our issues, only about dues, how about you give your paychecks to CUPW while we get through this hardship they created.. You don’t speak for us, wouldn’t be a surprise if you’re from the crooks on the national committee.. CUPW days are numbered, we will decertify them and bring Teamsters.. Clock is ticking
Don’t say that give our paycheck to CUPW that’ll be the next thing…please contribute your cheque so we can keep defending the useless…which at my plant is 50% easy😡😡😡
I Agree 100%
LOL
I’m not picketing because I don’t want to. This is upsetting to me and my family because I cant imagine how much in lost wages I will occur. All of us! I cant apply for EI and the local president says we can apply for loans if we are picketing if the 56 a day is not enough.
I don’t think this negotiation will go our way at all.
FYI, your Union is right go get a loan and keep fighting. Call your bank and let them know to give you a break on your mortgage. It’s the Canadian way.
Yeah its the Canadian way to default on your mortgage so Union Executives can get more pay right
Ladies and gents, striking and picketing unfortunately is much worst for our future then the CUPw and CP continue to talk … as anyone picketing get supposedly paid 50$, we are loosing millions everyday as a company, millions that would be useful to negociate a better contract for us.
We are constantly comparing ourselves with other companies that recently went on strike, but there is a difference, the other companies make a lot in profits, we are a company that is loosing money, so striking will do no good for our future. I see CP future workforce being made of international students and foreign workers .
And we only get our 280 dollar check after 8 days for 5 days of picketing.
So, if you own a million dollar house and it is paid off but you owe $3000 on a credit card and have a car payment, you are in debt?
Last contract they were in trouble because of the “pension deficit”. The arbitrator will not tolerate this nonsense and we will get a strong contract. Look up what the arbitrator got the teachers last contract. Ford tried to keep them at 1%/ year. They stuck to their guns and after years were finally paid fair wage increases that all workers deserve dispite what the bloated CEOs want you to get.
I hope so.
Yes !! Any other organization would have got rid of the senior management and the CEO if the losses were real. He is saying we have change reorganization of the management would show the workers they are serious. One of the senior management team is going to run Ottawa airport she should help the others leave.
We will honestly get nothing. Except lost wages, probably layoffs in the new year, moved to part time. Ive literally heard that some colleagues are getting laid off right now or being moved off of assignments.
There is a huge difference between creating lots of part time work and having people willing or wanting to do it.
You know what happens then right? The same thing that happens now. Full timers get excessive overtime 24/7 or they simply don’t cover the position.
Let them have their part time dream army and let it fail. This management team unless fully replaced is utterly incompetent and incapable of making and implementing the correct changes needed for all of us to succeed.
You mean full timers get all overtime and part timers do not even get 40 hours at straight time supported by union who said it’s part timers job to support full
Timers. Sickening cupw
That is false info, you would have the media report that if it were true. There will probably be binding arbitration but we will be ok, don’t panic
Looks Like A Strike of at least 2 weeks….Maybe Longer. Canada Post will run out of Cash very soon….They Could be at the Bank right Now……Bondholders % ownership of CP will increase. CP can borrow another 1.5 billion anymore money they need will go to a vote in parliament……that is not that far off…Hard to know how much money they are actually losing. Because of investments and now the (strike) one time items. There is lot of Fat with CP but they want it because if this company is sold The Fat turns into big time Profit….The Fat is Hidden in the Numbers and it is Huge
Imagine the savings if this drags on. This might balance the books
LOL Awesome!
Check the CUPW site for picket locations, if you want to be paid for standing outside for 4 hours.
Maybe this is the unions way of saving money, if you’re not at one of their picket locations you won’t be paid. Sounds underhanded,,🤑
Let’s see. Cupw and cpc executives still get paid with all benefits. Lawyers called mediators still get paid with all benefits. The workers better known as chumps don’t get paid and no benefits. Keep up the good work cupw and cpc.
Well yes! And big bucks too while some people can’t even afford a coffee…SHAME ON BOTH SIDES😡
Or SLURPEES!
Did somebody say slurpeeeee, solidoot comrade
Canada Post’s petty, vindictive, and maniacal behaviour is now on full display! Rather than admit they don’t have a clue how to manage a business profitably, they lash out at the workers, lay them off, and end 39.07s. CUPW may have its bad qualities, but if we were not unionized there would be no benefits, no pension, and all casuals/PT filling the ranks at rates just above min wage. In summary — WE STAND TOGETHER AND FIGHT THIS CORRUPT LEADERSHIP!
Lots of people work at CPC without a union. FedEx works without a union. Somehow they all have good jobs. They even have benefits. Imagine the sky not falling for once
It is 2024, people just feel entitled.
I don’t think this is going to end well for us workers. They have changed our terms of employment, the cupw are paying us 50 bucks to picket. I can”t afford two weeks without pay if this thing drags out, can you?
i think once we get back to work there will be a lot of layoffs in the following two years as they will force us either back to work, or they will force arbitration and we will have no protecrions left. This will be a lean Christmas for my family.
This was a massive mistake, i don’t think most people support us they prob hate us right now.
Think of all those that came before us dealing then,with what we are dealing with today, to get us some of the things we enjoy today. Sometimes sacrifices need to be made and have to fight the good fight. I don’t “love” the union but without them we would have absouletly nothing, of that you can be assured. CPC would be an even worse corrupt and greedy slave labour camp than they already are. The latest draconian changes they wish to make based solely on lies from hidden and doctored financials needs to be stopped and exposed for all to see. If the government was to get involved, and in this respect they should, they should have a public inquiry into the boards actions and force them to undergo a forensic audit. There is no better disinfecant than sunshine for these shady operators
Wow. You summed it up perfectly. If only everyone could hear your voice loud and clear. This forum is a septic tank of nonsense for the most part. It is refreshing to see that someone else has clear sight.
I too find it refreshing that there are some out here who get it also. I truly believe in the real world there are many more who think like this. Very easy to forget that in this heavily trolled as you so correctly put it “septic tank” of a forum. I will try to re post higher up in the comment section
It’s only been a short time we have been out and everyone is panicking. Been though a few of these in 34 years and ultimately everyone ends up ok at the end of it
No it doesn’t, we get worse contracts than what’s offered.. You must be dreaming or you’re from national committee or CUPW executive
So true
Everyone commenting on here. Here is a fact when the contract is done and decided all management and supervisors will get the same raise we get don’t even have to negotiate it. Plus they get an additional up to 4 % “at risk” bonus ( see page 159 of the apoc contract” So cupw is fighting for all the employees of Canada post. Have your supervisor thank you when we get for fighting for them to get paid more.
You’re misinformed. It’s a contractual “bonus” paid only if the Board of Directors approves it if it is recommended by the top brass in Ottawa. It usually amounts to about 3/4 of a paycheque. In case you missed it, Suoervisors stupidly signed an agreement a year early in 2020, don’t get COLA and are no long at parity relative to what they were. Supervisors are the most disengaged employees in the company. They work their 8 hours a day and don’t get OT when they didn’t get their breaks. They also start out at the low end of the scale and their earnings are so uncompetitive CPC can’t even hire off the street anymore and recruit from CUPW. Most Supervisors think we’re getting screwed and would rather handle certain things a different way but Superintendents and Managers are treating them like puppets to justify their jobs. Fact is- Supervisors are like us. Don’t kid yourself-Suoervisors are about to be Turkeys getting their throats slit through no fault of their own when CPC starts cutting from the top down in in 2025. Supervisors contract is up and they are filing for bargaining in the next 4 weeks. They’re in the same boat as us. The only thing that keeps Supervisors working at CPC is the pension and a few weeks of vacation after 14 years.
The real problem is that CPC is not competitive in the parcel business because they’re incompetent and they let low cost operators steal our lunch.
The real problem is Zone Managers and Directors and up to top management their jobs and saying they have made no mistakes. Look to the HR and LR paper pushers who do nothing to drive the business except warm chairs behind a desk.
Our fight is with top level management not our Supervisors.
Great Comment Postie dude!
Not how it works. They only hand out 1-2% and have for 10 years. Oh wait, that’s what you will end up getting in the end as well, my mistake. You are correct
INDIVIDUAL AT-RISK PAY
The parties agree that Association members in OP positions will continue to be entitled to the Individual At-Risk Pay Plan.
Employees receiving the following rating on their performance appraisals (in accordance with the performance
rating scale currently in effect within the
Corporation) can obtain payments of Individual At-Risk Pay, for each fiscal year, based on the following percentages of regular (substantive) salary:
Far Exceeded Expectations:
Exceeded Expectations:
Met All Expectations:
Met Most Expectations:
Did Not Meet Expectations:
4.00%
3.00%
2.25%
1.25%
0%
In order to be eligible for any payment under the Individual At-Risk Pay Plan, individuals must be Regular employees in an OP position and have more than three
(3) months continuous service in the Association bargaining unit during the fiscal year and must be on strength at the end of the fiscal year. Payments are based on one twelfth (1/12th) of the At-Risk Pay for each month as a Regular full-time employee in the Association bargaining unit. Regular part-time employees’ payments are based on their actual straight time hours worked.
Read the contract they have. All my supervisors said they get it evry year no questions asked.
Only a unicorn gets 3% and never 4. You are whining about someone getting $1000 a year at best and likely not even that.
I’m positive this company could afford to give strong wage increases and better benefits if they would focus on getting rid of the bad apples that exist at ALL levels of this company nationwide. 20% of this employees could be shown the door and they wouldn’t skip a beat. The things I’ve seen and pointed out over the yrs in multiple depots would make anyone’s head spin. It’s infuriating watching this place spiral and no one seems to have any pride to change it. Wasted $ on projects trying to reinvent the wheel, overkill on health and safety, employees that are off “injured” more than they ever work, refusing delivery cause it’s raining, the list goes on and on. Again, at ALL levels. I can’t stand the unions tactics, nor mgmt’s incompetance. I, as well as most, are just stuck between 2 groups (cupw and mgmt) that can’t figure out that a strike/lockout helps nobody.
That’s why I stopped being a shop steward.
It’s not easy representing people who abuse the system.
It’s nice going to all those shop courses, but not very fun representing people are in it for themselves.
I only give advice and help workers who deserve my respect.
“It’s nice going to all those shop courses” You’re one of the “bad” ones.
Exactly.
How hypocritical?
I only just started at Canada Post so I am not sure how their union works yet BUT I have worked in other companies that are unionized and I feel like they all seem pretty much the same. I dislike unions more than I like them. It’s not because of the unions themselves but the people who take advantage of what being in a union means. I worked as a Manager at this one place and was there for 2 years before having to relocate to where I am not (no room in the store here to relocate my employment too) and during my entire stint in that store, there was a list of workers who were on some kind of leave the entire time and getting paid for it. They were also completely protected by the union to return to their regular job descriptions as well as any raises, bonuses and other applied because of the union. I’ve found that, over the years, people just become compliant with these situations. Management does nothing to stop it from happening and unions constantly have the backs of those employees who take advantage.
20%? try 40%! love your take its bang on
I agree with you…40% if not higher!
why the hell is CUPW so stuck on issues that do not impact CURRENT employees who are CURRENTLY on a strike?? why are they so concerned about future hires?? this makes no sense, is a waste of our time and money and is putting CURRENT employees who are ACTIVELY paying union dues in a terrible situation. please make it make sense.
Never go backwards! Our union fought hard for the pension and benefits we have. We didn’t give them up in previous years, for employees like you. We won’t give them up for future employees either.
Yes they did actually. You are probably a uninformed new employee me thinks.
What did we win last time? We only lost. We lost a signing bonus , we got less percentage over 2 years then what CP was offering , we lost a big chunk of our flyer allowance and they promised us more admail even though we were getting paid less, which was a lie, since we get less flyers then we did in the past, so our paycheques were affected greatly
it will be worse this time for sure…
The union has given away lots in the past few contracts…Sick pay, flyer size and pay, severance, two tier etc
Given away more than they gained.
You all preach the truth, the union committee is trolling her saying nonsense. Union just keep losing and that’s the truth, like we all are now picketing
CUPW are trying to secure more union due payment from the future employees since the union dues collections have been down.
Unfortunately, since there has been little of no work at the plants, the union has not been able to collect more union dues from causal employees.
Many of the work at the plant and depots has been filled by accommodated employees who were forced to go back to work due to the suspension of their STDP.
I don’t feel sorry for the union and them getting less dues. Seriously, We have 55000 members. Do the math, calculate how much CUPW collects in dues. I don’t think they’re hurting. I don’t want to hear the pitty for the union. I spoke to a relative that is in a construction/labor union, they pay $50/m for dues. So this b.s. that we pay the least and should be paying more, is so laughable. Can we get a deal together already??? This is hurting everyone and the longer we are out, the more it’s going to hurt, EVERYONE!! Where they even at the table this weekend? or did they take the weekend off? Like someone else commented, at this point (a year into negotiations) i think they should sit at that table and not move until a deal is made. Enough already!!
CUPW makes its money from workers dues, so the more employees for them the better, because that would equal more dues more money, that is the only reason why I think CUPW would be so worried about future new hires. Obviously the workforce will need to renew over time, but with so many issues right now that urgently need to be fixed, you cannot be at this moment in time be worrying too much about new employees, it’s all about common sense.
bingo
This is why you have a job. You once were a new hire. And you have what you have now because of the same fight. And if this job wasn’t any good you wouldn’t be here.
True , but in the end as a new hire you get to choose if CP will fit your needs or not, and if not you look for something else. I’m these negotiations forget about new hires, right now we need to take care of those already working for CP.
Because when we are all retired these new hires will be the ones funding our pension plan etc. Dont so easily dismiss the wedge cpc is trying to put between us and new hires
A two tier wage exists already. I notice getting rid of this system is not on CUPWs list of demands. Care to explain why not?
PSAC and APOC have two pensions. Old employees DB and new ones DC, no issues there with funding so….?
If you care to read the pension benefits document, you will know CPC is obligated to contribute additional fund to offset any short fall in pension payout each year. Hence, it’s not a necessity to have new hires to fund current members’ future pension payments.
Sorry.
I won’t be retiring anytime soon.
Why consider new hires in this negotiation when many of will be still around for future collective agreements? We need to deal the situation right now not in the future.
As the old saying goes, “ DON’T COUNT YOUR CHICKENS BEFORE THEY HATCH definition: you should not make plans that depend on something good happening before you know …” ( Cambridge Dictionary)
The wages CP offer is good enough
the only thing my concern is the pension cost to people who will retire will be 50/50.
Otherwise no complaint at all.
The current wage is good……. if we were in the year 2010!!!
Not if you are a letter carrier under SSD.
Work is more harder plus the start times are too late in the day.
I would prefer to start work at 7:30 am and go home before 3 pm.
This is a real LC. Not a management spy. Here here and kudos to your legit
post!
You are 100% a P04 and I agree with you. Your wage is definitely good enough for what you do.
LC need to go back to have their own union again, they had one before. RSMC has not business being part of CUPW too.
70ish centers per year is good enough?
It’s the benefit cost I believe
Strike will not work, we will all be sent back to work, which I hope so , and if it goes to arbitration, no doubt we will get a much worst deal then what was offered to us, just like last time.
Not just last time it’s been the same story for a few times now…
So let’s all just give up and cave in. I don’t think so. You want to live your life like a spineles little worm go ahead. Go work somewhere else and let the real men handle this situation
yeah but you can make 50 bucks a day if you picket……lol
How are we going to get sent back to work? Seems very unlikely with the minority government situation.
I read on the union site that all picket locations are only in the cities, one location per city. Any thoughts on why that is?
I guess the union won’t pay you unless you show up at one of those locations.
Having worked in 3 locations over my 26 years for roughly the same time in each location anyone that has done the same understands how much different locations and jobs can affect your perspective of a fair living wage.
Also depending on who your supervisors and management team are it can even seem like you are working for a different company altogether.
I’ve done nearly every job and have worked at a small depot as well as a large sorting facility.
At $30 an hour in a large sorting facility I think the wage is fair. The problem is that we are very overstaffed and as a result underworked.
I can say this because I was also a human camel prior to going inside and I can assure you $30 is not nearly enough to provide the service I was providing. We were rarely if ever overstaffed and almost always overworked.
If the new SSD model makes a delivery agent the cornerstone of the entire operation by performing multiple tasks with heavier workloads and longer days how can this be overlooked and compensated fairly.
I would have loved to finish my career outdoors but after a shoulder surgery and knee problems I had to admit the inevitable and make the change which was and is still very hard to accept.
Being an indoor housecat after all those years as a human camel I could never expect a 25 year po4 to truly understand what hard work is when I compare it to what my days used to look like vs now.
The other point Id like to make is that it’s very hard to be a lazy carrier without repercussion in one form or another while at the same time it is very easy to blend in and play games while in a large facility.
Carriers ~ 10/6/4/4
Inside Workers ~ 3/3/2/2
Yes I know there are many other issues bay hand I’m simply expressing my thoughts on wage.
I like the numbers. Seems reasonable
Laaaaawl
True.
Except in our in our depot, we have some letter carriers who refuse to do their fair share of U-lines.
The U-lines are have to be delivered via overtime.
Plus, some letter carriers card every thing they don’t feel like delivering since they claim they are too heavy.
We have one LCA who is accommodated to do nothing except serve coffee to staff. This person just refuses to do work. Plus, they refuse to take part in picketing with the rest of us.
Yep, the same theme around the Country I would imagine. We need to change but only Authority is going to make us all do it. Some people have a good Work Ethic and some don’t. I say we get rated on Carded packages. Maybe even have to explain it eh?
Just Google Canada Post complaints and you’ll see the magnitude of that situation.
Your numbers are insane. 26 years of running now it’s taken a toll.
That Canada Post is running this comment room is proof that they are incompetent and wasting money. That someone is actually getting paid to censor people in this pathetic comment space is, likewise, proof that the company has no idea how to make/save money. For the love of god – get rid of management that is not required, make all bonuses/incentive programs contingent upon profitability and pay your workforce!!!
You say it well!
Where’s the CUPW discussion site. Oh, not allowed by our masters who are once again going to get us a lower increase than the last offer.
Unions, in my long experience, are self-serving entities. They’re like if you made a single HR lady into an entire organization. They’re not your friend. Your union brothers are only your brothers until it affects them. They will trade your cases in arbitration, and they will make shady deals with management on the side. I’ve had everything from teamsters to cupe, and they all have about the same honesty and efficacy.
Absolutely 100% correct!!!!
Of course they are.
This is their negotiation hub comment section.
The same could not be said about the CUPW website. They don’t want to see any negative comments. Hence, no comment section that can be viewed by everyone.
It’s a shame, too. It would probably save so much time allowing commentary by all union members and allow others who don’t get chance to attend General Membership Meetings have a voice.
Well don’t be on here then…we want to vent and CUPW won’t allow us to have a say…if they did they’d have a site up also…oh wait,they don’t allow CRITICISM 🤔
Point me towards the CUPW chat room please, oh wait… there is not one. Why is there not one?
There are CUPW Facebook groups.
However, if you say something true about the union they don’t like they will kick you out of the group.
So there would be no point to join their discussion boards that includes varying opinions.
They are generally extreme left. I consider myself a moderate person, but I cannot tolerate these leftist nor the alt-right MAGA Conservatives type groups out there.
Hence, I would consider it a waste of time joining them. They want to hear what they want, not the truth.
Strike pay should be significantly higher. The fact it is not goes to show me how much CUPW has wasted on futile expenditures.
Time with my family is worth far more than $50 because once we are back I know the days will be long and cold and I’ll be breaking my back again for a company that has no respect for me.
It’s disheartening the union doesn’t pony up and pay at least double the current $50 daily rate. Make it worth people time to come out!
Cupw can only afford a few weeks of strike action
Dear Canada Post and CUPW,
It has been hard going shopping with the family while preparing for strike.
The wife and kids were eyeing so many items they wanted for Christmas which I can’t afford to give them since we are on strike now.
My kids will not be able to send Santa Letters since they know Santa won’t be receiving any mail.
We will have to skip Christmas gift giving this year. If we are lucky we can still have a less satisfying Christmas meal.
We might as well be eating baloney sandwiches with how things are going.
Yours Sincerely,
A Concerned Postie
You guys will be fine, this will not last forever, been though many of these and it will get sorted out.
That’s for sure
Maybe it’s time to explain to your kids that Santa is not real.
This is THE problem. Get rid of the union, go private, bring back a meritocracy system and it will boosts productivity.
“If we hire someone today with job security, they’ve got a job for life and the defined benefit pension they’re paid through their retirement,” he said. “We have to be careful in terms of how many full-time employees that we add to the mix.”
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7384291
Not true.
I have worked at a few private companies.
The same thing happens there.
No matter how productive I was my manager bullied me to work harder and no one protected my interests. Plus, the pay sucked.
All you talk about is privatize.. Go work at a company that’s been privatized and share your view. You don’t speak on the majority here. Obviously you know nothing about business and how it works in a non unionized environment. More than likely you’re a disgruntled supervisor or someone who doesn’t work in Canada Post, so maybe just stop with your fake business analysis and go troll elsewhere 🤡
It’s nothing new at Canada post so please stop your whining on here and go work at your almighty private company.
The Real Problem is how the Corporation can get away with not having full disclosure on its Financials. I’m sure FedEx has it out in the open, but this Crown Corporation is allowed to keep things hidden. This creates a huge amount of skepticism!
I believe it was the Amazon Account that really became a no profit worth while situation over the years. I tried to get an F.O.I. request but the contract was completely blacked out so I couldn’t read the terms and price CPC was charging Amazon.
What really gets me is the fact we are still picking up Amazon Returns from the RPOs and we didn’t even deliver those packages in the first place! That’s is a not a Prudent Business Decision.
Amazon can build there own Return Depots!
Our labour costs, trucks, and warehouse space should be for companies that pay a reasonable rate for our service. Canada Post shouldn’t try to be a Consolidated Freight Company when its a Postal Service that has most of its resources tied up moving around Junk Mail like ULINES.
Show us the Contract Canada Post. What is ULINE paying for these massive amounts of catalogues and what is Amazon paying for a Returned Package?
Less then Cost for sure
Exactly.
Show us your books Canada Post!
So true about Uline!
We’re charging far too little for that stuff
Nobodies going Kiss the Uline $$$ away…That would be their Termination. Must be in the millions. Thats part of the mismanaged Admail division.The Bigger Uline Book should have a higher price then the smaller one and by a certain %…… But the way they look at that contract is just revenue…….Cause the true expense is harder to determine. CP has Uline Trapped We are the only ones that can Deliver that product do to logistics…
They do have a higher price than most admail. You are attempting to explain cooking to a chef…you’re out of your league with these comments.
It should be at least $6 each from what the Pricing states. But of course the massive volume would get them a better rate. Which should be the same as a small Amazon Package that probably costs…$1.25
And we can debate that, but it makes sense if the Flyer costs are supposed to be 10 cents each.
What would be really killing us is if Canada Post is picking up the Pallets of Admail for free and shipping them all over the Country.
You obviously are not well informed about Amazon. There was never a time when they were not doing their own expansion, as it was always going to be cheaper and more flexible than whatever this is here. Getting the return business is brilliant actually. This highlights the readily available post office drop spots, provides one way tracked service that we wouldn’t get and it goes to major centres with minimal cost for sorting. It doesn’t go out to random businesses mostly but a huge dedicated pile. Your logic is we should make them do it? That’s all I need to hear from you about business plans. Your eyes would water if you knew how much Uline was paying. It isn’t cheap, considering you treat it as trash.
That’s because the Uline catalogues are trash with the outdated mailing list
You got that right! Canada Post is probably spending quite a bit to remove the piles of them going into Recycling Bins too!
The paraphrasing you are using misses a few beats and I know your intent is to make my more direct statements regarding the Business activity at Canada Post seem false. But where ever your logic comes has to be backed up with facts. I have put some questions out there. I have worked in the Transportation Business for almost 30yrs! I stated that I tried to get the Information of the Amazon account and you or someone in the Glass Tower has decided to hold back that information. What is it that is so secret? There shouldn’t be anything hidden regarding a customers charges. The fact that Canada Post has given some select companies such as Amazon a sweet deal has prevented smaller businesses from being able to compete. You have to provide a Level Playing Field when conducting business transactions in a Crown Corporation.
Believe me when I say that no company would share their contracts with the public. It’s nobody’s business least of all yours. If you have thirty years of experience as you say, then you know this. All rates are published but that is generic info. Imagine you bought a car and they published the details of your transaction. Not how business works. Check yourself.
The Crown Corporation is regulated by the Government and Canadians pay taxes and expect full transparency when requesting the information. So it is my business as well as every person that would like to see it. Do you know the contracts? If you do, I’m sure your can see the Fixed Cost to any package moving within the Canada Post system. CPC has adversely preventing businesses from being able to compete with Amazon. Our Nations Postal Service decided to take that road for short term gain. There has to be a bare minimum price, No exceptions! There was a reason why Amazon was always able to sell for less! If there was Free Shipping and Free Returns than we can be certain the price that Canada Post was charging was quite a bit less than fixed costs. If this was such a great deal than how did CPC loose 3 billion in 6 years? Especially at a time when the volumes were at the highest level during the Pandemic?
Do they have A contract With Amazon. If CP is going to take any business from a large company They would be wise to have a Contract…Otherwise Its A bad Investment for CP…Too Risky.
Why are all the picket locations now in the cities? Any depot outside of a city is not on the list. Check the CUPW site.
Why no negotiations until monday? We’re told how crucial and important our service is. Both sides should not be able to take a day off at this point until a deal is reached. How old are they anyway!
Infuriating!
That’s just crazy!!! Get a deal already!!
No negotiations until Monday?Well they need the wknd off…it’s tough sitting at a table, eating at the best restaurants etc!As long as people are on the line they’re taking it easy😡
That’s the union not negotiating, just to put more hardship on the members. It’s bad enough those incompetence have wasted over a Year again and over and over and gotten no where. The union should not be allowed to negotiate without a mediator because they will do nothing to settle this situation. We needed a councilator just to get our first offer from CPC and the union blew it again by not being clear in demands from the beginning.. Bunch of amateurs.. Negotiating committee should be disbanded permanently and sent to Cuba 1 way for this behavior.. The membership has had enough, supervisors who don’t even know the job getting bonuses to the union just raising our dues for another failed negotiation.. This is truly pathetic. CUPW can’t even dress professionally when commenting to the media, they look like a bunch of homeless.. We need this done and over with a reasonable raise, the longer this drags the more the public walks away and we may even have to face layoffs in the near future because of these delays. The union should not be allowed to negotiate for almost a year without results, enough is enough you crooks.
I haven’t worked for Canada Post even a year yet and I’m feeling very overwhelmed with emotion and frustration. I’ve busted my butt on the daily and I feel like my hard work is rarely, if ever respected or appreciated by anyone. Now here I am on the street like a begging dog proving to myself my assumptions of lack of respect and appreciation were 100% right.
What makes this the worst for me personally is the lack of support I am feeling from the public and what put my in tears yesterday. The majority of the public does not respect us either I feel and clearly side with management.
The possibility that I may quit and look for employment elsewhere is increasing very quickly. The delusion within the company from all sides of what is really going on and what is deemed fair are truly astonishing.
Thanks for listening.
Sorry to hear that. I have been working for this company for 25 years and feel the same way as you do, and I think many others do as well. If you are a good, hard working individual who just wants to do your job and go home, this probably isn’t the best fit. I used to tell the rookies to stick it out, it gets better, but I can’t anymore. CPC has such an ingrained culture of bullying and disrespect, and it doesn’t ever change, regardless of whichever government appointed CEO is installed.
I will say this is the first time in my career I have seen CUPW truly dig in their heels to try and avoid rollbacks and concessions. Whether or not an arbitrator sides with us is another story. I’ve never experienced that either.
Many of us lifer employees feel your pain, but we are in to deep or are too old to get out. If things don’t improve, do yourself a favor, start taking a serious look at another company, because you (and all of us) deserve better than to be bullied and disrespected every day.
Thanks for responding it means a lot. I’ll take you advice seriously. I understand what you’re saying. Thanks.
Canada Post and CUPW are both bureaucracies ~ ‘a hierarchical organization or a company that operates by a set of pre-determined rules’. No one will change the Old School Tactic as long as the status quo remains the same. Those within higher levels don’t feel the financial strain to the same degree as Front Line Workers. A responsible Government should automatically intervene during the Strike and ensure that everybody at the Table is 1. Competent 2. Motivated & 3. Not corrupt
A Financial Audit should be launched immediately on Both CUPW and Canada Post and a Full Disclosure Report should be posted online for all Canadians to see. This is how we can reduce the Bad Perception and Skepticism.
Yes our Goodwill with the public has dropped, What do you expect when you place Some legitimate and some (Not) work orders on people stairs etc. We need protocols. To contain the monsters.
I love the clueless APOC commenters on here showing their loyalty. Whatever we fight for and win, you also benefit from, remember that.
Ok enough already!!! Can you just negotiate already!! You’ve been at this for a year, meet in the middle let’s get a fair, realistic and reasonable deal and get back to work! We’re at a crucial time of year, probably already missed out on it and probably no going back! You’re dealing with people’s lives here, so let’s get on with it on both sides!!! Unbelievable!!
That makes too much sense
Why is nobody saying anything about the last contract extension for 2 years without a raise Because it does not look good for either the CUPW or the management.
We did get a 2% raise each of these past 2 years but it pales in comparison to the increase in cost of living. Property taxes, home heating, groceries and every other day to day expense continues to rise and 11% over 4 years simply will simply put us further behind. If they could at least front end load the first year at 8% and then maybe 2.5% for the remaining 3 years maybe that would help some people.
When asked what I want for dinner, I will reply ‘filet mignon, scampi and king crab’. That’s what I want, but it’s not realistic. I still get a great dinner, but not the forementioned. When CUPW asks for a huge wage increase and phenomenal other items, that’s what they are supposed to do. However, when the first answer is no, and definitely is not the great dinner, asking for the filet mignon etc again is not negotiating. Put out different options and proposals to your union members and get them to vote on whether they agree or not. Then present again. And so on, and so on…. Playing over the top hardball because that’s who you are as the negotiating board does not mean a win for the members you are representing. They are paying union dues to be represented in good faith for an actual win for CUPW. It backfired last time and will again.
Well said, I’m with this line of thought. I don’t expect that the masses will agree are be half as eloquent.
i agree!
THIS!!! absolutely.
Yes!!
I figure its time to rewrite the Book of Rules. But first the Corporation needs to end the Contracting out. This especially needs to happen in Major City Centers. Install Retail Counters at every Depot and make the Supervisors serve the Customers. This is better than having a Drug Store employee who is paid minimum wage do the job of two people when the Drugstore owner wants to cheap out. The sign of ‘Sorry gone for Break, be back in 30mins’ gets placed on the counter. And a Canada Post Supervisor says, oh well what can we do? How the heck did we get here? This is just one smear on the Canada Posts Image! Get a Grip People!
Exactly.
It sucks turning away potential customers at the call mail window who want drop off a parcel or buy postage. Plus, we only open from 10 am to 2pm. Couldn’t we open longer since we have PO4s still collecting and transferring scannables to the RPOs until 6 pm? Also, they should have PO4s or LCAs work the call mail desk instead of a relief letter carrier.
It would be great if we could accept customer drop offs of pre-paid parcels and letter mail at the call mail.
100 % in agreement
CUPW has done some great things for the employees over the years for sure, but they should be accountable to the MEMBERSHIP they represent, so let the members VOTE on each and every contract presented
By doing this, they would know if the MEMBERSHIP is on board with demands, or as a COLLECTIVE , we wish to accept the proposal
No idea how many are even on the NEB, but lets say 10 ( as a round number)- makes NO SENSE that 10 get to determine the fate of 55000!
Let us VOTE!
When Canada post actually offers something worthwhile then we will vote on it. You are only seeing what CPC wants you to see. The rollbacks and clawbacks in their pathetic excuse of an offer are substantial. Their money woes are for the most part artificially created and only meant to decimate us. They want to completely elimnate 15.08 and 17.04 for full timers. We dont make anywhere near enough now let alone with out OT access. How many can carry a family and a household on our salaries? Try reading up on it yourself. Lots of scary stuff hidden in there
Same can be said for the union executives.
It sucks paying for union retreats that most members who show up to union meetings don’t get to enjoy.
Union executives always nominate themselves or their friends and family for these trips.
The same people always get picked for conferences and retreats for Womens, Health and Safety, Education, and Human Rights. It sucks. That’s another reason why I stopped going to union meetings.
Cupw is still lost in the seventies and only has one play book. We are talking about uneducated carriers and clerks doing the negotiations
A lot of uneducated are better than the educated that did not earn there education. Please don’t badmouth change your attitude Boss
What i would like for dinner is to eat with my family at normal human being time. Not 9 at night and then going to bed exhausted because of SSD. Dont bother with ssd not going anywhere comments. There are many changes that could implemented not the least of which 8 am start time
It’s a tough job, both physically and mentally, to begin with and the company is just adding a lot more stress to it. Unfortunately for us workers it’s a game at this point. There’s more than a strong possibility that it’s here to stay but instead of just fighting for it’s reversal and losing in binding arbitration our union should work to modify it, like the early start you suggested. But at least they’ll be able to say we stood strong, it’s the company’s fault, when it remains unchanged. That, to me, is the most frustrating part.
Stop trying to turn the corporation into Amazon. Your employees on the line are worth more than that. Employees shouldn’t pay for the mistakes and decisions made by upper management.
100% Bang on 👍🏼
Nothing wrong with Amazon…oh wait, they’re workers…None of us are any better than front line Amazon,Purolater,UPS etc
Great comment. Anyone who disagrees is a wuss
Look at other delivery services, e-commerce is one of the only ways for Canada Post to turn a profit beside improve services by including weekend deliveries.
Back in 2019 -2022, we were busy and getting lots of business from Amazon. There was lots of work out and we all enjoyed the paycheck due to the overtime.
Unfortunately, Amazon and other e-commerce retailers smarten up and developed their own delivery services by paying less to migrant workers.
Unfortunately, too many greedy people in the Canada Post senior management/ board of directors (why the 🤬💩 do they need 22 VPs &10 directors) and CUPW (National, Regional, and Local executives) want a piece of the pie to fund their overindulgent lifestyles.
It’s sucks that we have to be on strike and have both sides of the higher ups work against us.
I really hope we get back to our jobs delivering mail and parcels to our customers. I miss working my route already.
Blame Game Lame
if the corporation isn’t willing to pay workers a fair wage, in line with inflation and the cost of living (somehow this is considered a big ask in 2024), then maybe this company doesn’t deserve to exist.
Cost of living is under 2% and i think $30 is a fair wage for being high school educated, manual labour.
You’re conflating cost of living with inflation.
The annual average change in the consumer price index excluding energy since 2018 is over 18%. These statistics are readily available for you to source online with minimal effort.
Frontline workers in this company have sacrificed enough (increased workloads, stagnant wages, the pandemic). It’s time for the pendulum to swing back.
Unfortunately, we are still stuck with so many lazy worker who continue to milk the system with their accommodations and ongoing STDP claims.
Even before their injuries they were just as lazy.
I agree and unfortunately the union protects them, my job was threaten by the union if I didn’t stop complaining about lazy co-workers
Yes yes and yes
I have never seen work place that people are not working supervisors are harassing and bullying the employees who does the work. It’s really an issue it’s stressful and affecting our mental health, no matter what we still do our job because we are getting paid good salary benefits and pension.
Enough with the lazy workers we get it. You’ve beat that one to death. How about concentrating your limited efforts on the task at hand of sorting a contract fair to us workers and not bending over to your cpc overlords incessantly whining about the union
Also, the union changes your mindset and way of working. For the probation period, employees can work extremely hard but once they are confirmed and know they cannot be fired, they take advantage of the system.
Do you think this is fair for others who really want Canada Post to suceed?
I am well aware of the price of living as I am in the same boat as you. My point is that there is no means to go back and recoup the loss in buying power. When the economy is rolling along, there is no discussion of pulling back on wages of course. For you, the pendulum only swings one way. At this point it looks like the union is riffling through an empty wallet. There isn’t anything left, contrary to what you may think. Less everyday by the way.
The pendulum hasn’t swung our way and we been getting screwed for years and years. Time to level the playing field. And as another post correctly stated , if they can’t pay properly then maybe they don’t deserve to exist. Have to break some eggs to make an omelet
Do you think members of APOC possess any real discernible skills beyond sending an email in outlook, or writing up a draft in word? I had to teach a team leader how to source a name in a PDF file the other day. These aren’t exactly the best and brightest the company has to offer. They audit neighbourhood for a living, and when pressed with additional paperwork they lash out like spoiled children.
Those “uneducated, manual labourers” are the reason you have a job.
A lot of APOC come from your ranks.
Think it’s so easy then step up or step aside.
LOL! Yes, if you’re lazy and are good at harassing workers you’ll be hired as a supervisor. If you suck up good to managers, you’ll be promoted to superintendent. If you backstab your fellow employees, you’ll be promoted to manager!
If it’s so easy, then why don’t you become one
Getting paid to exercise and interact with customers in the fresh air, or spy on people, sign out keys, make sure the parking brakes on vehicles and equipment. Hmmmm tough call
Does this apply to management as well?
Absolutely ridiculous comment , come work for a week as a letter Carrier and you will find out. Most of carrier walk up to 20k average and it would take you atleast 2 years to learn the skill to sort mail in a case and deliver it safely.
This is the truth unlike half the other bs posts on this cpc manifesto propaganda site
Not everyone’s education level is just high school educated.
Many of us have post secondary education, we just choose to deliver mail because we enjoy the job.
Plus, Canada Post is not the only place I have ever worked at.
I have worked so many retail, sales, office, and factory jobs since I was 15 years old.
Being a postie can be a skilled job where you are knowledgeable about the streets and roads in the area, and you have to be physically fit, have great attention to detail and have excellent eye and hand coordination.
Not everyone can do the work of a letter carrier or delivery agent.
I would love to see you try and do our job for a day when it is raining or snowing hard, roads and sidewalks are slippery or the weather is extreme hot. I don’t mind any of these conditions, but I am sure you would have a hard time managing it.
You do realize that if there is no volume, there is no company thus no job.
And no hefty exec bonuses.
Looks like the exec bonuses is a big concern of yours. Why not change company? I am not in favour of the execs but everyone has the choice to leave the company and look for another company if they do not like it.
You most probably do not leave the company because you know you can continue to abuse the system here with a decent benefit and pay. Why would you go out of your comfort zone.
Thank you I agree
7-11 has sold out of slurpees.
With the increase they proposed won’t have money to buy sorry
If we get A 10% wage increase after this is over it’ll take over 2 yrs to break even with 2 weeks of lost wages. But given the fact that it’ll go to arbitration which will probably take 2 yrs , so it’ll actually take 4 yrs to break even. Never win with a strike. It’s not all about the money I know so hopefully we can win a couple other of these things
So let’s all just give up, throw our hands in the air and do nothing. No thanks! maybe good for you but unacceptable for the majority of us.
With the increase they proposed won’t have money to buy a slurpee Sorry. Back to the tent
Lol! Too funny 7-11 selling out of slurpees! Well they can go to Tim’s then in their sweats and pony tails…they all look alike!
You’re right! The “men” have ponies and the “women” have crew cuts. The in-betweeners are a free for all.
I agree both sides are to blame…they love this cat and mouse game…always have…always will(well for about the next 2-5 years) Enjoy working for a private company…no wait they’ll get rid of half of you…mgmt and workers
I have worked at a private company before.
It makes no difference. Still too many useless people working there, too.
The longer this goes on the less essential we become. Both sides are losing the battle for the hearts and minds and ‘wallets’ of the public.
Well said!
Stop with the sky is falling. It’s all cpc lies. None of it is true and media is finally realizing that. Stop kneeling at management staffs
Thank you Canada Post for thinking of your sick and injured employees by cutting off the STDP. Why would I think you would ever take the high road as you drive the company to the bottom!!
This just shows how the union operates, failing to consider the full consequences of their actions including their own members.
exactly. If you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
I think the blame falls on both sides. As they say, it takes two.
Both sides have been playing this game.
I agree both sides are to blame…they love this cat and mouse game…always have…always will(well for about the next 2-5 years) Enjoy working for a private company…no wait they’ll get rid of half of you…mgmt and workers
Why doesn’t the media like CTV or Global expose corruption and deception carried out by Canada Post’s 22 Senior Management including their 10 Board of Directors?
https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/our-company/leadership-and-governance/senior-management-team.page
https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/our-company/leadership-and-governance/corporate-governance/directors-biographies.page
These are useless individuals should not be paid millions to run Canada Post into bankruptcy.
If Canada Post wants to negotiate in good faith and an ethical manner, these 32 individuals need to give back the millions they gave themselves as bonuses and work at reduced benefits and wages.
They owe it the Canadian people and CUPW members who have cheated by the Corporation for the past 30 years.
i don’t know, probably because there is no corruption or deception. Just a thought…Maybe you can think of some more conspiracy threads to pull, like Sasquatch, Aliens and Illuminati
wait short term stops during the strike?
Might as well-I am lucky in that I have training I can use somewhere else. This is not the case for a lot of people so think maybe before you speak.
This is when CPC is usually saved by back to work legislation. Not this time.
Long weekend and hopefully a week off.
I hope we stay out until December, and every last person managing the company in Ottawa is fired.
THIS 100%
Hopefully January and then with the decimation of business we can lay off the slackers and cheaters and those of us who actually work can make this company profitable once again.
And what do you think will be left of this company after we’ve been out for 8-10 weeks
The company will be a leaner but more agile and efficient company that has a better chance to win back profitable parcel business to be able to subsidize the unprofitable mail operations especially the rural areas.
I agreed
So most of management then. Who’s gonna deliver the mail? No one can answer the question. They continue to mess with the LC job, which is the only relevant job in this company. No one wants to do it anymore except for the few of us with some jump in our step and not scared of weather conditions, yet they try to make it more and more difficult. I’m hoping for the big axe as you say, of all these useless people I report to but do nothing of value.
20 year LC
Well, the only sustainable way for the company to survive and maybe thrive is to get out of the last-mile delivery business. It’s the most labour and cost intensive and least automateable part of the operations. No more fighting over SSD or LCs being overburdened. Let the enterprising entrepreneurs in the private sector take on this challenge with their innovations without the shackles of CUPW.
YES! EXACTLY!!!
I’m pretty new, started in June (on call) and if it wasn’t for the news, I wouldn’t even know that we are striking. I don’t even know if we are suppose to picket. Have not received any emails at all. Received a letter in the mail advising of the negotiations about 3 weeks ago.
Been working casual for a year and nobody from the union has bothered to contact me.
Makes you wonder if the union is really working for the members’ interest.
Have you paid for your union initiation fees?
If not, don’t make any effort to pay them.
It’s unfair for them to charge you union dues the same as a full timer if you only work one or two days a month.
What a joke..I have been a letter carrier for 34 years. Retire in April.
What does our union think they are doing.. they are digging a deeper hole. Canada post needs to make huge changes. Worse time to strike.. more customers lost..we loose pay.. ridiculous
Exactly. Canada Post will have no more future after this. There is no recovery and how do you expect to attract young people to change the company and make it better?
how can they attract new workers with what they are offering in the agreement for new employees? half the pension, less vacation time and additional vacation days not earned as quickly, the raises will be stretched over a longer period, no more cola.
Labour cost goes up because of unproductive employees and there is no way to layoff the unproductive employees. New employees are penalised and when all volumes are going to competitors because of strikes like this, it has a direct impact on revenue. It is logical, nothing complicated.
CUPW also Has A pension specialist. I Want to know What they Think about the 100,s of Millions We pay RBC each year to manage the money?
But I don’t think they care cause they don’t get a cut.
It is the responsibility of the people running the company to make decisions that make the most fiscal sense and improve productivity. This mess was created by them!
How can anyone think that paying CUPW a sub par wage, increasing MGMT wage and bonuses and continuing to manage the company poorly will result in any positive outcome?
There are lazy employees because they overhired people and hold no one accountable for their actions of any kind. It’s like a parent always telling their child yes because they are afraid of the child’s emotions when they say no and how upset the child will be so the parent continues to let the child act out.
There are 300 directors and 500 Managers! All of which play the role of bigshot and make no needed changes on a daily bases. We are constantly hiring for no reason other than to employ all the people required in the chain to hire and train an employee.
We are so overstaffed and poorly run that a complete overhaul from top to bottom (15 VP’s & 70 GM’s) is required but as we know this will not happen. All of these people are doing a horrific job and need to be held accountable BEFORE you point the finger at all of CUPW as a whole and blame the frontline worker for everything. We are existing in the environment they have created!
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Well said 👍
Fiscal is taxes (government)……CUPW Made the Bonus Impossible, And Don’t want Any Productivity improvements…..So give management A break…..Irrationality will only get you to the credit Limit !
EXCELLENT COMMENT!! WELL PUT!!!
How can you improve productivity and accountability if you cannot fire or layoff the bad actors in the union?
Exactly.
I work with some of the most unscrupulous and laziest people.
It sucks that the union has protect these fraudster.
This message should be read by the public and the media.
Maybe we should all post it on Reddit or Bluesky.
I stopped using Twatter/X because it’s run by some rich weirdo who doesn’t respect his employees.
trust me. if the public wants it we can access this comment section. i’m not a worker. but i’m reading through and finding more about what’s going on than the damn media is saying. i prefer the inside scoop.
Why do a lot of people comment here to bash CUPW? To please the management or they are the management. Power of being anonymous?
As yourself
Thanks, you too.
I might not support CUPW NEB, regional or local executives, because they have behaved ridiculously bad in representing the workers. However, the 22 VPs and 10 Board of Directors of Canada Post have destroyed the corporations reputation with their unchecked greed and enormous egos.
What Happens to CUPW assets, If Canada post where to Be sold, I can’t rationalize CUPW motives. They own some properties. Who would represent our interest the workers……The retirees Have solid Representation. Follow the Money!
How is any of this even relevent to the sittuation?
Motive is always relevant. You have to get off your one stage thinking!
You have to find other interests. Your multiple comments on this forum show you have nothing better to do with your time.
Most of your comments only serve to divide. Pick a side, us or them and fall in line. Stop playing both sides with your whining
This thinking is the problem. If these two corporations would work together instead of thinking us vs them, then maybe things wouldn’t be run so poorly by both sides.
You talk like my supervisor.
This is funny. You can tell CPC expected rotating strikes with this premade announcement. Nothing about us being on strike….lol
Your assuming they only had Only one paper for one scenario Ready.
I don’t know about that. Canada Post locked CUPW out at 8am this morning and announced it 3 days ago
Canada Post eliminates all benefits and cancels all vacation leave and thinks people will still be working? These decision makers live far from reality so no wonder a deal couldn’t be made.
Employees are not working. What do you expect? Full benefit and pay? If this was a private company and employees do not work, you are fired period. Too many employees abuse the system.
Exactly, the same lazy people abusing benefits and leave.. They need to remove them because we will lose the benefits for ourselves when we need to use them. A few people went on covid paid leave over 10 weeks without having covid, stdp is also abused by the usual suspects but the union defends the lazy and repeaters. In order for us to have decent benefits it’s time to put the repeat offenders on permanent disability and goodbye..
We have no volumes – so we don’t need all the staff – simple logic
Kudos to the union for pushing Canada Post further into decline, without considering the impact on other employees and the company’s future. The company has been struggling financially since 2018, especially after losing major clients because of the last strike. Maybe it is time to consider privatization.
And Kudos to The company that has ‘been struggling since 2018’ for cutting the CEO and managements bonuses on top of their grossly large salaries! Because how could there be money for that when they’re claiming such financial distress?? Or did that not happen, and they continued to receive their inflated salaries while the workers barely made above minimum wage and now they’re crying poor and trying to balance their books on the backs of workers …Hm.
Did you ever consider their pay is higher as they have more responsibility and people to answer to? Those positions require degrees and knowledge. Our role as delivering mail, which I am grateful for, didnt require a degree or education from me. I have much better working conditions and much higher pay than anywhere else for what I do.
Exactly right. Guy who started at 18 delivering the same route for years thinks he is some sort of captain of industry all of a sudden. Managing 800 POC is not the same as running a business. Not too many companies run by the front line employees, for a reason
Whole lot of good those degrees and higher education are doing with a claimed $3 billion loss 🙃
Just because you have a degree doesn’t mean you’re smart enough to run a business successfully. Not saying higher responsibilities doesn’t deserve higher pay but if you ran the company in the ground and you still have a job and giving yourself bonuses? C’mon. CPC manufactured this crisis themselves and the workers out there are paying for it.
Well said
That’s true, when people say this about executives they don’t realize that executives have to answer to everyone , manage people, and have to take tough decisions based on so many factors which if put upon employee at lower tier even like me, I would pee my pants.
Everybody is not uneducated. I know a couple of Ph.D.s working here.
Don’t worry the Conservatives already have it on their minds…CPC will be one of the first companies sold off but I don’t know who’d buy it…
LOL you’re a fool Jonathan
I might be a fool but at least I care about my future.
My late great mother with no education or experience on negotiations could have done a better job and there would have been an agreement on a fair contract that we could all live with. Shame and pathetic all of you.
@on strike you just described our executive and i have no doubt your Mom could have done better…Hire a High School Co-op class…they’ll get it done
As a retired postie( 10 yrs now) I can’t believe how out of touch the top union brass still is. 25% raise over 4 yrs, banked sick days(gave those up 20yrs ago and got paid out) protection against change…….
In the 1980’s we could build forts with all the xmas mail around our cases.Now there is very little mail and Canada Post is losing huge money.
Great bargaining chips. The union heads need to go and get with the modern times where change and flexibility is a thing. Sorry
Pretty sure it was not 20 yrs ago that we lost our banked sick time and we surely weren’t paid out for them
It was 2011 when we lost banked sick days and got the 7 personal days
13 years not 20
Sorry
feels like 20 after being retired for 10,
And yes they gave us a % payout.. maybe the person commenting above used all his and got nothing
It does feel like a lot longer but alas I got a year in the bank that will be my gift to this corp soon enough, as it was for many of my coworkers. No buyout for us. Perhaps you’re thinking of our lost severance package that was paid out a few years previous
The Union still thinks those times exist! They’re bargaining with the 80s/90s mentality🙄
Must be nice. Why are you here commenting?
Unions are a parasite…Look at the USA for example, Every industry they enter wages go up number of employees go down….Leaving Ghost Towns, and the ride down is brutal for people and communities. Look at the Car industry In Canada…..The only reason they survive is the government gives them 10,s of billion of Tax dollars and the number of employees is a fraction of what it was….The only unions that survive In North America are government sector Unions……Yes unions do good things….The only rational explanation for the Strike is CUPW wants Government Money……In the Political situation today is it possible Yes. The Corporation Has rules which they Must Follow…so they can’t give CUPW what they want. CUPW is A short Term thinker, Do we really want Government Money….I’m more of an economist….Canada is Headed for tough Times In 2025 and 2026…The Government deficit is Going to Ballon and the dollar is going to weaken further…..A few decades Ago Canada put a bunch of Bonds on the Market and they went No Bid….They held an emergency Meeting and Jack up rates 2%. CUPW very short Thinkers Indeed……They proved my Point with the 2 year covid extension….Sorry to ramble on But suddenly I have some free time.
this kind of thinking is whats destroying livable wage standards… there are very few unions left in north america now, look at all the 99% of the other companies where there are no unions, most have below standard benefits and wages, companies are the real problem and have been winning the war against unions for 50 years, they just close shop now and reopen elsewhere non unionized with impunity… unions are losing this war and the info war too, to the point people that have enjoyed the benefits under unions now wish they didnt exist… see you in 5 years when you are replaced by bots at a company that has no unions.
FYI company was going to pay out the sick time, but cupw thought that was unfair for staff that didn’t have any sick time left, so settled on around $250 for every employee… PRICELESS
How do you meet 100+ times and come up with nothing?
What’s funnier is both sides bragging about how poor their negotiating techniques are.
I say grab a dozen random people from those that will be posting here today and we can hammer something out by noon on Sunday.
Buy us a nice brunch, we don’t even need a fancy hotel.
They both drew a line in the sand and refused to budge. There has to be compromise and give and take on both sides.
NOV 15, 2024
Is this a “General Strike” nationally today instead of a Rotational Strike? Based upon the email we received today it sounds like a General Strike but it was not called that. Looking for clarification. If this is Rotational Strike, what please are the locations affected by picketing today? Thanks
CUPW announced a national strike.
Excellent