CUPW negotiations: New terms and conditions of employment come into effect
November 15, 2024, 07:10 am
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On November 12, we received strike notices from CUPW. Canada Post responded by notifying the union that unless new agreements were reached, the current collective agreements for both the Urban and RSMC bargaining units no longer apply as of today.
As of Friday, November 15 at 8 a.m. ET, employees in the Urban and RSMC bargaining units have changes to their terms and conditions of employment. Among other important changes, staffing levels are being reduced for the Urban bargaining unit and vacation leave is being cancelled for both bargaining groups. It’s very important that you familiarize yourself with the changes.
Weeks of labour uncertainty have significantly eroded Canada Post’s volumes and severely impacted the company’s finances. Canada Post must make adjustments to its operations, as allowed under the Canada Labour Code, based on its current operational realities and business needs.
What you need to do
- Read a summary PDF about the changes to the terms and conditions of employment for Urban unit employees.
Stay informed
Watch for further updates on the Negotiations Hub or in mailings to your home. On the Negotiations Hub you can also sign up for email updates, directly to your inbox.
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Just want to say I’ve been around longer than these execs, seen the last ones get cut loose, and it will be the same with these ones. A few already jumped ship. Same old story. Still her as an LC 20 years later…hopefully the government makes a better choice with the next CEO.
Thoughts for all posting here.
You campaign we go on strike and in the same sentence say we are glorified paper boys and the next sentence say force us back because it’s costing the country money. So are we paper boys or deemed necessary.
Canada post just reported a profit in q2 but claimed losses last year when purchasing ( buiiidng ) a 750’million plant. Thats an investment and this year sold a ln investment. Goes both ways CPC.
CPC continues to pay bonus and at risk pay at 4 percent to supervisor and more the ones above. (And btw the apoc association which is supervisors will get the same raise as cupw and don’t have to do anything to get it. Just show up to work )
CEO has a job while losing 4 billion??????? And all 22 vp as well. Seems to makes sense lose money keep job ask for money to live get told we are greedy.
We ask for 22 it’s not what we will get if we asked for 15 would you complain ?
Anyone that says it such an easy job. Guess what CPC is always hiring apply get that job you say is so easy to do. See how long you last in the first -39 day walking 12 to 20 km
CPC also refused to make an offer tell negotiations were almost over. This could have been done 2023 not last min.
Settle now and CPC will not be posting losses over Xmas mail it’s costing more by not settling with the union. Simple accounting no income =lay off mangers pay and settle = juicy bonuses for your managers again and staff busting their butts getting everything to ppls houses for Xmas and Santa letters for all the boys and girls ( and some of you adults as well)
Just in case there are people on here that think that we are essential, read this article.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/jesse-kline-canada-post-went-on-strike-and-no-one-cared/ar-AA1usbyg?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=HCTS&cvid=1f3e9052c3f7499499a2513fa9a6fb93&ei=19
Just wondering what our supervisor are doing while we are out on the picket line? Instead of counting elastics or whatever you guys are doing inside, why not take the opportunity to replace all the delaminated license plates on our fleet here in BC. Take a look around in your yard, you are too busy inspecting our circle checks but you forget to take a look around at what’s clearly out in the open. Recognize these are free to replace ans are subject to a $230 per plate. Get to work. Do something productive. The yard is all yours.
I can imagine the mountains of CRMs they are going through…
In BC the supervisors are dropping off our parcels at UPS and paying for UPS to deliver them.
Yeah, that’s not happening.
that is false…that is illegal and not happening
LC should not be able to take OT within their original scheduled hours because they finished early.
100% 👍
That’s your opinion, the fact is that they finished their route and are taking other routes that are no theirs… but I mean if you would like something like that, you are more then welcome to apply for an LC position
haha goodluck with that we are here to stay and personally the only reason ive stayed around made 140k+ last 5 out of 6 years and almost always done in under 8.5-9 hours so thanks for the awesome system cpc wtg!
I have worked for CP for 10 years and I am ashamed. The media, people, everyone around us is upset with us, and we have damaged our reputation really badly. I already found another job and I am not going back. I cant believe the CUPW is doing this i did not want this at all. It is embarrassing that we destroyed so many people’s lives across the country.
Why is it that to remain competitive, the worker has to take the hit and work weekends without OT pay. Right now there is money to be made on weekend delivery. By not doing it we get zero money. Therefore if the company was to make anything , it would be more than zero. They will not make as much as they would if parcels were delivered during the week but it would be more than zero. They could pay weekend rates and turn a profit. Hell they could charge customers an extra $5 for weekend delivery and give them the luxury of choosing. We’ll call it. ” Priority Parcel”. They have many varying products like this for letters and parcels already. “Need it now” rates.
Just spitballing. Surely someone in marketing can come up with an idea. If the employees extra $15/hr is eating up all the profits, you don’t have the volume to mail on the weekends.
Here’s an idea.
All Radars, ULINES and flyers should be mailed on the weekends. 🙌
No more weekday delivery of ulines. 👏 🎉
It’ll be just like when you’re 10 years old delivering a newspaper route with flyers and coupons.
Ah, the good old days. 😊
Great idea, now instead of 50 routes at your depot, evenly need 30. You know, since you don’t want to do that kind of work
Remember in the 90’s when we had a dedicated workforce that only delivered Admail? And how the union completely ignored them until the govermnent ordered us to get out of the Admail business so 10,000 workers were let go. Then the union suddenly decided the Admail guys were important and used them to gain sympathy for the 1997 negotiations? I remember that. Way to go union!
Ok, the OT is given to the full-timers first. We casuals or new employees have to scavenge on leftovers. We get looked down upon by the senior LCs.
I hope the CPC and the union see what is actually happening and give us a chance to work, too.
No overtime +More new hires =more union dues. Hence, no increase to union dues.
It’s a win-win situation for everyone except people hungry for overtime pay.
If a full time employee wants OT, they will have wait at the back of the line.
It’s called seniority. Your day will come if you last that long
No, it’s call being entitled and greedy.
We are never going to receive the same benefits as people who worked with the company for 20+ years.
Those senior LCs were not hired as seniors , it took years of hard labor to become seniors. You just have to wait a wait a lot of years to become senior..
Not a well thought out argument but I appreciate that you tried. I guess you missed the part about how the competition already works on the weekends but as a regular shift. Nobody will pay for weekend delivery, it’s just expected that they will get it on the weekend. It’s also not an extra $15 since a shift on your RDO pays double time. Having you out there for $60 hr is exactly what makes this company unprofitable
Exactly.
Just treat the weekend pay like a regular work day pay and give it to the new LCs or casuals.
Plus, save on RDOs and save Canada Post.
No more greedy LCs who always want to take all the RDOs and OTs. I always see them sweet talking the scheduling supervisor and superintendent to get more hours. 🧐
No OT or RDO for LCs on weekends unless, the depot or sorting facility runs out of people to schedule.
Treat weekends like weekday pay like as you were retailer.
Retailers don’t pay employees extra on the weekends.
They schedule people on weekends with the same pay as weekdays.
Weekends are much easier to deliver as safe drop when people are generally home.
I appreciate all of the comments attacking the LCs for picking up OT and getting paid for it. But my questions are, why is there so much overtime? What can’t we find these cheap workers to do the job? I don’t even sign up and my staffing super calls me for help. BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO AND CANNOT DO THIS JOB FOR SUCH LITTLE PAY. I have trained dozens of LCs but they don’t last. That’s why they pay us in the end. 24% raise, and then people will feel like working and there will be less overtime. Show some respect for the work that is done. We are not a parcel delivery company!
I have never maxed out my hours since I am casual.
It would be nice to get a few more phone calls to come into work.
Apparently, full timers get first dibs.☹️
We will have to be now.
It must be nice to work the 8 hours within 5 hours then collect the overtime on top since you probably card all the packages you consider parcels that you don’t want to deliver.
The regular route plus the OT all done under 8 hours.
Bravo 🙌
When you’re good you’re good!
Supervisors remove thirds from noobs and they still don’t complete the route lol.
We didn’t get that help before so it’s actually more profitable to pay 1.5 for someone to do it efficiently.
Why the pessimism?
Is it because you want the OT so you get more $$$?
The Noobs will be fine with proper training. It took me about 3 months to a year figure out how to be more efficient.
Everyone goes through the being on call process, as for the ot everyone gets the equal chance because the line moves.
Sure I’ll pick some up if it’s convenient but at the end of the day I don’t do this job for the money but more the QOL it provides me with. 😉
I would do it, since I have worked for less than what we are getting now.
I have had at least 10 other jobs in my lifetime, and Canada Post is one of the best jobs I have ever had.
I have seen that phenomenon many times too. I have seen people quit within the first week. People need to be respected personally and financially. Otherwise you will have poor production and constant turnover.
Cause they double dip by taking OT within their original work hours that do not even work. This wastes a great deal of $$$$
PT and Casuals get nothing and prop up FT.
I want to remind you there are a bunch of “DOUBLE DIPPER” LCs in my depot who are always on top of the list for OT, but have not even shown up to picket duty.
Plus, they are the pets of management.
How is this fair that they get all these benefits and not care enough to support the union (by picketing in solidarity)that fought for all the gains they get to enjoy?
I hope they get admonished by union and their fellow coworkers when we get back to work.
How can they be always on the top? Is there no equal opportunity list?
You better become a parcel delivery company. You can’t keep your wagon hitched to mail. As the population grows the pieces are dwindling. Half of the community doesn’t want to deliver flyers anymore either. What is it you want to do exactly, for 24% raise you say?
Lol I love all the comments…now half of the community doesn’t want flyers, you can’t just throw out made up percentages. Definitely not half on my route. But I can’t speak for all of Canada like you
We are so close to a deal, but both sides are so mistrusting of the other.
Stop with the egos and get us back to work so we salvage of what’s left of our reputations.
How are we going to win back the trust of our customers if we squabble over petty issues?
Canada Post and the workers need to work together to develop a better business plan. As postal workers, we should allowed to input on ideas on how to improve the corporation.
Every decision is controlled by a small group of egocentric greedy individuals in Ottawa and Gatineau. Apparently, it’s the whole concept that “greed is good.”
It ‘s called “The Gekko effect [that] highlights the fact that some corporate cultures may transmit negative values to their members in ways that make financial malfeasance significantly more probable.”
We need to get rid of the lazy selfish ones, too.
Read the news:
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/jesse-kline-canada-post-went-on-strike-and-no-one-cared/ar-AA1usbyg?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W046&cvid=1959ab7f882b4f40894d061e323243a1&ei=19
Does not matter for us, we are not here for what peoples opinion.We are here to serve the public, we do our best to deliver the mail.
CPC says “new terms and conditions of employment…” and we say “we will NEVER work under these terms – ever!”.
Better look for another job then!
The Union will not take part in a race to the bottom with “gig-economy” platforms, whose business model depends on cheap labour with no rights.
This is ludicrous. These workers will all be paying dues and have as many rights as anyone else. Stop pretending that you care about anything other than your overtime, which is exactly like the hated bonus you talk about.
Someone correct me but the current temps are already cheap labour with little or no benefits. I don’t see the difference. They don’t want to take away from LCs Mon to Fri but complain that they are currently overburdoned and work over 8 hours.
Exactly.
Come on negotiators! Just agree and let us get back to work. 😡
Canada Post doesn’t want to agree. They want arbitration. Their plan all along. They are cowards making bank off of our backs…
Please just agree to weekend deliveries without any overtime or RDO.
Just schedule the new employees to deliver scannables and priorities in weekends.
Hi
I was currently in training for the first two weeks prior to the strike. I just saw that I am paying union fees already. I was told by friend who works for Canada post that I can join the picket line. I just don’t know where I am suppose to picket since I was in training . Can someone guide me to where ? Union hasn’t msg me either
You should contact your local union office! Everyone that pickets for 4 hours will receive $56.20/day for a max of 5 days per week. Contact your local union office for more info though – they will be able to give you all the info. The corp will not help with this info.
According to CUPW we will deliver important mail like social economic cheques… so when can we go back to work to deliver to cheques on our routes?
I wish I could just go to work tomorrow.
They went out today but you may have missed the sign up m. Next month I guess if you are still interested.
It’s CUPW’s fault for delaying talks, if you look at recent bulletin it’s all about RSMC’S, is this all were doing. ? Everything for RSMC’S..? We’re the majority and we should all be questioning why over 3 negotiations for less than 7000 members get priority over us. Canada Post is not the problem, CUPW is by screwing us constantly with lies
Yeah, according to the national agreement, CUPW is required to provide the volunteers. They taking credit in the media for delivery yet right across the country lack of volunteers means that tons of actual “hard-done-by” people won’t get their cheques today. Well done union!
Hey man!
Stop with negativity.
Our local allowed us to deliver. There were lots of volunteers to sort and deliver.
It’s actually great seeing that the CPC and CUPW agree on some things.
Hopefully, we can get all the government cheques out today.
The Canada Post network is part of this country’s national infrastructure. The pandemic proved this in spades. No other Federal entity directly engages with more Canadians on a daily basis than CP. And yet, The Government Of Canada refuses to provide the support needed to ensure that CP can carry out its government directed mandate without exploiting new hires and front line employees. SHAME!
Government support will be coming, but may not be what you want. CPC’s mandates will be changed so they can get out of the last-mile delivery business in urban centres in favour of privatization. What will it look like? There will be no urban LCs, and smaller urban depots will close and their real estates sold off. That’s the sustainable future long set in motion from previous management’s incompetence and hastened by CUPW’s antagonistic stance and unrealistic demands.
🍻👏 Exactly.
I already delivered a bunch of government cheques today in cooperation with CUPW EXECUTIVES and Canada Post Executives.
Thanks CUPW and Canada Post for doing something right.
As a long time employee of CPC I feel completely abandoned by the Federal Government.
Governments of both stripes have long used the “arms length” talking point to relieve themselves of the responsibility of proper oversight of this Federal Institution. This is ultimately a governance issue.
Secondly, I do not doubt that there are elements in government and CPC looking to divest of real estate holdings for a one time hit; isn’t that what SSD is really about?
I thought your battle cry was for no government intervention? The reason for half of the issues are because they interfered with Postal Transformation back in 2013
I am not talking about government intervention in collective bargaining, I am talking about government oversight of the corporation! Don’t you think the government of the day should be engaged in ensuring that the executives it appoints and the managers that carry out policies of their behalf are competent? The Government of Canada is the soul shareholder of CPC and it is the lack of a coherent vision of what CPC should be by The Government, both Liberal and Conservative, that has
led to this crisis.
Canada Post is a Federal Institution whether you like it or not and the government of the day should be engaged in the governance of that institution to safeguard against mismanagement!
CPC is tasked with providing all Canadians with a service and make profit. Why? Does Parks Canada make a profit? What other Federal Institution has paid taxes and provided The Government of Canada with a dividend?
Well Put!!!!!
I agree 👍.
The pandemic proved to other companies that there was lots of meat on the bone. That was the beginning of the end. Companies like UPS realized that they could deliver to retail and business all day and then use the same vehicles at night to deliver to homes. Way more efficient use of vehicles and delivering in the evening there is less issue with safe dropping, because people are home. None of you would ever agree to work with heavy boxes to strip malls and none of you would like to work after dark either. So here we are…By the way, you don’t want the government to get involved, as has been made abundantly clear by your members. Unless they don’t really have the voice of the members, which is more than likely, given the weak strike mandate, unofficially at 95%, but we all know the truth there.
I like the first part of your analysis, Last Part Not so much If you incentive the workforce Much can be accomplished. UPS workers make way more then CP workers. But they work Much Harder, and as / your example UPS uses Capital much more efficiently. Maybe We can compare CP to Via rail more Apples to Apples.
An interesting article from CTV News this morning, esp. for those financial crises deniers: https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/they-squandered-10-years-of-opportunity-canada-post-strike-exposes-longtime-problems-expert-says-1.7116702
If nothing else, the last part, from Ian Lee, associate professor at Carleton University’s Sprott School of Business, should be heeded: Lee predicts that the next government, regardless of who wins the next federal election, will impose drastic changes at Canada Post.
“I am predicting there will be very large downsizing, very large layoffs,” Lee said. “Canada Post is unsustainable as it’s now presently structured.”
It has to happen otherwise tax payers money will be used to pay for CPC employees salary.
You mean for the Essential service that CPC employees provide.
What is CPC providing that other courier cannot provide?
Mail.
Weekend deliveries and cheaper rates for local businesses.
Really-essential?
True. I don’t see other courier refusing mail if you go and pay for it. Fees will be higher but they will still ship it. Is CPC really essential? Nothing separate CPC from other courier.
Money, Finances, Always rules in the End.
What shocks me is Lee’s assessment that cpc needed to change 10 years ago. Well… that’s what postal transformation was all about 15 years ago and pt 2.0 in 2011 2012. And cpc was fully aware in the decline of letter mail then and begin openly announcing the business shift from letter mail to parcels. And they were successful. So how these managers and the current ceo put this company $3 billion in debt is a mystery. It wasn’t happening under Chopra. My only conclusion is the ceo and cpc management are attempting to pull off a gordan gecko.
It would be nice if Canada Post hired actual postal workers to run the company, not a bunch of over entitled educated greedy businessmen who are trying to liquidate the corporation.
It’s not us postal workers fault, we don’t make the decisions. We try to give our input on how to improve Canada Post’s business but it always fall on deaf ears.
We are so behind in the technology, marketing and sales of services and goods. We should have developed our own banking service and e-commerce division at least 14 years ago before some genius decided to sell Innovapost and our other tech division.
Hopefully, the government is smart enough to make the corporate 🤡 clowns 🤡 in Ottawa and Gatineau step down soon.
Knowing how to sort and deliver does not make you capable of running a company. I know you have all of the answers down there in the trenches, but do you really think you could last a week in those roles. Like Kramer who just shows up to an office job…” It’s almost like you have no business training ing at all”…
Look before judging anyone, before Canada Post, I worked in marketing for over 10 yrs.
I also run a business on the side.
I ought to know some things about operating a business.
Working Canada Post is a side gig for me and it’s one I enjoy.
I talk to other postal workers who are extremely smart and have many brilliant ideas on how to turn the corporation around.
Unfortunately, we get lots of pushback by arrogant haughty management types who look down at us for being postal workers.
Anyways, I hope you enjoyed your big bonus. It will be the last one you get since you’ll be looking in the job banks for a new soon. 🍻
Lee has been saying the exact same thing for 20+ years
Objectively Whats going to Happen Is the Industrial relations Board will Order Binding Arbitration, CUPW will Spend Millions Fighting in Court maybe win…..Then All the government does is Change a few words in the Law and we are at square one Again. CUPW is out millions…..
CUPW never wins, over 30+ years of failed negotiations. If you see the last issued notice it talks about the RSMC’S, nothing about us, the national is corrupt with RSMC’s and in turn has made them the focus of negotiations which makes this strike useless for everyone else. They will lose like usual, useless union and claim victory for RSMC’S while we get bread crumbs for a raise.. CUPW you corrupt bunch of uneducated clowns, all you executives should step down for this act upon the majority of the membership.. Union spends millions of our money so they don’t care what they spend, as they will raise our dues again for being unsuccessful again
The union will probably try to recoup the dues we’re not currently paying as well.
Well they better cut spending on trips to Cuba and National committees and conferences to help the socially marginalized.
No more free vacations.
Another few months on the line and CPC will break. Stay strong!
35 years ago PO5s were getting 14 cents/hr. more than a PO4. Now the wages have more than doubled but the PO5 is still getting that 14 cents and it’s not even on the table. CUPW is negotiating the RSMC issues who joined the union yesterday.
What I don’t understand is, nobody really cares what the upper management makes, including the government, as long as everyone is relatively happy getting a raise and work is being done. Why do we need to be in the news.? Why does this company pick a fight, weekly with its employees? Why do we need a ‘major overhaul of working conditions and more temps and part-timers? Our workforce has been slowly shrinking for years through attrition. And that’s fine. If they want to give themselves a raise go for it I don’t care. Just be a little smarter and realize that everyone should get one….And nobody is buying that we are sinking. Pension is well funded, and $10b in revenue is healthy, just stop spending so big and so fast. 18% raise over 4 hrs, don’t touch the pension or benefits for new hires, union needs to allow more part time on weekend delivery, and less OT. The company needs to stop playing games with new hires forcing them to stay in lower pay brackets. I have no issue with the graduated pay, it’s normal in any line of work, you don’t get top dollar day one. Just my thoughts
Its not healthy though. The fixed costs of corporate PO locations staffed by a people who don’t generate much money is a problem. Delivering to far flung outposts is a problem and paying OT to people who finish early is a problem. Nobody is paying themselves and getting more than they can get anywhere else. None of those people are getting rich here. You talk about the concessions of part time and reduced OT, but the union will not allow it. They are the problem in this situation
New hires will be DC pension, the company will die on that hill ass APOC and PSAC both have been DC for the last 2 contracts.
Ans unions seems to be willing to die on SSD reversal.
You are wrong there. APOC losted DB back in 2015. Anyone after that is on DC and CUPW is next.
PSAC is DC, not DB
Nerves shattered. Anxiety at an all time high. Stress levels that can’t be measured. Fears uncertainty and concerns you can’t even imagine. These are just some of the emotional distresses that prevent cupw cpc and mediators from sleeping. Keep up the good work.
I for one have enjoyed not delivering 16 sets of junk to each house the past few days. Highest injury rate in Canada! But of course every meeting from our genius supervisors is an opportunity to blame us for the injury.
Enough with the 16 sets. We both know you are exaggerating about the one time it happened. Under 6 is likely your average. Without them your satchel is barren, like your hopes for a quick settlement.
Not sure where you work, but 16 is the norm in Toronto. And many of them are not thin pizza flyers, they are large, heavy community magazines. Give your head a shake
You’ve never been in a depot then
In Abbotsford around 15
In maple ridge closer to 20
Well, I am sure that “problem” has gone away for good this time. “Hey, look how cheap it is to use digital and cool Instagram posts”…”The cost of print and postage is not worth it anymore, but I was stuck in my ways. Now I see there are better options, I can use that money for other things.”
This is what you want I guess? This is what you will be getting now
lol, no it’s not, who else can deliver to every house that cheap. It’s only getting more lucrative, and the company knows it. I used to have about 5 flyers a week, now it’s 8 a day on a slow day, 16 during this season.
Wait till you go back what your route will look like the 2nd back, fliers and mail for days.. The plants are completely full of mail. I remember when PT came into effect people didn’t come in for 2 weeks because the routes were so bad.. Now with SSD it will be worse..
Have to roll out CMBs to fix that problem.
The quality of your thinking determines the quality of your Life
There’s always jobs inside! If it’s too hard being a LC! At least you’re not dealing with the crappy weather,all the flyers,etc! But you do have to work weekends and maybe not get dayshift(depending on your seniority) We all have to make sacrifices
We all have to make sacrifices, that’s what they keep telling you and so you believe it. How much have the CEO, VPs, Directors, Managers, Superintendents sacrificed? I’m willing to take the same hit.
Pay bands have been frozen for 10 years! The entire corporation is underpaid, not just CUPW.
To clarify we all have to make sacrifices it’s like this…Us inside workers have to do weekends so if it’s too hard to LC which I wouldn’t do if you paid me double especially the weather,dogs etc and broken down bodies…well I see a lot complaining people don’t want to work weekends…then sacrifice like us inside workers and do weekends if LC is too hard…and FYI! Cpc needs to trim fat from the top and CUPW needs to get out of the 80s/90s both sides just as bad as the other IMO
I love some of the experts here and in the media that say we are not as relevant as we used to be. Just think, companies cannot advertise to every house right now, because we deliver for them. The best and cheapest way. You do not get a piece of mail because we deliver them. Every person in this country is affected. We are very relevant. When the government wants to communicate with you they send you correspondence by mail, whether it be the local, provincial or federal government. When there are changes and issues with infrastructure near your home it is communicated by mail. ONLY we deliver that. Let’s just see how this week goes. Some smartass will respond ‘I don’t get mail or want flyers so I have no need for Canada Post’, but that is not majority of Canadians. Especially as you move farther from the big cities. And it will be very apparent by the end of this week. I say a deal will be struck and we will be back to work by next Wednesday just in time for everyone to benefit from our services.
It’s a neat trick isn’t it? Lol. Oh, also, the amount of news reports that have companies crying about how this will affect them, how charities send out and receive a ton of mail at this time of year and how mail accounts for a huge part of there yearly donations, and how the entire rural population have no other options. Totally irrelevant……
I’m more pessimistic CUPW won’t agree on anything
Sorry by deal I mean that CUPW will also need to concede, probably less of a raise, but they will hold onto pensions for new hires and status quo for the other things…until next time of course. SSD is here, but it just needs some tweaks. Dynamic routing will be the next fight down the road.
I don’t know about y’all but I didn’t sign up to join a social justice pseudo political party nor fund it. I was under the belief the union is for postal worker and things related to postal ops. Why has the union taken on all these feel good social causes that divides the membership.
We need a union that focuses on postal ops and nothing else.
BINGO!
That’s why we need to find a way to decertify them and bring in a different union.
Exactly, couldn’t agree more!
Good article in the Globe and Mail. The media is starting to dig and find out what this company is all about. Part time, casual, we’ll call you when we need you, no benefits workforce. Stellar example for a Crown corporation.
CUPW demands for FAIR wages. Why don’t they start by collecting fair union dues for part time and casuals. Where is justice?
Umm not sure of your point here considering CUPW already gets approx. 80 million a year already by collecting dues from full timers etc.
Part time and casuals don’t get the benifits, vaca, personal days, pension, etc etc etc you all enjoy (to my knowledge) so I would suggest you focus on more important matters. Just a thought.
Meanwhile you all get to hammer that overtime and head home at 1 pm
Interesting how the hard working and most efficient employees are offers and willing to work even harder and longer and more efficiently to get the work done that needs to be done.
Just an FYI the company created the environment we are in! It’s up to them to fix it! Don’t point fingers at the backbone of the company.
They are attempting to fix it. They are unable to because of your handlers inability to grasp reality
What’s really p#$$es me off is knowing that the people who complain the most about wages, benefits, pensions, health and safety are the ones not showing up for picket duty.
They are the ones who have the most to gain, but they have the nerve to not support the rest of us workers who are picketing.
When we all get back to work remember the people who sat out on picket duty. The next time they complain, ask them where were they when their fellow coworkers stood outside in the cold and rain day after day picketing in defiance of the terrible collective agreement the CPC had offer us.
Maybe busy working so they don’t end up homeless and so their kids do not starve. $56 bucks ain’t much.
Busy working as an UBER or DoorDash driver?
Didn’t the union warned everyone to start saving up over six months ago?
Unlike, some people I listened.
I have another job, but I still managed to take the time to stand outside for picket duty everyday.
Plus, I am not rich.
I have kids and take care of my elderly parents.
Good for you!!! Way to go!!!
Yes great job thx for solidarity
Do you really think standing in the cold, with signs is making a difference?? They’ve been in negotiations for a year! How about CUPW get serious and negotiate a deal already!
Yes, it does.
Why does it matter to you if they do or don’t?
You already made it clear you have another job to keep a roof over your head and feed your starving kids.
By mass picketing, we are sending a strong message to Canada Post that we as workers stand in solidarity and can’t be pushed around. With media covering the strike and so many workers showing up to picket, it shows the public how dedicated we are for our cause.Also, we are rallying in support for negotiators to get this deal done.
Even if we do get back to work, you will probably be the first to complain that CPC and CUPW didn’t negotiate everything you wanted.
Good luck going back to work without being snubbed by fellow coworkers.
Good luck, CUPW likes us to suffer and then they will blame CP for their failures.. This is why we don’t need them, we need to remove them all..
Lol 56 bucks a day… what a joke
It’s not just about the $56 day.
It’s about supporting the fight for our jobs.
You obviously don’t understand about the pride we as postal workers take in working hard and serving out communities across Canada.
Should the two tier wage folk come out?
I would say no. National isn’t even trying to right this wrong but hey social justice takes priority.
Enjoy h0lDinG tHe LiNe blow that whistle boy
You can speak like that if the ones that are not at the picket line, were not paying their dues. I pay may dues, I don’t need to go picket, I expect that the ones that are taking my money away to do the the job they are getting paid to do.
Yes! Only union execs and reps should picket. But they are too busy “working”
You can complain about the union all you want. In the end of the day they at least went out to negotiate for your best interests.
It’s not just about paying dues to allow others fight against the corporation.
It’s includes being a team player and showing support for your fellow coworkers.
If you don’t want to picket it’s your choice, but when we get back to work you have to face your coworkers who did picket.
Good luck in getting any positive response from them for your actions.
I believe that would be called harassment.
Completely agree it would be harassment. How dare anyone think they can be “the judge or jury” for your personal choice. If u choose to picket for 56 dollars a day your choice. Others have a LOT more they need to make per day to save their house feed their family so this dang “ra ra” rant to picket is ludicrous. Grow up. Everyone has their own situation. Let the union do their job properly. No one should be “loosely” threatened or harrassed when we all get back to work. We are all colleagues who just want respect and work
When the union cares more about social justice and other causes than the actual members who pay their wages it is a big problem.
CUPW has been doing everything but representing us members. They gotta go.
Really hope that negotiations shenanigans can stop soon, and we can go to work by the end of the week. Kinda crazy how the needed 1 year a strike and financial loss to settle down issues.
Watching the negotiations go on not gonna mention where……niagara falls crown plaza hotel the sweat coming from cupw and cpc executives is greater then the falls. You know where the exits are executives if you can’t handle the pressure. The workers are loving it.
If you read the letter regarding negotiations from CUPW they mentioned addressing the issues for RSMC’S… What about us the 50k+ members getting screwed because the union Negotiating for RSMC’S and not us.. We don’t stand for them..
You misread, monday=CUPW in general and RSMC’S= tuesday in bulk.
I did not see that. Where did you read it?
Just like last time, giving priority to the subcontractors… what about common sense??
LC’ s really really need our own union again. This sham of a 55000 strong is showing how cpc is getting their own way by pitting everyone (LCs, clerks,po4,cleaners,North Korea post , Cuban tourism board,new hires,old hires,truck drivers, fresh air inspectors etc etc) against each other
Exactly, and don’t expect common sense from these Tyrants at CUPW. Bunch of sellouts for less than 4000 RSMC’s over the 50k+ of us.. Their negotiations should not be mixed with ours..
Such entitlement from the carriers. Now they want their own union, their own rules, their autonomy and the freedom to dictate their work process. Sounds like you might be ready to go into business for yourself. You have it all figured out.
Not the case.
We are trying to cooperate with the corporate executives in good faith in making Canada
Post viable and stop the losses.
Dude, you are giving priority to employees who have yet to be hired! Going through this process for new employees…that is ridiculous.
Black Friday is a pressure point, I can see CP getting phone calls from From Ottawa, All the business groups are sounding Louder. How Much is all this going to Cost CP……They have No choice but to settle. I just Don’t know where the Order to settle will come from.
They won’t settle, the government will order us back just like in 2018 before Black Friday and Cyber Monday.. Then it will go to arbitration and we’ll be screwed again
Exactly!!
It’s not a pressure point-black Friday is done for Cp this year. Companies that rely on us gave already signed on with other carriers to safeguard their customers. By your union striking each and every time in the Christmas season to get what you want, actually just ends up hurting you more. Just a steady decline in customers since your 2018 charade with rotating strikes. You drink your union coolaid too much and not using any common sense.
Agree strange they dealt with the smaller membership RSMC first.
I told them why they mixing our negotiations with RSMC’s again..?They want the RSMC’S to have same benefits as us, at what expense..? At our expense of getting a real raise and better benefits, be proud CUPW you screwed the members again, and you’ll be decertified for that costly mistake.
Apparently the union membership voted in favour of combining the RSMC with urban last year.
Unfortunately, it was a big mistake. CUPW executives were making up a bunch of lies to get people to vote in favour of joining urban with RSMC together in order to save them time and energy to negotiate on both separately.
RSMCs are just riding our coat tails to get what we got after decades of strikes and fighting. Now they are using 50,000 of us for their benefit. CUPW should not have members that have so different issues and have nothing in common.
RSMC should have their own union. LC should have their own union they did before! Stop this madness.
Why should one group get screwed over for another.
And stop pushing corporate vehicles for rsmc. They knew what they were getting into when they applied. Let it go!
they are going in alphabetical order
sincerely signed by an RSMC
No. Get your own vehicles.
obviously a joke 🙄…I do, i have no interested in a corporate
interest
Try reading to the end next time
rsmc’s posted up in a hunting tent with a propane heater today on the picket line. standing or walking for four hours is out of the question for those who can do their whole job while seated in their own personal vehicle. it is absurd that they are in the same union as letter carriers.
Canada Post does not like 5 day delivery . They want either a 3 day delivery or a 7 day delivery. Go figure.
If you can’t have 5 days then make it a 7 days delivery. Better more than nothing which is what’s happening now as we are on STRIKE.
The people most affected by this strike are the customers as well as us as postal workers. Not only are we employees, we are customers too. It’s like the CPC and CUPW executives forget that.
The longer we strike the longer we all suffer, except the CPC executives and management who get to enjoy their bonuses they received.
The corporation is a failure, but they gift themselves bonuses for good performances. If their performances are so excellent, why is the CPC failing? Stop burdening us workers for your own failures. We didn’t cause this.
On top of that, everyone seems to think the federal government is going to bail us out by throwing money at the CPC. It’s not going to happen since we are a Crown corporation that is self sufficient and runs on the money from the limited services we provided. Plus, the federal government has been running a deficit of $39.8 billion for the past 17 years regardless of political party in power.
Anyhow, it’s really hard not being able to work and service our customers knowing we have to fight for fair wages, benefits and safety in the workplace. It feels like we are being held hostage by the decisions of a few people who are playing with our lives.
I really want this fight to be over so I can go back to a job I enjoy.
One nice thing about this strike is that I get to know all my picketing fellow workers better.
There have been consistently at least 50+ people picketing every morning at the Vancouver Depot. I am proud to stand together with such an awesome 😎 group of people who I think of as my brothers and sisters.
Thank you to all the hardworking postal workers for showing up everyday to picket. You have made this horrible disruption a little less miserable
Glad you are bonding over burning pallets and donated coffee. Nobody gets to gift themselves bonus money, so stop embarrassing yourself with the uninformed chatter. Your union leaders have led you down this path, no one else wants to be here. If you think a delivery job is unsafe these days then maybe move into a different position. Lots of opportunities that nobody takes, because they only have these complaints when the contract expires. I bet you didn’t vote to be outside today…Did you meet anyone else who actually voted? I bet you didn’t
I did and happy to do it again.
Plus, not everyone’s coffee was donated.
We brought are own.
Why are you jealous you can’t join in?
CPC managent goes which ever way the wind blows!
Good update by CUPW. This is what we need. We won’t get everything asked for but me thinks the government is not happy with CPC. Behind the scenes they will help them to make a fair offer that we can accept
What is a good offer? Lowering was percentages over the 4 years over ghendar affirmation??
We would need to see more details but I agree. I don’t think the govt is happy with cpc and the fiasco they and only they fully and solely of their own ineptitude have created.
That’s what someone in CUPW would say. You are in a special union, one that only takes, with no sense of urgency toward helping fix anything. How about a little common sense? You rubes will never yield, as it goes against your very core principles. You would try to organize a rally on the Titanic if you didn’t feel like you got the same rations and pay as the Captain. You can read up on how that ending by the light of the burn barrel.
Third attempt to respond as Im not afforded the same luxury of berating others as you are. . In what universe should we help fix anything your overlords ineptitude created? When they needed us we were there now that the bill is due crying the blues all of a sudden. Do me a favour..
Well, because no change can happen without loosening the union shackles. You are all heroes…signing up for bottomless overtime and no contact delivery for a year and a half. Nobody else in this company is wading up to the “All you can raise and benefits buffet”. Time to order off the a’la carte menu for once. You don’t get everything you want anymore. Notice how businesses are still managing without you? It’s almost like we are less relevant. That’s why we need change.
Interesting, yet last round CUPW easily and quickly agreed to an extension. So quickly in fact, that many of the members were questioning their motives.
I think theres a good probability this will be the last contract.
You already have more than most and you think what you are asking for is fair? Take your skills and get more by leaving Canada Post if you think things are so unfair. No one ever does, hotel California.
I think there’s a good probability you need a hobby.
As a CP worker im so ashamed of what we have done to fellow Canadians. Lo there is no one on the picket lines and people are shouting at us from cars to get back to work
Nothing to be ashamed for fighting the good fight for what we deserve.
Thank you for showing up to picket.
This is the kind of money we are making. Can’t live without a pay cheque even for couple of months. literally living hand to mouth. Something is wrong.
Blame CPC executives and CUPW executives in Ottawa.
Why do you think most have two jobs? No matter what some out here would try to have us believe the money is no where near enough. But instead of quitting as they would love, we work even harder than the average person here or anywhere for that matter. In my book if you work youre good and NOTHING to be ashamed of. Educated or not. Unlike the fat cats and their almighty education screwing everyone over
If Canada Post is losing billions since 2018, it means that their executives responsible are failures. Why don’t they fire them? Why do they still get 6-figure pay and hefty bonuses when the company is losing $$$?
I agree, any normal company would have trimmed mgmt along time ago. The government needs to appoint someone to come in a gut the upper levels of Canada Post. Its embarrassing for corporation to be run this way and to be losing money like this with one terrible idea after another. I can think of many things of the top of my head this corporation could do to run leaner and be more profitable.
like?
They don’t really have any ideas. They think they can run a company better than the executives, because they are fast and efficient on their routes. Never mind the fact that the company has to run according to several mandates that nobody else would touch, given the choice.
Why aren’t you using your name. This post is a plant by the management. And can you tell us what had the management done to curve the loss
How about trimming the number of supervisors to start. Depots used to run with less than half the amount we have now, and there are way less carriers now compared to many years ago
Alternate day mail delivery, part time weekend delivery (reduce full time routes), flyers are planned out 3 days ahead, letter carries sort and load level 2 walks on alternating days, reduce mgmt by 50% or more, elimate lc’s and plant workers through attrition or retirement (Buyouts) by 50%, proper pay and treat employees with respect so workers take pride in their job.
How about no!
“We are 55,000 strong, and together, we are unstoppable.”
We are unstoppable. That is some woke statement right there…
Specially when this 55,00 is fighting for 5,000 RSMCs.
Everyone on here is so worried about christmas and how it will affect getting gifts for their loved ones. Seriously people, there are far more important things about christmas than just a couple of a gifts. How about the fact that this is causing a massive disruption to everyone involved?
So what? You can’t buy all the gifts you want to this year? How materialistic of you. Why not think about the larger picture? These gifts you’re so worried about aren’t going to pay your bills in an economy that living affordability is almost non existent. How about paying rent, mortgages, buying groceries, paying bills?
I’d rather be able to afford to pay for all of that and have my cell phone service to be able to call little Timmy christmas morning rather than sending him that $100 gift card like planned.
It’s hard to support your fellow employees in this situation when so many of them are worried that this is going to cut into the amount of gifts they can buy this year.
Hey, everyone is talking about delivering gifts and cards genius not buying extreme amounts for personal use. You know, Canada post delivers Christmas. Holy moly
Most people are subjective thinkers, They can only think of things as it relates to them.
Objective thinkers are like a drone looking down from high above seeing the big picture.
Want to think about the bigger picture? CPC won’t have any volume left if this strike continues. Do you want the govt to use tax payers money to pay CPC employees and have to cut benefits?
If we go down they go down. Enough with all the drama. THEY did this! Why tell Amazon we can’t handle your volume. What kind ofindividual would say that when you built a plant in scarborough right beside amazon
Amazon has their own delivery system in all the big cities. They are taking advantage of CPC for the last mile delivery.
Tens of thousand of first class letters mailed by elections b.c. were returned to sender (that’s what they told employees) undelivered because they could not deliver them. Then cry about not getting enough letter mail.
Our demands are fair. And please note the word “demands”!!! You wanted fight CPC — YOU GOT IT!
I’m not sacrificing my future years here to cave to this companies ridiculous demands. The union warned us 6 months ago to put some money aside because they could see this company’s attitude. I for one can handle a lost paycheque or two, to hold onto the work schedule that I have. No dynamic routing and no weekends for me. Sorry I have family and life outside of this train wreck
Leave and you will see whether it was better outside. Grass is not always greener.
Yes, the executive should leave. Let’s see if they can survive at a job that requires accountability! Account for the 3 billion dollars deficit in the last 6 years!
I already found another job. I never agreed to the strike, and I don’t want to be labeled as someone who doesn’t care about other Canadians. The truth is that there are many rotten apples at CP who are lazy, while some of us do the work. It is really sad that 55,000 people believe the cupw wants the best for them. They just want to increase their dues so they can make more money of our backs.
I respectfully disagree with you on “that 55,000 people believe the cupw wants the best for them”. What is truely sad is the majority of the members’ needs and wishes are being hijacked by a minority ‘Labour Movement’ zealots in their battles to win in ‘their’ class struggles.
Well said.
Just remember that some of these proposals are just the beginning. It’s not fair to change the job on people that have worked here to force them to work weekends and change their schedules, while the people up are unaffected. When Covid hit all the big wigs worked from home, while LCs with kids had to struggle to even find somewhere to keep their kids safe and juggle the job. Now this company wants to just take your normal job and introduce dynamic routing and weekend work…That’s why we are not coming into work. And we will make sure everything is at a standstill for as long as possible, until this greedy company spending like an irresponsible child backs off this nonsense.
Hahaha your take on things is ABSURD! Your level of education is really showing here. I hope you’ve done better teaching your covid kids the way the world REALLY works.
BooHoo how dare your employer change your M-F cushy schedule because of business needs.
Do you know any nurses, teachers, bus drivers, hydro workers or firefighters? Just to make a few! Ask them what their schedules are like? Your comment of anything just goes to show exactly what is wrong with the CUPW mentality and it’s army of entitled LC’s.
A lot of the workers you just mentioned have unions that have negotiated wages and working conditions. Why can’t cupw members have the same thing?
Why is it that nobody has said that the inside workers work weekends. They have for the entire time (25+ years) that I have been there. You don’t see them crying. They too have families.
Exactly! Thanks for pointing out the obvious. There are plenty of part timers and temps eager to get more hours from those who don’t or can’t work weekends. Letter carriers / delivery agents are in front line customer service operations just like retails, restaurants and public transportation where services to customers are needed weekdays and weekends. Please get on with the times, CUPW and LCs, instead of sinking the ship for everyone.
Yes, many of them getting split RDOs.
That kind of mentality is dragging CPC down. Decertify CUPW!
We have to decertify CUPW, we will never get a fair contract with these go to the bar during hours clowns. They took the weekend off from negotiating to rest because they’re so tired they actually had to work. Boohoo CUPW we really feel for you lazy tyrants while we stand in the cold picketing, the only solidarity you want is from our union dues that you carelessly spend on trips and parties while we actually work to provide for our families and pay our bills. Bunch of highschool rejects in CUPW
Man, how many times can you post the same comment! Don’t you have to do supervisor stuff, or are you bored already?
If CPC cared about anything but their bloated salaries they would have taken this negotiation round seriously. This is not out of character, that they stall until legally challenged or drag issues out for years. The truth is they don’t care about the small businesses that rely on them and the certainly don’t care about their workers. All they care about is some of the really big companies that they try to cater to. Hence why the constantly bend to Canadian Tire for two day delivery of their flyers, rather than follow the model provided to all other companies, which is three day delivery. What an embarrassment this company is
Which by the way used to be a 5 day delivery at 5 cents a piece the way they send them now unfolded. Started out as a MOA between the company and union. Now it is permanent procedure. One more step backwards for the LCs. Then they took away all the relay boxes to save a dollar here and there. It is no wonder we have the highest injury rate of all occupations.
how bout bring back punch cards and pay for time worked .no more home by noon with 8 hrs pay lol
What does it matter? The routes are built to 8 hrs, down to the number of steps each point of call takes. Penalize ppl for being productive, what a concept.
But many finish their 8 hour route in 4 hours and then pick up ot and ot and work it while still being paid for the first 8. I don’t agree with this.
It’s either that, and holding workers at CP because it always many not to have 2nd jobs, or you can give splits to temps and many still bring splits back just to be recycled the next day…
Again, the routes are all measured to 8hrs. If the carrier isn’t taking breaks, delivering faster than others and finding efficiencies, why should they be penalized?
This is exactly why you have ssd. Runners like this. No breaks, straight through, no line of route, early starts, and “efficiencies “. No company would tolerate 4 hours work for 8 hours pay. They’ll find ways to give you more. Wake up!
Because that’s the CPC management way! Punish those who work with more work (they’ve got to make their numbers somehow), ignore the lazy that don’t. Then blame the union when they’re not competent enough to properly fire the lazy.
Routes are designed for 8 hours, and most of us finish in 8 hours when volumes are high… so if volumes aren’t high and we are finishing under 8 hours is that the workers fault, or is rather from the company that isn’t able to give us more work?… So how do you fix this issue? Either you put random scheduled SLB clearances at the end of the shift so that the worker stays sitting in his truck for 2 or 3 hours without doing anything, make routes longer, like switching all routes to SSD, or the company has to get professional business people that are able to get more business for CP so workers can get their 8hours covered by actually working and not sitting around.
If this upsets you, maybe you shouldn’t have crossed over to APOC lol
Whats going to hurt us all the Most is Christmas cards, They cost around 2 cents to process and the rest goes to the bottom line….
That dentist bill really sucked yesterday as did the prescription. Bitter CUPW employees will return eventually. Did you add that to the equation CPC? What’s the cost of that going to be I wonder?
Who in their right mind who use Canada Post banking services with labor disruptions every 3-4 years? And this nonsense go get a loan…uh huh…not every bank is going to be that easy to get loans from especially if you’re not working🙄Both sides need to be ashamed of themselves causing this hardship.My kids are grown but all those little ones at Christmas it just makes me sad to think what Santa can’t bring them🎅while the two scrooges fight this out SHAME ON ALL OF YOU😡
?…..instant teller machines….I only go to my branch 2x year
Depends, many families actually teach their kids that Santa is not real.
UPS does inventory management for retailers. Why can’t CP do delivery management for customers. For a fee you can hold all your parcels and have them delivered on the weekend.
I have noticed a steep drop off on some of my High volume parcel customers why because of the do not safe drop. I leave 2 parcels and take one to the RPO for pick-up……
There are solutions but Ottawa only wants the low hanging fruit, the race to the bottom.
The sender selected Do not Safe Drop, that isn’t an Ottawa thing.
why is it an option then, without a charge i’m guessing and if its carded costs $1.50 or more. Same as a signature without the charge.
Weekend Delivery
CP likes it because it lowers the average wage
CUPW likes it because more workers more dues.
Will it cut the company losses, With the increased cost offset by extra revenue?
Cupw is right to want postal banking heres why who can borrow money the cheapest The government (even cheaper then banks our competition). then lend it out viola profit….Higher average wage
Then Lend it out
No, people like you want it so you can get the RDO double overtime.
Let’s be honest.
Many part timers and casual have other jobs since they can’t get full time or more hours from Canada Post. They work where they can get the hours to pay for their bills just like full timers.
However, it’s some greedy full timer who can’t do the job in 8 hours that wants the overtime pay.
Even if they can do the job, they want to be paid 8 hours for 5 hours of work while at the same time accept overtime which they will finish within the 8 hours of their scheduled shift.
Their defense is their time value.
If their time value is so important, why don’t they just take the time to do their jobs properly without rushing and prevent the chance of injuries to occur.
The only time I worked overtime was during covid because if I didn’t there was 200 parcels to deliver on Monday and No overtime.
They stopped the loan program with conjunction with TD since the system was getting hacked.
Plus, people were have problems accessing their accounts.
Really, Interesting. Now we have a new Partner which isn’t a bank yet.
The union is to stubborn with a very old mentality
CP can be very competitive actually the best in the segment BUT there are to many slackers, very lazy employees that just want to suck the system as much as possible with zero appreciation to what they have unfortunately. Work, get the job done and you’ll have leverage to negotiate. On the other hand, you got the company that cheaps on everything especially work tools.
Exactly.
They cheap out on the workers, but give big bonuses to executives and managers (ie., 22VPs , 10 board of directors,~3000 managers, regional directors, supervisors and so on.)
Why give out bonuses if you claim Canada Post lost $5 billion?
Stop rewarding incompetence!
Management’s pay bands have been frozen for 10 years and we don’t get paid for working overtime at all – nothing extra after 7.5 hours or on weekends. The “bonuses” are incentives given to the workers based on individual performance. Plus we don’t have any job protection like our unionized colleagues.
Just for non-union member information, CPC managers are probably some of the lowest paid in the industry. Salary band frozen for 10 years = 1 to 2% raises a year and we lost the company bonus because we don’t have any profits. When you talk salaries please keep managers out of the equation.
Ah yes, the complaining about the bonus money…The battle cry of the uninformed and a true mark of someone without a point to make.
I’m for cutting down the number in management and using that money to give the rest raises and incentive bonuses…
What incentive do you want a bonus for? You don’t sell new business, influence safe work, expand product lines usage or increase productivity or efficiency. You chose to stay on the bottom rung of the ladder where you get paid to move mail. Do something bigger if you want a bonus position. Complaining about bonus for targets is like complaining about you working a 4 hour day, as in it’s not a legit argument.
You want more money? Job measurements is the key. There is no way to gauge what an employee does during the day. At the plant, the supervisors standing around and watching them doing the job for more than 3 minutes… the shop stewards already called that is “job measurement”… come on guys. The world won’t spin around you.
I agree with this 1000 percent
In the plant Leo Blanchette so many lazy people that take bathroom breaks every 5 minutes and will not help a colleague, they just stay in there spot the 8 hrs where it should take about 2 to 3 hrs to finish, but unfortunately the bosses don’t say a thing. If we the employees notice all the lazy people how can the bosses not notice…
Oh, the boss notices, but their hands are tied. CUPW protects them when they file grievances after grievances. We’ll have have a better workplace when the union allows the corporation to fire these lazy people.
Unfortunate reality is that the Feds HAVE to step in ASAP
They NEEED to give us binding arbitration due to the collective stubbornness on BOTH parties-guys, they have been negotiating for a YEAR ! with no or very little headway
We need to stop banging our collective heads and get back to work ASAP
I appreciate the CUPW advocacy , but to see if you have the backing of the MEMBERSHIP we need to vote on EVERY contract offer- let the NEB present us with an offer, tell us if they SUGGEST we take it, then let the MEMBERSHIP decide for themselves
Never been a fan of a tiny amount of people ( NEB) making decisions for 55000 members!
First of all there should be a 50% turnout of the membership in order to validate any strike vote. Then you should also have at minimum 2/3 majority of that to declare a strike, otherwise no srtike vote should be approved. What were the exact vote turnout numbers of the strike vote please.
Members have been fired and cold. Where is CUPW?
Haven’t heard of a single person being fired during the strike. Please post a link to your source…. Thanks!
Literally on cupw own site go check
Still available for the members. If you want to know what to do, just look at their website or contact a shop steward. The better question is, where is upper management? Cozy in their office or home collecting bonuses for losing billions of dollars for the corporation.
Who are they firing?
CUPW at home getting full paid and don’t care for its members, that’s why they’re delaying negotiations
No permanent member fired
Ummm yes permanent ft have been fired.
Laiyoffs is not fired
if the company is losing money blame it on the workers. However, if it’s making money take all the credit—-Management,
Yes! It’s taken right from trump’s playbook!
CUPW continuously demands that CPC needs to grow the business, most of us will agree that this is a great idea. However postal banking, check in services, etc are not the answer. We are in the delivery business, not banking or health care. Therefore it seems painfully obvious that weekend delivery is the best way to grow the business and allow us to compete with courier companies that already do this. Also this will create new positions which is a good thing. Our current employees will not have to worry about being overworked by taking on too much overtime. These new part time and temporary employees will do that work and begin their path to becoming permanent employees. Are we missing something here? Let’s use some logic and common sense and give this one a shot. Also CUPW this will mean more union dues for you as these new temporary employees get to pay the same dues as the rest of us, even if they only work 8 hours per week. Score !!!
The union doesn’t want weekends, because it takes away all the RDOs (double overtime) from the senior full-timers.
However, I think it’s a great idea to schedule weekend to all the causal and relief workers, so they don’t have to be laid off.
It would definitely save the corporation money.
If the business is to survive the weekends are non negotiable, too bad so sad. It’s a business and must do what it needs to survive. Secondly these senior full time who are maxed out are contributing zero to our pension, we need new employees to pay into our pensions in order for us to have one. We’re in the delivery business, not old age home or retirement homes. When I was a carrier we had MSC’s who were delivery agents and they should revive the position to bring in parcel delivery for weekend. If we don’t jump on the parcel delivery boat for weekends, the life of Canada Post will be short, losing business to other smaller logistics companies. I could care less and others as well about CUPW and the senior full timers who never leave, the future is parcels, 7 day or close the doors and everyone out of a job, I’m choosing job over Union and senior employees who think they deserve overtime when the company needs to meet the demands of business.
Not how pensions work. Even if you are maxed out, you are still paying into it, without any extra benefit. You also don’t need to keep putting new money in. Read a book today about it while you walk the line
Totally agree. Why did union Allow full timers to get overtime I pay when part timers and casuals do not even get 40 hours at straight time ?! Paying overtime when not necessary to give full timers more pay is nuts
CUPW has nothing against weekend work. We’ve recommended many different ways that it can work, and the corporation has refused every single one of them.
Company has the ability to deliver parcels on the weekends since 2018. In fact they had been doing it already in one of the major cities down east. The union is not against weekend delivery. CP wants to expand the workforce with temp, another
lower wage tier , less benefit workers. THAT is the issue.
We are not overworked with the few rdo that actually still happen. We are overworked everyday with ssd. Thats what needs addressing and adjustments made
If working a full 8 hour shift as a full timer under SSD is so hard for you, why don’t you go part-time or find another job that is easier for you?
I would gladly take you position where I could easily do your job under SSD.
So stop complaining. There is always someone willing to do your job without all the complaints.
Everyone I know injured under SSD are usually the ones who rush and don’t take the necessary precautions to protect themselves from injuries like not taking breaks in between their 8 hours shift. If you can’t finish within 8 hours, let your supervisor know so they can accommodate the position with overtime or someone else to finish the rest of the route.
The no SSD thing is an excuse for lazy people.
You, sir or madam have no idea what you’re talking about. I have worked harder more often than you can imagine. 500 door to door and 700 apartments is too much any way it’s looked at. I understand they wanted to have people working more full days but where was it written that the pendulum had to swing from 5 hours a day to 10 hour days. 1200 hundred pieces of admail multiplied by however many sets, usually at least 4 or 5 now including monstrous fliers such as Wendy’s, makes for a very heavy very long day every day no matter how you try to spin it. Starting at 10:30 am means no matter what you are guaranteed you will be out well after the street lights have come on gauranteeing the inability see ice patches, dogs and even thieves possibly stalking. Some customers wont even come to the door for registered items after dark
The reward after all this upon return to station is to collate more fliers for another hour and then finally go home to have dinner at 8 pm or even later. Work life balance has been completely and forcibly removed. I don’t care if the company is struggling, that is too much to ask from one segment of its work force. If you truly had knowledge first hand on this subject you might not be so quick to attack in such an arrogant and condescending manner and you certainly wouldnt wish you could be doing this position. I did not say i wanted another job. I am saying that in its current iteration its unsustainable and overburdening.
And hey, if you want to try it yourself first hand, please feel free. In fact I dare you.
I can’t imagine how much fun it would be folding 700 Wendy’s 14×14 inch flyers into apartment slots. That is another reason we have 5 times the injury rate of any other occupation in Canada. I could only carry mail for 20 years. Cpc started giving us time values for flyers and all of the sudden volume counts went from 70% coverage on average to 45%. Weird how the day after every volume count is completed we would have 3 days of double mail volumes. Then they try and tell you it’s all on the up and up as they smirk and walk away.
When you get hurt they put you inside to sort. Then you get to listen to the faker talk for your last 10 years of employment. Meanwhile they replace you with a new guy making $10/ hr less. With any luck they don’t quit after the first month. By then their bodies should be calloused enough to handle it. That is when it gets really weird. CPC will follow you around using invasive surveillance techniques to try and catch you slipping up.
They spend thousands on recruitment, training, testing, orientation and uniforms. Then once they think you got the hang of it and are at almost full pay, they try and catch you making a mistake so they can fire you.
Thank you for posting this comment. So much of the workforce have no idea about whats really happening and would never be able to do it. Being in management with a business degree and working at the post office is nothing to be overly proud of. Us bottom rung dwellers are the backbone of the entire company and you all know it but are too small to admit it.
You’re missing one major thing here. No one wants part time weekends. In theory it’s great, sure. In reality no one will do this work on a regular basis. So, let them have it and I’ll tell you why. The work will be done on OT every, single, weekend by the diehard OT lovers that we all know.
The only way to achieve a true weekend workforce is by staffing it with full timers and various RDO’s.
Tue-Sat and Sun-Thurs etc. compliment that with a couple part time weekend only sure.
Seniority gets you the coveted Monday to Friday. It’s actually really easy to do and really easy to staff and you can cover all of the bases.
Part time weekends only will not and do not work.
No more RDO.
As a part timer, I would rather work weekends. It’s always some greedy full timer defending their right for RDO.
However, so many senior full timers are hungry about getting overtime and RDOs.
Every time my shift got extended somewhere on citywide, some senior full timer would always grieve the fact they were overlooked since they wanted the overtime so badly.
BS.
I work part time and I want to work the weekends.
I know so many casuals out of work who never get called into work. Any vacant positions are always strictly call out as citywide and filled by full timers as overtime.
This is just some greedy full-timer defense to get more RDO.
This is the easiest thing to implement. Already how it works in the plant and how it should be staffed in a depot. I don’t understand why they don’t understand. Glad you pointed it out
It is time for the corporation to start listening to the people they employ to do the work. We have tried it their way through arbitrated decision for way to long and they have failed and still cry loses. The corporation needs to change their mind set that our collective agreement is not just noise. We are unionized, we stand up for good wages, good working conditions and good jobs. we consult and negotiate in good faith. It’s time the corporation to step up and listen to bottom line workers. Over decades they have gotten their way through arbitration, Enough is enough no more! Sit down and negotiate a fair contract! For those bashing the labour movement and our union cupw, educate yourself on what the labour movement means, what it fights for and what your roll Is as a member. The national executive boards knows what the labour movement stand for, do you? The labour movement does not rollover and play dead we fight, know our rights and support each other as workers. Divided we beg, united we win, an injury to one is an injury to all, good jobs, safe work floors and good wages makes a good economy. We are not against change, we are fighting that these changes respect the workers rights. We’ve tried it the Corporations way now is the time for the corporation to listen to the workers, take our contract and negotiations seriously.
I genuinely believe that much could be done.
Strike is going great! Another couple of months and we shall get everything we asked for! (and think of all the money CPC saved by not paying us during the strike)
I sure hope this doesn’t go on for a couple of months.
It won’t
Think about how it impacts new hire instead. CUPW is potentially putting a halt to new jobs across Canada because we won’t have any clients left.
Clients? Sounds like a word someone in management would use.
I hope the corporation is taking this time to hire more GM’s, directors, VPs and managers. We need more great leadership to keep this cash cow thriving. Thanks for your blood, sweat and tears CPC management you’ve really outdone yourselves this time around.
LOL! Now that’s satire!
At least those guys are working while it took your union 1 year to negotiate and they are still negotiating. Very productive!
“working” right
It took CPC over 10 months to come up with a lowball offer. If that’s your idea of “working” you would fit right in with them. Then again, maybe you are with them already, “working” by trying to troll people online.
Unifor files for conciliation in contract dispute with CPKS. Why is Cupw so against Conciliation.
The worst contract Cupw signed was the 2 year extension Which was negotiated. The best One Ive received in 20 years was the last 4 year contract before the 2 year extension.
CUPW and CPC have already gone through a conciliation phase. CUPW does not want an “arbitrated” result because we always lose some stuff when this happens. CPC is a little scared of Arbitration too, because we could get more than they would like to give us…
Never in a an arbitration did we get more, we’ve always lost, so that misinformation to think CPC fears it. We’ve already lost to arbitration for SSD, we lost to a judge over rotating strikes, look at CUPW’s track record of losing because they are highly uneducated and a bunch of hooligans. Look at them on the media, they can’t even dress the part, on the lines employees wearing pajamas, and ripped clothes, we can’t even represent properly. We’ve in the years of negotiations have lost more in arbitration than we’ve gained.. it’s a lose lose
I sense decertification coming.
It has to be done, if we continue down this path, I’m sure layoffs will be coming. Some people got laid off already, that shows you the union doesn’t care and just drags us through the mud. This is really demoralizing the way we’re treated and we need professionals because CUPW is not, time to bring in Teamsters
Would love the teamsters. Cupw can does not even provide water or tents for picketers in rain. Some union reps were drunk on picket line.
Geez
Stay the course. Scare tactics can’t you see
Permanent workers get job back as soon as collective agreement back on
To be competitive in this market, there is no other choice.
Despite what you insist, you are management.
Yeah right c mon
This could be a long strike. The union is not going to budge and the federal government has no plan to intervene. We used to be an essential service but not really anymore. Getting my resume updated just in case.
Give me a break
Be strong
Canada Post says they want to negotiate. Canada Post refuses to negotiate. Same ol’ story…
So what has CUPW been doing for over a year?
Exactly, people don’t see the problem. In the year of negotiations they went to Cuba on our dime when the priority is to negotiate, that’s a clear indication of how much they care about negotiating a contract for its members, all they do is lie and show up when it’s time to be elected again.. That’s all they do, Everytime
Why does CUPW take a year to negotiate? Why every time a councilator gets assigned do we finally get an offer.? CUPW does this all the time to milk our showing they Can’t negotiate. If that’s the case why do they waste a year and blame corporation..? You think CUPW cares..? They wasted multiple negotiations on RSMC’s, you should keep that in mind. Who are they really negotiating for..? It’s not always CPC the bad ones, CUPW screwed up demands again thinking they can change things as they go along, they’re not for the members, wake up.
CP’s idea of “we want to negotiate” means “we want you to accept all of our proposals without any changes and will negotiate until you do”. Sad.
They can”t negotiate with unrealistic people and demands. CUPW has their head way to far in the clouds. I do not know one person who would put one penny into a bank that had anything to do with CUPW. Maybe if it was CPC minus CUPW. CUPW always fights for the wrong things and people.
Im confused everyone. So when will cupw pay us for all the picketing? I will have bills coming up soon and i need money. I know its going to be very little but i need it
They have a schedule, from what I remember we will be paid the 22nd of this month/week if you put your 5 days in by the the 21st. So by Friday
Why should there be a ton of people there? It’s a national strike. Nothing is being moved. And no one is going in to work. Certainly the management couldn’t figure it out. Make sure the depot is clean when we get back to work.
Clean up your mess enough when you are there. Cya in a month or so.
Yet we have no idea if scab workers are being brought in back doors!
Dude there is literally no one at the picket lines like a handful of people
CUPWs bluff has been called and now they are exposed, begging members to give ha!
Line was full where I picket in the prairies
I’m not surprised the turnout was so high. This is normal to have a four hour workday
Sometimes it’s only 3.5 hours but the key words are WORK which is what we are doing. Unlike the 8 hour coffee break all the important office folks are doing.
Not Toronto south central. Most part timers are sick of working to benefit the full timers and have a second job
Wrong
Dude read the rules of picketing Its all in cupw favour…..Someone correct me if I’m mistaken but if you picket 4 days in a row and they settle on the 5th day you don’t get paid…..If you show up you better be able to prove you did as in some situations or you don’t get paid…..I don’t think there is any danger of parcels or mail being delivered ( and neither is the union ) otherwise they would have pickets at all locations. So why spend the gas money…
New rule in the constitution is $56.00 per day of picketing. Up to a maximum of 5 days in a 7 day week. $280.00 a week. No taxes. No union dues. If they settle after 3 days of picketing, it will be $56.00 times 3 days. and so on.
To show support
To fight the fight
Solidarity
Some hours there’s nobody, especially weekends. People are tired of the same BS they do to us the members.. this is a joke and people have been issued layoff notices and called by corporation as well, good job CUPW, now we’re losing jobs
You are NOT losing your jobs!! . If you are laid off you get EI and your job back after the strike. Stop scare tactics. Where are all full timers at Sclpp . Oh forgot they are all accommodated and can’t walk the picket line lol
Exon permanent jobs will be lost
As soon as strike over jobs back
There’s lots
Time to decertify. Who is with me?
Purge the slurpee drinkers.
I am with you!
Oh yes!
I’m in!!
All the slurpee drinkers need to be purged for sure.. Let’s do this..!!!
Picket lines are bare. No other big unions support CupWoke.
Line was full in Saskatoon
Most picket lines full, and no support from other unions, because they know CUPW is useless. A strong union gets strong support from other unions, and our union is a bunch of potato heads
Dozens on the line on midnight shift at PPC. And a contractor truck driver came by the other night. Said he won’t cross picket line. Purolator, whose represented by Teamsters, won’t deliver Canada Post mail in solidarity.
Day of reckoning has come. Time to purge CupWoke.
No other union spends years negotiating for a buck or two.
Totally agree
No Ulines today!
Something positive at least
You should realize that this isn’t a free Uline delivery company. How do you think the company gets paid exactly? It isn’t getting by on a sweater mailed from grandma, its by Uline sending out the thing you are complaining about. What do you plan to do all day if you don’t like delivering things? Its confusing that you simultaneously demand more compensation and complain about the task at hand.
Lighten up chief
Soups must be bored or something
Uline is a waste of good paper
Agreed… We aren’t charging enough for that contract I think
But grandmas sweater is light and if I fall, usually no big deal….If I fall with 5Ulines in my satchel Maybe different story……Whats the cost of Uline…..what the cost of grandmas sweater.
Cost of grandmas sweater is Love
U-lines take too much out my time value, while Granny’s sweater gets top priority. Christmas is coming and Ugly sweater only around once a year.
Hence why CPC is doomed.
exactly
Cupw fafo’d and now members getting fired. Cupw slurpee drinker says to get a loan lol
No members getting fired
Geez. So weak
Cupw has to so-so-so-GO! No more free slurpees.
Is there a Union supply shop or something for picketing merch? Where does one source out a 45 gallon drum for example? Are the burn barrels carbon neutral? Do you not have your own winter clothes, or are you just going to wear the jackets that the company bought for you, along with the rest of your free uniform? Is the excitement of the weekend wearing off yet?
Yes there is a cupw store however they give members nothing for free, you have to pay for their merch! Meanwhile CPC provides free clothing.
The union is supposed to provide everything and if you need another drum for burning would they should accommodate that as well. The union has rented vans and are supposed to bring pallets to burn, we ran out and members are cold, congratulations CUPW, people are cold and they’re getting fired because you played games with your pathetic excuse of negotiating. A contract should never take over a year to sign or involvement by mediators proving its time for you to go. Time to kaibosh these losers and bring in a union that cares about it’s members and prepares for them as well..
Cupw has 55000 members and received an “overwhelming” vote of support for this strike by 95% of the members. Quick calculation tells me there should now be 52250 people on the picket lines across the country. Where is everyone?
95%……of the people who voted…..How many of the 55 000 voted…And how secure is the Ballet and count!
They want their dues, and they will increase them for sure when the strike its over. If they are at 2% right now due the math for 55000. That is a lot of money they are taking from all of us and for what?? So they can have nice cushy salaries while we work
They are the most expensive lawyers on the planet…..The Sole and exclusive Bargaining Agent ……They are granted this power By the Canada Industrial relations board.
Because the vote was probably overwhelming on a small amount of people. If 1000 people voted 95% then is that overwhelming? There is a reason that the union hasn’t said the number. That tells you all you need to know about your organization. Nothing but misinformation and scare tactics to prop up their antiquated mandates. Who wants more Kool Aid?
Exactly. 95% out of 1000 people is 950 over 55000 which is 1.72%. Lets say it is out of 20000 that is still 34.5%, not even the majority. Give us the numbers to see!
Only 10 out the 50 routes in my depot voted. Hence, the numbers must be low. I estimate only 5,500 voted out of 55,000.
That is only 10% of the union membership.
26% only showed up to vote, hence the ‘98%’ in favour of a strike.
Everyone I know voted no, they’re manipulating the Numbers, remember they’re also the ones counting the votes when it should be a third party. CUPW does nothing but lie, people getting fired, if you can’t survive financially they tell you to get a loan, and no support on the lines only media opportunities. Why don’t we get live updates about where we are in negotiations..? Why are they not at the picket lines.? Most useless union ever, no union took a year to negotiate contracts but Everytime negotiations for us it’s over a year.. again..? They’re screwing us and milking it for what it’s worth, nothing but propaganda from these Bozo’s. It’s time to decertify these useless slurpee drinkers and get away from their woke objectives.
I voted no and the casuals I know and went to vote voted no as well. The unaudited 95% lopsided outcome is hard to be taken seriously.
I would of went to vote no but i dont have a car.
Cause only 20% of 55,000 voted. In that 20%, 95% voted yes. Cupw is misleading folks.
We want a negotiated contract, this is something Cupw has never done. What’s the point in striking for a buck extra.
Why didn’t you vote then?
Everyone had the option to vote, and there were many times and dates to do so. If you didn’t vote, that is on you, no one else
I don’t believe 95% voted in favor of a strike. And 95% of what exactly? I hardly think that even close to 95% even voted to begin with. Very small percentage I’m sure. Where is everyone? At home or their other jobs, cause $150/w to picket doesn’t even pay the gas, that’s if you get paid at all.
Most are not going to stand in Cold for 4 hours for &14/hour with no protection From elements. Let the full timers who get all the OT and best assignments do it. Most part timers that are used by union to benefit full timers have a second job
I would like to Thx CP for having this Forum….If anyone is stifling Information its CUPW and if anyone is trolling on this forum its CUPW. CP pays me so I don’t expect them to be loyal to me other then compensation . I pay CUPW so expect them to be loyal. In my Mind CUPW betrayal is Bigger. They pretend To be for me but all the evidence I see is they are against me.
Ok, what in particular makes you feel this way?
evidence, Not emotions…..
Exactly.
CUPW have been quite cold and insensitive in responses to paying union members. It’s as if they don’t care about many of our financial difficulties.
Plus, they try circumvent questions or concerns of members.
They are focused on helping individuals in the HPSM category who only represent a small percentage of Canada Post employees.
Once they collect enough money from union dues, they spend it on the most wasteful things.
I notice alot of people are saying they are fed up. Also alot of people like to use the word genius to belittle their peers.
The strike has been going on for 2 days. Toughen up and don’t give in to the corporate trolls on this forum creating conflict.
They leave the forum open so they can post a few negative things to stir the pot, same old playbook
CUPW is more than welcome to create their own forum to allow their general membership to discuss issues that pertain to their employment with Canada Post.
Many times it is hard finding a shop steward to answer questions about difficulties in the work place when many facilities do not have shop stewards stationed. It might be useful for members to get answers from other members familiar with the collective agreement.
However, the union will not do that since they seem overly suspicious of everyone’s motives in this forum as well as their Facebook Discussion Groups.
I recently got kicked out of a discussion group, because they suspected me of being a “Canada Post Informant” or spy.
They need to relax and stop being so paranoid. Not everyone is out to get CUPW.
Dollarama is hiring across the country if anyone is interested. $23-$27 an hour to start. The learning curve may be a little aggressive as it’s not as entry level as PO4 work but with some time and commitment it could be a great career change for a lot of you. All the best, good luck!
Let’s start with you and your nonsense, it would be a great change for us not to deal with you as well.
Why is it now with this miniscule strike pay that CUPW has the nerve to tell people if you can’t afford this to get a loan or another mortgage..? No one wouldn’t be in this mess if it wasn’t for them.. Talk about not owning up to the mess they’ve caused.. 13 months and nothing till a councilator stepped in and we had our first offer..Shame on you CUPW, you’re hurting the membership with your constant failed negotiations.. Give it a rest. There should be a new timeline for negotiations now.. You have 3 months to figure things out with CPC, if not mediators get involved for 3 months, and if that’s not resolved arbitration..This is too much drama for us to deal with anymore, union clearly doesn’t want to negotiate, only worry about trips to Cuba.
Im genuinely looking foranother job after all the time with CP. They told me to get loans as well and its Christmas time! The CPUW are callous and don’t actually care about us workers. This is just ridiculous…
This has always happened, Canada post does not make any offers until forced to do so. Their end game has always been binding arbitration
CUPW posting strike locations again, only at the large depots.
Are the smaller depots not going to be paid? Do we have to travel to the closest city?
Would that mean that smaller depots can get back to work?
For all those here wanting to have dues raised, you’re all welcome to give up your whole pay, because the rest of us won’t and will decertify CUPW to be gone.. Good luck 🤡🤡🤡 Imagine thinking anyone wants their dues raised, these national committee members will comment here but won’t show up on picket lines… Now we know what smells worse than garbage.. CUPW.. how about have the nads to create a forum so we can tell how we really feel..? Oh ya crickets because everyone hates you
How can we do this? I want to but what do you suggest to begin the process? Post your name and some details thanks.
As I get more details a website will be posted and everyone can post info so we can decertify the union to bring in some one else..All members info will be confidential and private from CUPW so everyone’s privacy will be kept strictly private.. I’m waiting on details and will post as I get them.
Ok I’ll munch on my popcorn and wait for it, thanks
I suspect the people who want dues raised on here are probably on leave.
Otherwise the ones that don’t pay dues. Raise them 100% cause it is 0% to them.
100% agreed Tina
Cp can’t survive without harvesting the intellectual property which is all the workers…..There is No incentive for upper management to take chances……But to play it safe…..decisions are centralized in Ottawa. How does someone in Ottawa know whats going on in Vancouver or St johns.
I’m not Blaming Management as this is a structural Problem.
Plus they are under Paid and under incentivized….
Tuna enough with the….use a comma…..please…..
FYI. There are Canada Post Informants joining the picket lines pretending to be temporary casuals. Just so be aware and cautious of talking to anyone you don’t know when picketing.
Have a great day everyone! Dress warm and enjoy yourselves. Things could always be worse. Stay positive and meet some new people! YOLO!
LOL…..Usually the conversation At CP is Bus stop talk…..Useless.
Here is a better Motive….Maybe they will collect CUPW strike pay….Now thats more possible…..
A question: is there a way for me to work for CP and withdraw from CUPW? I just want to be a CP worker
Closed shop……NO
No, if you want to work.
However, we can decertify them as soon as the strike stops and bring in another union
Yes, Decertify them all and bring in Teamsters, we’ve had enough of this circus called CUPW
I agree we need a new union and Teamsters would be perfect . Sick and tired of all my union dues going to a useless union
There has been talk of this for decades, not going to happen
Agree. People should be able to opt out of the union if they want to.
They can. Go get a job somewhere else!
Of course you are free to go. I heard it’s very easy to get on board as a Team Lead or Supervisor as long as you have a HS diploma and speak English, you will get hired.
You also need no Common sense or personality at all to be management 🤣
If you tell them to their face that you want to certify them, you will stop paying dues ..I already asked executive..😂😂 Just be cautious because they will throw you under the bus telling the corporation you have no protection from the union
Here how to decertify a union in B.C.
How to apply for decertification of a union – from BC Labour Relations Board new website
To apply for decertification:
1. Get at least 45% of the bargaining unit to sign Form 33A (found on the last page of Form 33)
2. Complete the rest of Form 33
3. Submit the completed Form 33 and signed Forms 33As to the Board by email (link sends e-mail) (best and easiest), mail, courier, or drop off in person. Email to: registrar@lrb.bc.ca(link sends e-mail)
4. The signed Form 33As must be submitted to the Board within six months of being signed
5. Call the Board 604-660-1300 to arrange to pay the application filing fee by credit card (Visa or Mastercard).
Only the Board will see who has signed the Form 33As. The Board will keep the names of the employees who have signed those forms confidential. The Board will also keep the name or names of the applicant confidential. On documents you will be called Certain Employees. This information is not shared with the union and employer. The applicant by name only becomes known if there is a Board hearing.
GENERAL LABOUR BOARD NOTES FROM PAST BCLRB POSTINGS:
Applications, submissions or other documents received by the Board after 4:00 p.m. will be treated as if received at 8:00 a.m. the next business day, unless special arrangements have been made in advance with the Registrar, Deputy Registrar or Case Administrator.
Where the Board is closed on a statutory holiday and on weekends. Any new applications filed on such days will be treated as received at 8:00am the next business day. If a Code time limit for filing an application, or a deadline for submissions, falls on a weekend or statutory holiday, the application or submission must be filed with the Board on the next business day.
The Labour Relations Board now accepts applications by email. Attach your application form and decertification cards signed by employees to an e-mail. If submissions are ever required after you apply they can also be done via e-mail. Place the appropriate word “Application” or “Submission” in the subject line of the e-mail, along with any relevant case numbers (if known for submissions) so it can easily be identified. Once the e-mail is received at the Labour Relations Board an auto-reply will automatically be sent back to the user acknowledging receipt of the correspondence. If you don’t receive the auto-reply acknowledgement within a few minutes you must follow up with a phone call to the Labour Relations Board Reception at 604 660-1300. Explain the situation and you will be connected with the Registry Mail Clerk for follow up. Emails will be accepted at registrar@lrb.bc.ca(link sends e-mail).
https://www.infotravail.ca/faqs/guide-desaccreditation/bc/generale
Form 33
https://www.lrb.bc.ca/media/19040/download?inline
Awesome, Thanks for the info
i wish i can
I won’t use big words because the people I’m talking about are very bright. All executives of cupw and cpc if you don’t like the way things are going you know where the exits are!
I Agree with this strike on the bases the dynamic routing system. Where the LCA route is going to change everyday based on volumes
When we have a problem with Admail at our facility they send over a bunch of people from Ottawa with magnifying Glasses and magic markers. I guess they don’t care about all the evidence at the SLB processing centres and the fact that the penetration rate is falling because the admail isn’t even delivered.
I was issued a layoff notice today. Is this going to be rescinded when they strike a deal? I did not sign up for this what is CUPW doing???
How did you receive the layoff notice?
They called me and by email
Another CUPW success story.. CUPW is a joke, no one should be getting layoff notices.. It should be CUPW removed, not members forced to strike because they’re useless at negotiating. 30+ years of failed negotiations going strong
Calm yourself. Think about it. How can you be laid off when on strike or locked out? Once this fiasco is finally over you’ll be back to work and if necessary can grieve your job back with pay. Cpc just playing dirty trying to scare everyone
I looked into it. Its the Corps right to lay off during a strike, there is nothing stopping them.
Yes but you can go on EI during strike and you get your job back when strike is over so actually better to be laid off
Be careful, lots of fake stuff being posted. They aren’t going to call you or email you to lay you off.
Me neither.
It should be rescinded.
However, you are better finding a better job out there with your qualifications. Canada Post is only going get worse once a Conservative government is elected.
Just don’t work in retail or Amazon. Those jobs suck.
Search for jobs here:
https://www.jobbank.gc.ca/home
When the strike is over, call up the department who gave you the payoff notice.
If it is not rescinded, please grieve it.
Plus, if you are skilled letter carrier, you can find a better job in delivery anywhere.
🤞
Maybe you can Apply for UI under your circumstances.
That’s a dirty tactic from the employer trying to scare members. We are on a legal strike so what Canada Post doing is illegal if they don’t recall you after a deal is done.
not true. we aren’t protected under a collective agreement anymore and CPC has the right to adjust staffing based on operational needs. CUPW is the one playing dirty for their own selfish gain……..
Most people think in one step….If CP didn’t layoff workers the whole company is under risk of bankruptcy.
The only valuable item that CUPW brings is seniority. With the fake No layoff clause….It puts this in jeopardy. ( think of the No Layoff clause in context with the extended hours and growth in the PT workforce)……Why would you need to layoff your work force when you can cut the hours. Its easier for CUPW to print a bunch of lapel buttons (no Layoff clause)……Then to Put the truth on that button.
You talk about thinking, think about this. CPC isn’t paying CUPW member employees, nor are they getting benefits. So we cost CPC nothing during the strike. Once strike is over, the contract will have wording to say the collective agreement covers all the way back to when the last contract ended. They will have to take laid off employees back. So, why lay them off??? It’s a scare tactic.
Exactly, CUPW dragged this negotiation to over a year, so useless and need to be removed. Let’s Decertify them and bring in Teamsters who actually know how to negotiate.. CUPW, most useless union worldwide
The talk of decertification always gets thrown around every strike, won’t happen no matter how many fake cupw members post it
As if the union didn’t know that this can happen. How many strikes were there before?
They knew, they’re just playing victim now..
We need to UP our dues bigtime to save CUPW. Please increase our dues!!!!!!
Increase your dues only, no one wants to give them a penny more for the pathetic negotiating they’ve done so far. They will be decertified and removed for Teamsters and they won’t be missed for the abuse of the members money.
no
Stop trolling.
We don’t want to pay more union due when CUPW is doing a horrible job in negotiations.
We should not be out of work.
We miss working and delivering to our customers.
how much does cupw pay in dues? There is 55K members, should be big $$$ on every paycheck.
where is all the solidootory from the comrades cousins and sisters?????
The other unions are staying clear from CUPW…sure not like years ago when other unions always came out to support
If the company was productive and profitable, then Yes I would have supported it but not when my future is at risk too.
Nobody is showing up to picket lol
PPC lines are staffed. Dozens showed up on the weekend midnight shifts!
Head through the grapevine, or should I say slurpeeline but big dues increase is coming. I support it!!!!
They should already be 50% higher so this is welcomed in my eyes.
You pay for all of us who have been misrepresented by the useless union, like CUPW you’ll also be gone. They will be decertified and removed. Give them your whole pay so we can laugh at how you get no sympathy from them, only election time when they’re just as useless again..
Think of all those that came before us dealing then,with what we are dealing with today, to get us some of the things we enjoy today. Sometimes sacrifices need to be made and have to fight the good fight. I don’t “love” the union but without them we would have absouletly nothing, of that you can be assured. CPC would be an even worse corrupt and greedy slave labour camp than they already are. The latest draconian changes they wish to make based solely on lies from hidden and doctored financials needs to be stopped and exposed for all to see. If the government was to get involved, and in this respect they should, they should have a public inquiry into the boards actions and force them to undergo a forensic audit. There is no better disinfecant than sunshine for these shady operators
CUPW gave away much of what the old CUPW won. They need to go away now.
Maybe you need to away
You know what the problem is in getting the government to fix the problems they created….Its a conflict of interest, As per your example they appointed the board of directors. Guess what Inflation or higher interest rates are the difference between what the Government spends and collects….Then they Call the grocery store CEO before Parliament what a circus……..Its A good trick they use. Fools many time after time after time..
Every year, CPC’s annual financial report is audited by the Auditor General of Canada and an independent accounting firm. For 2023, the audit was done by Ernst and Young. Are you and those that claim CPC’s huge financial losses are not real accusing CPC, the government auditor and one of the big four accounting firms are colliding to cook the books?
Great comment. CUPW leaders have their heads in the sand and refuse to accept the cold hard truth.
Part of the loses are Capital investment. When CP spends 1 billion on the Albert Jackson Plant its an expense which creates a loss. The Albert Jackson plant is an Investment
The return on the Albert Jackson plant is over the life of the plant.
This is why the CP loss numbers are inaccurate. Plus CP has been selling real estate…..They are losing Money but It would take me a long time to figure out the true figure and not worth it to me as they are not on the stock market and I couldn’t Capitalize. Maybe Cupw could do the math……As this would be important information for the membership. But its easier to get a root canal then get info from CUPW>
How can you actually think the Canada Post is making a profit and “doctoring” the financials? It doesn’t take genius to see the erosion in lettermail over the past decade and the rise of many cheaper and faster parcel delivery companies has taken a huge chunk of revenue. If you would just take the time to read the Annual Report and see the it has been thoroughly audited by an external accounting firm. To think that Canada Post is lying is so ridiculous. Changes are need to save the company.
This company lies all the time. Why would you ever trust them?
Canada Post and CUPW are both Bureaucracies, meaning there basically Clubs that operate by a set of pre-determined rules. No one will change the Old School Tactics as long as the status quo remains the same. Wouldn’t it be interesting to see how many Canada Post Employees might vote on just an Employment Contract. If we were to invest the money we pay in Union Dues over 20 years we would have a nice nest egg. At this point I would rather work for less money with a normal and decent set of conditions. That’s how Fed Up I am with all the B.S. and Politics!
CUPW only cares about collecting union dues, they are a business.
Increase unions so they can go on nice all expenses paid trips every month. At least, conference, committee or educational workshop occurs a month. You can get a good idea how much money is wasted on the ~1100 delegates attending to each event.
They could use teleconferencing, or videoconferencing to save the cost of traveling, hotels, and etc., but why do that.
They love spending union money on free vacation retreats.
Best of all they get paid a living wages for a regular position at Canada Post that has been filled by a relief.😮💨
Plus, they use union dues on mostly leftist causes of marginalized people who have nothing to do with the fight of postal workers who demand better wages, benefits, and work conditions.
Let’s not forget a union hall they have never used for general membership meetings.
When this strike over, CUPW needs to be decertified and replaced.
So where in all of your grandstanding does our immediate issue of negotiations and on strike come into play? Your little speech does nothing to forward or address our issues right NOW! Let’s deal with all this united as one and when it’s over all do what whatever you want about the union. You can even lead trying to rid them yourself just NOT NOW
I make more at skipthedishes then as a cupw member lol
Well done champ set your goals high!
Solidoot cupw forever. The union makes us strong rararara
Slurpee for all
Cupw getting members terminated on one hand then delivering welfare checks for cpc ha!
Never heard of of workers on strike but still working.
Cpc laid off members and cupw says yess we’ll deliver those checks good sir
Yassssss. Up my dues please.
A plea from the former toronto local union president.
“Sisters and Brothers,
Today is Sunday, day 3 of the strike.
Where are you all ?
No early start or RDO?
Where are you all?
Calling all the members, including members who got 8 hours RDO, bypassed paid for shift 3 to join the picketline.
Where are you all who constantly used to complain and ask questions.
We are picketing in cold.
Where are you all ???
Some of our full-time members are getting layoff notices ?
Where are you all ?
Where are you all ?
Please join the picketline !!!
Please join the picketline !!!
In Solidarity
Qaiser:
No.
How does anyone get laid off when there is current job action and no one is at work. Stop fear mongering. Once the stoppage is over there is a collective agreement back in place so no lay offs can happen. Anyone laid off prior to would be able to grieve and get there job back anyways.
FYI Canada Post issuing Layoff notices.. Congratulations to CUPW for costing jobs to those because in over a year you’re useless in negotiations..again.. How in the world can they be allowed to do this to the members all the time.. Why is it when the government intervenes with mediators we start to finally get offers from Canada Post..? Because they do this on purpose to create hardships on its members, shame on you CUPW.. Costing jobs and proving you’re nothing but a failure to all its members.. Clown show
Excellent. Solidootory
If we didn’t have a union the layoffs would be non-stop, new hires would be at min wage, and no one would ever get full time. Wake up pal.
The useless would be laid off rightfully so. New hires are min wage cupw allowed that. Start wage is $22 bucks which is min wage after the mafia errr cupw takes their cut.
You better come to realize they don’t care about it’s members.. We need a real Union that actually interacts, goes to see it’s members, Allow members to vote on offers, not argue or threaten members.. We’re so divided because of CUPW. Not once has teamsters taken a year to negotiate, not once has Teamsters divided it’s membership, not once has Teamsters forgotten their members and actually appreciate them, unlike CUPW who only shows up for elections to be re-elected to do nothing.. I’d like CUPW to show a breakdown of their salaries and how many people we have getting paid with our dues. We are entitled to that information.. All they do is hide and make side deals with CPC.. wake up they’re playing you and have you drinking the CUPW cool-aid
How are the teamsters or anyone else helping us out at this exact moment in time? Agree to disagree but right now at this moment cupw is all we have. This contract needs to be negotiated here and now in the present, not in the hypothetical world of if or when any other union was to represent us down the road
Don’t blame the victim, please
Such lies. How are you issuing lay offs when we’re on strike. 55,000 plus people would;ld all get this notice then since zero people are working. Stop fear mongering. Once job action is over and an agreement is back in place any thing of this calibre would be grieved and over turned. Stop spreading fear.
Do you know that you are no longer unionized at this moment and that your collective agreement is useless right now and you fall under the Canadian Labour Code (if you looked at your union website they actually posted all this info for you) so yes CP can lay off and I can confirm they have laid off over a dozen thus far.
Anybody see the PR guy on CBC? He was asked twice if the losses were from operational losses or capital expenditures.. he completely danced around these questions. Quite obvious they’re not being truthful about the losses. Why would they pay themselves bonuses? .
Even this position makes more than a postal worker.
Arborist 1
Employment Status
Regular Full-Time
Pay Range
$40.37 per hour + comprehensive benefits package
Arborists require education, postal works do not.
Extremely dangerous job using wood chippers, chainsaws, pruning tools and heights in all weather. Nothing like your job, handing out a couple flyers to each house and maybe a letter or two. However, feel free to take these other lucrative jobs. You aren’t here against your will
Look tow driver make more than us.
auxiliary Tow Truck Operator
Employment Status
Auxiliary
Pay Range
$35.91 per hour (2024 rate) Plus 12% in lieu of all benefits
If any of get laid off, we can probably get a job that pays way more.
Check this out:
Group Fitness & Indoor Cycling Instructor
Employment Status
Auxiliary
Pay Range
$46.07 to $48.62 per hour + 12% in lieu of all benefits and vacation
Closing Date
12/6/24
Group Fitness & Indoor Cycling Instructor
I might as well apply since Canada Post pay sucks.
The simple fact that neither the corporation nor the union were at the table this weekend “negotiating” tells me neither side really cares about us. The negotiators are doing a great job showing us workers what it will look like when we all become “part time” employees.
If CUPW’s idea of postal banking is going to work, they need to do a better at managing it.
Remember the Canada Post MyMoney loan program. That was a big failure and closed indefinitely after security monitoring detected an apparent attack. Big mistake was that Canada Post didn’t invest in proper cybersecurity. Plus, there are too many bad actors trying to scam the general public. Canada Post should have set up proper in person verifications for users to access their accounts. Those RPOS systems at the retail post offices are now obsolete and so many glitches.
How the heck is Canada Post going to look after people’s money if they can’t trust us with processing loans as well their mail in CMB that constantly gets broken into? People can easily break into CMB to steal banking and credit card information.
If postal banking and e-commerce is going to work, there needs to be better coordination and accountability into setting it so that scammers to screw it up for everyone.
Here’s some information on postal banking:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_savings_system
Postal banking isn’t going to work, that’s why they don’t do it. The union is the one with the big plans. They might as well tell them they should do yard maintenance or handyman jobs since you are there anyway
CUPW is requesting senior checks and picking up trash on the highways
Im genuinely considering other employment not because of Canada Post but because of CUPW. I cant stand this union that only cares about its dues while we will not get any pay at all. I cant survive on 280 a week but no one at cupw cares they are telling me to get loans
If they’re telling you to get loans people should all be smart enough they never cared.. They should return our dues for the last 4 years of misrepresentation they’ve done. Those repeat offenders who are always in trouble should be paying dues only because the useless union protects them..not the workers who never get in trouble..
This is terrible. No one can survive on $280 strike pay per week. I hope this gets resolved quickly so everyone can get back to work and get paid. The holiday season is upon us. It makes no sense to shut down Canada Post, they pay our wages! CUPW does not pay our wages! Not to mention Canadians rely upon us to deliver. No one is winning here.
This will create a bit of a hardship for some, for others like myself I’m very happy for a vacation albeit unpaid. Overall I am glad that we are all experiencing this labour disruption, because change is greatly needed, and every single person in this entire company knows that this work stoppage was a must in order to accomplish the end goal we all need to happen.
If you can take some time to take a breather. Take a cooking class, spend some time with family or maybe even head back to the gym that you’ve been procrastinating about!
Change is good for everyone and I know there are many creatures of habit at the post office. Many of you have no idea what hard work is especially if you’re working inside any one of the major sporting facilities, take this time to reflect on some of your life choices if you’re truly unhappy, there’s gonna be a great defining moment in your life changes possible at any age maybe it’s time to move on.
You don’t speak for those that struggle financially, you’re not a life coach.. must be a supervisor who gets a bonus and doesn’t care because the longer the strike the more you get paid to do nothing to sit inside and play games on your phone. You don’t know anyone’s situation so take a cooking class yourself chef boy R dee
You sure told him anonymous one! Your says of delivering Canadian tire flyers or taking endless bathroom breaks are all but DONE! When you return it will be to work for the first time ever. Time to pay the piper CUPW tough guy!
Actually I am a life coach, delivering mail is my side gig.
Can anyone tell me if we’ll received strike pay if we’re at a location that’s not on the CUPW site of picket locations?
Ive been hearing its only at the locations on the map but i may be wrong and its only after 8 days
Where is your shop steward? Is there not a strike captain at your location?
If you have a strike captain at your work location, they are suppose to have a sign in book for you to sign in to record the start and end time for your picketing.
Make sure you get pictures of yourself and others picketing as proof so there is no dispute that you participated in strike picketing.
Contact your union local to give a more definitive answer.
Then why did CUPW post picket locations if every depot will receive strike pay? Something seems fishy.
Because they don’t want to pay you strike pay, they just want to collect the union dues.
Can anyone tell me if we’ll receive strike pay if we’re at a location that’s not listed on the CUPW site picket locations?
When this is strike is over, I might as well apply to be a supervisor.
Hence, less stress on my body from working SSD.
Cupw you are useless and your time is up. We don’t want nor need you any longer.
Agreed CUPW has to go
Canada Post upper management is sweating. They know their days are numbered. If this drags out a few weeks they should all be fired.
Canada Post upper management couldn’t care less. If anything, they are hoping that their days are numbered so they can get massive severance packages and move onto their next endeavor. They are not worried in the least they never have, and never will take any responsibility for the debacle they have created, and will never be held accountable.
If something is broken and does not work or does not work well you don’t continue using it, you replace it.
CUPW is broken and does not work well, if at all. CUPW needs to be replaced.
Thanks for the full strike but it is too little and far too late.
We will be replacing you.
Yes, out with CUPW and in with Teamsters.. Enough is enough of those criminals destroying the membership, they’ve had over 30 years and they’ve failed… miserably..
Cupw is trash.
Yes they are, Total trash
The bad news for CUPW is that out of my work centre half of the employees are also Uber drivers in their new Teslas so at least we know 50% of the workforce is still gainfully employed and likely care about the strike as much as they do their performance while at work.
Exactly, some of us are dependent on Post office for income, but the union could care less.. So pathetic, 30+ years of failed negotiations and bad treatment of its members..
This could go on for some time I think so prepare for a long go if it.
Government will legislate us back if there’s no progress with negotiations, with Black Friday and Cyber Monday around the corner just like 2018 we’ll be going back.. This is going to get worse for us if it goes to arbitration ans the union has a poor track record. They will raise our dues again and will blame post office for the agreements they made in the past.. It’s a no win for us, we the members should be more involved in negotiations, but the union wants to control everything while we pay their wages. We as members should be allowed every offer to vote, not this nonsense.. CUPW’s behavior towards its members is disgusting. Corporate greed is also unjust but that is out of control, we need to be treated with respect and watching the union look like bums and uneducated responses to the media makes us look worse.
NDP has said they will call non confidence vote on Liberals if they try to legislate us back. You know conservatives will support that in a heart beat. So either we get this done here and now, via negotiations or Canada post is in big trouble in a big way. Election likely wouldnt be until after black friday, christmas well over. You painted yourselves into a corner wasting time over this last year so time to man up now Canada post or the entire ship goes down
Just legislate us back to work already.
NDP just needs to back off so we can stop the amount of damage to the postal system Canada Post and CUPW negotiators have caused.
Jagmeet Singh made the same claim with the port workers
Let it sink and rebuild better if that is the case.
He can’t call a non confidence vote because the government is filibustered. He knows this that’s why he’s saying this.. he doesn’t want an election because he would lose his riding and his pension. But the liberals can still force us back with no vote.
If CP ship goes down so will ours, we wont have jobs in the future. So I’m not sure why you would say that. Maybe your looking for a new job already? I just want to get back to work. Christmas is coming and CUPW is being a Scrooge. We need to be reasonable. I would have been happy with the last offer. Why cant we vote each time there is an offer?
The company spent $5 billion in wages last year. Doesn’t really sound greedy. Almost all of that is CUPW wages, not management bonuses and salaries. That’s right, salaries, they don’t get to sponge up the overtime like you do. I bet there are a lot of you that would not want to show your T4’s from the last 5 years. Talk about greed…
Hahahaha get a grip
Stop the gaslighting while you’re ahead.
Where do you get those numbers?
Stop lying about bonuses.
Show us your books.
We can easily get an accountant to forensically go through Canada Post finances to find out what they might be hiding.
Nice try but your post is irrelevant. Your cpc overlords are the kings of wasted and unaccounted for money. They are the ones who “supposedly” lost 3 billion. Where? Why no answers and why not release financials?
Why the heck did we give her a second term? I didn’t vote for any of these bums.
Majority of union member do get vote for CUPW NEB.
Only regional and local CUPW executives are given the chance to vote at national conventions/ conferences.
How is that even democratic?
Don’t you mean “Majority of union member do *NOT*get vote for CUPW NEB?”
I don’t remember voting for any of those hacks.
Given the opportunity, I would vote them out.
It isn’t, they are communists.
Maybe they should consider being UBER drivers full time, instead of coming back to work at Canada Post.
If they cared about workers solidarity, they would be out picketing like the rest of us.
Exactly nobody from the national on the picket lines, they only wait for media fame and disappear.. So childish and stupid. Stealing from the members and causing job losses as we speak. Canada Post sending layoff notices, people losing jobs all because the union dragged this for 13 months, you think they care about those getting laid off.. No they don’t because it shouldn’t happen but it is, you better wake up to the reality of CUPW, all the executives should resign and be replaced..
As current APOC please keep fighting and stay strong. This is worth the fight and you all know it. I wish we were allowed to strike not many people have much respect for the supervisors and I can assure you, we are not getting rich like a lot of you think.
Is it worth the fight over lost wages for this Christmas season?
Yes
Absolutely worth it.
Lost christmas season too
Sounds like you should have stayed with CUPW
Yes and No in all honesty. I definitely enjoyed my job much more as a carrier but the physical demands after 16 years changed things. Being a supervisor is much easier and much harder in very different ways but I do not enjoy my job any longer. Actually kind of dread it. I should have chosen a different path 18 years ago! 10 more years to go here let’s see if we can all make it together! Goodluck to you all 👍🏼
No the supervisor is the gofer you need good workers to make your day better. Unfortunately supervisors that a coming in aren’t worth anything. 37yr service 58 yrs old had 14yrs in when they changed my pension PSSA was much better
So if we had postal banking would that mean our customers have no access to their money because we are on strike? What about senior check in services? Hope for the best that they survive while we are picketing? Why don’t we try and become good and profitable at delivering mail and parcels then worry about new revenue sources. Based on how the year long negotiations are going and how the union and management seem to not care about our current customers or employees I don’t think we should be trusted with peoples finances or lives for that matter. Negotiate a deal. Get rid of the dead weight dragging us down and let the folks that care look after our customers and business. We might actually be able to grow our business and become profitable again. Then together, we can look at adding new revenue sources. Both sides seem to have lost focus of what is important here and people are quickly caring less and less.
Postal Banking will never happen and is not beneficial, the union keeps going back to it and they have to stop with this nonsense.. The union grasping on straws instead of working for its members.. The have to focus on us, projects should not be part of negotiations
Good point about Postal Banking. Thinking that we can offer low cost banking and make tons of money is pretty silly. Low cost means low profit and the start-up costs are huge plus all the additional government oversight that would be needed? Crazy. There are lots of low cost banking options in Canada. Being profitable on parcels 100% has to happen.
I love that we are striking. I wish our Union dues were higher. Life is short fight fight fight!
No thanks.
It just goes to show you how selfish and greedy some CUPW members can be.
We are essential workers.
It sucks to be striking since we are a Canadian run corporation that needs to serve the general public.
I wish I was back to work.
I wish I was back as well. I feel like we are letting people down, people that rely on us.
Then give your whole paycheck to CUPW, no one cares what you think. Our dues are too high for the service we get from the union. Not actively communicating, not showing up on picket lines, not listening to our issues, only about dues, how about you give your paychecks to CUPW while we get through this hardship they created.. You don’t speak for us, wouldn’t be a surprise if you’re from the crooks on the national committee.. CUPW days are numbered, we will decertify them and bring Teamsters.. Clock is ticking
Don’t say that give our paycheck to CUPW that’ll be the next thing…please contribute your cheque so we can keep defending the useless…which at my plant is 50% easy😡😡😡
I Agree 100%
LOL
I’m not picketing because I don’t want to. This is upsetting to me and my family because I cant imagine how much in lost wages I will occur. All of us! I cant apply for EI and the local president says we can apply for loans if we are picketing if the 56 a day is not enough.
I don’t think this negotiation will go our way at all.
FYI, your Union is right go get a loan and keep fighting. Call your bank and let them know to give you a break on your mortgage. It’s the Canadian way.
Yeah its the Canadian way to default on your mortgage so Union Executives can get more pay right
Ladies and gents, striking and picketing unfortunately is much worst for our future then the CUPw and CP continue to talk … as anyone picketing get supposedly paid 50$, we are loosing millions everyday as a company, millions that would be useful to negociate a better contract for us.
We are constantly comparing ourselves with other companies that recently went on strike, but there is a difference, the other companies make a lot in profits, we are a company that is loosing money, so striking will do no good for our future. I see CP future workforce being made of international students and foreign workers .
And we only get our 280 dollar check after 8 days for 5 days of picketing.
So, if you own a million dollar house and it is paid off but you owe $3000 on a credit card and have a car payment, you are in debt?
Last contract they were in trouble because of the “pension deficit”. The arbitrator will not tolerate this nonsense and we will get a strong contract. Look up what the arbitrator got the teachers last contract. Ford tried to keep them at 1%/ year. They stuck to their guns and after years were finally paid fair wage increases that all workers deserve dispite what the bloated CEOs want you to get.
I hope so.
Yes !! Any other organization would have got rid of the senior management and the CEO if the losses were real. He is saying we have change reorganization of the management would show the workers they are serious. One of the senior management team is going to run Ottawa airport she should help the others leave.
We will honestly get nothing. Except lost wages, probably layoffs in the new year, moved to part time. Ive literally heard that some colleagues are getting laid off right now or being moved off of assignments.
There is a huge difference between creating lots of part time work and having people willing or wanting to do it.
You know what happens then right? The same thing that happens now. Full timers get excessive overtime 24/7 or they simply don’t cover the position.
Let them have their part time dream army and let it fail. This management team unless fully replaced is utterly incompetent and incapable of making and implementing the correct changes needed for all of us to succeed.
You mean full timers get all overtime and part timers do not even get 40 hours at straight time supported by union who said it’s part timers job to support full
Timers. Sickening cupw
That is false info, you would have the media report that if it were true. There will probably be binding arbitration but we will be ok, don’t panic
Looks Like A Strike of at least 2 weeks….Maybe Longer. Canada Post will run out of Cash very soon….They Could be at the Bank right Now……Bondholders % ownership of CP will increase. CP can borrow another 1.5 billion anymore money they need will go to a vote in parliament……that is not that far off…Hard to know how much money they are actually losing. Because of investments and now the (strike) one time items. There is lot of Fat with CP but they want it because if this company is sold The Fat turns into big time Profit….The Fat is Hidden in the Numbers and it is Huge
Imagine the savings if this drags on. This might balance the books
LOL Awesome!
Check the CUPW site for picket locations, if you want to be paid for standing outside for 4 hours.
Maybe this is the unions way of saving money, if you’re not at one of their picket locations you won’t be paid. Sounds underhanded,,🤑
Let’s see. Cupw and cpc executives still get paid with all benefits. Lawyers called mediators still get paid with all benefits. The workers better known as chumps don’t get paid and no benefits. Keep up the good work cupw and cpc.
Well yes! And big bucks too while some people can’t even afford a coffee…SHAME ON BOTH SIDES😡
Or SLURPEES!
Did somebody say slurpeeeee, solidoot comrade
Canada Post’s petty, vindictive, and maniacal behaviour is now on full display! Rather than admit they don’t have a clue how to manage a business profitably, they lash out at the workers, lay them off, and end 39.07s. CUPW may have its bad qualities, but if we were not unionized there would be no benefits, no pension, and all casuals/PT filling the ranks at rates just above min wage. In summary — WE STAND TOGETHER AND FIGHT THIS CORRUPT LEADERSHIP!
Lots of people work at CPC without a union. FedEx works without a union. Somehow they all have good jobs. They even have benefits. Imagine the sky not falling for once
It is 2024, people just feel entitled.
I don’t think this is going to end well for us workers. They have changed our terms of employment, the cupw are paying us 50 bucks to picket. I can”t afford two weeks without pay if this thing drags out, can you?
i think once we get back to work there will be a lot of layoffs in the following two years as they will force us either back to work, or they will force arbitration and we will have no protecrions left. This will be a lean Christmas for my family.
This was a massive mistake, i don’t think most people support us they prob hate us right now.
Think of all those that came before us dealing then,with what we are dealing with today, to get us some of the things we enjoy today. Sometimes sacrifices need to be made and have to fight the good fight. I don’t “love” the union but without them we would have absouletly nothing, of that you can be assured. CPC would be an even worse corrupt and greedy slave labour camp than they already are. The latest draconian changes they wish to make based solely on lies from hidden and doctored financials needs to be stopped and exposed for all to see. If the government was to get involved, and in this respect they should, they should have a public inquiry into the boards actions and force them to undergo a forensic audit. There is no better disinfecant than sunshine for these shady operators
Wow. You summed it up perfectly. If only everyone could hear your voice loud and clear. This forum is a septic tank of nonsense for the most part. It is refreshing to see that someone else has clear sight.
I too find it refreshing that there are some out here who get it also. I truly believe in the real world there are many more who think like this. Very easy to forget that in this heavily trolled as you so correctly put it “septic tank” of a forum. I will try to re post higher up in the comment section
It’s only been a short time we have been out and everyone is panicking. Been though a few of these in 34 years and ultimately everyone ends up ok at the end of it
No it doesn’t, we get worse contracts than what’s offered.. You must be dreaming or you’re from national committee or CUPW executive
So true
Everyone commenting on here. Here is a fact when the contract is done and decided all management and supervisors will get the same raise we get don’t even have to negotiate it. Plus they get an additional up to 4 % “at risk” bonus ( see page 159 of the apoc contract” So cupw is fighting for all the employees of Canada post. Have your supervisor thank you when we get for fighting for them to get paid more.
You’re misinformed. It’s a contractual “bonus” paid only if the Board of Directors approves it if it is recommended by the top brass in Ottawa. It usually amounts to about 3/4 of a paycheque. In case you missed it, Suoervisors stupidly signed an agreement a year early in 2020, don’t get COLA and are no long at parity relative to what they were. Supervisors are the most disengaged employees in the company. They work their 8 hours a day and don’t get OT when they didn’t get their breaks. They also start out at the low end of the scale and their earnings are so uncompetitive CPC can’t even hire off the street anymore and recruit from CUPW. Most Supervisors think we’re getting screwed and would rather handle certain things a different way but Superintendents and Managers are treating them like puppets to justify their jobs. Fact is- Supervisors are like us. Don’t kid yourself-Suoervisors are about to be Turkeys getting their throats slit through no fault of their own when CPC starts cutting from the top down in in 2025. Supervisors contract is up and they are filing for bargaining in the next 4 weeks. They’re in the same boat as us. The only thing that keeps Supervisors working at CPC is the pension and a few weeks of vacation after 14 years.
The real problem is that CPC is not competitive in the parcel business because they’re incompetent and they let low cost operators steal our lunch.
The real problem is Zone Managers and Directors and up to top management their jobs and saying they have made no mistakes. Look to the HR and LR paper pushers who do nothing to drive the business except warm chairs behind a desk.
Our fight is with top level management not our Supervisors.
Great Comment Postie dude!
Not how it works. They only hand out 1-2% and have for 10 years. Oh wait, that’s what you will end up getting in the end as well, my mistake. You are correct
INDIVIDUAL AT-RISK PAY
The parties agree that Association members in OP positions will continue to be entitled to the Individual At-Risk Pay Plan.
Employees receiving the following rating on their performance appraisals (in accordance with the performance
rating scale currently in effect within the
Corporation) can obtain payments of Individual At-Risk Pay, for each fiscal year, based on the following percentages of regular (substantive) salary:
Far Exceeded Expectations:
Exceeded Expectations:
Met All Expectations:
Met Most Expectations:
Did Not Meet Expectations:
4.00%
3.00%
2.25%
1.25%
0%
In order to be eligible for any payment under the Individual At-Risk Pay Plan, individuals must be Regular employees in an OP position and have more than three
(3) months continuous service in the Association bargaining unit during the fiscal year and must be on strength at the end of the fiscal year. Payments are based on one twelfth (1/12th) of the At-Risk Pay for each month as a Regular full-time employee in the Association bargaining unit. Regular part-time employees’ payments are based on their actual straight time hours worked.
Read the contract they have. All my supervisors said they get it evry year no questions asked.
I’m positive this company could afford to give strong wage increases and better benefits if they would focus on getting rid of the bad apples that exist at ALL levels of this company nationwide. 20% of this employees could be shown the door and they wouldn’t skip a beat. The things I’ve seen and pointed out over the yrs in multiple depots would make anyone’s head spin. It’s infuriating watching this place spiral and no one seems to have any pride to change it. Wasted $ on projects trying to reinvent the wheel, overkill on health and safety, employees that are off “injured” more than they ever work, refusing delivery cause it’s raining, the list goes on and on. Again, at ALL levels. I can’t stand the unions tactics, nor mgmt’s incompetance. I, as well as most, are just stuck between 2 groups (cupw and mgmt) that can’t figure out that a strike/lockout helps nobody.
That’s why I stopped being a shop steward.
It’s not easy representing people who abuse the system.
It’s nice going to all those shop courses, but not very fun representing people are in it for themselves.
I only give advice and help workers who deserve my respect.
“It’s nice going to all those shop courses” You’re one of the “bad” ones.
Exactly.
How hypocritical?
I only just started at Canada Post so I am not sure how their union works yet BUT I have worked in other companies that are unionized and I feel like they all seem pretty much the same. I dislike unions more than I like them. It’s not because of the unions themselves but the people who take advantage of what being in a union means. I worked as a Manager at this one place and was there for 2 years before having to relocate to where I am not (no room in the store here to relocate my employment too) and during my entire stint in that store, there was a list of workers who were on some kind of leave the entire time and getting paid for it. They were also completely protected by the union to return to their regular job descriptions as well as any raises, bonuses and other applied because of the union. I’ve found that, over the years, people just become compliant with these situations. Management does nothing to stop it from happening and unions constantly have the backs of those employees who take advantage.
20%? try 40%! love your take its bang on
I agree with you…40% if not higher!
why the hell is CUPW so stuck on issues that do not impact CURRENT employees who are CURRENTLY on a strike?? why are they so concerned about future hires?? this makes no sense, is a waste of our time and money and is putting CURRENT employees who are ACTIVELY paying union dues in a terrible situation. please make it make sense.
Never go backwards! Our union fought hard for the pension and benefits we have. We didn’t give them up in previous years, for employees like you. We won’t give them up for future employees either.
Yes they did actually. You are probably a uninformed new employee me thinks.
What did we win last time? We only lost. We lost a signing bonus , we got less percentage over 2 years then what CP was offering , we lost a big chunk of our flyer allowance and they promised us more admail even though we were getting paid less, which was a lie, since we get less flyers then we did in the past, so our paycheques were affected greatly
it will be worse this time for sure…
The union has given away lots in the past few contracts…Sick pay, flyer size and pay, severance, two tier etc
Given away more than they gained.
You all preach the truth, the union committee is trolling her saying nonsense. Union just keep losing and that’s the truth, like we all are now picketing
CUPW are trying to secure more union due payment from the future employees since the union dues collections have been down.
Unfortunately, since there has been little of no work at the plants, the union has not been able to collect more union dues from causal employees.
Many of the work at the plant and depots has been filled by accommodated employees who were forced to go back to work due to the suspension of their STDP.
I don’t feel sorry for the union and them getting less dues. Seriously, We have 55000 members. Do the math, calculate how much CUPW collects in dues. I don’t think they’re hurting. I don’t want to hear the pitty for the union. I spoke to a relative that is in a construction/labor union, they pay $50/m for dues. So this b.s. that we pay the least and should be paying more, is so laughable. Can we get a deal together already??? This is hurting everyone and the longer we are out, the more it’s going to hurt, EVERYONE!! Where they even at the table this weekend? or did they take the weekend off? Like someone else commented, at this point (a year into negotiations) i think they should sit at that table and not move until a deal is made. Enough already!!
CUPW makes its money from workers dues, so the more employees for them the better, because that would equal more dues more money, that is the only reason why I think CUPW would be so worried about future new hires. Obviously the workforce will need to renew over time, but with so many issues right now that urgently need to be fixed, you cannot be at this moment in time be worrying too much about new employees, it’s all about common sense.
bingo
This is why you have a job. You once were a new hire. And you have what you have now because of the same fight. And if this job wasn’t any good you wouldn’t be here.
True , but in the end as a new hire you get to choose if CP will fit your needs or not, and if not you look for something else. I’m these negotiations forget about new hires, right now we need to take care of those already working for CP.
Because when we are all retired these new hires will be the ones funding our pension plan etc. Dont so easily dismiss the wedge cpc is trying to put between us and new hires
A two tier wage exists already. I notice getting rid of this system is not on CUPWs list of demands. Care to explain why not?
PSAC and APOC have two pensions. Old employees DB and new ones DC, no issues there with funding so….?
If you care to read the pension benefits document, you will know CPC is obligated to contribute additional fund to offset any short fall in pension payout each year. Hence, it’s not a necessity to have new hires to fund current members’ future pension payments.
Sorry.
I won’t be retiring anytime soon.
Why consider new hires in this negotiation when many of will be still around for future collective agreements? We need to deal the situation right now not in the future.
As the old saying goes, “ DON’T COUNT YOUR CHICKENS BEFORE THEY HATCH definition: you should not make plans that depend on something good happening before you know …” ( Cambridge Dictionary)
The wages CP offer is good enough
the only thing my concern is the pension cost to people who will retire will be 50/50.
Otherwise no complaint at all.
The current wage is good……. if we were in the year 2010!!!
Not if you are a letter carrier under SSD.
Work is more harder plus the start times are too late in the day.
I would prefer to start work at 7:30 am and go home before 3 pm.
This is a real LC. Not a management spy. Here here and kudos to your legit
post!
You are 100% a P04 and I agree with you. Your wage is definitely good enough for what you do.
LC need to go back to have their own union again, they had one before. RSMC has not business being part of CUPW too.
70ish centers per year is good enough?
It’s the benefit cost I believe
Strike will not work, we will all be sent back to work, which I hope so , and if it goes to arbitration, no doubt we will get a much worst deal then what was offered to us, just like last time.
Not just last time it’s been the same story for a few times now…
So let’s all just give up and cave in. I don’t think so. You want to live your life like a spineles little worm go ahead. Go work somewhere else and let the real men handle this situation
yeah but you can make 50 bucks a day if you picket……lol
How are we going to get sent back to work? Seems very unlikely with the minority government situation.
I read on the union site that all picket locations are only in the cities, one location per city. Any thoughts on why that is?
I guess the union won’t pay you unless you show up at one of those locations.
Having worked in 3 locations over my 26 years for roughly the same time in each location anyone that has done the same understands how much different locations and jobs can affect your perspective of a fair living wage.
Also depending on who your supervisors and management team are it can even seem like you are working for a different company altogether.
I’ve done nearly every job and have worked at a small depot as well as a large sorting facility.
At $30 an hour in a large sorting facility I think the wage is fair. The problem is that we are very overstaffed and as a result underworked.
I can say this because I was also a human camel prior to going inside and I can assure you $30 is not nearly enough to provide the service I was providing. We were rarely if ever overstaffed and almost always overworked.
If the new SSD model makes a delivery agent the cornerstone of the entire operation by performing multiple tasks with heavier workloads and longer days how can this be overlooked and compensated fairly.
I would have loved to finish my career outdoors but after a shoulder surgery and knee problems I had to admit the inevitable and make the change which was and is still very hard to accept.
Being an indoor housecat after all those years as a human camel I could never expect a 25 year po4 to truly understand what hard work is when I compare it to what my days used to look like vs now.
The other point Id like to make is that it’s very hard to be a lazy carrier without repercussion in one form or another while at the same time it is very easy to blend in and play games while in a large facility.
Carriers ~ 10/6/4/4
Inside Workers ~ 3/3/2/2
Yes I know there are many other issues bay hand I’m simply expressing my thoughts on wage.
I like the numbers. Seems reasonable
Laaaaawl
True.
Except in our in our depot, we have some letter carriers who refuse to do their fair share of U-lines.
The U-lines are have to be delivered via overtime.
Plus, some letter carriers card every thing they don’t feel like delivering since they claim they are too heavy.
We have one LCA who is accommodated to do nothing except serve coffee to staff. This person just refuses to do work. Plus, they refuse to take part in picketing with the rest of us.
Yep, the same theme around the Country I would imagine. We need to change but only Authority is going to make us all do it. Some people have a good Work Ethic and some don’t. I say we get rated on Carded packages. Maybe even have to explain it eh?
Just Google Canada Post complaints and you’ll see the magnitude of that situation.
Your numbers are insane. 26 years of running now it’s taken a toll.
That Canada Post is running this comment room is proof that they are incompetent and wasting money. That someone is actually getting paid to censor people in this pathetic comment space is, likewise, proof that the company has no idea how to make/save money. For the love of god – get rid of management that is not required, make all bonuses/incentive programs contingent upon profitability and pay your workforce!!!
You say it well!
Where’s the CUPW discussion site. Oh, not allowed by our masters who are once again going to get us a lower increase than the last offer.
Unions, in my long experience, are self-serving entities. They’re like if you made a single HR lady into an entire organization. They’re not your friend. Your union brothers are only your brothers until it affects them. They will trade your cases in arbitration, and they will make shady deals with management on the side. I’ve had everything from teamsters to cupe, and they all have about the same honesty and efficacy.
Absolutely 100% correct!!!!
Of course they are.
This is their negotiation hub comment section.
The same could not be said about the CUPW website. They don’t want to see any negative comments. Hence, no comment section that can be viewed by everyone.
It’s a shame, too. It would probably save so much time allowing commentary by all union members and allow others who don’t get chance to attend General Membership Meetings have a voice.
Well don’t be on here then…we want to vent and CUPW won’t allow us to have a say…if they did they’d have a site up also…oh wait,they don’t allow CRITICISM 🤔
Point me towards the CUPW chat room please, oh wait… there is not one. Why is there not one?
There are CUPW Facebook groups.
However, if you say something true about the union they don’t like they will kick you out of the group.
So there would be no point to join their discussion boards that includes varying opinions.
They are generally extreme left. I consider myself a moderate person, but I cannot tolerate these leftist nor the alt-right MAGA Conservatives type groups out there.
Hence, I would consider it a waste of time joining them. They want to hear what they want, not the truth.
Strike pay should be significantly higher. The fact it is not goes to show me how much CUPW has wasted on futile expenditures.
Time with my family is worth far more than $50 because once we are back I know the days will be long and cold and I’ll be breaking my back again for a company that has no respect for me.
It’s disheartening the union doesn’t pony up and pay at least double the current $50 daily rate. Make it worth people time to come out!
Cupw can only afford a few weeks of strike action
Dear Canada Post and CUPW,
It has been hard going shopping with the family while preparing for strike.
The wife and kids were eyeing so many items they wanted for Christmas which I can’t afford to give them since we are on strike now.
My kids will not be able to send Santa Letters since they know Santa won’t be receiving any mail.
We will have to skip Christmas gift giving this year. If we are lucky we can still have a less satisfying Christmas meal.
We might as well be eating baloney sandwiches with how things are going.
Yours Sincerely,
A Concerned Postie
You guys will be fine, this will not last forever, been though many of these and it will get sorted out.
That’s for sure
Maybe it’s time to explain to your kids that Santa is not real.
This is THE problem. Get rid of the union, go private, bring back a meritocracy system and it will boosts productivity.
“If we hire someone today with job security, they’ve got a job for life and the defined benefit pension they’re paid through their retirement,” he said. “We have to be careful in terms of how many full-time employees that we add to the mix.”
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7384291
Not true.
I have worked at a few private companies.
The same thing happens there.
No matter how productive I was my manager bullied me to work harder and no one protected my interests. Plus, the pay sucked.
All you talk about is privatize.. Go work at a company that’s been privatized and share your view. You don’t speak on the majority here. Obviously you know nothing about business and how it works in a non unionized environment. More than likely you’re a disgruntled supervisor or someone who doesn’t work in Canada Post, so maybe just stop with your fake business analysis and go troll elsewhere 🤡
It’s nothing new at Canada post so please stop your whining on here and go work at your almighty private company.
The Real Problem is how the Corporation can get away with not having full disclosure on its Financials. I’m sure FedEx has it out in the open, but this Crown Corporation is allowed to keep things hidden. This creates a huge amount of skepticism!
I believe it was the Amazon Account that really became a no profit worth while situation over the years. I tried to get an F.O.I. request but the contract was completely blacked out so I couldn’t read the terms and price CPC was charging Amazon.
What really gets me is the fact we are still picking up Amazon Returns from the RPOs and we didn’t even deliver those packages in the first place! That’s is a not a Prudent Business Decision.
Amazon can build there own Return Depots!
Our labour costs, trucks, and warehouse space should be for companies that pay a reasonable rate for our service. Canada Post shouldn’t try to be a Consolidated Freight Company when its a Postal Service that has most of its resources tied up moving around Junk Mail like ULINES.
Show us the Contract Canada Post. What is ULINE paying for these massive amounts of catalogues and what is Amazon paying for a Returned Package?
Less then Cost for sure
Exactly.
Show us your books Canada Post!
So true about Uline!
We’re charging far too little for that stuff
Nobodies going Kiss the Uline $$$ away…That would be their Termination. Must be in the millions. Thats part of the mismanaged Admail division.The Bigger Uline Book should have a higher price then the smaller one and by a certain %…… But the way they look at that contract is just revenue…….Cause the true expense is harder to determine. CP has Uline Trapped We are the only ones that can Deliver that product do to logistics…
They do have a higher price than most admail. You are attempting to explain cooking to a chef…you’re out of your league with these comments.
It should be at least $6 each from what the Pricing states. But of course the massive volume would get them a better rate. Which should be the same as a small Amazon Package that probably costs…$1.25
And we can debate that, but it makes sense if the Flyer costs are supposed to be 10 cents each.
What would be really killing us is if Canada Post is picking up the Pallets of Admail for free and shipping them all over the Country.
You obviously are not well informed about Amazon. There was never a time when they were not doing their own expansion, as it was always going to be cheaper and more flexible than whatever this is here. Getting the return business is brilliant actually. This highlights the readily available post office drop spots, provides one way tracked service that we wouldn’t get and it goes to major centres with minimal cost for sorting. It doesn’t go out to random businesses mostly but a huge dedicated pile. Your logic is we should make them do it? That’s all I need to hear from you about business plans. Your eyes would water if you knew how much Uline was paying. It isn’t cheap, considering you treat it as trash.
That’s because the Uline catalogues are trash with the outdated mailing list
You got that right! Canada Post is probably spending quite a bit to remove the piles of them going into Recycling Bins too!
The paraphrasing you are using misses a few beats and I know your intent is to make my more direct statements regarding the Business activity at Canada Post seem false. But where ever your logic comes has to be backed up with facts. I have put some questions out there. I have worked in the Transportation Business for almost 30yrs! I stated that I tried to get the Information of the Amazon account and you or someone in the Glass Tower has decided to hold back that information. What is it that is so secret? There shouldn’t be anything hidden regarding a customers charges. The fact that Canada Post has given some select companies such as Amazon a sweet deal has prevented smaller businesses from being able to compete. You have to provide a Level Playing Field when conducting business transactions in a Crown Corporation.
Believe me when I say that no company would share their contracts with the public. It’s nobody’s business least of all yours. If you have thirty years of experience as you say, then you know this. All rates are published but that is generic info. Imagine you bought a car and they published the details of your transaction. Not how business works. Check yourself.
The Crown Corporation is regulated by the Government and Canadians pay taxes and expect full transparency when requesting the information. So it is my business as well as every person that would like to see it. Do you know the contracts? If you do, I’m sure your can see the Fixed Cost to any package moving within the Canada Post system. CPC has adversely preventing businesses from being able to compete with Amazon. Our Nations Postal Service decided to take that road for short term gain. There has to be a bare minimum price, No exceptions! There was a reason why Amazon was always able to sell for less! If there was Free Shipping and Free Returns than we can be certain the price that Canada Post was charging was quite a bit less than fixed costs. If this was such a great deal than how did CPC loose 3 billion in 6 years? Especially at a time when the volumes were at the highest level during the Pandemic?
Do they have A contract With Amazon. If CP is going to take any business from a large company They would be wise to have a Contract…Otherwise Its A bad Investment for CP…Too Risky.
Why are all the picket locations now in the cities? Any depot outside of a city is not on the list. Check the CUPW site.
Why no negotiations until monday? We’re told how crucial and important our service is. Both sides should not be able to take a day off at this point until a deal is reached. How old are they anyway!
Infuriating!
That’s just crazy!!! Get a deal already!!
No negotiations until Monday?Well they need the wknd off…it’s tough sitting at a table, eating at the best restaurants etc!As long as people are on the line they’re taking it easy😡
That’s the union not negotiating, just to put more hardship on the members. It’s bad enough those incompetence have wasted over a Year again and over and over and gotten no where. The union should not be allowed to negotiate without a mediator because they will do nothing to settle this situation. We needed a councilator just to get our first offer from CPC and the union blew it again by not being clear in demands from the beginning.. Bunch of amateurs.. Negotiating committee should be disbanded permanently and sent to Cuba 1 way for this behavior.. The membership has had enough, supervisors who don’t even know the job getting bonuses to the union just raising our dues for another failed negotiation.. This is truly pathetic. CUPW can’t even dress professionally when commenting to the media, they look like a bunch of homeless.. We need this done and over with a reasonable raise, the longer this drags the more the public walks away and we may even have to face layoffs in the near future because of these delays. The union should not be allowed to negotiate for almost a year without results, enough is enough you crooks.
I haven’t worked for Canada Post even a year yet and I’m feeling very overwhelmed with emotion and frustration. I’ve busted my butt on the daily and I feel like my hard work is rarely, if ever respected or appreciated by anyone. Now here I am on the street like a begging dog proving to myself my assumptions of lack of respect and appreciation were 100% right.
What makes this the worst for me personally is the lack of support I am feeling from the public and what put my in tears yesterday. The majority of the public does not respect us either I feel and clearly side with management.
The possibility that I may quit and look for employment elsewhere is increasing very quickly. The delusion within the company from all sides of what is really going on and what is deemed fair are truly astonishing.
Thanks for listening.
Sorry to hear that. I have been working for this company for 25 years and feel the same way as you do, and I think many others do as well. If you are a good, hard working individual who just wants to do your job and go home, this probably isn’t the best fit. I used to tell the rookies to stick it out, it gets better, but I can’t anymore. CPC has such an ingrained culture of bullying and disrespect, and it doesn’t ever change, regardless of whichever government appointed CEO is installed.
I will say this is the first time in my career I have seen CUPW truly dig in their heels to try and avoid rollbacks and concessions. Whether or not an arbitrator sides with us is another story. I’ve never experienced that either.
Many of us lifer employees feel your pain, but we are in to deep or are too old to get out. If things don’t improve, do yourself a favor, start taking a serious look at another company, because you (and all of us) deserve better than to be bullied and disrespected every day.
Thanks for responding it means a lot. I’ll take you advice seriously. I understand what you’re saying. Thanks.
Canada Post and CUPW are both bureaucracies ~ ‘a hierarchical organization or a company that operates by a set of pre-determined rules’. No one will change the Old School Tactic as long as the status quo remains the same. Those within higher levels don’t feel the financial strain to the same degree as Front Line Workers. A responsible Government should automatically intervene during the Strike and ensure that everybody at the Table is 1. Competent 2. Motivated & 3. Not corrupt
A Financial Audit should be launched immediately on Both CUPW and Canada Post and a Full Disclosure Report should be posted online for all Canadians to see. This is how we can reduce the Bad Perception and Skepticism.
Yes our Goodwill with the public has dropped, What do you expect when you place Some legitimate and some (Not) work orders on people stairs etc. We need protocols. To contain the monsters.
I love the clueless APOC commenters on here showing their loyalty. Whatever we fight for and win, you also benefit from, remember that.
Ok enough already!!! Can you just negotiate already!! You’ve been at this for a year, meet in the middle let’s get a fair, realistic and reasonable deal and get back to work! We’re at a crucial time of year, probably already missed out on it and probably no going back! You’re dealing with people’s lives here, so let’s get on with it on both sides!!! Unbelievable!!
That makes too much sense
Why is nobody saying anything about the last contract extension for 2 years without a raise Because it does not look good for either the CUPW or the management.
We did get a 2% raise each of these past 2 years but it pales in comparison to the increase in cost of living. Property taxes, home heating, groceries and every other day to day expense continues to rise and 11% over 4 years simply will simply put us further behind. If they could at least front end load the first year at 8% and then maybe 2.5% for the remaining 3 years maybe that would help some people.
When asked what I want for dinner, I will reply ‘filet mignon, scampi and king crab’. That’s what I want, but it’s not realistic. I still get a great dinner, but not the forementioned. When CUPW asks for a huge wage increase and phenomenal other items, that’s what they are supposed to do. However, when the first answer is no, and definitely is not the great dinner, asking for the filet mignon etc again is not negotiating. Put out different options and proposals to your union members and get them to vote on whether they agree or not. Then present again. And so on, and so on…. Playing over the top hardball because that’s who you are as the negotiating board does not mean a win for the members you are representing. They are paying union dues to be represented in good faith for an actual win for CUPW. It backfired last time and will again.
Well said, I’m with this line of thought. I don’t expect that the masses will agree are be half as eloquent.
i agree!
THIS!!! absolutely.
Yes!!
I figure its time to rewrite the Book of Rules. But first the Corporation needs to end the Contracting out. This especially needs to happen in Major City Centers. Install Retail Counters at every Depot and make the Supervisors serve the Customers. This is better than having a Drug Store employee who is paid minimum wage do the job of two people when the Drugstore owner wants to cheap out. The sign of ‘Sorry gone for Break, be back in 30mins’ gets placed on the counter. And a Canada Post Supervisor says, oh well what can we do? How the heck did we get here? This is just one smear on the Canada Posts Image! Get a Grip People!
Exactly.
It sucks turning away potential customers at the call mail window who want drop off a parcel or buy postage. Plus, we only open from 10 am to 2pm. Couldn’t we open longer since we have PO4s still collecting and transferring scannables to the RPOs until 6 pm? Also, they should have PO4s or LCAs work the call mail desk instead of a relief letter carrier.
It would be great if we could accept customer drop offs of pre-paid parcels and letter mail at the call mail.
100 % in agreement
CUPW has done some great things for the employees over the years for sure, but they should be accountable to the MEMBERSHIP they represent, so let the members VOTE on each and every contract presented
By doing this, they would know if the MEMBERSHIP is on board with demands, or as a COLLECTIVE , we wish to accept the proposal
No idea how many are even on the NEB, but lets say 10 ( as a round number)- makes NO SENSE that 10 get to determine the fate of 55000!
Let us VOTE!
When Canada post actually offers something worthwhile then we will vote on it. You are only seeing what CPC wants you to see. The rollbacks and clawbacks in their pathetic excuse of an offer are substantial. Their money woes are for the most part artificially created and only meant to decimate us. They want to completely elimnate 15.08 and 17.04 for full timers. We dont make anywhere near enough now let alone with out OT access. How many can carry a family and a household on our salaries? Try reading up on it yourself. Lots of scary stuff hidden in there
Same can be said for the union executives.
It sucks paying for union retreats that most members who show up to union meetings don’t get to enjoy.
Union executives always nominate themselves or their friends and family for these trips.
The same people always get picked for conferences and retreats for Womens, Health and Safety, Education, and Human Rights. It sucks. That’s another reason why I stopped going to union meetings.
Cupw is still lost in the seventies and only has one play book. We are talking about uneducated carriers and clerks doing the negotiations
A lot of uneducated are better than the educated that did not earn there education. Please don’t badmouth change your attitude Boss
What i would like for dinner is to eat with my family at normal human being time. Not 9 at night and then going to bed exhausted because of SSD. Dont bother with ssd not going anywhere comments. There are many changes that could implemented not the least of which 8 am start time
It’s a tough job, both physically and mentally, to begin with and the company is just adding a lot more stress to it. Unfortunately for us workers it’s a game at this point. There’s more than a strong possibility that it’s here to stay but instead of just fighting for it’s reversal and losing in binding arbitration our union should work to modify it, like the early start you suggested. But at least they’ll be able to say we stood strong, it’s the company’s fault, when it remains unchanged. That, to me, is the most frustrating part.
Stop trying to turn the corporation into Amazon. Your employees on the line are worth more than that. Employees shouldn’t pay for the mistakes and decisions made by upper management.
100% Bang on 👍🏼
Nothing wrong with Amazon…oh wait, they’re workers…None of us are any better than front line Amazon,Purolater,UPS etc
Great comment. Anyone who disagrees is a wuss
Look at other delivery services, e-commerce is one of the only ways for Canada Post to turn a profit beside improve services by including weekend deliveries.
Back in 2019 -2022, we were busy and getting lots of business from Amazon. There was lots of work out and we all enjoyed the paycheck due to the overtime.
Unfortunately, Amazon and other e-commerce retailers smarten up and developed their own delivery services by paying less to migrant workers.
Unfortunately, too many greedy people in the Canada Post senior management/ board of directors (why the 🤬💩 do they need 22 VPs &10 directors) and CUPW (National, Regional, and Local executives) want a piece of the pie to fund their overindulgent lifestyles.
It’s sucks that we have to be on strike and have both sides of the higher ups work against us.
I really hope we get back to our jobs delivering mail and parcels to our customers. I miss working my route already.
Blame Game Lame
if the corporation isn’t willing to pay workers a fair wage, in line with inflation and the cost of living (somehow this is considered a big ask in 2024), then maybe this company doesn’t deserve to exist.
Cost of living is under 2% and i think $30 is a fair wage for being high school educated, manual labour.
You’re conflating cost of living with inflation.
The annual average change in the consumer price index excluding energy since 2018 is over 18%. These statistics are readily available for you to source online with minimal effort.
Frontline workers in this company have sacrificed enough (increased workloads, stagnant wages, the pandemic). It’s time for the pendulum to swing back.
Unfortunately, we are still stuck with so many lazy worker who continue to milk the system with their accommodations and ongoing STDP claims.
Even before their injuries they were just as lazy.
I agree and unfortunately the union protects them, my job was threaten by the union if I didn’t stop complaining about lazy co-workers
Yes yes and yes
I have never seen work place that people are not working supervisors are harassing and bullying the employees who does the work. It’s really an issue it’s stressful and affecting our mental health, no matter what we still do our job because we are getting paid good salary benefits and pension.
Enough with the lazy workers we get it. You’ve beat that one to death. How about concentrating your limited efforts on the task at hand of sorting a contract fair to us workers and not bending over to your cpc overlords incessantly whining about the union
Also, the union changes your mindset and way of working. For the probation period, employees can work extremely hard but once they are confirmed and know they cannot be fired, they take advantage of the system.
Do you think this is fair for others who really want Canada Post to suceed?
I am well aware of the price of living as I am in the same boat as you. My point is that there is no means to go back and recoup the loss in buying power. When the economy is rolling along, there is no discussion of pulling back on wages of course. For you, the pendulum only swings one way. At this point it looks like the union is riffling through an empty wallet. There isn’t anything left, contrary to what you may think. Less everyday by the way.
The pendulum hasn’t swung our way and we been getting screwed for years and years. Time to level the playing field. And as another post correctly stated , if they can’t pay properly then maybe they don’t deserve to exist. Have to break some eggs to make an omelet
Do you think members of APOC possess any real discernible skills beyond sending an email in outlook, or writing up a draft in word? I had to teach a team leader how to source a name in a PDF file the other day. These aren’t exactly the best and brightest the company has to offer. They audit neighbourhood for a living, and when pressed with additional paperwork they lash out like spoiled children.
Those “uneducated, manual labourers” are the reason you have a job.
A lot of APOC come from your ranks.
Think it’s so easy then step up or step aside.
LOL! Yes, if you’re lazy and are good at harassing workers you’ll be hired as a supervisor. If you suck up good to managers, you’ll be promoted to superintendent. If you backstab your fellow employees, you’ll be promoted to manager!
If it’s so easy, then why don’t you become one
Getting paid to exercise and interact with customers in the fresh air, or spy on people, sign out keys, make sure the parking brakes on vehicles and equipment. Hmmmm tough call
Does this apply to management as well?
Absolutely ridiculous comment , come work for a week as a letter Carrier and you will find out. Most of carrier walk up to 20k average and it would take you atleast 2 years to learn the skill to sort mail in a case and deliver it safely.
This is the truth unlike half the other bs posts on this cpc manifesto propaganda site
Not everyone’s education level is just high school educated.
Many of us have post secondary education, we just choose to deliver mail because we enjoy the job.
Plus, Canada Post is not the only place I have ever worked at.
I have worked so many retail, sales, office, and factory jobs since I was 15 years old.
Being a postie can be a skilled job where you are knowledgeable about the streets and roads in the area, and you have to be physically fit, have great attention to detail and have excellent eye and hand coordination.
Not everyone can do the work of a letter carrier or delivery agent.
I would love to see you try and do our job for a day when it is raining or snowing hard, roads and sidewalks are slippery or the weather is extreme hot. I don’t mind any of these conditions, but I am sure you would have a hard time managing it.
You do realize that if there is no volume, there is no company thus no job.
And no hefty exec bonuses.
Looks like the exec bonuses is a big concern of yours. Why not change company? I am not in favour of the execs but everyone has the choice to leave the company and look for another company if they do not like it.
You most probably do not leave the company because you know you can continue to abuse the system here with a decent benefit and pay. Why would you go out of your comfort zone.
Thank you I agree
7-11 has sold out of slurpees.
With the increase they proposed won’t have money to buy sorry
If we get A 10% wage increase after this is over it’ll take over 2 yrs to break even with 2 weeks of lost wages. But given the fact that it’ll go to arbitration which will probably take 2 yrs , so it’ll actually take 4 yrs to break even. Never win with a strike. It’s not all about the money I know so hopefully we can win a couple other of these things
So let’s all just give up, throw our hands in the air and do nothing. No thanks! maybe good for you but unacceptable for the majority of us.
With the increase they proposed won’t have money to buy a slurpee Sorry. Back to the tent
Lol! Too funny 7-11 selling out of slurpees! Well they can go to Tim’s then in their sweats and pony tails…they all look alike!
You’re right! The “men” have ponies and the “women” have crew cuts. The in-betweeners are a free for all.
I agree both sides are to blame…they love this cat and mouse game…always have…always will(well for about the next 2-5 years) Enjoy working for a private company…no wait they’ll get rid of half of you…mgmt and workers
I have worked at a private company before.
It makes no difference. Still too many useless people working there, too.
The longer this goes on the less essential we become. Both sides are losing the battle for the hearts and minds and ‘wallets’ of the public.
Well said!
Stop with the sky is falling. It’s all cpc lies. None of it is true and media is finally realizing that. Stop kneeling at management staffs
Thank you Canada Post for thinking of your sick and injured employees by cutting off the STDP. Why would I think you would ever take the high road as you drive the company to the bottom!!
This just shows how the union operates, failing to consider the full consequences of their actions including their own members.
exactly. If you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
I think the blame falls on both sides. As they say, it takes two.
Both sides have been playing this game.
I agree both sides are to blame…they love this cat and mouse game…always have…always will(well for about the next 2-5 years) Enjoy working for a private company…no wait they’ll get rid of half of you…mgmt and workers
Why doesn’t the media like CTV or Global expose corruption and deception carried out by Canada Post’s 22 Senior Management including their 10 Board of Directors?
https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/our-company/leadership-and-governance/senior-management-team.page
https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/our-company/leadership-and-governance/corporate-governance/directors-biographies.page
These are useless individuals should not be paid millions to run Canada Post into bankruptcy.
If Canada Post wants to negotiate in good faith and an ethical manner, these 32 individuals need to give back the millions they gave themselves as bonuses and work at reduced benefits and wages.
They owe it the Canadian people and CUPW members who have cheated by the Corporation for the past 30 years.
i don’t know, probably because there is no corruption or deception. Just a thought…Maybe you can think of some more conspiracy threads to pull, like Sasquatch, Aliens and Illuminati
wait short term stops during the strike?
Might as well-I am lucky in that I have training I can use somewhere else. This is not the case for a lot of people so think maybe before you speak.
This is when CPC is usually saved by back to work legislation. Not this time.
Long weekend and hopefully a week off.
I hope we stay out until December, and every last person managing the company in Ottawa is fired.
THIS 100%
Hopefully January and then with the decimation of business we can lay off the slackers and cheaters and those of us who actually work can make this company profitable once again.
And what do you think will be left of this company after we’ve been out for 8-10 weeks
The company will be a leaner but more agile and efficient company that has a better chance to win back profitable parcel business to be able to subsidize the unprofitable mail operations especially the rural areas.
I agreed
So most of management then. Who’s gonna deliver the mail? No one can answer the question. They continue to mess with the LC job, which is the only relevant job in this company. No one wants to do it anymore except for the few of us with some jump in our step and not scared of weather conditions, yet they try to make it more and more difficult. I’m hoping for the big axe as you say, of all these useless people I report to but do nothing of value.
20 year LC
Well, the only sustainable way for the company to survive and maybe thrive is to get out of the last-mile delivery business. It’s the most labour and cost intensive and least automateable part of the operations. No more fighting over SSD or LCs being overburdened. Let the enterprising entrepreneurs in the private sector take on this challenge with their innovations without the shackles of CUPW.
YES! EXACTLY!!!
I’m pretty new, started in June (on call) and if it wasn’t for the news, I wouldn’t even know that we are striking. I don’t even know if we are suppose to picket. Have not received any emails at all. Received a letter in the mail advising of the negotiations about 3 weeks ago.
Been working casual for a year and nobody from the union has bothered to contact me.
Makes you wonder if the union is really working for the members’ interest.
Have you paid for your union initiation fees?
If not, don’t make any effort to pay them.
It’s unfair for them to charge you union dues the same as a full timer if you only work one or two days a month.
What a joke..I have been a letter carrier for 34 years. Retire in April.
What does our union think they are doing.. they are digging a deeper hole. Canada post needs to make huge changes. Worse time to strike.. more customers lost..we loose pay.. ridiculous
Exactly. Canada Post will have no more future after this. There is no recovery and how do you expect to attract young people to change the company and make it better?
how can they attract new workers with what they are offering in the agreement for new employees? half the pension, less vacation time and additional vacation days not earned as quickly, the raises will be stretched over a longer period, no more cola.
Labour cost goes up because of unproductive employees and there is no way to layoff the unproductive employees. New employees are penalised and when all volumes are going to competitors because of strikes like this, it has a direct impact on revenue. It is logical, nothing complicated.
CUPW also Has A pension specialist. I Want to know What they Think about the 100,s of Millions We pay RBC each year to manage the money?
But I don’t think they care cause they don’t get a cut.
It is the responsibility of the people running the company to make decisions that make the most fiscal sense and improve productivity. This mess was created by them!
How can anyone think that paying CUPW a sub par wage, increasing MGMT wage and bonuses and continuing to manage the company poorly will result in any positive outcome?
There are lazy employees because they overhired people and hold no one accountable for their actions of any kind. It’s like a parent always telling their child yes because they are afraid of the child’s emotions when they say no and how upset the child will be so the parent continues to let the child act out.
There are 300 directors and 500 Managers! All of which play the role of bigshot and make no needed changes on a daily bases. We are constantly hiring for no reason other than to employ all the people required in the chain to hire and train an employee.
We are so overstaffed and poorly run that a complete overhaul from top to bottom (15 VP’s & 70 GM’s) is required but as we know this will not happen. All of these people are doing a horrific job and need to be held accountable BEFORE you point the finger at all of CUPW as a whole and blame the frontline worker for everything. We are existing in the environment they have created!
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Well said 👍
Fiscal is taxes (government)……CUPW Made the Bonus Impossible, And Don’t want Any Productivity improvements…..So give management A break…..Irrationality will only get you to the credit Limit !
EXCELLENT COMMENT!! WELL PUT!!!
How can you improve productivity and accountability if you cannot fire or layoff the bad actors in the union?
Exactly.
I work with some of the most unscrupulous and laziest people.
It sucks that the union has protect these fraudster.
This message should be read by the public and the media.
Maybe we should all post it on Reddit or Bluesky.
I stopped using Twatter/X because it’s run by some rich weirdo who doesn’t respect his employees.
trust me. if the public wants it we can access this comment section. i’m not a worker. but i’m reading through and finding more about what’s going on than the damn media is saying. i prefer the inside scoop.
Why do a lot of people comment here to bash CUPW? To please the management or they are the management. Power of being anonymous?
As yourself
Thanks, you too.
I might not support CUPW NEB, regional or local executives, because they have behaved ridiculously bad in representing the workers. However, the 22 VPs and 10 Board of Directors of Canada Post have destroyed the corporations reputation with their unchecked greed and enormous egos.
What Happens to CUPW assets, If Canada post where to Be sold, I can’t rationalize CUPW motives. They own some properties. Who would represent our interest the workers……The retirees Have solid Representation. Follow the Money!
How is any of this even relevent to the sittuation?
Motive is always relevant. You have to get off your one stage thinking!
You have to find other interests. Your multiple comments on this forum show you have nothing better to do with your time.
Most of your comments only serve to divide. Pick a side, us or them and fall in line. Stop playing both sides with your whining
This thinking is the problem. If these two corporations would work together instead of thinking us vs them, then maybe things wouldn’t be run so poorly by both sides.
You talk like my supervisor.
This is funny. You can tell CPC expected rotating strikes with this premade announcement. Nothing about us being on strike….lol
Your assuming they only had Only one paper for one scenario Ready.
I don’t know about that. Canada Post locked CUPW out at 8am this morning and announced it 3 days ago
Canada Post eliminates all benefits and cancels all vacation leave and thinks people will still be working? These decision makers live far from reality so no wonder a deal couldn’t be made.
Employees are not working. What do you expect? Full benefit and pay? If this was a private company and employees do not work, you are fired period. Too many employees abuse the system.
Exactly, the same lazy people abusing benefits and leave.. They need to remove them because we will lose the benefits for ourselves when we need to use them. A few people went on covid paid leave over 10 weeks without having covid, stdp is also abused by the usual suspects but the union defends the lazy and repeaters. In order for us to have decent benefits it’s time to put the repeat offenders on permanent disability and goodbye..
We have no volumes – so we don’t need all the staff – simple logic
Kudos to the union for pushing Canada Post further into decline, without considering the impact on other employees and the company’s future. The company has been struggling financially since 2018, especially after losing major clients because of the last strike. Maybe it is time to consider privatization.
And Kudos to The company that has ‘been struggling since 2018’ for cutting the CEO and managements bonuses on top of their grossly large salaries! Because how could there be money for that when they’re claiming such financial distress?? Or did that not happen, and they continued to receive their inflated salaries while the workers barely made above minimum wage and now they’re crying poor and trying to balance their books on the backs of workers …Hm.
Did you ever consider their pay is higher as they have more responsibility and people to answer to? Those positions require degrees and knowledge. Our role as delivering mail, which I am grateful for, didnt require a degree or education from me. I have much better working conditions and much higher pay than anywhere else for what I do.
Exactly right. Guy who started at 18 delivering the same route for years thinks he is some sort of captain of industry all of a sudden. Managing 800 POC is not the same as running a business. Not too many companies run by the front line employees, for a reason
Whole lot of good those degrees and higher education are doing with a claimed $3 billion loss 🙃
Just because you have a degree doesn’t mean you’re smart enough to run a business successfully. Not saying higher responsibilities doesn’t deserve higher pay but if you ran the company in the ground and you still have a job and giving yourself bonuses? C’mon. CPC manufactured this crisis themselves and the workers out there are paying for it.
Well said
That’s true, when people say this about executives they don’t realize that executives have to answer to everyone , manage people, and have to take tough decisions based on so many factors which if put upon employee at lower tier even like me, I would pee my pants.
Everybody is not uneducated. I know a couple of Ph.D.s working here.
Don’t worry the Conservatives already have it on their minds…CPC will be one of the first companies sold off but I don’t know who’d buy it…
LOL you’re a fool Jonathan
I might be a fool but at least I care about my future.
My late great mother with no education or experience on negotiations could have done a better job and there would have been an agreement on a fair contract that we could all live with. Shame and pathetic all of you.
@on strike you just described our executive and i have no doubt your Mom could have done better…Hire a High School Co-op class…they’ll get it done
As a retired postie( 10 yrs now) I can’t believe how out of touch the top union brass still is. 25% raise over 4 yrs, banked sick days(gave those up 20yrs ago and got paid out) protection against change…….
In the 1980’s we could build forts with all the xmas mail around our cases.Now there is very little mail and Canada Post is losing huge money.
Great bargaining chips. The union heads need to go and get with the modern times where change and flexibility is a thing. Sorry
Pretty sure it was not 20 yrs ago that we lost our banked sick time and we surely weren’t paid out for them
It was 2011 when we lost banked sick days and got the 7 personal days
13 years not 20
Sorry
feels like 20 after being retired for 10,
And yes they gave us a % payout.. maybe the person commenting above used all his and got nothing
It does feel like a lot longer but alas I got a year in the bank that will be my gift to this corp soon enough, as it was for many of my coworkers. No buyout for us. Perhaps you’re thinking of our lost severance package that was paid out a few years previous
The Union still thinks those times exist! They’re bargaining with the 80s/90s mentality🙄
Must be nice. Why are you here commenting?
Unions are a parasite…Look at the USA for example, Every industry they enter wages go up number of employees go down….Leaving Ghost Towns, and the ride down is brutal for people and communities. Look at the Car industry In Canada…..The only reason they survive is the government gives them 10,s of billion of Tax dollars and the number of employees is a fraction of what it was….The only unions that survive In North America are government sector Unions……Yes unions do good things….The only rational explanation for the Strike is CUPW wants Government Money……In the Political situation today is it possible Yes. The Corporation Has rules which they Must Follow…so they can’t give CUPW what they want. CUPW is A short Term thinker, Do we really want Government Money….I’m more of an economist….Canada is Headed for tough Times In 2025 and 2026…The Government deficit is Going to Ballon and the dollar is going to weaken further…..A few decades Ago Canada put a bunch of Bonds on the Market and they went No Bid….They held an emergency Meeting and Jack up rates 2%. CUPW very short Thinkers Indeed……They proved my Point with the 2 year covid extension….Sorry to ramble on But suddenly I have some free time.
FYI company was going to pay out the sick time, but cupw thought that was unfair for staff that didn’t have any sick time left, so settled on around $250 for every employee… PRICELESS
How do you meet 100+ times and come up with nothing?
What’s funnier is both sides bragging about how poor their negotiating techniques are.
I say grab a dozen random people from those that will be posting here today and we can hammer something out by noon on Sunday.
Buy us a nice brunch, we don’t even need a fancy hotel.
They both drew a line in the sand and refused to budge. There has to be compromise and give and take on both sides.
NOV 15, 2024
Is this a “General Strike” nationally today instead of a Rotational Strike? Based upon the email we received today it sounds like a General Strike but it was not called that. Looking for clarification. If this is Rotational Strike, what please are the locations affected by picketing today? Thanks
CUPW announced a national strike.
Excellent