CUPW negotiations update
May 25, 2025, 07:03 pm
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Canada Post received responses to our global offers from the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) on Sunday and will review them in detail.
After almost two years of negotiations, a lengthy national strike and the release of the final report of the Industrial Inquiry Commission, it’s now time for urgency and we will respond in short order. The impact of the ongoing uncertainty on our business is significant, but the impact on the Canadian economy is greater. By the end of last week our delivered parcel volumes were down by 50% over this time last year and continue to drop.
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I am willing to give my union dues to a worthy charity if this neanderthal would stop making sarcastic comments effective now. Go cupw Go. I love cpc
Better than a lockout.
Heres a factoid. Seeing as theres comments about benefits, because union exs are on union leave without pay, cupw provides these members with their own paid benefit plan (used to be green sheilds). And… at 100% coverage! And… while on strike! How nice is that! So much for being on par with the fellow worker . As far as them getting paid while on strike, not sure. Ive heard they are and theyre not. But honestly…. if they were getting paid, i dont think theyd be honest enough to admit it. The struggle continues…..
I believe Canada post workers are behaving like MitcMarner they want so much money yet don’t want to do the work in my area the mail delivery is awful even my mail is not being placed in the mailbox it’s on the grass wet really come on be happy you guys have a job and good pay stop complaining so much be proud Of your job stop making so much demands when you aren giving 100%
We are looking for a fair collective agreement
Just saw the new offer.Make that the final offer. Glad they bended abit. Hopefully we get to vote and or ratify this.
Or do we strike, get dem t back with less later on. 🤔
Where did you ‘see’ rhe offer. In your mind? Or a secret channel of communication only available to you?
The offer has been post on the CPC website, stop being annoying and look it up yourself.
Who blended
There is a misconception that government should guarantee citizens a respectable standard of life….however that standard is subjective..In my humble opinion you have to do your part.Higher your skill set dictates your earning power.Posties like the newspaper boy you get your bundle get your list and updates and there you go.What different in your skill set?Don’t like your situation good luck move on stop crying
I don’t think any employees of Canada Post think the government owes them a living. Sounds like you know next to nothing about the many different jobs Canada Post workers perform. I’m sure whatever job (if you are employed) you do requires incredible education and skill. I’ll bet you earn every cent of your salary. Well surprise, other workers also have a right to ask for improvements to their working conditions and wages. Thank you so much for your contribution to our society and to this Canada Post employee message board. Have a great day and try not to be too angry, it’s not healthy.
For your info was part time po4 for 25 years.was supplementing my income as I wanted a reasonable lifestyle for my family.Yes I know what it’s all about to work at po.Lots of good people lots of intellectually challenged and some downright crooks.eg a guy with friends id swiping for him while he never showed up.Know what he got fired and got his job back
Don’t let cupw and cpc get to you. Cheers on the Edmonton Oilers to won the Stanley Cup.
I will not use personal names or make defamatory comments in this box.
Take the blinkers off my fellow workers.We look at policemen and teachers for comparison when based on qualifications and personal self preservation thankfully we are ahead of minimum wage
Here’s an observation. We here in Toronto at the Plant do not see any portable toilets. Last November we had plenty of them. So that indicates Cupw won’t strike. Unless you wanna do your business on the sidewalk. Um.
I would like to thank Canada Post for showing us what they were offering. If I had my way I would have voted yes. Our Union is out of date and must be crazy if they think that change is not needed. They are stuck in the 80’s. The Union has tied Canada Posts hands at every turn. The crap I have seen co workers get away with is atrocious. The Corporation needs to run a business. I thank my luck starts I have a job that pays good. The last few weeks have been absolutely nerve racking. Not knowing what is going on from our Union. They are supposed to be there for EVERY worker but all theu can think about is 1 group. 1 group that needs to be changed and brought up to date. I wish I could work 4 – 5 hours and get paid for 8. That does not happen in the real world. I hope that Canada Post offers another contract to the Union with a mandatory vote. Let’s get this done. We are losing tons of business.
I agree 100% with you! As an inside worker can I go home after 5 hours and get paid 8? Nope we get moved somewhere else to finish out our shift
Absolutely agree!!
We are ALL to blame
No we’re not, don’t cover up for CUPW.. You’re part of the problem if you’re not blaming the ones who represent the membership.
It’s unfortunate you can’t comprehend and understand the reality of what I speak, which is the absolute truth.
I agree with you, to prevent something from happening, we must All collectively acknowledge it is happening as a first step. Then we can begin to prevent it.
Ignorant national committee member lies.. The union is controlling the situation and we have no say, shake your head a bit next time before commenting such nonsense and defending those who have screwed up negotiations for us all and dragging the RSMCS into our talks.. Trips to Cuba and Niagara falls are unnecessary when we have no contract. Your comment is Blatant ignorance
Keep lying to yourself in your small world…
We’re in the middle of a recession, yet it’s the executives—who claim to know what’s best for us—making all the decisions. How did these individuals even end up in charge? They’re steering the company into the ground, seemingly without concern, because most of them plan to retire within the next two years. Frankly, I’d rather have a circus clown negotiating our contract than people who lack the qualifications and education to represent us, especially when they’ll continue receiving full pay during a strike and then quietly retire a few months later.
DON”T EXPECT THESE PEOPLE TO BE ACCEPTING ANY OFFER. THESE PEOPLE ARE PLAYING WITH OUR LIVES.
Gary….the voice of reason! 😂😂😂😂😂
I Totally agree.
Hey everyone,
Do you still have faith in our bargaining team? Because I don’t. I’ve completely lost trust in them, and I believe their decisions are jeopardizing the future of our jobs.
Let’s not forget—the push to eliminate door-to-door delivery was fast-tracked due to the mess they caused last December. It’s time we all admit that Canada Post needs to evolve, but not at the cost of our future or without our input.
We shouldn’t be blindly following. These executives and our union leadership are speaking on our behalf without genuinely listening to us. This feels more like an ego-driven power struggle than real leadership. They’ve never wielded this kind of authority before, and it’s showing—in all the wrong ways.
If you’re content being a follower, go ahead. But I’m not a follower, and I’m certainly not a puppet for union executives who operate like a dictatorship. Our voices are not being heard, and it’s time we change that. I am not supporting no cause of theres.
Even if you can’t do it, sign your name for overtime. If a strike happens, don’t show up and support it for the 60-dollar strike pay. I have no faith in the negotiating team. I am not against unions, but the team we have are useless and only driven by ego. The problem is our executives and president.
Oh my. G man you are not the sharpest pencil in the box are ya?
Agree 100%. I definitely will not be supporting them if we strike. They’re playing with our lives. If they want support, they could wave our dues for the time we’re out, instead of paying a laughable $60 strike pay, then, collect back union dues missed when on strike. These negotiations are ridiculous. 2 years???? Who ever heard of such a thing? Why don’t they spend their money to hire a professional lawyer to negotiate for us. Someone who actually knows what they’re talking about , instead of some executive that was once a lc and no clue about labor laws. The whole structure of the union is ridiculous. 7, 8 or however many there are, vice president’s?? Why is that necessary?? So all the friends can vacation together?? There needs to be a change, enough is enough.
Yes, CUPW’s expiration date has long since passed. They are a bunch of uneducated bums, who by the way have probably never worked an honest day’s work in their entire lives. They don’t represent me or the roughly 55,000 colleagues of mine.
I was more than happy with the last global offer that the company presented to us. The only issue I might have is the potential implementation of dynamic delivery which would be al logistical nightmare for the company and it would be bad for Letter Carriers as there would no longer be a sense of ownership on walks as one would no longer own their own walk.
As far as part timer’s doing parcel delivery on weekends, this is a must have for the company. The union needs to wake up as the company is virtually insolvent.
Finally I would like to thank the company for giving me an opportunity to voice my opinion. Something my union doesn’t provide me with on their national website.
Oh yeah, as for the people that think I’m not an actual employee, well you’re dead wrong. I’m just a very frustrated letter carrier who is a CUPW member in good standing.
Thank you once again to the company for giving me the opportunity to vent.
Thank you so much for your well thought out post. Your words summarized the frustration of many I am sure. Let’s hope this gets finalized today. Enough is enough.
Great post.
Here are categories if we allowed to vote for contract offer,that’s a big IF… vote 1.
In favour of offer.
2. Reject offer.
3. Combination of 1 and 2
4. Get a life and stop writing these sarcastic comments.
if we dont hear anything from cpc and if nothing is agreeded upon monday will be lock out from cpc. union needs to go useless ppl just taking dues and not doing anything like absolute dead weight.
Yes, all of them are a bunch of uneducated and money sucking greedy individuals who use us as bartering chips
If they’re so uneducated, how might you help them with all your wisdom? Could it be that you are as well?
100 percent. Useless and driven by ego
Where is the 2024 annual report?
I been waiting for a while to hear about it. Thought it could have been the strike in Nov/Dec that delayed the report. However, we are into Q2 and nothing on Q4/24, 2024 full year and Q1/25. Numbers going to be ugly, so why doesn’t CP come out and show it as part of their reasons to make changes.
with Canada Post the Audited Q4 is the only one you can really rely on. With the Stamp price increase and the elections. I suspect it might be better then expected.
Its early to tell but I think mail to businesses Has dropped and maybe registered mail with the 50% price increase.
In economics the gain on price increases if to steep is temporary at best.
The Government needs to table the 2024 Annual Report in Parliament before it can be published. With the election called at the end of March, the House wasn’t sitting so there was an inability to table it. They are sitting today, May 28th, so if our report is tabled, it can be released later today. Q1 will follow suit – the Annual Report needs to be published before Q1.
We need a 10 year contract or people will simple not comeback to a unstable Canada post
Agreed 100%
So, Canada Post refuses a truce of 2 weeks for the union to go over the offer and the union replies 48 hours later only for Canada Post to be silent the next 48 hours? Where is the urgency?
They are making final offer tomorrow and if not accepted by Sunday. Lockout !
Not that watching and listening and laughing at Cpc and Cupw isn’t fun and exciting. Let’s not forget the world DOES NOT revolve around them ,although they’d probably disagree . Let’s think and support the thousands of people who just lost their jobs at Hudson Bay. Thank you to them and The Bay for everything and best in future plans.
Yes and those people weren’t making the wages, getting the benefits we are etc.All the best to them and hope you get a job soon!
I am sorry for the more than half of CUPW members who feel the captivity and their disconnect with the union. During the 2018 strike, I called the Teamsters and asked about the process of having them take over. It is not easy, but it is doable. Nevertheless, having observed for forty years how CUPW operates, it is worth trying. This union will drive Canada post to the ground. They are on a mission of self destruction.
Agreed, it’s time for fresh blood and a union that is for the members, dump the buns CUPW and Teamsters will bring us what we deserve with less union dues..
You called the Teamsters lol. Did you ask them where Hoffa was?
The chances of CP surviving is very small. There are too many working at CP that should have been fired long ago and the people that do their Jobs well, are badgered until they become bad actors.
As soon as I entered my facility I knew something was wrong when during my 3 days of training they said the emergency exits and other safety information would be done on the 3rd day not the first day. I just recently determined that they really don’t care about safety they just act like they do to harass the workers.
CUPW NEB has failed us.
They have no idea how to negotiate for what really matters. Take them out of the equation, give a best offer to members and let us vote.
Make us essential workers and fire all CUPW execs.
The counter proposal that was given by the NEB on sunday to CPC why it was not shared with the members? where is the transparency? why not come to the members and ask to vote for the global proposal that CPC offered rather than decding on their own. Once you question them you are the enemy of the union and is sidding with CPC. This is how pathetic our union is.
we need to get rid of the bureacrats running CUPW. They are the leaches holding the postions for ages with no transprancy. Collecting 5 milion a month, 60 millions a year. In a four year contract time collecting 240 million and paying nothing to the members at strike time. They talk about fighting the boss but for the members we need to fight the corrupt union bosses.
TOTALLY AGREE,
The union is corrupt and should all step down, they must pay for this mess to all the members and Canadians.. Bunch of clowns destroying our jobs while holding positions and never leaving
also totally agree. from local levels all the way up. their communication and urgency are laughable. they are not professional at all. total bullies and part of some club of ‘eh wholes.’ thanks for NOTHING.
look at toronto local, have not seen them in depot or in the plant but they are fast to collect thousands in travel expenses every moth. At this critical time they should be on the floor engaging with members, knowing what we want rather than forcing their decision on us.
I agree we are at bradco fleet never see any1 come up unless there elections time and those are already pre picked the glts tell you who to pick so they can control top to bottom of the union so many acremoniums beside there name but they are not worth any.
Cmon cp , give us a final offer and force a vote , the membership has turned their backs on the NEB long ago , the few thugs running all of us into the ground , they would rather no jobs than a few pt jobs , enough already
Only the government can force a vote, unfortunately.
Decertifying of CUPW and replacing them with teamster will make employees and employers equal.
Here’s an idea. Declare everyone at CP an essential service!
Lol! Essential? Maybe for some Canadians…
Great idea. Should have been done years ago. The essential service can be based on the rural and remote communties that rely on cpc.
I did my 5 ton graveyard schedule in a step van tonight delivering mail to a couple Depo’s!
Is the proposed contract amazing in all ways? No. Is it decent for what we can get in the current economy and financial situation? Yes.
Seriously CUPW, take the deal. I can’t afford to lose more money, I have kids and a mortgage and need a job.
Let me vote and get us a contract!
Lock out next week. My body could use about a 2 week break.
Try 2 months. We’ll be out til September if that happens.
Get rid of the CUPW executive. They are out of touch with members and haven’t successfully negotiated a contract in over a decade. Make Canada post an essential service so there are no more disruptions for Canadians and uncertainty for workers. Make a final offer and let members vote. I just want this to be over with!
We need a new union! These people have lifetime positions and never get the job done. Cupw is not capable of negotiating a contract and we all suffer the consequences
Yes, this is true, the union team has come and said to the news and the members we willnot have to go back to the floor. They just get the raise the benfits.
I’m glad to hear so many feel as I do . I see no reason for members not to have a say in these latest proposals . CUPW give me your reasoning on not letting us vote on these latest proposals . Remember you are acting for us .
Because they want to keep this going on and on…and I think CPC does too! No one wants to be the LOSER!
Looks like arbitration incoming.
Well at least that would produce an agreement. Better than years if negotiating where the two sides meet for two hours once every few months or so and never reach an agreement.
We don’t need , 5 min wash up times, we don’t need new hires to have the same pension and benefits as we have at least not at this moment( new hires , like we that got hired after 2014, have the choice to apply for CP or not) , we don’t need future employees to make 34$ as inside workers ( cap it at 25$)
We need to still get paid per piece NM mail. Not getting paid for NM is disrespectful specially for those breaking their backs carrying NM around.
Also we still need to have the ability to work OT… many need OT to survive in this economy
Okay, new employees should be capped at $25 per hour. But you should still get $34 × 1.5 or $51 per hour. Got it. You deserve it though, because you’re you Lol.
So today you want the 5 minute wash up time gone which totals 15 minutes for each ft route. Well, be assured that in 2028 when your back in this same position it will be the half hour paid lunch cpc will want to take away. That will add another half hour to each route, making the total 45 minutes. Splendid. I guess your future post saying let cpc have it will read much the same. Genius.
Canada Life Benefits 51390
Extended health plan for executives.
Look it up. Top of the dependent update form.
Give us all a fair wage increase and the same dental, pharma, optical etc as the folks in Ottawa
Found it!
Why isn’t this on the table?!?
Found it. Thank you for sharing!!
Please CUPW go after these benefits!!!!!
100% let’s goooooo
Yes please.
Our benefits have fallen behind
For the janitors too right?
Nope.
Wish this was in the report!
Curious what is inside plan 51390
Doubt they have to pay upfront or pay a percentage of anything. Probably 100% coverage and direct billed for everything.
Actually, management employees do pay a shared amount to be a part of the benefit plan, with CPC paying a partial amount
I also not have 100% paid, for example, eye glasses are allowable every four years, after using the covered amount of $300. my personal cost was 900.00 out of packet.
Sounds like your on ours. Probably not high up enough.
Executive plan is different.
Sounds like your not on it.
Yep.
We shouldn’t have to pay upfront for orthotics. Or anything for that matter. How many people go without because they can’t afford the upfront costs!?
This is bang on.
You seem to be operating under the impression that all head office folks get the same benefits as executives. I assure you that most of us do not. We have same or worse benefits than you (depending on their position and/or when they were hired).
This is not to say you shouldn’t fight for better benefits! You absolutely should! I just want to reassure you it really is the tippity-top who make the big money and enjoy the best benefits, unfortunately.
The CA is way way too thick.
Get rid of a bunch of the CA in exchange for higher wages and the executive benefits plan 51390 at Canada Life.
Here in Winnipeg all outgoing services cancelled until we have a deal no mail how long before they lock us out way to go cupw for screwing us again
any new updates?
Canada Post executives are in conflicted of interest since 6 of them are also on the Purolator board of directors.
The IIC is flawed since it failed to mention that.
They have already transferred many of our customers over to Purolator to decrease our parcel volume.
Good job intentionally killing CPC from within.
Being a ceo for the post office and at the same time being a CEO for puralator is conflict of interest that the problem either one or the other not both that why have ceos are to greedy for money and leave over their means
Why doesn’t Canada Post have the guts to make a final offer and force a vote? Why?
CPC cannot force a vote. Only the government can.
CP owns 91% of Purolator , why does the same package to the same address with Purolator cost $200 but only $28 with CP ? I don’t know what kinda scam this whole thing is but you can be sure that’s exactly what it is
As a 20 year employee/retiree, CPC relationship between management and its employees is absolutely deplorable. Working conditions are toxic, with management abuse, theft of employee personel time, collective agreement misuse……without regard or empathy for anyone’s well being.
A change is long over due, but start at the top!
Pls don’t allow us to see the latest offer. For fear we dumb slow workers may understand the offer and accept it. Thank you cupw.
How much are people willing to pay for mail delivery? Do people delivering newspapers and flyers get a pension and $50,000 a year seriously give your head a shake, that’s all letter carriers are.
Come try to do the job… bet you walk away in a few days if not during your first day
It’s unskilled labour and completely comparable to delivering newspapers.
Stop acting like your working in a coal mine.
You go out there and deliver mail all dayong in the heat, freezing cold winter blizzard, and the massive rain falls and tell me if you’ll do it for 35k a year. I wouldn’t
I’m sure you’re incredibly good at whatever job you have. Let me guess, you’re highly skilled and educated and you deserve every penny of your salary. But other people have no right to ask for an improvement to their working conditions or wages? Got it, thanks for your valuable contribution to our society and this Canada Post employee message board.
Fire them all including every executive
Wasn’t it pointed out at the hearings that we have 4500 more supervisors and 3000 less routes across Canada? I hear complaints from CPC that they have more points of call so it is more expensive to deliver. Is anyone listening?
Canada Post: make some changes to satisfy the union, make it a final offer and let’s vote! We all need stability.
All Executives of CUPW
RESIGN NOW
WE NEED A NEW UNION.
WHEN WE STRIKE AND THE OFFER CANADA POST CORPORATION WAS GIVING. WHEN WE RETURNED AFTER STRIKE IT IS WORST .
IT HAS SOME EXECUTIVES IN TORONTO LOCAL CAN HARDLY SEE AND WALK . THOSE ARE THE PERSON WE HAVE TO REPRESENT US . YOU NEVER SEE THEM BUT THEY GET ELECTED
COMMON MEMBERS JOIN WITH ME .
Make it an essential service. That way the union can’t hold Canadians hostage.
They get a raise then the price of stamps go up
What does it matter if a new employee is hired if they don’t get the same benefits as the ones that are already working there for many years have, that’s where you can save money on, as what they don’t have they don’t miss…lucky to get paid sick, paid vacation, personal leave, pre-retirement, and a pension when done! Quit your bloody complaining, plus you’re lucky to have a job! I know what they get, I retired from CPC! They could get rid of half the management, don’t need all those jokers! You could save money there!
I’ve never been part of anything like this between Cpc and Cupw.Being a foreignor from Canada ,working in Mississauga and living in Toronto,this is exciting. Yes I have 3 passports and speak 2 languages English and non English. And 1 very big mortgage. Get a deal now.
The only union in Canada that never lets members vote on a deal…..Cupw negotiation team is not capable of doing the job, we need a real team at the table
I really do not understand this concept. although I am told that over 95% of CUPW members who did get out and vote, voted in favor to allow the union control over the vote.
I am not in a union at the moment but have been, for most of my career, i have found that the only group who stands to gain when there is Strike is the Union.
I am not sure I would give up my vote to let the one who stands to gain the most, the power to decide on a strike.
Not everyone that works for Canada Post is for this lengthy back and forth. I for one want to work and the union needs to take a vote from the workers
Make this happen now…
Two years of negotiations is very questionable!
They only meet once every 2-3 months.
Rumour has it the union says anyone doing OT during the ban will be fired from the company. Since when has the union been paying our wages. If anything we the workers pay them (the Union)
They should fire instead those workers that are constantly making mistakes but somehow are still working
What mistakes are to talking about? Please clarify!
Canada Post owns 91% of Purolator so not conflict off interest, it is called vertical marketing.
excuse me but if Canada post doesn’t warn customers about trapped parcels they will get sued..
By who?
Most useless and corrupt union that exists. Every single one of them should be ashamed of themselves.. ! CUPW is scum..!
CUPW raises its fees every year 5% at least. This year (2025) was 12.4% increase which is $5.7 million income every month. They have been around for 60 years. The union fees are mandatory like or not you pay. People ague that the money is used for training, facilities and negotiation. Ironically, There is absolutely no report or details on where the Billions in collection goes. CUPW and CPC have their own agenda and no one cares for the employees.
The fees should be a percentage of earnings so it’s tied to how much folks work. Some temps barely work so most of the money goes to cupw.
Total joke.
These guys talk about cpc spending money – where did all the dues go??????
Canada Post are overpaid and under worked
Letter carriers get 8 hours pay every week day.
Letter carriers in Moose Jaw have a specific route to finish. Many days they can finish early and the get on the golf course. Good job if we could all get one.
If you think it’s so great and cushy, why don’t you apply? Please enjoy walking around for hours every day in Moose Jaw when it’s -30 for weeks at a time.
Exactly… isn’t it amazing that the customers think it’s such an easy job? Yes, some days it is easy but that’s when we don’t have 5 sets of flyers and hardly any parcels
Why should a LC be paid to deliver junk mail to a house they already have time values to deliver to. You complain about Mgt getting a bonus. LCs get a bonus every time they deliver a piece of junk mail. NM bonus pay is apples to apples comparison to mgt bonus. The biggest issue is the accident rate. If employees made better choices and actually work safe. How about actually show up and work instead of always calling in sick.
Exactly.
These aren’t the workers rights your looking for.
Focus on wages and getting extended health plan 51390.
Canada Post and Cupw are both bloated. Too many unnecessary positions. CUPW should start publishing their financials, so members can see how their union dues are being spent
A whole lot of money going to Cuba.
I’d rather ship with my parcels and mail with anyone thats not run by snail mail Canada post employ ‘s over paid.cry baby’s lay them all off the welfare office is just around the corner
Yes…lay us off so tax dollars are paying us… sounds like Liberal thinking to me! Great idea!!!
Yeah share with us what your proposal is on the flyers
Canada Post is a joke and lying to the public. In 2023 they “lost” 748 million but also somehow spent 743 million on infrastructure and rolling out SSD. The remaining 5 million “loss” was more than made up for in management bonuses
Until Canada Post stops lying there will be no deal.
Imagine if the genius LMCs in this comment section had to deliver heavy packages just like the competition? Tears for years….
The union is so out of tune with your own union members… none of them want to go on a strike.
What you need is an overhaul of the union board…
Or go private… I’m sure A LOT of other companies would GLADLY deliver mail.
Would love to see another company try to deliver the mail… they wouldn’t have a clue how to do it
One strike already within a year. Canada Post is subsidized by the government and tax dollars. How do employees expect higher wages and raises than most others working every day who don’t get raises or benefits? Canada Post is broke and has been for many years, for any other company, that would mean bankruptcy and all employees loosing their jobs. Our area is all community mail boxes for several years now and our postal carrier is done work before 2pm daily yet being paid for a full work week. Each set of 4 boxes only takes between 5 & 10 minutes to complete, that used to be a full days walking route. Sorry but no sympathy here. Rest of us have no benefits, 2 weeks vacation time, less stat holiday days off, longer working hours and less pay also.
We are not paid by tax dollars and if you don’t get the same stat holidays as us… what is wrong with you?
All the money spent in this nonsense of negotiations 2 years ago.should have gave us what we wanted and you would be far better off .keep continuing doing what you’re doing playing games and there won’t be a Canada post .keep up the great work you’re almost there
I got an idea, sell the post office to the union.
Canada Post’s employees simply get paid too much now. It may not be enough but the reality is more and more carriers like Uber and Amazon are popping up and cost half the price and are twice as fast. The argument about working outside and danger is no greater than construction, another of Canada’s larger individuatries. Sorry union, that’s the new reality! I know it’s not fair but you can’t squeeze milk out of a dead cow!
Just another person without a clue … Uber? Really! Amazon? What a joke! Dragonfly delivers Amazon parcels, they get $1 per parcel and work close to 12 hours a day for about $150 if they’re lucky
Government and Canada Post management playing games. theses changes should have done long time ago. union is not faithful to members they are just like politicians
Post office should be reliable and they’re working and I’m happy to get mail from Canada Post everybody need to work okay thank you take care let me deal
Dissolve the Union and get to work. CPC is fed up with CUPW condition of work. Grievance, false claim, refuse to work, accommodation etc etc etc
You must be a LAM trying to retain your bonus
Yes, parcel volume is down but only temporarily. Most companies are seeking out alternatives with a strike looming.
And unfortunately a lot of companies wont come back.And who can blame them? 😕
Still no mention on the CUPW site about fighting for our flyer pay.
Time values for this is a great idea. Better yet. Get the SSD sorter people to collate them so all we gotta do is deliver them.
Focus on wages and extended health benefits.
Just shut Canada Post down forever.
Nobody needs it, everything we do can be done better, faster and cheaper by another company.
Shut the doors, close Canada Post forever, its employees and management is a failure.
Stop being a bunch of old men babies, be glad you even have jobs, enough is enough! Stop fearing Canadians every week. It’s 2025 not 1980 anymore, keep it up and you shall all lose your jobs and they will bring in new workers to replace you.
CPC charges significantly less than our major competitors like UPS, FedEx, DHL and Purolator. This is information that can be independently verified, by typing a parcel dimension and weight into their respective websites, and selecting an originating and destination address. It’s unfair to set prices below cost and then asking your employees to take less pay because we are losing money. CPC will still be the lowest cost option by far even if we were to raise prices by 20%. Just by doing that will erase the operating deficit.
i’m ready to support CUPW members!!
‘Lengthy’. You haven’t felt ‘lengthy’. We are asking for only what we deserve as employees who were deemed ‘essential’ 5 years ago. It’s not our problem Canada post management can’t figure out how to spend their money more responsibly. We are the last people to be punished for that!
Time to sell post office off to purulator or over private corp who won’t up with this unions entitlement. I know one postal worker who has totalled three postal vehicles and still has a job . Lock them out if they don’t strike .enough fooling around with these jokers.
They don’t care what they did at xmas to small business. Companies have moved on now and made other arrangements this postal union is a joke
It’s over for Canada Post and CUPW.
Canada Post and CUPW are nearing its end.
We are all in trouble, from the CEO down to the cleaning staff.
NO CPC no us.
Looks like Purolator might get some more buildings and trucks soon. We all new this was coming.
Management Action Against Harassment and Bullying
I love that CUPW stands up for their workers, not going to take any nonsense or let the employees get walked on,
unlike PSAC also a Canada post union but these employees make much lower wages, less vacation time, hours chopped and can not retire with dignity as they don’t receive a proper pension really pathetic so seeing CUPW protect their clam is amazing and I hope they stay strong and get what is deserved!! This company needs to chop to save BIG bucks!
As retired Delivery Agent i cannot understand the Unions position. The Titanic is sinking ,CUPW received defined benefit pensions for current and new hires , the same benefits and 7 weeks of vacation for senior members as the seniority goes up , the Union keeps the 6 weeks of pre-retirement for the members. The Kaplan Commission made it clear management has the right to manage. The Union wants full-time work , well management is also giving that by making sure that current and future Delivery Agents actually work 8 hours for 8 hours of pay , with the new route systems management is also giving that to the Union because as it sits now many Carriers work 4 or 5 hours and get paid for 8 , would the Union prefer to have management pay for hours worked only or does the Union want to protect full-time work by actually allowing management to do that. Look management has the right and duty to manage, the Unions job is to make sure workers are paid a fair wages with good benefits in a safe workplace and environment.
Canada post is so unreliable as it is…there is fat to trim for for sure not just at the top…I get more flyers then actual mail … most business are ebills…
Find that is a whole lot easier to file then paper….who needs mail delivery…parcels are delivered by couriers for a lot less cost…don’t think there are many $30 an hour couriers…they are happy to have a job…get real for a change…
Send the flyers to purolator
so if you want to know why the union did not accept the latest proposal from management, it’s really very simple, buried deep in the 700+ pages of this proposal, are a number of undefined, unknown items that the company wants the union to accept and that these items will be defined at a later date. What person on the planet would accept that kind of offer? Based off of their last 30 years of actions, you cannot trust these items to be good for the employees.
You guys need to face reality.What are your skills??? A 12 year old can intellectually do your job.where can you go and justify a$30 p/r job based on your qualifications?
😂 I agree
💯%! Peeps on here making their jobs out to be so hard and so important…as if,Been there for years and can do it with my eyes closed
The reason why parcel volumes are down is because you are redirecting all parcels to Purolator.
Just shut it all down. Private companies will pick up their slack for a fraction of cost.
Hey CUPW here’s an idea, how about sharing your counter proposal with the members.
It will be out when it’s ready.
Right?? More and more like a dictatorship everyday
They wont share that. They are bunch of greedy officials inside CUPW.
Canada post has terminated, they are bankrupted and gonna close for good.
It will be privatized.
Why would they do that? It’ll be the same old nonsense…postal banking,senior check ins,future employees that dont even exist yet. 🙄
Agreed
Put the Canada Post Corporation Proposal to the CUPW members for a ratification vote .
A few executives decide what is best for the members.
You had over 2 years.
So stop negotiating for the members.
LET US DECIDE FOR OUR FUTURE.
Hopefully they are asking for improved benefits. Plan 51390 is the Canada Life plan for CPC executives
When you tell customers to move to ebill and ship your parcels with the competitor this is what happens .
Self sabotage.
Do you not read your emails?
Sorry, what do you mean? You don’t like ebills?
They are redirecting parcels to purolator
Unfair practice as ceo of Canda Post is also on the board of Purolator
No, parcels aren’t being diverted. Our customers told us they are going to a cpmpetitor.
Right? And in what world is this not a conflict of interest. If cupw wants to spend dues on lawyers, here it is. And this has been the practice of cpc to have their ceo and other cpc board members sit on the board for purolator for at least the last 20 years. And cupw, to my knowledge, has never challenged this in court or otherwise. Stunning.
It’s not about CEO, Purolator has the largest rural network after Canada Post. By default parcel should go to Purolator due to footprint.
Canada post customers are redirecting their parcels to UPS, FedEx and Purolator to avoid delays because of this potential strike.
Purolator *was* Canada Post, but they were forced to separate to companies… ultimatley removing Canada Post’s profitable arm… the fact they are using them now as an alternative is in now way surprising and expected.
Puralator delivery drivers are lazy and puralator needs to be shut down
Ya should be conflict of interest I would say at the least, tank one company and help the private company you work for flourish and makes you more money
Yes pay us 100k to walk for 6 hours a day. 20 pounds is heavy. What a joke.
Well work things out !!!! This is both side playing games !!!! Crying wolf about being broke .. and ceo and management getting bonus and over spending on new electric vehicles… come one , probably time to fire the top and stop blaming the bottom
Here here
This exactly. It’s even massively contravening Canada posts own internal conflict of interest training.
Totally agreed, they should be fired.
Same could be said about your upper union management. What, 60 months of dues and no deal- great job on your end too.
I totally agree with you. The ceo and other top executives make too much money. Greedy!
Finally
Mentioned about bonus
For management
Let’s get rid of the higher ups who make $ 500,000 a year and hire some people who understand what it’s like to work at the bottom of the ladder. Lots of people need jobs so hire more staff to work weekends.
The statements your making are inclusive of only one side, and incorrect, as CP is not operating to meet fiscal operations costs.
management get bonus for performance based compensation as part of their employment contract, if you are upset about that you should have applied to get a management job, that is if you have the education for it. CUPW gets a bonus daily by working 3 hours and getting paid 8. You are also allowed to work overtime whereas MGT has no overtime opportunity. Stop crying about other employee groups when your group is the one responsible for a majority of the coorporations financial losses.
The electric vehicles are not the problem. Do you realize they’ve spent $120,000 per vehicle on the new C250 that they purchase from a company in the states. They get the equivalent of eight or nine miles per gallon. Work this cost out over a 10-year ownership
That’s right.
Well said stop feeding fat cats!
Your parcel volume is down because your sales reps were out giving deals to businesses to switch to Purolator. Trying to get the public to switch to ebills, so Canada Post can further say that mail volumes are down. Self sabotaging Canada Post to get what you want, is not negotiating.
I agree
Percolator is owned by Canada Post.
No Sales Rep is doing this.
I heard today that big issue was about how to put on compression leggings for the senior check ins ?
“After almost 2 years of negotiations… it’s now time for urgency”. Is this a joke? Urgency is when a collective agreement is about to expire, not 16 months after.
Agreed
Indeed. And Canada post refused to negotiate, so it was put off and put off and put and only when all other avenues had been exhausted did cupw strike last time
We want to work and be rrspected
Really???
Did you read the report from the commission? Flat out says CUPW is the main reason the negotiations aren’t progressing. Want status quo when the world doesn’t operate like that anymore.
Go delivery my mail then
Ok
Parcel volumes are down because you shifted everything over to Purolator as a way to break the union. When you have dedicated emails to businesses calling on them to move to Purolator.
Omg
Disolve Canada Post Canada, fire all the employees and created Canada Mail Services and then let Canada Post to apply for the new agency as part time employees and have one union to do parcels and mail
Ok bot. Lmao 🤣 that works for the corporation
I hope it’s not CUPW.
Your grammar and spelling match the seriousness of your proposal. Very well thought-out.
Destroying good paying jobs for Canadians to rehire foreign workers for cheap, is good for a few to managers but not good for Canada and its economy . Are we Canadians suppose to start immigrating for better opportunities??
Who are you to ramble about somethingy you dont know nothing about. I have beeen there 30 years and my paychecls are almost the same as 30 years ago
Foolishness
That is one of the best solution and I agree with you totally. Also, no more unions
I think you are management and need to retire or be fired yoirself! 😊 how short-sighted are you?
Makes no sense
Why not fire all the executives who are part of both CPC and Purolator?
They have no intention of bargaining in good faith while destroying Canada Post from within.
Unfortunately, they are all too expensive to fire.
We work hard busting our butts to get mail and parcels to our customers.
We make less than the increasing cost of living. Our benefits don’t cover all the medical expenses from the injuries we sustain from the wear and tear we face everyday on the job.
Unfortunately, things are only going to get worse.
I think by the strike. They r pushing an almost broke Canada post into privatizing. Then they’ll all lose their jobs! And so they should. They should be grateful that they have a good paying job with today’s economy!! But, not getting paid for working overtime is WRONG!
The personal volumes are down by 50% because he told all your customers to expect a labour disruption. You’re such dishonest fools.
…Didn’t the union issue a strike notice?
Well make another good offer without the 5 min wash cut and keep all pension the same and offer buyouts to 30 plus year employees let them retire while they can still walk. Remove ssd for anyone who does door to door. ( using the van as a rely box ) and not use it as a space excuse as we all know that’s a joke as even zone manager say you have space but national tells us to do ssd. And for crying out loud put aftermarket ac into the step vans. How many ppl have to get sick or die before you do this. And back up cameras into them as well. You are paying hundreds of thousand to monitor driving how about make it safe make it home time to step up. And put in writing no bonuses to anyone or whatever term you use. ( at risk ) tell a profit is made. Or pay it to 100 percent of everyone including Cupw’s they make you the money doing the work
why dont they also pay u to stay home .Find a new job soft letter carries pay for only time delivery
Well said.
It wouldn’t take much to put ac and backup cameras into those old vans. Nothing wrong with them otherwise. No need to replace. Save millions.
Maybe the corporation shouldn’t have been advertising and offering promotions for customers to switch parcel shipment providers over the last month
CUPW will not except any offer, once again failing its members!!
They just refuse to except reality. Its time to let the members decide.
accept
“accept”
Well now as a letter carrier I’d never finish my walk and go help out a turtle? Not everyone is good at this job and I’m not going to help out those that struggle because Cpc can’t find good workers anymore ? New hires get paid for just doing Color of the day. Flyers and mail ( parcels and packets) sheese sad I’ve seen other full timers take overtime and bring back a portion of their own. That’s terrible. Where is the integrity? This happens and it’s sickening. Shameful. So no to signing. Forget it. Help out others never 👎
Agree 100%, delays delays. Let’s get on with it. They’ll be starting to negotiate the next contract soon and the b.s. will continue. I agree we deserve more money, I agree CPC waists money than cry poor, I also think CUPW doesn’t care, they’re worried about more dues. Both sides need to get it together, let’s put the offer to a vote, have a third party witness when counting the votes and let’s get this done. The uncertainty is hurting everyone.
It becomes ridiculous after awhile. Just as we were held hostage, my sense is that the bloated cats at the top and the union are taking the employees hostage by dangling bait and appealing to their desire for more.
I am totally agree with you for CUPW we are just puppets with no rights to decide for ourselves
The offers will continue to improve or mutually assured destruction will take place. CPC needs to listen to our demands!!!!
You mean accept.
Get er Done!
Just give reasonable offer stop being pricks
They already are paid more than twice the average job that requires no education.
How hard can it be to drive a truck to a box , read an envelope and put it in the right slot. (often times they don’t get that right)
These people drive up to Tim’s or Starbucks and get served by min wage employees or buy their groceries from min wage employees and think they deserve more??!! Haven’t heard anything funnier since Abbot and Costello
You’re parcel volumes are lower because told everyone to ship with purolator.
Is Intelcom/Dragon Fly part of Canada Post too?
“Uncertainty”.
Maybe if you stop telling clients to go elsewhere there wouldn’t be so much “Uncertainty”.. What’s for certain is you are doing this to yourself by not negotiating in good faith.
Your Parcel volumes are lower because told everyone to ship with Purolator
Because Intelcom/Dragon Fly had nothing to do with it. Would love to know your reasoning on why letter mail volumes are down.
Wow, no comments yet! Hope this means a deal will be in sight soon! Nobody wins if job action is escalated! Let’s get it done folks and stay strong all!
After almost 2 years of NOT NEGOTIATING with CUPW, now you want urgency ?
Where was your urgency over the previous months and months? You walked away from negotiations several times, where was your urgency then?
You waited for the shameful report from W Kaplan, where was your urgency before the report was presented to you?
Words are cheap. Lets see some real negotiating action for a change. We have heard the sky is falling story for long enough, time to stop telling tales.
NEGOTIATE NOW
Negotiation=give and take, not just take. I have access to see the volumes and the sky is falling, this is not a fairy tale. It’s funny that the union had hoped for Kaplan would buy what the union was selling however he was more intelligent then that. I am a CUPW member.
Did you read Kaplan’s report? Calls out CUPW for main reason why negotiations are failing. Walking away from a party who can’t realize times have changed and they need to arrive to the year 2025 and look forward…does CUPW see the need for true change? Does CUPW realize if there is no work there are no jobs? Stop trying to tell CPC how to make money and look in your own house first on where you can help.
This is first and last comment. I have a life!
Are you sure?
🔥aaah
Hey Cpc and cupw both are equally to blame. You can look over offers and counter offers and later next week. Most of us aren’t so gullable to believe the results will be any different then in the past. Enjoy the hotel ,food ,drinks, and all the amenities We are prepared to be disappointed,yet again.
Force a vote and leave it up to employees it’s easy put cupw in there place
Both parties are to blame for this, a complete embarrassment for Canadians and the workers of Canada Post. This should have been solved a year ago. Mgmt should be fired and the union should have an election or possibly a new union. There are many ways to fix this while still treating workers with respect and remaining profitable and providing regular service (less service than 5 days a week) to all Canadians.
It’s time for urgency and will respond in short order. It took over 2 yrs ,a strike ,loss of credibility,respect and trust from businesses ,public not to mention workers and urgency has now set in with short order response. Lol,how come CPC and CUPW you didn’t have this urgency and short order response 2 yrs ago. You’d be way ahead with a signed contract and kept credibility,trust and respect. Oh silly me was I making too much sense in this senseless situation. Yes!
We’ll give you all the time you need to throughly review the offer
What’s taking so long? Where is your response? Don’t you know that after two years of negotiations, we don’t have time for a “pause”, so we won’t agree to one!
Maybe if you guys haven’t switched your business to purolator… those parcels would be with you
Same guy posting the same comment 50 times, doesn’t make him sound any more credible or intelligent.
I hope that the two sider are getting close. I sure hope that the outstanding issue that will hold us up isn’t sick leave that the union insists upon. I think that the current 13 days are better then the unions sick leave that you may need a note for. Today not everybody has a family doctor, much less one that gives out sick notes.
Come up on the issues a bit. Get rid of the crap (i.e. 5 min nonsense, COLA, flyer changes). Make a final offer and force the vote!
All of this!! Get us a contract already!!!!
CupWoke has got to go!
Employees want to work! Please let’s get this done quickly, respond and let us vote!
What CP can scrap and that we as LCs don’t care about:
1- 5 min wash up time
2- same pensions , benefits for future employees and same pay rate for future inside workers ( nobody pays 30 plus $ hour for inside workers)
Worry about the workers you already have first.
What we still want and need, don’t scrap:
1- NM per piece pay
2- the ability to still work OT
Omg… scrap the the 5 minute washup? Do you know what your saying? Thats giving up 15 minutes per route. You get 3 5 minute washups per day. And if you get rid of that you can be sure cpc will turn that into 30 minutes. I guess you want longer routes and less ft jobs. Im glad your not at the table.
Yes,
I’m an LC, and I want the reverse of this comment. I don’t care about the wash-up time; that can go, and just because nobody pays a decent wage for inside workers doesn’t mean we should too. Separate plans for pension and benefits mean higher costs to you.
Dreaming. Get used to working a full 8 hours like the rest of us. Lazy LCs. No other companies allow you to work half your shift and get paid a full day.
Speak for yourself, much??
I ABSOLUTELY care about future employees, just like the past employees cared about US!
Let’s get this done. Hopefully the union response made sense and we don’t get locked out
Well now. Seriously as an urban walker. I’d add you are too top heavy. Yes you need direction in a company.. but one president works. Paid well because we all need a strong leader to lead us ALL. The whole body. Let’s think about money. Ok ok it’s all about frontline workers. On the street and our inside workers handling the mail and parcels. But the rest ? Why not think that over. How many managers and superintendents and supervisors and and does Canada Post really need ? There’s a lot overkill waste As you Canada Post review offer say what you intend to do. With others as well. Then we can feel like you’re really thinking about the fall of mail parcels. Come on trim the excess upper. Just saying. But you already know
Have you ever walked inside of a plant? There’s hundreds of cup w workers walking around doing nothing. If we fired 50% of management and above, at the corporation would still be in the same situation. We need to trim inside workers not management.
absolutely clueless comment, you have no clue how a corporation is ran nor do you know how many manegement employees there are or are required. CPC has already trimmed MGT employees, you do not even know that because you are not educated on the subject. get your head out of your ying yang.
@Hope I find it funny you don’t mention the thousands of CUPW inside workers walking around all day doing nothing. We don’t need to trim them?? If we let go of all the educated people in Management who is going to run CPC? The high school dropouts? Get a grip, don’t be mad because you cant make good money and this is the best you can do for a job