CUPW negotiations: Focused on securing our future
September 9, 2024, 03:01 pm 260 comments
Canada Post continues to negotiate with the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) to reach new collective agreements.
These negotiations come at a critical juncture for the company as we work to modernize, transform, and get back on a path to financial sustainability.
In the coming days, CUPW-represented employees will receive a new mailing containing a letter from Susan Margles and a summary of the four principles guiding our discussions at the bargaining table. You can view a PDF of the mailing.
Our guiding principles are about the future of Canada Post and the growth of our Parcels business. They’re about securing the flexibility to fight for our future, ensuring we can win and retain business in today’s highly competitive market. Our focus is on securing the future of this important national service while doing right by the people who provide that service each day. Our principles are to:
- Strengthen our position as Canada’s delivery company
- Secure our financial future
- Create flexibility to win and keep customers
- Remain an employer of choice
We remain committed to negotiating collaboratively and with mutual respect. Canada Post aims to achieve these objectives through negotiated collective agreements with CUPW, without any labour disruption.
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Canada post lost a ton of contracts last strike , and now they are blaming us and crying broke as usual , yet they all got bonuses as usual for poor performance , supervisors and CEO’s alike , it’s a joke .
This time we need a real strike not a rolling ridicules strike .
An advise to save CP.
Instead of watching the employees. You should check the mail first.
It is impossible to make a profit in Canada Post with all the ghosting mail and the fraud in the mail stream.
I wish see a postal system with centralized and professional in Canada.
Please modernize Canada Post.
Global OFFer is a global joke. CUPW we dont accept. 10 % in 4 years what a joke. STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE
I believe this will be worse than 2011. We came to work, no notice, just a note on the doors of the depot. We went home and had to hear through the media that the company locked us out.
Remember Thursday make some noise 😂😂 CUPW has zero ideas.
New article out by the globin mail that they should privatize canada post. It will be interesting to see where public opinion stands.
Audit CPC and the management got paid pandemic pay, why not LC? This is crazy we face the people.
An internal audit is required to see as in why the losses are this high and where is the money going towards. Why are the managers and ceo getting bonuses at this loss of financial as cpc is describing.
Yes
If your not going to do the job then you do not deserve to work. Too many workers own a position but do not come to work. They just want to be on the Canada Post list in order to collect benefits. It’s time to cleanse all of these people.
That’s the truth, until these entitled “workers “ are replaced we will never be effective and able to compete with the competition!!
CUPW needs to earn their dues and do something about this
I couldn’t have said it any better than that.
Strike Strike Strike….
You go alone. I got a morgage to pay.
quick question how will you pay your mortgage when ur pay is still the same while interest climbs. Fighting for a wage increase or going on strike is the only way to secure a better future at present for the future.
Please don’t waste our time with rolling strikes. Just strike from one end of the country to the other starting Nov 4.
Please do not accept anything…Strike is the only way.
They scared away business on purpose, telling Amazon we could take their business, then showed them how we built our system.
In every previous negotiation Canada Post has presented for everyone to see a GLOBAL OFFER!
What happened? Where is this offer? Please Canada Post please I am waiting! CUPW its not that I don’t believe you in what you are telling us but come on. Every other union has used the media in dire times such as this why has CUPW not done the same?
Today, Canada Post presented global offers to CUPW for both the Urban and RSMC (Rural and Suburban Mail Carriers) units. CUPW-represented employees will receive one of two mailings to their home summarizing key proposals: one for the Urban bargaining unit and one for the RSMC unit.
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The future od the postal system involves future weekend delivery. Who ever think it’s a roll back get your head out of the sand. It’s called hire pt and casual staff to deliver on weekends.
Of course! Many will jump at the opportunity to work part time and deliver parcels on the weekends! One thing they have to fix is union dues that a part timer would pay – it needs to be based on hours worked – that’s only fair.
Yes!!!
Too much $$. Dues for casuals
We are trying to pay our bills too!
Let us work in the plant and LC!!
I heard CPC’s final offer is one extra pizza party and a pin…
Canada Post needs weekend parcel delivery at regular pay to compete with the competition. Get it done and get rid of those who are unable to deliver their routes daily – it’s a job not a charity and if they cannot perform their duties then 👋 bye bye!
No rollbacks. Weekend work at straight time a rollback.
Lol, you’re in for a surprise 😲
💯 too many people playing the system
100% agree! Too many slack workers benefiting from the union representing their unreal work ethic!! Fire them, keep the good workers…half the problem solved!
Great job Canada Post! Net Debt is down almost $300 million this year so far (as of June 30, 2024)!!! If we are debt free one day will management stop lying to us about our dire financial position?
We are waiting to see what both sides are proposing. Let’s see the proposals. Enough with the delays let’s get a deal done.
I don’t think you understand. The company is not proposing anything. Just cuts. No deal will be done. Get ready for a strike or lockout. This is what they want
How would you know? CUPW😂😂😂
Okay enough for the negative comments. LETS GET A DEAL DONE! AMEN
I’ve been around longer than you. APOC. Most of you are only a few years green. Being fed their propaganda everyday. I was around for 2011, lockout then force a worse deal from the government than proposed….there is no future for you on either side. Glad I’m out soon, and taking my money with me!
CPC can start chopping insane contracts with external contractors! I know for a fact these contractors charged massive fees for their services in Cleaning, plumbing and electrical.
Specifically in the GTA.
Wishing both parties to come to an agreement before any labor disruption.
Is the employer really negotiating in good faith if they haven’t made a new wage offer in a year since bargaining began? Or was their plan all along to wait until the feds bail them out (again) with more binding arbitration? The same feds, mind you, whose brand has been irrevocably tarnished after they forced the rail workers back to work.
How can they offer a wage if they are going to run out of soon. I wouldn’t be surprised if they will lay some of us off soon.
lol. You believe they will run out of money. They just spend it to say they don’t have any. They bring in $6 billion a year. They have already been told by the government to halt spending. No one is fooled. Except for the foolish
Is it true that Canada Post wants to take away the DB pension and implement the DC pension?
Some of us are on a single wage, trying everyday to get ahead. I myself might jump ship and I’m fairly aware I’m not the only one. Inflation is putting pressure on mortgages, bills and groceries.
I wish both parties come to a common sense agreement. The results of these negotiations Absolutely in limbo at this time but I know for a fact that external contractors make insane money with their cleaning, electrical and plumbing contracts.
Why?
CPC must renegotiate these contracts asap with external contractors before asking their employees sacrifice wages and benefits!
New management get way more than the Postal Workers plus bonuses for the work Postal Workers do. We need more Postal workers to keep up with deliveries – not more Supervisors who intimidate Postal Workers who get $22.00 hour. It will not last at that rate. Postal workers time is just as important who work more for less. There has to be a balance. Without the customer – there is no business.
More postal workers to delivery what mail?
Not to deliver mail. So Canada Post can accept more contracts and deliver parcels on weekends. Canada Post said no to Amazon contract bcs they could not keep up with the demand. End result is, Amazon took all their business away. CPC lost everything. That has added to the loss….
The management in CPC as old as a Roman Empire. They need a fresh faces at the management level. They need a fresh faces at sales and marketing department. They need new ideas. To grow this company.
The 700 million they spent on Albert Jackson Depot it is an investment not a losses.
very poor work ethic of some is ruining it for others
mentality of the workers CUPW N MGT must take responsibility
look at Toyota!!
Oshawa used to be a powerful blue collar town . Where is the AUTO INDUSTRY TODAY?!$ their union president sold them out , bribe after bribe
if it looks like a duck
if it walks like a duck
if it quacks like a duck
it’s a ¥£€><~^ DUCK
we need productive people, at all levels , not ducks
bring mirrors to the meetings, look into it, fingers down
too bad Apoc AND Shift 3 Managers dont have to be accountable for their time.
lm sincerely hoping both parties will be bargaining in good faith we need to hammer out a deal
The company is in bad financial condition right now. Any raises given to employee’s will come from debt money. Reintroduce CMB to all areas, implement 2nd day mail delivery and deliver parcels everyday. That will reduce staff which is what needs to happen. Postal banking is not the life raft the unions are preaching. Lay off half the staff and give the other half their 20% raises-only way I see it happening. To do that, the unions will need to be broken and contracts totally re-written to reflect today’s mail service needs. Long term employee’s get 7 weeks of holidays, weeks worth of pre-retirement days, 10-11 stat days and then there is 10 personal says. How can any company give all of that and stay financially afloat.
Why always talk about staff reductions from worker side? What about the bloated executive and management positions. Do you know how many executive and management positions there are and how do you continue to pay bonuses to them when they lost over $3 billion in 6 years. You would think that they would have been walked out after the first billion lost
Reducing everywhere is the only solution. It’s not to be mean but it’s for the survival of the postal system.
How ya gonna reduce CUPW members when company relies on casual employees every day?
replace cupw? Temps are CUPW… if the Seniors leave I am pretty sure the Temps will quit!
Purolator can take over – CUPW locals Officers will remain of course – 7 day delivery is fine – trade with your friends like you always do – or call in the Temps! These are the only practical solutions left and Management hates it! We could manage without their imput! Daily! Customers are happy to get anything from Canada Post? Its no big deal – Management go overboard!
By going CMB’s and delivering mail every second day we won’t need as many cupw people holding the prosperity of the postal system.
We need casuals because of all the days off employees get.
CPC has Purolator but what does CUPW have?
Customers can go elsewhere if all else fails. They want dependable services for a reasonable price. Prefers Public Services over Private ones as this is the demise of our economy. All Govt Services have flipped over to Private Enterprise with less savings for consumers.
And less service too! This is what we can expect. Deal or No Deal!
Company relies on casual employees because of all the personal days for golf they get
CPC has Purolator but what does CUPW have?
CUPW has a job with CPC that’s what-at least for now. Attitudes like this are part of the reason the Company is on the trouble it’s in so don’t go blaming management for the whole problem.
Agrees … they could save thousands by getting rid of the middle guy! APOC plus!
We need people to work – not just pick us part…. if everyone does the same work how can they not figure this out?
Less Management – reduces the costs- minus their bonuses.
The more they complain – the less that gets done – they are not saving anything – costing the Corporation big time as it delays the process further. It adds up – and this takes time away from employees – who go out and do the job daily.
let’s find a quick solution regarding cuts
cupw dues?!$
what does $140,400,000.00/yr get us?!
WHAT? the threat of what?
i keep less and less of what i make
I pay the highest union dues in the country I wish I didn’t.
What do people get for walking the picket line? I don’t think it’s very much I hear. Do we get paid if the company locks us out?
I would agree that CPC is a huge Corporation who own 7 Companies – if one goes under they will invest in something else.
They own Purolator. At one time paid reasonable – but now it is Temporary Workers for 3 hours a day. The hiring is continuous as people need more hours to survive. They provide a low cost service for a big profit but working class poor do not qualify for profit. The American/ Canadian dream has failed in Canada because the Govt’s rely on unskilled labour instead of educated skilled labour to complete the job! Once the Regular Employees leave – they will go after Apoc next – which is what they don’t realize. Instead of eliminating the higher ups – they have removed the middle class again – leaving the working class poor and those below the poverty line. Capitalism has failed the people of Canada just like Micheal Moore predicted it would.
Those who collect their pensions while continuing to work will go first – as CPC has continued to pay salaries & pensions with reduced productivity levels due to less volumes.
Can’t say I blame these employees for gathering all the nuts before they leave on behalf of the Crown – but it certainly hasn’t
helped the scenario which goes undetected by Unions who fight for more fulltime positions with less volumes and increased pay for workers who choose to ignore the reality, that your job will end for You and all others – without consent. The corporation has been sweeping up in a hurry now to start fresh with unemployed, unskilled labour who are reliant on money to live but nothing else.
Or maybe we should have walked out half of CUPW due to lack of product to deliver yet we havent-not yet at least. This contract will be an eye opener I think. P.C government is just around the corner and they will be tough on the entire corporation top to bottom.
You would still need about 75% of the work force. But getting rid of 25% would be enough. Most of that can be done from management and retirement buyouts.
Postal banking would work, unfortunately the Canadian banks have far too much power and will lobby the government relentlessly. They feebly attempted to provide loans through CIBC, but I’m sure this has been scrapped
They might have dropped the CPC banking for Rural, instead expanding greener pastures into the Green Economy which is mostly supported by Business & Govt. Taxing the people, decreases emissions from gas cars into Electric for a healthier planet – provided by Private Enterprises who can afford to invest in the economy while profiting off the products.
Only hole in this is the fact that all what you said is negotiated on. It’s years of contract negotiations. Breaking the contract and doing whatever they want would end up in court. Only way around this is to privatize it. Whatever company takes that on will also have to be subsidized to deliver mail and parcels to rural and remote places up north. The USPS has the same issue delivering to the Keyes. Wages don’t support people to live and work for USPS in the Keyes. Canada Post issue is mail and parcels have to be flown in.
It’s just too complicated to scale back. They would have to run it into the ground and have Purolater, whom they own, pick up the parcels and Canada Post be dissolved and restart under a new government name to just deliver mail and packages.
My guess is that you never delivered a piece of mail in your life. Walk a day in the letter carrier shoe. the company is loosing from management who sits and do nothing , too many supervisors following micromanaging employees, then take too many cigarette brakes to get their bonus. who is going to Deliver mail every other day?
Seriously!!!!!!!
CPC can start chopping insane contracts with external contractors! I know for a fact these contractors charged massive fees for their services in Cleaning, plumbing and electrical.
Specifically in the GTA.
Wishing both parties to come to an agreement before any labor disruption.
I suggest you get a negotiated deal done without any lock outs or strikes. You will loose a lot of junior employees. Nobody here in Vancouver can afford 1 day off. Many are already looking for other jobs after the bleak outlook and horrible my management of this company.
Actually this is exactly what will happen and what I hope will happen, sorry. The company keeps wanting to have people on call, now working weekends, changing the hrs it takes to qualify for a raise, and keep people on the bench, with barely any work. It never was like this before. As a 20 year employee, I just keep getting more and more overtime, because the company will not pay good wages, and cannot negotiate any secure jobs, so people leave and we start all over again. I love these games…
25 yr employee here as well who takes all the ot I can as Canada Post cannot maintain casuals. Not sure what the answer is to this. I prefer to bank my time for time off but hard to get as managers have right to say no. Call in sick I hate to do….but I helped out, did all the ot to help out so should be able to use it. Tough to keep casuals unless they get hours and good wage…very understandable.
Yes!!
They can call you back when they have a deal! Why waste your time?
Corporation will decide when they want to.
What is the true cost of “carbon neutral shipping”. I’m all for transitioning into a green future, but buying high quality carbon offsets and promoting this seems to me and most of my business customers as green washing??? It’s laughable. And at what cost?? I’m not driving an electric truck. Kinda putting the cart before the horse..
they were advertising this on Reddit and other social media sites and the comments were all negative..
Typical crown corporation… Zero accountability. Also what happened to the so called postal banking with CIBC?? Seems like another failure.
Just more profits on the back of Canadians… although the Rural residents needed it as they have no banks … cpc could have opted in big time – but they have other plans I guess.
Can someone explain to me how a company loses $3billion in 6 years and the entire upper management team still has a job? Never mind still keeping their position but getting bonuses on top of that yet a carrier redboxes a couple letters and gets suspended. Mind blowing to say the least. Any other company that lost $3billion in 6years would have a top down restructure guaranteed. Didnt anyone sound alarm bells when the first billion was lost? Didnt anyone try putting together a plan to stop the financial bleeding? In my view…CPCs financial mess falls solely on CPC upper management. CUPW members just recently received a letter from CPC stating the financial mess that they are in and (if you read between the lines) it sounds that they are preparing CUPW members for a ridiculous offer that they expect us to ratify. In closing…do not be fooled by the propaganda that CPC is pedalling. Be prepared for a lockout sometime around the beginning of November then be legislated back to work a couple weeks later. It will be a tuff 2weeks for CUPW members no doubt. CPC will try to divide us but brothers and sisters, this is where we must all stick together and show CPC that we will not take the responsibility of their financial mismanagement. Peace to all
Sounds like CPC wants to move on with Purolator. They have enough money… to move on with or without us I guess. They will be delivering more parcels this xmas. Is any one really surprised?
that is why PUROLATOR IS HERE
Not many people realize that we move a lot of product around the county via Purolator’s cargo plane network. Canada Post doesn’t have its own. We use Purolator and CargoJet
yeah…. saving money on labour comes first instead of cutting management and apoc – who will have nothing to do – if they lock us out?
Can it get any worse? Corporation in charge pleads poverty – well its up to them to negotiate in good faith – start cutting upper management if you need extra funds? They always wait until the last minute instead of agreeing to disagree and sign. We never come out ahead .. the more money you make the more taxes you pay. Better working conditions like more options and less aggression from Apoc and Management would go along way too, instead of interrupting the services as planned. It is unwanted and uncalled for – if you want to keep your customer base happy.
We aren’t seeing any details about the negotiations. Just platitudes from the company about securing the future and from the Union about protecting workers. I’m all for improving efficiency and keeping up with the competition, but the bottom line for me is that we have taken a substantial pay cut due to inflation. I won’t be supporting any contract that doesn’t restore our pay losses over the last three years and raise our wages going forward to ensure that we aren’t taking a pay cut.
We have no choice, up to the union basically.
How about cutting from the top and leave the people on the front lines alone. Canada Post needs to put their big pants on and ask the Government for flexibility in their delivery model. Stop door to door delivery for mail and CMB all of Canada. Go back to parcel delivery drivers and cut some of the workforce on the plant floors. Stop hiring so many supervisors, most just stand around with nothing to do anyways. Every Canada Post employee should make the same rate of pay, benefits and pensions in order to retain a happy workforce.
Simple stuff. Just ask the front line workers about the waste they see every day. Maybe we should be running the company.
striving to get those parcels out and still no pleasure from APOC/ SHIFT MANAGERS!
The collective agreement should be over in 2 weeks instead of 2 years..
they drag on & on & on like Postal Workers are to blame.
They are to blame, because CUPW just wants the pie in the sky
Unfortunately the Union Support has dwindled locally with less representation in the workplace – allowing workers to do whatever, whenever just for a buck Which allows the Corporation to reduce its capital spending on labour to increase profit. This is the reality today.
Honestly, since I was a letter carrier 25 yrs ago and still going…I see the downhill spiral. Carriers look terrible wearing sweatpants ect instead of uniforms….are they told not to??? Nope, management scared of a grievance. Do letter carriers I work with deliver all their mail, attemp signatures ect…nope. I take pride in my job always have and will continue to but the lazy ones keep their jobs because they are in a union. So to me our union has its pros absolutely but alot of cons.
Definitely too many managers as well…we don’t need 4 in a small city…crazy. Very disheartening watching the poor performance of new hires….pride of job is gone.
By doing less they hope for more? – which isn’t right either – They want to eliminate the lunch hours too with flexible time. Which isn’t a problem if you only work 6 hours? I don’t know any LC that stop for lunch anyway.
The average joe doesn’t get paid for lunch and doesn’t take one unless they have to. There is many strategies to save money. Cannot expect support from members when members have little support from CUPW Stewards. So sad that it has gone this way…. National is on their own I guess with Regional. They decide not us. We continue to pay dues for their representation. Shout out to National and Regional! Lots of work ahead!
I have to agree with this post. Don’t forget the letter carriers who only deliver there letters 3 days a week . Management is blind or just lazy to investigate or to scared too… Its time to switch to super boxes in the city.
I have yet to see anything resembling a comprehensive offer, did I miss that ?! My understanding is that CPC has made zero wage offers to this point. CPC please get serious about negotiations and stop expecting the government to bail out YOUR mismanagement. The flexibility you keep begging for is a simple fix…create jobs and positions in those areas and see how fast the union comes on board. Continually asking front line employees for concessions is not a sound plan !!!
There is no need to push us back – as the volume will drop immensely.
CPC never takes that in to account – shutting the doors is not very smart in these times. Pay and benefits – The private sector has caught up in trades etc. Minium wage jobs get nothing – Years ago – students worked part time jobs – but have been replaced with unskilled labour creating more poverty.
DB defined benefits employees should work harder than
DC defined contributions employees
DB is guaranteed their pension
DC is guaranteed nothing if our contributions are mismanaged!!!!!!!!!!
The Canadian Government and Canada Post executive management has to take all accountabilty for the ongoing failure. Too many issues with all the wrong solutions. Just a lot of lip service. How can any company succeed if their hiring and promotions are not based on hiring qualified people.? We had university educated employees working as clerks/letter carriers but then we started promoting the underqualified workers to supervisor and management roles and even higher. There are many recent hired supervisors who do not even have a competent knowledge of the English language let alone other necessary qualifications or competencies. I will leave it to your own minds to decide how or why they have been hired or promoted. You reap what you sow. Things are not what they seem throughout Canada Post.
It is so obvious. That’s the truth.
The letter carrier should have a day off in the Family Day, in Ontario. As some of the business are closed, the letters can’t be delivered, and it is sometimes challenging to “borrow” the washroom that day.
Cupw get a bonus for neighborhood mail. Should be zero.
Interesting. Although, management calls flyer pay a “bonus” on your paycheck, you do realize that it is actually pay in lieu for not getting time values for those points of call, right? Are they weighed and included in the volume counts during a restructure?
Regardless nobody should get a bonus! Should be flat rate per hour for all employees. Cancel the bonus and all nonsense. Build routes for 8 hours or cut the pay for thoughts who clock out early.
Boeing factory workers strike for first time since 2008 after overwhelmingly rejecting contract
Workers at Walmart warehouse in Mississauga, Ont. vote to unionize in a Canadian first
job security = consumer confidence
30 years later,, retire
ceo’ retire after 5 years of service
It’s sad that upper management got their jobs because they were highly skilled. Yet they can’t plan for a company future. They lose money faster than any other company. They blame their failures on the successful delivery employees. How can we succeed with such failures at the top? I sign my name Random, well that’s your new name for such a successful employee who has never failed at this company like upper management fails me on a daily basis every day. Talking about losing money. Why do I have a $6000. Battery on my dock, right at this moment, for a forklift I don’t have? Weird, wondering where the money is going???? Must be those pesky delivery people………..
STEADY. STEADY. STEADY
HOLD. HOLD. HOLD
UNITY. UNITY UNITY
Amazon hikes wages for contract delivery drivers as union pressures grow
PUBLISHED THU, SEP 12 20242:39 PM EDTUPDATED THU, SEP 12 20243:17 PM EDT
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Annie Palmer
@IN/ANNIERPALMER/
Amazon is hiking its average national pay for contracted delivery drivers to roughly $22 an hour, up from $20.50 an hour.
The increased rates will support Amazon’s delivery-service partners “in their efforts to recruit and retain high-performing teams,” the company wrote in a blog post.
It comes as Amazon faces a renewed unionization effort among its delivery workers.
JEFF BEZOZ took BILLION$ and ran
employees left holding Amazon together
“High performance teams” that’s what Canada Post needs to do. Reward its efficient employees and get rid of those who are not.
Canada Post could drop 20% of its staff including supervisors and the mail and parcels would be delivered more efficiently than today. The incentive would create happier employees and nothings worse than having a coworker making the same as you and intentionally trying to sabotage his own company!
It’s time for cupw to take a walk in the snow.
Yes CUPW needs to walk away far away.
Wonder where they spent the millions in dues???
Cupw votes against any reform to make the post office profitable
Local representation hardly exists – you have to go to regional or national and they don’t have the people. They want to protect us every 4-6 years and the rest of the year…you’re on your own.
Not that stable as the collective agreement is only good if you stick to it – otherwise you are hooped. So many try and the rest don’t care… until it no longer exists or they afford it the fees.
Lots are away now due to chaos everywhere.
I agree!
Please communicate to CUPW members what agreements have been reached and what are still outstanding in terms of key demands and concessions from both sides so union members have a clear understanding before participating in the upcoming strike votes between mid-September and early October. Otherwise, union members will only have an one-sided perspective presented by the union leadership.
Yes please. I would also like to know what the sticking points are and what has been agreed to so far. A strike vote should be an informed decision.
Urban operations are fine. Temps and RSMC’s lag behind.
Going against Postal Workers all the time doesn’t help morale.
Flexible work hours beats standing around all day like some? You lose benefits but the benefits aren’t huge now anyway – they have all been reduced. The more employees ,the less benefits.
Canada post is currently trying to update its delivery system and trying to be faster delivery company. I have been employee for seven years and I delivers to CMBs in the neighborhoods. On and average the parcel stays in the box more than three to four days. Do we really need faster delivery? research needs to be done in this area. We can’t just copy amazon, because amazon has a different model, i.e. selling and delivering. I think our customer needs an accurate delivery then faster delivery.
To justify dynamic routing, I have heard CP argue that people only pick up their mail every few days from community mailboxes. People only pick up mail every few days because they do not want go out of their way to walk or drive to a community mailbox that is likely jam packed with useless admail. I deliver door to door and 95% of people clear their box and their parcels EVERY day. It is a matter of convenience. Also people who visit my customers from community box neighborhoods often comment to them and me…how lucky their friends and family are to have retained daily door to door service.
CPC please provide an explanation as to why the Companies 5 year plan has not been approved by the Federal Government ? For the past 5 years? Yet in that time frame the company has managed to destroy the public postal service?
Please explain that before you cry broke on a public platform
It’s disingenuous for Canada Post to post these very vague demands brought to public.
There is no disclosure to the public of why Canada Post is not as profitable as it would like to.
1- Lets start by within 2 years the CEO declined our parcel margins from 69% to 29% of profit share. The front line employees delivered that profit share & CPC CEO sabotaged it.
2- CPC has been increasing supervisory, middle management & upper management positions. Positions that require NO education other than a GED yet pay $$80,000+ per year.
3- CPC places incentive bonuses on NOT reporting injuries or work place incidents
4- CPC paid ALL Supervisory, middle management and upper management “hazard pay bonuses” but did not offer 1 penny to its 65,000 front line workers.
5- Canada Post has stopped serving communities, closing Rural Post Offices, creating a 1-800 number to call , local communities cannot even contact the local post office by way of phone- bcs Canada Post isn’t community minded.
6- CPC should disclose the costs each year spent on grievance resolution because they blatantly violate workers rights under the collective agreement and Labour Code and have instead flooded the workplaces with Supervisors and managers whom harass, bully, belittle and discriminate against the front line employees.
7- Canada Post has wiggled out of employer portion to pension contribution , yet handed out bonuses.
8- Canada Post always cries broke at negotiations , but is never honest and has relied on having the federal government to intervine undermining the negotiations process by law.
9- Canada Post supervisors violate “conflict of interest Policy “ on a daily basis – yet are never held accountable.
10- Canada Post supervisors stalk employees and EX employees and harass them out in their communities.
11- Canada Post NEEDS as Forensic Audit and needs to loose their treasury board status – so Canadians can know the truth and rely on the postal service.
There’s a reason Canada Post is named the #1 worst employer in Canada.
well said
interesting article on AMAZON
Amazon hikes wages for contract delivery drivers as union pressures grow
PUBLISHED THU, SEP 12 20242:39 PM EDTUPDATED THU, SEP 12 20243:17 PM EDT
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Annie Palmer
@IN/ANNIERPALMER/
Amazon is hiking its average national pay for contracted delivery drivers to roughly $22 an hour, up from $20.50 an hour.
The increased rates will support Amazon’s delivery-service partners “in their efforts to recruit and retain high-performing teams,” the company wrote in a blog post.
It comes as Amazon faces a renewed unionization effort among its delivery workers.
united steady. hold
I would be careful about going for the gold so to speak in this negotiation. CPC could end up standing for Canada Purolator Corporation
WHERE IS BEZOS?!$
The company’s announcement comes as it faces a renewed unionization effort among its contracted delivery workers.
Beryl Tomay, Amazon’s vice president of transportation, wrote in a blog post that many DSPs are “already paying well above” $22 an hour. The increased rates will continue to support DSPs “in their efforts to recruit and retain high-performing teams.”
Amazon announced the pay bump at the same time that it is hosting an annual, closed-door conference for those delivery contractors, called Ignite Live, in Las Vegas. The company made a similar announcement at last year’s event. Amazon has said it has added more than 3,500 DSPs to the program since it launched in 2018.
The Teamsters Union has led several strikes at Amazon delivery facilities in the past year, and it has made organizing Amazon employees a key focus after launching a division dedicated to the online retail giant in 2021.
The National Labor Relations Board has also been scrutinizing the company’s relationship with its contracted delivery workforce. Since August, the federal labor agency has issued two determinations finding that Amazon should be deemed a “joint employer” of employees at two subcontracted delivery companies. The NLRB’s determination could compel Amazon to bargain with employees seeking to unionize.
Amazon has fought to avoid being designated as a joint employer of its contracted delivery drivers, arguing that the workers are employed by third-party firms. Lawmakers and labor groups have disputed the company’s characterization, saying drivers wear Amazon-branded uniforms, drive Amazon-branded vans and have their schedules and performance expectations set by Amazon.
The company has previously said it disagrees with the NLRB’s findings.
noise noise so we can’t hear
why isn’t Bezos running his company that he built?!$
where is Jimmy Hoffa?!$
sold out the souls of their workers and disappeared
Spot on comment. Thanks for your post. I’ve couldn’t have said it better myself. All these middle managers have brought zero value. We used to move substantially more product with substantially less supervision. Now they engage in useless make-work projects. Glue sticks, arts and crafts. My station looks like a Kindergarten classroom instead of a postal operation. Nothing but waste at the hands of management.
Same at our office. Attempts at “personnel happiness” makes us feel like toddlers. Don’t buy a pool noodle for a desk corner or craft stuff for posters to help people walk safely. Just hire people who can navigate safely without “special training”. If you treat people like children/micro manage, you’ll never have responsible adults. So treat me like an adult and pay me what I’m worth. I have been here over 20 years and the change in employee trust is quite frankly disturbing. My job satisfaction is way down these last years.
Apoc is next when their agreement expires little do they know?
Redundancy pay should have been offered years ago to employees – I agree, lots of posters and fun for no value. How they value their jobs that have nothing to do with productivity or personality. But they are Next – lots of new people will be forced to resign – as they have little investment in CPC with 5 years or less. They too bought the story? Job is redundant and so is their pay.
They are never held accountable for their actions – they cause more grief than any postal worker i know.
Fleet is wasting money on electric cars that are just sitting parked all over and getting batteries put in them and regular maintainance held coz they are due for it. Refurnish old unsafe step van are being put back in service painted from outside to show an image its completely opposite off,
Yes this is very true – things have gone down quickly since the 2018. They should leave employees alone.
CPC says Local companies can serve the big guys and we’ll serve the rest- yet they impede us from doing that daily.
APOC / Shift Managers jobs have been redundant for years. They are above us in wages – have much less to do.
That was very well said!
We need solutions, and unity to solve all the problems of the postal service. Instead of blaming one another for what’s going on let’s talk to our team leads to find the best solutions to increase business so we can get a good wage going forward.
Yes. Started with Ft. Men – then Pt. women – To cheap labour –
no extras at all! Cannot sustain deliveries for Profit – but they own 7 other businesses so they will do ok.
This is not the beginning or the end for CPC.
CPC needs to stop all these lies. Since 2011 so called Modern Post we’ve had financial losses. It’s been 13 years now. When do you expect to make money? Please STOP telling employees to call the Employee Assistance Program and start rewarding your employees properly. The Corporation causes the anxiety, stress and low morale across the country. Enough is enough! Time for you to pay up. Let’s see upper management take a pay cut and bonuses to reward the frontline for all the hard work they do. If they care about securing the future as they say. We know what’s going on in reality. No more lies to tell. CPC should be embarrassed with how they treat the hardest working people. Not even danger pay for employees that risked their safety day in and day out to deliver. SHAME ON YOU!
I would love to pay less union dues! And the ability to vote on all offers made by the corporation. I’m willing to vote against something that doesn’t work for me. But don’t deny me democracy to vote in all matters that affect me.
I’d love to pay zero dues. I don’t see value from my union.
think about your comment…..
Amazon hikes wages for contract delivery drivers as union pressures grow
PUBLISHED THU, SEP 12 20242:39 PM EDTUPDATED THU, SEP 12 20243:17 PM EDT
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Amazon is hiking its average national pay for contracted delivery drivers to roughly $22 an hour, up from $20.50 an hour.
The increased rates will support Amazon’s delivery-service partners “in their efforts to recruit and retain high-performing teams,” the company wrote in a blog post.
It comes as Amazon faces a renewed unionization effort among its delivery workers.
Less hours per day less stress = less benefits
more benefits and extras cost extra with more mail and less freedom?
Does anyone need more stress for less money?
I prefer less stress – optional hours are fine – it is new.
40 hours guaranteed. Sounds better than what we have now?
Lots of group 2 positions.
As an employee of 30 years, I don’t appreciate using 2006 as a point of contrast for underlining volumes and profitability compared to our current situation. This is because we were not rewarded back then either and suddenly it’s a talking point of how well we used to do. The corporation has always low-balled our wages below inflation in good times and in bad. We’ve never been rewarded for anything. Now when we face a crisis, it’s similar to the story of the little boy who cried wolf. Nobody cares anymore because we’ve always been treated poorly. Concessions have always been the name of the game along with our spending powered being degraded decade after decade and I expect nothing less this time around. I predict being locked out with government interference in very short order. Save your money on your mailings as it’s not influencing anyone. Sadly, I don’t trust my employer and this comes with my 30 years experience. I’ve seen many CEOs come and go and I’m still here as they lined their pockets.
I agree! They locked us out last time, volumes dry up the minute the public heres Strike or Lock out. We had huge parcel volumes back then but after they locked us out – it went down 50%. This will be another 50% of customers if they continue – which = 25%. which is less revenue and less volumes in future as the customer can no longer rely on the company …. bad management. Profits before people never does work because people can go else where.
who do we call when someone breaks into our house?
who picks up our garage every week
where do our kids go for their education
what do we do when we are sick
where do we go when we are sick
who pays for all these services
what did it take to get to this privilege
how much are you willing to pay to continue with this privilege
cupw employees , follow this example
60000 employees x $90 = $5.4 million
$5.5 million x 26 weeks = $140,400,00.00
the true cost of incompetence and a failing business model
quiet simply, you cannot allow this to continue
Money spent on projects that the vast majority of CUPW have no interest in.
Wasteful union, representatives of the minority of people who are lousy workers.
Nobody follows the current collective agreement – nobody cares as long as they get their paycheques.
I think this is the most important issue is pay and benefits…
Canada Post continues to change whether we agree or not!
Don’t waste our time fighting for things that are getting worse not better.. CPC can do away with incentive bonuses for APOC – Postal workers do their best to keep up – we don’t need incentive from APOC – What incentives do they give?
Besides aggressive, nastiness – and that is not worth anything today. Its outdated and out of touch since 2018 at CPC?
Perhaps APOC can join CUPW – less management, more postal workers for delivery is necessary.
That’s a comment from a supervisor….apoc employee pay their union every paycheck so it would be 90×26….BUT, we only pay monthly…. so it’s 90×12…. so a lot less than the 140 million tou calculated….
let’s be clear
we are working for our selves
we pay cupw for protection
from the tyrannical practices of some people
we service our customers better than ANY fulfillment company because of what we do
let’s narrow the gaps to make it fair
revenues
– controllable costs
= profit or loss
praise n reward profit
coach n encourage how to prevent loss
replace incompetent behaviours that continue to show a loss
Strengthen our position as Canada’s delivery company
how?
contingency plan should it not work!
how will we prevent it from happening again
answer: negotiate in good faith
Secure our financial future
how?
contingency plan should it not work!
how will we prevent it from happening again
answer: negotiate in good faith
Create flexibility to win and keep customers
how?
contingency plan should it not work!
how will we prevent it from happening again
answer: negotiate in good faith
Remain an employer of choice
immediate discipline for ALL for
unacceptable blindness
unsafe behaviour
hurt where it hurt$
consider
HOW IS THE INDIVIDUAL’s PAY CONTRIBUTING TO cpc’s PROFIT OR LOSS
get rid of incompetence
this is not charity
negotiate as competent adults or step aside/away and allow someone competent to represent the process
canada post should be required to wear uniforms to and from work, and listen to what Canadians. think of us
There is little protection all round and now they want our votes? Back to normal soon – even arbitrators cant help – as they have requested them already. Its up to the them not us… its not profitable for any of us.
I am more concerned about the customer as they withdraw.
Prime – Fed Ex – Purolator – Just the govt. cheques will go.
Everything else is up for grabs.
The biggest problem is the lack of information and transparency- the information released to the general public is biased and in often times, especially during a contract year, very one sided
On one hand, the corporation is screaming massive loss, but then the purchase of brand new vehicles, including $ 110000 right hand drives makes zero sense
The rate reduction and lack of benefits for new hires seems like a logical choice, but then why do we have so many middle management supervisors that provide on value from a practical standpoint?
I f we are losing constant revenue, why are the existing board of directors allowed to spend, bonus themselves and ask for massive changes?
If I did my job (LC) as poorly as the people in charge , then I would have been 24 numerous times and most probably fired for incompetence!
To fix the problems we have, we need full disclosure to the public and of course to us
Changes need to be made, and it should start dfrom the top
lack of transparency from mgt, cupw and how they spend your dues, or both?
How about this lack of transparency for the public knowledge:
In the real world overtime is paid after you work the full 8 hours. The offer of paying incentive overtime should be the fact that there is an opportunity to work any overtime at all. But not in Canada Post. Work 4 hours , get paid for 8 and also get paid for any overtime sections.
You can’t have it both ways. Routes are measured by the company and agreed upon by both parties to 480 min of work. Unfortunately this company is disinterested and incapable of getting work.
Yes this shows that the model is broken. nobody I know is capable of finishing 480 minutes in 240 everyday. All the routes are inaccurately assessed, let alone even over assessed. It is actually called fraud and both parties are guilty of it.
in some instances you are correct, however please take into account that routes are measured by both corporation and union representation…the best solution for this issue is have, like the route I own to have FIXED WORK attached so the LC is forced to work , as he or she is compensated, for the full 8 hours
Lack of transparency from Mgt. very old school. Decisions are made with little to no listening from the delivery agents. If this was a private company, a consulting firm would be hired to listen to bottom level workers to find was to find ways to cut expenses.
Both , without question
Well said. Also an LC.
STEADY. STEADY. STEADY
HOLD. HOLD. HOLD
UNITY. UNITY. UNITY
CEO’s make their salary and retire after their contracts on the backs of their customers and employees
NEGOTIATE IN GOOD FAITH
UNITE. STEADY. HOLD
Amazon hikes wages for contract delivery drivers as union pressures grow
PUBLISHED THU, SEP 12 20242:39 PM EDTUPDATED THU, SEP 12 20243:17 PM EDT
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Annie Palmer
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Amazon is hiking its average national pay for contracted delivery drivers to roughly $22 an hour, up from $20.50 an hour.
The increased rates will support Amazon’s delivery-service partners “in their efforts to recruit and retain high-performing teams,” the company wrote in a blog post.
It comes as Amazon faces a renewed unionization effort among its delivery workers.
What CP employees need:
Good Pay, Good Benefits, Good pensions
What we need to help increase business :
– invest in same day deliveries ( Customer orders, we pick up and deliver),
– We attempt all items to the door( customers let us know what times they are home, and we deliver directly to them, either at home or at an apartment)
-Everyone must take their carded items to the RPO( Why not having all LCs going to the RPO, pick whatever is there to take, instead of having only 230 and 5 pickups ? Workload would be less , and we would make sure all items available would be ready to go ASAP)
– Why not investing in food delivery?
– Evening and Weekend shifts, and Overtime
How to cut expenses:
– New hires entry pay at minimum wage, with prospect of reaching top rate faster
-inside workers must have a much lesser top rate then their collegues working outside
-Workers that cannot perform properly repeatedly need to be trained or dismissed and not repeatedly defended by CUPW.
– All routes must convert to CMBs
-Management must have their bonuses cut , if the company is losing business and money
– Green vehicles and new CP facilities must pause until we get more work
-CUPW must spot fighting for things that are not important for CP workers, and that only complicate negotiations and the prospect of workers making more money.
Dude you keep losing everyone at wage rollbacks.
You don’t ever rollback wages, ever, especially to minimum wage. I don’t care if it’s temps or otherwise, you don’t let them get their foot in that door.
But wage disparity is brutal at CP and needs to be fixed. All LCs should make the same after the first year of full time work. I don’t care what the argument is, it’s not the type of job where someone with 5 years should be making $3-4/hr less than a senior carrier. Seniority gets you your vacation and job preferences.
That is definately true for the Urban Collective Agreement for Regular employees.
CPC wanted to drop the Temps to $17 from $23 last time and the Union agreed to $19 with increases over the 6 year period.
I don’t feel that this update provided any details about what the key principles mean to our negotiations. I completely understand that Canada Post needs to reach financial stability, CP has made that very clear through the talks. (It just so happens its a crisis when in negotiations)
What’s unclear is what they’re asking of us employees other than rollbacks. I’m not opposed to seven-day delivery and evening delivery, also expanding corporate retail counter hours.
CP and CUPW have been in negotiations since November and all the employees have been given is roll backs, that’s not a real plan and that’s not negotiation in good faith. CUPW has offered multiple ways to be competitive and secure financial security through the “Delivering Community Power Champaign” CP should be taking the worker’s suggestions and be at par with the country’s postal services.
I would like to remind any CUPW members reading. The reason we are 2 months away from a possible labour disruption is that CP has offered us nothing after almost a year of talking and meeting over 100 times. CP clearly does not want a deal.
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We need wage increase to keep up with living costs. No rollbacks on benefits. $750 a week is hard to live on.
We need to lean in to the parts of the job that come naturally to us. We have access to every household in Canada and so advertising is going to be the way of the future. This starts with putting ads on cmbs that can target very specific neighborhoods and connect them to businesses in their area!
the rural community depends on cpc and they are growing and growing.
CPC continues to spend money and reduce labour. No help for the people – no promotions. Getting smaller and smaller as time goes by. You cannot compete with a global economy when you are willing to replace staff with lower pay etc. There is no incentive. The last Public service is on its way out and will be missed like the milkman. Milk went up in price not down when they got rid of the dairy staff. Like all Public Services who go Private. It doesn’t save consumers money only the companies. Instead of middle class – its for the rich. More poverty in the end. More middle class jobs resolve the problem, not the rich. Cheaper labour is just more money for the rich.
How much was your At Risk Bonus???
Never heard of this. I’m a delivery agent and that’s not on our stubs. I could see this up north though. A lot more dangerous.
Bonuses Supervisors and upper management receive every year.
Cupw get a bonus for neighborhood mail. Should be zero.
What CP employees need:
Good Pay, Good Benefits, Good pensions
What weed need to thrive :
– invest in same day deliveries ( Costumer orders, we pick up and deliver),
– We attempt all items to the door( costumers let us know what times they are home, and we deliver directly to them, either at home or at an appointment)
– Why not investing in food delivery?
– Evening and Weekend shifts, and Overtime
How to cut expenses:
– New hires entry pay at minimum wage, with prospect of reaching top rate faster
-inside workers must have a much lesser top rate then their collegues working outside
– Workers that cannot do their job properly must leave CP
– All routes must convert to CMBs
– Green vehicles and new CP facilities must pause until we get more work
Also everyone must take their carded items to the RPO, would cancel the need for dispatch and leave time free for pick ups and deliveries instead, would also help avoid mass carding of parcels , nobody would like to go to an RPO with a truck full of carded parcels
Workers who can not do their job properly must leave CP, 100% agree
Lots of inside plan workers are not doing their job, this is the only company that I see that people are not working
And supervisor are not doing anything about it ,people are stressed working side by side with those people who doesn’t care about customer service, they just come in just to put their time, and get paid same amount, same benefits with people who actually doing the work.
Never seen like this people actually getting paid without doing work.
LAZY and sad about it management knew and doesn’t dealing with the situation.
Here’s an updated comment:
“Kudos to the negotiating teams for their tireless efforts in reaching a mutually beneficial agreement! The new deal is a testament to the power of collaboration and commitment to finding solutions that work for everyone. By working together, we’ve avoided the need for a strike and ensured continuity of service for our customers.
As we move forward, let’s build on this momentum by:
– Embracing technological advancements and innovative solutions to drive growth and efficiency
– Modernizing our depots with advanced technology and sleek designs
Here’s an updated comment:
“Kudos to the negotiating teams for their tireless efforts in reaching a mutually beneficial agreement! The new deal is a testament to the power of collaboration and commitment to finding solutions that work for everyone. As we move forward, it’s clear that embracing technological advancements and innovative solutions are crucial for Canada Post’s continued success. To stay ahead of the curve, we must prioritize going paperless, reducing our environmental footprint, and embracing digital transformation. Additionally, expanding delivery services to 7 days a week will enhance customer convenience and drive growth. Let’s modernize each depot with advanced technology and sleek designs, featuring:
– Digital screens in stations displaying real-time information on:
– Number of parcels (monos) arriving and departing
– Truck arrival and departure times
– Parcel sorting and processing status
– Delivery route updates and changes
– Important service alerts and notifications
– Live updates on parcel tracking and delivery status
– Enhancing customer convenience with 7-day delivery and real-time digital updates
– Reducing union dues to reflect the savings and efficiencies gained through our collective efforts
– Fostering a culture of collaboration, transparency, and shared success
By working together, we can create a brighter future for Canada Post, our employees, and our customers. Let’s continue to shape a modern, efficient, and customer-centric postal service that benefits everyone!”
Dear Management
Most of the workers at CPC do not believe you when you say you want to negotiate a collective agreement. It looks like you are hoping for a third-party arbitrator to impose concessions and cut the benefits and pensions of new hires.
If you are serious about negotiating new conditions for evening and weekend delivery you should drop all your demands for benefit and pension cuts. No union in the world would agree to your demands. Maintaining them is a message to everyone that you want arbitration not negotiations. Your statements about wanting a negotiated settlement have no credibility as long as your rollbacks remain on the table.
Instead of proposing sweeping changes you might also look at pilot projects under Appendix AA. The contracting in of parcel delivery and adoption of a new parcel delivery model in 2003 was only made possible by the contracting-in pilot project conducted in Winnipeg prior to the 2003 negotiations.
If they cut pensions and benefits, that would make them not in the top 100 companies to work for in Canada. Canada Post is falling and our mail will be delivered once a month at our cost shipped by purolator. And parcels will be delivered by purolator. Canada Post owns Purolater. Watch for Canada Post to dissolve and Purolater to be the beneficiary to all that CP owns. Land will be sold and Putolater will become a delivering Giant. Get a Job with Purolater if you’re young. It’ll be a sought after job.
Doesn’t Canada Post have a social media policy? If so why are posters on the CUPW facebook site allowed to denigrate the company and the management for all too see?
Never understood why people who hate the company remain employed by said company. Are the not employable elsewhere if it so awful?
Because they believe this company can be great but not with this leadership.
I too didn’t find it enjoyable. Therefore I left that Private Facebook group. An unofficial group as it clearly states. So don’t be too offended. It’s not public and most certainly, not mandatory.
It’s because during these times the company became a great employer. It’s unions that have fought for limits to hours worked, weekends, maternity leave, etc.
You’re welcome….
Do we really want to be a yet another company who throws packages on our customers porches seven days a week, 24/7? We are after all a Public Service first.
This is not what customers want or expect from us. While it is important to bring in revenue, we do not have the same mandate as other companies who function solely for profit.
What makes Canada Post stand out from other companies and what our customers value is the level of customer service we provide which none of the other companies do. That we know our customers names and they know ours because we are in their neighborhoods and community everyday. We take some level of care delivering and interacting with our customers. Dynamic routing is a mistake which will cost us what our customers value most. Further, it will wear down your already overburdened employees. Making last mile cuts will negatively affect the people who keep this company afloat, your employees and your customers.
Let us do what we do best, deliver the mail and small packages. Bring back the parcel delivery drivers and treat that side of the business as a business stream unto itself. It was like that before and it can be like that again. There are lots of other viable ways to increase mail business. I am sure your employees who are on the ground everyday could provide great ideas, if you just asked or valued their opinion. For example, being an affordable carrier for the public, being a green company which many people choose to support for that reason alone. Offering environmentally friendly mailing packaging ….compostable mailers, tape, holiday mailers. Providing country wide EV charging stations. Truly making an effort at postal banking and advertising it to the public. Capitalizing on the customer service we provide that none of the other other companies do. You should be running Hallmark commercials about letter carriers delivering special moments…and you would if you knew what we actually do out there every day. Make this a company Canadians and your employees can be proud of. The one thing employees always held steadfast was their pride in working for Canada Post. That pride is no longer there, it is your responsibility to restore it.
Completely agree Michelle!
Well said. Delivery agent here.
The pride will never be the same. Our demographics has changed a lot.
As long as CUPW is involved wasting millions on the company’s worst employees and doing money wasting retreats that serve NO value to the company Canada Post has no future.
1 get rid of excess management
2 lock out employees and leave them out
3 welcome back only the people who are good and happy at Canada Post. The ones who hate their job should have been dismissed long ago!
Good luck!
1- Stop paying out management bonuses if the company is in dire straights.
2- Stop paying supervisors $80000 year to follow carriers around on the street to count how many flyers they put in a box.
3- Pay new employees a living wage and give them hours to survive, and save millions on constant hiring/training because people quit after a couple weeks.
4- If the government demands that you have to deliver a letter to some remote town in no mans land for the same price as someone to send a letter across town, then demand that the government makes up for the difference in the true cost to send it to the remote areas and stop trying to take it out of your loyal workers.
You may be wondering why postal workers do not believe the financial reporting of Canada Post management. They have good reason to distrust managements financial reports. Almost every year CPC management has been deliberately dishonest about its finances.
Consider the deception CPC used to attempt to justify its plan to stop residential mail delivery in 2014.
CPC said the loss in 2011 was due to reduced volumes and the CUPW strike. The fact is that without a one-time pension payment of $63 million due to a regulatory change and the payment of $291 million due to losing the PSAC pay equity complaint initiated in 1982, CPC would have been profitable.
In 2012 CPC reported a profit of $98 million. In 2013 this was restated “for comparative purposes” to show a loss of $136 million.
he 2011 and 2012 CPC Annual Reports stated that the introduction of an accounting change(IAS-19) in 2013 would adversely impact on CPC’s financial results. When CPC announced a loss for 2013 it stated it was due to reduced volumes and increased costs. This was a lie. Without the accounting change CPC was have reported a large profit.
In 2014, to justify the cutback in service CPC said it had lost money for the past three years (2011 – 2013) due to increased costs and reduced volumes. This was untrue. Also, in 2014, to convince politicians the change to CMBs was needed, CPC predicted it would lose hundreds of millions of dollars in 2014. The truth is that CPC reported a record profit for 2014.
During these years CPC paid for other organizations, such as the Conference Board of Canada and EY Consulting to release reports that included financial projections that CPC used to justify service cutbacks and attacks on labour costs. Initially CPC claimed these were “independent” studies.
In 2016 and 2017, during the Pay equity process that was negotiated between CUPW and CPC management claimed that RSNCs were actually compensated more than letter carriers and that the result would not cost the Corporation anything. However secretly CPC was including potential RSMC pay equity costs as “contingent liabilities in its financial results. The amount of these payments was sufficient to turn quarterly profits into losses, which CPC publicly blamed on increased labour costs. The arbitrator found that CPC’s financial arguments lacked all credibility and award pay equity which CPC admitted cost the Corporation $540 million in 2018.
During the 2018 strike, CPC officials went before parliamentary committees and claimed all of the trailers stationed at Gateway were completely full of parcels. Everyone at Gateway knows that the vast majority of trailers were not full and many did not contain parcels.
It would take many pages to detail the false claims, incorrect statements, and contradictory evident presented by CPC managers during the legal proceedings conducted due to CUPW’s challenge to the constitutionality of the 2018 back to work legislation.
Of course there is also the daily behaviour and dishonesty of supervisors everywhere.
That is why postal workers don’t believe you.
I couldn’t possibly like this comment enough, thank you
Get rid of 16 vice presidents.
Stop the two tier wage pay. The millions spent on training people only to quit because it’s a crap job for the little pay. Employees used to have pride but when you pay the same as McDonald’s and want people to live their life on a call in list 24/7 it will never happen.
The problem starts at the top. If you can’t run a company successfully, step aside.
let’s take two companies and compare the CEO total compensation versus the average employee’s wage. specifically, the employees take home pay
TESLA, Elon’ Musk’s-compensation versus the average employee
AMAZON Jeff Bezos versus the average employee
surely there is room to negotiate there!
no employees,, no company
now, let’s look at economic’s , specifically
the housing and the auto industry that drives our economy,
without job security, no one has the courage to buy a home or car
without unions there is no job security
there is too much unrest in the world
negotiate in good faith
there are non productive people both in mgt n cupw
negotiate in good faith
if you are not doing your job, get out
If CPC is losing billions for the last 6 years, why haven’t upper management been replaced? Any business that spends more than their revenue isn’t successful and goes bankrupt. CPC isn’t going bankrupt, they just don’t want to bargain in good faith.
Fire management that spends ridiculous amounts that has put us in this position. Hold them accountable as delivery agents are held accountable with 2-4 meetings that sometimes lead to dismissal.
they have plenty of time to complain but they offer no solutions.
as long as the mail gets out – paying temps $20 an hour to deliver the mail – and then stop them working over time or else?
Or you can bring 10 items back and get the same treatment.
If you are a good employee customers understand – otherwise – they aren’t interested. things have gotten to easy for some while others are reprimanded for doing a great job…. this is the norm.
Govt’s must return the Service to the Public. Give the Postal System back to the Govt. who can cut costs by reducing the
Crown (by removing them) and continuing to serve the Public within the Budget. Similar to The Royal Family – they don’t need tax payors to prop them up. They must pay their share of the taxes which they do now… cuz they don’t rule any more. Neither should the CROWN.
We need change, we had it all during covid. We should have capilized on the delivery model then with guaranteed delivery then. Lets start wearing corporate
uniforms. I would be happy with a signed 4 year contract and no rollbacks.
CMB needed in the GTA. This is the only to offer 7 day delivery on a budget in a timely manner. I would be happy with a 4 year contract with no rollbacks
Urban demands are minimal – RSMC want loads. They want to combine with Urban… Its been 25 years since they joined CUPW and they are still below Urban. If you want equality you have to meet in the middle –
some go down and some go up! Less manual jobs – less motivation from members. Urban reached many milestones. New! Different vacation time/ no pre-retirement, flexible working schedules, combine group 1 and 2. New changes don’t always affect Urban – like grandfather rules.
If you don’t have it, they can’t take it away.. they just don’t add it on.
You might get a 4 year contract but RSMC and TEMPS are above Urban.
The corporation cancels Urban by dismissals and forcing those employees to retire.
If you think Covid was bad, this is even worse. Union workers cannot keep up with the demands placed on employees forcing RSMC’s and Temps to look elsewhere. Like Purolator who CPC bought out years ago for a song and a dance compared to today.
No Union. Temporary positions working middle of the night for 3 hours pay – in order to get the products out. Temps will have 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet just like they do at CPC. No more lock ins for the CPC as they can utilize the unemployed, unskilled labour to their benefit.
Leaving unionized employees out on their own to preserve what is left of their dreams. Suffering from work overload and health issues that will remain for centuries – with no place to go. Urban is under attack now after placing their trust in the boss to continue this pattern which is no longer viable for most Urban employees under any Unionized contract, as the lower paid people move in without benefits etc. Urban is out!
The remaining unionized employees will look elsewhere for a better working environment while the people before leave out of necessity.
You need to break the union for Canada Post to truly succeed. It only represents the worst employees- those who are lazy and hate the company.
Without that change we will never be competitive.
How can you say that??? The Corporation wants to rollback our benefits and pensions, and you’re ok with that??
We will be competitive when the people in charge actually DO SOMETHING to make us competitive! They’re the one’s who are “losing $3-billion” in 4 years. They’re the ones getting 5 and 6 figure bonuses on NOT staying competitive. All we do is follow orders…how is this problem our fault??? If we didn’t have a union fighting for us, we’d but screwed. It wasn’t the carriers and distribution centres that said we couldn’t handle the Amazon workload…it was management! They’ve put us in this position and now they want US to give back??? No way!
New Employees do not receive the same pension packages as the Original CUPW members… In fact the Original had Superannuation through the Govt. before the Defined Benefit. Don’t forget you can access a savings account through the employer & RRSP’S as well as defined contribution pension.
There are lots of options available for those who are interested.
You have to work a lot of fulltime years to get a fulltime pension and your pension is based on your wages which is lower than the Regular Employees to start with.
Best to organize this yourself starting now – so you have something to look forward to.
Why has this taken a year to negotiate? Because like everything CPC doesn’t care, and continues to delay hoping the government will side with them. There needs to be a 4 year deal, none of this 2 year nonsense with a year already gone. No rollbacks, or a complete strike, no rolling strikes, at the most important time (November/December) is the only foreseeable outcome.
The Crown owns the Post Office – not the Govt. Crown corporation is seeking lower wages – not higher. They have enough capital invested now to take over – unionized workers who supported the Enterprise, is gonna have to figure it out for themselves. Enterprise is moving on with lower paid people – who were thinking they were supported by the boss and helped them along the way?
If you don’t learn from your past mistakes, you will continue to make them until you figure it out. That is how humans learn.
Let’s get a contract. So we can be proud to work at Canada Post.
N O R O L L B A C K S !
How much did CPC pay out in bonuses in fiscal 2023 (i.e. “At Risk Pay” and “Corporate Team Incentive” bonuses)?
How exactly does putting a “comments” section on this website make Canada Post money?
You know what we want and our strike demands will further clarify what we want. Take this nonsense down. You don’t listen to workers anyways…
Strike yourself out of a job
Postal workers were essential workers during Covid and that won’t ever change just bcs a few uneducated people suggest it.
🙂 Out of a job, out of competition with other delivery companies and then surprise! Canada Post itself is no more.
We get nothing unless we fight. Fact.
Fight for what? Maybe it time to stop fighting and make things right.
You are not an employer of choice.
I tell anyone who asks not to even consider working at canada post.
I cannot afford to look for a new job right now. Trust me, Im a keeper employee on a walk noone would stick with if I left it. Your health and safety contradictory policies, insulting pay and spying gnaw at me everyday. Stop wasting money on useless ideas and put it where it counts: your employees.
as a 25 year employee i am not interested in working evenings or weekends. seniority has to count for something.
How much money does Canada Post waste policing, harassing, and enforcing insane policies that have been sent down from someone sitting in an office chair waiting to cash their bonus check?
Total Debt in CPC’s audited financial statements for fiscal 2020 was more than $12 Billion. Total Debt in CPC’s audited financial statements for fiscal 2023 was $7.9 Billion. How does a company like Canada Post continually claim they are on the verge of insolvency when Total Debt has declined by more than $4 Billion over the last 3-years?
Also, Net Equity (balance sheet) was negative $823 Million in 2020 and now, in the 2023 audited numbers, sits at a POSITIVE $4.5 Billion!
It is very curious that while the actual financial numbers in CPC’s audited Balance Sheet scream financial success and stability, management continues to scream financial failure while pointing at easily manipulated Income Statements. Management needs to trim the fat of the company in the middle, end any all bonuses (or whatever you wish to call them) unless the company is cash-flow positive, and start touting the successes we have achieved in recent years! We are financial stable, have access to capital at decent rates, and have an infrastructure comparable to none. Let’s stop touting looming financial disaster as a business plan and start making some money!!!
I’m a little concerned about what a seven day work week would look like. Will people with more seniority be able to continue to choose work week hours? Is it going to rotate? I’ve been with Canada Post 18 years, and the biggest perk of the job is having my weekends off.
Seniority will keep you off weekends. I’m also struggling with childcare. The shifts keep getting later.
I would think that there are people that would welcome weekend work depending on their situation.
In my opinion CUPW fights for way too much nonsense. What do workers really need? A good pay , good benefits, good pension, those in my opinion are the main things workers want and need, also we need more OT opportunities.
-We need to stop hiring immediately, CP is hiring way too many people, and many of them do a really bad job, also CUPW wants $22h for new hires, nonsense.. all other companies are hiring new people for 18$, 19$. Inside workers , specially with the new contract should be paid not more then 25$h, that’s what all companies are doing, and I think it’s fair, if CP does this we will substantially reduce expenses. Also I find that a lot of the bad workers are being always being defended by CUPW, which costs CP a lot of many keeping those people around( signing for registers and leaving in CMB, Safe dropping “Do not Safe Drops” in houses and Apartments, constant mis-deliveries, etc)
-CP needs to stop paying bonuses to people when the company is losing business, we need to stop spending money on new facilities , and Green vehicles , when first we need to get more contracts.
-CP needs to go convert all routes to CMBs
-Oversize items cannot stay behind, needs to be delivered
– Parcels in my opinion need to be delivered to the door either houses or buildings when people are home ( why not creating an option that would alllow costumers to let’s us know what times they are home so we can personally go to their door? Maybe a message on our PDTs) I find that leaving things all the time in parcel lockers and CMBs may take away business, because people want their parcels delivered to them and not go to pick it up not even at their CMB , specially if they are home)
-Create a system where people can order their items and we can go pick it up from the store the same day and deliver it to them, if possible.
I agree changes are needed, and yes we are losing business and money. However, this is my fourth time having changes to my job and major changes to my family’s life, SSD will not work. I would love to see more changes happening up above, all the changes that happen, happen on the backs of letter carriers, drivers, depot support- every time there are cuts to jobs and value it is us. More management and white coats is not sustainable 27 VP’s??? Is unnecessary and wasteful. The bonuses alone – would save millions from these losses.
Government appointees who have zero knowledge of the business with guaranteed bonuses makes no sense, And is a MAJOR contribution to our failing business.
Will bonuses continue to be handed out to supervisors and management above their level? Delivery agents have been treated like they are not part of the team as they have not received bonuses for years. Is it time to remove bonuses for everyone now that we have hit a critical financial situation?
You get neighborhood mail bonus. Stop the lies!
That’s not a bonus. That’s being paid extra for the extra work. VP get $50k bonus at the end of each year. Supervisors also get bonuses. Everyone in between get bonuses.
Salary for neighbourhood mail isn’t a bonus. It’s part of our salary just like parcels. We are valued to deliver 50-70 parcels yet we delivered 150+ every day during the Covid years and continue to deliver more than what we are expected to.
You have done us wrong for so many years, I can’t ever believe anything CP spews. Even if you are correct and we are on a major decline, you owe us a great contract. We are ready to walk the line for however long it takes. If you really cared about your employees and their families, stop the 11 and 1130 start times ASAP. This is not even a bargaining chip. Stop asap in good faith
We are in a childcare crisis and there is no help for working mothers. It is difficult enough to find employment with Canada Post within childcare hours, let alone to find any childcare in the province.No childcare is available Saturdays and Sundays. If looking to hire women and minorities how will this 7 day model work?
what does being a minority have to do with working wknds
I want to be a part of the phoenix that rises from the ashes…
It is my belief that we need management to encourage fresh perspectives and ideas on how to improve efficiency and profitability. As it stands, management appears to be using a stick, rather than a carrot, to squeeze as much fruit from the berry, which discourages imaginative possibilities.
I love my position as an RSMC, however, to be constantly discouraged from management, has left me on the verge of quitting a number of times.
Perhaps if there was a mechanism for honest communication, we could activate dialogue. I believe this could open up the real potential of the front line workers to participate not only as workers, but as partners moving toward profitability for all.
The carrot is much more powerful than the stick.
Thank you, and good luck to us all!
I’ve recommended some improvements to my supervisor and that’s as far as the recommendations go. They’re supposed to pass it up the chain but that would mean more work for them and they’re too busy doing street audits
Why did all management and supervisors receive a bonus but ordinary employees don’t even receive a cost of living adjustment anymore?
CUPW has to learn to be more flexible in its negotiation of a new contract with Canada Post. Where it sits financially and almost bankrupt wasn’t something they did alone but with CUPW. Before there is nothing left of the Corporation, and don’t think it can’t happen, perhaps CUPW should look at some of the things they negotiate for like layoffs, and realize it’s 2024 and not 1902. Realize that the more they hurt Canada Post they hurt themselves.
The company has ready access to $1.5 billion and is financial stable from a balance sheet perspective. You are wrong and/or have been lied to about the Group being near insolvency….
Yes I would agree… the Corporation has more money then they let on – because they own several other businesses. Purolator is a courier service with lower paid workers with higher prices for profit.
As far as serving rural customers – they reduced rural services by
adding more city options to Rmsc’s who were contracted out by
owner operators – until eventually they joined CUPW who maintained their services under Rsmcs instead of the Urban Collective Bargaining Unit. Leaving Rsmc’s with less benefits and pay as Urban Collective bargaining employees retire. Even if they fall under defined benefit -there will be less contributions
divided by 2 groups of employee owned by the Crown. No long term investments only short term with less benefits overall. 80% of Rmsc’s are Woman who maintain a lot of the workload without added bonus or benefits – which has a negative impact on the service industry backed by Unions – but owned by Enterprise with their only shareholder in place, the Govt. of Canada.
well said
12,000 eligible for retirement will mean less members much higher union dues…
Less inside workers – more outside workers is what they are looking for…
7 days a week – Monday being the worst – (8 hours) less hours other days – depending on the volumes – guaranteed 40 hours per week.
When you wrote that we have a loss last year of $748,000.00, is that including the money spent on the new Albert Jackson plant, the new fleet of vehicles purchased, the courier company purchased and the bonuses handed out to management? How much of a pay cut is upper management willing to take in order to help relieve a possible issue? What is upper management ready to sacrifice for the greater good? During the pandemic we had multiple Million parcel days for months. What happened to all of that revenue? CEO in 2022 committed 4 billion to upgrade the corporation. I feel that we are on track to spend that commitment. I feel that negotiations are not happening in good faith. Upper management wants for us to sacrifice but line their own pockets. We are the face and backbone of the company. We deserve better. Forcing employees into SSD where they can never sit down for dinner with their children is horrific. Forcing employees to wear a headlamp to deliver mail in the dark shows zero respect for their safety. Forcing employees to work outside for a full 8 hours in all weather conditions is barbaric. It is and was upper management that mismanaged the parcel war. I think all of upper management should be fired.
Companies supposedly in financial duress would fire many in upper management. CPC gives them bonuses and promotes them.
I think the public agree – that if the Corporation isn’t successful – look at the people above, not below. They have 7 other business that they can rely on – Like Purolater. CUPW says flexible hours will decrease your benefits.
Either way we lose. Working less is better health wise… every increase, is decreased by taxes, union dues, benefits, etc. It never amounts to much = when you consider the volume decreases over time.
I have a unique perspective to offer, as I worked in a Canada Post retail outlet inside a Rexall for 2.5 years before apply/being hired as a an actual Canada Post letter carrier.
I continuously heard from customers who were shipping various items (within Canada as well as internationally) that our prices were too high. They often asked me to provide a quote, then would drive across the street to check with UPS or Purolator. Sometimes they’d come back and ship with us, but many times not.
I myself even noticed that it was often cheaper to send a parcel deep into the States than it was to ship one within the province of Ontario.
I understand shipping is expensive, gas is expensive, and employees need to be paid, etc… But wouldn’t Canada Post rather secure 10 customer’s business at a slightly lower rate per parcel, rather than ship only 4 parcels at a higher rate?
If customers could be surprised with how reasonable our shipping rates are (instead of having their jaws drop to the floor in shock/disgust) I think word would travel that we are the optimal choice for shipping their parcels to loved ones and customers alike.
We have the facilities, resources, and knowledge to be able to manage the higher volumes of parcels. So why not shave a few bucks off the cost and see if volume increases.
Like I said earlier… shipping 10 parcels at $15 bucks a piece earns us more than shipping 4 parcels at $25 each.
Franchises charge more for profit –
Canada Post Retail Outlets are cheapest parcel service available.
There is a difference between CUPW and Shoppers Drugmart Employees at Postal outlets. Lower wages more profits for the company!
7-11 is gone now! I preferred them to Shoppers Drugmart as CPC got rid of retail too. Lots of CPC ideas did not materialize due to Govt. contracting Services to be more less visible and usually more expensive.
It’s time for cupw and canada post to stop demanding the sky. We had 3 contracts with an impasse. Cupw you can’t expect big raises and ssd to go away. And Canada Post you cannot expect cupw to take rollbacks. Please both sides be adults and think of the future for everyone. My solution is simple. 1) Implement community mailboxes everywhere. 2) Offer buyouts to post retires and reduces management by 25%. 3) Merge urban and rsmc into bargaining unit. 4) Alternative mail delivery where door to door stays . 5) Parcels 7 days a week. 6) Have a team for oversized parcel delivery 7) Award employees who are providing a 99% accuracy in delivery. 8) Crack down on auto carding, some back actors are not attempting delivery. 9) Have a process to find missing parcels that go missing or end up in limbo. 10) Fight to get more Amazon, the bay, and Walmart parcels and packets. Sign a long term contract for stability of postal service.
Tired of the games of both parties as well. Lets get some raises in exchange for the flexibility they are seeking. Mail every second is fine. But lets say no to SSD. Weekends should be for the lowest seniority.
They are not asking for mail every second. Keep up.
Soon you will be out of a job. Better start applying for mcdonalds
Will never happen. Canada Post will always exist bcs there are places in Canada that no other competitor goes and that’s why CP is in the situation they are in. USPS faces the same issues with delivering mail in the Keys
I don’t hear anyone complaining about the service except APOC/ MANAGERS – who make more than most of us who started years ago! Its not right.
The Competitors work all week – Mostly Temps would be working weekends I would guess? Mostly Temps or Part time on Saturdays inside.. Fulltime work sunday – thurs. or mon – fri. Weekends would be full 8 hours I would guess and Monday – tue. wed. thurs would be less. Friday depends.
Completely agree with above!
I want to see a working committee on the future of the postal service with no union or management influence that is independent. Consisting of experts, and workers.
Clap clap clap Yes!
I support my CUPW negotiating team and look forward to you as the Employer making significant concessions to your draconian package in the coming days. Without this, a labour disruption is inevitable.
– NO to more expensive benefits
– NO to a defined Contribution pension plan
– NO to Separate Sort & Delivery
– NO to FLEX delivery (rather than Routes)
– YES to a significant RAISE in line with recent cost of living and other Federal settlements
– YES to downsizing middle management
I hope you go out of business
Thats what this is about? Who will go out of business first?
The Corporation is loaded compared to Postal Employees.
If you lose the customer base – your out!
Inside workers have been replaced with machines. Govt payments are mostly online. We can still deliver the odd cheque?
The registered mail for Insurance companies and banks will have to wait their turn like they always do.
Wonder if APOC will deliver those in person as most of the staff including APOC have no idea what to do with Priority Mail? They don’t know the difference between Priority and Regular Mail – which is understandable as the School of Postal Workers was cut years ago.
Is there a place we can go online to see what the CUPW is asking for?
The CUPW website has the list of demands for both RSMC and Urban. They’re not detailed demands as those would come through in a contract proposal but it will give you and idea.
Cupw.ca