CUPW negotiations: CUPW’s latest offer would add billions of dollars in unsustainable fixed costs to Canada Post
December 11, 2024, 11:17 am
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Canada Post has carefully reviewed the latest offers from the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) and determined that the union’s demands are unaffordable and unsustainable – adding billions of dollars in long-term fixed costs.
Added up, all the demands in CUPW’s latest offers would cost more than $3 billion over four years, at a time when the postal service is already recording large financial losses. Some of the big-ticket items include wage increases and staffing changes. Canada Post will record another significant loss in 2024, the seventh consecutive annual loss for the Corporation. Since 2018, Canada Post has lost more than $3 billion.
The union’s demands would also further reinforce the status quo, when the postal service must transform to meet the changing needs of Canadians and businesses. The latest CUPW offers for the Urban and RSMC (Rural and Suburban Mail Carriers) units do not address Canada Post’s urgent requirements to modernize its operations.
We understand the strike is having a huge impact on employees, small businesses, charities and communities across the country. We remain committed to reaching negotiated agreements and have put forward proposals that are fair, balanced and would bring much-needed flexibility to our delivery model.
We wanted to share more information on CUPW’s latest offer, why it is far from where we need to be, and how it’s widening the gap in negotiations.
Wages
- The union has proposed wage increases of 19% over four years – including a 9% increase in the first year – while Canada Post has offered wage hikes of 11.5% over four years (11.97% compounded).
- While we recognize that CUPW has moved on its wage demands, the union’s proposal remains well beyond what the Corporation can afford, given its significant losses and deteriorating financial position.
Personal/medical days
- CUPW is demanding 10 medical days a year on top of the seven personal days already in the collective agreement.
- Canada Post is proposing 13 multi-use personal days per year, protected and built into the collective agreement. This includes the six additional personal days per year that employees received as a result of changes to the Canada Labour Code in 2022. Employees would have flexibility on how to use the six additional days (e.g. personal day, vacation, sick leave, etc.).
Making contracted staff permanent employees
- The union continues to focus on adding workers they don’t represent, which would add further unsustainable long-term fixed costs for Canada Post. For example, CUPW continues to demand that our facility cleaning staff and other contracted support services become permanent Canada Post employees.
- Canada Post encourages CUPW to focus on the terms and conditions of employment for the people they actually represent.
Flexible and affordable delivery
- To better serve customers and align with their evolving needs, we need a delivery model that allows us to deliver seven days a week and more quickly adapt to the growing ecommerce market.
- Canada Post has proposed creating new staffing positions that would support weekend delivery, providing permanent jobs with guaranteed hours and benefits.
- The Corporation has also proposed measures (dynamic routing) that would allow it to plan and optimize delivery routes based on volumes, delivery addresses and pickups. Although the Corporation has signalled that a dynamic routing model is necessary to secure its future and remain competitive, the union has refused to engage or propose any solutions regarding dynamic routing.
Stay informed
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Congratulations, you didn’t get layed off. Nothing has changed and there is still no work for you when it’s over. You win, I guess. They can just add that to the 10,000 other layoffs that will be needed after this contract gets signed, since we won’t need as many people
Another CUPW success, can’t wait to hear them cry when they get laid off supporting a union that Supports outside contractors more than it’s members..
So CUPW and CPC come to terms on the lay offs after CUPW filed a complaint. Must be nice to be able to settle a complaint so quickly. I filed a complaint against CUPW and CPC several months ago for lack of representation and discrimination and both CUPW and CPC were offered arbitration, CPC said yes and of course our union, CUPW, said no and has not cooperated with the process at all. Just shows how stubborn and unwilling they are to admit to making a mistake. I have no faith in CUPW and have been paying union dues for several years for nothing as far as I’m concerned.
Too bad they CUPW couldn’t settle the contract. Well, we’ve only lost a month of pay, so who cares?
Month 2 is coming. What’s another month with no pay. Get used to it. Number 3 on the horizon
Another example of Canada Post wasting time and resources attacking workers and playing mind games. Why did you do this Canada Post???
https://www.cupw.ca/en/cupw-resolves-unfair-labour-practice-mass-lay-offs
Good news- too bad this could NOT apply to unfair labour practice by not negotiating fairly
Because they don’t care at all about us “grunts”. Only the bonuses they pocket!
I thought you were quitting Bob?
Yes he did say he’s quitting, can’t wait, we won’t see him troll this page anymore. Quit Bob Quit, you said it yourself.
Can’t quit until your lies are shown to everyone reading this thread. You are so transparent. Changing your “name”, saying the same crap over and over again. Nobody believes you’re an actual carrier, and nobody is buying into your propaganda!
SOLIDARITY!!!
Lame, cry harder when we’re ordered back or go look for another job, it’s been brought up in parliament and the Minister of labor.. boo hoo.. job losses coming, you won’t be missed
Thanks for your input dot dot. Nobody is taking what you say seriously. You’ve proven yourself as a corporate shill. Keep yapping!
You’re nothing but a lazy carrier, Everytime you get in trouble oh please CUPW save me, not saving you or anyone anymore. They will also be removed as the majority of the members are tired of foul negotiating practices. Bye Bob, can’t wait till you’re delivering over 10hrs with your small seniority date.. We want to work, stay unemployed, you won’t be missed.
Assumptions and lies. Thanks dot dot. Proving what an unintelligent carrier you are.
Never been in trouble, always finish my work, and you, with apparently 25 years of service, probably have the easiest route in your depot. Keep blabbing, you corporate shill.
You’re mad because I have seniority and you don’t, can’t wait to see you outside while I’m home, talking about you on this page. I’m sure others here feel the same for you, most likely no one cares, so go take your old age CPP and low seniority and mosey on from here, you did say you’d Quit, so bye Bob you won’t be missed.
“This settlement provides immediate relief ..”
I don’t have any relief at all, I’m not in temp layoff, but it’s if I’m in layoff, as I’m not being paid.
Why is the union fighting for 17 sick/personal days, where 10 of them you need to be legitimately sick, and 7 flexible vs 13 all flexible days!! Which CPC has agreed to??? So we continue to strike because one of the issues is for 4 days!! Why would anyone rather have 7 flexible days and 10 days you need to show you are sick, than have 13 days to use for whatever you want!!
It would be out existing 7 personal days (in contract) plus the 10 medical days that are Federal. The medical days you would not need a note unless out 5 days or more
Even if you’re right which you’re NOT, how many days of pay do we have to loose now before they finally drop this demand and perhaps settle.
Another big waste of time by CUPW, preventing an agreement. Most workers are fine with 13 paid personal days and never use them all.
Give is a good raise. %10 year one. 2% or inflation rate after that.
Extended medical plan equal to the big bosses in Ottawa.
Bring in sat sunday part timers so our routes go out every day.
CMB remaining door to door area to save money and make routes safer.
Get rid of delivery in remote rural towns to save money. Post office boxes until an area reaches density worth delivering to.
Maybe deliver mail every 3 days like flyers. That will save labour too.
Get rid of delivery in remote rural towns?? Really??
Brilliant!
Troll, how about pipe down. Your comments are below pre school standards. You’re nothing but a national committee member here trying to make people believe you CUPW jokers care and have any knowledge, pipe down..
Dot dot making his voice heard again, except nobody hears it!
I hear it!!
I guess you must not live in a small town, so who cares about them? Isn’t the mandate of Canada Post to deliver to every address in Canada?
**Remember:** Strikes are a powerful tool for workers to fight for fair wages and working conditions. By participating actively and supporting your fellow workers, you can contribute to a successful outcome. Cheers
Cheers!
rally up, cross the line 👊🏾
Except when they don’t work at all, like this one. Or maybe it’s just CUPW who don’t know what they’re doing… ever!
I agree , but you have to know when enough is enough. We have been on strike for 4 weeks, workers are starting to struggle financially, businesses and regular people are complaining a lot , CPC is broke and cannot be moving much more… I think CUPW already had its time to shine, but I think it’s a dead end from now on, we need to go back to work.
As for Sups, I cannot complain, I just do my job and everything runs smooth . The only complaint I have from Sups, was just hired some of them were kind of dry, but after a few years I understand, a lot of them deal with so much crap, including workers that should do their job and don’t.
Polievre made a statement and the Minister of labor also, we’ll be getting ordered back before Christmas, proving CUPW is an epic failure and it takes this government AGAIN to step in to save Small Businesses, save our jobs, and save Canadians from this ridiculous strike full of unreasonable CUPW demands. Remember Trudeau down NOT support us, and also remember the union made this mess involving outside contractors. Can’t wait till election time for these CUPW clowns, I will ask management to keep them out of the building. Good riddance to CUPW when we’re forced back because they stalled and left us broke and pissed off the public and small businesses.. Stay strong everyone the government will save us, it will be forced now.
More lies….thanks dot dot dot!
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6589840
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6589750
Who’s lying..? A little research might actually show you’re smart, which your not. Can’t wait for the union to cry foul when we get legislated back and can’t bring in the outside contractors.. a win win for the members, no more bouncing strike pay cheques.. yay
90% of workers outside now hope it’s soon. Tomorrow would be great.
Poilievre has no power!! What don’t you understand about this??? He says everything opposite of what Trudeau says because he wants brainless trolls like you to trumpet his words. Well done!!
If you’re so sure of the strength of the union, lets vote on the next offer. I think we all know which way it would go.
And trudeau isn’t stepping in. It’s all a part of the implosion. You’ll see
90% of CUPW members hope you’re right!
Not thinking so! Did you actually listen to the response? Trudeau is not sending us back to work before Christmas.
Minister of labor can overturn Trudeau because he didn’t respond to small businesses, if he doesn’t comply he will be bypassed as the port workers were by the minister of labor as well, not by Trudeau..
Trudeau also said in his comment that he expects both sides to come to an agreement, and that the conservatives have always resorted to back to work legislation, something they won’t do
I hope you are right. We , regular people and small businesses don’t deserve to be held hostage of never negotiations that will never be fixed.
where did you see these statements, i am hoping your post is correct
Sadly it is not! Misinformation from someone that was unable to comprehend what was actually said. Sorry!
LOL!!! More fake news! Labor Minister just said this afternoon that they’re not intervening.
Did any of these statements clearly indicate they were going to order us back OR is just wishful thinking???
Trudeau can not legislate us back to work. The NDP would not be happy with that. Right now the conservatives keep pushing a non confidence vote. The only saving grace for Trudeau is the NDP voting against the non confidence vote. If Trudeau legislates us back it will really, really upset the NDP and they will vote for non confidence to spite Trudeau. There will be no legislating back to work. Trudeau already bartered that in exchange with the NDP to keep Liberals in power last week. Sorry. There is so much politics in play here. Cupw is just not as important to the Liberals as is staying in power. You really need to pay attention and understand what is happening in Ottawa!
So you are telling me I can’t go to work because we are fighting for the unionized cleaners to quit their union and join ours?
ALL OUT FOR CUPW! 💌🚩SEIU Janitors who clean Canada Post facilities — such as our shop steward Amado and his coworkers — are walking the picket line with our postal siblings. On a cold day in Vancouver, we’re leading solidarity chants to raise collective spirits.
Thanks, but go to work! It’s not worth losing your homes over this.
According to federal government website
We’re entitled to 10 medical sick days per year. If you don’t use these days you can carryover (bank) up to 10 sick days towards the next year. The problem is the 10 days you receive in the new year will be reduced by the # of days you have banked.SO if you carryover (Bank) 10 days from previous year you’ll receive Zero (0) days in new year.
So if your happy with zero(0) banked days at end of year this will work for you….
Works for me. Plus we still have our 7 PDs and accumulated night workers leave.
Since they are obligated to provide you with 10 sick days that you’re willing to stay out and fight for, is the company obligated to provide you with 7 personal days? Afterall, we are in a negotiation and anything in the contract CAN CHANGE!
CP offered 13 personal days per year.
You would be allowed to bank up to 10 personal days. In the new year you would get an additional 13 personal days no matter if we had banked 10 personal days from previous year. In essence we’d have 23 personal at our disposal at start of new year had we banked 10 days from previous year.
These are days we could use as we want with “No” medical notes required or the time and cost $ to get these medical notes.
If a supervisor or someone higher up the food chain made 5 fake cupw posts per hour, which is probably giving them too much credit, that is 40 per 8 hour day. For the love of all that is holy, can you please take a break from your phone and print me some new case strips? I’ve been asking for 2 months already
And just what are you going to do now with case strips?!? They’re bored and having too much fun trying to rile you up with fear mongering false info.
lol agreed, I would only hope they would do something productive with all their free time
Do you seriously think supervisors have nothing better to do than post here? I’d guess most are busy at home with their families, while they collect a paycheque. Biggest winners out of all of this.
I’d love a one month paid vacation. Our one month on strike pay isn’t quite as good.
Im sure they would love to.
But your union has turned on each and every one of them too, blocking them from entering or leaving buildings.
Why? You don’t really need them. You’re not working anyway, or did you forget?
This is a bit disconcerting. $56.20x5x2=$562×55,000=$30,910,000. That’s just for 2 weeks of strike pay. Some of us have said that their cheques bounced. $30,910,000×3 (being out 6 weeks) =$92,730,000. I’m not convinced that there won’t be more bouncing. And if they don’t, great. But wow, that’s a lot of money in the kitty. And, again, that’s just 6 weeks. As of Friday, we’re going into the 5th week, with no end in sight. I wonder how much they actually have for us??
You are assuming all 55000 showed up to picket every day. your math is flawed, and you are trying to stir the pot. Nice try though
The union makes $6+ million a month in dues, obviously you failed math if cheques are bouncing. Your math not mathing, sit down CUPW troll, stay home and save the union money so others cheques don’t bounce.. Solidarity to stay home and leave the strike pay for the rest of us.. bye bye
Really, try 100 x 55000 cupw members per month x 12 months x 6 years since the last strike and ask yourself why cheques are bouncing.
That math speaks volumes.
Your math is WAY off…. How many you think are picketing???
I think picketers should be paid $200 a day! Reason being I think 10% or less of the cupw workforce is picketing. If you are out there for these union frauds you deserve to get paid properly!
I’m not picketing and I’ll speak for my work groups numbers. We have over 250 permanent employees on our list of FT and PT. Through knowledge via word of mouth 20 of those 250 are Picketing.
Yes because word of mouth is so accurate
I think it’s more than 10%, but let’s go with that. It would then be a measly $9,240,000 over 6 weeks. Just a tiny drop in the bucket.
In our city the majority are on the line. Definitely more than 50%. People are getting pretty tired of it though and 90% want it to end ASAP.
ALL of us want this to end. Nobody is happy making peanuts, or nothing at all, but Canada Post refuses to negotiate. They haven’t budged an inch from their initial offer. After putting us all in this position, THEY have to make a move or nobody works. It’s that simple.
LOL!!! You assume everyone pickets 5 days a week! Once again you’re wrong!
You are assuming all 55000 showed up every day to picket
Cheques were cancelled because they realized there was no date. They’ve been reissued and cleared my account. Nice try at fear mongering.
Do you mean the people writing the cheques are so unqualified that they left the date off? Seriously! That is almost the first thing you do to a cheque. lol. Do you really, really think we are all stupid?
Well they do work in CUPW union offices. So I think you answered your own question Lol.
Wrong, the money wasn’t available at the local, they had to get more money from the national.. Why don’t you ask the locals why they’re spending our money on lavish dinners and why we’re not getting paid properly.. Week 5 starts Friday and we haven’t gotten week 3 pay.. nice try National committee troll.
Lavish dinners and trips to Cuba, right dot dot??
Just stop already, we’re sick of your propaganda!
Reality check??? You think anywhere near 55,000 employees are picketing?? I’d be surprised if it’s even 10% of that.
But even if that were true, the union gets more than $60-million every year from us. They have plenty of money and everybody “hears” of cheques bouncing but nobody has actually claimed to have a bounced cheque.
Just like every anti-vaxxer knows 2 people who died from the vaccine. Quit believing the lies!
Yes, I know in London there were only 10 to 15 people picketing when I drove by during the day.
How many cupw offices have to pay rent every month? It’s not like there’s just banking all theses dues. They have plenty of bills to pay.
Let raise up brothers , CUPW is messing up with our livelihoods, let’s cross the picket lines and let the few that wanna picket , picket while we go and feed our families!
Never cross a picket line bro.
That is philosophy from the past. Cross if you need too.
I will
There’s no mail to process in the system, what work are you going to do?
Mail was cleared and not processed. People have been dropping off packages at CPC franchise locations. So there is mail that needs to be collected, processed, and delivered.
No they have not! Nobody has or will mail anything through Canada post during a strike. lol they are also not stupid enough to invest their money in postal banking. If we go on strike they are screwed!
Parcels are being delivered by Purolator, but now Purolator is swamped and we need to get the post office running to save face. UPS and Purolator turning away parcels because they’re all swamped
… um there are trailers worth of mail sitting in a yard.
No. I’m no cupw fan but no you cannot.
You signed up for this.
i voted no
Curious, did you vote to strike ?
Let the process play out. SCAB’s are not appreciated by anybody.
Take your anger out on management. They seem to be proud to not budge on their offer.
What I can’t understand is why CUPW is so worried about the contracted workers??? Shouldn’t your priority be current members paying their dues now? I know you want more of that but how about you take care of us first and worry about them later!! I know we deserve much better wages and your proposal of 19% was good, but the longer we stay out the more we lose! DO YOU UNDERSTAND WE CAN’T AFFORD NOT TO BE OUT OF WORK ANY LONGER??!! CPC and CUPW can you both stop acting like children and just get it done already!!!
Why doesn’t CUPW show us all the offers also..? They’re hiding more than we know and I’m sure there is incentive to bring them in, more than just monthly dues. I can’t understand why anyone here supports something we didn’t agree upon.. To many national committee trolls here pushing CUPW agendas and Propaganda
I agree, let them go to arbitration and let’s take what CPC offers us. None of this outside contractors garbage CUPW is trying to profit from, I need to provide for my family and pay my bills, the rest of the circus can stay outside supporting liars.. Let’s go to work and bring Canadians faith in the Post office back…NOW
CUPW doesn’t care about it’s current members. You know the ones who’ve been paying $1200 dollars a year in dues.
You’re correct, they don’t care about us, that $4800 in 4 years for this nonsense now
I guess we’re paying our own strike-pay. I’d rather go back to work and get a real pay cheque though.
Because if they settle our agreement without the janitors included they won’t get it after.
Cupw needs leverage to get these workers in and we’re that leverage.
Are the members willing to lose it all so that CUPW can bring in people who have jobs, with companies that CPC contracts. These people are not destitute. They are employed and they get paid. If they want to be a CPC employee, they can apply just like everyone else.
Question for anyone here. Are the janitorial staff and snow removal people who are already employed by the contracted companies, on the picket lines with you? If they aren’t – why not? Shouldn’t they also be losing wages and be out in the cold?
100% agree!
I try to eat KFC once a week. Now, I don’t know if I can afford these types of treats. Please sit down at the table like grown up and make a deal! KFC makes great deals all the time…
Now is not the time to be thinking about food! I don’t care if we ever go back. The employer is the worst of the worst and I will gladly cut lawns for cash.
Paul Spence – Does that seasonal lawn cutting job come with benefits, a pension, and paid holidays?
How you gonna cut lawns in winter?
Love that KFC gravy
Got a KFC festive sandwich today, really put me in a festive mood after picketing. I love my new job of standing around and getting honked at.
At last its finally disclosed!
Give us a 15% raise, plus a COLA clause- 6/3/3/3% over the 4 years ( mid ground concession)
Give us 15 personal days that can be carried over – back to the original 15 we had a few contracts ago-get rid of the 6 non carry over and let us bank the balance if wanted
Drop the contracted employee demand- no need for that fight
Weekend delivery needs to happen- in theory , we would not get bombarded with parcels on a Monday/day after long weekend
Dynamic routing is fine as long as start times are are in line with seasonal daylight especially during winter- have customer pick ups and clearances scheduled later in the day when the daylight is not a factor and have us delivering during daylight hours , this should help reduce injuries
I look forward to dynamic routing so I can deliver my walk then half of the lazy guys that complains he has too much mail / parcels and has no desire to ever finish his walk. Less stress for him
Now you’re talking reasonable.. Kudos.. CUPW not dropping the contractors thing because there’s incentive for them to bring them in, I want to work and I’m also tired of CUPW games. My CPC cheque never bounced, other members strike pays have.. CUPW home of the rubber cheques
You are not cupw, be honest
Time to cross the line! They are not looking out for us! They are looking out for themselves! More members, more dues and through the old members under the bus!
Try to cross. I dare you.
dare accepted
Grow up
You can’t cross whether you support it or not.
Last thing you want to do.
Laughing at all the CUPW people who think that they are the only ones who work here, and everyone else is just dead weight. Who do you think processes your pay? Who goes out and gets mail contracts from customers? Who designs the network so the mail can actually get to your plant or depot? Who looks after your benefits and pension? Who purchases and builds the buildings you work in? Who makes sure that there are SLBs and CMBs that you can pick up or deliver mail to? Who coordinates with municipalities to deal with new construction? Who maintains the delivery network?
I’ll give you a hint. None of these are done by CUPW but without them none of you would have a job to do. Stop being so self-centered and think you are the business when in fact you are only a small part of the business.
Lmao projection much?
Is it Santa who does all that?
Well I guess it’s just human nature combined with ignorance and lack of education. Most people think their job is very important and they deserve a huge raise, but other people have easy jobs and are over paid Lol
^^^THIS^^^
55000 plus is a small part of the business?
You haven’t been doing a good job, we keep on losing business and not have enough new ones.
Maybe if you could string together 4 years of uninterrupted work. Like every other carrier
We had 6 years since last mail disruption. 7 years to the one before that.
I, have never seen as much dead weight as I have on the floor from my co-workers. lol, no cupw could ever call anyone else dead weight. That is just too funny. Ever see a po5 sleeping on the job, lol, I sure have. Sleep between arriving trucks. On overtime at that. Too darn funny.
Ok if you say so…
Good point. I, sorry we demand all those workers become part of cupw….
I don’t know if I would be bragging about those jobs, or the quality of them at least.
So many pay issues.
Where’s the new mail contracts?
I’ve seen the email chains for cmb/slb services, pass the buck hit potatoe all over the place. Omg
I could go on, just scratching the surface here.
CPC management is a ding dong factory
I’m done, I’m going back to work
I’m with you!!!!
Good, nice to see a supervisor going back in
The only entity to blame here is the gov for not stepping in!
Things are going well. Stay strong. We shall prevail in March.
March of what year?
This isn’t the government’s battle. The company needs to change and change fast. If the government gets involved, the change we need won’t happen. We haven’t been competitive for quite some time, and COVID expedited bringing out more competition that offer more flexibility. CPC however still has the advantage of having an extensive delivery reach including air stage offices and PO boxes but that advantage may not last for long, and isn’t enough given the competition. CPC must get back in the game and offer new, flexible delivery options that make sense without a significant increase in labour costs. In order for change to happen it takes both sides – the CUPW members and CPC. I guess the question is, how much are you willing to risk, or lose? By the way, the CUPW executive and negotiating team are doing the members a disservice with this janitorial thing and whatever else they pulled out of the hat without letting members know they were putting these things on the table.
As mentioned before CUPW workers with no pay starting to lose faith. Rebelling, in fighting ,begging neighbors for money to buy groceries.Exactly what CPC desires. Keep it up.
Begging neighbors for money lol that’s funny!
Poilievre commented on the house today about the importance and sending CP workers back to work. It’s enough of this!
Even though I can’t stand him, I agree with him on this point. We know the chances of these two sides reaching an agreement are slim to none. This disaster needs to be brought to an end.
Anyone working at CANADA POST better hope Poilievre doesn’t get in with a majority. “All bets are off” after that. Say what you will about Justin, but at least he’s not going to get rid of us like a majority conservative government may.
AND Trudeau sluffed it off by mentioning that previous Conservative governments had legislated a number of strikes back to work- BUT Trudeau seems to forget that his government has done it at least twice this year- Trudeau has the support of the Conservatives to end this strike, so hurry up and do it before Tuesday Dec 17th when parliament breaks for Christmas
Cp is offering 11.5% for 4 years which works out to roughly 2.87% per year. Cupw currently takes 2% of my income for union dues. Therefore if cupw stops taking my 2% effective Jan 1 2025 I will get 4.87 wage increase x the next 3 years and only 2.87 for the current year since I wouldn’t expect to receive a refund for dues already paid. Roughly 17.48% increase over 4 years. Problem solved.
Or the company could raise their initial offer to meet in the middle
No that would make too much sense
Good luck with that. If anything, CUPW will likely raise our dues whenever we finally go back. They’re going broke because they actually are paying strike-pay this time Lol.
If we get a raise, dues automatically go up. Dues amounts are set out in our constitution, and are a percentage of our earnings. Wages go up, dues go up, but the percentage amount is the same.
FYI… CUPW have one of the highest union dues in North America!! Look it up if you don’t believe me. They are also one of the few unions who charge flat rates. Most do percentages. This means the FTer who works 40.hrs a week, plus any potential OT pays exactly the same as a causal who may only get a few shifts a month. Explain the logic in that?? Of course it’s in their best interest to unionize current contractors. More unearned, unfair income for them.
I would love to take my name out of the union list, and just be a CP worker… it’s a shame that we are obligated to be CUPW members when we are hired to work for CP!
You know its the truth.
That is one idiotic comment. The union collects dues to operate. We only have what we have because of collective bargaining. No union… rollbacks and no protections.
Purolator are the official passport delivery service for Canada now!
Let’s see what we lose next!
Great!!! THANKS CPC AND CUPW!!
My knee hurts constantly because Canada Post made me work too hard. Please make a deal soon so I get rehab!
Can we delay strike for 3months?
No, a contract has to be signed, it’s too late.. in 3 months there will be no mail an strike would last months, so NO
Dont you think we can get massive public support if we do that.
Please make a deal soon. I need new tires for my Jeep.
1981. Strike for Maternity Leave.
Strike 2024-2025.Strike for Custodial services.
Stay on the line.
Justice for Janitors.
Its about wages now bud. CPC has not budged and we have already moved too much.
Well congrats then because all full time workers have now lost $6000 in wages.
How is it about wages? Cupw has dropped our wage ask repeatedly, they have not dropped the janitors. If this was about wages they would not be asking for janitors.
It’s dynamic routing that is the issue, that can’t be arbitrated and cpc wants that at all costs.
I’d gladly take no pay raise to keep routes the way they are.
It’s about the custodians. This hill we will die on.
But it will be a very clean hill, cared for by a brand new CUPW member!
Tell you what, we go back to work and you can hold the line. We will even keep you supplied with pallets just so you stay warm.
If only that were an option. We know the Labour Minister can force a vote on Canada Post’s latest proposal. If that happens I’m sure the offer would be accepted. CUPW once again wrecked these negotiations by making too many demands including crazy ones like the ‘Justice for Janitors’. If they had ever been reasonable, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
No.. Stop spreading your CUPW propaganda.. you can stay on strike while we go back to work without those Justice Janitors gearboxes..
That just proves that this strike is a total waste of time. Full-time workers have now lost $6000 in wages. Does CUPW actually want 55,000 workers to stay outside fighting for people who are not even part of our union? They sure didn’t mention this demand at any strike votes. Time for CUPW to drop this nonsense and get a deal done!
Go clean McDonald’s toilets, you won’t need to strike with a job for life, Canada Post and the rest of the membership are not interested. If they’re interfering there will be legal repercussions for interference and you’ll face fines and legal bills. Stop pushing CUPW agendas. Labour board will be pursuing charges against CUPW for unfair representation and illegal negotiating practices
The Champ – You aren’t seriously comparing negotiating for maternity leave to negotiating for people who provide cleaning services who are ALREADY EMPLOYED by the companies CPC has contracts with are you? It’s ludicrous that this is even on the table.
If most people think an idea is ludicrous, then CUPW will automatically think it’s a brilliant idea. Maybe our union could hold a contest for ‘Most ridiculous idea to build our next strike around’. The winner would receive a trip to Cuba, paid by CUPW dues!
CUPW members are very fortunate to have access to this forum by the good graces of Canada Post.
You don’t have one of your own to use so how isolated would you feel otherwise. What does that tell you about your own leadership and all the money you have given them?
CUPW only for the trouble makers, the workers don’t get in trouble and never use them. If it wasn’t for the union the lazy people wouldn’t have a job. It’s because we have lazy people who don’t work and cause problems the corporation needs to remove. Outside contractors can stay outside, they’re not us, and anyone who wants them can quit and give them their jobs..
Why do cupw sheep care what other workers get paid, by other workers I meant management. Their respective unions or skills if they are a manager or higher got them that pay. The question should be why has cupw not obtained us more.
Apoc got Supes and Supt whatever they get and so on. Stop crying about jobs you don’t even work. Go apply for supervisor if you care so much. Your precious cupw can do no wrong. Unfortunately it is only when you are homeless and dead broke on the streets you will realize what cupw did and did not do. Enjoy the koolaid.
What the sheep don’t understand is if you are on the same line as Wayne Gretzky and your not jealous but take your place and you can overperform instead of underperform .
Have you not heard of the ‘me too clause’?
You’ll get what we get for you!
I will not write any more comments that make me come across as a Homer Flintstones. That’s why we have CUPW and CPC.
Saw a supervisor outside today just staring at the parked trucks for ten minutes.
Literally trying to supervise parked trucks.
I think CPC needs to give them pet hamsters or something to yell at so they don’t forget how to make their employees feel like garbage.
I love how you state something like this and make it seem that APOC does nothing but bully CUPW. In my 20+ years at CPC, all the bullying I have seen has been from CUPW towards APOC and CUPW towards CUPW. SMH
This is true.
Wrong again junior
Oh yes, thank you for pointing this out. Specifically CUPW bullying CUPW. I thought they only bullied me. It has to stop!
Me too!
Correct. CUPW is constantly harassing. They bully members to follow the doctrine.
remember beyond the thunderdome the little guy on the giants back thats cupw
Who cares. Get a life. What is our useless union doing?
You are pathetic, seriously
You are getting what you deserve, since you’re so ungrateful. How long before you need a favour from that supervisor. I hope they remember as well, that you said they were useless.
my supervisor is a bird for my communication with the GS
LOL
Remember the cartoon the coyote and the sheep dog. thats CUPW and CPC and guess who the sheep are.
I like pancakes
CPC management = 🐑
CUPW= 🐕
But the fox is broke
Thursday will be 28 days off work. Do these go against our sick ,medical ,personal days or are they part of the collective agreement that we will get between this comment and my next comment.
You have to work at least 10 days per month to earn the prorated amount of entitlements for each month of the year. Otherwise you lose them, and or have to pay them back.
You get nothing, since the CPC grinches refuse to honor the current collective agreements for both the Urban and RSMC bargaining units. The no longer apply as of Friday, November 15 at 8 a.m. ET.
You will be able to use them as soon as an agreement is made by both CPC and CUPW and we all go back to work.
There is no contract to honor. That ceased when you walked off the job.
That ceased when Canada Post terminated it. There, fixed it for you
Oh Bobby, you’re such an inspirational fellow spreading so much sunshine and lies for everyone. It’s always CPC’s fault, regardless of the strike initiated by the Union. Employees should be rewarded with full pay and benefits for shutting down operations across the entire country with this strike. Shame on CPC!!
Let go of most of the management n see how the company WILL make profit.
68k employees. Lay off 20k and the company starts making profit. No job protection and we are good for thousands of profits.
Cut union wages and then CP will make a profit.
How about letting go of the postal clerks and getting machines to do their job.
Thanks for the 13 days we already had CPC. You are my hero.
4 more to come and everyone would want to work for cpc. No other company offers this.
No- you currently have no collective agreement.
The 6 non carry over day are not currently on any agreement so they could be taken away. Corporation is looking at making those permanent for you over and above the 7 you used to get.
Very kind of the corporation to unilatetally decide they will “give” 6 of the federally entitled 10 sick days
Well, they could just say 10 overall and that’s it so careful what you wish for.
It’s down from 15 sick days they slashed years ago. Down to 7. Another 6 are thanks to our current government.
Do the math
I was watching the Canada Post strike on the radio. I can’t remember loving so hard in my life. There are some great character actors in CPC and CUPW.
They go against all days off. If you aren’t working, you aren’t “earning” your holidays, personal days etc.
And the award for best actor goes to…..
The second best actor goes to…..
Best movie of 2024 is….. Greedy workers against Evil Corporate….
You were watching on the radio. RIGHT??
Finally someone got that. You way to smart for CPC and CUPW
He’s from the future, you can do that in the future
Loving so hard lol
Is this not just a snapshot that can be added to the mess Justin Trudeau has our country in? Average workers are just falling further and further behind.
To the one that clarified whos the boss.
lets get spmething straight..
I DONT HAVE A BOSS!!
CUPW is the boss of cupw members.
BS. We pay CUPW. We are the bosses and they are failing us. They should be let go.
Union mafia boss????
This comment section was clearly created by the corporation to facilitate mudslinging amongst its employees. It’s a very telling snapshot of the attitude of this Corporation towards its employees by creating an unnecessary toxic place that serves no purpose. Does this expediate us getting back to serving Canadians? Absolutely not. Then why have it?
They love toxicity and desensition in their ever increasing war against employees, their families and all their lives
We say what we believe is right. Going on strike before holidays is wrong. Going in war with your employer is wrong. Use common sense.
Exactly!
Blaming your employees for your mammoth fails is wrong. Your pretending to care about anything or anyone other than yourselves is wrong, be it during holidays or otherwise
Gives the supervisors something to do
Case dismissed, Calling for the operation of a corporations mind.
Actually it was the Union’s request to have a comment section. All other negotation hubs like PSAC and APOC dont have one.
Why doesn’t CUPW create a forum..? Why you ask..? I’ll tell you because members are tired of them and people like you speaking on our behalf and how the strike has impacted the memberships livelihood. Go kiss the National Committee shoes while they walk all over the members backs. We don’t need you hear making ridiculous assumptions, at least we can voice our opinions and other members not feel left out by you believing CUPW has our best interest in mind, and not their ability to manipulate the negotiations in their favour and not the members interests.. Go Troll Elsewhere, we don’t need your CUPW propaganda here..
And let’s not forget about Cuba😂
All they need to do is make people identify themselves if they really want genuine insights and not just antagonistic nonsense. It’s a free for all in this forum. People faking arguments with themselves. Hard to read but here I am.
It’s a make work project for bored supervisors duh
Doesn’t the company realize these words and threats will simply harden our resolve?
Is not resolve, is stupidity.
Perhaps. But, stupid or not, it means we will stay out until company comes around. Broke and proud.
No the money will
I tried to post that as well…didn’t make it ..go figure. I think it’s something we will put out in the media and our local communities though through our voices. How does that sound Canada Post management??
What post?
Can’t wait to do the same about CUPW corruption to the Labor board and labor lawyers for improper representation and involving outside contractors without the memberships consent, and make it public about CUPW National salaries, guess who the public will hate more..? Don’t forget who writes your paychecks when you work, compared to getting a cheque that bounces from CUPW.. sit down, you have no grounds, and you will not represent all of us, your opinion is your own. Ask CUPW to setup a forum instead of banning and blocking members that speak up on Facebook and other social media platforms. CPC allowed you to make a comment, something CUPW wouldn’t allow.
Absolutely agree!
So worried about losing money? What company is out there giving their executives bonuses when that company is bleeding money? Mismanage, lose billions and still keep your job and get paid bonuses and pretend you find the solution to revive the company taking on employees! I want a job like that!
Maybe their bonuses are in their contract? Wouldn’t want to break a contract right? See where I’m going with this……..
They’re still operational, Purolator doing our parcels, and I’m sure other as well. You think the company is just going to sit closed..? You only don’t know how business works, and it’s good you don’t run on, it would be broke.
Purolator,UPS,FedEx are not doing OUR PARCELS! The only parcels that are ours are what’s stuck in the plants.Canadians are sick of this nonsense 😒 Probably never get half our business back
This is for all the Seinfeld fans- do you ever get the feeling CPC is run by Mr.Kruger from Kruger Industrial Smoothing?
lol I’m not too worried about it
Well I’m not too worried about it
I find your belief system fascinating
K-Uger, K-Uger
The supervisors and management aren’t even bothering to pretend to show up for work anymore.
They’re sitting at home collection 100k+ salaries doing nothing.
facilities are closed. picketing being done at the head office. what do you expect?
To be fair , they aren’t doing “nothing”. They are on their laptops, pounding away about decertification, Cuba, five star hotels and justice for janitors, completely oblivious to the fact that our gains will soon be theirs.
The most accurate, best comment yet
They’re all here posting all the anti union and pro company pot stirring garbage. Typical day antagonizing employees as usual. Your families must be so proud!
I beg to differ. I, for one, have been clocking in an average of 14-16 hours/day and my entire line of business has been working hard throughout the labour disruption. I would also like to remind you that there is no overtime paid for these additional hours. Please get your facts straight before spreading more lies.
Doing what? Counting elastics?
I takes a lot of intellect to count elastics when you are a soup.
How many times are you going to post the same comment? Look up some new material online while you’re standing by the pallet fire.
Touch a nerve did we?
Actually my first time posting, thanks.
Clear indication that you have no idea what goes on across the company outside of CUPW-represented positions.
What a narrow view you have of anyone else’s role at Canada Post.
14-16 hours a day roaming the streets, looking for delivery agents to check for shoes and parking brakes but finding no one. But most of the time was for writing up reports about not finding any flyers in the mailboxes.
If you’re doing all that work then maybe I can get new case strips printed? I’ve been waiting/asking for 2 months and nada. Hopefully they are done when I get back
Let them in to work then? Also, if they earn $100k like you imagine, why don’t you apply?
And be one of those two faced bullying and harassment specialists hated by everyone? No thanks
Love it. Well said.
You won’t let them go into work. That’s okay, they can work from home in their warm fuzzy slippers.
There will be no negotiated contract. This will drag out until the new year when everybody is broke and defeated and then the govt will shove something down our throats. Start filling your freezer and cupboards and live below your means. It’s going to be a long, bumpy ride. Peace out!
Why are CUPW member so focused on what the executives and management make in their salaries and whether they get bonuses or not.
Why don’t CUPW members focus on what they are paid in relation to others in similar roles. Like Amazon, Intelcom, UPS and Fedex drivers etc. Compare apples to apples instead of apples to chiefs.
Do you think Amazon pays its drivers the same as Mr. Bezos?
Also let’s talk about them sick days. You were offered 13 but you want 17 days. I’ve asked around to my network outside of CP and I know no other person working anywhere else that gets 17 paid sick days. This is an outrageous demand.
It’s ridiculous! If the members could vote on 11.97% compounded over 4 years, the top wage would be $34/hr in January 2028. But the union wants $36.50/ hr. I’d take 13 flexible personal days any day of the week.
At this point, we’re all screwed. This Friday will be 4 full weeks, so there’s $5000 down the drain. Let’s keep going cupw, you’re doing great!
Yes,you’re exactly right. If members were allowed a vote on Canada Post’s current offer it would very likely pass. A full-time worker at $30 per hour has now lost $6000 in wages. The Labour Minister has the power to force a vote on Canada Post’s offer. It may be our only way out of this mess because our union is still being unreasonable!
It wont happen. Non confidence vote because singh is pro union unless he really cares about his pension.
Just saw a clip on line from the Question Period. Conservatives would vote to put us back to work. Who know PQ may vote that way as well. They don’t need NDP.
Actually, IF the Liberals pass legislation late Friday or early Monday before parliament breaks for Christmas on Tuesday Dec 17th- they would probably have the support of the conservatives AND parliament doesn’t reconvene until late January and by this time the Liberals don’t care about non confidence because there is a strong indication that they will call an early election in the spring
We have been out 3 and a half weeks. $6000?? $30/ hour. That is how dumb you sound to everyone. Maybe you get alot of OT? If so, why does your department have so much OT available?
Yes, yes 😛
Vote , vote 🙌.
And back to work, 😄
Amazon is a sweat shop operation, so leave them out of this comparison.
You obviously have no idea what UPS, FEDEX and Purolator make in comparison to CP do you?
Oh now we choose with whom to compare because it benefits you.
Go lick a stamp
Do you know then? Perhaps you can chime in on if this quick search of the web is accurate:
Canada Post: Approximately $23.64/hour, above the national average for delivery drivers
Amazon: Around $22.07–$22.09/hour, depending on the region and delivery partner
FedEx: Approximately $21.16/hour, meeting the national average.
UPS: Typically ranges between $20–$23/hour, varying slightly by role and region
Intelcom: Around $1,314/week, translating to roughly $32.85/hour for full-time work.
Intelcom’s higher average wage could be attributed to several factors, such as its operational model and the responsibilities of its drivers. Unlike some companies that directly employ drivers, Intelcom often works with independent contractors who bear additional costs, such as vehicle maintenance, insurance, and fuel. To offset these expenses, the per-hour rate is generally higher.
I see Amazon, UPS, Puro, Intelcom driving around out there, running all over town; hustling and delivery tons of xmas packages right now but we are sadly delivering none and many of our customer will never come back after this fiasco.
That is all inaccurate. You’re really good at searching for truth
We’d love to focus on our pay but you keep stalling and lying and crying the blues. Also the focus on executive pay is due to the fact that the reason we’re all in this mess is because those same executives have no clue what they are doing.! Then you have the gall to ask us for concessions to fix your mistakes. Never going to happen. You should really re examine your pompous arrogance in your posting rhetoric
Also seems like the union has no idea what it is doing. What is this I hear about “Justice for the Janitors” and wasn’t it the union that called the full-on national strike? Soon there be no Canada Post left for any of us to work at. But you are out there holding that line while Canadians all over the country suffer so you can make more gains. I was taught not to bite the hand that feeds me. The whole of Canada can see that Canada Post isn’t a terrible place to work and you already have a good job with decent pay and benefits. I bet you aren’t getting many honks of support on the picket lines. Canada is sick and tired of this nonsense.
First of all Jeff Bezos is not in logistics business but if he was Mr Bezos wouldn’t hand out bonuses like candies while his executives driving his company to bankruptcy year over year. Would he? I work for Canada Post, let me tell you how they run this company. You have a flat tire, they send you a spare vehicle, then they send another employee with a two seater CPC vehicle to pick that person up, then they send a contractor with flat bed to take the vehicle with the flat tire. That’s three employees on over time, a contractor with a flat bed paid at least $400. All for a flat tire! What kind of logistics company pays over 500$ to remedy a situation involves a flat? This people don’t have a cost effective plan to deal with a flat tire yet pretend to run a multibillion dollar company!
Regarding the spare tire bit. The reason we can’t just fix a flat tire is that CUPW members “own” the work, so a Supervisor can’t just change the tire. We have to send a CUPW employee to pick up the vehicle, so a second CUPW person has to drive the spare vehicle to replace the one with the flat. Then, because there are no spare tires in the depot (because only a CUPW employee in the maintenance group can change a flat tire), the vehicle with the flat has to be towed to the shop to be repaired or replaced.
This kind of nonsense is why CPC is losing money. Not because of their mismanagement but because of the stranglehold that CUPW has over the work they “own”.
Cupw works in many elements that are most causes to sick days ,days of recovery/and healing..lots of unseen wear and 100of lbs.of weight is carried on the bodies of various sized human beings daily and can wear you down..
Let’s all give CPC a shoulder to cry on while we vilify the employees. I love how it’s the “WORKERS” that are the demise of CP. I guess the 12 or 13 people that sit on the board and the 22 vice presidents, all collecting big salaries and sweet bonuses aren’t a financial burden? You need good talent to run a company, I know. I guess running into the ground is still a form of running!
I also love how CP spins building, vehicle, technology and infrastructure investment into revenue losses?
What other company can claim that much financial loss and still keep the same board members? What other company would allow board members to sit on 2 different boards, especially when the other board is your competitor?
Hmmmm…. I guess only Canada Post!
Don’t we have a code of conduct that prohibits working for a competitor. They seem to flaunt it for lower level employees.
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Cut down management employees. We see supervisors n acting managements n etc all around walking n on their cell phones all the time.
So what !! mind your own business. Let supervisors do whatever they want. Focus on the incompetent union not thinking like a normal person would do,
What a great job being in management. All the bonuses paid out for screwing everything up but then also being despised by every other employee that works in the building
Saturday night, we had our Christmas party with colleagues, spouses, and friends, and it was absolutely wonderful. The dinner, the drinks, and the festive atmosphere reminded me how grateful I am for the people in my life. Everyone was in great spirits, and the Secret Santa exchange was such a hit—thank you for the Firestick!
This season feels especially magical for me. With the strike, I’ve had the unique opportunity to spend more time with my family, completely stress-free. We’ve already enjoyed all our favourite Christmas movies together and spent evenings driving around to admire beautifully decorated homes. It’s been one of the most joyous and relaxed holiday seasons I’ve ever experienced.
I’m truly thankful to still receive a paycheck during this time, knowing it’s a challenging period for many others. This has made me even more appreciative of what I have.
To everyone, I wish you good luck, happiness, and a heartfelt MERRY CHRISTMAS! May this season bring you peace and joy.
You’re on the right team this season, you’re welcome.
Thanks buddy! I just got back from vacation last week. I’m truly grateful for the 3 weeks of annual leave my staffing supervisor will be putting back into my allotment that I can take at another time. It’s the most wonderful time of the year for sure
Me too! The sunburn still stings though! The sun is a lot stronger in the Dominican
Glad someone’s having fun while I’m running out of my medication and a 2 postie income family. Will have to start selling off some things to afford my life saving meds. Tried to find another job but a couple places said well you are just going to leave us when you go back to work, so why hire you ..
This will be my first Christmas off in years! Thanks CPC!
Lucky you
Way to rub it into the noses of freezing cold postal workers on strike who would usually work tirelessly under SSD in unsafe working conditions this time of year.
Thanks for nothing.
Heard management on floors make bonuses on our safety. Safety bonuses…no wonder they try so hard to talk us into not seeing a Dr when we slip or fall and get seriously hurt. 300 days without an injury they throw a pizza party for us meanwhile knowing they are getting closer to their bonus.
Urban legend.
Declaring bogus accidents to stay home and collect while working elsewhere, priceless.
Management??
it is true!!!
The days of the 35 year employee are over. Dynamic routing= burning out letter carriers in 5 years so they quit, then hire a new batch at minimum pay and less benefits/pension. They’ve wanted this for years
Dynamic routing will never fly. They can’t deal with things now let alone everyone not knowing what they’re doing or when starting every single day. Mountains more of everything will be brought back all the time
Dynamic Routing is fine for WEEKEND parcel delivery by casuals and temps
We cupw are to expensive the postal rate increase goes part to run corporation our wages or management bonuses for 2025. The bonuses always win it’s not easy to lose so much Parcel share this needs to be rewarded.
Why won’t you post my comment about upper the board of directors and how they sit on another board which just so happens to be one of their competitors?
They are smart.
Because it’s the truth
What’s the issue if they own said company? I would expect them to be on the board as well. You want someone else running your company? A company that never goes on strike and pays more than this by the way…
Something called conflict of interest I believe?
An inconvenient truth:
Physical labourers will be able find other physical labour.
The CPC ‘intelligentsia’ I am not so confident any other place will find their skills of value.
Here’s another truth for you. Physical labourers without a trade will never make $30 plus benefits, while managers have very transferable skills and options
Other companies are terrified of those ‘transferable skills’ being transferred within their organization.
Depot/work floor managers at CP are not actually managers. Glorified customer service at best, ultimately they are just inventory takers and should be part of the first round of purging.
You’ve pointed out how replaceable you are, congrats on playing yourself lol
AAAHHHH, the union complaining that CPC shouldn’t run as a profitable company yet complaining about dwindling members causing a shortfall in profits. Why are profits important to CUPW but not CPC?
How do you pay for raises and new Benefits if CP is loosing money. The whole system needs a rebuild based on Parcel delivery and not the 2 pieces of mail per house each week. Change is needed for safety and efficiency. Less Door delivery, More CMBs, alternate delivery days, and leave the cleaning staff with their own union.
and CUPW want Postal Banking ????? not for profit???? CUPW are smoking bad weed.
The last time I checked the cleaners in the GTA belong to their own union oh by the way receive 100% benefit coverage. How do you plan on breaking that union genius?
Canada post make another offer this isn’t negotiating tattle telling on each other.
CPC u have to realize that come 2025 you have no choice but to lay off your managers / superviors etc. they haven’t done a day of work for 4 weeks and your paying full wages and benefits for over 40 million already. Showing they don’t really do anything that generates revenue.
Meet in the middle 14 percent done and do the weekends etc as a project because today you’re saying you only need weekend work occasionally. Well that sure defeats the we need to work every weekend. Which is every or maybe once a month.
Everyone being paid right now including other members of the unions did not start the strike… just an FYI..
If the company is losing money as they claim in the media what a great chance to let those go that haven’t pulled their weight as managers and supervisors. The ones that smoke for 3 hrs a day and watching you tube
It is the union (all other unions including cupw) allowing watching youtube and smoking for 3 hrs. Zero accountability
The other bargaining units are not on strike, and what makes you think people aren’t working any proof of that comment, or just another wild guess
There is no corporation without the workers. We the knowledge and experience. They last a few years, screw things up, and move on. Power to the people!
Unlike your exemplary supervisor skillset at counting elastics?
Tell CUPW to make counting rubber bands a union function and stop worrying about what supervisors do.
Never surrender to this evil employer
evil employees
Canada Post encourages CUPW to focus on the terms and conditions of employment from the people they actually represent.
Not potential employees. I can only hope CUPW understands the above statement but not likely.
Yes that would be nice. I’m sure 90% of workers who are outside now agree. Please CUPW drop your crazy ‘cleaners in the union’ demands and get this deal done.
Cupw is no noble and kind and this is how you repay them. You members should be ashamed speaking of Cupw like this.
You should be ashamed for embarrassing your parents.
I totally agree. CUPW has been great to workers. Stopped them from working,,collecting pay ,benefits. Buying presents for family and friends. Oh yea paying all their bills on time. Wow.,I don’t understand why anybody is angry with CUPW. Be angry with CPC
You should be ashamed and say an apology to all those canadians whose passports are locked up in CPC facilities because crybabies like you want to strike. Their holidays are ruined.
Wow, crybabies like us!?! Are we just supposed to idly sit by and let cpc do whatever they want including rewarding themselves while shafting employees. You should be ashamed for having the audacity to even make a comment like that. Remember this post because the day will come when they shaft you as well. Not if but when,you’ll see.
Canadians should be ashamed of themselves not standing up for CUPW and the long standing service they have provided (on their backs) thru the 125years of service to the public/world..pathetic that claims are being made that losing money ..for it to have been carried this long on the backs of CUPW human beings..claims of 2 million dollar losses everyday with on strike, where’s this money going when we are at work,??definitely not to CUPW payrolls..hmmm ??
By the end of this week, all back to work.
Not likely. Beginning of February is my guess. Government shuts down for Christmas in a few days. Many have left already.
REINSTATE DON’T DEVASTATE.
INVIGIRATE AND DEMONSTRATE. SO-SO-SO-SOLIDARITY!!!!
Unstoppable huh… UNSTOPPABLE THEY SAY…
550000 strong we are unstoppable. Watch us!
My comrades are in Ottawa right now on the front line. Where are you?
In Cuba. My union dues paid for this trip.
So so so so OUT OF DATE AND NEVER EFFECTIVE. STOP DRINKING UNION COOL AID.
Everyone better keep in mind the corporation pays our bills. How’s that late strike pay doing for those struggling and defending the clowns of CUPW .?? You can bad mouth the corporation all you want, but it’s not our job to tell them what to do, we’re employees not their bosses, and CUPW better realize we’re THEIR BOSS, they’re not ours..
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I pay my own bills with honest work.
It’s unfortunate the bosses don’t value it, all while they’re running the company into the ground and lying every day.
I know I sleep well at night.
Corporation does nothing for anyone but themselvesi and youre also not included in that. Your day is coming soon
Pays our bills….pfft
In what universe does doing different unknown things at different unknown times without any idea of what was actually accomplished the day before make any sense other than after a few hits of acid and lsd? Honestly who thinks this garbage up and thinks this is in any way the way forward?
CUPW complaining about living wages when they plan a one week trip all expenses paid that cost millions for all their leaders? Why not start by cutting that cost and pay us more an hour to picket? You have been paying us the same daily wage to picket for the last 2 decades, how about you pay us living wage while picketing?
Would that be the infamous Cuba trips you are always posting about?
It’s Thursday and I don’t know what to do. My kid has hockey practice and I’m scared to go outside without my weekly safety talk from my heavily tattooed supervisor
Maybe you can ask them to come over and make sure you’re wearing the right shoes.
Put your flashers on before backing out of the driveway, could be a 1 day suspension if you don’t. Life safety rules, remember?
Apparently you’ve lost a day somewhere…
I’m willing to strike for as long as it takes!
Good because you’ll never be part of Canada Post, Justice Janitors union can clean port o potties after chili from Taco Bell.. You don’t belong in Canada Post and you never will.. 😂
That is a funny comment to you? Omg.
Merry Christmas to everyone but CUPW, because we won’t be going back before because of their shady demands of bringing in Justice Janitors union and other contractors instead of working for its membership. Guess who will be inside a warm home during the holidays while we picket and hope our strike doesn’t bounce like others have. Way to screw up negotiations again, and again . CUPW you deserve biggest failure award for creating biggest job losses in Canada Post history..
So you give up posting about Cuba trips and take up Justice Janitors? Interesting choice
Canada Post should never, ever put more money in the union’s “Education fund ” unions execs misuse all the funds on trips to Cuba, radicalization of members that sabotage Canada Post operation. Instead, those large amounts of money should come to us, members who work every day. I hope CP negotiators realize that gifting that money to the union is a terrible mistake and must stop it now!!
This CEO invested in everything except the people actually doing the job, and now he’s asking those same people to shoulder the burden of his failed investments.
Your new C250 trucks suck, by the way. What is that, $110,000.00 per truck? There’s where your raises went to.
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Time to fire all the executives at canada post. They’ve earned it.
Start with the president, executives and negotiating committee from CUPW first.. CPC pays our bills, the union steals from us with high dues, if you don’t like who pays your bills please leave and go elsewhere. People would be happy with a job..
Sure, but haven’t you noticed? It’s always the same issues doesn’t matter who are CP or CUPW execs, all comes back to the same issues , over and over again
the ceo and directors are firm in their attempt to keep their jobs amidst the financial loses of their administration facing a different pm. (“look boss ! see, I did good !” ) this stike/lockout is entirely their own doing, playing this out until the end of the contract was totally unnecessary.
economic financial harm to not just the employees of canada post, but all the people and shops the employees do business with. 55000+ folks not xmas shopping this year- think about that….and they want rollbacks from us now?
no way !
Dynamic route, meaning we will all become RLCs…Fun days coming ahead!
no more working 3 hours, and being paid for 8.
Fair times ahead for all employees, work 8 hours get paid 8 hours. Work 3 hours, get paid 3 hours.
Seperate sort delivery and dynamic routing are the only thing that will save this barn fire of a company right now.
Well said supervisor guy
Haha you are a po4
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SSD is the stupidest thing Canada Post has come up with, outside of buying a vehicle for every route, which increased their overhead massively.
I’m all for making Canada Post more efficient and customer friendly, but that’s certainly not SSD. Our building is less efficient and customer friendly since SSD started.
PROPOSAL:
The vast majority of Canadians mistakenly think that Canada Post is paid for by their tax dollars, and are most angry at workers because they feel they are ‘subsidizing’ the company when it loses money. This misconception is PR failure and rarely seems to be addressed in press by CUPW. This should have been a priority.
However, given the state of things and the need for a better way forward, the union should propose to Canada Post that they request the government adds a Canada Post subsidy in line with Via Rail, Air Canada, CBC, that directly goes toward helping support small business and the Canadian public by further reducing the cost to mail small items within Canada and to the USA.
Canada Post accepts pennies to deliver items from China and elsewhere – Canada Post accepts low payment to deliver items for giant companies like Amazon and others – WHY NOT CANADIAN SMALL BUSINESSES?
Let’s put forward a proposal that clarifies that Canada Post has not been subsidized or paid for by tax dollars – but that now, actually, part of it should be – specifically, to directly benefit small business and individuals in Canada looking to mail small items at a lower cost.
USPS has their media mail and low cost for small item shipping, Canada Post should do the same.
This will help invigorate Canadian productivity, contribute further to Canadian society, and benefit small business and consumers across the country.
Let’s focus on the mandate of being a SERVICE for Canadians by Canadians.
Canada Post – your employees are your biggest asset. Stop the race to the bottom. If a 19% raise was given today it would barely (if even?) bring wages equal to the inflation of the last 4 years, let alone what inflation will be after the next 4. Stop trying to balance your budget and pay for your asset purchases on the backs of your lowest paid workers. DO BETTER!
If management hasn’t even tried or figured out that they should be increasing charges to large corporations and USA private equity firms for admail, and keeping cost of stamps in line with inflation, then they clearly aren’t really trying to remain revenue-neutral… what is their goal?
Let’s turn the page and demonstrate the ways Canada Post can better serve Canadians. This is an important national service that will not be improved or made cheaper by privatization. Have some pride!
PS. CUPW, you charging temporary on-call workers and part-time workers (many of whom are at the bottom of the wage scale) the same fees as full-time employees is a disgrace, a moral failure, and the result of your own priorities and decision making. DO BETTER!
CUPW doesn’t care about common sense, only cares about lining their pockets. Don’t waste your time, only the government forcing us back and a forced contract will get us back to work. CUPW never cared about the membership, that’s why they need to be removed..
Nice comment, one of the only level headed CUPW members I have read a comment from in this thread. You are suited to be a MGT employee. You seem to have ambition and to want to see the company move forward in a positive way, MGT could use some more people with your outlook.
Well said!
I recommend you for the negotiation committee.
Is it worth getting in go unnecessary debt, or possibly lose your home just because of a forever strike that won’t get us too much ahead? We’ve seen that CPC cannot go and won’t go beyond too much what it can offer , and CUPW is stuck in it demands not related to what workers are looking for! When a deal is done for sure we won’t be able to get back what we already lost in terms of wages, and we definitely won’t get well off with a new deal. I will certainly not stick around for this bread full of nothing strike, and also I’m one of the good workers at at my depot, I guess doing things properly and doing good work doesn’t pay doesn’t pay here!
One of the few places that your reward for doing a good job is to do yours and someone else’s job. No early starts or you will be suspended. Make sure tou zip your vest up or we will suspend you. We care about you and your safety. Sorry I just threw up a little…
I agree with the 19% wage increase, that’s fair enough. But I don’t agree with the additional 10 days medical leave, too much burden for the company as of this time and also I don’t agree with the contracted staff to make them permanent CPC employees, it’s a non-business of CUPW.
how is 19% wage increase fair to other unions in similar sectors that bargained for 14-16% increases and no more?
You are pathetic
We have fallen greatly behind over the last 6 years. Modest increases in our last contract, and then agreeing to a 2 year extension at 2% per year. We all worked thru the pandemic, and then because of it, even agreed to a 2 year extension at a paltry 2% per year during the highest inflation in decades. It is time to catch up!
a good job is not buying protection
a good job is good pay for good work
not good pay for 50% work
greed is the root of all evil, sports with greedy owners, dictators, or democratic idealism
when, how , and why should any employee tell their employer how to manage their business
quit n get another job
stop the foolishness
cupw/ cpc negotiations has always been a tangled web of greed
be thankful
Yup, just like your grandparents used to say ‘just be happy you have a job’ lol
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/as-canada-post-strike-drags-on-frustration-mounts-over-prohibitive-courier-costs-1.4273733
Awesome job at posting a link, why didn’t you show us the way sooner!
No one could show you the way. Your lost in your own mind.
If this continues past Friday They can kiss away $100 million in Christmas cards.
Enough is Enough… I have been a letter carrier for 34 years.. our union is asking to much… on top of fighting for the cleaners… what are they thinking… our raise is gone..2 pay checks gone… customers mad at us.. loosing business.. etc etc… we have a pension…WHICH NO ONE GETS… ITS cps company…there choice to change the way things are run… union does not OWN cp… I am fed up.
Bright side is you only have a year till retirement, chinn up 😁
CUPW you disgust me even more than CPC disgusts me and that is fairly hard to accomplish.
The level of incompetence is unfathomable and you should be embarrassed and hopefully held accountable. Your disconnect with what is happening on the work floor is shameful!
Furthermore I want everyone to know that if the union dropped all of their absurd demands. We would get our wage increase of 20% over 4 years ~ NO PROBLEM ~ it is all the other absurd demands that are offsetting this which is why it’s a non starter!
The government hates us, the public hates us and clearly the company hates us even more now.
Lastly, if you are a young person or new hire please read the writing on the wall and pursue other job ambitions for your future.
Pray tell how you know what we would get when these tyrannical oppressors have not budged an inch?
Perfectly said, we’re hostage to the useless external contractors the union included in our contract.. It’s really pathetic that people support them after the last contract they signed was in 2011, and 1 other in its 59 years of representation.. CUPW should be legally responsible for including demands not agreed upon by its members and should be removed permanently.
Even if the union dropped its other demands we would not get 20%. That is a dream that will never become reality
It is almost as if we did not extend a lousy contract during covid things would be better. How did that happen and who spearheaded it hmmmm….
How’s the koolaid today comrades
100% well said.
Haha. Canada Post blesses us with stuff we already have and they call this negotiating. Never forget what these immoral beings did. EVER!
This is funny. Company crying poor. Sounding nervous that the government has informed them they are not on their side. Especially after the spending spree
Your hilarious
Invigorate and demonstrate. Invigorate and demonstrate.
STOP! We must get back to work NOW!
The cult members even support bringing the janitors in to our union and making it a wedge issue.
Cupw will sacrifice ever member submitted demand before letting go of the janitor demand, which mind you was never member submitted. Cupw is shady.
Not a wedge issue at all. Wages and how weekend work will be done is what keeps us apart. CUPW will gladly leave cleaning work as is if CPC makes a realistic offer.
haha then why is it a demand! and lets look at your logic for a moment. Cupw dropped wage demands and made other concessions but did not drop the cleaner demand so…..
Janitors the hill cupw will die on and sacrifice us all for. Solidarity. Lol.
What a stupid demand. It’s like a joke, but not funny. Please drop this now CUPW. Make a deal so we can get back to work!
100%
I’m tired of the selfish responses from an incompetent group at CPC that failed to secure additional revenue or make any sensible changes or take any reasonable action for years. I’m no way will I bow down or suffer for a group of people that don’t know what they’re doing. If CPC doesn’t WAKE UP and understand these are changing times and people will not stand for greedy capitalist BS that’s happening here; they can kiss their positions goodbye. I will personally petition my representative to push this along.
4 weeks in and CPC is too scared to actually show anything new they offering. Give it another 4 weeks and maybe they will budge.
They do not have any incentive tbh. Volumes are already lost. After 2 offers, union did not accept… it is gone. CUPW blackmailed backfired….
Hi it’s me CUPW I generate no wealth I only take but let me tell you how to be fiscally responsible LOL
They generated wealth for years when there was actually mail, not just stuff that can be done better and for less
A Union itself does not generate wealth.
Wow !!! What i see is CPC hasn’t move an inch since last offer. I thought they would at least give us a better increase of wage but no and that the only thing that can make me come back to work. Oh well see you all after the holidays. And please CUPW keep the cleaning staff and other contracted support services out of this negotiations.
Who agreed to the two year contract extension? Oh yeah that’s right it was CUPW I guess there was a “we owe you one” clause in there? CUPW crying about the bed they made. Another brilliant move on or Unions part
Fire all upper management it will solve the problem. We will have some intelligent people that know how to run Canada Post.
Who would want to manage a sinking ship?
Jeese this is gone on far too long. CUPW has to offer up CMB conversion Stop with outside of our union people. Cleaners and others. Nonsense garbage. 7 day a week has been done before by Part timers ? So why is this union doing this? Less dues ? Is this place going to be pieced off and these union hard liners will be out of a job Upper management too But let’s get off this line. Back to work. Bah humbug ☹️
How much actual change could CPC have implemented over the past 6 years when they are locked into a CBA with a union
As much as they want. All they need to do is “consult”, ie. inform CUPW they are doing it.
Jeeezus. The unions proposals will add 30 Billion over 40 years. Talk about gaslighting. Welcome to a world where inflation increases. Increase prices over the 4 years, just like every other company on the planet and stop giving excuses.
If inflation is below 2 percent, the cupw members need to give back the money…..got a deal?
Actually, yes. I have always said that wage negotiations should go like this… Our raise is whatever the rate of inflation was for the previous year. 10% one year. Yup that’s the raise. Deflation of -1%. Yup wages go down 1%. Should be the easy and FAIR negotiation ever.
Canada post please STOP .misinformation propaganda to the public and to your employees. public is not stupid. Canadians know Canada post management is top heavy as they claim they’re losing millions while the management still get bonuses or they call it hazard pay. Any company that loses millions of dollars for consecutive years will not keep the same management why Canada Post has kept the same management for many years. United States Postal Service is 10 times larger than Canada Post and they are less top heavy. Look it up.
USPS is not a great business to model as they lose billions of dollars annually and have for years. Calling an incentive program hazard pay also proves that you have no idea what you’re talking about as well.
Misinformation and division is all Canada Post knows. They are government grinch.
More like CUPW has divided it’s members, and we’d be more than happy to remove them for shady negotiating practices. Labor board complaints have been filed and they will be on CUPW for illegal practices and using members as bait to bring outside workers in… Scabs to name a few..
Can’t get rid of CEO, he was appointed by trudeau.
Pizza … lol because they are so many left overs that everyone gets to take home left overs after. The rest u figure???
“while the management still get bonuses”
LC work 4 hours a day, get paid 8. Then come back to work OT. Now that is a bonus. Daily.
Far more expensive overall than Mgt Teams.
Easily the dumbest comment on this thread, and that’s saying a lot! Thanks for the laugh though.
CPC has to come clean, Show us the math, Show us the projections of synergies for SSD and the costs of operating 7 days A week. Show us how much closing Gateway will save.
We are tired of listening to both side and are only interested in numbers.
There is no data for operating 7 days a week because it has not been rolled out nationwide.. Do you want fake data filled in an excel file?
So by your own admission there is no data, where does cpc get off saying 7 days will make any difference? You can’t have it both ways, which is it?
Clever. Very clever. You clearly aren’t a supervisor.
Your wage hikes are a JOKE! You can’t keep employees as it is! I hate the company I have worked at for over 30 years. Management has destroyed what was once a decent job.
Nope. Competitors did destroy CPC.
If you hate it so bad. Leave and find a job elsewhere!
womp womp WOOOOOOOOOMP!@!@!@!@
See you all in February. Happy Holidays everyone!!!🎄
Yep, February if we’re lucky. All because of CUPW’s hidden agenda’s that membership knew nothing about. But you’re right… Merry Christmas to all!
You supers will be laid off soon if this keeps going too much longer. When the company throws you guys to the curb maybe you might see this supposed cupw hidden agenda of fighting for what is owed to us as opposed to breaking our backs fixing the mess.they totally brought upon themselves
Hidden agenda to prop up their new union
Gigafyunited
I’ve talked to quite a few members that had strike pay bounce, way to go CUPW, bet if we went back to work our CPC pay cheque wouldn’t bounce.. Yay Solidarity and bouncy cheques
This is going to get interesting!
Does not look like we will be back this year!
CPC has to do what they have to do in order to keep Canada Post alive!
Time to back the ones that sign the checks!
I agree, my cheque has never bounced from CPC meanwhile members can’t even get strike pay on time or their cheques bounce.. I guess those trips CUPW take and lavish lifestyles they live has caught up to them.. Let’s get forced back and then remove CUPW and bring in Teamsters.. Yes Yes Yes
Well all they have to do is cut one day of mail delivery and we are even!
Since both sides are lying to us and negotiations are going no ware, here is a proposal that may not be popular with some. Offer buyout to senior members to reduce staffing. Convert to CMB thus reducing injuries. Structure schedules to cover 7 days similar to inside workers. With reduced workforce, company can offer a decent wage increase.
Remaining workers get a raise. Company covers 7 day delivery and hopefully makes money. This may appeal to more people as the solution for this stalemate. I am sure union would not like it as it would have fewer members paying dues.
I’ve seen posts coming from national to email the Minister of labor to get us back to work, the union has lost another negotiation and hoping the government will save face for us the members. Imagine in 59 years only signing 2 contracts, our last one 2011 and the government legislating us every other time.. Why is CUPW representing us when Teamsters has an impeccable track record and don’t require holidays to Cuba, women’s retreats and Niagara falls to party.. What a joke CUPW has become to everyone especially the customers of CPC.. this is ridiculous now, we want to work..!!
Wow! You hear and see a lot of stuff that nobody else does. But keep talking about it all because nobody can see through your lies at all…🙄
Yes the government intervention is probably our only way out of this disaster. When it’s all over our CUPW execs can book another trip to Cuba to celebrate their latest failure!
Hi Cuba guy it’s been a while!
Very well said
CPC hasn’t moved on anything except giving us our pension (which we already had). Brutal.
Please educate yourself….
I think the union should just start making up numbers too.
Cupw lies about local asking how much % members want. They never ask member or whatsoever.
Like the 95% who voted Yes? on how much?
If you fire all of CPC upper management I will come back to work for minimum wage. If not I will strike for the rest of my life. It is personal now. CPC lied when they said they have moved! ENOUGH!!!
Okay, sure…They made it all up did they?
They did.. lol. They didn’t move on anything including wages. Remove dynamic routing or we never come back. GG post office.
CUPW must get back, if it was ever there, to its core mission: defending workers’ fundamental rights, wages, benefits, job security, and of course pensions.
Engaging in business ventures and misguided conflicts was, and continues to be, a huge mistake. This approach has jeopardized the well-being of the very members you are meant to protect.
Unfortunately, it now seems too late. The Corporation is actually currently negotiating with ALL of its unions, CUPW, CPAA, APOC, and CUPW itself is at the forefront of a complete and total restructuring of the company. And yes, it can be done.
The message is clear. It’s regrettable that some very good dedicated folks may be left behind, but those who are proactive will act now.
Good luck
I believe that Dynamic Routing is ONLY for weekend parcel delivery
Beware when they use the term, flex or dynamic. These are catch terms that mean you have given up your normal life. Forget about OT, weekends and schedules. You are flex, dynamic. Sounds athletic and exciting but it means on call whenever. Now you are a janitor. Now you go shovel the sidewalk etc
They are in fact talking about dynamic delivery during the WEEK. This is a totally separate agenda from weekend delivery using flexible part timers.
Hey CUPW create a forum so we can tell you how we really feel, seeing you block and remove people from Facebook and other platforms. Just like when we aren’t meetings and you shut us down also when we bring concerns. I agree with the corporation, drop outside workers, 13 days personal but the wages have to go up, under 12% is too low.. Do your job for once. I’ve seen National committee posting somewhere asking us to contact Minister of labor to bail them out of the mess they’ve made. I’ve heard people have had their strike pay cheques bounce.. I’ve never had a pay cheque from the corporation bounce yet.. Are you CUPW groupies awake and aware yet .? Where’s are money going CUPW..?
CUPW and CP should speed this process up and send out final offers, it’s obviously going to arbitration anyhow.
Translation / Coles notes version
Boohoo if we meet a demand there will be a cost.
LOL
There comes a time when striking over certain issues is not as important as scorching the earth and ensuring ALL CPC leaders are on the street looking for work. That time is now.
Difference is that they won’t have to look for work for long. They have transferable skills
Walmart?
Those against what CUPW is fighting for please do find another job. Those that know CUPW is fighting the good fight please continues to FIGHT!!!!
That what CUPW want, the want the lazy and the people that are always making mistakes to keep on working and good worker that don’t need CUPW help to go find another job!
Interesting, somehow “lost” 3+ billion since 2018. But their net worth gone up almost 5 billion since 2017. In my house we don’t lose money for 6 years and some how have our networth go up significantly.
Real estate goes up in value, but that doesn’t make you richer unless you’re downsizing. Lots of paper millionaire’s are broke
Pension value went up
Remember guys. The union went on strike and CPC is paying for the members paycheck. Do not like it, door is open to leave.
On top of the wages and outside workers yes the union is asking too much for the personal days…13 is good enough…
The outside workers has to be dropped and the 13 personal days is fine, if they can tweak the wages a bit more would be acceptable.
Raise prices on deliveries and start charging the government a little bit of money for all the stuff they send. Come up with a plan to make more money and make a fair offer to employees. Stop attacking your workforce because will not bend anymore to your bully tactics.
Canada Post only has an issue with cupw negotiators and their unreasonable demands
Prices are already too high. They need to charge market price for rural to make a dent. They need to be cheaper in urban
CUPW is trying to bring outside workers in, are you blinded by the lies CUPW has shown you..? The corporation has a right to refuse outside contractors in our negotiations
I agree we shouldnt be supportong workers that arent part of cupw and maybe the wage demand is still too high…but dynamic routing?
Dynamic routing is such a positive sounding name for something that will impact the group 2 so negatively
It means no one will own a walk anymore…you will pick a different route everyday and they will tack on extra if your volumes are low for that day…not taking into account all the 3rd class mail that wont get counted and all the flyers on top….the injuries would go thru the roof!
If you have seniority you can take the same walks everyday. You will get more choice. Also there is no 3rd class of Mail, this isn’t the titanic. If you are still class shaming Mail, you are too old for this nonsense anyway. Nobody should retire doing the same job as a new employee. You always had options
Maybe it’s time to think about investing in your workforce for a change. Working conditions and pay matter. But I forgot, management doesn’t care about morale. So just keep ramming through your unreasonable demands!
How much extra business and PROFITS are we getting by delivering at straight time on weekends? After the Monday rush we are not swamped with parcels now during the week. Are people really clamoring to shift business our way once we deliver 7 days a week?
When people see Canada Post delivery on weekends- The business will probably increase that is what Canada Post is expecting
The only reason that makes sense to me is that some large clients (where the margins are thin) demand to give CPC a contract, weekend delivery. The math doesn’t add up to me.
Negotiations are a two way street. What exactly has the Corp backed down on? You just keep crying poor and insisting on your demands. Cupw is moving on some of theirs, why can’t you?
CP was already a toxic workplace before this strike, no matter how this ends, the workers will not forget how you treated us.
It’s strange how union had never mentioned anything about the cleaning staff. They only stated the demands that members approved.
If CPC makes a fair offer CUPW will not push the cleaning staff idea.
They are covering it because they it is not in the interest of current members… double face…
Exactly
It’s the unions way of uses us as bait to profit by controlling even the contractors Canada Post uses. More union dues equals more money in their pockets while we are held hostage to get a contract. The union likes to lie about so called demands we asked for, anything they can get away with illegally without repercussions. I filed a complaint to the labor law and contacted labor lawyers for unfair practices of CUPW, and they will be in trouble for using us as bait..
Waiting anxiously for the incoming storm you have unleashed 😂
I wish CUPW stop with the demands of bringing in outside workers and contractors under their control and focus on the current membership, stop with games CUPW we are struggling to get by and your costing Businesses millions, focus on wages, benefits and pension.. Leave the 13 personal days alone, you’re not going to win, and if we go to arbitration we’ll lose those 6 days as well.Drop the demands and focus on the wages, leave your profit schemes out of this negotiation. The government won’t save you CUPW from the mess you made, stop with the stalling and ways to pocket extra dues, let’s get back to work.. Unbelievable how naive you all are
WRONG! The 10 sick days are Federal Law. You clearly don’t have a clue. The contractors issue is not holding things up. Canada Post deplorable business savvy and stubborness is.
What’s unbelievable is how you keep coming here defending CP while they haven’t budged in any of their “negotiations” at all! Keep blaming CUPW. See where that’ll get you.
You’re just a management troll and it’s completely transparent. We get it, you hate unions. Makes perfect sense to work for a unionized company. The ones screaming naivety are ALWAYS the most!
Bob you’re clueless and don’t understand business, I have over 25+ years here, what do you have..? 5 or 10.? In 59 years the union has only signed 2 contracts and the last one was 2011, with the rest legislated back to work. Do some research instead of embarrassing yourself with all your unrealistic posts, get a hint and go elsewhere Mr less than 10 years..
13 years, two strikes, and both forced back to work because Canada Post doesn’t budge while padding the pockets of upper management while losing “BILLIONS”. THAT ALL MAKES SENSE TO YOU, DOES IT?
You’re 25 years means NOTHING when you take sides against your fellow workers. Retire old man, nobody needs you!
Highest unemployment rates in Canada since 2017 just announced at 6.8%.
Not a great time to be looking for work.
“CUPW is demanding 10 medical days a year on top of the seven personal days already in the collective agreement.”
We are not demanding anything of the sort. These 10 days are supposed to be federally mandated because of the pandemic! Stop spreading falsehoods Canada Post!
13 is bigger than 10. So explain where we are getting screwed, the fact you argue about this point is why Canadians are not supporting us. How do you even use 13 yet 17? oh yes by milking the system and not working which is what got us in the situation
The mandated number of days is 10. You currently have 13 which is what most members prefer as there is no questions asked to take them. 10 medical days would require a doctors note which most people can’t easily get as access to a doctor is not easy for a lot of people.
The union proposals will bring more financial hardship, but isn’t an never ending strike going to bring even more financial hardship? Send us back to work before there is no more work!
“….the union has refused to engage or propose any solutions regarding dynamic routing.”
Canada Post can’t even keep fixed routes in order and they think they can master “dynamic routing”? Nonsense. And the union has proposed many solutions but CPC management is too stubborn to listen. Show us the financial projections of why all these plans will yield so much productivity and profit improvements? Show us!
Exactly. Their plan is to kick the Can to the next contract then more cutbacks. How about we give them 4-5% in this contract in exchange for a plan that makes Sense
For how long can this drag on?
Year or Two – They already discussed all of this in the past year and made no deal.
So will it be done in a few days?
NO IT WILL NOT
Please legislate us back and stop this nonsense
Both parties personnel will be out in a year with full pensions, bonus and 50% of the present workforce will be out.
Thank you guys for making great Christmas 2024 deal
Hey, if we stop paying the workers, we’d save billions. And there will be more for ME! Love the CP thought process. Woohoo!!
Remember kids ,we will set the record for the longest strike in Canada Post history on Dec 28. And I will bet my union dues we will reach this dubious goal. That’s what I call a belated Christmas gift from both CUPW and CPC.
Wasn’t there a 6 month strike in the 70’s? Let’s try to break that record
History lesson ,longest strike in Canada Post was Oct 21 to Dec 2 ,1975 lasted about 6 weeks. And I see no reason that this record can’t and won’t be broken on Dec 28. So we are all gonna be part of history.
When does Canada Post plan on starting to negotiate?
The union put out a press release showing how they have moved. Canada Post puts out a release showing they have not moved at all. One party wants a deal and one does not. Shame on CPC…
What we really need and urgently is to get rid of the union. It does not make sense to pay dues when they cannot even articulate and make reasonable demands based on reality. Good bye incompetent gang.
More falsehoods from CPC. The medical days are law! CUPW simply wants what Trudeau promised!
https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/programs/laws-regulations/labour/interpretations-policies/medical-leave-pay.html
We’re crown corporation, we are not entitled to that because we sustain ourselves regardless if we’re controlled by government, not paid by tax dollars. Also union had a chance to fight for them when they were announced, why did they wait for our contract to expire first. CUPW is so disorganized and controlling all of you brainwashed by their lies. CUPW stop demanding bringing outside people to contract, that’s not your job.. This is why we can’t get a contract, anyone who supports this demand that was not agreed upon by the workers, should leave now..
They did and are fighting for them in arb (takes time). Also, we are under the umbrella of Federal. We had to follow the Federal vax-mandates, didn’t we? The sick days are supposed to be available for pandemics and such. Duclos says we are government and so does everyone else. GIVE US OUR MEDICAL DAYS!
CANADA POST HAS NOT MOVED ON ANYTHING!!!
Nope
It feels like we are at a point where the employees can’t make enough income to live and the corporation can’t be profitable under its current mandate. Also Mgmt. keeps pushing unsafe working conditions such as SSD and dynamic routing which simply will not work for its workers. I think the Federal Government needs to change the mandate for Canada Post to allow alternate day delivery or CMB’s and others changes to cut costs. I know for myself as a LC I cannot keep walking 25-30km a day under SSD versus the 12-15km I was walking before when I sorted my own walk.
CMB’s are coming and 3000points of call to make sure you’re all safe and outside till midnight because the union will agree to it. How about not running your routes, crossing lawns and being safe..? There’s a great piece of advice. Then they can assess the routes properly and address over assessment. Don’t give me the I’m not a letter Carrier BS either, I was a carrier during PT with 16+ years as a Carrier, and I had my route reassessed with additional over assessed payment. Win win if you do the job safely and don’t destroy people’s lawns.
I believe that Dynamic Routing is ONLY for weekend parcel delivery
I thought Canada Post said they came up on their wage offer? Did they lie???? These proposals will not do. We will stay out until there is a management shakeup and new parties are willing to negotiate.
I quit! There, saved you some money.
Absolute worst company I’ve ever worked for. What an embarrassment!
Never stop posting Bob! You have no idea, but it’s great material to roast you with.
You can only roast those that speak truths. Thanks for proving your intelligence!
If you are asking the workers to accept this as is.. And i don’t, you Canada Post should start trimming your bloated management.. Far too many mangers and bureaucrats!
An 11.5% raise over 4 years is a slap in the face to employees. Falls way short of inflation we have experienced the last 4 years. If the 20 vice presidents didnt take a pay cut why should we?
I wonder is CPC could actually hit 19% if the union wasn’t so much into future employees, cleaners and other things not related to us…
They didn’t get any raises either, unlike you
I got it!! We’ll all take a decrease in our wages! Hell, pay us $12/hour if you like, that’ll make up for the complete mismanagement of this corporation for the last 10 years. No problem, we’ll take the hit for the good of the people and all of upper management can continue to make hundreds of thousands of dollars in pay and bonuses!! How does that sound?
YOU got us into this mess and now you want US to pay for it?? Not in my lifetime!
Here’s the thing Bob, it’s not you that has to sacrifice. It’s for new people who will be already putting in resumes. You chose to be a martyr…that’s not the companies issue, that’s on you
What an absolutely assanine comment!
You know its the truth.