Let’s be clear
July 23, 2025, 08:35 pm
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The voting period on Canada Post’s final offers is now open for all CUPW-represented employees.
Your vote is important and confidential. Here are some key facts to help with questions or statements you may be hearing. It’s your decision.
1. What am I voting on?
- Employees are voting on Canada Post’s best and final offers presented to CUPW for the Urban and RSMC bargaining units on May 28, 2025. These final offers protect the things you value most, including your defined benefit pension, health benefits and industry-leading job security.
- Employees are not voting on future rounds of bargaining. Any changes to future collective agreements would be negotiated between Canada Post and CUPW.
BOTTOM LINE: This vote is about the offers, nothing else. The choice is yours.
2. What happens if a majority of employees vote to accept the offer?
- If a majority of employees vote to accept their bargaining unit’s offer, the new four-year collective agreement would be automatically ratified and in effect for that bargaining unit until January 31, 2028.
BOTTOM LINE: If approved, our final offers will become employees’ new collective agreements.
3. What if a majority of employees vote to reject the offer?
- If a majority of employees vote to reject the offers, CUPW and Canada Post will continue to be without new agreements in place.
BOTTOM LINE: If a majority of employees vote to reject the offers, the uncertainty will continue. Beyond that, we cannot speculate on what will happen.
4. What if there’s a “yes” vote for one bargaining unit, and a “no” vote for the other?
- It’s possible that one bargaining unit could accept their offer, while the other rejects theirs. This would mean one bargaining unit would have a new collective agreement and the other would not.
BOTTOM LINE: In this case, the offer that is accepted would take immediate effect. We cannot speculate on what would happen for the other bargaining unit.
5. Is it true that current part-time employees will get fewer hours?
- No. In fact, under the new collective agreement, the minimum number of hours for Group 2 part-time employees will increase from 13 1/3 hours to 15 hours per week.
- The number of scheduled hours will not change for part-time employees in other groups.
- Current part-time employees will also continue to be part of the solicitation process for extra hours.
BOTTOM LINE: The minimum number of hours for current part-time employees (Group 2) will increase.
6. Is it true that all national policy grievances will be withdrawn if the offers are accepted?
- No. Only those national policy grievances (NPGs) that are listed in Canada Post’s final global offers will be resolved because these NPGs are specifically tied to Canada Post proposals.
- It is quite common to resolve grievances as part of collective bargaining.
BOTTOM LINE: The National Policy Grievances that are not listed in the final offers remain in effect and will be resolved according to the existing process.
7. Will I still be able to file a grievance?
- Yes. The final offers propose no changes to the grievance process.
BOTTOM LINE: Employees will continue to follow the same grievance process.
8. If Dynamic Routing is implemented at my facility, will I need to bid on a new route every day?
- No. Under the Dynamic Routing model, employees will select, by seniority, a work schedule within a consistent delivery area.
- Dynamic Routing will be implemented at no more than 3% of delivery facilities – or 10 facilities – for initial testing and validation.
- Read the Dynamic Routing fact sheet to learn more.
BOTTOM LINE: Employees will not bid on new routes every day. Employees using Dynamic Routing will bid on a work schedule and a delivery area.
9. When it comes to load leveling, is it true my supervisor could reassign work at anytime throughout my shift?
- No. In a side letter of the Urban offer, on page 201, Canada Post commits to only reassigning work before letter carriers leave the depot in the morning. Current practices for on-demand pickups will be maintained.
- View the Load Leveling fact sheets to learn more: Urban / RSMC
BOTTOM LINE: Work will only be reassigned in the morning, using a national, standardized approach.
10. Will my job security be affected?
- You will keep your industry-leading job security.
- There are no changes to the Urban bargaining unit’s job security. The offer for the RSMC unit provides enhancements to job security.
BOTTOM LINE: Your job security is protected.
11. Will my DB pension and post-retirement benefits be affected?
- No. The final offers do not propose any changes to the DB pension or to post-retirement benefits.
- Future employees will also be on the DB pension after six months of regular employment.
BOTTOM LINE: Your DB pension and post-retirement benefits will be preserved.
12. If the offers are rejected and uncertainty continues, what will happen with our customers?
- According to data released by the Canadian Federation of Independent Business (CFIB) on Monday, July 21, a postal strike could push nearly two in three (63%) small businesses to walk away from Canada Post permanently. “Yo-yoing in and out of strike mandates is causing Canada’s small businesses – one of Canada Post’s last groups of profitable customers – to leave for good…Small business owners and other consumers need certainty.”
BOTTOM LINE: Customers need certainty before they come back to Canada Post.
Cast your vote
This vote is important and confidential. Make sure to have your say before the voting period ends on August 1 at 5 p.m. ET.
You can vote in one of two ways:
- Online at cirb-ccri.simplyvoting.com
- By phone at 1-877-271-9530
If you would like to review Canada Post’s final offer for your bargaining unit, please visit either canadapost.ca/offers or the CIRB website where both offers are posted.
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I voted NO because CPC is sneaky . Sabotaging the business sending customers elsewhere.
A so called bankrupt company with $50 million in bribery bonus to sign contract .
Sneaking National grievances into offer to get rid of .
And a CEO that got a raise and extension for losing money the last 5 years .
NO NO NO.NO.
Atta boy, Mike!
When the YES vote wins make sure you send the $1000 over to me.
Oh and bankruptcy issues are factual if you actually work at Canada Post you can see the decline in mail long ago.
Bye bye CupW!
lol cupw not going anywhere
How sad that all you’re getting out of this botched negotiations which is an embarrassment to all involved is ” bye bye cupw” I’m more concerned about our collective futures and to finally eliminating this never ending uncertainty hanging over our heads.
Yes when this management team says use paperless in a paper business and you voted less became you are trying to be one of them
Challenge to all. I don’t care who,what where you are and your status I’m life. Om donating $ 20 dollars to my local food bank. It may not be alot but that’s just one cpc employee. There are 54,55000 of us across Canada . So do the math ,help others and start feeling good. Excuses like votes,rent food ,bills should not stop you from donating because I m in the same situation. Thank You
Canada post will know who voted No and spend all there efforts in finding ways to get rid of them. I only hope when there gone we get there raises and there overtime.
Fake news, there is no way anyone will what we voted.
*their
Sorry NO OT . It will be gone with this offer
Omg! Paranoid or what? CUPW telling you that?CIRB is a government agency…Do the feds or provincial announce who voted for who?
That’s total garbage.
The latest CUPW bulletin says neither CPC or CUPW can see your vote.
How much seniority does the most senior person on you list have?
Why do we have people still here that started in the 1980’s!?
My list of seniority has 3 people that started in the mid 70’s! Yes, you read that right, 70’s!
50 years at CPC, my god!
Why would anyone leave a slack job like this?
If I was a temp, I’d actually leave and find another job. CP is going to evolve into one of the last places you want to be in 2 years. Unless your management or cupw.
Sad to say, but truly how I see it. Less than 5 years seniority I would run as fast as I can. No more guarantees with the corporation, on the verge of collapse
The CNE is hiring right now
Ok here is latest from Vegas.
Voting on the Cpc offer…
1. Accept 20%
2. Reject. 20%
3. Not voting 20%
4. You have to pay Canada Post to continue working there 40%
Hey delivery dan I didn’t realize your standard were so low that you wanna use Cpc as a blue print. Ha ha ha. ..I give it a month. Lol
If we use cupw blue print I will hire delivery drivers pay them 3 times what other companies are paying there driver’s how long before I go out of business
I wanna open a delivery business and use Canada Post as a blue print . How long before I go bankrupt ? Lol
And be sure you hire some CUPW Groupies and only use paper…no technology…You may last 3 months!
I’m a fulltime p04 with 14 yrs seniority. I live a low lifestyle shopping at NO Frills,dollarstore,Tim Hortons and Walmart. I have no debts and wear same clothes from the 1990s. Lol. So you tell me should I accept or reject.?
Im telling you youre lucky you can fit in your clothes from the 1990s! Lucky you!
Even if we got a 20% raise it still wouldn’t be enough. So
at least we have a job?? 
There will be no jobs to have. Through this Kaplan Report to SSD, dynamic delivery, attrition, possible privatization. Just my take on it, every other person has their own take on the future of CP.
Where can I fond the detailed offer.
Seriously?
How much money Canada Post want to squeeze out of its workers before they are stable. Anybody?
I read cupw crying forced vote,. I see it as a threat to Cupw because they can’t stand not controlling the members. I am honored to be given the opportunity to vote accept or reject. You can disagree all you want. I am thrilled to vote accept because the wage increase are low but the benefits are all there and to me that’s more important. Start paying outta pocket for dentist,drugs,glasses, etc and you may comprehend. And defined pension not touched. In 2028,who knows anything goes.
“Honoured and thrilled” to be voting on this garbage forced election? You certainly have low expectatuons
Not as low as yours because you’re following CUPW’s 1980s way of thinking with your rose colored glasses on.Cant wait to see all the NO voters by Christmas hoping that Santa would bring them “that garbage offer”
You’ll be waiting a loooooong time!
Who said anything about following 1980s cupw? You keep bringing them up with your blind hatred of the union. The same union that helped gain the benefits you are so quick to enjoy but too stubborn to admit. I’m voting because I have to, not because I’m thrilled to. At least a no vote will put this greedy uncaring corporation on notice to that effect. Sometimes you have to break some eggs to make an omelet
Canada Post hasn’t posted anything recently. Do you think they know the vote outcome already?
No, definitely not. The vote is run by a separate company and will only give the results to both CPC and CUPW at the same time when the voting closes.
Sure sure and the check is in the mail
The following comments are a one brain cell production between Cupw and Cpc. This comment is not intended to insult either group just because they share one brain cell. Thank You.
With only 3 days to go I have not made any comments serious or funny in this or any other platform,and I’m not about to start now.
You might be right about voting and making a difference
We are as divided like any other election that happens nowadays due to tech and all the easy and speedy misinformation that gets out these days!
I’m not sure why the supervisors or managers are called team leaders. I’m not sure what they lead in probably futility. As for the union, they want us to to believe there’s solidarity and that we’re brothers and sisters. I love my brothers and sisters. I do not love my coworkers
IF we reject the offer, AND Canada Post and CUPW go back to the bargaining table AND Canada Post negotiate for a few sessions and then table a WORSE offer- Would this new offer be the Corporation’s offer at arbitration?? Just a theory, BUT I think this might happen. Negotiate a short while, make a poorer offer, then lock CUPW out,AND IF the government orders binding arbitration- the new, poorer offer would be Canada Post’s position at arbitration
CPC will have no choice but to present a new worse offer simply because the company can longer afford the same offer as the financial loss continues to pile up while we wait for an agreement.
By that logic then how could they possibly afford the same offer if it was accepted in this vote? . Some here are just out to fear monger and some just make no sense
That is a possibility, but Canada Post would look even more petty than they do right now if they were to do that. Wouldn’t fully put it past them though.
Losing $10 million a day, what other option does the company have but to offer less now. I don’t think the public would think they are petty for offering a worse contact, not when we’re loosing so much money. I sure hope the majority accept the offer.
And CUPW doesn’t look petty? Its not about us at all anymore its about which side wins.Hoping its the YES/ACCEPT so we can get out of 1985 and into 2025!
You mean into 1925. Be careful what you wish for as this isn’t caring about you and your best interests cpc offer. This is we want everyone gone so we can pocket more money ourselves heartless cpc
No. He means 2025. ie. reality.
And I in fact fully meant 1925. The new century old working conditions your almighty corporation wishes to bestow in its war on employees
Whatever you say, comrade.
I’m sure cpc is not lifting a finger to even attempt to lessen or decrease the supposed $10 million dollars a day scheme. How much of that is the mysap fiasco that absolutely had to be done right now? Not exactly the actions of someone complaining about running out of money.
This is all having the exact intended consequences and theate effect for the court of public opinion and the yes monkeys out here while also hiding behind the government’s skirt crying poor. It plays right into their hands and many just don’t see it. Thats why even some supposed employees out here are defending and even pushing getting less from cpc going forward. You’re being played
Why would CUPW be mad with a worse offer? It’s capitalism the enemy?, according to CUPWs ideological father Lenin?!
Capitalism IS the enemy!! What has it ever done for you???
The fed couldnt force binding arbitration on us without legislation…and the house isnt sitting.until october…if no… expect a long lockout!!!
Complete lies. Arbitration will be forced soon after the no vote. Fact.
Not a hope
What is soon, Mr. Fact?
Parliament doesn’t have to reconvene to pass emergency. It measures..
I’ve read all the comments. I’ve even read the offer,yep 700 pages. All the Cpc and Cupw strategies to get us to vote accept or reject . We wasted too much time ,effort,and we need get our lives back and start living again. Enjoy the rest of summer ,look forward to fall and get excited about Chridtmas. Thank You
Most have voted. Aug 1 is quickly approaching and if you still haven’t voted,don’t let it slip cause you may not believe it,but your vote could decide the future of Canada Post for the next little while
So when achieving permanent status in some cases after 9 long years one is now automatically lazy and somehow less intelligent than a newly hired and scared of how to vote temp? Please,do us a favour and keep your useless comments to yourself. Your idea that only workers are accepting this sham of an offer while anyone rejecting is lazy or stupid is an affront to all out here
I didnt read that comment but everyone is entitled to their opinion on here whether we like it or not.Besides theres some truth not all but some…Good temp workers turn into some of the laziest,always needing CUPW kind of workers…but on the other hand, they learn from some of the WORST
Why? I even don’t know what i am voting on.
Common sense says reject this pathetic offer.
Canada Post Management/Executives are telling you to accept. I bet they’ll get bigger bonuses if they convince you to accept.
Or maybe if you look closely at the offer, it’s not that bad for a company loosing $billions. There needs to be change and CUPW is not willing to accept that reality.
They (cpc) misspent and overspent billions, they did not lose it. BiG difference. How can this board still be in control while pretending to work a deal with us when it’s so obvious that’s exactly what they don’t want! I’m not a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist but this is starting to smell of tanking purposefully. I’m not optimistic we’d ever be able to deal with this particular board until they’re all removed and replaced.
I love the comments for and right after against. This is a great platform to express yourselves . There is a great mixture of seriousness and the always comedy relief. Very entertaining and when it shuts down, I will miss it.
After this nightmare of 2 years is over the government announced a postal review which will bring that layoffs and a new vision of Canada. Post, hopefully, so the union’s membership isn’t the only ones losing their jobs. So whether you vote, yes or know, the inevitable is on the horizon. And things will change the union cannot save all of us..
Smart workers only vote YES. Lazy Workers only vote NO. Thats a fact. Always think outside the box. Don’t get fooled by CUPW.
All workers. lazy and energetic, want to keep the rights they have. VOTE NO!
Ha. Temp
You were a temp once…how soon we forget! And they are
% right.The lazy CUPW users are voting REJECT and the workers are voting ACCEPT
While this vote is only for a new contract for CUPW members, its significance cannot be overlooked. In a way, this vote is a reverse confidence vote on us from the government. The results provide a window into the corporate culture of the company’s operating staff.
Acceptance of the offer shows the government (and the public) that the members are willing to help the company to improve and survive, so the upcoming Postal Review will see the mandate changed to more or less match the recommendations from the Kaplan’s report.
Conversely, rejection of the offer shows the government that the members resist operation efficiency and agility improvements, with a culture within the company’s operations being antipathetic at best and antagonistic at worst towards the organization. This revelation (or confirmation) will empower the government to change the mandate in the upcoming Postal Review to usher in the privatization of CPC, as it will be futile to attempt to save the crown corporation given its culture. With the public seeing CPC less as an essential service and more of a financial burden, coupled with the tariff and economic anxiety, there is no public appetite for further subsidy from the government to help CPC survive, and no resistance to privatization if and when the government allows it.
That’s a nice story you wrote. It’s complete hogwash, but well written.
Only Time will tell. Remember this story, see what 2026 brings.
You bring up some good points. However, I don’t think CP will ever be privatized completely. Severely reduced and cut back, YES. It will always remain a mandated government service in rural and small town Canada. Urban centers, not so much…. To that I think it will eventually be privatized. Public simply has had enough of us!
99% We will be locked out with a no vote, Parliament is out until the fall so no more $$$$$
lol ok
After 2 yrs give or take of negotiations and feeling uncertain of my financial future ,I just want it over with and let’s get back to business and having customers choice Canada Post over our competitors. I accept and rock on
Lol. I love how after a worker says they voted no, a management post an accept comment. It’s already over it’s a strong no
you realize this will all be starting again in 2 yrs right? It will be over with and then starting all over again very shortly
I just voted No
I read a comment on here that said, clerks are lazy. I guess that’s why there’s a lineup of letter carriers trying to come inside and become clerks… Or is that?Because they expect eight hours work out of you
Nobody is going inside. There will be less good jobs there and It’s a strong no vote
That’s a good one they ran out of transfer forms..
It’s the safety and the harassment of being outdoors. They can always find something you did wrong or someone complaining about you.
Inside is easier
Insides, easier, but most of you chose to become letter carriers because it’s straight days. Where can shift work? It has its own ups and downs, mostly downs, because you don’t see your family, and then there’s being stuck on midnights for endless years
Out of all the names you could have chosen, you took one that was already in use – mine.
What a joke! Come inside LCs and see how great it is…you work weekends,shift work,try offloading or loading a truck in plus or minus 40 degree weather, be watched(which doesn’t fizz me i work) and the list goes on and on! Oh and try working with the same people 8 hours straight with a lot doing zip and we’re lazy?
The workers inside pick up the slack for the lazy people I might add…that’s the rest of my comment
So…you just said “with a lot doing zip”, so, yeah, you agree, most of you are lazy. Thank you.
And did you really liken to “offloading and loading a truck in plus or minus 40 degree weather” to actually delivering in that weather??? You can’t be serious.
No matter which way you have voted, I think we are all hoping that things will work out for the best for ourselves and fellow employees. Hopefully the company will recover and prosper.
Ugh. This is a really long time to wait for a verdict
I will vote on August 2.
I remember being told that our strike would only last for two weeks. That CPC and the government wouldn’t allow it to drag on during peak season. Now it’s low season. And the same people are telling me there’s no way we will get locked out. Good one.
We won’t get locked out
Maybe, maybe not …… depends on the result of the vote.
why not?
We are. Cpc is bleeding.
How do you know this information
I fully trust the anonymous poster’s opinion as fact despite the complete lack of logic, reason, or evidence. Please sell me a bridge.
Welcome to Fantasy Island …..
Accepting the offer is the only way to 100% guarantee we won’t get locked out, rejecting the offer can’t give us that guarantee unless you are a time traveller from cupw’s future. That’s funny, as if cupw has a future.
Says the mail based company asking employees to switch to paperless pay statements. What a joke this corporate management is. They all need to be fired
Why not? It’s saving the company money.
Oh yes, look at all the money that’s been saved and freed up for contract negotiations or discretionary spending.
How much?
You can still get a paper statement. Nobody is forcing you to do anything!
Please explain why this is a joke.
They are saving money and not costing the workers any.
Wanna make some cuts and save millions CPC? Get rid of the PDTs. We have about 45,000 routes. Those things are probably $2000 apiece? $90,000,000 to aquire the PDT, then it needs to be programmed, then needs to be maintained and replaced. For what? So you can watch your carriers mostly. Have they added to revenue? I ll bet they added to complaints. If I order a parcel I just want the parcel. I am not impressed by the modern way it was delivered.
You critique all the suggestions towards profitability from the union Well here is a freebie for you. Do with it as you may. This post will probably not see the light of day anyhow.
Uh every other competitor uses PDTs cell phones,emails etc…Remember its 2025 not 1985.CPC cant stay there because the Union wants them to.Technology is here to stay
So why not have them tap? Wasted all that money on supposedly new technology that only takes credit cards and has to be manually inputted while the customer nervously stares at you handling or reading out number to the card while asking ” don’t you take tap”?
Then why waste money on tech that’s already at least 5 years old?
Uh, my neighbours spend money on cable, internet, satellite, cell phones for every member of the household, a car for everyone that is of driving age, Tim hortons twice a day, McDonald’s for lunch, take out for supper and take 2 vacation trips a year. Then complain that they have no money. Just like CPC. Huh.uh
Not happening.
You don’t know anything.
You are probably just another ignorant PO4
How are customers going to track their parcels?
Hopefully he voted yes to the contract
I carried mail for 20 years. The IDB was a simple and inexpensive way to track packages from location to location. Adding another point of tracking to the carrier is nothing but redundant over spending. CPC likes it because now they can track the LC easier. They know what time you log in and out
every day. Besides that, it is a money vacuum, go ahead and shoot it down as another stupid idea. Its your future, not mine.
Spoken like a true CUPW 1980s way of thinking…let’s keep being dinosaurs!
I carried mail for 36 years the scanner when it works properly it helps I had a situation and used it to get help. Love it
Nobody that has carried mail that long would say that it helps. When it works properly maybe if you were to use it as a phone it would help. With an IDB you got your signatures all in a row and the non signature items you didn’t have to do anything. You turned in your paper at the end of the day and the po4 inputted the info. Done. No dead batteries, no downed system, no digging for the pdt for every packet when your hands are full etc. I never expected a good idea to be received well be management anyhow so carry on. Instead they got to use their new words like archaic, dinosaurs, 80s, modern post. Lol. Keep up the good work fellas. What would a LC know about carrying mail anyhow.
Money is no object…..until contract time that is.
What a stupid post if anything more tech or better scanner are needed
And this is why CPC is so behind and the Union is even farther behind! Its 2025 people! Good post as always Ryan!
Better scanners are desperately needed. Only cpc could purposely waste money they supposedly didnt have in attempt to further tank this corporation. Who else in their right mind would purchase anything 5 years outdated straight out of the box
You clearly don’t understand the business if you don’t see value in tracking. While our competitors are using more and more tech to improve their models, be cheaper, faster and more reliable archaic thinking like this is sinking Canada Post.
So explain how a PDT is cheaper, faster and more reliable jr. I m waiting to hear this . Should hit alot of target points. Start with… moving forward….throw in a dynamic and swish it all down with a shifting business model. You will sound futuristic. I just figured the $90,000,000 price tag was enough to make you think about it. This forum is no place for an intelligent idea I know. I tried.
I dont think going back in time is a really intelligent idea but I do agree with one thing when the PDTs came in,they were already outdated and second hand.Thats where the waste of $$$ came in.However the yahoos who broke them on purpose just shows the intelligence of a lot of people in there
Wanna go back to writing bar codes on paper??:)
Yep and then putting them through that scanner on a 20+yr old computer using a program that doesn’t exist anymore!
Let’s go back 20 years and use manual IDBs because you don’t like the inconvenience of carrying a PDT, who cares what the customer wants, right? You don’t track your online purchases so that means nobody does? We should all just trust the system because nothing ever gets misdelivered, and nobody ever makes arrangements with neighbours to pick up a parcel sitting on their doorstep when they’re not home, knowing it’s been delivered after tracking it in real time. Porch pirates aren’t real, it’s a CPC conspiracy to introduce PDTs to track the movements of LCs, not to provide real time delivery information to customers who demand it. Might be time to hang em up there, Sr.
This is about money. I thought you wanted to save some. I am pretty sure that 95% of the people would not care if they could only track a parcel to the depos. Most people wouldn’t even know the difference. I still didn’t get an answer for why it is faster, cheaper or more reliable. To be honest I couldn’t care less about your processes. Do what you want. The company men seem to be blaming the union for giving advice on how they may better profit then turn around and call them dumb every time they spit ball an idea. We could lo jack every letter too. Maybe get little lights to put on the parcels when they get delivered in the dark. Take it out of petty cash.
Can you tell us how CPC will better profit from craft fairs, EV charging stations, senior check-ins and contracting in cleaning and snow removal contractors?
Lots of comments for and against the offer. Lots of lies coming from Cupw,Cpc you and me. Lots of people trying to influence your way of thinking and deciding. Lots who agree and disagree . In conclusion,I’ve graduated from lots and lots and lots. Gonna go and enjoy life.
I will bet the salaries bonuses and benefits of Cpc and Cupw presidents for the rest of this year, that the offer will be accepted or rejected.
Once we all calm down ,get your wits about you,use some common sense ,you’ll realize that only you can vote accept or reject. None of us require Cpc and Cupw to manipulate the narrative and pressure us into one direction or another. In simpleton terms ,don’t let the forementioned do your thinking,deciding for you. Forget the laws,constitution and what your uneducated co worker say. You are a person and decide how you see fit without fear or consequences . The uforia you feel inside is priceless when voting with your own mindset and confidence. I hope I’ve been some kind of inspiration to you as you have been to me.
Well said!
Whatever happens after all of this I just want to wish everyone the best in this life and the best in their work life at Canada Post
Bs boss you don’t care about anything other than you and your blessed corporation
Imposter, vote to accept and let’s get on with our lives.
Talk about the pot and the kettle.
Imposter pfft! You’re one to talk. Management doesnt get to vote so shut it and go away. YOU quit if you don’t like it
Not sure who is trying to impersonate me, but I hope you all have a great day, and vote whichever way you want
Vegas odds updated,
Accept offer. ..3 to 1
Reject offer….3 to 1
Don’t care………1 to 1
Leafs win Stanley Cup…1000 to 1
Why is it that all your idiotic thoughts get posted? It almost like the forum censors want to create an illusion that this whole contract is a game that doesn’t need to be taken seriously. You are not at all funny, witty, clever or amusing. Talking in circles about your dog and your wife and the maple leafs makes you sound like the
town idiot. Maybe you believe you are relieving tension? I think it is focused downplaying of the issues at hand.
He/she is management. They’re allowed to get away with absolutely anything as per usual
X mailman. Yea I have the coconuts to say mailman. Now inside worker who will vote to accept. May win,may lose but love my 5 minute washup every hour on the hour.
You only get 5 min washup before lunch.
Think about it, vote yes, accept and conquer, we will win the battle!
ACCEPT, ACCEPT, ACCEPT, thanks and good night!
Accept,reject its all up to you
Im voting for the Jays to win the world series.
In Gatineau QC, the private contractor delivers our parcels and our relays. Our trucks are empty but management insists it better that way, less costly. Check this; https://www.facebook.com/100064876620773/posts/quelque-part-%C3%A0-gatineau-ce-matin-grosse-question-ce-matin-je-nai-aucun-parti-pri/1162499392589271/
People are up in arms because the contractor left his door open and crossed a street to deliver a relay. Contracting out is always a bad idea, bad image, very costly and unsafe!
Quebec is also where amazon closed up shop because God forbid workers get a union to protect them. This is the ugly future which we need to fight tooth and nail
The Wal-Mart employees in Jonquière QC became the first in North America to be unionized when they joined the union in 2004. The store closed in 2005.
The union filed an appeal with the Supreme Court in 2013, arguing that the company violated a provision of the Quebec labour code by changing the workers’ conditions of employment without consent while the terms of the collective agreement were being negotiated.
So amazon could be next! Quebec labour code has better protections than the federal labour code. The labour movement across Canada needs to begin planning for broader political struggle and social mobilization rather than exclusively relying on bureaucratized back-and-forth of negotiations, mediations, and arbitration.
Bonne chance. I hope Amazon loses also!
This is why this vote doesn’t really matter LONG TERM.
Letters = cash flow positive
Admail = cash flow positive
Parcels cash flow negative
Whats CPC solution to the monetary crisis to expand the money losing sector of the company on the backs of the letter carriers.
CPC will probably increase revenue but not free cash flow. As they will only increase business on money losing sectors. Letter carriers weigh (total weight carried) will increase But so will the injury rate negating any Gains.
It’s not intelligent of this contractor not to close the door BEFORE crossing the street! He still has to close that door before his next stop…I hope!
I guess I’m slow.. how Is it everybody’s crying poor and can’t afford groceries, rent ,bills .Yet I was at a Toronto casino last Saturday and the place was packed. I mean poker tables were full ,slots,restaurants all were jammed. So you can’t pay bills but you can gamble. Wow I was a spectator cause I can’t afford to gamble. Maybe I will accept offer so I can gamble and not be just a spectator .
They work for purolator
People are so desperate for money that they go gambling thinking that they will get money back on their investments, even if it requires relaying on CCs , Lines of credit etc… a full casino doesn’t necessarily mean that people are doing great in life
Cpc you pay me or you pay me later. Accept offer pay now,reject offer pay later through binding arbitration.
Just because I disagree with your choice doesn’t mean you can’t agree with mine.
I hit accept button and then hit confirm button .Then I hit myself in the mouth for not rejecting the accept or confirm button.
I wish workers understood the arbitration process. The only time, and this is completely verifiable, the workers got less than what Canada Post’s last offer was was in 2011. Harper’s government wrote less wage increases into the back-to-work legislation. CUPW sued because doing so is unconstitutional. CUPW won that lawsuit. Arbitration, just like in sports, starts with the employer’s final offer…we cannot get less. People who have claimed we got less than CP’s offer in 2018 are 100% wrong. We got less than what the union asked for, but we did not get less than what was offered by the corporation. This is how the law works…just look it up!
Nice try. If that’s the case, you’d better tell the Union not to go back to negotiating.
What sports are you talking about ? How you can legally guarantee you cannot get less something when you did not want it?
How does the last offer of the employer become the base in arbitration and hold the employer not renege it if it was officially and legally refused and therefore void? The employer is not obliged to carry it on, you refused it!! Is this the way the law works?
Yes! It’s the way arbitration works. When a third party comes in to arbitrate a contract, they start with the employer’s final offer because that’s what they were willing to go with if the union agreed to it. The offer is not void! Why on Earth would you just make this up?? Read the law!
No, that’s not the way arbritation works.
Since CPC REJECTED binding arbitration, the Final Offer, can be changed. Therefore it is not a unchangable baseline offer, as you claim, that can be improved on. ONLY had BOTH parties agreed to binding arbitration would the Final Offer be required to stay unaltered. I read the law.
I would love to know what section and paragraph you read, please. If you can point it out and what you say is true, I will cease posting. Since I know it isn’t true…as I have talked to 2 Labour Law lawyers in my immediate family about this numerous times…then I’ll keep telling people how wrong they are.
Oh good you read the law, that’s good enough for me lol
To “just sayin”. You should be “just sayin’ nothing”.
News flash. CPC rejected binding arbitration. There is no arbitration process. There is nothing to arbitrate.
You are in total error.
News flash?? Do you not remember 2018? Arbitration was forced by the government. Nobody has to agree on anything when the government is involved. They created a “resumption act” to force both parties into arbitration. I love how people with zero knowledge on this subject make stuff up to suit their needs….
To: July 28 8:17 am
Talking about right now.
Not about 2018. Not about forced arbitration back then.
Arbitration has not been accepted by both sides TODAY.
It ONLY means the Employer’s last offer is the base, IF both sides (CUPW/CPC) agree to binding arbitration- BUT in the case where an offer is presented and then refused by CUPW- the offer from CPC comes off the table-Also, IF CUPW rejects this offer and convinces CPC back to negotiate- CPC could CHANGE their offer to something worse and then going to arbitration would be difficult on CUPW
That’s correct, minus the signing bonus.
You are totally incorrect. Enough of your gaslighting.
Always worse offer in arbitration.
Government can do whatever they want whether it’s unconstitutional or not — they can and will change legislation to get what they want especially in this case .. they want an end to the years disagreement
So fire all of upper management. Problem solved
Canada Post doesn’t have to agree to arbitration, they have the right to lock us out. The government that you are counting on to rescue cupw with arbitration is the same one that commissioned the Kaplan report, and is having a new Canada Post mandate written. If the government follows the advice of their experts this new mandate and the Kaplan report could gut Canada Post. If you are planning to implement huge cost saving cuts why would the government rush to arbitration, instead ride it out until cupw gives in or the mandate is released. As per the prime minister’s request each minister has to have their portfolio cost cuts outlined by August, it looks like this plan would work out well.
That is the most asinine thing I’ve read here, and that’s saying a lot! Canada Post absolutely has to agree to binding arbitration if government says so. You think the government will just shut down all mail service until their updated mandate?? Insane!
CPC will have arbiration imposed on them eventually but how long before the government steps in?
We were on strike for 5 weeks during Christmas, customers found alternatives. There are no volumes right now, we could be locked out for 10 weeks or even longer and the country would survive as long as ss cheques were delivered. That would take us to about when the mandate is due. Cupw still wants to negotiate with no government involvement or arbitration , maybe the minister will listen and let the parties duke it out. No one can say this round of contract talks and all the comments haven’t been entertaining.
100% correct.
However, there is the threat of being locked out which will cause Canada Post to lose even more customers than we already lost after the strike in November.
If we had taken CPC last offers last few negotiations we would be making over $40hr right now so quit saying we do better with arbitration and if we did better with arbitration why was union so headset against it
Wow. There it is! You hit the nail on the head. If we always did better in arbitration, we would never strike. We would go straight to arbitration. I wish the poster understood that!
The “poster” doesn’t understand that because it’s ridiculous! The union wants to negotiate the best deal for the workers. If they just went to arbitration every time, they’d be taking the best offer from the company…there is a massive difference. I’m not saying we always do better in arbitration, not once did I say that. I said we can’t do worse!
No, you’d be making $24/hr with less benefits.
Over $40 right now? with what cpc considers to be increases? Maybe by 2050.
I won’t quit saying it because it’s true! They were against arbitration in November because, at the time, Canada Post was offering something like 10.-something % in wage increases and threatened rollbacks in pension and benefits. CUPW, like every single union on the planet, wanted to negotiate a better deal. They knew going to arbitration meant STARTING AT THE COMPANY’S OFFER! This is not hard to figure out. Since then our wage offer has gone up to 13%, benefits and pension will be untouched. That’s why they’re willing to go to arbitration to hammer out the last details…because they know, and follow me once more please, THAT THEY CAN’T GET LESS THAN WHAT THE COMPANY OFFERED! This is all easily verifiable if you took three seconds to look it up. I’ve tried to copy and paste pages of proof, but I’m being censored.
We absolutely CAN GET LESS than what CPC is presently offering. As you said, CUPW refused binding arbitration, back in November because what CPC offered was a poor guaranteed starting point. If CUPW had accepted CPC’s binding arbitration offer back then, we would have been guaranteed that offer. It could be improved on but we wouldn’t get less than what is already there.
However, offers are guaranteed ONLY if BOTH sides agrees to binding arbitration. Right now, CPC has rejected binding arbitration so the Final Offer from CPC is NOT guaranteed. We COULD end up getting LESS. If the NO votes wins, the Final Offer could be withdrawn or changed.
I did look this up and verified it.
I wonder if you could share a link or source. Everything I’ve seen, heard and read on the process doesn’t have that stipulation.
You’re making the assumption this goes straight to arbitration. If this offer is rejected, there could very well be a lockout that deteriorates the financial situation further, and they may put out another offer that is worse than this one; their new ‘final offer’ could become the baseline.
None of us are labour lawyers, and these negotiations have been anything but normal. Never has the government stepped in to have a contract voted on; we all think we know how this works but really we are all just speculating.
If they put out another final”final” offer that’s worse to existing it too will be rejected. Its not rocket science. These guys are not getting off the hook again this time. Time for cpc to put the big boy pants on cuz we ain’t playing
Here an good idea, fire all the no voters. Close down canada post open a division with workers who voted yes
Excellent idea. And as your reward for being a yes monkey this new dream division of yours will likey be paid less than $20 an hour with 15-20 hrs a week and no benefits . Enjoy the fruits of your yes vote
Whatever, I still voted yes.
You are 100% correct. You wont get less with arbitration.
There are a thousand reasons to accept the offer.
And 700 pages of fine print to not accept!
REJECT this horrible offer if you have not yet voted. I am retiring soon but I could not in good conscience vote for this garbage contract and hang the future workers out to dry.
garbage
, voted yes
Thank you for thinking of us!
The future workers will see a different CPC than we did…Im retiring soon also but I want to see CPC really getting competitive not living in the dinosaur age so I voted YES so there would be future employees!
lol future employees will be all part time, CPC wants to gut the workforce as it exists
Better than closing down completely.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-post-union-to-challenge-arbitrator-1.980231
Please read this article if you think the government, or the binding arbitration process, will get us less than what the employer is offering in their “final offer”. Stephen Harper, in 2011, unconstitutionally included less than what CP was offering in his back-to-work legislation, a lawsuit was filed, and the government lost. It cannot be done. We will NOT get less than what has been offered…we could only get more. Read your laws, people. Quit making stuff up!
Since I have indecisive issues,I asked my dog Cupw should I accept or reject? In English he told me if you accept it ,you can’t reject it. Then my dog Cupw again english said if you think as a dog I speak english,you have greater issues then being indecisive. Hum,? Maybe
Just got back from Cuba and I paid for it through a silly thing called work. Unlike my good friends at Cupw I don’t use other people’s money,union dues to pay for trips,party’s, hotels. I guess having a conscious is not important to them. And yes Cuba was great.
A conscience? What’s that?! Followers and their Fearless Leaders dont have one
Instead of everybody’s union dues paying for Cupw executives trips,salaries benefits,how about take a months union dues and put em towards something meaningful and important such as creating quality jobs,hiring more health professionals ,making streets safer on and on.
I want to give Cupw executives the opportunity to pay for my upcoming vacation to Cuba this winter.
Whos with me?
It must be great to travel to exotic places like the grocery store,pharmacy also known as liquor store ,Walmart Tim Hortons etc while others not mentioning names Cupw executives go to Bahamas,Cuba Niagara etc. I’ve heard my union dues pay for those trips,but I believe that’s a lie cause Cupw never lies nor does Cpc.
Oh no! Lol…They never lie! In fact one lies and the other swears to it!
CUPW is already lying about members being forced to vote.
No one is being forced to do anything.
I don’t see members being threatened to vote.
It’s everyone’s choice to vote.
There are people I know who have decided to not vote.
So CUPW is full of BS.
Not only that some of the laziest people are running CUPW.
The vote is being forced by the federal government, through the CIRB. It’s not a lie.
The 6 yrs I spent in high school and still didn’t graduate,really helped me put this comment together. The point is obvious that had I not wasted 6 yrs in high school I’d be President of Cpc.
I have made hundreds of comments because I have no life and none of them have ever been posted….until now Thank You . P S. now im going to Walmart to but a life
The following prapaganda is a smoke a joint co production of Cpc and Cupw…working together for a better tomorrow.
Stop picking on each other . How pathetic we must be to keep complaining in this platform about fellow members. Then complain about Cpc,Cupw and their ways of conducting business. There are worse places and jobs I know I’ve worked since I was 16 and what we have is a goldmine. So here’s a crazy idea. Let’s work together instead of against each other.
You can’t work together with management of a corporation that doesn’t want to work with you.
Being a p04 in big city Canada,I am willing to share in the philosophy of receiving bonuses just executives,doing even less work then I do now just like executives and least and last continue this trend for life….just like executives. I believe my attitude is very professional….just like executives. Thank You
I voted yes.tried to vote yes a second time but got rejected.
Me too
You should have voted to reject. Then they won’t reject your subsequent votes to reject the final offer.
Up til now my indecisiveness disorder prevented me from accepting or refusing the offer. Fortunately I’ve resolved this issue. My problem now is I can’t make up my mind
Get rid of all th no vote people ans use it to give the yes vote people a bigger raise
As my favorite wife of all time tells me daily if you dont like it ,you know where the door is! That statement holds true for everyone at Cpc and Cupw!
There is no way I would accept to reject the offer… unless I reject to accept the offer. Yes I wrote this by myself…with help of a 5 year old
Is there anything anybody doesn’t complain about in regards to Cpc or Cupw?
I respect everyone’s choice…as long as they agree with me.
Is that you Just Sayin? Nudge nudge wink wink!
If reject wins,Cupw wants Cpc to return to bargaining table until an agreement is reached. That means this could last a loooong time. In that case our union dues will need to increase to accommodate them in their Doubletree Hotel and Resort in Niagara Falls. If I was them I’d drag it on as loooooong as possible and have the puppets continue to pay for it. Does anyone see any problem with this ?
NEB didn’t believe any offer from Cpc was worthy enough that the members should vote on it. When did NEB start playing God,? And why didn’t NEB just say we recommend you vote no to any offer ,but we will let you vote on it. Again NEB being puppetmaster and you and I as puppets . I guess you enjoy being puppets. I DONT !ACCEPT ALL THE WAY!
I will not vote until my Leafs win the Stanley Cup.
I will continue my hunger strike until we get an agreement. So far I’ve gained 12 pounds since May. I said hunger strike ,not beer strike .
Refresh my memory who told us that the union was negotiating for cleaners and snow removal people. I’d really like to know who’s lying to me..
HARD YES YES YES
They were negotiating for the Janitors and getting winter tires bought for the RSMCs…But then they kept harping on postal banking,Senior check-ins, internet cafes and the list went on and on.Personally I think RSMCs should have a corp vehicle like the LCs
I still have strike signs from last Christmas if anyone wants some for this Christmas.
You’ll need to change the signs from “on strike” to “locked out” .
OK soup! If you were on the picket line, you’d know that’s what is written on the other side of the sign.
Don’t know what signs you had but ours didn’t say that.
I promised my husband if accept wins I’d leave him. He promised me if rejects wins he’d leave me. Either way we both win. Lol
Accept or Reject. And the winner is…….
Stay tuned … next week same bat time ,same bat station.
My cat told me to vote NO. Pro lem is I can’t find no on my choices,only accept or reject. Maybe I should ask my dog.,
I’m still waiting to read an intelligent comment. I only have til Aug 1. Can anybody ,somebody write something that requires a brain cell,
After majority accept the offer,I’m taking my $1000 minus deductions and buying crying towels for those who rejected and are now rejects.
You have nothing better to do then read this comment.Wow. cause I have nothing better to do then write this comment.
don t let the propaganda from both sides
influence your vote
use your good sense
Harpers government proposed to convert all CP routes into CMBs, the Union was so against that… 10 years later Liberal government , agree that CMB are essential for CP
Harper sent us back to work, preventing a strike or lockout…. 10 years later the liberal government even though they allowed for a strike and lockout to happen, the fact is that eventually the government had to step in, because striking was getting us nowhere, CP was going bankrupt and customers are going somewhere else , putting our jobs at risk.
It took a long time to see the reality, but once again common sense is the best policy.
Well, everyone has been saying our job is in jeopardy for 30 years since I’ve started, they will be fine, quit trying to scare the newbies
The POCUR app takes six weeks to update whether a POC wants flyers or not.
But now you’re gonna implement, SSD, dynamic routing, & load levelling?
And tell us THAT morning what we are doing?
HAHAHAHAHA
why isn’t the union talking about the postal review, on the horizon,
It’s what going to determine what and how the corporation is going to look like…hope the liberals have some better social programs for the affected employees…
Only fans looking like a viable option for me
Canada post is a crown corporation liberals run it and ruined it through poor management…your union wanted you to vote liberal as they are an extension of liberal government.. Liberals are now ordering a postal review, which will eventually lead to the opening of the charter. The beginning of the end for most employees, whether you’re a strong union believer or not. So regardless of how this vote goes Canada, post will not look he same in a couple of years Take the current offer and run with it.. as for what the future holds nobody knows, but you can guarantee layoffs. … Let’s not forget the liberals sent us back to work and who recommended that this contract be voted on…
You’ve posted the same thing already lol we get it boss, you want to scare everyone
Wonder what the new logo for Puro Post is going to look like after Canada Post closes and merges assets and business with Purolater.
I recently had a supervisor threaten me with discipline for leaving mail behind in my end of isle cart. Turns out it was someone else’s mail, and they just dumped it on my cart. This supervisor couldn’t even do the bare minimum and check whose walk the mail belonged to.
Ceding any more control to these people is an absolute non-starter. REJECT
So in other words, you were not disciplined but can sure exaggerate eh??
The remarks and complaint is that the supervisor did not verify BEFORE accusing the worker!
Why would he be disciplined? Did you read the story? I am not sure where the exaggeration is either. I have had similar incidents over the years with green soups too. Been given 5 day flyers and told to deliver in 3 days at
the lower rate. Been harrassed about stolen parcels on my route that turned out to have been delivered by the CUS driver. Been interrogated about misdeliveries only to find out that it
was done during my vacation or day
off. His point is I believe, that having a
glut of supervision that knows nothing
is bad. Lol
Read before you make a not so intelligent remark! Only a Boss thinks that way! BOSS
Good. You come here and whine instead of doing something about it. Call up your dear union for hElP.
Yes definitely let your union rep know if you feel harrassed. I am not sure the level of aggression in your case but left unreported these situations always seem to continue. This attitude that you are a whiner for not wanting to be antagonised at the end of your day after probably delivering a flawless day by a rookie soup, needs to be stopped. It is an AAAHAA moment for alot of them when your vest is 3/4s zipped up but they don’t know what a SOM is
Great co-worker you have, setting you up for discipline by dumping their mail on you.
Exactly. I wonder how many other misdeeds and nefarious activites exist at that station…
Wow! The Cupw reps have sure stepped up their game in trying to push everyone into refusing the offer. Maybe they should be informing everyone that if the offer is rejected there will be no signing bonus, no wage increase, no job security and we will be at the mercy of binding arbitration and possible a lengthy lockout. I sure hope common sense prevails and we accept this offer.
Obviously you are unaware how arbitration works. We cannot get less than what Canada Post is offering.
Obviously you don’t remember past arbitration decisions.
Even in 2011 we did better in arb than the company’s offer. Wake up and stop spreading nonsense.
Absolutely untrue. It’s you who is spreading this total nonsense.
People are voting YES because they remember how past arbitrations went.
I recall 2018 where we got more than the final offer, and with no roll backs.
It’s not total recall.
Yes, I do. And in those arbitrations, we didn’t get less than what Canada Post was offering. In fact, we got a little more. But facts don’t matter I guess.
If cupw and *no* voters refused it, then why so sure not getting less than Canada Post is offering?
When binding arbitration occurs, the last offer of the employer becomes a base line. If they were willing to offer that to have the union agree, they can’t renege. They can take the bonus away, but the wage increase and other details remain while the two sides try to come to an agreement.
Ahahaha! Total hogwash!
That’s hilarious! If that was true, we would never accept any final offer since, arbitration will always guarantee a better deal!
How does the last offer of the employer become the base in arbitration and hold the employer not renege it if it was officially and legally refused and therefore void? Is this the way the law works?
What make you think CPC will keep the same offer for arbitration? With continuous uncertainty, CPC’s financial position will deteriorate further, and they cannot offer the same wage increase even if they wish, and they may even have to bring back the new DC pension and retirement benefit cuts.
On that note if things truly as bad as cpc likes to make it out, does anyone not think they’d be handling things differently with more sense of urgency if its all so bad?. They seem quite content to allow this saga to keep dragging on ad nauseum hoping for the govt to step in to save them. I call BS on everything they say and do in their war to promote their warped agenda against all employees
Oh yes we can .. some of you people are delusional if you think we can walk away from this with no less than the current offer.. bonus is gone forsure (not that I want to see that, it should be an added on 1.75% raise- that’s what it translates to) but in all actuality there can be government legislation to change the whole delivery model and who’s going to stop them if that’s what the govt wants.. vote No and we can bank on this mark my words.
You absolutely can get less. Also, if it happens to be a reject vote, the company no longer has to pander to the employees because they made their choice. Benefits and contract will be pulled, which will trigger a strike until the arbitration process wraps up. So, with that in mind, you will likely be much worse off than before. If you think that you will get more from arbitration than why was the union dead set against it before?
Boss, you’re threatening employees again! That’s why there so much problems at Canada Post; lack of respect for employees by management!
Typical CULTW response.
Respect goes both ways
Good leader lead by example, so respect starts from the top down!
If just sayin said so it must be true. He is a soup
I don’t think you or anyone on this forum is an expert on arbitration, so speculating on this is foolish. Every once in a while you come on here, and it’s clear you have a dislike for any cupw employee. I’ll ask you one again, Why do you hate us so much?
Don’t know what your talking about but I have been working for CPC for over 30yrs and every single time we went to arbitration after refusing final offer we always ended up getting less than the final offer if we had accepted final offer on those occasions we would be making over $40hr right now
You are absolutely right.
last arbitration we ended up with 2% first year instead of the offered 5. If it happens again we will have to pay back 3% of the backpay we recieved . Just tack that onto the 5000 we lost with the strike and the 1000 we will lose from the signing bonus. let’s also hope we don’t get locked,although that means the union won’t have to give our 58 bucks strike pay
What year was that Ken? Been here 25 years. That never happened
He said last arbitration.
Been here 25 years? Then you have a poor memory.
You’re wrong. And I brought receipts!
https://www.cupw.ca/en/urban-new-cpc-proposal
Before arbitration started, CP tried to lower the wage offer again and arbitrator MacPherson didn’t allow it.
Obviously you haven’t been around long, every time we’ve gone to arbitration, we’ve lost.
Obviously you haven’t got a clue! The ONLY time we lost more in arbitration is when Harper illegally (and we won the suit) gave us less after sending us back to work. I can’t believe you people don’t know how this works! This is your job, your livelihood…read a book! The employer cannot give less than what they offered when they go to binding arbitration. We will get your 13% (or more). We will get the benefits. We will get everything they offered because they are legally binding to do so! You people have to be the most uneducated mass of workers I’ve ever seen! READ THE LAWS! The things arbitration will focus on is the language and the feasibility of SSD, load leveling, dynamic routing, etc. Everything else stays the same or improves because, once again, that’s the law!
The corp is no slouch when it comes to propaganda
Keep living in Moms basement every thing is great
I agree 100%
Union want to assure many workers that by voting no they will continue having infinite overtime and own their routes forever because the company must guarantee this as a sort of entitlement share in the company. Pandemic period of massive overtime is long gone, financial sustainability comes in the first place now, but many think this game will play forever so they stick to it, and the union is playing it.
As is the corporation with its doomsday scenarios
The doomsday scenario is real. You probably went out today with a couple scannables and an LFT for the whole day
Yes boss
So what its it to you?. Do you own canada post? Are you paying people out of your own account? Stop harassing people like a super out here like you do at work
Why do you dislike cupw members so much? We all would like to know. Are you even employed by CPC?
Yea, you’re the one that wanted to give all the parcels to Purolator! You’re the one complaining that the fleet is back early! You’re also the one that wants the letter carriers to continue rushing…that’s the real doomsday scenario!!
if it is doomsday why are they giving out bonus
Yet soups get endless OT. And there seems to be no end in hiring more of them, even with less mail being processed.
If anyone thinks that including the union, wait until the postal mandate this fall. We could deliver 3 days a week rather than our current situation. My walk has quite a few seniors, they agree Canada Post is needed but even they admit that they don’t require delivery 5 days a week and would be fine with 3 day delivery.
It turns out CUPW’s “..goal has never been to strike” but “to get a negotiated contract,” . So cute
This announcement comes after union’s epic failure of 19 months overdue negotiations with no results. Does that mean union members should address janitors for the 5
weeks salary loss during strike
Nowhere near as cute as cpc management not owning the financial losses for the last 7 years and trying to stick the cuts only to the employees.
The union didn’t know what it wanted and still doesn’t know what it wants…they wanted arbitration when they herd we had to vote on this now their telling you they want to negotiate some more… So if a no vote wins and we get locked out the government, we’ll impose binding arbitration, which is not a negotiated contract….
Oh BS! Lol! They had every intention of striking from the get go! They wanted to show CPC they meant BUSINESS! And we all know what that got us
CUPW cant accept that 80% of Canadians dont really care now they have too many other options
I realize most of of those who hate CUPW and therefore, by some twisted logic, will accept this offer won’t bother reading this, but it answers almost all of your questions. Not that it matters too much, more than half of the Urban unit has voted already. But if you’re still on the fence, have a look;
https://www.cupw.ca/en/campaign/resources/frequently-asked-questions-canada-post%E2%80%99s-forced-final-offer-votes
They cupw NEB talk like “they” are the union and we are just members of their cult!! Read it again and you’ll see that they are dictators!
I couldn’t care what happens. All I know is when there is more work, which is what this disaster will create, there will be less people willing to do it, and more OT for me. All these temp employees looking for hrs, can’t work a full week, and it’s use vets picking up the slack. So I’ll be ready for extra work and $$$. Oh yeah and I’ll be working at everyone else’s pace. Talking inside for an hour before going out to deliver.
You should care. It would be better to get the raises we need to cover inflation from the last few years, so we don’t have to work OT. Spend more time with family and friends, same pay checks without the OT.
8. If Dynamic Routing is implemented at my facility, will I need to bid on a new route every day?
No. Under the Dynamic Routing model, employees will select, by seniority, a work schedule within a consistent delivery area.
Dynamic Routing will be implemented at no more than 3% of delivery facilities – or 10 facilities – for initial testing and validation.
Read the Dynamic Routing fact sheet to learn more.
This is my favourite. We will no longer have a route, but a delivery area and work schedule. So yeah it’s totally different, that’s why you can’t say route. We DO NOT KEEP OUR ROUTES!!!
REJECT!
if you dont like it. QUIT! thousands of unemployed individual are willing to take the job.
Wanna bet? You think 20 somethings want to work here? We’ve had a few at our depot, they’ve quit after a month
If not 20 somethings, there will be many more other people who would want to work for what CPC pays.
…or, we will not quit. We will negotiate a contract that is fair and moves forward. Not backwards. That was a nice like it or leave inspirational 5 minute talk there junior. When you have 5 years in as soup we will talk again.
Out with CPC management first! They obviously cannot their jobs for the last 7 years!
Here in Toronto just like your great cities ,theres not a lot jobs that pay what Canada Post does with good benefits. I know I’ve checked it out and I’m glad to work for Cpc. Is it a perfect system? No. But it’s perfect that allows us better then average lifestyle. And yes Cupw should be thanked because it really is a team effort .Apparently,as of this comment they are negotiating so hope for an agreement before Aug 1
Lol
I am not sure how you live in Toronto on a postie salary. You must be upper management or have two other jobs.
It’s great to read through comments that brothers and sisters allow each other agree and disagree. Your not always gonna get along and that’s fine. Just have some respect for each other cause Cpc and Cupw doesn’t have any for us.
I am genuinely confused as to the union rhetoric and countless people saying that Canada Post is a bad place to work, with horrible morale and incompetent management.
I like my job. I like my co-workers. I like the supervisors and I like the fact that I rarely work more than six hours a day. I don’t feel, overworked or underappreciated or that I am forced to work in dangerous conditions.
I am paid well for what is basically a mindless job, there is not a huge amount of responsibility and I am never bothered by anyone outside of work hours.
We are better off than most, look around. If you can find something easier to do that pays better and has better hours…go. There are thousands of people that will happily take a job with Canada Post.
The union and the whiners have a world view that is inconsistent with a large number of Canada Post employees. Those people would not be happy not matter where they worked or who their employer was.
This may be a big city thing where you don’t know your supervisors and everyone is a stranger, but in small town Canada this is much less of an issue. Our kids play on teams together, we play on hockey, softball and pool with members of our management team. They are not out to get us and the union is always telling us. I truly feel sorry for the people who think that way, your lives must be quite lonely and desperate when everyone is out to get you….
I’m not sure anyone is necessarily saying Canada Post is a bad place to work. Sure, some people are targeted by management (I’ve seen it, hasn’t happened to me) but I love my job. It’s the whole reason I rejected this offer. The offer opens up a door to completely change what we do, which is fine because we need to change, but not at the workers’ expense. Remember, WE did nothing wrong. We came in sorted our mail and delivered. Done. WE didn’t spend like crazy on things that aren’t needed. WE didn’t receive 6 figure salaries and bonuses while the company apparently lost billions of dollars. WE didn’t give away contracts to Purolator. Until Canada Post cleans their house from the top, there is no reason to treat the workers this way. And I don’t mean about THIS offer, which is good for the things we get to keep, but kills us in 2028. They’ve already said what they want to do; accepting this offer makes it infinitely easier for them to do it.
Good post. Agreed that accepting this means that next round we could be in trouble
Then you vote on that contract don’t use this contract in fear of what’s to come fight the good fight when needed not on fear anything will happen next time that’s idiotic
One contract leads to how the next goes. We accept the non-language of this contract, the next will be infinitely worse. Quit looking at the “now” and realize it affects EVERYTHING in the future!
With this company there is a progression. Wait till 2028 and then you’ll see what they have in store
This is the reason for our NO vote!
Yea, and the mail system is changing. What used to work 20 years ago, no longer works now. YOU get salaries, so regardless of how many hours you work, YOU are guaranteed to make 8 hours per day. YOU get paid time and a half if you finish your work and help someone else, even if it’s within that 8 hour window. YOU get double time if you help yet another person with their route even if it’s in that 8 hour window. That’s what I call stupid spending.
I think YOU should get an hourly wage just like the rest of us. I don’t think YOU should be entitled to that high of a pay raise when you already get the amount of money you do. Greed, that’s all that is.
Time to move along with the times. I accepted this offer. I wish more would.
That’s called a classic stealing of time and money scheme, and many like that abuse. CPC want to change it, CUPW continue covering and defending it.
Bravo! You’ve summed up what most feel at Canada Post.
You started off well, saying you genuinely like everyone you work with. Then you went off and started describing the union as a bunch of whiners. Nice try boss, better luck trolling.
Thank you for proving my point about the difference of world view. I am just a meager lc, but because I do not share your viewpoint, I must be a boss…out to get ya!
No, it’s just funny that you’re trying to impersonate a letter carrier
Come in out of rural Canada and see how soups harass bully and constantly prey on employees for the most inconsequential things. Anybody at your depot been sent home for 3 days because vest not zipped up? Or god forbid you didnt back your transit into its spot?Likely not. You how much money both of those infractions cost the company and yet thays what they worry and blame us for. I envy you. Wish i could get out of Toronto. Sick of this garbage!
So being disciplined for breaking health and safety rules is harassing and bullying?
Oh because those are the real issues we face. Pull your head out of the soup sand. Go count elastics or washer fluid jugs
You know where the door is. Your allegations of bullying are not true for people who just do their jobs. Supervisors prefer the path of least resistance and do not seek out frivolous infractions. That’s just making work for them and they already have enough busy work from this company.
And once again Just Soupin stirring the pot
Why don’t you use the door?You seem to have it in with everyone that doesnt see it in your supervisor way. Do one!
I’m not the one flirting with a crippling work stoppage for the last 10 months. I’m happy to be here while you try to grab the steam trays from the buffet. Always thinking about yourself and the good old days. Remember the days of tv guide, sports illustrated and 10 invoices a month for every home? It’s all gone.
Don’t cate anything you say. Do one
Either way if we go down you go down so enjoy!
Your life sounds like a lot of hand holding and Koom bye ya singing. I work in the small town under an ego maniac boy monster with about a quarter the seniority of most carriers.It is horrible. If the child king ever gets the power of load leveling I know about 3 employees that will be
driven out in 6 months. It’s that bad.
Sounds exactly like Just Soupin
I have no sarcasm in me that I’m aware of. So those who are making funny comments pls continue because I need to laugh . Oh wait I’m already laughing at Cpc and Cupw. Told you I had no sarcasm that I was aware of. Laugh in loud.
Lay off all the people who voted No and keep all the people that voted yes.
Layoff all the people who voted to accept, and contract out their positions.
I agree. Why should the rest of us suffer with the consequences of their vote? They don’t want to move forward…fine, then they should have to move along and work elsewhere.
Vote
1. Accept
2. Reject
3. Combo of Accept/Reject
4. Just give me the winning lottery numbers so I can quit.
Does Canada Post really they can bribe us uneducated ,running on emotions,workers with a $ 1000 just so we can accept an offer we don’t fully understand,? Are we really that stupid?
Yes
Yes!!!
Hell ya
It’s not a bribe, it’s an offer. You either take it or lose it! It’s been already 19 months, isn’t this enough for you to get uneducated ,running off emotions and fully understand what’s in the offer?
Oh make no mistake, it is a bribe. Anyone willing to grab low hanging fruit, go ahead. It’ll come back on you. Anyone remember the corporate team incentive? That lasted a couple of years, then poof, it was gone.
I do remember the corporate team incentive, CTI as it was known. This was only paid out yearly if CPC made a profit. Paid out for 3 years. We recieved a little over $4,100 during that time. Nobody expected to get much. It was a pleasant surprise.
Wrong, was laid twice, less than 1700 bucks total, cleared less than 1000, we sold out for that pipe dream, should’ve know it was garbage, CPC kept setting the targets too high so they wouldn’t have to pay us the bonus
plus 14% plus no change to benefits, plus 7 additional personal days plus increased pay for Short Term disability.
It’s not 7 additional personal days. It’s the same amount we get now (13) it’s just that they’ll write the 7 into the CBA, which they didn’t previously. You’re buying everything they’re selling.
It’s 13 with 6 government days and who says we will. Keep those 6 days with change in government but putting those 6 days in our contract guarantee we will keep them
I can see a recount happening if the vote is close. Screaming invalid votes ,missed votes,corruption deception. What ti do, ? Go to Cuba of course. Lol lol lol
It won’t be close. I’m predicting 78% reject.
It should be higher, but some are new and some are broke so…
It’s the other way around, with over 75% accepting the offer. There will be no recount even if the results are close, because votes are tallied by a computer system and not subject to human counting ‘errors’ like the strike vote by CUPW.
You got that right!!
If you take off with management, it’ll be better at Hawaii.
It’s hard to understand why voting on an offer—final or not—would be such an issue. If you like the offer, you vote YES. If you don’t, you vote NO. Unions, at least in my opinion, should follow the will of their members. So why was the union so strongly against letting members vote on any of the offers?
Unions have exclusive bargaining rights for their members. As such, they will bargain until they feel there is an offer good enough to vote on.
Can’t wait till they lock us out and all the silly people that voted NO cry like babies that they can’t understand why they are not working their 5hr jobs hahahah
No way there is a lockout, and no way that you are a union member lol
Voting to reject will be a good reason for a lockout. The last couple months have been a charity case to sign a deal. A reject is you laying out the cards, but not having the best cards.
A reject is anyone wishing bad upon employees especially in management which you so obviously are
we got offered the carrot, get ready for the stick
So you WANT be locked out, just to see those who voted no cry?
That’s some strange reasoning.
Yes soup, who’s parading as a LC.
I’m confused. The Cupw bargaining committee strongly recommend to vote NO. But when I went to vote my choices were accept or reject i did see NO anywhere. Nice to see the Cupw intelligence coming through. One day I wanna be that smart. Yea your right I better lower my standards.
canada said to vote yes what is the differents
Now that we’re 5 months away from Christmas,is it too early start planning the parties using our union dues?
I keep reading Cupw executives always going to Cuba using our union dues. Just a guess but won’t it be better to use our union dues on something better like offering the members $ 1001 bribe to reject offer?
Don’t be so greedy. $1000.01.
Need more than $1000 to join CPC management in Hawaii.
they want to go and see how people live without basic necessities so they can advise us how to live on strike pay
Yuuup I read the offer,the whole damn thing. There’s nothing good on TV and I needed to find a hobby. Ok, so my honest conclusion is that by accepting the offer ,you are not rejecting the offer. And by rejecting the offer,you are not accepting the offer . Gotta go my wifes about to yell at me… again
Let’s turn every plant and depot across the land to halfway houses for those in need. The rest of us can get payout with pension and work as…food delivery drivers. Great exercise.
Let’s be clear. Accept or reject CUPW is in for a rude awakening in the coming years. Embrace the change or look elsewhere. Problem is there’s nowhere else to look for these archaic type of jobs.
The fight we are putting up is not worth the reward we are looking for because it doesn’t exist any longer.
As far as work processes are concerned just let them fo whatever they want. Management has proven time and time again that their level of competence is non existent when it comes to actually running the operation. Let them fail as it’s all they know how to do.
However you vote it doesn’t really matter in the long term as the change is going to happen regardless.
Good luck to everyone I hope you all vote.
Yup you don’t need Canada Post but order them back and legislate. The more things Change the more they stay the same.
I’d rather go down fighting and take management with us. That’s why I voted to reject the final offer.
No logic there. Management is going nowhere. Thanks for demonstrating your lack of intelligence
Vote for No guys. Let CPC sink. We don’t want to work with this offer. Actually we don’t want to work at all. Let CPC close down. It would be great to not work at all rather than accepting this offer. Yeahhh!
Take it easy with the drama. Cpc isn’t going anywhere. There’s loads of money for them to make once this fiasco is over. Money will magically reappear once they stop purposely tanking this corporation
Exactly!
CPC have been intentionally tanking the corporation.
Oh no. Another CULTW theory. They started out by saying CPC is really making money and now the narrative is they are losing money on purpose. What next?
Yes no government trying to break workers in Canada but helping other countries
VOTE , ACCEPT, GOD, BLESS!
Amen brother
hope enough see the light
Being a long time union supporter I was ready to reject offer. But………..everyday for the past I’ve received text messages from Cupw president on the bad things that will happen if I accept offer. Using fear,intimidation,threats don’t work on me or you and has resulted in me hating Cupw and will vote accept offer. Cupw tactics failed .
Same here
You can name the truth anything you want. But the union is telling you the truth. Its a bad offer, if you can call it an offer at all. A yes vote will set workers back, not forward. And the joke is Canada Post owes the workers 1000’s of dollars. Yet all they are offering is a 1000 dollars which will end up less than 700 hundred dollars, after taxes. Some battles are short, some battles are long, but this battle will be well worth it. Why did people join Canada Post? Because they wanted all the things workers (in the past) along with their union fought for. Things like job security, strong full-time jobs and part-time. Pensions, job safety, good wages, maternity leave, fairness for all workers, health benefits etc. Canada Post used to be seen as a good place to work for, not so much anymore. Its sad to see so many in here unwilling to fight to improve their own lives. And how many executives are pushing you to do just that, in here. No doubt they’ll get big bonuses if Canada Post wins this one. And some postal workers will be fired.
With a postal review coming this fall, there’s going to be job losses on both sides. Better off taking the agreement,…
All of the things you mentioned that were fought for are still included in this offer. Sooooo?
Different decades, different years mean different battles. This is yours now.
Why exactly do they owe the workers thousands of dollars? A crazy thing to say, when you are paid well, have at least three weeks of holiday, pre retirement leave, drug and dental benefits, pension and a potentially long career. Sure…they owe you. Good luck trying to fill that dance card when the whole thing crumbles under the weight of your greed.
No cola payments for 1.5 years. They’d like 3 grand
Why do you have such disdain for cupw members?
Because he is management and that’s how poorly they think about employees
Unfortunately, here in Toronto, supervisors like you are all over the place. You have ruined a once good company to work for. It’s the reason for this fight, and why this company struggles to hire and keep employees
Looking forward to seeing an overhaul and getting out soon!
Too many like Just Soupin. They think they’re indispensable. So sad
Its not 1985 anymore and that’s where our Union is stuck.And i dont want to see job loss either but Canada Post should have fired people long ago,Im retiring soon but I’ve seen so many fired and rehired through the years, I’ve lost count
If the facts bring fear, intimidate you and feel threatening, you should definitely vote REJECT. If facts don’t work on you, then live in your bizzarro world of the baby birds. I wouldn’t dare rely on CPC to act in my best interest after what I have seen working here for the last 30 years. I gotta think most people have voted already or know what they will vote so trying to sway the vote is redundant now anyhow. Going to be alot of back peddling when this contract gets rejected hard.
Kind of crazy to work for a for 30 years for a company you feel doesn’t have your best interests in mind. Why did you stay?
lol bogus post, you aren’t clearly not in the union
Have we made all the comments this platform can stand or is there more room for nonsense,spitefulness and totally disrespect. ?
Challenge Accepted!!!
Already voted to reject the final offer.
This message forgot to mention that this is not 1985, when people had no other options then sending their items with CP. CUPW just doesn’t have the cards. In today’s world our customers can go look to send their items with different companies. So let’s all accept this offer and give customers a reason to make business with us for at least the next 2 years, before another round of never ending negotiations and uncertainty start on 2028 :(:(
Where is the support Canada attitude? FedEx,UPS all American. With the orange man offending all canadians all the time Now is the opportunity to seize on that. Why wouldn’t the illuminati running cpc pounce on this instead of acting like deer in the headlights?
You know very well that we dont as humans don’t work like that. We all love Canada , but if American companies offer cheaper options, why wouldn’t you use it? It’s not like in Canada we are living the the Canadian dream where we can spend more and not feel it
So dont even try then? Just fold up like a cheap suit and give up while at the same time laying all blame on employees? I call bs on the others being cheaper. I have always used Canada post for parcels not just because i work there, but because they are in fact the cheaper ones for deliveries I needed whether east west or northern. But hey if thats the new cpc mantra then we truly are all doomed
If you think they are cheaper then you are not paying attention. Unless you are comparing it to lettermail size items, we get beaten by every carrier east to west. Now we don’t even compete for rural as most go there as well
I’m having trouble understanding why just sayin is working for Canada post in any capacity. It is clear that he or she really doesn’t like their job or anyone they work with
Your message forgot to add wrong for so many reasons
Yes to this comment!!!
please stop the propaganda…. we re not children
But then I’m getting not solicited CULTW propaganda almost everyday sent to my email telling me to vote no
Have you seen all the sweat stained smelling of fear multiple messages from cpc?
No
This post is makes me feel like my grade 8 math teacher is whipping ‘wake-up’ chalkboard erasers at me again.
Don’t worry Mr C, I’m paying attention.
our union is politically motivated not what the membership wants how is your promotion of the liberals working for you now…
Uh oh…another crying Conservative.
Is Canada better under the libs?? : D To be sincere with you I miss the Harper days! Canada is today is an unrecognizable country!
Harper we would of been privatized my friend.
Of course because the cons only cater to the rich and penalize everyone else. Our only line of defense on that note are unions. Yes theyre not perfect but without them weekends,8 hour days,time off,benefits, work life balance would not exist
And those who actually WORK would be better off.
CupW would have been rightfully put out to pasture.
We don’t know if that would happen or not. The facts are that CP today is a bankrupt company and even though our wages have gone up , things like finances, safety, everything , are unheard of for a country like Canada! Yes I love my job, but in the end there is something greater than my job, our community! What the point of having a secure job if you can’t pay for things, and if you are increasingly at risk of being robbed of your car or other items? And when you look around instead of seeing beautiful parks with flowers , you are seeing beautiful parks with full of tent cities?
Harper with a majority government DID NOT privatize CPC. Explain your statement.
YES WE WOULD
The union requested that you vote liberal, it’s liberals, forcing you back to work through a forced vote..Einstein
It was Harper’s full intention if he remained in power. He hated Unions. Can’t believe you didn’t know this.
Can’t believe you. He had 8 years to do it.
HE TRY TO BREAK UNION DO YOU NOT RECALL HIM LOCKING USE IN ONE AND ORDERING USE BACK TO WORK IN THE OTHER HAND I DO
And the Liberal government hasn’t done that?
This is true…Harper hated Unions. Do you remember save Canada Post days??? He was dismantling Canada Post by stopping door to door! He got away with alot of cities converted to cmb’s…lost lots due to him before we got in this financial mess.
That is absolutely true about the CMB’s but everyone still has a job.
What does the Kaplan Report say now under the Liberal Govt? Convert to CMB’s where possible.
The yes whiners want to rewrite history now on top of all their other rhetoric. Harper started and was well on his way to eliminate us. Thank God he was voted out however we still bare the scars he inflicted on us back then
That’s because Kaplan in CPC back pocket on their bonuses payroll
You didn’t answer the question.
The union had enough time to hold a vote to see if there’s appetite for this contract or to continue on with this strike, as I believe, only 20% of the people voted. 95% in favor of a strike. I wonder how the appetite for strike is now. The union could have saved itself some embarrassment of having us not voting on anything. The government proposed by having such a vote. I’m sure they’ll come up with a million excuses.Why this didn’t happen
It’s not the Liberal Government that got us in this financial mess, it’s Canada Post and the Union!! The Liberals see this ship is sinking fast and actually giving us an option to save it!! Change needs to happen.
AT THE TOP AND NO BONUS FOR LOSSING MONEY AND BAD SPENDING
i already voted n\ NO \. can i vote again.
Already voted, yes. Can I vote again.
THIS VOTE CAN NOT END SOON
Only a CupW slacker would vote no.
Since the majority of posties work hard and enjoy having a job YES will prevail and CupW leaders will have to return to the work floor for the first time in years.
Don’t count on it, CPC is desperate
Praying for yes as I am done with uncertainty. This has gone on long enough.
What happens to the temporary employees? Will they FINALLY be offered permanent full/part time positions that have been kept vacant and reserved for temporary, on-call relief employees? Or for full time employees to do as overtime? WHY do full time staff get overtime when there are temporary employees struggling to make a living on the hours they get? I have relatives that have been temporary employees for anywhere from 3 to 8 years and all of them want to go full time. WHEN will this happen? All I hear about is full and part time staff in these negotiations and the comments. I’d love to know how many employees in CP are “temporary” and how long they’ve been “temporary” staff for….the word “temporary” should mean less than 6 months and then be able to go permanent part time, then full time as the positions become available.
All us full and part timers put out time in as casuals for years, your not entitled, figure it out like the rest of us. We worked other pt jobs while on casual list to keep going . Took me 8 yrs to get permanent. Been loving my full time for 20 years. Seems like the generation below us expects everything.
CPC wants temporary and part time employees as a majority of their work force. The days of the 30 year plus full time employees is over
Unfortunately, you’re probably right. It’s a shame the union didn’t fight to prevent this. They’d rather favour paying full time staff overtime than take the current crop of temporary employees and make them full time – it’d be cheaper as they wouldn’t get double time for the same work, BUT…NO!!! The full time staff got get their overtime. WHY do people who already have full time work get overtime??? Especially when there are tons of temporary employees??? WHEN will the temporary employees be EQUAL employees??? And…if they’re not EQUAL employees, then maybe the union should stop stealing union dues from their miniscule paycheques.
It’s called seniority buddy.
Ha! Someone finally commented from a place of empathy. Poor casuals who never get a chance to earn decent hours, yet union still grabs the full dues out of their little uncertain earnings. CULTW!!!!
ALL the temporary employees have nothing to lose by voting to “accept” this offer, it’s not like they get a lot of work (in some cases none during slow months) and no benefits, so accepting this offer isn’t going to really hurt them.
I love how some people in here are so entitled that they want to keep their seniority privileges and do overtime while temporary employees have to work 2, 3 jobs and use food banks to survive. Sure looks like the full time employees see temporary staff as EQUAL staff.
Completely agree with your comment. Union says they are looking out for temps yet they negotiate a contract that doesn’t give them hours until every full time LC gets offered those hours first. Not to mention these Lc’s have already been paid for 8 hours that day while working 4-6 hours. Then the union expects the same dues as the full timers. Shameful !!!
We all had to go through it. Now it’s your turn so suck it up. . Only problem these days is if you voted yes., enjoy part time precarious work at cpc because that’s what yes will get you
You do realize that some temporary employees get no work at all? Especially during slow periods. Part time work would at least be a consistent income.
Then find another job to carry you through and stay casual until something opens up like the rest of us had to
NO.
How about the union stops charging temporary employees dues and doesn’t give anyone overtime til all the temporary employees get at least 40 hours of work? WHY should casuals have to work 2, 3, 4 jobs at minimum wage while waiting for a position at CP to open? The full time staff need to get off their entitled high horses and let other people have a chance!
WHERE??? Do you REALLY think my relatives haven’t been looking??? There’s NOTHING out there as all the jobs pay shit wages and seem to be reserved for temporary foreign workers.
Dear Temp…..we permanent workers had to do it for years. We built up our seniority through it all, so you my friend have to as well.
I worked other jobs and accepted every hour from CP for 8 years until I got a permanent position.
I was a casual for 7 years. After the first year was working 40 hrs a week. So for 6 years there was FT work available to me yet I had to wait. It is unacceptable. This rhetoric that we all had to suffer is nonsense. The bar charts should be modified to create new FT positions in situations such as these. Unfortunately, as long as there are bodies available to sit on the bench, the problem will never be solved. I have noticed in the last 6 or 7 years that alot of the new hirees just quit after a month or so. This puts a huge financial burden to retrain on CPC but one that they are willing to absorb apparently. The struggle continues until people stand together and say NO.
NO! Reject!
Let’s be clear? Lol. They begin their new forum with deception. They are many things but clear is not one of them, but thanks for mansplaining all the BS. I wish I could reject again.
Are you referring to the Union?
I gotta think most people have voted already. I am not sure why CPC wants to continue this charade about customer uncertainty. Of course customers are uncertain. They are leaving in droves. They are going paperless. CPC tells its employees to go paperless. This is what CPC wants. No one is this incompetent .
They are tanking on purpose.
Please explain why i should reject this?
As mentioned many times in these threads, if we were to take this offer it will set an awful precedent for labour relations in this country. Canada Post and the government are circumventing the Charter protected rights for a union to bargain with its employer. If a new CBA comes about through an “accept” vote, there is absolutely no use or need for unions anymore…a company can just say “here’s our final offer, take it or leave it, we’ll just get the government to force a vote”. Once unions are gone, do you think we’ll make anything more than minimum wage? Have anything but basic benefits? A pension? Job security?
Not to mention the ridiculous language in the contract regarding load leveling and dynamic routing. So many “inside” workers think letter carriers are afraid to work…that’s ridiculous! Just as many think Canada Post won’t come for them next. This contract, if accepted, leads to nothing but lost jobs and huge rollbacks. I can’t understand why anyone would want that.
No classification is better than the other but Im telling you the LCs(at least 70%) where i work are egotistical and think the PO should revolve around them.They also are mad they now have to work a full day…Heaven forbid! So that’s why us inside workers think that! Gone are the 4 hour days then OT to boot in a 8 hour shift! Oh and I forgot the doing of personal errands when youre supposed to be working…Try that somewhere else
Sounds like you have carrier envy. Why don’t you try it if it’s so easy? Especially today when it’s going to feel like 44 C with humidity outside. Enjoy yourself walking 18 km marinating in that for 8 hours as opposed to sitting for hours on end in a/c doing little or nothing. Hypocrite!
How about your umpteen smoke breaks, Timmies run breaks, hiding from soups breaks, 1.5 hr lunch breaks all while gossiping who is doing who and snitching on each other as to who snuck out 20 minutes early yesterday. Except for when your soup is off then you all agree to leave early together . Talk about living in glass houses
We have to swipe out and fyi! I dont smoke! Guess I hit a nerve!
No nerve hit. Just the truth as to how it really works inside
All the other unions are lining up in droves to help out cult w
Voting to reject this offer makes as much sense as changing your shirt after crapping your pants.
Hahaha OMG that made me laugh
What?!?!
What if your shirt was tucked in?
Vote no and wash your entire body from CPC’s lies
Well the company certainly crapped the bed…
After reading some of the awful comments on this forum, I really needed that laugh.
This voting method should be mandatory for all upcoming union strike votes.
Second!
I wish this company would put as much effort into the business and bargaining as they do with the constant barrage of reasons to accept this offer
Let’s be clear, if accepted, this will be just the start of the dismantling of external jobs. Inside workers will be next in 2028.
Bottom line…it’s a heap in your collective lap. You will smell it for a decade if you can hold out that long.
Offer ACCEPTED!
Next stop. CUPW DECERTIFICATION.
lol good luck with that
Absolutely, looking forward to being at work after the long weekend holding a new contract instead of a “locked out “ picket sign.
You’ll be at work, with binding arbitration on the horizon
Oh yes. Binding arbitration …… the one the Union rejected back in November and are now pushing for. But no ……. update ……. it’s back to negotiations again. This time with even way less leverage.
AND CANADA POST WANTS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT NOW THEY CAN AFORDS IT WHY BAD MANEGMENT
Yes to all this! Did not need clarification for me to see this will keep me paid and with a job down the road!
If down the road you mean 2028 till the next one? I’m sure that’ll be fun
No, after 2028 as well!
You can almost smell the sweat from corporate.
Love it!
Stand firm….REJECT!!
And stand firm on the picket line and then the unemployment line if no wins because if you read whats going to happen they specify uncertainty…Then we’ll see who’s sweating! Love it!
Why reject? Because CUPW is telling you to? How about do a little thinking for yourself and decide for yourself what you think is best and not let someone else choose for you. Time to get rid of the Union and stand up for us for once!!
It’s amazing how many people think the workers that will reject this ridiculous offer are doing it because CUPW is telling them to.
Really? I think CUPW is sweating, that’s why their pushing members so hard to vote No. I think it may backfire on them. Can’t wait to have this bs over and get back to work without the stress of wondering if we still have a job. YES!!!
Exactly!!
Cupw wants you to vote no because its a bad “offer” I use the word offer loosely. They believe they can get a much better deal for the workers.
Haven’t yet in 18 months…Is there a genie in a bottle going to grant 3 wishes to them!
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Yes, yes, yes.
Yes already did and am retiring I Vote NO one of old LCUC members that throw bread when Canada Post used helicopters.Seagulls we’re are friends.
What are you even talking about??