CUPW negotiations: Understanding the offer
June 18, 2025, 07:17 pm
385 comments
Employees represented by CUPW understandably want to learn about the final offer they will vote on for their bargaining unit.
Details about how and when to vote will be determined by the Canada Industrial Relations Board (CIRB). In the meantime, Canada Post is working to ensure employees have the information they need to make an informed choice when it comes time to vote.
New information added to the offers website
We’ve added information to the offers website at canadapost.ca/offers:
- Did you know that only a small portion of collection and delivery is affected? For the duration of the collective agreement, Dynamic Routing will be implemented at no more than 10 facilities (3% of delivery facilities) for initial testing and validation.
- Letter carriers will also deliver in the same area each day. Their delivery area will be familiar and consistent every day, and they will have the same schedule every day.
- Did you know that work will be reassigned using a national, standardized approach? It’s an approach based on the day’s volumes and the time values for each route.
- Letter carriers will continue to deliver on their route and have the same start times day-to-day.
- Work will only be reassigned before letter carriers leave the depot. Additional work cannot be reassigned if letter carriers complete their work early and return to the depot. Letter carriers who complete their work earlier than planned will still be paid for their scheduled hours.
Full contractual language of the offer:
- As part of our commitment to transparency with employees about what they’re voting on, we’ve published the full contractual language of the offer presented to CUPW for the Urban bargaining unit.
About the vote
The vote will be conducted by the CIRB, which has published the Minister’s directive to the CIRB to hold the vote. We will share information about when and how to vote as soon as it’s available.
Employees in the Urban bargaining unit will vote on the Corporation’s offer to Urban employees; and employees in the RSMC bargaining unit will vote on the offer to RSMC employees. If a majority of employees who vote accept the offer, it will become the collective agreement for that unit.
More information
- Visit canadapost.ca/offers to learn about the offers.
- Read the Dynamic Routing fact sheet.
- Read the load leveling fact sheet.
- Read the full contractual language of the offer for the Urban bargaining unit.
- Read the Minister’s directive to the CIRB.
Stay informed
We’re working to provide employees with the information they need to make an informed choice when they vote. Stay tuned for further updates. On the Negotiations Hub, sign up for email updates directly to your inbox.
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the union on their website trying to glorify all their gains but never mention how much we lost starting to sound like the corporation itself .we lost our severance pay,the full use of our sick time and legislated back three times with less of a raise then what we were offered ,cupw has become pretty much ipetent, well if u get rid of them it’s prettmuch a hundred dollar raise per month more than any offer
Anybody want some gum.
Group two with your straight all the time have created this mess. Volume has been going down since the 1980 and you just ran faster; early start, no breaks, using your personal vehicle as a relay box, never take your diner break, must finish before noon and eat at home. Got to finish before the 3:00 pm traffic rush hour and get home to cook supper.
Now many of you will continue your straight, under the new regime, you will just hide until the end of your shift! The new regime states; “The Corporation may: reallocate and assign any collection and delivery activities, at straight time, to Group 2 employees who have unused scheduled hours. ”, which means you will be fired for fraud!
And if you return to the station after your straight, management will just assign more work for you, on the next day. If you slow down, finally take your breaks, you will be admitting you were wrong with your past work ethics.
The frog in the water doesn’t realize the water is getting hotter, until it boils over and it’s to late… You know you burned your jobs with your straights, and now payment is due, reduced work force!
To all of you saying CUPW allows debates at their meetings NOT TRUE.If you question anything or not agree you get screamed at and then usually TOLD,not asked to leave
Who gives a crap Mr. Oblivious to what is actually happening here. None of that applies to this vote. Vote for the betterment of us first and foremost. Then chase after the union to your hearts content. They are not intertwined as some of the management shills posting here would have you believe
Gonna be a YES tidal wave. This is a vote against CUPW and it is fantastic.
Let’s hope so.
CUPW has refused to negotiate by giving their counter offer.
They have possibly killed any hope of getting a fair contract.
They have spent our money on trips and luxury accommodations across Canada and around the world without actually doing anything to help protect all of our jobs from CPC rollbacks.
On top of this, CUPW has prevent us from extra money from their overtime ban.
They have done exactly what CPC want which is to get rid of our overtime.
Hence, I will be voting to decertify them.
Never once did pathetic CUPW counter offer or actually NEGOTIATE!!!
As much as CUPW has screwed up these past negotiations, I think it will be close. The vote can go either way.
I wish CUPW had put in a final counter offer.
At the moment, the moment the only thing they got going for them is all the union dues they are collecting from us.
The definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.
This is the CUPW way. Always has, always will.
This vote is so much more than a contract vote. It is a vote against CUPW. To finally let them know we don’t support them and that they are useless incompet buffoons.
What have you done other than complain? Let me guess, absolutely nothing.
“The Corporation may: reallocate and assign any collection and delivery activities, at straight time, to Group 2 employees who have unused scheduled hours. ”
VOTE NO
Oh no, you might actually have to work 8 hours, not 4-5, for 8 hours pay. The horror!
Not true at all!
What do you mean not true at all? Have you been living under a rock?
I know LCs that can finish their route in 4 hours and take 2 sections of ot and still be finished within their 8 hours
So what? You’re just pissed because you could never do that.
Try cutting back on your 15 breaks per shift and hiding while pretending to work. I don’t complain about those that make 20 million a year because I can’t play baseball but I aldo don’t hold it against those who can
How it should be!!!!!
How do you negotiate a contract with a company that never had any intention of negotiating anything ever other than only their specific agenda? Its no secret cpc is on a union busting rip up collective agreement mission. As evidenced by purposely manufactured strategic financial mismanagement and fabricated crises along with the holding onto and rerouting of product through their other delivery service all to publicly paint a much more desperate picture than exists in actual reality. To the anti union blame everyhing on cupw camp, I do care how all vote and that all actually do vote but im not suggesting how to vote. What I’m suggesting is for everybody to put your preconceived notions aside and actually dive deep on what this particular board of directors is attempting to do to us and the company. Those that have been here long enough know how everything gets worse during contract time and miraculously improves followed by work magically reappearing in spades shortly afterwards. This time around I believe cpc has bit off more than they can chew. This process has obviously not gone as far and as quickly as cpc expected. The longer all of this stays in the spotlight the more likely their alternative motives risk being exposed. We’ve all been anxiously waiting and watching these last 19 months as this never ending saga plays out. If a strategic by all of us vote manages to delay and proceed keeping us in the spotlight a while longer to expose more of cpc alterior motives I support that
Again, not true. This is summer mail, drastically slows down. As for parcels, definitely a decline due to the uncertainty of this mess. Explain to me how the corporation could possibly hold back mail? The upswing in mail and parcels when this is over happens as we are trusted again.
You ever been through a volume count.? Always light days when count happening but very heavy before and after. They’re storing it somewhere. Also check some of the dates on the backs of sequence and see how old some are
Had a union “meeting” in a downtown Toronto building today with 6 full stations. Some 150 members came, not one of them, carriers and LCAs, were going to vote “yes” to this union busting atrocity of an “offer”. It amazes me that all the “Anonymous” inside workers are so excited to vote “yes” to somehow stick it to the carriers when we outnumber them by 10 to 1. How do you think that’ll go for all of you when CPC comes for YOUR jobs the next time around?? Inside workers are shooting themselves in the foot with this jealousy of carriers working a half day (and don’t get me started on how they all STAY at work for a full day but definitely don’t WORK a full day!). CPC want us divided so it’ll be easier to stick it to you guys next time. You’ll lose this vote and nobody will protect you on the next.
The only sane vote to save our rights is NO!
Carriers don’t outnumber inside workers 10-1 Lol. It’s more like 55%- 45%. However, I’m guessing a majority of all members are good workers, not CUPW groupies. We will vote ‘yes’.
What?!?! I work in a station with 38 routes. That’s 38 carriers plus terms and part-timers. Let’s say that’s around 45 carriers. There are 3 LCAs. That’s just the station I work at. No if you’re talking about in the plants, you have maybe 200 working at the busiest plants that service dozens of stations. It may not be 10-1 but it’s nowhere close to 55% to 45% either. Bottom line is you’ll be completely outnumbered in this vote AND the vote when they come after you. Be smart!
Are you slow. You can literally pull up Group 1 & 2 numbers online. 55% to 45% is correct.
Do not believe us. Go pull up the numbers yourself instead of guessing…. You must be a uNiOn rEp
Some plants have 700+ workers as the facilities run 24-7 like PPC.
You obviously don’t have a clue how many people work in plants across Canada. It’s a lot more than 200 per plant. Every depot also has PO4s, not just LCAs. Many have retail as well. Don’t forget MSCs and even mechanics. There are a lot of sections of Canada Post you don’t know about. But like I said carriers are the majority, about 55%. Many carriers will also vote ‘yes’, at least the smart ones will. Keep drinking the kool-aid though and let’s wait for the results of rhe vote.
So one of the biggest sorting facilities, the one recently opened in Scarborough, employs 900 people and sorts to over 300 stations. In those 300 stations let’s say there are only 10 carriers (there are a lot more, but let’s say 10). That’s 3000 carriers to 900 insider workers. That’s just one facility. Your 55% to 45% is not even close. But keep hope alive!
I respect our inside workers as equals. Vote yes.
Inside worker, I wouldn’t ever think of voting yes. Anyone that does… Well, I can’t say that they have looked at the offer at all because there’s nothing good in it.
Yeah because the only people who go to these are union groupies, of course they are all voting no 🙄
As for myself and my LC coworkers, we are voting yes and never go to any of these union propaganda “meetings”. Not now or ever. We are only union members because we have no choice
It is very humorous how out of touch you are. This was EVERY worker in that building. I just wish we could see your faces when 90% vote No.
Just like the 95% yes vote for the strike but only 25% of total members voted lol
Well then you’d better vote.
Vote no and it goes to binding arbitration which will be a worse offer guaranteed.
Been here long enough to see that…. especially this time around. Your choice how you vote, but a no will be worse for everyone.
CUPW wants it so they can blame the bad gooberment again.
Vote “yes” and in three years you’ll be out of a job anyway. The fight is now!!
Yes will keep us working! Stop with your fear mongering please and thank you.
It’s all speculation until the vote is tallied.
CULTW seems rattled.
Sounds gross. Was there a lot of yelling and foot stomping? I feel sorry for the good workers who got stuck listening to the propoganda. Luckily, we’re all getting a chance to vote in private, without CUPW interference.
No one should give in to the cupw bullies. Use your own brain, vote the way you want to vote and not because someone is bullying you or using scare tactics.
Of course every single person said they’d vote no at a UNION MEETING…the truth comes out when they get to cast their votes privately without anyone ever knowing their secret.
Let’s not discuss 2025 negotiations anymore, let’s now focus on 2028. That tactic I believe is called ” smoke and mirrors”.
Vote yes for 2025 and maybe for 2028
I think it’s also known as ‘grasping at straws’. Or maybe the ‘chicken little, sky is falling in 2028’ strategy. Very creative nonsense CUPW.
Wait a minute you don’t want to discuss very near future implications that are directly tied into our current fight? I suppose your game of chess is only 1 step at a time. Clearly, our employer is thinking about their next moves. I suppose you conduct your entire life 1 step at a time. Maybe just grab a gig economy phone app and go cross your fingers for your next work opportunity. Good plan.
To all the anonymous, before you put your X on your ballot, look a PO4, a temporary or part-time worker in the eyes and tell them you don’t care what happens to them!
Then when you realize that the dynamic delivery is not what the boss claim’s it is, don’t go crying to the union, it’s your choice, so live with it.
Do you think CPC will keep all the employees they have now…sweet dream anonymous your nightmare scenario is coming!!!
Here are your new words of the day; bursitis, tendinitis, plantar fasciitis, hip arthroplasty, osteoarthritis, inflammatory arthritis, osteonecrosis, post-traumatic arthritis, arthroplasty.
Don’t worry, anonymous, one day those big word will roll out of your mouth easily.
Sweet dream anonymous, your nightmare is coming!
Didn’t CUPW and members do that in 2013…… Hello two-tier wages. NOT equal pay for equal work.
Wow enjoy dystopia.
I can’t imagine any Canada Post future is going to look good in your eyes
One without cupw and majority agree.
We just want to work and want jobs.
The yes voters are silent because of the cupw nuts that will attack.
You’ll see when the vote comes.
Hey Denis Pierre Gagne, here’s your words of the day; CMB Conversion, three day a week delivery. Those words should remedy all of your problems.
And your pay, your advantage, your pension…. What you’re describing is part time work! 20 hours week and must be available for 30 hours… Sounds familiar
Three days won’t happen. You can stop your worrying 😉.
I want a new union to represent me.
CUPW has screwed us over for the last time.
So many comments from management shills haha. I was wondering what that supervisor was doing in the computer training room every day lol. No matter, it will be a giant NO vote anyway.
PO4 here and will be voting yes. Just worry about your own vote and let others vote as they see fit as it is their right to do so.
I am a PO4 with about 3 months to retire. I am still voting NO. Horrible offer from a horrible employer.
Give back your pension to that horrible company that gave you the opportunity to be able to have a pension.
Will you still take your ‘horrible’ pension though?
It’s strange. I’ve worked for Canada Post for over 30 years and my time here has mostly been good. I guess negative people just have negative ideas. Maybe you’ll be angry and sad in retirement as well:(
😀✋
Make sure you use up all of your pre-retirement leave as it doesn’t cash out when you go, and if you burned all seven weeks of vacation time, or the 13 days of personal time, you will have to pay some back. Such an awful employer. Enjoy your pension.
Then be ready for binding arbitration. Always worse. Been there, done that. This offer is better by far.
Cupw clearly doesn’t understand how negotiations work first of all it does no good to talk about 2028 negotiations when we’re still talking about 2024 let’s focus on today not 3 or 4 years down the road. And what do you think was gonna happen in 2028 do you think Canada Post is gonna go well we had rollbacks for 2024, but since we’ve taken them off the table, we’re good we won’t ever bring it up again. I don’t see Canada Post saying guess what the union is gonna bring to the table in 2028 they’re gonna want bereavement leave for pets they’re gonna want wellness checks cleaners into our union cupw is gonna want the same old thing they’ve been asking for year after year after year, it’s nothing new that’s how negotiations work give a little take a little take a little give a little something cupw knows nothing about
CPC has posted the Kaplan report and their offer to CUPW for all to read, where’s the CUPW offer presented to CPC so that the members can read?
The real question is; why management refusing CUPW offer of binding arbitration?
Binding; (of an agreement, contract, etc.) not allowed to be revoked or broken.
Arbitration; legal – the formal process of settling a disagreement by referring the matter to an arbitrator — Why is management refusing?
This info post was made to divided, management is negotiating with anonymous clueless people and they are laughing.
I can see big bonuses for management bargaining team….
The union refused arbitration prior to us, going out on strike.. Maybe the better question is, why didn’t the union accept it?Then, and why does the union want it now
The same reason CUPW gave in October.
What I want to kmow is, why didn’t CUPW accept arbitration back in October. We had a six week strike for nothing. The only thing CUPW accomplished was helping every full-time worker lose more than $5000.
Nice deflection.
Again, slowly this time: Where is the CUPW offer for all to read ? Where is the CUPW offer presented to CPC so that members can read ?
I guarantee we’ll never see CUPWs latest demands or counter-offer. If they did publish it, every member would see how ridiculous and unreasonable they are. If we can only guess, then it’s easier for CUPW to blame their failures on Canada Post or ‘the government ‘.
Canada Post management wants us all to fight with each other.
Why aren’t there any comments allowed on CPAA posts??
It’s because Canada Post wants to divide and conquer the union.
Stop fighting with your fellowship members….
Telling the truth about CUPW and its support for lazy workers is just fact.
Why doesn’t CUPW allow any debate anytime anywhere??
They do, at the general membership meetings. Just that most people too lazy to go and just like to whine online.
You get shouted down at meetings unless your in the cult.
Yes they allow debates; it’s called monthly meetings!!
The union protects lazy people. It’s up to management to police the lazy people.
The lazy people are the one you never go to a meeting!!
CUPWs website is non-stop propoganda. They’re no different than Pravda back in the Soviet Union days. They also have facebook and reddir channels spouting their nonsense. The CUPW groupies will bully anyone who critiques them online. They can’t control our votes on this offer though. I’ll be voting ‘yes’.
I will be also voting Yes. I hope my fans do as well
So, CUPW wants to bring up the 2028 negotiations hoping everyone will vote no on the current negotiations. For all of the incompetent members who will blindly follow CUPW no matter what, there won’t be a 2028 negotiations if you vote no.
And in 2028, there will be another force vote, for more lost…. Sorry
CUPW has clearly lost the plot with their last post. Fear mongering about the next contract is pathetic. Trying to scare PO4’s about wage reductions, really come on now do you not hear yourselves? What Canada Post is offering this negotiation is actually pretty good. I don’t have any clue what exactly we’re fighting for. Sure a bigger raise would be nice, but this one’s not out of touch. As far as SSD it’s already implemented there’s no changing it and how about we fight the next contract in 2028 not now.
That’s true. CUPW spends all their time fighting things they can’t stop lole SSD, part-timers on weekends, even dynamic routing. If they accepted required changes they could have fought to implement change as smoothly as possible. They also could have got a better wage increase and benefits for everyone. Sorry CUPW, we’re not going back to the 1970s.
This comment is worth quoting here:
What I’ve learned in my yrs on the job is that CUPW is just as much a business and CP. union dues are their lifeblood. They know damn well this company will need drastic changes and that could mean job losses over time, likely through attrition. No ones being put in the unemployment line. But this union can’t fathom having 45k members paying dues instead of 55k. That’s a big hit to their bottom line. Hence the constant recruiting of other sectors to join CUPW (foodora, cleaning staff, cus, etc).
They’re also pressured by other unions not to set precedent by losing important language and benefits in a contract. By doing so, the other unions risk losing in their negotiations. It doesn’t matter how poor the company gets, the union is never at any fault. We’re all just pawns in this nonsense.
All I know in all my yrs here, I’ve never had any issues with mgmt. I do my job, and they leave me alone. I’m up to 5 weeks holidays and every 2 weeks, the cheque clears. I see the volumes today and they simply don’t compare to even 5 yrs ago.
You’re right on all points. Overall, Canada Post has always been a good place to work. If you put in an honest effort on the job, management always treats you fairly. There havenalways been a few terrible workers, and CUPW always protects them. CUPW has always been there own worst enemy because their demands have always been so unreasonable. Most good workers avoid CUPW as much as possible. Now with this vote, we have a chance to bypass the union completely and they’re going nuts. They’ll do anything, including focusing now on 2028, to swing the vote their way. Let’s hope the majority don’t fall for CUPWs nonsense.
Well said, change has to happen to move forward.
You’re probably in group two and with your straight all the time have created this mess. Volume has been going down since the 1980 and you just ran faster; early start, no breaks, using your personal vehicle as a relay box, never take your diner break, must finish before noon and eat at home. Got to finish before the 3:00 pm traffic rush hour and get home to cook supper.
The advantage you have today were won by past actions.
CUPW won maternity leave back in 84. Now everyone in Canada enjoys Parental Leave!
That’s a great statement right on
Well said…
So a new cupw doom and gloom post on their website. Cpc is coming after everything….in 2028! How about we deal with 2025 first and not get too far ahead of ourselves, ok? And NEWSFLASH: everything in cupw new post is the same things cpc has been going after for the past 30 years. Cpc will still come after everything in 2028 regardless of the outcome of the vote. Voting no today wont tactically change ANYTHING in 2028.
What is really funny is that CPC is trying to pretend that they “negotiated” a deal with CPAA. Read their post. That was a settlement that had to be arbitrated but they won’t admit it outright.
Wrong! Get your facts right. Negotiations was done just before going to arbitration.
The Arbitrator’s final award reflects the settlement that both sides negotiated and is now the basis of their new collective agreement.
More responsibility = higher wages. Under NO circumstance do PO4’s deserve to earn the same wage as PO5’s, MSC’s or delivery agents. There is no argument here, NONE. Simply saying because you have to spend 8 hours physically in the building justifies this you are wrong. Compare your job with other similar job and what is required of you. It doesn’t exist. Not only are you underworked you are also overpaid. Thank goodness change is finally coming.
At the same time where can one work 3-4 hours get paid 8 hours and collect OT all within that window. Thank goodness change is finally coming on this front too.
The PO4s will largely vote yes.
Is this the divide part of your plan?
Not if you work hard non-stop straight time without leaving early like letter carriers.
PO4 don’t get to go home early. They have to clock in and out at start, break and end of their shift. Plus many of them work early and graveyard.
It’s tough.
That’s why I would rather do deliveries. At least you get the opportunity to finish early.
Stop knocking your fellow posties.
“Jealousy is a terrible disease. Get well soon.”
PO4 are posties too.
They don’t have the opportunity to work 4 hours and get paid 8 hours. They have to be at work for the whole 8 hours.
Try working graveyard and have soups watch your every move.
Inside full time staff was cut in half in all of the plants of the city for the past year, declared excedenary and were put under article 53. FT PO4s left have double workload now and many of them even with 8 years seniority level could only bid for relief positions. So, it’s not obvious..
Have you ever worked inside and off loaded a trailer in either extreme heat or cold? Try lifting a lawn mower by yourself!Do we get paid extra for that? Do we get to go home after 4 hours and get paid 8?
Don’t worry. Most of us know there are many hard working PO4s. They are also lazy letter carriers and LCAs who always require assistance take many personal days etc. CUPW is good at protecting terrible workers. They do next to nothing, for good workers.
This postie is voting YES!
PO4’s make $25 an hour and actually have to do physical labour for their paycheque. If you want to make more money you take on more responsibility IE letter carrier or MSC. Yea put your body on the line or your license and deal with the public. Could not be happier to see that the corporation finally wants to reduce wages for the highest paid lazy warehouse workers in the country. You people were ALL YES until you saw the report! Now you’re all NO, shocker!!!! Not!
This is why it was better when LCUC existed. LCs had their union and inside workers had theirs.
The reason they disappeared is because their negotiations tactics was asking the same thing CUPW won by strikes. They always negotiated AFTER CUPW fights.
In 1987, they folded in the middle of the fight. Even if they had more members than CUPW, they lost the vote!
That’s why they don’t exist anymore!!
How does Canada Post work if we don’t have PO4s?
Stop fighting with your own union fellowship members….you are giving Canada Post management exactly what they want….
And that’s to conquer and divide.
We vote to be part of CPAA.
I am warming up to the idea of having our depots as safe injection sites (Delivering Community Power)
Maybe I could get those peeps to collate my flyers.
Why is the union talking about 2028 we are not voting on 2028 we voting on what’s being offered now obviously can’t really find much negative things to say about current offer and if union really wants members 100% support pay us at least what we would be losing if strike or lock out
Because they’re desperate. The 2028 stuff they’re referring to is on pg 49 of Kaplans report.
So why is cupw just speaking on it now.
Just more scare tactics and gloom-and-doom from CUPW. They’re so desperate now and will do anything to win this vote.
CUPW has finally realized that members are not following them blindly and can make an informed decision on their own. So, let’s try to distract the membership about 2028 and put their spin on what might happen. Fear mongering at its finest.
They are out to the lunch. Trying to scare you into drinking the the Jonestown kool aid. I think at National they are eating the Janitors urinal mints.
These are scare tactics that a desperate CUPW are using to attempt to put fear into the members. Why ? Because they are scared that their reign of error is about to end. When we vote yes to the offer the next step will be to vote no to CUPW as our union representatives. CPC seems to work just fine with the Teamsters union over there at Purolator. Let’s take control back people. How many years of failure do we need to experience from CUPW before we realize they are terrible at what they do? 60 years should be long enough.
It’s a terrible offer but we just borrowed $1B to stay afloat. Major changes is going to happen. That unfortunately is just going to be a reality
Terrible? That’s pretty dramatic, don’t you think. Yes the offer has compromises, and implements required changes. But it also contains a lot of good things including decent improvements for wages and benefits. CUPW could have negotiated an agreement if they had neen able to compromise, but they are not. So here we are with a chance to vote. I’ll vote ‘yes’.
It IS garbage
https://www.cupw.ca/en/cpc-reveals-its-plans-2028-negotiations-rollbacks-and-more-rollbacks
Here it is folks; Canada Post’s plan for the future of the company does not include you! Voting “yes” to this offer only gives them the fuel to gut all of us in the next. Those who think CUPW is worthless may be right, but your employer cares nothing about you, your family, and your future. This is a public statement, hiding nothing about how your job will be at risk in a couple of years. If you don’t think so, vote yes. If you have the ability to see what is true, vote NO!
It’s ironic that some of that haven’t think about CPC. Now, CUPW gave them an ideas. Efyouceekay CUPW
The real question is why is cupw posting this now. It is on page 49 of Kaplans report.
Cupw is desperate. They could have released this quite some time ago.
Don’t be fooled.
That’s almost 3 years away, by then your O F page might be making enough to retire on
The way of the future if there’s going to be one includes community mail boxes and 3 day delivery of mail ….there’s no guarantees in life except for death of Canada post as you know it..
So what you are saying is that we should trust CUPW with our future?
lol, CUPW bs, how about dealing with today😂
under CUPW’s plan the end will be sooner!
True and false. Out to lunch it seems. When someone has you worry about something else it’s cause they have no argument.
WHY ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT 2028?? WE ARE IN 2025:):)
voting yes…CUPW talks about protecting workers rights but on the other hand they are coaching members on how to vote. I have the mental capacity to make my own decisions and I don’t walk in lockstep with the union
Canada Post doesn’t care about its employees. I can’t believe these executives and CEO still have their jobs.
Fight back with a NO VOTE!!!
CUPW doesn’t really have any good arguments against this contract. But just wait, in 2028 it’s going to be really, really bad. Okay thanks again for nothing CUPW. Maybe you should have negotiated an agreement. Meantime, I’m voting ‘yes’.
Either gut us all now with a no vote, or get through till 2028and see what happens! The choice is ours.
Oh no, the sky is falling (or will fall in 2028). CUPWs desperation is pathetic. They’ll do anything in their negativity to swing this vote their way. All they care about is how many people are paying dues, and when they can raise dues next. Every worker with common sense knows Canada Post needs to change to remain healthy. If the company can become more efficient and regain business, it benefits us all. But all CUPW can do is spread fearmand disinformation. Maybe next time try something new: like learning how to compromise and negotiating an agreement.
Another management pot stirring antagonize. So obvious posting that CPC manifesto garbage
If you want loyalty, and hard workers…..pay them accordingly and respect them. Give them wage increases that are equivalent percentage increases (on a scale) as all employees, management and executive wage increases are. Most LCs wouldn’t mind working more if they got paid a decent wage. For a crown corporation that is a public service, all staff and public should benefit from the company, not just a select few who have decided that they will run the company into the ground all the while lining their pockets with unjustifiable bonuses. When management is claiming hundreds of millions in losses but still earning 6 figure extra bonus incentives cutting your lowest paid workforce down is not a sustainable answer. Maybe the executive team needs to be overhauled and replaced with a team who knows and understands how to run a public service not Coca-Cola. The executive board clearly does not have the best interests of Canadians in mind, only their own bank accounts.
How do you know executives get a six-figure bonus? Where do you find this information?
Good question. Just because they believe it, doesn’t make it reality.
Maybe letter carriers should work a full 8 hours.
Maybe CPC management should take a hit by taking a pay cut and see how they can survival on $30 per hour forty hours a week.
Sounds like you need to come over to our Letter Carrier side for a few years😆😆. Put your transfer in and go see how fun it is!!
Will CUPW ever successfully negotiate a contract in this century?
Next century??
Bye bye CUPW!
Please be fair. Two negotiated contracts per century. CUPW is the worst union in Canada but there is always room to improve.
When they are the bottom of the barrel the only way to look is up. Lol
Cupw has been negotiating with an empty chair. You can’t negotiate by yourself.
Even the empty found CUPW unreasonable and rejected their proposals.
when you see a bright coloured animal in nature it usually signals poisonous stay away!!! Reminds me of cupw members, when they come around during union elections wanting my vote.
Ya. They are coming out of the woodwork with their $12 Orange juice. Vote yes for freedom. Vote no if you like racism. That simple
I just scrolled through several pages of comments here and I’m still left wondering what is the purpose of this comment section? Canada Post, the internet doesn’t need your help with useless comment sections. Very disappointed in the way you contribute to employ in-fighting. It’s very telling. Unfortunately there are plenty of examples of people here playing into your ploy I suppose this is why you do it. Clearly you’re contemptuous towards your staff. But no surprise as respect has never been on display from our corporate overlords.
Whaa whaa🥲 , when will CUPW offer a legitimate comment section?
Probably about the same time they successfully negotiate a contract- never 😂😂
There is enough useless social media on the internet. We don’t need our employer to provide one. You know, the world existed before the internet and it’s comment sections for a very long time. Clearly, we can operate in an environment without useless comment sections such as this one. Our employer is simply being contemptuous. But maybe kids these days don’t understand as you all doom scroll through your lives.
You could easily rewrite your couple of paragraphs at insert cup w and take out Canada post. This is the worst union by far. I belong 3 others.This one sucks hard
Canada Post is not actually your ‘overlord’. In fact, if you’ve been treated so terribly, you can quit any time. I’ve worked here many years and it’s beem mostly a great place to work. The worst thing have definitely been the strikes and lock-outs but they’ve mainly been CUPWs fault.
Quit at any time? Why should I? I’ve dedicated 30+ years as the company slipped into mismanagement. The disrespect has increased over the years incrementally. There is absolutely no need to provide this toxic comment section. Period.
Corporation’s purpose does this because they don’t want to listen and act on our feedback as employees in person let alone the union. They are probably analysing the conflict and using that data to find some means to engage us for the future roadblocks once implemented .The team leaders are fed the narrative to try on us and it usually fails. If anything I would say the Corporation is more scared of total anarchy on the floor without union involvement that they have no control over. The union is predictable because of branding and workplace rules that they are bound by legally.
List of what cupw lost members. Let’s get a list going. Add on to it:
-Severance pay
-15 sick days
-LCUC
-Accepted & voted on two tier wages selling out future members.
-Refuses to implement dues based on hours worked. Why does pt & casuals pay as much as ft.
BUT LET CP PAY 8h WHIKE MANY ONLY WORK 4h..:):)
How else would I get a free trip to Cuba each year? Do you have a better idea?
Corporation pays for it. Cupw negotiated this years ago. They get $200,000 per year from corp.
Don’t believe me read it yourself.
Most of these trips are financed by the union’s International Postal Fund; a war chest topped up each year with a $200,000 payment from Canada Post – and first secured as part of a 2000 collective agreement.
Either way, disgusting and corrupt. Just like most things about CUPW.
Disgusting for sure. CUPW could use that free money from Corp for members instead but selfishly use it for themselves and still cry poor.
Don’t forget they negotiated less flyer money for us.
No more flyer pay and less time to deliver
Sick time payout
Double bundle system
SSD
All you cupw cult members and fan boys, name 3 things, hell, even 1 thing they’ve done good or won us in day 10 years, how about 20?
Im aware of maternity leave before most of us worked here but how about 20 years.
I look forward to your replies and educating me on your glorious cupw.
The Union is crap when you keep bragging about something from 40 years ago. Just Chumps.
See, they feel the need to clarify with these updates because they view us workers of incompetent to “understand” their offer. I’m So tired of being treated like a child at this place, when everything they implement is reversed or left half finished, and we have to clean up the mess.
This update signals they know that changes at the top will be coming when we flat out reject this stupidity
The whole premise of the union argument is that you are not able to figure this out on your own. The corp is just explaining how the changes will affect workers. Your union thinks that you are children that need coddling.
If members could figure things out on their own they don’t need the union. The union wants you to remain dumb and in the dark as it preserves their existence.
That’s because most cupw members don’t understand and are, let’s say, slow. A good 80%
Well if 50% +1 members vote ‘yes’, then we’ll know that the majority are realistic and have common sense. Hopefully the vote will be soon and this message board can be deleted Lol.
It’s also 50% plus 1 of those who actually vote. Not a majority of members. Just like the strike vote that was propped up by the axe grinders and fan boys, it would not surprise me if most of the members aren’t to lazy to vote on this either. Complacency is the end of all that was built here. You can bet the No vote will not miss this chance, the Yes votes better cast a ballot or you might as well quit now.
Many CUPW members are dim bulbs, but is it the majority? The results of the vote will tell us.
When is CUPW going to disclose their full offer to CPC to the members?
They will not. Cupw offers zero transparency and operates as a dictatorship/cult but tells you the members want this and it is a democracy. It is not.
But thankfully, all members now get a chance to vote on this offer. That is democratic.
CPAA got a raise of 11% today. agreement from 2024 to 2026. 3 years.
Which means restarting negotiations anew next year. This is just so cpc can focus all efforts on destroying cupw represented employees now
Magically back pay money will appear from the same magic bag of signing bonus bribe money
Lol and in 2026, surprises, surprise, job cuts
Jobs are based on volumes
Can you please clarify if flyer pay and 3 day delivery exists for load leveling routes????
Read the contract
Janitors and cleaners are outsourced to another company period. People of questionable profession have their own union. That leaves outside and inside workers paid by Canada Post. Cupw had you focused on that you probably be a lot further ahead. But there are scooter and bike delivery people like to pay dues and finance your trips.
We should count our blessings, The powers the be where probably hoping this all happened when the pension plan was under funded. Remember when the government lowered interest rates so they could borrow cheaply at the expense of pension plans and the housing market.
Just Remember the pension is a Promise not an Obligation. Also remember the people in power are always looking where the vulnerable people have money and adopting sophisticated ways to steal it. Guess where they are looking now the principle residence!!!!
It will be underfunded soon after this contract gets signed. With so many ready to retire, we will soon have more retirees than those paying into it
Government tells you the vaccine is safe and effective. CUPW members eat it up. The gooberment would never lie. Members turn on other members and continue to believe the government on this one topic to this day.
Government in relation to Canada Post and negotiations. CUPW members say they are liars and cannot be trusted, scoundrels!
Make it make sense. You sheep can’t have it both ways. KARMA!!!!
Good point.
How can members trust and believe the gov’t unequivocally when it comes to the vaccine but call them outright liars, thieves, and crooks when it comes to Canada Post & CUPW.
It cannot be both. You trust them or you do not. If you do not trust them on one topic common sense would say you cannot trust them on any.
So which is it CUPW members?
The gov’t lied about vaccine safety or they didn’t. If they didn’t then they are not up to no good now and everything they’re doing is legitimate IE Hajdu etc.
Don’t forget the National Union President promoted members to get vaccinated .The union had no right either. But their safe space mentality endangered us all .Not that I would listen to them on a decision like the vax.
Absolutely. Cupw worked in tandem with Canada Post on this to stifle our rights.
She lost all credibility when we almost had a few
In November but threw us under the bus for Janitors.
The government lied and misled you all on the vaccine and are doing the same here with negotiations. They cannot be trusted. Period. But you all messed up, then and now.
Get help.
You must see the hypocrisy though.
How can the government be villainous in one aspect yet benevolent in another.
I suspect you’re a juiced up sheep.
Luckily, anti-vaxxers like you are a tiny minority of society. The government, Canada Post and most companies and organizations across Canada did their best during Covid. We followed advice given by top scientists and doctors around the world. If you didn’t get a vaccine, that’s due to your own lack of intelligence. I just hope your kids never get measles or polio. Let me guess, you also supported the truckers convoy?
Pretty sure the Rsmc people will vote yes on the offer.If urban votes no, at least cupw will have more time and resources to spend on inside workers and letter carriers to get a deal done for us.Oh wait a minute, they will still be holding us hostage to fight for the janitors and highway service drivers and bicycle couriers and food delivery drivers and everyone else they haven’t told us about yet.I am sick and tired of cupw social justice warriors worried about everyone else except the people that actually pay their wages.
Justice for Janitors!
Oh no I temporarily forgot about the poor janitors. Stop the vote, we have to include them. Think of the extra dues for CUPW!
I heard the big issue at the table is that CUPW wants safe injection sites at the depots in the lunch rooms.
I’m actually not sure if this is a joke.
Sadly it is true.
They also want access to puberty blockers and hormones for members children and camps for them to transition.
CUPW major sticking point is they want to bring back the Pony express which Canada post agreed too. Now the sticking point for CUPW is they demand only donkeys are used and not horses related to northern dancer.
Lol! The Pony Express! Good one!
Those social and political side-issues are one of the main problems with our CUPW. Good unions like the Teamsters strictly fight for wages and benefits for their members. You know, the ones actually paying dues?
Agreed!!
Canada Post is authorized by Parliament to borrow 2 billion. For any more borrowing capacity there must be a vote in parliament. The economy is deteriorating rapidly. The odds are not good if there is a No Vote.
Voting no is the only way to have your say, and fight government intervention and interference. Take a look around the world, everything is coming unraveled. The little “guys” have been losing for too long. Stand up and vote no.
Voting, no, is not going to fix this mess… It’ll actually make it worse. Dwindling. Letter mail volumes is a big problem. I’m getting back to being number one at parcel. Delivery is also a problem holding. The public hostage is problem number three, and they provide us the work that we do without the public. We are screwed, so it’s a yes vote. And let’s get on with our lives
BRAVO!!! The best shot of fighting for the little guy/girl, is by saying NO. Canadian workers, with or without a union are counting on 55 thousand postal workers. Don’t oet yourselves or them down. Unions are the only chance workers have to keep afloat.
Well maybe they should speak up a d go protest at a Federal MPs office. If they are not going to help then stay out if my way .
See ya in the bread line. I hope they have Sourdough.
I have seen this before all u no people saying that they are no accepting yah right when it come time to a vote it will be yes ….everyone is afraid to say yes to fit in … Also you can always quit just don’t your previous job experiences hahha
I’m voting YES!!! I don’t care how many scare tactics cupw uses. 1) if you really think arbitration will make things better, you’re mistaken, history proves that. 2) if you really think that cpc won’t implement the changes they want, you’re mistaken. 3) cpc is losing popularity with the public and we will all (you too, cupw) be out of a job, and your business (cupw) will fail, no dues for Cuba. I’m voting YES!!!
Voting yes CUPW is the worst Union. Time they vote them up and get Teamsters to represent us.
You do realize this illegally forced upon us is for the final garbage offer and not a vote to keep or cut loose cupw. You need to differentiate between those two
Don’t repeat discredited CUPW talking points. This vote is perfectly legal and it’s happening, no matter how much CUPW whines and cries. Every member has a right to vote, or not vote. It’s our choice for once.
Good luck to you
What is illegal about a democratic process? All of a sudden you are in favour of having something binding put in place? Who said that’s going to be better?
I’m done. No use. You don’t,can’t or likely won’t understand. Do whatever you want
Did you read the 507 page offer? It seems pretty good to me!
It’s no. Yes is major job losses
And you dont think NO will be? Give your head a shake.Arbitration never works out well.There will be more job losses with Arbitration but you keep listening to your Gurus and have another sip
Job cuts are the reality regardless of the vote. Read the room. This isn’t 1980. The majority of the country couldn’t care less if Canada Post disappears.
I agree 100% Vote No!!!
Voting yes 100%.
CUPW has already done enough damage to our jobs.
At least with this contract, we can finally weed out the lazy dogf*** ers.
Keep telling yourself that for about the next year or so if even that long before they come after and cut you. Thats the best part is you are too short sighted and small minded to see the bigger picture to see you are signing your own death warrant after they gut the cba. We are effed either way so let’s at least fight
Honestly. I work for Canada post not Cupw. I’ll work my full day doing whatever an a letter carrier of nearly 20 years. overtime is not mandatory so I can still plan life. I’ll keep my benefits, personal days, pension and holidays. Feeling thankful not entitled Thank you Canada post for keeping me employed so I can look after my family I’m ticking the YES box
A “no” vote, is a lockout or a worse deal through arbitration! A “yes” vote is $1000 and keep working! Simple as that
Arbitration would try to meet in the middle. Zero percent chance we do worse in arb.
CULTW needs to go.
It’s a YES for me and anyone else who has bills to pay, also a YES to CULTW de-certification.
Exactly! It cannot be worse than the offer on the table! Let’s all stick together! Vote No for the principle that CPC didn’t negotiate properly.
Will your principles pay your mortgage ? Or maybe you think your beloved union who steals $1200 per year from you will pay it.
100% agree with you!
Yes we can get worse. Obviously your new or oblivious
If it goes to arb we can’t do worse than the company’s offer.
We can lose another $1000. So yea it can be worse
You’re totally wrong. There have been many arbitrations that ended up worse than Canada Post’s ‘final offer’. If the method is ‘final offer selection’ both parties will submit offers. Canada Post will submit a new, worse offer. The arbitrator will always select Canada Post’s offer because CUPWs demands will still be more unreasonable. This happened several times when Harper was in power. Please checknyour history. That’s not even counting the chance of a lock-out.
Very logical. Those who think some type of arbitration will magically bring a better deal are delusional. Not even including rhe chance of a lock-out, which would mean thousands more in lost wages. CUPW is scared of a ”yes’ vote because it’s a rejection of their ideas and tactics. That’s the real reason they want arbitration. If they truly believed in it they could have accepted arbitration back in October and we would have avoided the strike completely.
Probably the best comment I have ever read on here!
A yes vote is 700 dollars after tax, if your lucky. It means job losses, no overtime for full-time workers and seniority will be a thing of the past, which means anyone could lose their job. This is about union busting and keeping workers down. Who will fight for the average Joe, if they do away with unions. Sure let the greed rule.
There’s this little section in our CA about job security, you should open up the book and read it.
Keeping spreading your lies and fight that good fight. Solidarity to all our brothers and sisters. Blah blah blah
Did you forget about the 5k you lost in December?
DECERTIFY CUPW!!!
As a P04 i will surely be voting yes to accept CPCs’ final offer, that is, if there even is a vote. CUPW does not want a vote. If offer is accepted through a vote…CUPW look like idiots (no surprise there). Only card CUPW has to suppress this vote is to call for full out strike. We will then get legislated back to work. This way it goes to binding arbitration and thus CUPW can blame CPC and government for it going to arbitration. CUPW is playing us as they always have done.
You’re exactly right. That’s the CUPW playbook. Maybe if they ever learned how to compromise, an agreement could have been reached and we wouldn’t be at this place now. But thats not the CUPW way.
The CUPW way. Complain, lose, blame, complain, repeat.
CUPW cannot afford to pay employees for another strike, and it’s the reason why CUPW refused CPC’s offer to pay employee benefits during the last strike in Nov/Dec.
A no vote will likely lead to a lengthy lockout while parliament is on summer holidays as there is no reason to pay 55 000 workers when there is very little mail/parcels coming through the system.
If you vote yes, you’ll be sticking it to yourselves, not Canada Post. Canada Post will laughing at you all, while they figure out how many inside workers they’ll be laying off. And the letter carriers will be standing around the supervisors every morning, like the first day of kindergarten, wondering what route they’ll have that day. And seniority won’t come into play, because Canada Post is taking that away. And ot, that will be offered to the part timers, to make up their hours. So full-timers kiss that ot goodbye.
Lol..
Good! Full Timers’ OT is what’s bankrupting the company.
No it’s not!!!
Canada Post has been using the place as their personal bank. And they government has had 7 years to step in and do something about their financial situation, but they didn’t. Canada Post talks endlessly about financial losses. Investing into the corporation equals losses?? The CEO getting between 500 to 600 dollars a year along with 1.3 million in a bonus. Overpaid executives and their “At risk” bonuses, what’s that for? Ink spots on their suits? Yeah those 2% raises the postal workers got for years must be crushing Canada Post.
Will phone books be part of that, (not getting paid for flyers)
Ok concerning the flyers..it does say that the value for flyers will be replaced by time values…question does a stn have to be restructured 1st with new values before they can cut the flyer pay?
CPAA just finished their agreement with CPC, yes through arbitration, but a decent agreement none the less and it was reached without a strike. Why is it that CUPW can’t seem to make headway AT ALL when other unions can? Incompetence? Unrealistic demands? It will be a huge yes from me, time to end this circus.
I could be wrong but I dont believe CPAA are allowed to strike.
You are correct cpaa can not strike!
You are right, we are not allowed to strike. We are getting 11 percent you have been offered over 13 percent. Call me stupid but I am sure with arbitration you would get the same. Any changes to the CPC working model are going to happen no matter which way you vote, you can not stop it. We have no parcels, no mail and no retail at this point. I really cannot see a reason my CUPW workers are getting payed for 8 hours , they are going home before noon. It has been going on for weeks on end. At this point I am happy with our result and I would like to continue working. That is in question at this point.
This is bang on and very true.
Can someone explain what it means to get the flyer money by time value?
Its means you still have to deliver them but won’t be paid extra. Another reason to love this bs offer
Vote No!!!
Can you imagine getting a part-time job delivering flyers for someone (not Canada Post) and not getting paid for it?
You missed a few pertinent facts with that vivid imagination of yours; that part-time job would be paid an hourly wage half of what a LC earns, would have no benefits, and would definitely not have a gold-plated DB pension that pays you until the end of your time on this planet.
You’re right. Whether flyers are paid separately or part of time values, we’re still getting paid $32 (soon to be $34) an hour to work 8 hours as an LC. Plus benefits, great vacation, excellent pension etc. It’s really not as bad as the CUPW groupies make it sound Lol.
Ok soup
They also said any load levelling will be done before leaving depot and after you’re done your route you can’t be sent back out. So I don’t understand why people think they’ll have to go out again if they are done before 8 hours is up? That was in the legal part of offer.
Ok soup
Look at it this way.You are paid to deliver canada post services which include flyers
It should mean that instead of the money you get for flyers, you get time values for instead which is pensionable earnings and should shorten routes since one third would be considered delivered at 100%. In theory it is better for the workers buuuuttt…..CPC just messes with the volume counts to make up the difference and you end up delivering them for free. Have you ever been through a volume count (every one) where for the week that they are counting the mail there is mysteriously a good day every day? Suddenly the Monday following the count you are flooded with mail everyday for a week. They don’t even bother to mask it anymore. So your volume count goes from 70% delivery every day to 47%. (actual numbers on my old route 6 years ago) Now you get an additional 23% houses added to your walk with no money for flyers.
So for every 100 points of call you had you will potentially have 123. If you had 500 POC you will now have 615. With no pay for flyers. It is a good deal if done honestly but CPC will not do it honestly so vote NO especially if you are a carrier.
Liar
Wow you really thought out that response. Care to back it up with actual sentences?
He/she is not a liar. That is 100% fact as myself and fellow carriers lived through exactly that during our volume counts and restructure The friday prior and monday after we were slammed and loaded down like pack mules but all during the volume count not even a full tray of sequence and hardly any manual. Weve known for years cpc controls mail by holding or relaesing at their discretion to fit their narrative or whatever bs theyre whipping up to sell us and customers. In fact we actually have had large batches of mail come that must of been held in a leaking trailer or somewhere damp that the mail stunk of and had mould on it.
Flyers will be full coverage daily
Our Union wants the flyer money to disappear and be built into the routes time values. They seem to have a hate on for Letter carriers and think our flyer money is some sort of bonus pay. Maybe if they came back to the routes that some of them own and had to actually deliver 10-14 sets of flyers they would finally understand why we’re upset they want want to take our flyer money away.
P04 full-time. I get two 15 minute breaks take 20 minutes. I get 30 minute lunch take 35 minutes. I go bathroom once an hour,don’t need to really go and stay 5 minutes. That’s 8hrs times 5 equals 40 minutes. Let’s add up..40 minutes breaks,40 minutes bathroom 35 minutes lunch total..115 minutes or almost 2 hours of not working. Remaining 6 hrs talking,standing,playing games on phone and every so often moving parcels.
You sound like a certain PO4 from my office Lol. Yes PO4 is always an option for those workers too lazy to be an LC.
don’t forget one vape or smoke break every hour.
Is that right? Firstly it seems you chose to be a letter carrier. Dont get me wrong, LCs have a tuff go. No way I could be one. That said…if LCs would just do their route as laid out by CPC instead of trying to figure out ways to get done early every day, maybe CPC wouldnt be restructuring routes every 2-3 years. LCs are their own worst enemy. If you think that P04s have an easy go…come on over to group 1. Have a taste. Not as easy as you might have thought.
You forgot to mention smoke breaks and chit chat time with their team leader if their special .
I have lived in England ,Amsterdam,Italy and never had any problems with the Postal system ever. I’ve been in Canada since 2010 and seen nothing but problems. I understand you have bigger land mass and that Canada Post can only deliver in certain remote areas. Yet with all the intelligence that Cpc and Cupw have,how is it nobody can come up with a working solution that’s fair?
There was a lot less to complain about in the early 2000’s. The more changes Canada Post makes, the more messed up it gets. I guess the executives have to earn their bonuses, by constantly making changes that don’t work.
Well…that’s all I needed to see!
If I can’t get more added to my dynamic route after I leave, I definitely don’t mind working 6 hours instead of 4 lol.
Definitely voting yes now! F the union
Right on
lol, they will just add pick ups, RPO and SLB clearances at 2:30 and 5pm in the morning. It won’t be extra work just trying to keep you there longer. They have no NEW ideas, especially for generating income.
When will they understand forcing anyone (inside or outside )to stay or work longer when having finished what they’ve been tasked with does not generate any extra revenue. At some point in time all parties involved agreed to a certain job entailing doing certain tasks in a certain amount of time. In most lines of work starting early and finishing your job quickly and properly garner praise and commendation for a job well done, except at cpc. Here they force later and later start times (so much for winning back lost business or improving customer service with that genius idea ) leading outside workers to be out well past sundown unnecessarily or inside workers hanging around waiting to leave even after fininshing everything they were supposed to do,
The entire manner this place is run is (no better word for it) retarded! So instead of finding the proper ways to improve revenue and retain or win back business their answer is to beat down on employees and blame them for everything while awarding themselves bonuses..A yes vote gives them a mandate to continue and make even worse this retarded fiasco
You mean keep you here for the hours you’re paid?
You’d last maybe 3 days in the private sector. Better vote YES, you’re likely unemployable anywhere else.
If they will keep all the soups 8 hrs a day, they would only need about 1/2 of them. They all leave early too. But of course, operational requirements and at risk pay for a job well done
Sounds like a pretty sweet gig, how come you haven’t applied to be one?
Thank you Edmonton Oilers for making it to the Stanley Cup finals two years in a row. You didn’t win but you represented Canada very well.Something Cupw and Cpc has no knowledge how to do.
The insanity going around the world makes more sense then what Cpc and Cupw are doing. Hold your heads in shame.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/cupw-workers-vote-canada-posts-145910734.html
Vote NO!
Voting yes.👍
More manipulation,prapaganda ,twisted bull. How can I believe anything. This has left such a bad taste in my mouth ,I don’t give a F bleep what happens anymore.
MY FELLOW BROTHERS AND SISTERS DO NOT LET CANADA POST CORPORATION FOOL YOU WITH THEIR LIES AND PRAPAGANDA. THERE IS ONLY CANADIAN UNION OF POSTAL WORKERS WHOS LIES AND PROPAGANDA YOU SHOULD LET FOOL YOU!
AMEN !
Just because you’re yelling doesn’t make you any less wrong.
It sounds like the commies and kool aid kids are voting NO and people that work are a Yes
That bleep who makes sarcastic comments is a bleep bleep. Probably the same bleep who always mentions Cuba. Get off the platform and go back to your dollar store job as a cashier.
Voting yes ,no maybe. Group 4
I hope cupw and cpc will continue to use fear mongering and bullying I love the attention.
I will not read or write any more comments even this one. Infact I’m so disgusted I won’t even vote on June 31, 2025. June usually has 30 days thanks to tarrifs now has 31.
YES. Absolutely. I’m done with this nonsense. Lies from CUPW. Their demands are ridiculous and never told members exactly why they’re stuck. Look we have a good government job. Make great money for what we do. Inside outside where ever. Yes is what is needed. CUPW needs to hire proper a spokesperson Negotiators were a laughing stock to Joe public. Babies Times are changing
Maybe clarify the flyer pay for dynamic routing. Does this mean everyone still gets flyer pay or only those on dynamic getting it? This seems to be a big question all over the place online. Some assume it means that only dynamic was losing it in the first place, so this means they are getting it back, while others (mostly those pushing NO) are saying everyone else is losing flyer pay and only those on dynamic are keeping it.
But these reasons were never top of mind for cupw the last 8 months. It was part time weekend work, snow tires, janitors, plow drivers and wages. Now all of sudden, the union and its comrades say its load level, dynamic routing and such. Too late. You didnt care then and you sure dont care now. Cupw blew it. Its cupw thats starting to sweat.
Its too bad cupw doesnt have the same zeal as cpc in educating the membership. At least cpc is putting it all out there for members to see. What has cupw done? Post a lame 10 reason why vote no bulletin. And even those 10 reasons are not enough, in my opinion, to vote no.
So far of what I have read it doesn’t seem bad — it says no ssd on foot walks.
Because there will no longer be foot walks. Wake up
This would be a good thing, wouldn’t it? LCs talking about being overburdened and their bodies breaking down from having to walk so much carrying multiple bundles, and a huge reduction of injuries from not having to walk a route; no more twisting ankles from walking across lawns, slipping on icy stairs, etc. Safety first, right?
It’s time to retire CUPW. I’ve never seen such a ridiculous Union in all my years in the work force. Charing $100 per cheque in dues, not telling their workers what we are up against and being honest about anything, taking yearly vacations and writing it off as though it’s for business. What a joke. I am voting yes. CUPW can take their arguments else where. I am done with them.
Vote YES! To stop CUPW living from the past.
If you vote yes, the only people that will be hurt by it, will be the postal workers, inside and letter carriers. And once that happens and every hates it, good luck changing things back, that will never happen. Give Canada Post an inch, they’ll take a lot more than a mile. Some will lose their jobs, if they vote yes.
Employees should adjust, not the employer. If you dont like the job, Quit.
Voting yes
It’s the first time anyone in management has sweat in over a decade. No matter how badly they plunge the corporation into debt, they haven’t been held accountable yet.
Another CULTW kool-aid enthusiast spouting nonsense.
Decertification can’t happen soon enough, 2 successful negotiations since 1965, $1200 per year.
In the words of Roy Orbison: It’s Oooooover!
lol the more you try to explain the worse it’s sounding. What are you selling me a used car?
Who can vote No and continue with our Union approach
We don’t know..we are not sure, we don’t agree with report….we want to leave it as it is …hello .This is the best that we can get and I am sorry we didn’t accept first one in November with arbitration
We lost our wages and time in December for what …to have our Union say no to everything and get peanuts in return
Sorry but my vote is Yes
At least with a yes vote we know what we’re getting and it will be done and we can all move on with our lives for a while and not have to worry about putting money away for a lockout.
Just no. Negotiate like men instead of crying behind the ministers skirts.
Is this about CUPW?
If the “no” votes win ,hope we get locked out until fall parliament resumes and government changes Canada post mandate to follow recommendations of professor Ian Lee.These recommendations are ending home delivery and having cmb delivery only once a week.Should put an end to all the whining about dynamic routing and load leveling .When the letter carrier workforce is reduced by 75% this contract would look pretty good to the people that got laid off
I just laughed out loud at your comment. I feel bad for the people that can’t see the writing on the wall. CUPW has no cards to play.
Offer is available for you to read. If you don’t read, get a kid to explain it to you. Either way your vote is appreciated by those who care.
I am willing to fix the votes so i can get a free trip to Cuba .
I’ve waited 18 months to receive info from our union , crickets until now when they want me to vote no..now I’m flooded with emails from them .. also sick of seeing our union waste their time on Tik tok I have made my own decision now and I’ll be voting YES!!! 🙌 let’s do this !!
No matter the result the relationships between Cpc Cupw and workers will have changed forever..not for better .
Indeed, it will never be the same again.
A little birdie told me vote will be on Sat. June 28 didn’t mention which year. Do we get paid? I’m voting on my day off. I need more details birdie.
No
Please print hard copies for all the employees of Canada Post. Reading more than 15 pages on you phone can produce migraines or seizures. It’s not the employees responsibility to print it themselves. So please give us the opportunity to read a hard copy for our health and safety. I want to make an informed decision on how to vote and I’d rather read a hard copy so I don’t get sick.
WOW, this is what entitlement sounds like.
Read it and go on STDP. ; )
Group 3…big NO
As member of group 3 …it’s a sure NO
voting no….
Zero flyer pay and full coverage daily equates to a 4-8k paycut depending on route
Hope all the traitors that left CUPW and went to work for Labour Relations and lower management get cut permanently when the axe falls on the corporate side .
You explain no where how the work will be reassigned each morning? What about seniority? How will you compare the volume?
PS your link for your fact sheet doesn’t work 👎
Very good explanations of the new delivery methods. The whole proposed contract is easily accessible as well. CUPWs scare tactics are obviously not working. I think that workers with common sense will see these proposals are reasonable, realizing our company has to change. Just hoping the vote will be announced soon so we can complete the process. Time to move forward, not back to the 1970s like CUPW wants.
Cirb won’t allow your corporate propaganda to be distributed for the vote. What a greasy company. I wonder how many comments on here are from bot farms and management.
The links to both the dynamic routing and load leveling fact sheets do not work. Now do you see why we can’t trust you to do dynamic routing or load leveling, when you can’t even get a link to work?
I have read online of people claiming that all the CURRENT routes will lose flyer pay in exchange for time values, but I have not seen that in the offers. PLEASE CP if you are reading this, please let us know if this is true or just a scare tactic to get people to vote no.
All routes will lose flyer pay except Dynamic. 100% coverage daily
Love it. About time cupw and the sheep fall.
Voting yes to stick it to CUBAW.
Maybe after this vote is over we may get a chance to vote the CEO out of the company .Sign the petition .
It’s obvious that many that have been working for CP for a long time don’t feel comfortable with this change. But just like many of them adapted to delivering parcels and flyers instead of just mail, eventually everyone will adapt to it! NOW LETS VOTE YES FOR GOODNESS SAKES!
we inside workers are united to vote YES.
As a member of group 3…it will be a hell of a NO
It’s still a No
Understanding the offer is scary , can’t believe I work for a company that treats its workers the way Canada Post does.
It’s still a big fat NO !!
This contract is not the big buggy man CUPW wants you to believe it is:):) STAY INFORMED AND VOTE YES!
No, it’s not a “buggy man”, it’s just a crappy contract. I’m voting no.
Until you work under earthen you’ll be revising that statement
Hope all you CUPW members and exec’s that voted Liberal feel good about voting the Liberals back in power. FOUR more years of uncertainty. Enjoy the ride .
Hi…I will comment on nothing that has to do with the subject…thanks for reading! 🙄🙄🙄
It had everything to do with subject CPC CEO was appointed by Liberals ,Liberals used CIRB to end strike and force members back to work ,Liberal MP just forced members to vote on a final offer by a Crown Corporation controlled by a Li liberal Government .Wake up
Do you think CUPW would be in a better position if Poilievre had been elected? Hilarious. The only way CUPW would get it’s wishes would be with an NDP government. That will never, ever happen.
Exactly.
Where is the NDP to save them now .They were to busy supporting the Liberal Regime and now have no party.
CPC could be in a better position because they could remove the current CEO .As for CUPW we dealt with PCs under Harper so we know what they are capable of .Not that it would be any easier .But a new CEO may work in our favour.
Most Canadians voted for the Liberals. Apparently you’re not a fan of democracy.
You mean autocratic demonoccracy. Run by a Liberal regime .
Blah blah blah stick that in your pipe and smoke it NO!
Very articulate. Were the explanations too complex for you? Are you a member of the NEB?
I wish the Union did something like this. They just do tik tok videos saying vote No
Yeah, I wish CUPW could blow hundreds of millions of dollars every year for 7 years straight, then get the government to blame management for it. 😆
CUPW couldn’t do this. They’re totally unprofessional amd their arguments are not based in reality.
The NO voters will be expecting double time to vote on Saturday June 28th.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Why you say on a Saturday .The CIRB can bring the ballots to where we work and the union can observe.They can allow us to leave the floor get paid and vote on their time . My days off are for me .Not this fiasco of bargaining .
It’s a an online vote, you can always not vote and when YES wins look for work elsewhere.
Online even better for tampering. I would prefer paper ballots that are counted and recounted with observers for transparency .
Funny because it’s true.
That sounds on brand haha
Management still gets bonuses for running hundreds of millions in debt for six straight years. They’ll be in the hole again this year and expecting bonuses again. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
It should be if it is on Saturday June 28th.
( It won’t be)
Looks like CPC realizes the vote won’t go their way. Love to see them sweat! Here’s what I read in the above post;
Dynamic Routing – this is just the beginning. If you give in to us now, we’ll make sure the next contract institutes it nationwide, no matter how burdensome it proves to be!
Load Levelling – We’ll trust our antiquated measuring systems and supervisors who can barely answer an email to monitor your delivery before you leave….meaning you’ll hang around the station three or four hours to figure out what’s what.
Boy, they make it sound so much better than it’ll be.
Still voting an emphatic NO, Canada Post.
Paranoid much? Who’s sweating now, worried you’ll have to work for once?
CUPW supporters are the laziest, can’t wait to see them gone so that those of us who DO work hard won’t those miserable folks around.
Really? Can’t wait to find out how the majority vote.
Lol…looks like the union shit itself and is desperate for a no vote
Load leveling has been around for two decades in parcel hubs, it’s not as difficult to manage as you presume it to be; MSCs walk in, grab their keys and have a discussion with the staffing Supe if there’s any additional duties to be performed and they’re out the door.
By simply completing a transfer form to MSC or PO4, it may help reduce your sweating; but then you may have to work your eight hours and work off-shift.
Can’t wait to vote NO!
Voting no.
This is what 25 years and 20,000.00 in dues gets you…time fir a new union …I will be voting to accept…
Maybe CUPE will be willing to grow their numbers and represent postal workers .All the federal sector workers should be under one large Union .Even the airlines ,railroads ,dockworkers etc etc
The truth is CUPWs failure shouldn’t ne a surprise. They’ve settled two contracts since 1965. Probably the worst track record of any union in Canada.
With what they have planned, letter carriers won’t make 10 years before they are burnt out
There’s always UPS union…you should apply.