Update on CUPW Negotiations
June 9, 2025, 04:33 pm
748 comments
On Wednesday, June 4, Minister of Jobs and Families Patty Hajdu asked Canada Post and the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) to “return to the bargaining table with federal mediators to do two things: to seek to negotiate terms for an arbitration process…and to have the union table its response to Canada Post’s last global offers.”
Canada Post entered the discussions last week to try and break through the longstanding impasse. The parties did exchange some information on Thursday and Friday through the mediators, but there wasn’t enough to make any progress.
First, the Union has not tabled a response to our final global offers providing no basis to resolve or resume bargaining. Canada Post presented its offers to CUPW on May 28. There was also no indication that a response would be coming.
Second, we believe the final report of the Industrial Inquiry Commission (IIC) clearly outlines the critical issues we face and the immediate actions that need to be taken. It should therefore be the foundational document that guides any discussions about Canada Post’s path forward. The Union’s refusal to recognize the IIC report and its recommendations in their proposed terms of reference for arbitration is unacceptable.
After 18 months, we urgently need a fair resolution that begins to address our challenges while respecting the important role our employees play, and the voice they have in our future.
CUPW Urban
Why is it wrong for us to vote on the latest offer? If we vote and it’s a ‘NO’… We continue… If it’s a ‘YES’… we go back to work and hope some of the lost customers return.
If it’s a YES, then maybe the next vote should be to get rid of our CUPW representatives and get some people in that care more for our jobs than their own…
Just one opinion added to hundreds of others… I am pleased to vote and am happy for what we might/can get in this volatile economy. 80D
Why so quiet on this post? What is the result of vote?
After our CEO M. G. spent millions with the Corporate Team Incentive, we now know the truth; she spent money instead of managing it smartly for the Corporation future.
Now management is telling us we are going broke.
Why those managers did not object during that period? They were the recipients of those large checks!
NEGOTIATE IN GOOD FAITH
Canada Post management figure out who I am!
They know I speak the truth, they know my censored comments described the future of your workplace.
Your health, safety and wellbeing are now in danger!
NEGOTIATION NOT IMPOSING A NEW WORKLOAD IS THE ONLY SOLUTION !
In Canada, freedom of expression is a fundamental right, protected under section 2(b) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
It’s clear that does not exist in Canada Post!
Stop your censorship! Let my comments shine a light on your intentions; STOP YOUR CENSORSHIP
This infopost cannot accept the truth!
My health, safety and wellbeing comments are censored!
Why you ask? Because the workers future was described in my comments.
Dangerous time indeed!!
If my comments about health, safety and wellbeing can and are censored, management is demonstrating the proof they never wanted to negotiate!
We need the Union input to shine a light on the new work norms they want to impose on the workers.
REAL NEGOTIATIONS IS THE ONLY ANSWER
Censorship is the management’s answer to the truth!
My name is not anonymous !
My name is on top of every comment. All of my postings can be verified and confirmed.
That is why I am now censored!!
The truth must come out!
We need full transparency;
NEGOTIATIONS NOT A IMPOSED CONTRACT!
Censoring my comment is a definite proof of management fear of the truth!
Two of my comments concerning health, safety and wellbeing of your employees did not appear even if they respected your Comment Policy.
That is why the Union must have an input in the negotiations; the health, safety and wellbeing is not for management to control.
Dangerous time indeed!!
When you say “be happy they have jobs”, are you talking about the job description they have today? Or the job description they will have tomorrow?
The Union must be involved, they must have an input, to protect our health and welfare. Management cannot be trusted. The Union are the one most informed on what exactly management wants to change and the effect on our health, safety and wellbeing. Refusing to include the Union input demonstrates that management doesn’t care.
I have seen too many managers abusing handicapped employees, by sending them to a physiotherapy clinic, paid by CPC, to receive a 7 pages limitation expertise. Than having an insurance company, also paid by CPC, modify the said limitation expertise, to a 5 bullet point document to fit the job description management wants the handicapped employees to do.
When the handicapped worker conditions deteriorate, managers will fire them. If they can do that to a category of people protected by the Canadian Constitution, what’s in store for present workers?
The fact that management is trying to exclude the Union from the negotiations, is not acceptable. We also must question the way CPC bargaining units acted during the supposed negotiations.
In my book, the risk of abuse is real and dangerous.
I want my vote to mean something and it means NO to this deal.
No deal should leave workers worse off. That’s what this does. NO.
The math doesn’t work. We’re falling behind. NO vote here.
If we settle now, we lose leverage for years. I vote NO.
My family can’t afford another weak contract. I’m voting NO
I work hard and expect my contract to reflect that. Voting NO.
Every time we settle for less, we move backward. I vote NO.
If we don’t stand now, when will we? Voting NO in solidarity.
As a proud member, I say NO to this offer. We deserve better.
We’re being asked to give more with no real reward. I’m voting NO
This gives the employer everything and us very little. I vote NO.
If we accept this, we’re setting a low bar for the future. I’m voting NO
We’re worth more than this. Voting NO to send that message.
It’s a NO from me. We can’t let fear or fatigue push us into a weak contract.
This deal feels like we’re being asked to settle. I’m voting NO because I know we deserve more.
No improvements to working conditions, no real gains in wages. NO deal.
After years of sacrifices, this is what we’re offered? I’m voting NO
The cost of living is skyrocketing, and this deal barely keeps pace. That’s a NO from me.
We can’t settle for less. This agreement falls short. I’m voting NO and encouraging others to do the same.
Voting NO. This deal doesn’t come close to meeting the needs of workers facing rising costs and increasing demands on the job.
This has gone on far too long, is it the workers or the union that is holding up negotiations? Unions always make money. The workers should take a look at what is going on and be happy they have jobs.
When you say “to be happy with the job they have” are you talking about the job description we have now? The job we get in the future, must have the input of our Union because they are more aware of what management is forcing on us, and the direct effect on the workers.
All modifications must take into account the effect it will have on the workers. We cannot leave our health and welfare in the hands of management only. The fact that management doesn’t want the Union input, is unacceptable.
I seen too many managers abused their handicap workers by modifying their limitations, by using CPC payed insurance companies, than when their conditions deteriorate, being fired. If management can do that to a person that is protected by the Canadian Constitution, imagine what in store the workers.
That’s why the Union must be included in the modification management want. We cannot trust management.
When you say “be happy they have jobs”, are you talking about the job description they have today? Or the job description they will have tomorrow?
The Union must be involved, they must have an input, to protect our health and welfare. Management cannot be trusted. The Union are the one most informed on what exactly management wants to change and the effect on our health, safety and wellbeing. Refusing to include the Union input demonstrates that management doesn’t care.
I have seen too many managers abusing handicapped employees, by sending them to a physiotherapy clinic, paid by CPC, to receive a 7 pages limitation expertise. Than having an insurance company, also paid by CPC, modify the said limitation expertise, to a 5 bullet point document to fit the job description management wants the handicapped employees to do.
When the handicapped worker conditions deteriorate, managers will fire them. If they can do that to a category of people protected by the Canadian Constitution, what’s in store for present workers?
The fact that management is trying to exclude the Union from the negotiations, is not acceptable. We also must question the way CPC bargaining units acted during the supposed negotiations.
In my book, the risk of abuse is real and dangerous.
What happens IF the majority of cupw members vote NO?? What would the possible next steps be?? Have the two parties go back to the negotiating table?? (I hope NOT) Send this matter to binding arbitration?? OR the government orders an end to negotiating AND forces a collective agreement??
To all the anonymous people putting down the union and saying they want to vote yes…. have you even read ALL of CPCs offer, or are you just looking at the carrot and the small incentives dangled in front of your noses, Before you make a rash decision and screw everyone over read the offer in full.
Hey no-anonymous where are you?
Oh yeah it’s Flyday,
My bad
My vote YES 1000% I don’t care the CUPW, they CAN to be in Cuba happy.
In case any of you CUPW supporters have forgotten of the millions of dollars in donations that were never made to charities during Christmas for the 5 week strike, ruining Christmas for Canadians during the strike, for all the plants to have no parcels or mail due to union stalling for time, for the union trying to take out rights to vote by forcing an arbitration that could lead to major losses. So if you still think CUPW cares about you or Canadians, this is a reality check.. Also I’m not a supporter of terrorism that CUPW is..
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/saying-canadian-union-of-postal-workers-supports-hamas-was-not-libel-ontario-court-rules
To all the no-anonymous, before you put your X on your ballot, look a temporary or part-time worker in the eyes and tell them you don’t care what happens to them!
Then when you realize that the dynamic delivery is not what the boss said it was, don’t go crying to the union, it’s your choice, so live with it.
Do you think CPC will keep all the employees they have now…sweet dream no-anonymous your nightmare scenario is coming!!!
Sweet dream no-anonymous, your nightmare is coming!
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Don’t worry, no-anonymous, one day those big word will roll out of your mouth easily.
You still crying…😂 If there’s a NO vote the consequences will be worse.. I have an idea, look an employee in the face that has over 45+ years seniority and tell them how they’re not contributing to pensions and see if they care.. you’re definitely a NEB or CUPW manipulator looking for attention, we’re voting YES, you can cry when CUPW gets what they deserve
I’m not crying, I’m laughing! You have no clue what you’re voting for.
Maybe you should read the collective agreement, the answer is in there. Oh yeah I forgot too many big words for you to understand.
I hit the nail on the head, you won’t look them in the eyes because you know you’re wrong! My name is in your face what’s yours?
Amen.
You know how CUPW is so caring with all of their virtue signalling. All I need to know is how much money or toothpaste, soap, food, They donate when they go to Cuba. Their money not members money.
Interesting when I went to Cuba I noticed one Apartment building was half collapsed but people where living in the half still standing so I asked someone and shockingly they said that they won’t relocate you until your apartment collapses. Cuba is the sage that CUPW …….
Cuba guy with his 1000th post!
Wow, you’re so cool, afraid of the truth…Hey everyone look it’s CUPW guy who supports the corruption with the union has caused, 5 weeks of lost pay and destroying Christmas for Canadians.. Check Mate 🤡
Thank you cupw for negotiating for the last several years. Your efforts got the workers a decent wage and solid benefits,more then most people get. It is time to move on and start a fresh . The future looks good and again thank you foreverything you’ve done.
Privatize post better services
Now you are desperate ,scared,using fear mongering bullying tactics. You love Cupw hate Cpc. News flash,it works both ways. No longer bullied or push around. YES YES YES will won.
no more cuba trips for you cupw!!!!!
Cuba guy strikes again!
Hey look the stalker is back.. NEB groupie strikes again
Here’s a question for all you hard-nosed Cupw loving angry people. Why is it Cupw didn’t allow us workers a chance to vote. Instead it took Cpc to give us the democratic right. Cupw want to control us,decide for us keep us down . I gave them the right to negotiate not the right to vote. Now we will vote YES! Those who want to be kept down ,go work at Walmart.
Agreed, it was illegal to prevent us to vote, that’s why they pushed so hard for arbitration.. They are narcissistic scumbags.. CUPW it’s time for you all to step down, you will be removed and replaced.. Signed the membership
Ask yourself why CPC is pushing for a vote this time, instead of arbitration like they always do. It’s because they know with arbitration they won’t get everything they want.
No, those that don’t have faith in the union that represents us, go work for Walmart! When a deal comes that the union thinks is worth voting on, then we vote. They don’t care what “nobody”s puppet” feels about the contract because “nobody’s puppet” hasn’t got a clue what’s in 90% of the contract. THATS WHY WE HAVE A UNION!! When you took this job, you knew it was unionized…you don’t like it…buh bye!
Remind me when the last time they successfully negotiated a contract that we got to vote on was??? Oh right, decades ago.
Enjoy Walmart, CUPW only successfully negotiated 2 contracts since 1965 to now.. your points are invalid.. Elbows up..😂
The CUPW Groupies wouldn’t last a day working anywhere else because I hate to use a bad 4 letter word…they’d have to WORK!
Because the offer is garbage and we elected them to negotiate on our behalf and bring us an offer worthy of voting on. CP is just trying to scare you and ram this garbage down your throat so you’ll accept concessions while they continue to collect their bonuses and inflate their management. Stop being so gullible.
How sad that the Executives of the Union have screwed their Very Own Members in more ways than one. Ask the status of where your union dues go . Your leaders are robbing you guys blind. Vote yes and then vote your current leader ship out.
Spoken like a true manager
Spoken like a CUPW vermin…
You’re overlooking that cpc will dyick it to everybody once the dust settles. If you think anyone is safe you’re dreaming
What a ridiculous comment filled with BS.
To me its like choosing between facing a lion or a tiger in the coliseum. so after decades working for CP, although CP is not perfect will get my vote. AT least they are sane.
Roll the dice with arbitration, we will likely get a better offer. We are this far into it anyway
Keep dreaming, we have never gotten better during arbitration, especially now since the corporation has borrowed a billion dollars.. We have a right to vote, we have say not you, not Jan Simpson or the NEB, why you afraid because the truth is everyone has had enough of CUPW stalling tactics and trying to force Arbitration while not legally allowing us to vote.. There will be no arbitration..
This “Anonymous” guy that keeps harping on about Cuba has to be the most ridiculous person I’ve ever seen! Does he know WHY CUPW goes to Cuba? Does he realize every major workers’ union in the world goes to Cuba for May Day, including his beloved Teamsters??? He seems so mad that 8 CUPW execs go to Cuba, can’t wait to hear what he says when he hears dozens of Teamsters go as well! There was a movie that came out in 1994 starring Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels. This “Anonymous” guy should have had his name above theirs!
not every union goes. you must be a short wearing slurpee drinker!!!!!
The Cuba guy is approaching 1000 posts
Wow look at all the false information you’ve posted defending your beloved CUPW going to Cuba in the middle of negotiations.. Do you know the union is involved with radical activities and protests..? Do you know the commuand we have a voice and we have nist party of Canada supports CUPW, hence why they didn’t want us to vote. You like the rest of CUPW are going to learn you can’t control the membership and we have rights..
Yes!! We have rights!! Including the right to negotiate a contract with our employer WITHOUT the interference of government influence! Choose which rights you’re fighting for “Anonymous”. You keep crying COMMUNISM while our government strips us of the right, the constitutional right, to bargain in good faith??? What is wrong with you???
Our CUPW leadership’s worst nightmare has now come true. The majority of us, who are hard-workung intelligent people are neing allowed to decide our company’s future. In depot an LCA has already been running around intimidating co-workers into voting ‘No’. These sorts of bullying tactics from CUPW are the exact reason every member deserves a chance to vote. Everyone has a choice now. That is rhe definition of democracy.
I find that one hard to believe. If he was bullying someone would call him out on it
No need to bully anyone to vote no. The offer is garbage and only worthy of a no vote.
https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/arbitrator-awards-first-contract-to-clear-medical-imaging-workers-after-strike-last-fall
Exact same scenario with Clear Imaging. Do not be bullied. Stay united
Canada post thinks it can bully us and dangle carrots as incentive….maybe sheep like carrots ….let’s show them exactly what they can do with the Final offer!!!
So if we vote YES, CPC has the money to operate and pay our salary plus signing bonus! If we vote NO, they will cry that they will be bankrupt in 3 months! Can anyone make sense of this nonsense!
Complete nonsense and offer is garbage!
They are paying 55 million in bonuses with their latest offer. They are not broke
It comes down to dynamic routing which is scaring the folks that work 3 hrs a day and is paid for 8.
Nothing in this offer is going to get CP our of the red. Your out of your mind if you think that. Labour spending has not increased nor has it been the issue. Non labour spending on the other hand has drastically increased. If you vote yes, CP stays in the red and you accept less. If you vote no, CP stays in the red and you possibly make gains over their final offer. It’s a no-brainer to vote no.
cupw needs to go down and i think this will do it. time to put an end to their corruption.
CP trolls are out in full force today to try and turn the postal workers against the union. It would be laughable if it wasnt about hurting the workers.
NO
Outside workers are getting hammered this contract. Inside workers will be the next one. Before you vote yes, think on it.
my vote is a yes
NO!!!
You don’t speak for the membership, it’s a MAJORITY YES…!! Go apply at Walmart
It’s a MAJORITY YES!
MAJORITY NO!!!
Your wrong majority no vote.
Previous contracts, the corporation couldn’t wait for arbitration. Now they are pushing a vote. Ask yourself why that is. They know that if we vote yes to this, it is better for them than arbitration.
Exactly! Vote NO
And on the flip side, CUPW has always been against arbitration and this time they were pushing for it! Hmmm I wonder why???? Because they know the majority will vote YES to the proposal.
Arbitration is a total waste of time. CUPW wants arbitration because then whatever happens they can say it’s not their fault. Canada Post knows their offer is reasonable and the majority of workers will accept it. When this nonsense is over, stress levels will go down for everyone and Canada Post will get some business back.
Canada Post having the federal government do their bidding is an extreme misuse of power and will only have negative consequences for this company. Why bother bargaining on a contract when the corporation can just abuse their power??? This vote is just another example of taking away the rights of not just CUPW members but workers everywhere! Remember, nobody on this thread has a clue about the details of these offers, just the basics. If you vote “yes”, you’re doing it blindly and selfishly.
VOTE NO!!!
You’re totally and completely wrong. This is exactly the opposite of what you and the CUPW groupies think. Every member, all 55,000 of us are getting a chance to vote on this offer. If 50%+1 of us are smart and reasonable, rhe offer will be accepted. Let’s hope we don’t have to wait too long. I’m ready to vote.
And just like any election, less than 40% of the membership will decide on the fate of the other 60%, if that many will vote, which I doubt. This is just another in a line of heavy-handed tactics that those in power use to controller those that aren’t. Not being able to recognize that is a real problem!
Then the members better get out and vote to show the real demographics .
@Happy to Walk and how do YOU know all the details? Member of the NEB? And its not up to anyone myself included to tell people how to vote…I think we’re in a Democratic Country last time I looked!🇨🇦
I DON’T know all the details…that’s exactly my point!
Sounds like a boomer riding out his last couple years waiting to sit on his fat pension! It’s not 1980, we need to evolve!
And you sound like a selfish millennial that has no idea how you got what you currently have!
Oh yeah, CUPW promoting political dissemination before elections like if NDP or liberal party wins (but not conservative) they will support favourably CUPW members. And now, afterwards, when liberals are in power, CUPW cries that federal government is a misuse of power and so bad..
The offer is for overall members. Not just certain interest groups who are bent outta shape. You are keeping up with inflation and not losing what you have in terms of benefits ,defined pension,vacations etc. Be grateful for the chance to vote and keep what you have.
You are right – there are alot of Blinded members out there !
YES!
goodbye cupwwwwww
I will definitely be voting YES!
I suspect a lot of people are posting on this site that just want to sway the vote in the wrong direction, against the union and the workers.
Members recommend voting Cupw president and her entire puppets out as soon as YES vote happens. Mcdonalds is hiring.
I support this comment..
NOW decertify the union, get a refund for the membership employees paid for nothing since 2015 and move to Teamsters
Yes Yes Yes.. Teamsters will save us, CUPW a bunch of neanderthals living in the past…
Any other union would do a better job than CUPW.
With the vote coming does this mean Cuba trip is cancelled?
Lol, awww sorry, no more partying on members dues!!!! Lol
No the NEB are already on their way. Probably drinking champagne to celebrate another failure.
Has anyone asked themselves why the government didn’t step in, over the past 8 years to stop this CEO from putting Canada Post in the financial hole it’s in. The offer of $1000 will turn into what? $700 or so, after tax. Which will give you just over 20 dollars over 30 months. And what will letter carriers have to go through everyday?? Does anyone care? The union feels they can get a much better deal. Better than a small bribe to get your vote.
And just remember the CEO and the executives get huge performance bonuses, every year. And haven’t they under performed over the past 8 years? And what bonuses have the postal workers received? NOT ONE.
The union has you brainwashed, did you even see their demands..? No you didn’t, so stop with the BS.. The signing Bonus is better than nothing, and those CUPW bums wanted snow tires for RSMCS, Gender Affirming benefits and Fertility Aid Benefits as well that would go into the millions. The NEB has wasted 2.5years and put us out of work for 5 weeks. You should be grateful the government ordered us back because we’d all be in the unemployment line, so get a grip and stop manipulating people. You and the rest of CUPW are done, majority voting Yes, your 1 NO vote won’t matter, hit the road Jack,.
We used to get bonuses. But CUPW wanted to give it to everyone. People on sick leave, under performers etc. So the PERFORMANCE BONUS was cancelled.
If you’re complaining about CEO and executive pay and bonuses, go be a CEO or executive.
Well what did you expect from a Liberal Government .Then Canadians vote them back in for more bad policy . How many of the CUPW members voted Liberal. The Liberals cheated the Union how many times and they keep going back thinking they can get a deal from them .They have poor memories.
Soon as the YES votes win certain president of Cupw will be asked to resign. So update your resumes if you want the position.
Yes the entire NEB should resign. But first a quick two week vacation in Cuba at member’s expense.
Hey the Cuba posting dude is at it again!
Not just the president, the whole executive team should be replaced.
Hey can’t the onion I mean union try for a court injection to delay the vote?
I wouldn’t be surprised if they do.
All you need is 50.1 percent to say YES to the Company’s latest offer,that’s all. Is there enough workers across Canada who will vote YES to reach that goal?
Yes, I will vote yes
Yes
YES. There is one specific things I don’t like, then take away our flyer bonus, but CUPW doesn’t seem to even care about that, only about they 5 min wash up time! I’ll still vote yes to secure my job , then hopefully next contract we can deal with the flyer bonus pay, with a different union , hopefully! CUPW can grab their hammer and sickle flag and go to Cuba or Russia!
If you think this contract is bad wait till the next one. You think they will stop cutting, just wait a couple more years
Yup from this postie.
Will happily vote yes to decertify CUPW if that gets started too
Same here.
Actually you need 50% Plus one vote.
Perfect, and as soon as the “yes” vote goes through we can start the decertifying process!
Yes.. Remove them for good..
WE ARE OFFICIALLY GOING TO VOTE! Finally we get to decide our path and not the CUPWCommies
I’m just a carrier with 2 years to go, not a union fanboy by any stretch, but be careful if voting yes. If you think the routes are long now , give it a few years. They will wear out carriers faster than you think. Vote whatever way you want, but if you are only about 10 years in you might want to think on it.
Yes and finally this nonsense will end. A good day all around. Let’s just hope this happens as smoothly and soon as possible.
Brainless peeps thinks that voting Yes will save us lol go ahead and see what would happen. In the end all of you would be laid off and end up in McDonald’s or doing Uber eats lol.
Will voting no save us?? Lol
Whatever you say. We’ll soon find out if reasonable, intelligent employees outnumber CUPW groupies like you. Either way, the result will actually be democratic, something CUPW is terrified of.
Get ur resume ready then
voting yes without any hesitation
Because delivering flyers is so much more advanced…lmao
The fact you’ll cry, will be worth the vote alone, be mad because McDonald’s turned you down.. cope harder.. The membership is stronger than your butt hurt and we deserve to vote.. It’s our legal right if you understand the laws..
Looks like we get to vote!! She is now forcing a vote! Guess all the emails worked, lol…
Not actually forcing. If you don’t want to vote, you don’t have to. It’s actually an opportunity to vote. Please don’t fall for CUPW propoganda.
I have a good joke this morning….CUPW to administer banking system….ha ha ha hahaha.
Why don’t workers get to-gether vote on this offer and just forget this DISorganize bunch call CUPW
Finally a win for the membership, we get to vote and show the union who’s boss..
Let’s unite and make this pass, then remove CUPW forever..
Great news, this really made my day. The voices of the hard-working majority were heard.
BREAKING NEWS**
FORCED VOTE!!
and there we go, vote is happening as per the minister
Please just let us vote! In my area we don’t have a single employee that would vote “no”! Let’s get this done.
I think that Canada post does have to be re-built and that millions are wasted every year on routes that are paid for 8 hours but only work 2or 3 a day. With mail volumes dropping maybe they should go to 2 days a week for delivery so they can get in a full day of work. Privatization might solve all of these issues. Or raises on merit instead of accumulated years of bad service or no service to Canadians.
Man , you don’t want to privatize
Look how it ruined the care homes and hospitals
Do you really want to work in a McDonald’s and get paid nothing to do two different jobs
Think
Don’t wait, join the rest of the membership to vote YES..
https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/patty-hajdu(88984)#contact
Thank you and please keep posting the link. We need the government to know what the majority of CUPW members want. Most of us are good workers who are sick of being controlled by a small group of radicals in the CUPW NEB.
Push for Bill 108.1 to get us to vote, the union doesn’t want this to end, they’re all about spending our money endlessly.. Email the Minister and push to vote 108.1, we won’t be silenced by CUPW, let’s end this and get back to work..
https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/patty-hajdu(88984)#contact
For the future iof Canada Post and our jobs, we must decertify CUPW!!
I have a good joke this morning….CUPW to administer banking system….ha ha ha hahaha.
I totally agree. Unions are necessary and useful, just not this union. CUPW has become bloated and out-of-touch with members. But priority one should be asking the government for a vote on this offer.
The optimism that a vote would result in an overwhelming yes to the corporations “final offer” is extremely laughable. It’s as though every comment in here that would vote yes has either not read the entire offer and what it entails or it’s a yes from a PO4.
I can assure you, with certainty. If it were ever to go to a vote (which or won’t) the result would be a hard NO.
Okay then let’s find out ASAP.
Keep dreaming
I would bet my years wage on an overwhelming yes vote!!
How about a hard YES! And the only ones that’ll vote No are the disgruntled and CUPW Groupies…Anyone with common sense will vote yes!
When will this be resolved? I get that for the most- part that workers don’t matter to CEO’s and executives but seriously, this has gone on long enough. This is causing undue stress for many many of the postal workers and they didn’t get last year’s raise till the beginning of this and they haven’t received this year’s raise yet.
never neither of the party has anyone capable.
Seriously, every employee that wants this to end and vote yes, email Minister Patty Hajdu. I’ve done so explaining how our hands are tied and not able to vote which should be our right!
Great idea! The government’s patience will run out sooner or later. Let the Minister know, we want to vote.
So Canada Post has been struggling since 2018. No shock that the current CEO has been there since 2018. He is left for years to tank Canada Post, then he’s given a billion dollar loan by Trudeau.
Building brand new plants with all the unnecessary bells and whistles and then purposely rendering them underutilized , buying electric vehicles and then parking them all somewhere to rot into the ground, installing telematics not to be used for disciplining but now used for disciplining, new pdts that don’t tap and only take credit cards so we look like idiots in front of customers, telling Amazon we can’t handle their volumes because God forbid we grow some business. In what universe does a board run a corporation in this manner and then gets bonuses to boot with money that’s supposedly been “lost”. Some of you rightfully may complain about the unions shortfalls but thank God somebody is pushing back against this insane and concerted union busting oppression to never ever reach a negotiated settlement
So wanting to vote on a contract offer is ‘union busting’? You do realize we all pay over $1200 a year to CUPW. They’re supposed to work for us and follow the membership’s requests. Now we’re requesting a chance to vote.
So what?The house is burning what do you do? Point fingers or try to save what you can?
If only the public knew that.Otherwise good point .
CUPW pushed for electric vehicles, CUPW pushed for a lot they’re not telling us and you CPC. Why don’t you ask the union to show you demands they make during contract talks.. Because they won’t, you’d be surprised how bad the union is screwing everything up and blaming the post office, and if the union showed transparency you’d see how bad it really is, you have no idea how brutal CUPW lies to make you believe everything is CPC’s fault, and you’re a perfect example of it. This is why we want to vote, CUPW does not want us to have any say and get another bad contract because of them and their demands.. We don’t need Gender Affirming benefits, we don’t need fertility Aid Benefits, we do t need Canada Post to pay for snow tires for RSMCS, we don’t need the cleaners or snow removal under CUPW, I can go on but obviously you don’t see what we get when union negotiates.. wake up, it’s not always what you think, it’s what CUPW wants you to believe..
That’s exactly right. CUPW did push for electric vehicles for many years. As we all know our union only has bad ideas that are not based in reality. Two perfect examples are ‘postal banking ‘and ‘srniors check-in’. CUPW has no clue how business or the economy work.
And brainwashed the CP employees 😦
I agree 100%
It looks like democracy may be alive and well in Canada. Minister Patty Hajdu has just ordered that a vote take place on Canada Post’s offer. We know the majority of CUPW members are hard-working reasonable people so let’s hope this happens ASAP. Thank you to all members who emailed the Minister with your concerns. It looks like our voices were heard.
CUPW couldn’t negotiate out of a paper bag,🤡🤡🤡this is the NEB.
But they do know how to book hotels, charge for meals and room service and take vacations to Cuba. All paid for by members dues, of course.
Neither can the Canadian Government or Canada Post .So what does that say when the THREE involved are incapable. Tune in next week for a glimpse.
100% true, even if the bag was open, they couldn’t win a negotiation
CPC: accept that the Kaplan report is only one piece of the terms of reference.
CUPW: accept that the Kaplan report needs to included as per the Minister’s prior direction
Minister Hajdu: if they can’t agree on terms just do it for them. Put it to a vote or send them to arbitration, enough is enough
Just let us vote, if it’s a yes, done. If it’s a no then just send us to binding arbitration. I’m so over all of this BS. I like my job, I’d like to keep it and be able to pay my mortgage and feed my family please, stop threatening my livelihood with another work stoppage I don’t want and will cost me thousands
Your viewpoint is very reasonable and I’m sure most CUPW members agree with you. The union is supposed to serve us but is doing everything possible to prevent a vote. Let’s keep emailing the Minister to make this happen.
Canada Post is trying to divide a conquer. If the inside workers were to vote yes for a deal that’s going to harm the letter carriers, then you can bet your bottom dollar that the next time, when Canada Post wants to screw over the inside workers, the letter carriers will return the favor and throw the inside workers under the bus (so to speak). It’s critical that the postal workers stay united.
CP said they had enough money until Q2 which ends at the end of June this is before the government loaned them 1 billion, 500 million of that is to repay a bond coming due soon.
With revenue down about 50% and payroll about about 500 million each month they are burning about 250 million each month. I think CUPW will get there answer soon about more government money.
Let’s see. Division between cupw and cpc. Division between members. Division between Donny and Elon. Division between Russia and Ukraine. Did I mention divsion between cupw and cop yet? Ok. So basically everything that’s going at Canada Post is going on in the world. We fit right in.
If union is truly democratic why cant we vote to decide? Why are they worried about protecting themselves over us? After months of strike we haven’t really done anything except waste time, money and reputation. Now with many unions doing strike noone is going to care about us. Do the right thing and get us to vote. How can I contact the minister to say the union does not speak for all of us?
patty.hajdu@parl.gc.ca
You can email her.
patty.hajdu@parl.gc.ca
Probably better off emailing a Conservative MP .Hopefully they can bring it up in question period for a long debate .But don’t expect a solution this is Canada .They are prepping for summer holidays in a couple of weeks .
We elected them to negotiate on our behalf to obtain a good contract for all workers. The CP offer is garbage so there’s nothng worthy of voting in. It’s really that simple.
It sounds like most CUPW members disagree with you and want to vote on this offer. Either way, the decision is the Minister’s, not yours or the NEB’s.
Lol “majority” sure whatever makes you happy.
Canada post is broke and no longer relevant but you expect everything like the kid whose parents have lost their jobs but expects all the usual nice Xmas gifts
The heck do expect? CP offer fairly acceptable par on current economic status in canada. If you or you friends don’t like it, quit. Thousands of people don’t have jobs and willing to work in CP.
Exactly right. The majority of members want to vote on this offer. We know the CUPW NEB would like negotiations to go on forever so they can continue to enjoy free meals and accommodation at the Ritz Carlton, but most of us want this to end. Please email the Minister, you’ll find the link several posts below this.
Look up her name. Easy to email her
Bcuz you’re easily brainwashed
Democratic? CUPW is the least democratic union in Canada…They tough arm people, threaten, and are as crooked as they come…they still think they’re in the 70s
https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/patty-hajdu(88984)#contact
cpc now forcing us to take all of annual leave. and not allowing it to carry over. greiv it people/
No one being forced to use annual, nothing to grieve.. How about grieve the union to get a contract..?? CUPW the Bunch of Norwegian clowns, and bozos. This has gone on far enough, contact the minister to force a vote, if we do nothing, the union will drag this to our next contract..
Agreed 100%
No I will take annual leave for Cuba with the negotiators
Was always that way champ.
working in fleet been here for 7 years now. never we were asked or should i say forced to take vaccay within the same year. Guys have been off here for like 2 months and over a month all of a sudden change of rules coz they can.
Exactly! Nothing in the collective agreement says supervisor SHALL allow annual carry over. It’s always been at their discretion.
That’s not actually true, but thanks anyway. You’re very good at spreading disinformation. Do you also write the bulletins on the CUPW website?
so whats the policy on carry over vaccation can you please let me know. thanks
It sick as this sounds ,it might not be a bad idea to start your Christmas shopping now and start sending out cards and packages. Dont use DHL.You never know we could be on strike come November 2025 and then sol.
It’s very expensive to rent rooms at the Carlton Ritz Hotel in Ottawa. Im glad my union dues can continue to for it. Not to mention the food ,drinks amenities etc. If I was part of the Cpc and cupw negotiations I would drag this on forever ,and laugh at all those who pay union dues. Hahaha
The only way to make these negotiations better is to move them to a five-star resort in Cuba. We know our CUPW NEB deserves another trip at members expense. Who cares if they ever settle the contract. Why break their perfect record of failure?
Unfortunately you’re not wrong, Negotiating committee went to Cuba in the middle of negotiations, and monthly trips to Niagara falls for parties also.. There is no end to where CUPW spends our dues.. Useless and and embarrassing
Yes they are disgusting. We all pay $1200 a year for this. There are many competent, professional unions in Canada. CUPW is not one of those.
Exactly
Thats why they can never, ever settle a contract. They’re great at booking trips paid for by members dues though.
In Alberta, we are paying $1320 a year for this!! and I’m a casual! I’ve been waiting for permanent for five years now. I got called EVERY DAY before this. I haven’t been called for almost a month now because the volumes are down. LET US VOTE!!!!!
Decertify CUPW
Yes I agree, enough of this useless union.. I bet they’re getting excited to start negotiations again next year..
Absolutely! How do we start.
I’m done reading all the comments. All the for and against Cpc and cupw. All the whining and then some. Its time for redemption and salvation. Start now.
As the late great Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys wrote,Good Vibrations. Canada Post and Cupw listen to that song and you just might get back on the right track. BRIAN WILSON WE MISS YOU ALREADY. GOOD VIBRATIONS FOREVER!
<3
The CVPW as a conflict of interest.They don’t want to sign a contract that diminishes the amount of employees.
We need to vote. It was a final offer. That’s what our members want.
No it’s not what we want.
Yes it is. We want to vote
Why don’t the workers get to-gether, take a vote among themselves and just forget this DISorganize bunch, call CUPW.
Yes we do, you speak for the very little minority who will vote NO.. you do t want to work you can quit, we want to work, so we will vote yes
Yes it sure is what we want. Read the room bud.
Enough is enough.. it’s time for the membership to push Bill 108.1 in the labour code and allow us to vote on CPC offers.. Here’s the contact information for the minister.. We must push Bill 108.1, the union won’t hold us hostage..
https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/patty-hajdu(88984)#contact
Good idea. We know CUPW will never compromise, therefore they will never reach an agreement. If we want this nonsense to end we must be allowed to vote on Canada Post’s offer. The government through the Minister can make a vote happen.
THIS!!
Everyone lets push this, send the minister and email and push Bill 108.1, if we do nothing the union will cost us our pensions, business losses, and we’ll lose job security because of these clowns.. The union has already failed the letter carriers and they will suffer by their pathetic bargaining.. Contact the Minister and demand to push Bill 108.1 ..
https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/patty-hajdu(88984)#contact
I am with you!!!
Just let us vote already! What is the end goal here? I just want to work and feed my family.
CUPW can’t negotiate or compromise. They refuse to admit our company needs to change. If they accepted this, they could have done something smart, like getting a better wage increase. Wr can only hope the Minister runs out of patience and authorizes the vote ASAP.
Agreed, none of us want a strike or work stoppage again.. We lost 5 weeks of pay thanks to CUPW’s strike.. Let us vote and get back to work
I feel so helpless!! I would be happy to sign that final offer, but we have no choice!
Helping their members lose thousands of dollars each is pretty much the only thing CUPW has accomplished.
You are working
Bingo! Just a bunch of over-paid bored soups here pretending to be CUPW members!
If that’s true, then there’s no problem holding a vote on this offer. If there’s enough CUPW groupies like you the offer will be rejected. Let’s find out ASAP.
Attrition is the only solution, The monopoly part of Canada post is less then 50%, Yet the government sets all these rules for the company which makes it impossible to compete.
*hiring many with disabilities
* no increase in the rates charged for government mailings
*mail to every house daily
* etc etc.
Government sets the rules If anyone is to blame it is them.
The comparison between the dire state of Canada Post’s contract negotiations and the broader challenges facing Canada as a country involves examining two distinct but interconnected issues: a struggling public institution and the socioeconomic and political difficulties of the nation. Below, I’ll break down the challenges faced by Canada Post in its contract negotiations and compare them to the broader issues impacting Canada, drawing on available information and avoiding speculative or unsupported claims.
### Canada Post and Contract Negotiations: A Dire State
**Financial Struggles and Operational Challenges**:
– **Massive Losses**: Canada Post has faced significant financial difficulties, reporting losses of over $3 billion since 2018, including a $490 million loss in the first half of 2024. These losses are attributed to a sharp decline in letter mail (from 8 billion to 2 billion pieces annually) and competition from private carriers in the parcel delivery market. The corporation has warned it could run out of operating capital by the second quarter of 2025 without intervention, relying on a $1 billion repayable government loan to stay afloat.[](https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-post-possible-strike-again-1.7524833)[](https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-post-strike-1.7384146)
– **Structural Issues**: A 2025 Industrial Inquiry Commission (IIC) report highlighted Canada Post’s outdated delivery model, recommending the end of daily door-to-door delivery and the introduction of part-time workers for weekend deliveries to cut costs. These changes are contentious, as they could lead to job cuts and reduced service quality.[](https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-post-small-businesses-1.7536827)%5B%5D(https://globalnews.ca/news/11200695/canada-post-union-bargaining-table-talks/)
– **Impact of Strikes**: A month-long strike in December 2024 disrupted services, costing Canada Post $208 million and piling up millions of packages during the holiday season. The strike ended with a government order to return to work, extending collective agreements until May 22, 2025. However, the threat of another strike looms, with negotiations stalled and a nationwide overtime ban in place as of May 23, 2025.[](https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-post-strike-1.7384146)%5B%5D(https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/canada-post-employees-not-working-overtime-as-negotiations-continue/)%5B%5D(https://globalnews.ca/news/11200695/canada-post-union-bargaining-table-talks/)
**Contract Negotiation Breakdown**:
– **Sticking Points**: Negotiations with the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW), representing 55,000 workers, have been ongoing for over two years without resolution. Key issues include Canada Post’s push for “flex staffing” (part-time workers), weekend delivery, and dynamic routing (daily route adjustments), which the union views as rollbacks that threaten job security and working conditions. The union demands fair wages, health and safety protections, and retirement benefits, arguing that Canada Post’s proposals undermine full-time jobs.[](https://www.thestar.com/business/canada-post-presents-new-offer-to-union-including-13-per-cent-wage-hike-and-weekend/article_7d4023ef-18c1-44d2-a38f-8e755e69e5fc.html)%5B%5D(https://www.supplychaindive.com/news/canada-post-contract-negotiations-paused-strike-risk/748126/)%5B%5D(https://www.cupw.ca/en/collective-agreements/urban-and-rsmc-negotiations-2023-2025/state-negotiations-canada-post%25E2%2580%2599s-demands)
– **Failed Mediation**: Despite mediation and an IIC led by William Kaplan, progress has been limited. Canada Post’s “best and final” offer on May 28, 2025, included a 13.59% wage increase over four years, a signing bonus, and an end to mandatory overtime, but the union rejected it, citing insufficient concessions and accusing Canada Post of ignoring key demands.[](https://www.thestar.com/business/canada-post-presents-new-offer-to-union-including-13-per-cent-wage-hike-and-weekend/article_7d4023ef-18c1-44d2-a38f-8e755e69e5fc.html)%5B%5D(https://globalnews.ca/news/11200695/canada-post-union-bargaining-table-talks/)%5B%5D(https://www.cupw.ca/en/collective-agreements/urban-and-rsmc-negotiations-2023-2024)
– **Government Involvement**: The federal government, through Labour Minister Patty Hajdu and Secretary of State for Labour John Zerucelli, has urged both sides to negotiate but has avoided direct intervention beyond the IIC and a back-to-work order in 2024. Canada Post has requested a forced vote on its final offer, which the union opposes, arguing it won’t resolve underlying issues.[](https://infopost.ca/negotiations/)%5B%5D(https://www.cupw.ca/en/collective-agreements/urban-and-rsmc-negotiations-2023-2024)
**Public and Business Impact**: The ongoing uncertainty disrupts small businesses and e-commerce, which rely on Canada Post for affordable shipping. Many are switching to costlier private couriers like FedEx or UPS, and the potential for another strike threatens supply chains and consumer access to mail services.[](https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-post-small-businesses-1.7536827)%5B%5D(https://chitchats.com/blog/canada-post-alternative-2025)
**Sentiment on X**: Posts on X reflect frustration with Canada Post’s financial state and the potential for another strike, with some questioning whether the system is broken and overly reliant on taxpayer bailouts.[](https://x.com/BertaProudDad/status/1926355464293400900)
### Canada’s Broader Challenges: A Dire State?
While the term “dire state” for Canada as a whole may be debated, the country faces several significant challenges that can be compared to Canada Post’s struggles. These issues span economic, social, and political domains, though they vary in severity and impact.
**Economic Challenges**:
– **Cost of Living and Inflation**: Canada has grappled with high inflation in recent years, though it has moderated since its peak. The cost of living, particularly housing, remains a pressing issue, with affordability challenges in major cities like Toronto and Vancouver. This mirrors Canada Post’s struggle with rising operational costs and the union’s demand for wage increases to match inflation (e.g., permanent wage adjustments beyond temporary cost-of-living allowances).[](https://infopost.ca/negotiations/cupw-urban/cupw-negotiations-update-urban/)[](https://infopost.ca/negotiations/cupw-urban/cupw-negotiations-new-terms-and-conditions-of-employment-come-into-effect-2/)
– **Economic Slowdown**: Canada’s economy has faced slower growth, with concerns about productivity and competitiveness. U.S. President Donald Trump’s proposed tariffs (as of 2025) could further strain Canadian businesses, particularly those reliant on cross-border trade. This parallels Canada Post’s competitive struggles against private couriers and the need for structural reform to remain viable.[](https://www.thestar.com/business/canadians-could-see-mail-grind-to-halt-in-just-over-two-weeks-if-deal-not/article_0b4d1ea3-9e98-4e04-af91-84843b55ed6e.html)
– **Public Sector Spending**: The federal government’s $1 billion loan to Canada Post reflects broader fiscal pressures, including deficits and investments to stabilize public institutions. Critics argue that such bailouts highlight inefficiencies in public services, similar to debates about Canada Post’s reliance on taxpayer funds.[](https://www.insidehalton.com/news/canada-post-negotiations-strike/article_a387f7bc-1660-5d9c-94b8-940ec411238a.html)%5B%5D(https://x.com/BertaProudDad/status/1926355464293400900)
**Social and Labor Issues**:
– **Labor Disputes**: Canada Post’s contentious negotiations are part of a broader trend of labor unrest in Canada, with other sectors (e.g., rail, education) facing similar disputes over wages and job security. The CUPW’s resistance to part-time work and dynamic routing reflects broader worker concerns about precarious employment, a growing issue in Canada’s gig economy.[](https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-post-small-businesses-1.7536827)
– **Public Service Strain**: Canada’s healthcare system and other public services face challenges like long wait times and staffing shortages, akin to Canada Post’s operational struggles. Both reflect difficulties in maintaining robust public institutions amid changing economic realities.
**Political and Governance Issues**:
– **Polarization and Trust**: Public discourse in Canada, as seen in X posts and media, shows frustration with government and institutional leadership. For example, comments on Canada Post’s negotiations criticize both the corporation and the union for mismanagement, reflecting broader dissatisfaction with political and corporate governance.[](https://infopost.ca/negotiations/cupw-urban/cupw-negotiations-update-urban/)[](https://infopost.ca/negotiations/cupw-urban/cupw-negotiations-new-terms-and-conditions-of-employment-come-into-effect-2/)
– **Policy Uncertainty**: The government’s hands-off approach to Canada Post’s negotiations (beyond mediation and back-to-work orders) mirrors debates about its role in addressing national issues like housing or climate change. Some argue this reflects a lack of decisive leadership, though others see it as respecting collective bargaining.[](https://www.cupw.ca/en/collective-agreements/urban-and-rsmc-negotiations-2023-2024)
### Comparison: Canada Post vs. Canada
| **Aspect** | **Canada Post (Contract Negotiations)** | **Canada (National Challenges)** |
|——————————–|———————————————————————————————————|————————————————————————————————–|
| **Financial Strain** | $3 billion in losses since 2018; reliant on a $1 billion government loan; declining mail volumes. | High cost of living, housing crisis, and fiscal pressures from public spending and potential tariffs. |
| **Structural Issues** | Outdated delivery model; push for part-time work and dynamic routing opposed by union. | Aging public infrastructure (e.g., healthcare); need for economic diversification amid global competition. |
| **Labor Challenges** | Stalled negotiations with CUPW; disputes over wages, job security, and working conditions; strike threats. | Rising labor unrest across sectors; concerns about precarious work and wage stagnation. |
| **Public Impact** | Disrupted mail services affect businesses and consumers; potential for further strikes. | Economic and social challenges reduce public confidence; services like healthcare under strain. |
| **Government Role** | Mediation and back-to-work orders; pressure to avoid intervention while ensuring stability. | Balancing fiscal responsibility with public service demands; criticism for lack of bold reforms. |
| **Public Sentiment** | Frustration with strikes and financial losses; calls for reform or privatization on X. | Discontent with cost of living, governance, and public services; polarized views on leadership. |
**Key Similarities**:
1. **Financial Unsustainability**: Both Canada Post and Canada face challenges in sustaining public services amid declining revenues (mail volumes for Canada Post, economic growth for Canada) and rising costs. Both rely on government support, raising questions about long-term viability.
2. **Resistance to Change**: Canada Post’s union resists structural changes like part-time work, mirroring broader Canadian resistance to reforms in sectors like healthcare or energy due to fears of reduced services or job losses.
3. **Public Frustration**: X posts and public discourse reflect dissatisfaction with both Canada Post’s management and national governance, with perceptions of inefficiency and mismanagement fueling calls for change.[](https://x.com/BertaProudDad/status/1926355464293400900)
**Key Differences**:
1. **Scale and Scope**: Canada Post’s issues are confined to a single Crown corporation, affecting 55,000 workers and specific industries (e.g., e-commerce). Canada’s challenges are national, impacting millions across sectors like housing, healthcare, and trade.
2. **Resolution Mechanisms**: Canada Post’s issues are being addressed through labor negotiations and an IIC, with a clear deadline (May 22, 2025, for collective agreements). National issues like the housing crisis or economic competitiveness lack such defined timelines or mechanisms, making them harder to resolve.
3. **External Pressures**: Canada Post faces internal labor disputes and market competition, while Canada’s challenges include external factors like U.S. tariffs and global economic trends, which are less controllable.
### Critical Perspective
The “dire state” label for Canada Post is grounded in its financial losses, operational inefficiencies, and stalled negotiations, which threaten service disruptions. For Canada as a whole, the term may be overstated but reflects real concerns about affordability, public service strains, and economic uncertainty. Both cases highlight tensions between maintaining traditional systems (daily mail delivery, universal public services) and adapting to modern realities (e-commerce, global trade). However, Canada Post’s challenges are more immediate and actionable, while Canada’s issues are broader and require long-term, multifaceted solutions.
The government’s cautious approach to Canada Post—favoring mediation over heavy-handed intervention—mirrors its broader governance style, which some criticize as indecisive. Yet, forcing a resolution (e.g., through binding arbitration or legislation) risks alienating workers or ignoring structural issues, much like how national policies often struggle to balance competing interests.
### Conclusion
Canada Post’s contract negotiation crisis reflects a microcosm of Canada’s broader challenges: financial strain, resistance to structural change, and public frustration with institutional performance. While Canada Post’s issues are acute and tied to specific labor and operational disputes, Canada’s challenges are more diffuse, spanning economic, social, and political spheres. Both require bold reforms to remain sustainable, but Canada Post’s path to resolution is clearer (through negotiation or arbitration), whereas Canada’s national challenges demand longer-term, coordinated efforts across government and society.
If you’d like me to dig deeper into specific aspects (e.g., Canada Post’s financial data or Canada’s economic policies), let me know!
No thanks, but I can see you’re great at copy and paste.
Why does it matter?
Just go to binding arbitration or get postal workers to vote.
If the vote is no, then go to binding arbitration.
Your solution is to simple and logical. Our union will never agree Lol.
Exactly if the vote is NO binding arbitration, but it won’t be no as the membership wants to vote YES… Binding arbitration is worse..
Thanks CHAT GPT for your resume 🤣🤣
Thank you. Reading this made me realize you want an employee to balance the budget.OK
All superintendent get a 15% pay cut, managers 20% pay cut.
Directors 25% pay cut. Vice president sorry 30% and Mr president you get the 35% pay cut. No more bonuses and that includes the negotiation team. How much did I save?
And how about this; all officers that take a disciplinary action against an employee and turns out to be an BS action, the officer gets the disciplinary action whit out pay for his decision. That cuts the grievances and arbitration fees.
Don’t ask an employee to eat beans while you eat steak.
Good leaders leads by example, not by words.
Thats the longest post in cpc comment section history. Congratulations!
tl:dr
Some will support cupw when you can have an employee day after day swipe for his friend with his friend ‘s card finally gets caught fired but gets job back.I saw when he was caught
Exactly, CUPW is only used by the repeat offenders because the workers don’t need them.. Trouble makers is the only use for CUPW
It looks to me like the majority of people posting are for the vote or to decertify the union. Why don’t we all walk out. Stage a protest and demand union leadership step down immediately, and accept the latest offer from CPC? This will get their attention and this will give an honorable name and the respect of the public to our Union once again. Who is with me?
A lot of us would follow but because we unionized I don’t think we can wildcat t CUPW.. the only thing we can do is contact the minister and push for bill 108.1 to vote on the offer by CPC..
The vocal minority don’t represent the majority. I’m perfectly happy with the NEB. They haven’t rolled over and accepted CPs demand or sold us out. I don’t want to vote on this garbage offer and want our NEB to continue fighting for better for all of us. CP is riding the Kaplan report like it’s gospel. It’s pretty pathetic at this point considering how flawed the report is.
Agree 100%
Well then, you can refuse to vote. The great majority of workers do want to vote. We hope the Minister makes it happen soon.
And you will be the first to complain, against the union, when you realize what you voted for.
The Kaplan report attacks the workers. Nothing in there talks about the salary, bonuses and advantages in management.
There fat in there, let’s cut there first.
Good leaders leads by example, not behind a report.
I guess you missed the memo that upper management has just been reduced by 20% and all management salary bands have been frozen for more than 10 years. With low salary, compared to the equivalent job and education needed in the private sector, and no pension, management staff are jumping the sinking ship.
Anonymous below, the 20% cuts proved that upper management was useless. Salary frozen for ten years, good start, I want to see cuts.
Rats leaving the sinking ship demonstrates to me they were there for the salary advantage not for the good of CPC.
I had interaction with some upper management and they were useless, sorry, they were grifters.
Ironic you seem to believe the vocal minority are those who dont support the neb. I would suggest that the vocal minority for the past 30 years have been out of touch cupw exs and the neb. The majority of due paying members are now speaking out.
You’re on your own!
Great idea!! We have to stand together against CUPW!!
I suspect living in a communist country is like working at Canada Post. Everyone is scared to talk openly and everyone lies about everything.
Exactly !! Workers are quiet. I think the next contract will come with massive restructuring. There will be layoffs since volume continues to decline. Thanks to CUPW companies are increasingly digitizing letter mail.
Thank the orange man down south in large part for normalizing lying about and denying everything. Respectful,honest and civilized behavior is sorely missed at all levels especially in this fiasco of a negotiations
Give me a break the Orange dude has no relevance to our negotiations or our country.If you believe the elbows up slogans your being played.Our own government needs a overhaul they are all useless .
I’ll repeat slower so you might grasp better, Respectful,honest and civilized behavior are qualities that are sorely missed at all levels especially in this fiasco of a negotiation. As the word skeptical in your moniker implies “doubting that something is true or useful” try to widen your horizons and consider that those qualities might actually go a long way to resolving all this if everyone adhered to them
There is no speed in your text .Yes I can read it quite well . You referenced the orange dude for normalizing lying and denying .Humans have been doing it for along time.Don’t give the orange dude any opportunity for any credit it gets tiresome. As for political correctness respect ,honesty and civilized behaviour . Who says the negotiating parties are behaving that way .I would say they are both stubborn, demanding ,and irresponsible and lacking any intuition of the situation they have created. As for your sarcasm my horizons are wide enough but thinning due to what is going on .At this point civility will not make a difference when both parties don’t have a capacity to listen and reason and come to any sort of agreement .In my opinion.
Bro you have major TDS blaming Trump for CUPW’s stall tactics. Did you know CUPW supports Communist party of Canada..? Why is the union involved in political radical activities..? Just because you voted liberal and your elbows up turned into bent over us no reason to blame Trump.. Liberal D rider.. Stay on point instead of how Trump lives rent Free in your head.. CUPW must be held accountable..
Wow! Wasn’t blaming him. Only referenced normalizing lying and denying as big reasons why we are where we are on so many levels Political affiliations are irrelevant to this subject as is anything your limited grasp allows you
If the Minister allows a vote on Canada Post’s offer, the ballots will be secret. Then we will know what the majority of CUPW members actually think. Let’s hope it happens ASAP.
Yes Yes Yes.. CUPW can’t cheat out votes..
Well if all these rollbacks have to happen on group 2…maybe we should be dividing the letter carriers from the plant workers contractwise.
As in other companies..delivery pays more than inside workers asit is worth more.
A very constructive suggestion. Incredible that inside and outside earn the same and in same union when everywhere else its two separate entities. I’m well aware we had LCUC and wish it stayed that way. I dont agree being forced to join with rsmc either. Too many special interests diluting LC needs and wants
Who do you think gets the mail and parcels ready for the LCs…One group is no better than the other so the glorified paper boys need to get off their high horses and work 8 hours instead of 5! Those days are over
I’ve learned so much watching the trials and tribulations of cupw and cpc that I never realized how truly intelligent I really am until I watched these two groups.
I’ve never written a comment before so i hope I don’t come across as a Homer Flintstone. Oh wait Cpc and Cupw have that market cornered.
Good one Barnie Rubble! Maybe the Union will come out of the Stone Age!😂😂😂
Out of 5500 union members 400 anonymous persons.
Are you employees, managers?
Are you the same 50 managers or employees writing things against our union?
Are you FedEx employees or UPS drivers?
So basically nothing written here should be believed.
This infopost page is only here to divide the members to conquer them.
If you can’t identify yourself, don’t write anything.
Or maybe you don’t write anything, why should anyone say who they are if CUPW does NOT want to give us a forum to speak, save your suggestions and comments for CUPW as they ignore you and all of us who wish to speak freely but are judged for standing up for ourselves by CUPW.. CUPW will never start a forum for free speech as they will find out the membership wants them gone..
You have free speech!
It called monthly meetings with your local executive
You can talk with your local executive or shop stuarts anytime.
You can vote them out…
This infopost page is for division not free speech.
Sorry anonymous, you are wrong!
Most good workers want avoid the union and all their activities as muchbas possible. That’s part of the problem. CUPW attracts the laziest, worst workers from any depot or plant. Most become stewards or reps to avoid doing actual work.
Then vote them out.
You are the lazy one, not going to meeting, complaining about what going on, only behind your anonymous wall.
The union is you, when you participate.
Otherwise…..
What a load of BS.
If I don’t agree with management or you I must shut up?
You want the truth, group two with your straight all the time have created this mess. Volume has been going down since the 1980 and you just ran faster; no breaks, using your personal vehicle as a relay box, never take your diner break, must finish before noon and eat at home. Got to finish before the 3:00 pm traffic rush hour and get home to cook supper.
I met a retired mailman and he’s waiting for his hip replacement, his knees are always inflamed. Tendinitis and bursitis are his permanent friend. He’s only 64, and now he can’t enjoy his pension. That is the future for many of you.
Now management wants you to do dynamic delivery and you agree because you will just run even faster. It’s easy to blame the union behind a computer. Participate in monthly meetings, if you want change!
This infopost is to divide and you just prove it, how’s my CUPW forum now?
The truth is not BS!
I know it’s hard to accept the facts, the truth is you never participated in a meeting, you only complained.
My local executive are not in agreement with what went on last year; why the National executive didn’t start with OT ban then rotating strike?
Head’s will roll for that decision. You can make sure that it happens, if you participate in meetings.
The only way to get a true opunion of CUPW workers is by holding a vote. Then we’ll know what the silent majority want.
Don’t be silent participate in the meetings, if you are a member.
We can’t use our real names because of reprisals from either side. Corporation could fire some of us depending on our tone or criticism .As for the union they just won’t defend us if needed.
Then why this infopost page? To divide.
Why are you here?
Go a make a CUPW forum if you think this place undermines CUPW’s bargaining powers.
If I don’t agree with management or you I must shut up?
You want the truth, group two with your straight all the time have created this mess. Volume has been going down since the 1980 and you just ran faster; no breaks, using your personal vehicle as a relay box, never take your diner break, must finish before noon and eat at home. Got to finish before the 3:00 pm traffic rush hour and get home to cook supper.
I met a retired mailman and he’s waiting for his hip replacement, his knees are always inflamed. Tendinitis and bursitis are his permanent friend. He’s only 64, and now he can’t enjoy his pension. That is the future for many of you.
Now management wants you to do dynamic delivery and you agree because you will just run even faster. It’s easy to blame the union behind a computer. Participate in monthly meetings, if you want change!
This infopost is to divide and you just prove it, how’s my CUPW forum now?
Why not ask the company .If some of the feedback gets back through to them and turns on a few lightbulbs then it’s a plus for the workers. CUPW Facebook is heavily moderated. Union has to accept some constructive criticism as well as company .
You cry a lot, you must be part of the NEB, go make a forum for members so we can blast you there..
No, you go to a meeting and speak. Hiding behind a computer with the persona anonymous because you can’t stand up?
This place is filled with trolls. CP has let this become a mess by letting just anyone comment with anonymity.
Except for you of course. Your comments are productive and valuable. Everyone who is annoyed with CUPW is just a troll. Why don’t we vote on Canada Post’s offer and find out what the majority actually want?
You want to vote, go to a meeting, if you are a member.
Why do you think CPC made this page?
Anyone’s who hides behind the name anonymous should never complain or comment.
Stand up get out of the darkness and speak with your name.
You actually think the union will let you speak..? Did you know they give a time limit to speak and don’t answer any questions… So before you just say go vote them out, why isn’t there already term limits in place.. Why you ask, because they can’t be voted out, they maintain status quo. I was at a meeting where the membership was upset and the president walked out. CUPW doesn’t want to hear us speak or we would’ve been given time to talk.. This is why we cannot vote, Communism is their agendas and control, typical narcissists..
I can’t reply to anonymous under, so, you say you were at a meeting, were the president walk out, go to the election meeting and vote him out.
You talk about term limits, good idea, get that in your local constitution. The more members that participate in the union, the more it resembles the membership.
You are the only one that can change that, by participating in every meeting. I read your comments and understand what you are saying.
Change starts by the membership being vocal and present.
If what you say is what the majority says and wants act.
Did you ever think of running for the executive?
We do vote when required. What do we have to do put a motion to vote on a vote at the local level hoping National will maybe consider.
Yeah, an imposed CUPW approach Vote YES ot Vote NO for the silenced, no opinion and free speech, members community. Hide information from members (e.g. janitors negotiating proposals) just to get the strike mandate vote..
Again participate in the local meeting and stop hiding behind a fake persona. You refuse to speak but you’re willing to write in this divisive infopost page. You are the only one who refused to participate if you are really an employee anonymous.
I am a employee, I am a CUPW member, and I say CUPW is wrong! They’re lining their pockets with our dues they don’t care about members just how much they collect from us, and they’re afraid of a vote because they know we’ll speak against them ( you) . Enough is enough!! They’ve dragged this out long enough!!! Yes we’re still working and still getting paid, but for how long??? There’s NO work, it can’t continue like this for much longer before we all lose our jobs. Then what will you do CUPW?? No more dues that means you’re gone too!!!! Let’s get this over with already!!! Let us vote, if you’re so confident that only a minority will accept, let us vote and prove you wrong. That’s what you’re afraid of!!!
I work full-time at Canada Post. I get a pretty good wage. Benefits are Defined Pension. Dental,eyes and drug benefits. Night shift premium,and night workers leave .And no job evaluation. Other companies don’t give anything close to the fore mentioned. I am very very grateful. Go work somewhere else and then tell me how bad it is at Canada Post.
Who do you think got you all those advantage?
Thank you CUPW!
Yes solidarity for ever stand with the union
Even when they’re completely wrong? Got it.
The advantage you have today were won by strikes. So our past actions were wrong, got it.
Stand back and do nothing now. Let CPC claw back everything we worked for. How do you think all those things came to be? We fought every contact for them and now we fight every contract to keep them. It is wise to be grateful. Now focus that gratitude at your brothers and sisters. CPC would take it all away and privatize at the drop of a hat.
Just shows you how good of a job our leadership has done at CUPW over the years. Big thanks to the NEB and everyone involved in fighting for better wages, benefits, and working conditions.
I want to start my own postal service company. I wanna use the intellect of cpc and cupw. How long will it be before I go bankrupt?
2 weeks! Lol
Brilliant. Love the pun.you are well educated.
CPC final offer is pretty decent, with the exception of the eventual taking away the flyer bonus . But again, CUPW doesn’t seem interested in fighting for flyer bonus, they seem more concerned with the taking away the 5min wash up time then that!
I think it’s time to decertify CUPW, they are not listening to those who pay them!
Also is there a way for anyone to just quit being a CUPW member and still work for CP?
Unfortunately no, were stuck with this useless union unless we Decertify them.. Hopefully everyone comes together to remove CUPW once and for all..
Instead of paying your dues, you can make them a charitable donation. I’m the only thing you know is they would consider you a member in bad standing
Bahaha Thanks for the laugh. The last offer is garbage.
CUWP would never propose to lessen the burden of union dues
Mr. and Mrs. Bare Minimum, what are you going to do now?
Job or no Job
Milking or no Milking
What you going to do?
CUPW and its leadership will be the death of Canada Post. The Corporation will dissolve and you will all be replaced by new employees ready to gladly accept the offer in place. What other company offers this many paid days off??? All to work half a day! The union leadership is holding employees hostage. Accept the offer and go back to work.
Management must have decreed all supervisors to forums and start spreading propaganda rhetoric on the double!
I agree then the NEB will get their CPC pension and probably a hefty amount of $$$ from CUPW and the rest of us will get zippo🙄All for a 1970s “cause”
We can only hope and expect that the Minister allows workers a chance to vote on Canada Post’s offer. CUPW will never be reasonable and will never compromise. The government will soon lose patience with our union’s childish behavior. The company is losing business every day and workers are feeling stressed due to this uncertainty. We demand a vote!
You make it seem as if cpc are the only adults in the room. How quickly and conveniently you forget to mention who mismanaged and blew all the money the last 7 years. There was another contract renewal within that time frame and no mention of anything at that time but now the sky is falling because bot enough money to keep voting themselves bonuses! Hypocrites all of them
Let’s find out what the majority of members think in a democratic way. Hold a vote on Canada Post’s offer ASAP and see if reasonable, intelligent workers or CUPW groupies win. We kmow the union is terrified and will do anything to prevent this.
Who exactly is we? How many do you actually represent? Big talk from an anonymous post who would label anyone who is pro union unreasonable or unintelligent. If youre not management as I suspect that you are, but are truly an employee dont overlook that everything you enjoy as said employee is thanks to union representation which is why you joined in the first place and keeps you here. So stop forcing your myopic views as if you know better than everyone while still gorging at the trough
I agree, the union supporters will be crying when they lose their jobs.. Let’s vote yes and secure our jobs and the future of this company… CUPW has been destroying the post office and the membership, time for them to go as well..
Nobody wants to lose their Canada Post job whether pro union or not .The harsh reality is how is the union going save job loss when company may be forced to downsize its workforce.Due to financial loss and Government will not have capacity to bail it out.
Guess what NEB? We’re not your radical brained troops. You can’t mobilize us into a fight that we don’t agree with…it’s not going to happen this time. You’ll salvage some respect by making concessions and ending this standoff.
Wrong. NEB is doing a fine job even though they have to fight for cowards like you.
Its about time to decertify CUPW.
If you decertify what is your replacement . It’s a process to decertify and takes time .
I’m voting YES on CPC Canada Labour Code 108.1 because it’s about ensuring fairness, accountability, and balance in unionized workplaces. This section strengthens the right of workers to have transparency on how their mandatory union dues are spent—especially when it comes to non-core activities like political lobbying or social causes that may not represent every member’s values.
Workers shouldn’t be forced to fund political agendas they don’t agree with. 108.1 gives employees more choice and control, without undermining the core functions of unions like collective bargaining and workplace representation. It’s a reasonable measure that promotes individual freedom, financial transparency, and respect for diverse viewpoints within the workforce.
This isn’t anti-union—it’s pro-worker
That’s awesome, and it should be pushed.. We have rights and the union also spends our dues recklessly on political propaganda that is not relevant to the membership and against some cultural beliefs of the members.. We’re their boss, they’re not ours..
Let’s push 108.1 NOW…
Well said
Push 108.1! My family will go homeless if we go strike again. I don’t want to see my family go off the street. CUPW don’t give a fck if members go bankrupt. They only live with their personal agendas.
I’d like to apply to the NEB, I have experience in negotiations but won’t use them as I’m paid to stall and go on trips and lie to the membership, while people are losing their jobs and claim we won’t lose.. 😂😂 Hey Jan you going to show your face or just tell your Stewarts to tell everyone vote No..?? Shop Stewart in my facility telling people if we vote, Vote NO, I told him.. I’m voting Yes…
I dare CUPW to create a forum for us to vent.. Afraid they will be kicked to the curb. People complain about management getting bonuses but not about our union president doing the same. Ever wonder why the union pulls in $6+ million a month and is broke .? Ask for financials..
Minister Hajdu you’re going to have to help these people figure out the terms for arbitration, they seriously cannot accomplish anything, it’s beyond ridiculous. Each side accuses the other of being the problem. Here’s some news: you are both the problem. Stop acting like whiny toddlers and just get this over with
When entitled authoritarian cpc execs stop acting like babies throwing their toys out of their pram maybe we can get down to business
The IIC report is just one point of reference. Should CUPW allow it to be included, probably, since that is what the minister indicated in an earlier post/directive. But it’s not the only document that provides a frame of reference and isn’t the end all be all and CUPW will never agree to that. Both sides should just draft their own frame of reference and give them to the arbitrator who can use both to get a “balanced” overall. These people can’t agree on if the sky is blue, they’ll never agree on terms either
Too many woke militants in CUPW are ruining it for the rest of us who want to vote.
As a letter carrier, I know our days of working a comfy position is over. SSD is here to stay.
We can’t expect to be funded by the government or raise stamp prices just for the sake of paying for many people who work 4 hours for 8 hours pay.
Amazon drivers make around ~$19, many of us make a little over $30.
They work until 11 pm and weekends. It makes us look like overpaid paper boys.
I have had low volume since all this job action back in November. I miss those days where I could get OT. It made a big difference on my paycheck.
CUPW has not done any favours for any of us for putting out a OT ban. I wish we had a union who didn’t waste union dues on social causes that has nothing to do with my job.
Just let us vote now and save money paying for lawyers and arbitrators.
Help bringing back the customers by assuring them we can still do our jobs better than any gig worker or Amazon driver.
We need Teamsters, they respect the membership and don’t stall over 2.5years with negotiations. This shows how corrupt CUPW truly is and should be charged by the labour board for illegal practices and falsifying information to the members.. We need Teamsters..!!
Teamsters yah not .Have you ever been in Teamsters. They have their share of useless too.
They know how to negotiate, but nice try making up stuff.. We would never have work stoppages, and they would prevent the hiring of trouble makers and useless employees..
You want to work for Amazon go ahead .You might want to ask a Purolator driver what they make they do well since Canada Post owns Purolator.As for OT it is a bonus when required. Not a guarantee for a bigger pay cheque so it should not be relied on . As for the woke militants you will have to change that in education .It starts when they are young .But also change what our union teaches its members in activism . As for the OT ban it should have been implemented before our strike action and after we returned to work .Not 5 months later when volumes are down .Union fumbled that one .
Funny how the Industrial Inquiry Commission report said nothing about the bloated CEO salaries, or the fact that they still get their bonuses despite losing money. Make some cuts at the top, not to services or employee pensions 🙄
I wasn’t surprised at all. CP came spewing their lies and Kaplan bought it.
Worked for cpost and a competitor at same time.Lower wages and no defined pension at competitor but everyone got the job done.In addition there was always recurrent training which was mandatory and kept up to date also annual evaluations tied to wage increase.Competitor going strong .What I am saying is you guys have nothing to complain about.I saw it from both ends why do you think you are special? Same duties and you are let go or you quit if you don’t perform
Competition gets no paid lunch and you guys are fighting for five min wash up which you abuse by leaving five minutes before five minutes
Why these a handful union executives are working like dictators and are not listening to 55 thousands union members who have been asking for the votes on the final global offer from CPC.
So please let the union members vote on the final offer and it would be a real democracy. Only a few union executives should not be allowed and have no right to take a decision on behalf of 55,000 members specially when big majority is in favour of finalizing the deal.
Voting by the members is the only option.
No thanks. Offer is garbage and NEB is doing exactly what they were elected to do. They haven’t given in to CPs demands of concessions and are fighting to improve our wages, benefits, and working conditions. I appreciate their efforts and fully support them.
Don’t know why the union keeps saying a forced vote when majority of members want to vote on last offer are they just trying to save face knowing that majority of membership has lost faith in them
Our wages are super good, benefits pretty awesome, pension is great.
CPC’s offer more than generous concidering our situation.
Why are we still doing this ?
Next step CPC files for bankruptcy and we are all out of a job, is that what we want?
If we go down, they all go down
Speak for yourself, management will all have jobs tomorrow, most of us will have to be waiting months before getting another job in this economy
Half the management can’t even do this job let alone find another.
Ok so what is the next move. Company said no to arbitration. Union has not responded to company’s vote proposal . So who is going to get a BOOT to get moving. Let’s see who drops the ball on this next round if inaction.
but
that was Canada Post final offer…
lol
Fire drill today at cpc.I could physically see 11 supervisors, 3 superintendents, and a manager. I am sure there was a few hidden in the crowd or to far from me to see. . I estimated about 70 – 100
employees. Huh. No money?
Hadju should of forced a vote..neither party is giving in so let the offers be voted on…how ridiculous are the next contract talks going to be if I had 5 years of service left with Canada post I’d be worried about keeping my job..
Hadju should of forced a vote..neither party is giving in so let the offers be voted on…
She still can, and may do so very soon. It’s clear that CUPW will not compromise or negotiate. The Kaplan report clearly showed changes are required. The government’s patience will not be infinite.
Cupw should reinstated overtime as a show of good faith not to the corporation but to the public who continue to send letters and parcels….shame on cupw and canada post…I am a unhappy cupw member…
Vote, vote, vote. Ok let’s vote: NO
I second!
We’re voting YES, you can Vote No and go find a new job..
Let’s vote yes and end this uncertainty.
Canada Post and CUPW must end this self – immolation of our jobs.
They already turned away most of our customers will probably never get back.
Let us vote! Most of us will vote YES, FACT!
You don’t speak for all of us. FACT!
Found the management schill. No, we won’t vote yes. We aren’t going to vote on this garbage offer at all. Managements failure to actually manage this company is why we are where we are. Fire the board and we’ll try negotiations again.
If you’re so sure of a NO vote then why is CUPW scared to have one??
It’s because YES would likely win and that thankfully would be the end of CUPW and its slacker support group!
CPC should deliver letters not parcels, leave parcel service to private industry that a crown corporation shouldn’t compete with. Mail should only be directed to an individual or corporation, no mass mailers to “all”. Corporate mail should be weekly and private residence mail should be bi-weekly, they don’t collect my garbage daily so why deliver the mail daily. A stamp should cost $5 or more and corporations should be able to charge you on a bill if you demand paper copies when email is available. Mail should not be a profit centre, it should be a service provided to the citizens and those who use it should pay for it.
Your take sounds completely non-sensical. Are you a CUPW exec or maybe even on the negotiating commitee? No wonder our union can’t get a deal done.
I don’t buy groceries every day, so the grocery stores should only be open once every two weeks.
it’s reasons like these that you should not make any comments in threads. Look forward to not seeing you in these threads any longer, thanks Edmonton Guy…. from Calgary Guy
The mail business is a dying breed, parcels is the future and the savior for the Post office, and the union should stop interfering with delivery. Those bozos in CUPW and the NEB don’t deliver mail or parcels just complain like they do, to bamboozle the membership to support them..
good ideas. crown corporation should be dissolved and return canada post to govt administration, sell off parcels.
Do you pay for CFIA inspectors when you buy meat? How about when you go to service Canada? Do you pay them when you need a SIN or EI? Of course not. Not only should Canada post be a service instead of a company, it should stay available for daily service. Canada post is cheaper than all other national couriers. Small businesses rely on Canada post to survive.
Such irrefutable logic only confuses cpc management.
got only 1 question when will this madness end.
When management gets serious about negotiating.
When Canadians elect intelligent Politicians if there are any available to do the job in this country .As for the rest of the country of citizens lay off the recreational stimulants and get a brain .
When the union stops this BS stalling tactic and demanding things the membership didn’t ask for. Maybe you should read the demands before you look foolish blaming the corporation. Here’s a couple for you Einstein.. CUPW demanding corporation pay for snow tires for RSMCS, CUPW wants Gender Affirming benefits, Fertility Aid Benefits that would both cost in the 10’s to 100’s of thousands to the corporation. No signing Bonus demand (no surprise) I can go on but because you’re brainwashed by y the useless union that stalled negotiations for 2.5years, goes to Cuba in the middle of negotiations and constant trips to Niagara falls getting drunk on our dime then you should be held accountable.. Anything else I will post to make you look irrelevant over and over
“The struggle continues “… remember that’s the slogan:)
My reply to the union slogan winning isn’t everything but losing does suck .If you want to victimize everyone you will lose and why struggle for life when you don’t have to .
when the $$$$ runs out!
How about except that the letter carrier model is a joke and an obsolete position… get a real job become an RSMC.
When I grow up I want to be an rsmc, said no one ever!
Yes because you actually have to WORK in this position. Not something union people are interested in, only being paid for hours you don’t work and throwing a tantrum when you get called on it. Like I said grow up.
True, I thought RSMCs were just people who couldn’t het hired as letter carriers.
You can’t be serious, they’ll be coming for you. The done in 4 hours will be over. It’s called RESTRUCTURE.
You admit you simply don’t want to work 8 hours but think you ought to be paid for 8 and see nothing wrong with that? In my book that’s called theft.
I know my RSMC’s never do 8 hours, they are in a 8:30 and back before noon right now. They don’t seem to see the problem. As far as the letter carrier comment, I can say I am confident that none of my RSMC’s are capable of doing that job. They would never be able to walk a route. No I am not in your union but this is just so maddening, I have to work my full shift and this is going down hill fast. The customer have no confidence in us and I don’t blame them. Before anyone says why are you making a comment, It is because this is affecting us all. Get this done!
Pretty sure it is the union asking for 8 hour routes… and since when is an 8 hour day a big deal?
If you only want to work 4 hours, then part time flex shouldn’t be an issue… or is it the not getting paid for 8 hours while many others have no choice but to do OT at regular wage or for free, that you have an issue with?
They can restructure but if they cut payroll then it doesn’t solve anything
How about you ACCEPT that droping out of grade two not the greatest idea
Someone needs to teach these two sides what negotiating is and how to be successful at it.
Let your members vote!
We’ll vote when there’s an offer worth voting on. Management just wants to keep delaying and deflecting instead of negotiating.
Exactly!!!
No, I’m ready to vote right now thanks. Of course the offer isn’t perfect, but it is reasonable. Either way, it’s the government’s decision, not CUPWs.
Not only is it not perfect it’s not even worth voting on
It’s not a reasonable offer for letter carriers and this feels more like a dictatorship than negotiating.
This!
$35 top rate not good enough for you? Defined pension and benefits? If you don’t like your job go find another one. But to make as much as a tradesman without any formal education and some silly cupw members like yourself, put their noses up at that, is appalling. While people all around us are losing their jobs because of economic uncertainty and people are stomping their feet saying “it’s not good enough”. Get a grip and hop on indeed. Good luck out there hahaha
I COULD NOT AGREE MORE!! who do we think we are?? zero special skills or education required. the workload has dropped SIGNIFICANTLY. we are paid so well for what we actually do. most of us at home by noon or shortly after. wake up people.
A typical soup comment if ever there was one
How do you know who has “an education” or not?
education specific to being a mail carrier?? you answered your own question.
$35 ????? Most I work with just barely cracked the $30 barrier. And I mean just….ohhhh youre probably purolator. The CPC golden boys
The membership wants to vote on offers and we’re not making $35 unless you’re a technician making $40.. the union is holding everyone hostage while we want to work. So before you create make believe scenarios know the facts.The union caused the 5 weeks of strikes, the union is asking for gender Affirming benefits again.. the union is lying to everyone and they’re the most embarrassing bunch of no professionals on the media, read the comments. Canada should hate the union, not the workers.. We want to work and Vote..!!!
Cupw is afraid of a vote because they realize members will vote yes to the proposal and they’ll look stupider then they already do. Stop holding members hostage and let us have our say. That’s why we pay you the big bucks!!!
I agree 100%
Yes let the members vote!! While all this so called negotiation is taking place, there is no mail these days!!!!
How about a cheque for damages since our strike got cut off unconstitutionally…again. Repay us our wages for the five wasted weeks that we were out. Plus damages for mental anguish, hardship and loss. The government pulled the rug out from under our feet illegally. Why were we not informed that we can only do half strikes? This arbitration should definitely include compensation for the above mentioned attacks the members have suffered.
Go after the union, CPC pays your bills and CUPW put us on strike.. CUPW is lying to everyone, stop blaming CPC. You voted to strike and that’s the consequences, it’s on you for lost wages.. I voted NO to strike because I knew union would do this BS again..
OK soup! 😂
Ok CUPW simp.. cope harder when you look for another job because union feeds you lies, you’re probably a useless inside worker who is constantly in trouble relying on the union while the rest of us work and appreciate our job, bozo…
And there you have it. Irrefutable proof of how cpc truly thinks of and treats all its employees.
The rules are clearly set once the money runs out!
Both cupw and cpc are doing exactly what they want. Delaying any agreement and or binding arbitration. Causing uncertainty to its workers and love it. If you are stupid to let this type of satanic manipulation get to you,you deserve everything you get. I’m not that stupid.
Working for this company you are not any smarter than the rest of us
Union trying to force Arbitration, which no union should ever push for, we should be allowed to vote, not arbitration which will get us less..
CUPW don’t you understand that the longer this madness and bs goes on, the closer everyone is to losing their jobs? Which means no more dues for you, which means no more all expense paid vacations for you? Or do you really care? No I don’t think you do!!!
What has changed from the time Canada Post declared Parcels are Labour and real estate intensive ( In other words parcels can’t be cash flow positive) TO Parcels are the solution. When I was delivering 80 parcels/ day they where losing money.
Both CP and CUPW get us to the same place.
80 parcels a day is a moderate Monday. In excess of 120 is the only time I’ve ever heard my supe say it was a heavy day.
No way you have ever done a letter carrier job, you’re some useless union rep blaming everyone else for your life failures.. soup has been served..
What seems to be needed is major reform thru legislation that forces CPC and the Union to use a far better negotiation process. When CPC brings to the table their “final” offer, then the union should be required to present that offer to their membership for a vote. It should be up to the members to decide that offer, not the union.
Nope. Union is the sole bargaining representative for it’s members. They will decide when an offer will go to vote. If you don’t like the way it has been for decades, don’t work for a union. Go out there and see if you can find better employment, rather than trying to subvert the unions for your own benefit.
I agree ….first ones to whine about it know they would never make it outside of the union.
They are also the first run to the union for help after this is all done.
Really? The only ones that the union helps are the lazy, whining, trouble making members. Not the hard working members that may have real issues.
You’re rotally wrong. If the Minister decides to allow a vote in the offer, it will happen. It’s totally the government’s decision, not CUPWs. If the vote happens, then we’ll actually get a democratic decision by the members.
2 signed contracts since 1965, sure buddy lots of success CUPW has.. What a joke thinking the union cares about it’s members
And you believe management has better intentions for its employees? 🤣
Canada Post pays you, and all of it’s employees. We work for Canada Post. We pay CUPW over $1200 a year. They’re supposed to work for us. That’s the difference and hope that the concept isn’t too hard for you to understand.
Are you still living in the 70’s. Definitely seems that CUPW is. Maybe it time to take the blinders off and the see what is happening in the real world.
Except that you don’t work for the union. You work for Canada Post. It is the company that pays you, and in turn, you pay the union. If I want to take it further, it is the customer that pays you, even though nowadays the government stepped in to subsidize your wages to the tune of $1 billion. Otherwise, your check would have bounced. Of course, this is an inconvenient truth for you and your union.
Truth, well said..
CUPW wants the post office to buy snow tires for the RSMCS, they want fertility Aid Benefits which will cost in the thousands, Gender Affirming benefits that can cost in the 100’s of thousands, want high seniority workers to get additional benefits over the existing membership. How about NO to Fertility and Gender Affirming benefits, How about NO to snow tires to RSMCS, how about NO to the high seniority members ( it would be better for them to leave so new people can get a job) How about stop crying over the 5 minute wash time, and how about no to your demanding full timers delivering parcels on the weekend.. Let the part timers work and get the hours delivering parcels and let us VOTE.. Enough is enough CUPW we lost 5 weeks of pay because of your nonsense, we don’t need to lose anymore. We’ve had enough of your games, we want to work, and if you don’t want to work…leave we don’t need any of you.. CUPW must be removed, no more opportunities to screw up the membership.. Let us vote CPC, the union is not for us, but against us all…
Wow, couldn’t have said it better myself!!!! Absolutely, 100%, agree!!! Will they hear us?? Let’s hope so and get this done!! May I add, when this is all said and done, IF, we are still stuck with CUPW, remember you must go out and vote next time around and make sure our voices are heard!!!
Wow. I couldn’t have said it if I was a supervisor myself. What tripe. To you snow tires are a waste of money. Next breath you will say to “make it home safe”. Any perk that can be removed by force you believe should be removed. That is forward bargaining to you. We broke so many parcel delivery records over the last decade that they stopped congratulating us for them eventually. All those years of profit that a service company developed always gets forgotten during negotiations. Where is all that money now? An audit should be the governments next step.
Ok soup
LOL 😂
Wow. How about go work non union where u can sit on your boss’s lap all day inhaling golf balls through a garden hose and see if you can afford to work at canada post and eat food and pay rent all at the same time. Maybe cpc will appreciate your efforts and voluntarily give you what you deserve for the work you do. Even though they won’t now with a union. If you didn’t vote you have no right to complain about anything.
I fully agree. CUPW always makes unreasonable demands. That’s why they can never settle a contract. They’ve literally settled two contracts since 1965. That must be the worst record of any union in Canada. Tell me if I’m wrong. If CUPW had the support of the membership now, they wouldn’t be so afraid of a vote. Let’s hope the Minister calls the vote so we can end this nonsense.
Like management has ever been reasonable? But of course a soup like you holds management blameless for the mess Canada Post is in.
Of course, anyone who disagrees with CUPWs idiotic strategies must be a ‘soup’. Let’s hope the Minister enables the vote, so we can find out exactly how many of us are reasonable, and how many are CUPW groupies.
It’s the members that vote on the demands after they are compiled.If the members don’t like the demands than go to a meeting and vote no .Get the union to be realistic and negotiate demands that are obtainable.
You should perhaps look elsewhere yourself. Canada post is a sinking ship at this point. Vote or no vote ? Besides life as a your full timer is going to be gone regardless. Every other day delivery. Everyone including inside workers ? Part time for all is the future……CUPW demands are total nonsense agreed Look at older staff. lol Cpc hires old so age doesn’t mean. Retirement close. No legacy cost. They’ve been doing it for years. Go look at seniority list ?
100%
I’m a retired postal employee and here’s my honest opinion. Canada Post is changing no doubt about that. CPC was actually making money due to large volume of lettermails way back when. Now times are changing with new technology and less lettermails. If CPC and its employees are to survive they need to accept the reality of future and make drastic changes. It’s difficult to accept reality but it is needed. I don’t trust corporation but union needs to bend a little in order to survive. CPC is also at fault for hiring useless CEOs and wasting, spending money on restructuring of lettermails when it was not needed back in the 2000s i.e. new LSM, BCS machines…should have known back then lettermails were declining
Stay retired, your way of thinking is in the past, stop blaming the corporation because the union told you so..
Spoken like a true soup
what’s a soup, sounds like you are trying to be insulting and derogatory. I thought everybody was entitled to an opinion,not just entitled
As opposed to your authoritarian way of thinking that everything is the union’s fault? Management has immense leeway on how to pivot and run their corporation. They are ultimately responsible for the results. But yet you still hold them blameless.
odd you don’t trust the corporation that is paying your pension…just saying
CPC doesn’t pay CUPW member’s pensions. They contribute some to a segregated fund, the rest is paid by the member. It is then invested and pays out once the member retires. This is a good thing, because I wouldn’t want CPC management running a pension fund like they have run the corporation into the ground!
Cpc has been on a pension holiday for years.
Which is also the unions fault doing nothing about it
The whole board of directors and executive has got to go.
In what other workplace do you get rewarded for putting your company on the brink of insolvency?
That goes for the union being broke during the strike with members cheques bouncing for NSF.. CUPW all levels must go
Spreading misinformation again soup? NSF cheques were a typo error. They were corrected and striking members got their pay. At least the union corrects its errors. CPC management just denies it and carries on making the same mistakes over and over again. That’s why Canada Post is going bankrupt.
Perhaps if the members understood that the RSMC model is superior and that implementing it would create a company infrastructure and delivery model that CANNOT be matched by other companies, we would be in a different situation entirely.
Rural delivery is a money looser. If it wasn’t for the government mandate to do it, it would have been dropped decades ago. This is why no for profit business, like UPS and Fedex, does it. They hand off to Canada Post for final delivery.
Is that why the corporation wants the model for everyone?
If members looked at the mathematical aspects or the full potential of this model, they would understand that including CMBs in the infrastructure would expand the capacity of parcels that can be delivered to a level that cannot be matched by any other company, while maintaining door services where demand is present and expand into parcel pickups. But math isn’t really a union thing.
Know what’s in the final global offer
https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/our-company/news-and-media/corporate-news/negotiations-hub.page?ecid=murl_jl_170
There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of how modern business operates. Companies like Amazon have developed their own delivery systems precisely because they can operate more efficiently, offering faster and cheaper services. In contrast, Canada Post continues to struggle with high costs and limited delivery timelines, which has made it increasingly uncompetitive.
CUPW pushing for additional compensation and benefits in this context only worsens the situation. As the IIC has noted, the current model is unsustainable. Continuing this path not only jeopardizes the viability of Canada Post but also risks accelerating the push toward privatization.
Should privatization occur, the very benefits CUPW is fighting to protect—such as wages, pensions, weekday schedules, and health and safety standards—could be lost. The reality is that independent delivery businesses are thriving precisely because they offer more flexibility and cost-effectiveness. If CUPW doesn’t recognize these market forces, they may inadvertently be contributing to the erosion of the very institution they aim to protect.
That is true. CUPW knows precisely zero about business or the Canadian economy. They want the government to change our mandate to a ‘service model’ with a bottomless budget. But guess what, that’s not going to happen. I wish our union would enter reality.
Well said. The union had its merits back in a different era. Now it is the anchor on the ankle of CPC trying to stay afloat
I will agree CUPW did some good in the 70s 80s and 90s…but WE ARE NOT THERE anymore…They need to stop thinking they are!
Yeah Amazon is a great model to follow. They make their money of the goods sold, not the delivery portion. Then they pay their drivers just above minimum wage with zero benefits and create conditions where drivers have to alleviate their bladder in bottles and defecate in totes. Can’t believe you even brought up a company like Amazon.
Amazon drivers make an average of $20/hour starting and get standard medical and dental.
You are referencing an issue during covid when public bathrooms were closed; if you have ever driven for a living outside of Canada Post, this happens, especially during covid when restaurants were closed.
CPC could have made bank keeping that amazon contract; now we are entering an era where it will be Amazon delivering our mail if things don’t change
Why in the world would cpc exec tell amazon we were unable to handle their volumes??? All while building albert jackson right next door to amazon?!? The fundamental misunderstanding is to take on new business and expand growth not flushing money down the toilet and chasing business away as the former milk salesman has done. The icing on the cake is then rewarding themselves with bonuses from money they supposedly don’t have. Next he’ll get bonuses for growing Purolator parcel volumes at cpc (our) expense!!!!
Blatant conflict of interst
https://www.levittllp.com/service/decertification-unfair-union-representation/
This needs to be done! CUPW has dropped the ball, year after year. Haven’t had a negotiated contract in forever! Decertify and move on
I fully agree. Unions are important and their are professional, modern unions in Canada. Unfortunately, CUPW is not one of them. Their refusal to accept reality effectively destroys every negotiation they conduct. They’re truly useless. It’s time for the dues-paying members to vote on Canada Post’s latest offer.
LOL! Try it! Bet you won’t come close to the necessary required signatures to trigger a decertification.
According to the Canada Labour Code, 30% of members must sign. Then a vote to decertify must be held. If people can get organized, there are definitely way more than 30% of members who are sick to dearh of CUPW.
Many whine and like to talk the talk. Lets see if anyone actually goes through with it which I highly doubt
You think there’s 20,000 workers who would vote to decertify CUPW??? You are completely insane!
Bet they will!!
your ‘final’ offer is not good enough, even if government force us to vote, we will vote NO
If you read the comments on multiple threads and sites, you’re in the minority.
Not so fast po.or worker, don’t forget most posts are likely supers sitting at their computers making seem as if doing something. Real employees are working and unable to post through the day
I have read them. And no is the vast majority.
Let’s have the vote and find out Lol!
Well, at least all the CUPW groupies will vote no. But there are many intelligent workers who know Canada Post needs to change. We realize every contract must be a compromise and overall this offer is decent. Let’s hold the vote amd find out what the majority want.
Amen.
I wonder how much money Canada Post is burning each day they operate with no volume. If this continues, we will all be out of jobs!
Canada Post, lock them out!!!
And we’ll take management down with us! It will be worth it.
Why isn’t our union showing the members what they are seeking in an agreement. Hmmmm… We went on strike for five weeks and our dues went up! Hmm…. Way past done with the union, let’s vote and let the members decide the future. Union is only protecting the working force that doesn’t like to work. If you do your job there is no need for the union. The union heads should be the ones on the chopping block when all said and done. Stop drinking the cool aid!
The reason we have what we do is because we are unionized. Canada Post has made it pretty clear that they would love to cut our pension and pay minimum wage if they could. You really think we’d be better off without a union?
Not without a union. But we’d definitely be better off without a useless union like CUPW.
yup
When did they ever offer minimum wage and cut the pension. Your pension was never going to change. New employees can decide if they want to work here with an industry standard pension but why is that your fight?
The only thing CUPW knows is how to oppose. They have no good ideas of their own. They have several terrible ideas, like postal banking or seniors check-in. They waste time fighting changes that are inevitable instead of trying to negotiate the best wage increase possible. In the meantime, workers feel endless stress and Canada Post loses millions in revenue because CUPW won’t compromise and settle a contract. This is nothing new for our union. Let’s have the vote and let the real workers decide.
Building brand new plants with all the unnecessary bells and whistles and then purposely rendering them underutilized , buying electric vehicles and then parking them all somewhere to rot into the ground, installing telematics not to be used for disciplining but now used for disciplining, new pdts that don’t tap and only take credit cards so we look like idiots in front of customers, telling Amazon we can’t handle their volumes because God forbid we grow some business. In what universe does a board run a corporation in this manner and then gets bonuses to boot with money that’s supposedly been “lost”. Some of you rightfully may complain about the unions shortfalls but thank God somebody is pushing back against this insane and concerted union busting oppression to never ever reach a negotiated settlement
Amen!!!
I agree!
When is this going to end ?
When you replace Cupw with a reasonable union.
I agree
When they replace all of the grossly incompetent and bloated management.
Any idea as to when they will resolve the issue and sending mails will resume??
CUPW doesn’t want this to end, living it up in Ottawa, expensive hotels, Steak dinners, Cuba trips, Niagara falls parties.. The public sees the membership, not the uneducated and disrespectful union that CUPW is.. Time to remove them all, especially Jan Simpson, useless letter writer.. Making 200k+ and does nothing but steal from the memberships dues..
You can send mail now.
Mid November 2024. Where have you been???
all mebers need to support your union or find other employment
Support the union or find another job? Interesting! Who pays you? When the union starts paying me instead of me paying them is when I will support them. Adapt or die and the union is dying! Stop drinking the cool aid.
Exactly!!
Most people are employed for the paycheck. Not for the union membership. Pretty sure pro union was not in the job description
We are all gonna have to find another job soon enough
Then find another one and stop whining here. Better to start now than later.
Why? Who wants to support a bunch of people living in the 80s? Anyway a lot of people will be looking for employment after this is settled…you may be one of them.
lol! We work for Canada post not the Union. :):)
The union has been negotiate for almost two years and is getting nothing resolved with CP. (perhaps it’s time to change the negotiation team) Suggest it is now time to ask their members to have a vote on CP’s latest proposal. The union’s job is to represent their members so let them vote…this seems like the democratic way…
cpc does not want a negotiated settlement, they never have. So unless we all bend over like you saying thank you sir may i have another( which thankfully most of us with a spine will not) cpc won’t stop until they get their way. Only thing between us and that outcome is the union. To naysayers who say then look for another job, the smart ones already have or are
Union is corrupt, and you’re part of the problem. We have rights under the labour code, labour board and labour laws, and normally CUPW will be reported for misrepresentation, misappropriation of our dues because they can’t afford a strike but can pay for lavish trips to Cuba and Niagara falls, and stay at expensive hotels in Ottawa.. We will vote this union out and you can find a new job also, and we’ll bring in a real union for the membership, not the ones getting in trouble all the time.. If you’re for CUPW you’re against our rights to vote, and you can leave with uneducated negotiators and useless presidents who make 200k+ with the executives..
Amen!
What a ridiculous viewpoint. All members pay CUPW over $1200 a year. They are supposed to be serving us, not the orher way around. Our union will never settle this contract because of their excessive demands. The great majority of CUPW members know our union is useless, outdated, and out of touch. We hope the Minister allows a vote on Canada Post’s offer ASAP. Then we’ll actually know what most of us want.
So are they going to deliver my package or not??
This thing is just getting stupid now.. what a circus show
Welcome to Canada clown show of the world . CPC and CUPW are the bumbling clowns that can never get it right .
CPC you are screwed. Cupw will
Vote no then you have absolutely nothing left to do but actually bargain. The rsmc will vote yes just to screw u up and have to pay them when you lock the doors How about get 2 floors at a hotel
Pay for cupw and the mediator and until this contract is done no one goes home and to make it honest a live feed to show that n both sides are actually working and negotiating not ignoring each other.
Will we? Let’s have the vote and find out Lol.
Take it to a vote! CUPW thinks it will get a “no” vote, and CPC thinks it will be a “yes”. Let’s roll the dice and find out.
Spoken like a whipped soup!
I am getting really sick of our Union. I have to pay them $100 per cheque and for what?? For them to mess around with my job security. What are they really fighting for at this point because every time they refuse an offer, it’s one step closer to use either getting locked out or an even worse deal. It’s time to move with the times CUPW. Things are changing and you can’t stop that. You have to go with the flow of the direction. I get SOME of the things they are fighting for, but they aren’t looking at the big picture here. Every day CUPW and CPC are at odds with each other are new customers lost. They don’t trust Canada Post any more because of these fights and I can’t blame them. As someone who uses the company as well as works for them, I don’t trust them either and haven’t sent anything off for a while due to the potential disruptions. I know a lot of people who are doing the same or going else where because they have no security on what’s going to happen. It’s time to move forward and give the people an experience they are looking for. Deliver a good job to them!! Stop making them and your workers pay for your not being able to agree on ANYTHING!!!
You’re exactly right. CUPW keeps fighting things they can’t prevent. Every intelligent worker knows Canada Post needs to change. If our union would accept this, it could work with the company to make the changes as smoothly as possible. It could concentrate on negotiating better wage increases and benefits. If Canada Post could attract business and get back some of our lost accounts, all workers would benefit. But I guess that’s too logical for CUPW.
i get what you’re saying but imagine not having one.. all the benefits you enjoyed now. gone .. poof..
Exactly. CUPW is by far the lesser of two evils.
Omg. Really? You cant even agree on the terms of arbitration??? Come on. This is ridiculous. Cpc… the kaplan report is not the be all end all decision maker. None of those who spoke or gave written testimony were sworn in. This was not an official hearing like the Radwanski report. Lastly, the hearing was open to every yahoo who wanted to write or say anything they wanted…whether true or false. So… come on cpc… as much as i despise cupw, your reasoning is… well… bs.
Even if you lose your job, relax.
Our union will generously pay you $50 a day.
Hope it’s cash…cheques from CUPW usually bounce!
That’s true. Much less than minimum wage, but who cares. As long as our great CUPW leadership can book another trip to Cuba.
Let’s vote as soon as possible before this company collapses.
There will be no jobs for us unless the company recovers.
Hey, Unions.
Can’t you see the company’s situation is getting worse day by day?
Nah… let it collapse. It’s the only way to clean out management.
I would rather bring down the whole corporation, including management, than submit to their whims.
If we go down, they go down.
I blame the Feds on this, instead of putting their foot down and saying that enough is enough, they allow this to keep on going! Maybe is in their interest for CPC to just go bankrupt so that they won’t need to inject more tax payers money on CP??
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/canada-post-rejects-union-terms-for-arbitration-as-both-sides-enter-bitter-stalemate/
Thank you CPC for exposing the corruption and epic failures of CUPW, maybe their supporters will wake up and see them for who they are, selfish, liars, corrupt, embarrassment, and failure for 2.5years of times wasted to negotiate. CUPW should be forced to pay back the membership for wasting time and upsetting the country with their contracts focused on others and not the workers.. Shame on you all CUPW
Please Canada Post, try to lock us out and use replacement workers like DHL is doing. I beg you, please do it. Do it, so we can unite and show you who really runs the show!
I agree with “CPC needs new management.”
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That $1000 bonus is a joke too. I would prefer a cheque for damages since our strike got cut off unconstitutionally…again. Repay us our wages for the five wasted weeks that we were out. Plus damages for mental anguish, hardship and loss. The government pulled the rug out from under our feet illegally. Why were we not informed that we can only do half strikes? This arbitration should definitely include compensation for the above mentioned attacks the members have suffered.
You’re not serious. How about NO JOB because the Canadian TaxPayers subsidize a company that loses Billions yet you want more, more, more. I know about half dozen “postal workers” and EVERY one of them used to tell me they would go out and “work” for 5 hours a day, get paid for 8, then get 3 hours more work and get overtime. The gravy train should have been done 10 yrs ago with enforced community mail boxes, the invention of fax machines, scan and pdf, getting your invoices online, sending ad mail and coupons on line (like was done Nov Dec 2024). The list is endless. Wake up. You will have no job because the only sustainable thing you have is perhaps parcel delivery, and even then there is more than a half dozen reputable private companies that already provide that service so really what do you need CPC for ? Their mandate hundreds of years ago was to deliver mail. That doesn’t exist anymore. Use the $1B CPC loses every year and give all Canadian StarLink in remote areas so they can do the same thing every other normal “urban” Canadian does. Pull you invoices on line from internet access. CPC isn’t needed. Especially if you’re expecting Canadians to subsidize a losing entity. Letter and Ad Mail revenue has been dropping for almost 20 yrs yet nobody has been laid off. Incredible entitlement to try to get blood from a stone. If it was a private company all the executives would have been fired, and company would have been bankrupt.
Obviously a super or a envious non employee
Yup…
Most of us want to vote right now, so there will be no wasted time. We are a century behind the competition. Evolution is
inevitable.
No, and no.
Company needs to allow for retired former employees to come back and work I would do weekend work it used to be this way and should still be allowed.
We made profits for almost 2 decades. Then a former president decides to invest 2 billion dollars into sequencing of mail without further study against CUPW advice. That was around 2005. We have been in a downward slide ever since. Now it seems like company policy to try and break that 2 billion dollar record for wasted spending. Unfortunately for us the the workers are punished for all the incompetence with no end in sight.
CPC you need to have a edit option on posts. Sometimes our posts may have an error due comment text area not allowing us to go back and proof read before we post. Thanks
we aklready have 2 tier pay why is cupw crying about new two tier lollll
There’s always been many levels of pay for most CUPW jobs. Just look at any contract from the past 20 years. Most positions such as LC, PO4, PO5 etc don’t reach top pay until year 7. There have also always been part-timers working on weekends. CUPW just naturally fights against everything Canada Post proposes, whether logical or not.
Only people wanting to vote on this garbage are inside workers.. Very foolish considering inside workers in every other company make far less than outside workers. It will be inside workers getting the cut on the next one if you play into this division tactic.
Why don’t we hold the vote and find out? You’re wrong if you don’t think there are a lot of LCs who are smart enough to know Canada Post has to change and the offer is decent. Either way, let’s vote, then we’ll see if intelligent workers outnumber CUPW groupies.
You think if Government approves CMB ‘s outside workers will be cut over time you should know better if you are really a LC .In addition the way the finances are currently there will be CUTS on all levels after they overhaul the charter.
100% Correct. Canada Post is playing the old divide and conquer tactic. DO NOT FALL FOR IT.
Ever notice how cities have separate unions for inside and outside workers? Look at Windsor right now. They’re inside workers are looking at going on strike, but not their outside workers. Maybe we should split that way too.
We used to be split but are now combined. If the inside workers are on strike LCs & RSMSs are not going to cross their picket lines and if LCs/RSMCs are on strike the inside workers won’t cross our picket line either so it’s better that we’re together. I am so sad to see people bashing CUPW. If people don’t want a unionized job and don’t want to see how our union really works then I really think they should leave and find a different job. CUPW has done so much for us. We’d get minimum wage, no pension, no job security, no equal pay between men/women, no seniority rights, NOTHING without them.
The Minister will allow the parties a limited amount of time to make actual progress. However, the government is very likely to call a vote if nothing is happening. It appears that CUPW still refuses to accept reality. Our delivery methods must change. Part-timers on weekends, dynamic routing, SSD, or converting to CMBs with non-daily delivery all will happen. If CUPW accepted this amd worked with Canada Post, they could have secured something like a better wage offer for members. Fighting against reality seems like the number one goal of CUPW. The changes recommended in Kaplan’s report will happen. Don’t forget he specifically mentioned that CUPW was difficult to deal with. They prove that point over and over again.
All the changes you mention will take many years to come to fruition. Over time they may happen, not all at once.
CP wants “new class” of employees for weekend delivery, it means lower wages for those employees if you can read between the lines….
So, if our union asks for bigger raises for actual employees, it will accentuate CP’s will to give more work to the new class of employees, which they pay less….. and imagine that…CP allready stated that these employees will be able to work weekdays too…
Next thing you know, those new employees will do all the work.
Kinda ironic that the more money we ask for ourselves, the faster CP will cut our jobs ….
P.S. The government of Canada still receives the tax on our sales, 5% on 8 billion$ still comes to 400k millions plus the provincial taxes… even if we lose 1 billion/year, the government/people still don’t lose any money…..
You are absolutely right on
100% this
I think you released this one a little too late in the day, Canada Post. Not enough supervisors are on company time right now to make fake comments in your support. Guess we’ll have to wait till tomorrow for them to show up
LOL! 😂
Sure, anyone who criticizes CUPW is a supervisor? Maybe the comments are from actual workers who are saying what they really think because of anonymity. I guess the real way to find out what CUPW members think is by holding a vote on Canada Post’s offer. Then we’ll really know.
Not true I criticize both sides when required .I am a worker and not scared to tell either side like it is on or off the floor or online .I prefer in person so they can see how really angry some of us are. I would be a CEO but they couldn’t afford it .My asking price $1,000,000 year to so I can fire most of the useless .
Very ture
No thanks. Offer is trash.
And here is the first sup making his comments
Every time our contract is up,we VOTE for our union to strike and get us a new contract. If all of you haters of unions keep saying vote vote vote, why wasn’t the majority last year saying we shouldn’t strike and just take cpc’s unknown reasonable offer?
You of course will have all day when the hibachi’s come out soon. Working on your tan like a champ with no schedule.
Good one! I agree! Lol
Union us scared .If they get a no vote they have no more time left to bargain and could lose more than they bargained for .In addition the membership could be divided even more .Union won’t be able to control fallout and negative feed back .
If they get a yes vote you will still have disgruntled members. In addition Union will have to face defeat on some issues. They will lose support now and in the future.
They have very little support now as it is. The results of a vote would prove it. That’s why CUPW is so scared.
So you should be writing National and Regional reps and telling them your rational and you want to vote .You should be telling your local you want a vote . You have to push your Union we pay their wages through our dues they work for us let them know that .
I AGREE👏👏
Agree 100 %
Yes let’s have the vote ASAP. CUPW has done a terrible job throughout the entire negotiations and part-one of the strike. Their only accomplishment was causing every member to lose thousands of dollars and Canada Post to lose millions. CUPW has settled two contracts since 1965. Every other negotiation ended in a strike or lock-out. No other union in Canada has a record that bad.
Union is a bunch of cowards and know their days are numbered for wasted time delaying talks..
Union is only good as the people who run and you elect. If you vote in wrong people expect negative results .If you don’t vote well you can’t complain.If you think you can do better then step up .
Lots of managers furiously typing away tonight!
LOL for sure!!
Which is it? Is Canada Post mgmt incompetent or malicious? Anyone? I can’t seem to decide…
Both there is still deep hatred of union so they don’t care if they cause hardship on employees .However they were appointed by the Liberals so there is your in incompetence part. Also CEO needs replacing since he can’t manage for profit just waste then cries broke.
Both.
I agree, let’s address the challenges. Why has non labour spending increased so much while labour spending has actually decreased? Why are we buying vehicles that sit unused? Why has the ratio of supervisors to employees increased so much? Why are said supervisors and higher management still receiving bonuses? Why are we turning away customers like Amazon?
ALL OF THIS!!!
Those are the right questions!
As soon as you say they turned away Amazon like that was a negative, you proved your grasp of the concept of business. Go back to your forklift or satchel and just do what you know.
Tell us all how losing the Amazon contract was a good thing. Please.
They always planned on doing their own thing. That’s how they succeed, by taking over the end to end process with the cheapest possible labour. You want a part of that? It was never going to last. Same with UPS and that’s why they just let go 20,000 workers. It’s not that they lost Amazon, it’s that it was never meant to stay. Bezos had a plan and we just helped them get a footing, to our own detriment.
I think the post is saying turning away amazon was a bad thing, along with all the other things listed. This is typical of this cpc ceo. He did the same thing with scotsburn dairy. He built a new plant, cried poor, then sold the company. Then the ceo moved on.
Get you head out of the sand. Amazon wants delivery of their product at a discounted rate, and they demand this because of the volumes they pump through. First of all, with our already high wages, we can’t get to their number. Secondly, because they charge us if we miss their already tight delivery times, this again is unsustainable. Why do you think others have gone to a 7-day delivery, because they have to so as not be penalized. So we do this on a five day schedule, pay overtime to not be penalized and what is left for the bottom line. This is why you aren’t running the company. You’re happy to walk, there’s the door. Don’t let it hit you on the way out.
Amazon dropped CPC before because Amazon was able to get it’s own contractors to deliver. CPC got the leftovers that they did not want to deliver because of cost and rural delivery. Amazon will do what it wants when it comes to cost saving.
Yes!
Wish we had a different union representing us as I believe this one isn’t doing a good job
Maybe Corporation should ignore most union non contract demands except health and safety. Union pushed corporation for EV green vehicles without considering costs in long run. How much did corporation waste on high vis vests for everyone .I can see outside or inside forktruck areas only.How about SSD I would like to see the final dollar value on that useless model. Then there was Postal Transformation awhile back .CPC buys Ford Transit from Turkey how does that help save when you can buy North America .A lot of useless and costly decisions that add up with no fiscal accountability. You can’t run a company like that forever. Oh I forgot tge covid pandemic and all the tyrannical policy that eventually got tossed out .
Stop blaming management. You guys are lucky that belt tightening didn’t start 25 years ago with the effective loss of letter mail.How can you demand better compensation than the competition if you want to stay in the game?You are no longer a monopoly.For one defined pensions are now almost unheard of wages are reasonable for job .Still want more go look for a job that pays more with your resume
There’s no profit in delivering Amazon that’s why ups dropped them in the US.
Because CPC prices in the market are WELL BELOW anybody’s cost to serve. How about adopt a policy to charge rate that make you money ? Then everyone, and all carriers are on the same playing field.
They give customers parcels rates that are below cost and wonder why you get the volume. All you have to offer is price. UPS is mandated to MAKE A PROFIT. If they don’t, the management gets fired. Nobody cares at CPC because you get subsidized hundreds of millions of dollars to do what 90% of all the other carriers can already do. Deliver parcels. Why do you think Amazon created their own logistics network ? Because of Unions controlling your destiny, and being at the mercy of employees that dont understand if you dont have the company, you dont have employees in the first place. You’re original mandate and creation of the postal service hundreds of years ago was to deliver mail.
Thats been dying for over 20 yrs. Fighting for more money that the company doesn’t have is mind boggling entitlement. Take what you can get and for those Senior guys ride it out till retirement. At the end of the day the company won’t exist because you provide nothing unique that can’t go the way of the dinosaur (mail) or that a half a dozen other logistics companies already provide. I would take what you can get and continue to ride this out until the actual line in the sand is drawn. The money and subsidies can’t be endless. It should have been over 10 yrs ago.
Sure… keep drinking management’s coolaid!
Canada Post cannot afford 13% raises. The current offer is way too generous and actually should have wage cuts. That CUPW hasn’t already accepted shows they are not bargaining in good faith.
If they can’t afford it, why are they offering it? Why are they offering 40 million in a signing bonus?
Because it’s cheaper than adding 1.5% which compounds and is pensionable. $1000 is a one and done. Way cheaper in the long run
To get this over with! We are bleeding money every day this “pending strike” is out there!
If you look at what the cupw starting wage was back in 2008 compared to what it is now it isn’t much of a difference. Paying employees wages that keep up with inflation isn’t the issue. There are other ways Canada Post could save money. One example : supervisors need to learn the collective agreement to avoid grievances that end up costing the company money.
Why don’t we hold a vote and find out? Then if you don’t want to vote, you don’t have to. I’m guessing CUPW is scared of any vote in case the actual workers accept Canada Post’s offer Lol.
Because the offer sucks. Everyone at my depot that I’ve talked to said they’d vote no and besides that, it’s sleazy that the corporation is trying to circumvent our union leadership.
The majority Canada wide says YES, so your NO votes will mean nothing. Let’s see CUPW hold a vote with a third party company counting the votes because CUPW can be trusted and watch how many vote to have a job, then lose their jobs under a useless union..
That’s some fine crystal ball you got there. You don’t know what your taking about.
Yeah, whatever soup. Like it’s even possible you know what every CUPW member in Canada wants! 🤣
The CEO should be fired. He’s useless and hasn’t been able to lead the corporation properly — it’s been losing money for so long! He hasn’t brought in any new business for Canada Post either.
You should be fired defending CUPW for the corruption they commit on a daily basis.. For 5 weeks of strikes when Canadians needed us, you’re the problem, quit now, you have no right to ask anyone be fired except yourself..
We as workers had a valid contract dispute .Christmas is our bargaining chip. When do you want us to strike in the summer serves no purpose.Uts not corruption it is just the way it is .Yes it is a inconvenience to the public. Had we had a sitting government instead of the Liberal fiasco it could have been resolved. In addition the corporation could have issued a final offer ages ago to avoid disruption in service .The corporation made bad decisions that impacted its service and tried to play the public against the union with exaggerated media hype.
The only thing that the IIC report says is that the guy who wrote it probably works for Canada Post or is in cahoots with them. There are many other ways that Canada Post can function without cutting services and jobs. We need to start by firing the people that run the company and get people in here that can ACTUALLY do the job properly without running it into the ground. Secondly, maybe CP should stop sending all their business elsewhere.
If only you were the CEO. I can tell from your comment you’re highly educated and qualified.
LOL
Yes, unlike you, they seem to be. 😄
I thought the minister asked u to negotiate arbitration, not waste ur time lying to ur employees. Stop wasting Canadians time and get back to the table
Maybe instead of lying to ur employees u could be working on arbitration like the minister asked
What lies are those?
That labour is the problem, labour costs have gone down, yet non labour cost have gone through the roof, that happens when u buy a fleet of trucks u don’t use and a plant that isn’t needed.
EXACTLY!!! Management states: “After 18 months, we urgently need a fair resolution…” Let’s not forget that 10 of those 18 months we were waiting for management to table their FIRST offer! And it was a lowball offer with lots of rollbacks.
They had 18 months to come up with a final offer that should gave been presented in the first 6 months .Whoever is on their negotiating team should be fired .Who ever stalled the negotiations should be fired.
Oh is that what you think happened? Unlikely…but whatever your handlers tell you, you seem to believe
Oh, is that all you can come up with “just sayin”? Because you just said nothing of value! LOL!!!
Yes, absolutely a negotiated agreement would be the best for everyone. Yes, I agree with Canada Post that changes are absolutely necessary in order to compete with it’s parcel delivery. 7 days delivery on parcels is a must. This way Canada Post can try to get back customers as well as muster up new business by offering promotions that the competitors probably can’t. But Canada Post must remember that our company is a service to all Canadians and should not be treated as a profit making corporation such as Microsoft, Google or any Bank. We are a service to Canada just like Service Canada and other Federal Agencies. I’m sure they also get much government support and pay major salaries to all it’s employees from upper management down to the small guy (front desk/public worker). So please remember, we are a service to all of Canada and not a major profit making organization. Thank you.
The only people profiting are CUPW on our backs..
If you’ve ever been to a union meeting you would know that CUPW is made up of members who want to do more for workers that then get voted into positions by members that go to meetings. Every person on the negotiating committee was voted into that position by members. Maybe see how cupw works before making ignorant comments.
May be voted but how many are qualified .A lot get the job by default because no one else wants it .
Sounds like you’re talking about CPC management!
They were voted in by their friends. I’ve seen the way people are voted in. Nothing but corruption. CUPW is definitely a waste of our union dues and needs to go. Someone commented on how CPC is an essential service and shouldn’t be making a profit, agreed, however, all CUPW is, is a business just looking for new members = more dues. They don’t care about our best interests. It’s funny I keep hearing senior members making arguments for the future workers of CP, if they are so concerned, they should retire. Their pension is maxed out, give someone else a job. It’s all a joke. Can we just vote, get the answer we are all waiting for and move on with our jobs?!! Enough already!!
Send a contract worth voting for then we talk
100% agree!
1000% agreed!!!
There are no negotiations happen and this is not going to change. Bring in binding arbitration. This is hurting to many people. The government must make the decision soon. Small businesses are hurting.
How are small businesses hurting? Everyone is working.. send the work lol
No small business can trust you. They got hung out to dry when you had all of your “ leverage”. They didn’t even have to be told to find other options first shipping. They already knew. Those that didn’t know were told by reps from UPS, FedEx, Canpar, Freightcom, Netparcel, Stallion Express, Uni Uni, Chit Chats etc…These are all cheaper options and they are not going on strike anytime soon. They always come to deals on their contracts, unlike you amateur hour types.
Yes, and don’t forget DHL! Whoops, they locked out their employees! 🙄
Why would we want or trust an arbitrator. We never wanted binding arbitration before so why now ? Or are they going to piece out the barriers to arbitration and vote on the rest . Both sides have to agree on method in order to move forward .Union needs to be clear to members on intent so their us no confusion or animosity.
Absolutely!!
Small business is hurting because of incompetent Liberal Government policy for past 9 years killing the economy and driving inflation up . Yes the postal dispute is not helping but not the main reason .
CPC is in shock that the government didn’t bend to their will this time and doesn’t know how to actually negotiate from here. They fully expected the minister to let them put their vote forward and now are panicking with no new plan. Minister said to figure out terms for arbitration, so get to it.
Yep. Every time they post on here It sounds like a baby throwing a temper tantrum. 😂
They are far from shock .The
Government can order Canada Post at any time to settle .The Government is scared of blowback from the public and any further disruptions.
You’re just upset the minister didn’t give you what you wanted and force a vote. Now you’re scrambling because you realize you’ll have to do something. Figure out the terms for arbitration and be done with it before the terms are determined for you when the minister gets annoyed
So you spent 2 days with mediators and with CUPW but you have no basis to resolve or resume bargaining? What were you guys talking about? Your lack of effort for making excuses is even sad.
Hey CUPW, seeing you’re abusing the membership, why are mechanics paying the same dues as the workers when they clearly make 10k-15k + over what we make..? Is it because they’re your buddies..? We pay to much in Union dues and the mechanica make more and should pay $150 a month.. $40 an hour and we pay the same as them and we don’t make as much.. what a joke.. You’re the laughing stock of Canada and you’ve made us the same.. So pathetic
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. All CUPW members are equal in the union. All are treated the same with the same benefits.
Wrong, techs and mechanics make more money and should pay more. Union dues are supposed to be based off pay, nice try defending your CUPW buddies, we are not equal or treated as equals.. Take your corruption away from the membership, we don’t need your lies..
The union fee is to be a member, it’s not based on your pay rate. What a ridiculous thing to even say.
😂 is that the best thing you have to say. It’s been that way since letter carriers. Made the mistake of joining CUPW.
Don’t forget a casual that works 4 hours a month will pay the same dues…it works both ways
Now ask the part timer who works maybe 20 hours a week, or the temp who might only work 10 or 15 hours a month why they still pay the same. Cupw doesnt care. Make $100 bucks this month, and thats it… too bad. That $100 is going to cupw. End the rand decision..NOW!
You can end it yourself. Go work elsewhere.
The union is supporting Canadians and Canadian workers while Canada Post wants American style gig economy
Yes sure, whatever you say. The only thing CUPW did was to help every dues-paying member lose thousands of dollars in part-one of our never-ending strike. Why didn’t our union agree to arbitration in October 2024 when Canada Post requested it? If we had done it then, none of us would have lost any wages and the company would have had all their Christmas season business. But now CUPW is asking for arbitration because they’re too afraid to hold a vote on Canada Post’s offer. With our union the genius-level thinking never stops;)
Canada Post never requested binding arbitration in October. Stop making stuff up.
You do know CUPW is part of gig workers right.? You sound uneducated and as a CUPW groupie defending them..
CUPW supports gig workers, I even Posted the link because you’re clueless..
https://www.cupw.ca/en/gig-workers-organizing-change
Anyone that says someone else is uneducated and puts them down likely isn’t that educated a person, they just somehow feel superior. It’s really quite funny and sad at the same time.
We know CUPW has unionized gig workers in Canada. They’re better off than the non-union American gig workers.
Way to do exactly the things cupw accused u off. Bravo
I think this should say corporation not union? “The Union’s refusal to recognize the IIC report “ ?
Corp is in full scramble mode now.. you’re not gonna get your way and don’t know what to do. How’s it feel??
You know how this is going to play out. The union not even bothering to reject the deal because they are broke. Corp will pull the contract shortly and then you can all sit on your stack of pallets roasting hotdogs till fall
Corp will be on fire if they pull the previous contract. One way or another, the only way forward for Canada post is to work with the union. If they push their way through now, the union and its members will never forget it in the future.
How long do you get to play “dress up” and head to work for full pay with nothing going on? Contract will be pulled and you will do what you do, until the fund runs out. They didn’t budge for 5 weeks during peak. If the members were honest, they were glad to be forced back last time.
Union and Corporation are both broke. Corporates have more to lose like their job if this dispute fails to be resolved.Union will still survive and Reps will still have a job at end of day .
Corporation may be overconfident but that is due to incompetence .If Government orders CPC to jump they will have to .Well see how long their arrogance can last .But they are many steps ahead of Union.
What a joke CP is.. hand over a 700+ page binder and demand a response instantly. Give the workers a 4 page “highlight” document and ask for a vote. This management team should all be fired.. what an embarrassment you are
Don’t worry, a new report written in crayon will come CUPWs way. That may help 😂
Not unless there are pictures.
You falsely assume management knows how to use crayons! LOL!!!
And CUPW isnt?! Both sides should be ashamed of themselves.
In my opinion, this comment section serves no purpose other then to create division. It’s disappointing my employer makes it available.
I’m with you, this comment section, where you don’t even have to be an employee and can be anonymous is the biggest joke there is. Makes me want to support the union even more so. This is embarrassing, Canada Post. If you don’t go through the correct channels to negotiate, you are the problem.
We can’t post on Union or Union affiliates due to lefty censorship rules .Also CUPW us ignoring members opinions .
So am I going to get my package or not?
Where else do we vent our anger? WHY DOES CUPW NOT OFFER THE SAME SOUNDING BOARD? AFRAID OF WHAT YOU MIGHT READ?
They can’t handle criticism,especially from their own members .Big ego lefty’s think they are all that .In reality they are washed out because they couldn’t make it in the real world. No private company would put up with CUPW .That is why they are safe under Government umbrella.
We want a vote!
no we don’t, the offer is garbage. We want to have the entire board fired and return canada post to a ministry.
No we don’t
We can vote when there is something worthwhile to vote on. As of right now there’s no reason to vote.
Another NO to voting now.
CUPW yearly getting 70 million from the members. They don’t wanna do anything. We are paying them too much money. Better we have to change the union
Yes, union is stealing from the membership and we’re overpaying union dues..
found the non union schill that has no idea what is happening. What exactly do you think the union executive is getting paid? The national president gets paid 1.36x the wages for our mail dispatchers, $86,769. This is publicly available. Nothing is hidden. Yearly financials are available to any member. Union dues also pay for union halls across this country, which isn’t cheap. We have about 150 people in our local and we get about $8,000 a month since it’s per member.
Members want a vote on the offer. Let us vote. Enough is enough!
Members will vote no.
Offer sucks. No reason to vote on garbage.
Very articulate response. But let’s hold the vote and find out what the majority of workers actually think. If you’re so sure the offer is ‘garbage’ you can’t possibly be worried that Canada Post will win the vote, right?
Management shill here pushing for a delay and distraction with a pointless vote. They’re scared their time is running out and the government will come down on their incompetence.
Exactly! A vote on the final offer would be a waste of time and money; something management excels at!
I would vote NO to final offer!!!
Another vote for NO to final offer!
Even if you put the IIC recommendations you still wont be profitable, get real
Maybe not for a few years, bur it would certainly help. All of Kaplan’s recommendations are much better than any of the idiotic ideas CUPW has had. At least they’re based in reality.
Agreed
Only the sitting Government can make changes to the Postal Charter which needs a overhaul they (the Government) has ignored this area for along time.Kaplan is bias and has no say .His statements are mute and has no authority to make changes he can advise but does not mean he has last say . He was appointed to mediate between two parties and hear arguments.Then present findings to a Minister.
Trying to sidestep the union and demand a vote is bad faith bargaining and the corp knows it. CPC should get back to the table and step back from some of their extreme demands
maybe try actually negotiating.
I’m a Canada post employee. I’m so disappointed with CUPW. They never think about our future. We don’t understand what they are doing with the negotiations 😡😡😡please resign CUPW national members 😡😡
CUPW wants nothing more than for all of us to return to the 1970s. Too bad Canada Post has to exist and compete in 2025.
What did you expect from a Socialist left Union ,a Globalist left Corporation ,and a Socialist Globalist left Government . No prosperity in any socialist country let alone ability to run anything efficiently .
You have to be joking or incredibly ignorant. We are literally fighting for our future. Wages, benefits, pension, full time jobs, etc. Your so out of touch it’s unreal.
If you don’t appreciate CUPW then you should resign and work elsewhere.
amen
I second that!
Exactly! We won’t miss a management cuckold like the original poster.
We live in Cuckistan and many liberal cucks on the union side too .
We have a right to question or criticize the unions action .We pay their wages they work for the membership.If we don’t work they are doomed . Their job is to get us a contract .
Smartest thing said in the comments – good for you. Its the truth. The union heads do not care at all about the business nor the members – just the money.
Minister Hadju must let CUPW members vote on CPC’s final offer. This would finally put an end to this debacle, which is crippling the company.
CP troll
If everyone who wants to vote on the contract is a ‘CP troll’, then why is CUPW terrified of a vote. Wouldn’t Canada Post’s offer be convincingly voted down? Or maybe the great majority of members who know our company has to change in order to survive would vote ‘yes’? Let’s have the vote ASAP and find out.
100%
Nope. Union will hold a vote when it sees one worthy of voting on. Minister Hadju understands this.
Right now with the lack of mail your paying us 8 hours to do 3 hours work.
You’ll have to lock us out until the government steps in and tells CUPW to get stuffed!!
I don’t know why you’d ask the company you work for to lock you out. If you don’t need money, why don’t you quit? I do agree that it’s mostly CUPWs fault that no progress is being made. Our union is just too unreasonable and unwilling to compromise. If nothing happens in the next week or so, let’s hope the Minister does allow the vote to proceed. If CUPW loses, it would be fully deserved. It would also end this uncertainty and allow Canada Post to recover business. The vast majority of CUPW members want an end to this nonsense.
It would prob never end the uncertainty because the government would be going over the union to make its members vote. That is government interference again.
That sounds about right!
CUPW breaking its members. Members wants to vote.
No they don’t. Why you lying?
They are not breaking us just losing more support . The longer they drag it out with negative results the more members will turn against them .
The result will be a resounding NO
Canada Post appears to be basically bankrupt. I don’t think it is sustainable under its current business model. There is an argument to either revamp the operation completely or just let it go broke and put it out its misery. Most essential residential mail ( bills, etc.) is now recieved online. No one sends letters but rather communication is either text messaging or email. Packages are typically shipped for free by Amazon or many other companies in less time. The only mail in a typical mailbox are unwanted flyers so let a 12 year old deliver those for a
fraction of the cost. Postal workers should be thankful to recieve the latest offer from the Corporation. In fact they should take the money and run rather than facing unemployment when Canada Post declares bankruptcy.