Voting on Canada Post’s final offers to CUPW
June 13, 2025, 04:56 pm
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Employees represented by the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) will soon have a chance to vote on Canada Post’s final offers for the Urban and RSMC (Rural and Suburban Mail Carriers) bargaining units.
We know employees have a lot of questions about the vote, and we will share more information as soon as it’s available. Here’s everything we know so far:
About the vote
On June 12, the Minister of Jobs and Families approved Canada Post’s request for a vote to take place on the Corporation’s final offers to CUPW, exercising her authority under section 108.1 of the Canada Labour Code. This means CUPW-represented employees in the Urban and RSMC bargaining units will have the opportunity to vote and have their voices heard.
Employees in the Urban bargaining unit will vote on the Corporation’s offer to Urban employees. Employees in the RSMC bargaining unit will vote on the offer to RSMC employees. If a majority of employees who vote accept the offer, it will become the collective agreement for that unit.
How will the vote be administered?
The vote will be administered by the Canada Industrial Relations Board (CIRB). We will share more information about the voting process as soon as it’s available.
What is the CIRB?
The CIRB is an independent administrative tribunal. Its job is to resolve workplace disputes and certain appeals under the Canada Labour Code and related legislation.
When is the vote?
The Minister has directed the CIRB to administer the vote as soon as possible. We will share more details on exact timing as they become available. Continue checking canadapost.ca/offers for the latest information about the vote.
What will I be voting on?
On May 28, 2025, Canada Post presented final offers to CUPW for employees in the Urban and RSMC bargaining units. Employees represented by CUPW will vote on the offer that was presented for their bargaining unit.
You can learn about the offers at canadapost.ca/offers.
Stay informed
We will provide updates and information as it becomes available. Please continue to check our Negotiations Hub for updates. You can also sign up to receive email updates directly to your inbox.
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Just came down- CIRB want all cupw members who intend to vote are to make sure you have an email address to receive the CIRB pin, which is required to vote. You must make sure this is done by July 7,2025
When Canada Post turned down the binding arbitration offer I was really surprised. So they want to keep this going by forcing a vote in the hopes of a Yes vote for meager raise not addressing cost of living, whilst they get bonuses every year. Nothing screams for a NO vote more than that!
Keep spewing lies and covering up CUPW propaganda.. You should ask yourself why the CPAA got a contract before us to CUPW… Nothing screams you’re a boot licker than telling people to Vote No, we’re voting YES, go find another job
Because they only have a few thousand members and aren’t able to strike. He also was not spewing lies as indeed you actually are. Is the offer not meager in comparison to actual cost of living and inflation since 2018? Did the board not award themselves huge bonuses for bringing the entire operation to its knees by blowing and mismanagement of money? Stop walking around kissing up to your cpc overlords on the mothership ,wake up look around, we are under attack and all you can do is whine about cupw this and cupw that. They might not be perfect but they’re what we have so man up and make the most of it until it’s all over. Put your money where your big mouth is and go after the union when all is said and done. But alas you won’t. I can already hear all your whiny excuses now why you can’t or wont
The corporation took out a loan for a Billion dollars, if you’re not happy about the offer go find another job, it won’t get better, you boot lickers think arbitration will be better..? If God forbid we get Arbitration and lose you CUPW goons should pay out of your pockets to those that did Not want to strike and pay the signing Bonus to us all.. Boot lickers will be the downfall of our jobs. CUPW lost the opportunity to strike because they’re broke and are desperate to push NO vote.. What is CUPW hiding this time..? When they’re Removed you can go to McDonald’s boot licker . We want to work, and there’s 100000 unemployed people who would gladly take your job, but I’m sure you’re a lazy PO4 who does nothing or complain or a lazy carrier that takes fake STDP because you’re lazy as well. People like you keep CUPW in business because they have to save your job, the rest of us actually work, something you couldn’t handle.. Contact any other union and ask them if they’ve ever wanted Arbitration, you don’t have the stones for that, so don’t keep spreading CUPW BS to those who can think for themselves, you and CUPW are the problems we faces during strike, costing Millions to Charities, ruining Christmas for Canadians and their children, supporting Communist groups that CUPW supports, supporting a union that their priority is vacations and nothing about MEMBERSHIP, secret negotiations to put money in their pockets and not ours, the way they’ve screwed up negotiations for letter carriers ( but you sound like a whiner so you couldn’t handle the job) reducing flier pay, bad time values for routes, I can go on but that’s what you support and thinking is not possible unless your masters CUPW tell you what to think.. It’s a YES and you can submit your application elsewhere you think things will get better. Your union also has overinflated salaries they won’t show the membership, because they want you to believe they’re not, and the way the Union executives, NEB and useless president give themselves huge bonuses from our dues as well. Anything else your masters want you to spew..? Sit in your lane, we’ve had enough of CUPW corruption, keep your brainwashed mind to yourself, we’re all laughing at you all.. It’s a YES Vote, no one cares what you think, we know the truth. Boot licking CUPW groupie
I have been a postal worker for 20+ years and I will be voting yes along with many others in our postal outlet. If others choose to vote no, then so be it. Its the right of all cupw members to choose. Its totally wrong to have a few union leaders think they should have the right to decide our fate and to be harrasing us this way so listen up Cupw, STOP trying to tell us what to vote !
Exactly, let us vote without stress.. They’ve done enough damage to membership
CUPW cares so much about these negotiations, they’re campaigning for 2028, they played you No vote Boot lickers.. They’ve done their manipulating and forcing and bullying people to vote now, it’s time to go to Cuba and Niagara falls to spend the memberships money again.. Nothing spells corruption more clearer than the Letters “C U P W” you’ve all been played . All part of their plan to destroy our rights..
Out of 5500 union members a few anonymous post. Who are you?
Are you an employees, managers, CPC negotiators?
Are you the same 50 managers or 50 employees writing things against our union?
Are you a negotiator illegally negotiating with a few anonymous?
Are you FedEx employees or UPS drivers?
So basically nothing written here should be believed.
This info post page is only here to divide the workers to conquer them.
CPC won’t even give these anonymous people a tracking number so we could know if you’re the same 50 anonymous constantly complaining.
If you can’t identify yourself, don’t write anything.
We’re CUPw, we are the membership, the rest is none of your business and we speak truth of the corruption of CUPW.. we’re voting YES
And you’re so believable, why?
I have managers and workers in my family. The managers typically applaud what higher management decisions except this time!
What’s happening today was in the pipeline for decades!
Oh so you’re making up stuff again.
Managers in your family..🤣 ok I have CEO’s in mine and I own the stock market, as well as multiple yachts and I work at Canada Post..🤣 Also I’m the president of the Canary islands.. I’m waiting for my private jet to pick me up after shift as well . That’s how you sound Denis . 🤣 Hey mother goose what’s your new book called..? CUPW the lie…🤣🤡🏆 Oh boy, what’s not a joke is we’re voting YES.. go find another job if you don’t like CPC, people dying just to work, seeing you’re so entitled like the CUPW baboons.. Open a postal bank with CUPW, let’s see how long you survive for..🤣
No Boss, it’s been in the pipeline for a few years.
And yes I have managers in my family and you’re clearly jealous!
And CP is not paying me to write in this info post, like you Anonymous BOSS
Why would anyone voting yes not be anonymous. Try it on Facebook.
You will be called vulgar names and have your Facebook account doxxed.
The no crowd feel free to harass those voting yes and CUPW says nothing.
So much for respect and no harassment EH!
CUPW removed people from groups on Facebook if you don’t agree or play by their rules. As soon as you have an issue or ask, you’re removed.. Talk about being censored..
Would you like my HRID # or job classification ,or seniority date.Please understand some of us do not want any reprisals from the corporation .Given they are analyzing what we are posting .As for the Union I have a right to criticize their action ,lack of action or fumbled decisions that affect us . I don’t have to prove my identity to anyone let alone you. You have no right to tell any of us not to post here . It’s not your board and you are not the MODERATOR. But I will tell you this I have no problem speaking my mind and opinion at a Union meeting or to Regional or to National which I have and will continue to do until they actually listen to all of us .
Who are these anti union commenters 😂.
The comment section is open to everyone clearly lol
Do you guys actually work at Canada Post?
I’ve worked at 6 locations in my 4 years, and this is SO not the attitude of the actual postal workers. We are voting NO
And Canada Post, stop writing anonymous comments here, and go back to the negotiating table lol
As long as CUPW still takes our $100
We will say what we like.
Oh and if you want to go to Facebook and say you will be voting for the offer you get doxxed by the no folks.
How about Saturdays become a part of your regular 40 hour work week at regular pay like it is for many inside.
WOW! 4 years seniority! Work here for 30+ and then see how great you think CUPW is and the YES votes are the good workers which makes me think if you’ve been at 6 stations in 4 years well….no wonder you love CUPW
CPC has been so shady throughout the negotiations, I don’t know how anyone can take their side.
They mass fired hundreds of employees in Montreal which lead to delays in delivery. I was personally covering two routes for a month and had a burnout.
Then they rush to hire 250 employees in one shot.
Just to tell you how poorly managed they are. They have been missing money for YEARS! And they still receive bonuses, which is beyond me.
And now that it’s negotiation time, all the sudden “oh we are broke, we can’t keep your benefits, we have to take away your vacation leave to survive” Are you kidding me?
You have the largest infrastructure in Canada, how incompetent are you to be in this mess?
How have times did they leave the negotiation table already like a triggered teenager. NEGOTIATE! Don’t run away when we refuse to have our pensions cut and our future made miserable.
I’ve read your “best” and final offer. It’s improved but only because your previous offers were an insult to the backbone of your company.
I’ll be voting NO
Stand strong in solidarity
Few weeks of pay is the price we gladly pay to have fair working conditions and wages for ourselves AND future generations.
The corporate employer would even take away your weekend if they could. We stand against exploitation of workers at Canada Post
Stand in solidarity, and vote NO!
Solidarity is gone, CUPW has divided everyone with corruption and lies, Solidarity is voting Yes and removing CUPW also.. Dream on..
So says you with no proof whatsoever. Anyway soup, its your cpc overlords overflowing with corruption and lies. Nice try tho
In Canada, once a union is certified to represent a group of employees, management cannot bargain directly with those employees about the terms and conditions of their employment. The union becomes the exclusive bargaining agent for the employees in the designated bargaining unit. Any negotiations regarding wages, benefits, and working conditions must be conducted between the employer and the union.
This page, the link’s included here and the refusal to negotiate in good faith is a clear violation of our rights.
If management does not respect this principle and foundation of workers rights, what makes you think they will respect the stuff they are dandling in front of you?
Go cry CUPW boot licker, they’re only negotiating, they don’t have the right to accept or decline any offer. By law we are the ones that vote to accept it or not. Stop spreading propaganda and lies. We lost 5 weeks of pay, union goes on expensive holidays when they had a job to do and should be fined and fired. Union makes strike threats with 72 hr notice. Union is so broke they had to create arrears for us to pay just to have money. Worst union in existence, supporting radical groups. CUPW has divided the membership, now we take back control, go work somewhere else if you’re not grateful for the job we have whole so many people are unemployed. CUPW has Zero transparency and make shady side deals under our backs, enough is enough.. Don’t tell us how to vote or manipulate people with your misinformation.
I am not afraid of putting my name in your face, you?
You still haven’t answered the main question; why are they refusing binding arbitration. Because they know it’s easier to negotiate with anonymous people than an experienced Union with facts and knowledge.
Your post is exactly what management wants, clueless people voting on one point only.
Before you put your X on your ballot, look a temporary or part-time worker in the eyes and tell them you don’t care what happens to them!
Then when you realize that the dynamic delivery is not what the boss said it was, don’t go crying to the union, it’s your choice, so live with it.
Our choice is voting, not yours or the unions.. It’s the law, you’re all butt hurt because they union has divided us and we see the truth, the union afraid of transparency. You don’t like the CPC offers good elsewhere CUPW boot licker
The real question is; why are they refusing binding arbitration?
Binding; (of an agreement, contract, etc.) not allowed to be revoked or broken.
Arbitration; legal – the formal process of settling a disagreement by referring the matter to an arbitrator — Why is management refusing?
This info post was made to divided, management is negotiating with anonymous clueless people and they are laughing.
I can see big bonuses for management bargaining team….
It’s truly amazing how many people have no clue about their rights. People think they have the right to vote on every offer…they don’t. People think they have the right to say anything anytime anywhere…they don’t. Thank you for trying to explain to these Neanderthals the ACTUAL rights they have. Unfortunately, they’ll never understand.
So why is everyone willing to let Government trample over what rights we do have .As for free speech it is still a right but losing lustre due to safe space mentality and oversight. If you don’t like don’t listen if you can’t handle text don’t read it .
Never mind management the Liberal Government who oversees the Corporation has no respect for Federal Sector Unions .
The Union must be involved, they must have an input, to protect our health and welfare. Management cannot be trusted. The Union are the one most informed on what exactly management wants to change and the effect on our health, safety and wellbeing. Refusing to include the Union input demonstrates that management doesn’t care.
I have seen too many managers abusing handicapped employees, by sending them to a physiotherapy clinic, paid by CPC, to receive a 7 pages limitation expertise. Than having an insurance company, also paid by CPC, modify the said limitation expertise, to a 5 bullet point document to fit the job description management wants the handicapped employees to do.
When the handicapped worker conditions deteriorate, managers will fire them. If they can do that to a category of people protected by the Canadian Constitution, what’s in store for present workers?
The fact that management is trying to exclude the Union from the negotiations, is not acceptable. Management also refused binding arbitration WHY? We must question the way CPC bargaining units acted during the supposed negotiations.
In my book, the risk of abuse is real and dangerous.
CUPW boot licker, we have the right to vote.. it’s written in the Labour code and labor laws.. Union wants control, no Thanks, paying themselves Bonuses is enough theft
They are not trying to “exclude” CUPW from anything they are doing this as a last resort so we have jobs to go back to.The Union and all its groupies think its 1985 not 2025…Sure the Union had a lot more power in their heyday but that’s it the rear view mirror and they cant nor can any of you accept that.Theyll only be SATISFIED when the company goes belly up and trust me that’ll be sooner rather than later.I am leaving soon anyway.All the best standing in the unemployment line! Don’t forget your kool aid!
Yes they are trying to exclude the Union; Canada Post is refusing binding arbitration. WHY?
Why is CUPW afraid of their own membership voting on this offer?? This is the real IMPORTANT question??
The real question is; why are they refusing binding arbitration?
Binding; (of an agreement, contract, etc.) not allowed to be revoked or broken.
Arbitration; legal – the formal process of settling a disagreement by referring the matter to an arbitrator — both sides now agree to binding arbitration
Why is management refusing?
Mb the same reasons CUPW always avoided binding arbitration.
Solidarity is gone, CUPW has divided everyone with corruption and lies, Solidarity is voting Yes and removing CUPW also.. Dream on..
Cpc board are who committed theft when they paid themselves bonuses for driving corporation into the ground. Have another drink
CUPW has paid themselves Bonuses as well, you think they haven’t brainwashed you…? The millions of dollars missing from our dues, the corporation pays your bills, provides you benefits and a pension while CUPW takes it from you.. please save your CUPW praise for the other brain washed neanderthals.
Brainwashed… You want the truth, group two with your straight all the time have created this mess. Volume has been going down since the 1980 and you just ran faster; early start, no breaks, using your personal vehicle as a relay box, never take your diner break, must finish before noon and eat at home. Got to finish before the 3:00 pm traffic rush hour and get home to cook supper.
I met a retired mailman and he’s waiting for his hip replacement, his knees are always inflamed. Tendinitis and bursitis are his permanent friend. He’s only 64, and now he can’t enjoy his pension. That is the future for many of you.
Now management wants you to do dynamic delivery and you agree because you will just run even faster. It’s easy to blame the union behind a computer. Participate in monthly meetings, if you want change!
And it’s funny that you talk about pension and benefits but forget they were won by who; CUPW.
No to this garbage contract.
The most recent offer (May28/25) offer is a reasonable and very fair one. It is not garbage. Canada Post is loosing market share rapidly and must drastically change its operations. Its unfortunate that some employees refuse to recognize the need for change. At present Canada Post is technically bankrupt. If it wasn’t for taxpayer money, Canada Post would need close their doors, then these same employees would be walking the unemployment line not the picket line. Canada Post could eliminate some of their problems by formally closing their doors and expanding delivery service locations for their Purolator company.
It IS garbage
Speak for yourself if it’s garbage, Arbitration will get worse and you and the rest of the CUPW boot lickers will blame the government and CPC. Union screwed up everything, and we’re NOT getting any better, don’t believe their BS, if it’s garbage go find another job, so many people desperate for work while you defend a union with a 5% success rate negotiating contracts in 60 years..🤣 since 1965 they only signed 3 contracts, you’re the joke.. and if you don’t like it..leave
It IS garbage
We are losing contracts because; M.B. Manager insisted on a 20$ RTS fee from a client that was a daily Priority Post user. We lost that client for a lousy 20$.
Or how about the one that complained that his client package was stuck in Hull post office for 4 days. His email never answered.. We lost that one too.
Management thinks that our clients are not important. How many times have
I heard; we are the cheapest carrier, they will come back to us.
How wrong were they? Do they care? They blame the workers!
Canada Post lost its market share by informing their customers and the public if the pending postal disruptions. My bank,insurance company and credit card company were warned way back in April by the Corporation of pending disruption in May .They could have reassured everyone the mail will keep going and were seeking to finalize a contract .Plus we could have been given a final offer last year to avoid this .The corporations action was reckless from a business point of view . Almost as bad as Bud Light marketing .
You get what you’re worth. Find a better job with “skill set” if you think CP is that bad.
28 june 2025 in person voting.
Go find a job elsewhere then.. Canadians and CPC OWES YOU NOTHING.. CUPW boot licker
CUPW executive do seem rather arrogant and self-centered like they believe they are the center of the universe and they should have everything they want. I do believe we should not let the inmates run the asylum.
Cpc owes us everything because they screwed up everything and everybody that works for them. Any issues you have with the union are after that fact
Wrong, without CPC you would have nothing, constant failed negotiations from union is the reason Canadians don’t care for post office. The millions of dollars charities lost because of strike, Black Friday sales and ruining Christmas for everyone is all CUPW, not the corporation.. You’re the typical CUPW groupie
Im far from a cupw groupie. I never even mention them because I have my own free thinking unlike you and the ideas fed to you through your umbilical cord tying you to the mother ship. Stop your lying and look into the atest Angus Reid poll and see how much contrary to tour total BS, Canadians indeed cherish their postal service and do care about what happens to us. Stop stirring the pot with your false dreamed up bull crap.
How do we withhold our union dues? I am tired of paying CUPW. 25-30k over my working career. 55 000 employees paying 66million a year, for what. They should be paying us for poor representation. You do poor work you are usually let go so it’s time to go.
Easy. Quit your position and find a non-union one. Then you can regale us with how poor your wages and benefits are. 🙄
CPC management has done the worst job driving us into bankruptcy. Fire the CEO and executives first!
Pardon, its not CPC management that does the delivery of mail and parcels. Its the CUPW employees and far too many of them do a horrible job, disrepecting the public. CPC is loosing business because of bad service done by CUPW employees. CPC management is not responsible for everything that is going wrong
Are you freaking kidding? The workers are not the ones nor do they have the authority to flush 3 billion dollars, that’s right with a B, down the drain as these incompetent self centered supposed board of directors mismanaged to do. Pull your entire upper torso out of the sand and have a good look around. Read the new Angus poll which also clearly states full timer overtime weekends hardly ever happen so nice try with all the bs!
You should watch US Postal workers ,Fed Ex ,UPS workers on YouTube they are far worse .
when a business is losing untold millions of dollars a year they long increase wages how can taxpayers be expecting to increase the wages of a failing corporation, regardless of problem being mgt or staff?
With the same justification the CEO and executives use. “We need to pay more to attract and retain the top talent.” 🙄
The collective agreement is 620 pages!!! 620 pages for a workforce that moves boxes! 620 WOW!
It’s amazing isn’t. It’s so micromanaged that there isn’t a day that something doesn’t go as planned. The famous saying from our supervisors “well it SHOULD be like this or that” but it never is. They keep saying they need more flexibility, but they want a PDT to tell you when to take a piss?! These people are some of the least intelligent I’ve ever worked for… but it’s fun, cause I’m making bank
This corporation epitomizes all that has gone wrong with our once great Country. To be a young person growing up in todays Canada would be heartbreaking.
Vote no please. I need another free trip to Cuba! It’s hard being a retail cashier that only makes 32 an hour
And why aren’t YOU applying?
Probably cause they’re in management and enjoying their trips to Hawaii on the corporation’s dime.
Bingo
I have heard the vote will be June 28th. Anyone know how it will be organized?
Vote YES! If you don’t want to become homeless! Vote NO, you’re going to say OH NO!!
Vote yes and be saddled with a crap contract that compounds our cuts evermore into the future. Vote no to get a better contract.
The CPC final offer is the best offer to CUPW employees at this time. Despite what some people say, there is no more money in the kitty, CUPW executive and employees just have to, somehow, understand there is a cash flow problem and there is a limit to what can be offered them. For the sake of your families, please vote yes.
BA, can you tell us where you heard that June 28th was the vote 🗳??
I don’t know where that date came from, but nothing has been posted officially. I suspect that was a CUPW troll that posted that date. I’m sure when the real date comes out, all the information on how, where and when will be posted.
Agree, definitely not on a Saturday.
I heard the vote(s) will be in about 3 weeks. Don’t listen to that rumour. I know who started that rumour. Not really a fan of him right now.
All the new shop stewards with the last few years are ALL the type of employee that should never have been hired in the first place. Blame management for their poor hiring practices and the DEI mandate HR follows. Pathetic all around.
That’s always the type of person who’s interested in CUPW. The good workers avoid the union as much as possible.
They’re miles ahead of all the types that go into management. They’re overpopulated with entitled bullies who are just after their bonuses any which way they can get it. And plenty of DEI hires end up in management too. That’s why we’re going bankrupt.
Useless unqualified HR people that keep hiring more unqualified . What did you expect in Canada .
Just remember, that when this goes through, and only part time jobs are created going forward, it will completely erode the pension for anyone on it now, and anyone collecting in the future. I have friends that worked for Sears, they had a DB too… they got totally screwed. Same thing will happen here
If the employees don’t believe is a good deal ,why vote to accept
Such stupid talk
Ok, sure. Pensioners just got a raise, so explain that? Stop bullying and trying to scare members into voting to suit your narrative. Let people make their own decisions.
That’s not how government pensions work. Stop fear mongering
If you had done any research on our pension plan, that is through a crown corporation,is funded and paid out you wouldn’t post such a stupid comment.As far as I know Sears was never a crown corporation that had a pension plan that defaulted to the government to cover losses.Anyone collecting pension would not be affected and anyone currently on the plan would not be affected unless their pensionable earnings went down
Also, would like to mention that Nortel and CO-OP of Ontario former employees were royally screwed and did not get the pension amounts they should of. We don’t forget everything.
But if there is a 2 to 1 ratio of pt to ft and they get 40 hours due to extensions pension premium is still being collected .Union will still get dues from larger workforce of part timers.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/cupw-workers-vote-canada-posts-145910734.html
Everyone must listen to this!! Vote NO
How about don’t tell us how to vote CUPW boot licker. CUPW has screwed the business and were losing customers and the public .
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/most-canadians-would-support-reducing-mail-delivery-new-survey-finds/
Don’t tell us how to vote, a Yes will push CUPW out for all the trouble they’ve caused everyone, go find a job elsewhere if you’re pushing for Arbitration
A yes vote won’t push CUPW anywhere. You can continue to lick management boots. We’ll push for no vote, just like you’re pushing for the opposite. If you don’t like freedom of expression, go live in an authoritarian country.
It appears this is not about freedom of expression, Unfortunately, Canada Post management and employees have to put up with the current narcissistic personalities of CUPW executive. When is the next CUPW election?
You’re a CUPW boot licker, the same union we lost 5 weeks of pay and wants Gender specific benefits.. pushing Arbitration proves how much trash they are and you defending them confirms it.. Go find a job elsewhere where you get the benefits of CPC.. boot licker, maybe you got the shaft also.. We’re Voting YES
Heres what really annoys me about CUPW,I’m not sure what percentage of the membership knows this at least in part. They spend millions challenging the government in the supreme court, they win no monetary damages. The government changes one word on the legislation. Back at square one Where is the RETURN on all that energy invested. Every major plant should have an expertly trained CUPW member that knows the contract. Lets just start there. Maybe if CUPW was more professional the company goons could be held at bay. This is a fight about Egos.
CUPW has many ways to waste member’s money. They collect $67 million per year in dues. They have negotiated 2 contracts since 1965. Every other negotiation has ended in lock-out or strike. They are truly useless.
Well said and Exactly..
Man I wish everyone could have this same thinking 100% agree!!!
You didn’t stand with your brothers & sisters a few years ago. Now those members do not stand with you.
What are you talking about??
What?
Repeat, what are you talking about? Definitely more info is needed here.
Bet you carriers wish you still had LCUC. Hell half you kids don’t even know what LCUC was. CUPW did a great job erasing them.
Would love LCUC back. CUPW as a single entity has interests spread out too far and too thin
CUPW screwed the carriers and Arbitration will seal their fathers when door to door is removed, another CUPW success… Lazy PO4’S couldn’t last doing the job of a carrier, yet the useless union Screwed them out of flier pay, and crappy time values. The NEB and the president don’t even letter carry and people think they have their best interests when they don’t even know the job.. PO4’S shouldn’t even speak about work since they sit down all day complaining.. LCUC was good for the carriers, CUPW made sure the job wasn’t
Heard NEB is so desperate they are scrambling to visit plants to sway workers hahaha. Plant workers don’t give a crap about this contract and will be voting yes.
Let’s hope the majority of all members vote ‘yes’.
Thanks for your self centered statement. Here’s a little heads up for you, we are all on the same ship. If it goes down we all go down
Well its sinking pretty fast like the rest of the country .Make sure you keep your elbows up so they don’t get wet .
Yup
Not desperate, just informing members of what’s best for them. This is unlike the fear mongering management trying to scare employees into voting yes. I’m going to vote no.
You mean the fear mongering by CUPW to vote NO.. where and who in CPC is forcing a YES vote…? You CUPW boot lickers couldn’t lie to save your lives. CUPW and the boot lickers going around bullying people to vote NO, your statement is invalid and so is your integrity. We’re voting YES because times have changed and if you don’t like the Post office paying your bills, a pension and benefits, go and apply somewhere else.
Enjoy homelessness and food banks you backstabbers! Pepperidge farms remembers what y’all did to your supposed brothers & sisters.
I will be voting YES and look forward to your demise.
If we lose our homes will the union buy us a tent .
I hope they do buy me a tent, I soooooo dislike being in the rain and snow wearing my free company boots and jacket. Maybe they’ll buy me an umbrella. LOL
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/cupw-workers-vote-canada-posts-145910734.html
This is why I will NEVER vote YES! What Canada Post is doing is illegal and I’d rather lose my job than have my employer take away my rights!
You do you…
You’re so wrong. It’s completely legal and authorized by the government, the CIRB, and the Labour Board. Yes, it’s the right of all workers to vote, but if you don’t want to, that’s your choice.
That is not correct as per our Charter Rights and Freedoms!
“ Freedom of association guarantees the right of employees to meaningfully associate in the pursuit of collective workplace goals, which includes a right to collective bargaining.”
You DO NOT have the right to vote until the union deems it necessary, not the employer. Show me ANY legislation, labour code or law that says otherwise. You’re making stuff up to suit your needs.
The government does not care about ,the charter or our demonocracy. They only want things their way .We live in a dictatorship . Wake up .
Section 108.1 of the Canada Labour Code pertains to the Minister of Labour’s power to direct a vote on an employer’s last offer during collective bargaining if the Minister deems it to be in the public interest. This section allows the Minister to bypass normal bargaining procedures and have employees vote directly on the employer’s final offer.
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You obviously are forgetting about Section108.1 of Canada’s Labour Code.
Section 108.1 of the Canada Labour Code pertains to the Minister of Labour’s power to direct a vote on an employer’s last offer during collective bargaining if the Minister deems it to be in the public interest. This section allows the Minister to bypass normal bargaining procedures and have employees vote directly on the employer’s final offer.
An employer is well within their legal rite to ask Minister of Labour to direct a vote. What Canada Post management did is very much legal.
You know what the Government dictators can do with section 108.1 and where they can stick it .
Section 108.1 of the Canada Labour Code pertains to the Minister of Labour’s power to direct a vote on an employer’s last offer during collective bargaining if the Minister deems it to be in the public interest. This section allows the Minister to bypass normal bargaining procedures and have employees vote directly on the employer’s final offer.
Please read section 108.1 of Canada’s Labor Code.
You have the opportunity to vote on the final contract that Canada Post offered to CUPW.
Exactly what rights are being taken away?
The right to collective bargaining. That is the EXACT right being taken away by this forced vote.
If you don’t want to vote then don’t show up .If you feel your rights have been violated then make a written complaint to the appropriate Government Department .It will only take forever to be resolved because this Present and Previous Government never really cared about the rights of working Canadians .
Because canada post is a crown corporation the rules are different compared to what private corporations or companies can do during negotiations. Keep in mindThe corporation did offer binding arbitration in october prior to us going on strike… The corporation does have operating losses and needs to adjust to those new conditions… In regards to the vote, it’s not illegal. It’s a dispute mechanism that was agreed on and is the only way to proceed at this time?Binding arbitration guarantees you nothing you may be voting on less
Illegal? :):)… ok go and get another Job and let us work! Illegal is nothing burger strikes that only cause us to get more and more in debt, and unable to feed our families…
You go find another job, Arbitration will be worse and you can pay everyone who voted to work.. Enjoy McDonald’s
Canada Post isn’t doing anything illegal. They didn’t make the order to vote, they just asked.
They are not even allowed to ask!
Under Canada’s Labor Code an employer can legally ask for final contract offers to go for a membership vote (employer can ask Minister of Labor to order the forcing of the vote) (read section 108.1 of Canada’s Labor Code)
If you don’t know labour laws maybe call a labour lawyer, they are allowed, go read about it.. CUPW boot licker..
We are not being FORCED to vote just like we are not FORCED to vote in any federal, provincial or municipal election. If we do not want to vote we simply don’t vote. To make this even more simple for you, if CUPW presented the final offer to us for a vote like they should have in the first place, we are not FORCED to vote on it in order to ratify it. We get to choose whether we want to vote or not. I hope we all understand the difference between FORCED and VOLUNTARY. Class dismissed.
I hope you’re kidding about this. Because if you’re not, I know why there is a breakdown in intelligence with this company.
As per our Charter Rights, a union has the right to collective bargaining, here’s the snippet;
“ Freedom of association guarantees the right of employees to meaningfully associate in the pursuit of collective workplace goals, which includes a right to collective bargaining.”
For those that have “dismissed the class”, this means, in short, a company cannot force union members to vote on an offer. That can ONLY be done by the union’s negotiating committee. This is a direct assault on our Charter Rights…has nothing to do with if someone wants to vote or not, thus makes the forced voting process, not the individual right to vote, illegal. The Minister Of Labour has abused her power by allowing it to happen, just like they abused their power when they FORCED us back to work when we were LEGALLY striking!
Being forced to vote as a group is not the same as an individual being forced to vote once that illegal action has taken place. Please read your Charter before arguing.
The Government hates you and does not care about your concerns . You produce to much carbon and are a threat to the planet in their eyes.There is no dispute process in a dictatorship. Hope voting Liberal was worth it .
Whether youre for or against is up to you. Beware the majority of posts on this forum are artificially reproduced and rehashed. I would be willing to bet there are no more than 40-50 in total ( if even that many) posting for both sides. The toxic venom being spewed from both sides is nothing short of abysmal and offensive in many cases. Talk about a damned if you do or damned if you dont scenario but ultimately up to you. I hope the censors will post this because if they don’t it would explain a lot
No harm in reading the toxic venom comments they ate just comments .There is some truth in them. People just have to be willing to accept other opinions instead of trying to censor because they can’t handle the TRUTH .
Cupw crying it’s a threat to all unions and workers that we are allowed to vote. Canadian constitution which overrides all union constitution allows workers people to vote in elections and offers. The real threat is Cupw being dictators and putting fear into workers. DONT LET THEM PUSH YOU AROUND! GO AND VOTE ANYWAY YOU WANT.
Wow! You are so unbelievably wrong with that statement. Voting on an offer from your employer is 100% NOT your constitutional right. Please don’t make stuff up.
We have the constitutional right to vote, if you don’t know look up labour codes, labour laws or contact labour board instead of making stuff up CUPW boot licker..
No, you don’t! Tell me the section and paragraph in “labour codes, labour laws” that says you do. You have a right to vote on the people to represent you in your union. When your union decides a vote on an offer is warranted, THEN you have a right to vote. The misinformation on this thread is awful. The rights you have are the constitutional right to freely bargain or to strike, both of which have been taken away from ALL of us by Canada Post and the government in the last six months. Not knowing this is very troubling.
Go talk to a labour lawyer then Einstein, you have no idea the rights the membership has, all you CUPW boot lickers supporting a useless union that’s causing the business to fail and Canadians to stop supporting it. All the charities during Christmas and the Black Friday sales all lost because you think CUPW cares about us or the public. You don’t to pretend to show you’re uneducated, you’re doing a great job here.. GENDER AFFIRMING BENEFITS is such a priority, Cuba trips during negotiations, are for real right now..? Go stick your head in the mud and go find another job, Arbitration will sink everyone and CUPW will point fingers and unfair negotiations BS, government interference BS.. You do know CUPW begged the government to force us back to work because they’re broke..? Probably not, you do know by law the union has to be transparent with the demands right..? Guess what, secrets and lies, CUPW specialty
Please do yourself a favour. Stop talking and making an utter fool of yourself. Truly go find out and read the actual laws as written and not as you wish to misrepresent them
I defy you to quote one law, just one, that supports what you’re saying and opposes what I am. Please, educate us all!
They are above the law we are not .Can’t you see it .
Mayne not constional per se
But the vote is 100% legal and the righr of rhe company under the Canada Labour Code. CUPW can’t do anything to stop it and that’s why they’re in panic mode.
This is absolutely, 100% wrong. The company has absolutely no legal right to force a vote and retake away the ACTUAL right of the union to bargain freely. The only reason this is happening is because the Labour Minister is abusing her power and taking away all of our Charter Rights.
You mean 100% correct. Of course it’s legal under CIRB and the Canada Labour Code. It’s always been an option, this is just the first time Canada Post has asked to do it. Again, CUPW can’t do anything to stop it, no matter how much you whine and cry. It’s happening Lol.
Which is why many other unions are keeping an eye on all of this and ready to jump in
Thanks CUBAW dictator.
This proves this union is run by a bunch of Communists.
Another post from someone who lies to compensate for ignorance
Oh look the bootlicker defending the useless union that ruined Christmas for all of Canada.. CUPW forcing arbitration is another L, you losers better hope it doesn’t go or else it will be worse. Also if you don’t know ask about past Arbitrations, we lost more than we gained.. CUPW is weak and useless, spending money on trips and risking the company to shut down for good. Trolls, get a life, We’re Voting YES
What did you think our union and country was a democracy run by capitalists or free thinking individuals . Where have you been the last 35 years .
Absolutely agree 100%!!
This LC is voting YES! MAKE CANADA POST GREAT AGAIN!
Yes. It’s just the kool aid kids and commies voting NO.
That’s why CUPW is in full blown panic-mode. They know there’s not enough CUPW groupies to reach 50% +1. Not only that, the vote will be conducted fairly since CUPW is not in charge of it.
Thank you Edmonton Oilers . Making it to the Stanley Cup finals is a great accplishment two years in a row.Maybe next season you’ll win.,Third times the charm. Go vote
Thank you to all the people who make funny comments. In these times of uncertainty and division among cupw ,cpc and workers,laughter is great medicine…and it’s free. Lol
I for one think it’s great that Cpc and Cupw get bonuses and trips and hardly work. Hope that continues..as for the rest of,to frinkin bad. Let your jealous and envy rise to the top.
The truth hurts
After a YES vote where will the lazy get employment??
Looks like the food bank will get new customers as NOBODY will hire you!
Ummm…. cpc DID request arbitration in october, and the union gave a hard no. Then, cupw issued a 72 hour strike notice in november when cpc annouced changes to work rules with the contract expiring…NOT a cpc lockout
Yes, CUPW was about 8 months too late agreeing to arbitration. If they had agreed in October, we never would have had a strike. Every full-timer would bot have lost more than $5000. Canada Post would not have lost $200 million in business. Now CUPW wants arbitration? This union couldn’t be dumber if they tried.
Amen!!!
CUPW should change it name to CHUMPS. Vote yes.
NATIONAL EXECUTIVE BOARD. STRONGLY URGE YOU TO VOTE. NO! ALSO URGE YOU TO APPRCIATE THEIR RIGHT TO GO ON VACATION ANYWHERE THEY WANT…WITH YOUR DUES. AND LASTLY DEMAND YOU WORKERS ALLOW THEM TO CONTROL ALL ASPECTS OF YOUR LIVES AND LIVELIHOODS. YOU DO NOT OBJECT EVER.
I have just received my second order cancellation by Amazon on the basis that my community is served only by Canada Post and thus the current ‘service interruptions’ preclude Amazon from delivering any mail or parcels to us. This could be construed as a propaganda move from a company which is dedicated to anti-unionism. However for those here who are advocating getting rid of Canada Post and relying on private couriers don’t forget to ask your government to make sure private couriers are mandated by law to deliver to ANY address in Canada—as Canada Post is. This includes hundreds of ‘unprofitable’ routes as ours is deemed at the moment according to Amazon. And along those lines it is unconscionable of our Government to mandate universal delivery and still expect Canada Post to compete with couriers who have no such mandate.
There are pros and cons of living in remote areas. All factors should be considered when choosing an area to live. That said, the Government shouldn’t be permitted to dictate rates to Canada Post. Canada Post should charge what it costs to deliver letter mail and parcels. If that means those in remote areas are paying more, that’s life.
Wow ! Listen to Johnny come lately swooping in and wanting to penalize those who freely choose where to live. Canada is the 2nd largest land mass country in the world. There is a reason CANADA POST is a crown corporation serving ALL Canadians as a service tasked with delivering to all anywhere in Canada. Its the fair and right thing to do. Not just cherry pick in the larger denser markets unlike FedEx and UPS etc, all AMERICAN for profit driven companies I might add. Cpc was never intended to and never will make money with that charter mandate that is a necessary evil. Those trying to compare to profit driven companies are off the mark. Shame on management for trying to imply and make people think we’re losing money ( outside of their collosal mismanagement and spending) when that was part of the deal since day one. And shame on the govt for not having the courage to stand up and support that necessary mandate and remind Canada post who the real boss is.
That is not life. You are so wrong on so many levels. They’re a crown corporation to serve Canada not a publicly traded company answering to investors!
Interesting replies. One respondent seems to believe all decisions are individual and should be paid for whatever the cost. Further the government should not be allowed to ‘dictate’ costs but I am unsure whether a government is still allowed to ‘dictate’ public schooling. public health care, public highways, public water and sewage,etc. In short would the respondent have remote citizens pay higher costs for these services as well? Or do citizens through their government have the ability to ‘dictate’ universal services such as postal delivery?
The respondent who came to the defence of universal services still seems to feel they might be a ‘necessary evil’ rather than a universal benefit although I may be misinterpreting this.
I apologize to the universal service supporter; I see now that the use of ‘necessary evil’ refers to the government demanding that Canada Post make a profit. Sorry about that.
Amazon ,Fed X, UPS are too cheap and lazy to service rural delivery in any form .They just make a CPC label and pay the difference and get CPC to pick it up .Saves them money and they don’t have to assign a driver losing time to drive longer distances .
I’m voting yes!!! because we really need those. It’s not perfect, but a strike could hit us all hard again. Better to secure what we have now and keep fighting later. YES!
i agree
We don’t need a crappy contract. I’m voting no.
This offer is as good as we can expect, given the dire situation CPC is in. As someone in their last few years before retirement, I think voting YES truly IS looking out for the livelihoods of newer workers. They need the corporation to get back on its feet to have the same careers we’ve had. The counterintuitive behaviour of CUPW is actually hindering any possibility of recovery and growth.
Voting YES without hesitation.
I call bs. If you’re truly in the ast few years you’ve been with the company a long time and for you to vote yes is you just hedging your bets because your getting ready to retire. Just remember the new guys are the one carrying your and eventually my pension going forward
Only if the pension. Is still there for them .
https://www.cirb-ccri.gc.ca/en/resources/application-revocation-bargaining-rights
De de certification
Great idea!
Aaahahahahaaaahhhaaaa!! Good luck!! You need over 21,000 votes just to start the process. If you can get more than 100 I’ll give you my car!
Very generous of you to give away your car. Yes according to the Canada Labour Code if 30% of members sign, then a decertification vote must be held.
We’ll get 41000+ union can eat a bag of dimes and you can go with them looking for a new job.. Bye boot licker..
You can call me all the names you want, but you’ll never get even 100 votes. Prove me wrong. Tell us all your name and where we can sign your petition. It’ll never happen….corporate boot licker…
Better get yourself a TTC pass…seriously.
CUPW has less credibility than CPC, and that’s saying something.
To the Minister of Jobs and Families,I am available if you need an assistant. Cupw executive about to lose my job.
I think they only hire adults at the Ministry. Sorry.
So ZERO flyer pay and full coverage daily for everything except dynamic routes. STD, LTD, and workers comp claims are going to skyrocket. The answer is full CMB, but wait that effects the union business.
Not a single gain for outside carriers in 20 plus years. When are the members going to open their eyes? CUPW needs to be DECERTIFIED!!!
Huh? That’s not in the offers anywhere. Y U make things up bro?
Union agreed to eliminate flier pay for bad time values, if you were a letter carrier you’d understand, but you a lazy PO4 who is probably article 54 and sort 1 letter an hour and cry when you chip a finger nail..
I’m applying for other jobs. Should I use Cpc and or Cupw as a reference. After all they are both trustworthy,right. Pls advise
Don’t use CUPW, because no one wants a boot licker as a reference.. The union of theft, job destruction and pissing off Canadians and charities.. Costing company millions in losses and the President at the buffet instead of doing actual work.
Oh stop the bs
Here is a solution to this dilemma. All the logical employees that actually want to work and refuse to be bullied by CUPW – vote YES. All those living in a dream world that are unable to think for themselves so need CUPW to do it for them – vote NO. When the dust settles and the YES vote wins then the NO voters can move on and take CUPW with them. The winners then can interview a few select third party professional unions and hire the best of the best to represent us. Canada Post will be the better for it with a leaner and more efficient workforce. When the money starts to roll in, introduce profit sharing. It’s that easy folks.
I’m with you.. Let’s do this, and the No’s can find another job..
I will not spread any lies that don’t benefit me or my fellow workers. I will not spread any truth that benefit me or my fellow workers .I believe the Toronto Maple Leafs will win the Stanley Cup next year.
It’s funny. I’m a p04 making a good wage. On vacation I go to Maya Riveria Cancun and stay at a 5 star all inclusive resort. CUPW executives go to Cuba and stay at a run down resort. Explain to me like I’m a CUPW executive how can i a worker stay at a top resort and they stay at a bottom resort.?
The difference is you pay for your own vacation. Even if CUPW isn’t at a 5-star, it’s still a free vacation over and over again. Paid for by all members, of course.
I have given CUPW vote of confidence. Smart workers know what that means. CPC does require suchness.
Dont you mean non-confidence?
We need LCUC to comeback , or a new union by real Letter Carriers, for Letter Carriers
to protect the stubborn and lazy?
Sorry, Charlie, the days of 8 for 4 are over.
Who does 8 for 4? Certainly not me
We saw during CV we dont Canada Post to the capacity they think. They are like the VCRs of delivery service options today. Not to mention the amount of $ lost due to mismanagement of finances..so no thanks not on my tax dollar thanks.
your taxes do not subsidize canada post.
I completely agree, however, so you can feel a little better, Canada Post does not directly use tax dollars. In 1981 they became a crown corporation that operates (supposed to operate) using their own income from the sales of their products and services etc…not Canadian tax dollars.
In saying that, the gov’t has financially assisted CPC of late, but that money is in the form of loans and requires repayment.
The VCR analogy is perfect. Far behind the times and tons of red tape with Union battles.
I mean, we had to wait around for 45 min today for a truck from Albert Jackson! If they can’t even organize truck on time, how will they organize routes each day? Have you seen these soups?!
The worst supervisors are the ones that jump from the union to the corporation
That’s most of them now. Because they couldn’t do the LC job, and certainly not for the mere $22 bucks they get
Abolish Canada post. Everyone can go pickup their mail and Amazon parcels in Ottawa. Bam. Problem solved!!!
And their groceries and medications too
I’m just curious, after 5 years of $300+ mil dollar losses per quarter, that with no mail, or parcels, we somehow only lost $41 mil. Oh yeah, they were told by the government to cease spending. Look at that, money saved. Imagine if they stopped giving out those bonuses? Even with no volumes we would have made money!! Goes to show you what is happening here. There is more than enough to provide people with a good job and good service to Canadians without being greedy.
I agree with the no bonuses and the heavy payroll of upper management and the CEO, but also believe in 8 hours pay for 8 hours worked…(not 4).
What you don’t understand is that the “bonus” is cheaper than just paying the full amount in salary. It isn’t guaranteed, not pensionable and has moving targets. If you think that it’s not fair to get a “bonus”, they would much rather have the higher salary and not have anything At Risk. That’s why the company want to give you a signing bonus instead of an extra 1~2%
I believe CUPW made mistake in asking for us to postpone negotiations for 2 years back in 2021. I believe they are making another mistake by “advising” on a no for this offer. If you go to the full details on the offer and read the 2 page introduction – 2 comments stood out for me. “We want to be clear- Canada post is at the absolute end of its financial capacity.” And the other statement is “bottom line we are out of time”, “we must act now to save Canada post – before it’s too late. We are at a defying moment – one of shared responsibility.” To me this says in order for us to have jobs we all need to work together or we may not have a job. I think if it’s no then a lockout will follow with an eventual collapse of Canada post. What will the union do for us if the employer folds up their tent? I’m reading the full document to make my decision.
If the union had negotiated back in 2021, we could have asked for a better raise. Inflation was high then. Now it’s back below 2%. CUPW always ruins negotiations. They have no idea how business or the economy work. Thankfully, we can bypass the CUPW NEB and vote directly this time.
It’s funny isn’t it?
That Canada Post was losing money hand over fist ( that’s their reports) but the executives at Canada Post had no concern….spending money on a new parcel sorting facility, buying new trucks that are just sitting in parking lots not being used….
Conveniently, negotiations time comes around….oh my god, we’re in a financial crises…
Oh… let’s not forget their ongoing bonuses for management….
The improvements or modernization of the Post Office is. what will keep you working….
Hindsight is 20/20. This is NOT the place to have a conversation. You only feed the boss.
28 June 2025 voting day…
Where did you see that? I can’t find that info.
June 28 is a Saturday…who says we are voting on the 28th
There is absolutely zero information to support this. Stop sending misinformation!
june 28 voting day….
Just like this corp, mess with your holidays last winter, now your summer. When we vote NO you can guarantee they will lock us out, since the government will be on holidays…that’s the way this place runs
Vote No you’ll be out of a job, our Yes Votes will be working.. enjoy unemployment
You must be a boss. Pathetic. You understand nothing.
lol there won’t be a lockout, would’ve happened already
The economy is so fragile that the Government would not let any Federal sector industry be locked out .By any employer.
Great news. It’s so nice to have a vote and not be controlled by rhe CUPW NEB. For those worried about bullying and harassment, remember you don’t have to tell anyone how you’re voting. The vote is private and we all have the right to vote.
I have no problem telling my local how I am voting. I don’t walk in lockstep
with the union
Stop spreading misinformation.
Big Beautiful YES!
Are that a 2nd Yes
Make that a 3rd Yes.
LOL!
CUPW thinks every job at Canada Post should have the same wage. Next time cupw goes to Cuba they should stay there as Cuba represents their philosophy and the struggle will END.
I approve this also.. Well said, we don’t need them..
Cuba guy is back!
Cuba is a workers paradise. That’s why people cross sharke infested ocean on home-made rafts to get away from it every year. But for the CUPW NEB it’s a dreamland.
This must be your 1000th post on Cuba by now
Does that make you want to book a trip. If you’re a member of the NEB you can, at member’s expense of course.
Was there on an all inclusive with the wife. Food wasn’t very good
You know what’s funny, any post I’ve seen comment about CUPW taking their trips to Cuba, I’ve never seen CUPW dispute that claim, why? because they can’t!! That’s where our dues go!!
But they don’t really. Cupw is fighting for carriers to have over time. They aren’t fighting for any plant workers to make more money. This whole strike is because carriers want to be paid for 8 hours and work for only 4 or 5.
The Cuba guy with his 2000th post!
Welcome to CUBAW where the union elite waste our money on frivolous causes and lose most of their cases.
Canada Post workers should vote to decertify the union (fire CUPW) and get new representation.
Yes, we need a union that cares and works for us, we don’t work for them.. Teamsters doing well with Purolator.. CUPW a bunch of buns supported by bums.. They’ve done nothing for the membership but give us stress..
I think you’re right. It seems like the laziest, worst workers in any depot or plant are always attracted to CUPW. Most do it jist to get out of actually working. It would be nice to have a union thay was professional and modern, and actually served it’s members.
The union is a sum of its members so maybe take a hard look in the mirror.
Well I disagree with CUPW when they’re wrong, which is most of the time. That’s why I’m glad I get a chance to vote ‘yes’. Thanks for your input though.
Letter carriers should create a new union.
Hence, we should certify CUPW.
You people are dumber than wood. You are being played by the corporation on their own website. No wonder postal workers lose ground every four years. Never read dumber comments by so-called union members. You vote yes you get what you deserve.
And youre so smart why? You’re being played by a 1970s Union who think its still the “Glory years” and wont get with the times…Keep drinking the kool aid and we’ll see who’s dumb as wood!
The pro-YES comments… they’re right.
No one likes change, but change is coming whether we like it or not.
I’m 100% in favor. No one is forcing me to vote — I want to vote.
Do I feel intimidated because some people are against it? Absolutely not.
You have to shake off the crazies with a cold splash of reality 🤣
You’re right — no one likes change. However it’s obvious to any logical person that things have to change. Status quo is not sustainable; no amount of feet stomping and closed eyes will make that reality go away. Layoffs and cutbacks are necessary. It’s time for CUPW to ask if they want 20-25% less Members at Canada Post, or ZERO Members at Canada Post.
If you volunteer to be part of that 20 -25% being let go I’m cool with that. Thanks
That’s right and for once every one of us gets a voice. The best part, we don’t have to sit through a CUPW propoganda meeting before we vote. Also CUPW isn’t in charge of the ballots so the vote will be fair.
Exactly!
Absolutely! Well said!!
The vast majority of low-skilled workers in Canada are near minimum wage, have the bare minimum holidays, have zero job security and have absolutely no pension. No perks, no benefits, nothing.
CPC is a losing proposition – it will fail and the government will stop bailing it out. All Union members will be in the same boat as everyone else if they continue demanding something that is impossible to give.
Vote YES!
So many people complaining they don’t want to work 8 hours — if you had an office job, that’s exactly what you’d be doing: 8 hours.
Don’t like the job? Then go work at McDonald’s or Walmart.
You vote NO, we’re back to square one. You want another strike? A lot of us don’t.
Don’t wanna work in the summer? Take your vacation….
You barely do your job, speed through it just to get home and chill — and then you’re shocked when the supervisors call you out?
The union made everything way more complicated than it had to be.
I don’t feel forced to vote — I’ve got every right to speak up, and no one’s deciding for me.
That 5-week strike? That was forced.
Going back to work? Hell no, that wasn’t forced.
Seriously, stop the drama and vote YES.
Be careful and be wary of comments that include references of trips to Cuba, the threat of all of us having to go work at McDonalds or wal mart, the fear of having a worse contract with arbitration, etc. these are things posted to generate doubt and fear, y a few CPC employees whose job it is to spread this misinformation
But they’re all true. Counter each point and prove otherwise.
Cupw goes to Cuba yearly with money they receive from Canada Post. They could use this money for members, perhaps to offset and keep dues lower but no they choose Cuba.
This is a FACT.
Are you the infamous Cuba guy?
I agree 100%
I have no desire to visit CUBA a communist country at my own or a unions expense.
I already worked at McDonald’s as a youth it was my first real job .It paid for all my high school entertainment and trips.They wanted to make me a manager not because I was bossy but because I was a good worker. I left for more money pursuing my trade.
McDonalds is not the same as it was when I worked there. It’s pure Corporate now .I worked for an private owner who purchased the franchise restaurant.
As for Walmart I would never work for them . Not because they are non union .But because of their Corporate policy towards employees . Also not into dorky team cheers before starting shift.
As for arbitration union was always against it in past so why for it now .Especially in 2011 when we voted yes for the crappy contract under Harper Government instead of going to arbitration.
Not here to spread misinformation just share truths and opinions so people don’t have to be afraid .
All inside positions at Canada Post have always been 8 hours. It’s a strange complaint, wanting to continue working 4-5 hours for 8 hours pay. No wonder the public doesn’t support CUPW.
No one is complaining about working 8 hours. The days of working 5 hours has been over for a long time. Working in ssd is a nightmare, you can’t sort your own route, have to carry multiple bundles plus admail, and with dynamic routing, it makes it even worse.
A nightmare? A lot of carriers handle it just fine. You can put your mail together on the cart for walking sections. For CMBs or panels it makes no difference. Maybe some carriers are just better? Oh well, you can always transfer to an inside position. But remember, those positions actaully work 8 hours.
Then transfer inside if its so hard
Thats crap…The gravy train is over and every LC I’ve talked to is complaining about working a full day…
CUPW cost many of us $7000 in lost pay we will never get back.
That’s exactly right. I also lost $7000 for nothing. If you don’t believe this, just compare your T4s from 2023 and 2024. Now they’re costing members overtime pay which many rely on. They still collect more than $1200 a year from each of us though.
If you vote YES, then, yes, you lost $7000 for nothing.
Except if we’d beem allowed to vote in Canada Post’s first offer back in October there would have been no strike. None of us would have lost any money.
Yes yes yes. Vote yes. Or be locked out and get worse later
Part of the government and company want the “no” vote so they can completely dismantle CPC. They know it is easier to completely fold it, cut it up and privatize most of it.
In this economic environment there is absolutely zero chance the union is going to get a better offer than what is on the table now. They’re hanging on trying to save their own face because they should have done better with all this a year ago. They messed up and are now risking everyone’s fortunes. Take the deal and run!
The union is pushing no vote, not the government or CPC so they can sustain the company. Don’t mix the 2 as the union is the enemy in this situation. Wasting 18+ months countless meetings for the end to force arbitration..? The enemy within is CUPW, CPC wants to get working for Canadians and Canada again, just like those that will vote Yes.
Voting yes will only hurt YOU the workers.
VOTE NO!!!
It beats voters remorse.
CUPW could have prevented a lot of suffering by asking the federal government if they are going to subsidize Canada post. Instead they act like CP will be subsidized even though amounts given contain the word LOAN.
What horrible representation
because most of you cupw sheeps turned your backs on your bros & sisters during covid I support the yes vote for that reason alone. cupw and those who supported this nonsense can have a dose of their own medicine now. enjoy!
you didnt care about those who went into debt and couldn’t pay their bills. enjoy losing your homes and defaulting on your bills :))))))
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Hahahahhhahhaaaaahahahhaaaahahahahahahah!!
This is the funniest comment I’ve seen on these threads!! Thank you so much for that laugh!
Aaahhhaaaaahhhahahahahahahahahhahahahahaa!!
This is a sad truth nobody likes to talk about any longer.
Because it’s ridiculous!
Not really. Think what you may of the personal choice, but there was no solidarity for an individuals personal and private choice, YET here we have a bunch of nutters telling others how to vote in the name of sOlIdArItY.
What is hilarious is what you probably injected into your body. Enjoy your unemployment and irreparable damage you have have done to yourself. Now that is HILARIOUS.
I’m so tired of anti-vaxxers telling me I’m going to die from the safest vaccine ever administered in the history of the world. You’re still kicking after a dozen vaccines as a kid…but the billions of people that took the COVID vaccine will up and go any minute now! Unbelievable!
That’s all the pro dumb mandater’s too oblivious to what was going on and only cared about their own jobs .Meanwhile union promotes getting jab because they were scared to challenge Liberal Government mandates. The whole workforce should have WILDCATTED against the mandates .
Sorry….THATS the funniest comment I’ve seen on these threads!!
Hhhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaaaaa!!!
You’re right. It proves two things. There is no solidarity it is nothing more than a catchphrase. The union and most members are weak. Because of these two reasons I don’t feel bad for them for what is coming and actually enjoy it.
Its called KARMA now you know how NOAH felt . What goes around come around in due time .
What has CUPW done for its members lately? Those hired after 2014 got a worst contract, flyer pay was cut in half about 5 years ago( but we gained time values :):)), last contract w ent to binding arbitration, we lost 1000$ signing bonus and yearly raises were less then what CPC was initially offering, past December we lost 1 month worth of salaries for a nothing burger strike….
Ain’t trusting CUPW, I’ll vote YES!
This^
7 years or more to get to maximum pay. How is that fair cupw?
Don’t forget that Canada Post suggested sending all unresolved issues to arbitration back in October before the strike happened. CUPW totally refused. We went on a six week strike and all lost thousands of dollars for nothing. Now they’re taking away members chance to make extra money with their ‘overtime ban’. What a joke they are, although not funny. But workers grt the last laugh, now that we actually get a vote. I’ll vote ‘yes’.
First of all, Canada Post did NOT want arbitration back before the strike, during the strike, and certainly not before asking for a forced vote on their Final offer.
Secondly, Canada Post’s final offer will ELIMINATE overtime for full time letter carriers.
Your seniority will virtually be gone.
Canada Post issued a lockout notice, forcing CUPW to go on strike to avoid layoffs from Canada Post.
The new hires will be getting the overtime, NOT the full time carrier.
Meanwhile you will be burdened with more work due to load leveling…and you wouldn’t own a route.
This is just a few reasons why you should vote no.
Read offer #2 dated Oct 29th. Outstanding issues will be sent to arbitration. Take off your rose colored glasses and see the truth. It was there plain as day in black and white. Also the fact that the union never supports arbitration as it goes against our collective bargaining rights.. now they want it?! Make up your mind .. set that precedent and you can never go back !! Great job CUPW!! I’ll be voting yes just to end the charade
Ummm…. cpc DID request arbitration in october, and the union gave a hard no. Then, cupw issued a 72 hour strike notice in november when cpc annouced changes to work rules with the contract expiring…NOT a cpc lockout
Quit spreading lies. You continue to ramble on about a lockout notice that was given AFTER the 72 hour strike notice given by CUPW; and instead of doing rotating strikes and trying to negotiate, the entire company gets shut down at the busiest time of the year. CUPW’s refusal of CPC’s offer to pay for employee benefits while on STRIKE shows how much CUPW cares about its members.
Overtime will still be offered by seniority, so quit lying about that, too. The difference will be reduced OT opportunities for those LCs who work 5 hours a day and get paid 8 hours, then take OT splits and still finish within their 8 hour day.
Load leveling has been done in parcels hubs for twenty years, it works just fine; if you think this change is too much for you, transfer to an MSC or PO4 position. Or maybe take your seniority with you and become a Supervisor since it’s such an easy gig; all they do is count elastic bands, right? You have several options if you struggle to cope with the proposed changes.
It is not unreasonable for an employee being paid eight hours to work eight hours. The current delivery model is flawed, without change we continue down the road of potential bankruptcy and bailouts.
Status quo will be the death of CPC.
The whole point is to eliminate overtime for everyone. CPC is broke, paying overtime doesn’t work!
Yes vote=ssd, dynamic routing, larger routes,no overtime possibility, and it also set us up for more cuts, including inside workers next contract. Choose wisely
Union has already set up CPC to fail and because of CUPW the letter carriers got SSD. CUPW is an epic fail so don’t try and cover up for a union that’s not transparent with its offers and how much the CUPW steal from our dues. If the union wasn’t broke they’d call strike instead of make noise, now all you CUPW boot lickers telling everyone vote No to force us to get less in arbitration
You will still get overtime after 8 hours of work.
Right now many LCs work 4 hours and get paid for 8 hours plus any OT all within a 8 hour work day.
I don’t know any other job that allow workers to work less than 8 hours a day, and receive OT within a 8 hour work day.
^truth! If I had a business, my peers would say I was crazy if I paid all my employees for 8 hours work plus overtime if they were only working 3-6 hours a day. And when I go bankrupt, they would surely say I deserved it. Good Luck ALL, hope there can be give on both sides.
All of you who want a no result what real evidence do you have that you will get something better? Do you realize that with a no vote given six months from now you could be running from warehouse to warehouse with your “impressive ” resume hoping for a 20$per hr job?? We have been lucky no student loan and making a respectable wage.what makes us more deserving than our basement dwelling classmate?
What evidence do you have it wont?
History, arbitration has always been less than what was originally offered. Funny how cupw all of a sudden seems to think arbitration is a good thing??!!
And you are sure a yes vote will offer guarantees? With a yes vote, anyone with only a few years in will be burnt out by the time they hit the 10 year mark.
8 hours a day is not hard, it is easy to find people to work 8 hours a day lol nobody in the plant is burnt out from working 8 hour days lifting heavy parcels the whole time.
With a yes vote we know what we are getting. SSD, dynamic routing, and the inside workers are next up to see changes. It won’t be for the better.
Well CUPW is so sure of them selves. Yes both sides need to get their act together. But CUPW does not give a shit about the public, its members nor if there is A Canada Post left ! So think twice on your vote – if you still want a job to go to
The fear and uncertainty is cpc’s playbook every time. Cry poor and yet find 55 million for a bonus payment, where you will receive a little more than half.
Be wary of some of the posts on this forum that are obviously created by CPC. Things like a no vote means privatization. I things like a no vote means cupw tyrants will continue to hold us hostage. Things like a no vote means we will all be working at wal mart. Things like a no vote means final offer selection and it will be worse than what is proposed now. These are posts meant to divide and sow fear. Thankfully most people see past this and know what is real.
I agree that a ‘no’ vote doesn’t mean privatization. But a ‘no’ vote does mean Canada Post will continue to lose money at record rates. That’s bad for the company and CUPW members. Anyone with common sense knows Canada Post needs to change and if CUPW had accepted this we could have fought for realistic things like a better wage increase. Intelligent workers will vote ‘yes’ realizing we need to have a healthy Canada Post so we can all keep working here.
At least someone seems rational and not shortsighted and greedy
Losing money, but somehow found 55 million to pay a bonus?
Exactly.
Not really. Imagine we haven’t had ANY parcels for the last six months, but surprisingly we only lost $41 mil in the first quarter. What happened to the -$300+ mil losses? Because they we told to stop spending money. Now if they just stopped handing out their bonuses, we would have actually made money with zero contracts! That is very telling.
I agree 100%. Don’t give into the bullying and b.s. Use your own brain and your own voice when voting. Whichever way you decide to vote, make it your decision. I personally don’t understand how cupw thinks arbitration is the answer?? Let’s get this done already so we can get on with work. (No I am not a CP sup, I am a CUPW member that’s had enough!!!
You sound desperate, your gravy train has left the station.
We, the workers will decide by democratic vote, the next vote will be to dump CULTW.
Not desperate, I only have 2 years to go. I feel bad for anyone with a lot of time to go. You will be burnt out after 5 years with what they have in store.
I’m with Buzz, remove CULTW
I have read the whole 507 page offer and the summary version accurately represents it for people who don’t want to waste their time reading 507 pages of contractual text. If you do, it’s available for reading, so stop complaining that you can’t read the whole offer.
The offer is overall fair given the current financial situation and market, I will 100% be voting yes and will adapt to the changes. And yes, I’m a LC currently walking a foot route in a depot not yet switched to SSD, so I know lots of changes coming my way. But, I want my job to last to retirement so change is necessary, it’s not 1970 anymore.
Under ssd and dynamic routing, you will not last 35 years. Ask any person working in ssd and they will tell you the same.
With full CMB implementation workers will definitely be able to last 35 yrs or more if they wish too.
An arbitrator will not give better than that final offer…
Yes, you’re right, they never do. It’s just magical thinking from CUPW who do not want to accept reality. The CUPW NEB doesn’t actually care about the final result. No matter what happens rhey can just blame the arbitrator and the government like they always do. But if we as workers vote ‘yes’, then that’s a complete rejection of CUPW. It’s our choice this time.
Arbitration will give you a worse contract, they will privatize, the company is broke, the changes are not that big a deal, you will be looking for a new job, these are all things that are repeated to us every single contract. It’s the same lines we are told, just a different day. Read the comments, you will find the ones that are really trying to sway a yes vote. Most people see through this
Maybe, but there is a chance we do get a better offer, instead of taking this one. This will be the worst offer we get, even in arbitration. Why not take a chance?
It’s always been worse than final offer, what are you on to think it will be better..? The CIRB is doing the vote, the same people who wrote the report. So don’t think for a minute a NO vote will get better because it NEVER has, if you were here long enough you’d know that.. But obviously you don’t, so don’t try to convince others it will be better, CUPW is trying to do that right now, instead of telling us why they didn’t strike, why they’re broke and why they’re complete and utter failures all the time negotiating.. 5% success rate in 60 years is pathetic..
Its not that the corp refuses to negotiate…their hands are tied financially….remember the billion dollar loan they just got!
Voting no is voting yourself out of a job!…
Having said that a yes vote is not good either
They found 55 million for a bonus payment, they are not as broke as they say.
You mean like the unions Executivesand President taking in over $50+ million for themselves..? Where’s the millions the union has made the last 4 years…? You know the $280+ million dollars..?
sorry but the next real offer will be they are bankrupt.
A no vote will push the company into more insolvency…not sure why the union refuses to get that!lucky to have jobs at all at this point….vote yes
lol more CPC paid posters
Well technically all CUPW members are ‘CPC paid posters’ since that’s who pays us. It’s certainly not CUPW. In fact, we pay them, more than $1200 a year. They’re supposed to work for us.
Technically cupw posters do their posting here as the CUPW website doesn’t let us have a voice.
Democracy and the right to vote is important. Canada Post is bleeding with lost business from the strike in November. This is business that will never come back and you can pretty much be guaranteed, the Government of Canada will not be coughing up another $1 billion dollars to keep the lights on and make payroll. Changing times means changing infrastructure and processes and adapting accordingly. If you don’t adapt, guaranteed, CPC will be privatized. Think about what happened in January 2012 when Kodak refused to change their processes and adopt and accept digital photography into their business structure. That hesitation resulted in bankruptcy and the same will happen to CPC over time.
The threat of privatization has been floated when I started in the early 90’s and always comes back around contract time.
CUPW is telling its members to vote NO on Canada Post’s final offer — not suggesting, telling. This is a union funded by its members, not the other way around. CUPW doesn’t pay members’ wages, yet it’s attempting to dictate how they vote on something that directly affects their livelihood. That’s not leadership — that’s control. When a union crosses the line from advocacy into outright pressure, it starts to look a lot less like democracy and a lot more like a dictatorship.
Hey soupy, CUPW is advising us to vote NO on an offer that should not even be voted on. This vote was forced on the membership. Bring us a real offer and our vote would be next step.
Appreciate the reply — but calling people names like “soupy” isn’t exactly a strong argument. It just makes you sound defensive.
Yes, the vote was forced — by Canada Post, through a legal process — because CUPW wasn’t giving its members the right to vote on the final offer. That’s frustrating, sure, but it still doesn’t justify CUPW trying to control how members vote. Advising is one thing; directing is another.
If the offer is truly as bad as the union claims, then trust the members to vote it down. Telling them what to do shows a lack of trust in their judgment — and that’s a problem. Members should be free to choose, not told what to choose.
Anyone who doesn’t follow CUPW blindly is a ‘soupy’? I think the majority of members are smart enough to think for themselves and vote. We can see through CUPW nonsense.
Sorry but management posing as members giving opinions incognito, deserve a special name. Soupy was the least offensive word I could come up with. Speaking through the side of your mouth about democracy and dictatorship is offensive to me and makes me defensive yes, could catch. I am sorry if you got so stuck on the title that you could not read the rest of my comment.
Sure, whatever you say.I guess we will find out what the real workers think when we vote.
I absolutely agree with you!! Calling someone “soupy” is just being a CUPW thug and proving a strong point about CUPW. Very disrespectful and my guess is the truth hurts hearing your comment. I’m with you and I will be voting YES!!
Name calling, another CUPW goon harassing good outstanding members that want to speak freely without being bullying.. If you don’t see what’s happening in the world people losing jobs, and our useless union stalling, broke, no intentions to strike only talk, you’re part of the problem.. Maybe shut your mouth, or tell CUPW to set up a forum for you and the other brainwashed sheep to go vent.. People who are intelligent know this offer will help keep our jobs, while a NO puts the company in uncertainty. What will you do if the offer is less after arbitration..? Will you blame CUPW for 18+ wasted months of spewing lies to the membership..? Will you blame the government for exercising our right to vote that CUPW took away from you..? Who will you blame..? CUPW blaming everyone but themselves for the situation were in, while the company loses customers and Canadians daily.. Hope you have your resume handy because the government May have no choice but to Privatize.. Then no more CUPW.. were voting YES because we want to work, CUPW forcing a no, means they’ve failed and it was all a game to spend millions of our dues on themselves.. Please keep your pathetic comments to yourself about yourself soupy..
Every time CPC says it’s broke but somehow dangles a signing bonus. Every time they say they will privatize. Every time they say we will be out of a job. Every time they have said these things because they want us to be scared and divide. Take a look at the comments and you will see things like this posted. This isn’t the members posting, you know who is behind these comments
Obviously, Members have the right to vote how they want.
Layoffs/cutbacks will be required. That’s life. No one is guaranteed a job for life.
Pretending that everything can stay as is, is foolish. It may be wise to realize that the entire Company can collapse and cease to exist.
Well written…reality is that things are going to change
The minister is giving us, “THE UNION MEMBERS” an opportunity to at least vote on the offer.
If the radicals vote no, then there will be a lockout.
Volumes are down and companies are already utilizing alternative services.
At my age I will never get another job with decent pay, benefits, and a pension.
Think of yourself and your family and put you and them and ahead of CUPW.
VOTE YES.
Yes, we all have a voice now. Will reasonable, intelligent workers outnumber CUPW groupies? We’ll soon find out. But no one can say this isn’t democratic and fair.
So intelligent workers are the ones that agree to be forced into a voting situation by the government? Groupies are the ones that believe in the right to fair collective bargaining? What name do you have for people that are respectful and strong?
But we’re not being forced. We’re being given a choice. You don’t have to vote, or you can vote ‘no’. If you have common sense, you’ll vote ‘yes’.
Groupies are the ones listening to the CUPW dictatorship and think its 1985! Take another sip and see how they take care of you on EI! Then let us know how great they are! Having said that though CPC is not great either but at least they want to modernize to 2025!
They circumvented our bargaining system with 108. How is forcing us off the picket line democratic to you? Now we are right back to where we were before Christmas doing it all over again. How is that fair to you? The supervisors need to go back to your 2 hour lunch or nap or whatever it was that you were doing and stop trying to pretend that you have any real insight. Your comments stick out like sore thumbs.
I’m so glad we were forced off the picket line. I lost more than $5000 for nothing. If CUPW knew how to compromise we would never have gone on strike. This whole mess is on them.
Good to know that according to you anyone who is pro union is unreasonable and unintelligent. Thats rich coming from management in their typical assault on employees while gorging at the trough with self administered bonuses
lol causing fear and panic of a lockout, or that the company is broke is laughable. They somehow found 55 million for bonuses/bribes for a yes vote.
If the radicals vote yes then the sentient people will carry the vote. I would guess a “yes” vote by 70% to 30% for no. Let’s move on from this…and CUPW.
I hope you’re right. But remember 50% + 1 will be enough. Can’t wait to vote!
I am confused by comments saying we have a vote forced on us.
We are the union not the negotiators that have failed for the last 18 months.
Think before you vote No. What happens after that?
No guarantee there will be arbitation.
Canada Post and the Minister would need to agree. Both have said they dont want arbitation.
How long would arbitation take , 6 months? Will we be locked out during that period?
What would we gain? Anything?
From what I’ve read there are members who think an Arbitrator will swoop in and demand Canada Post give CUPW everything it is asking for and more. They’re not dealing with the realities of 2025.
The arbitrator will be laughing him/herself all the way to the Bank! Which will never be run by CUPW! Lol
lol there will be no lockout, and arbitration won’t take that long, it never has in past contracts
You’re totally wrong. An arbitrated settlement has often been worse than Canada Post’s final offer. There were several ‘final offer selection’ arbitrations when Harper was in power. But CUPW doesn’t really care what the final arbitration result is. Whatever happens, they can just blame the arbitrator and the government as usual.
You are confusing final offer vs binding. There is a difference.
How do you know what type of arbitration it will be? It’s not CUPWs choice, it’s the government’s. The government often chooses’final offer selection’. Please check your history.
Been through a lot of contracts, this will be my last one thankfully. As yourself why CPC wants a vote. They know through arbitration they will not get everything they want. The government is new, no way will it be final offer selection. Even if it is, it will not be any worse than what they have offered now.
We would likely gain or eliminate whatever cpc is trying to hide or avoid by this forced vote which is an abomination of rights and collective bargaining. Cpc never had any intention negotiating since day one solely relying on government intervention. All the management out here posting furiously for yes votes know that and just want to pull the wool over our eyes and distract with the dangled carrot signing bonus. Where has that money magically appeared from? One day on the verge of bankruptcy and the next spending like drunken sailor. All lies! I’m voting no in the hopes that this all gets dragged out into the open with government and media scrutiny which has been lacking with all the secrecy by both parties!
Signing bonus is way cheaper than a raise in wages. It’s one and done. This is simple math nit some smoke and mirrors. If you actually think that just being the spoiled child will get you everything, you are probably better off sprucing up your resume, or in your case more likely a job application form
1/2 of CUPW would never get hired anywhere else…they’d be out the door in half an hour!😂
Take a deep breath, your post comes across as hysteria.
Most workers want a yes vote, i have spoken to 2000 plus workers online, everyone is yes, the vote will be 85% yes.
Thank you, Minister and CPC, for giving us, the workers, something our own union will not let us do. I’ll be voting YES. A YES because 1) the offer is very reasonable (even generous) to me for no reduction of benefits and a double-digit wage increase when the company is still losing money; 2) the operational changes are long overdue to make the company more agile and efficient; and 3) most importantly, a clear signal to CUPW that they don’t speak for our members with their ridiculous demands.
Agree 100%
The offer is not good, and will impact external workers the most. Inside workers will bear the brunt of it next time.
I fully agree. If CUPW made reasonable demands and compromised, we wouldn’t be in this situation. An agreement could have been reached. I don’t blame the company or the government for offerunf rhis vote to us as workers. Now we finally have a voice. CUPW is furious because they’re no longer in controlnof us.
Anonymous does not hide in the least that you are management. This reads as if you are the speech writer for cpc..
I guess we’ll find our when se vote.
That’s rich coming from another “anonymous”. : 0 )
I guess that soon we will know what workers actually think. So great that we’re getting this chance to vote.
The final offer in full:
There’s nothing so terrible as CUPW tries to depict. Enjoy your reading, it could elucidate many details and eliminate speculations and confusion
https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/doc/en/news-and-media/cpc-global-offer-urban-bargaining-unit.pdf
All members stand together
and vote big fat YES! CUPW DICTATORS HAVE FAILED TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT YET AGAIN. THEY CANT STAND NIT HAVING CONTROL AND POWER OVER THE MEMBERS. THIS IS GOOD FOR US LETS KEEP IT THAT WAY. CUPW GO BACK TO CUBA. THANK YOU CANADA POST FOR GIVING US A JOB THATS PAYS BETTER THEN WHAT MOST PEOPLE GET AND GREAT BENEFITS THAT WERE MADE 2O YRS AGO. CUPW
20 YRS SINCE YOUVE DONE ANYTHING.
Hey the Cuba guy is back!
Hard no. This has never been done to Canadians workers. What a gross abuse of authority by a single person. Going around legislation even. Labour minister and the use of section 107and 108 like they were NEVER meant to be used, is such a dictatorship move. We are not the United States. Canada should honour our hard fought rights. This is just…..Gross!
Lol… There’s a reason why those dispute mechanisms are there, because people are stubborn and they’re hard-headed and won’t move from their opinion. It’s a good enough contract to vote.Yes on
Our rights are being upheld, including the right to vote. Our union also excercised their right to strike with our useless six week strike in 2024. If CUPW wasn’t so unreasonable in their demands, they could have made an agreement. This is totally CUPWs fault. They’re the ones who are ‘gross’.
How many of you CUPW members voted the Liberals back in .Then you come here and whine.This is 3rd time Liberals cheated CUPW during negotiations But Union thinks it’s ok because they think they can convince a cheating corrupt Liberal to see their point of view.
You realize that the CON-servatives would have nuked Canada Post, right?
How about a balanced minority Government that has to work for the benefit of Canada instead of themselves .Not necessarily Conservative either .How about independents that know what they are doing and actually do their job and are not tied to any party .
In addition had the Conservatives did win they would have 9 years of Liberal Garbage policy to clean up .Canada Post would be at the end of the pile .Except they would can the CEO which works in our favour .
I will vote YES. Change is needed and I no longer support Cupw since they are refusing to give us the democratic right to vote.
If it all stayed the same for letter carriers they would not give a hoot about what is in those other 700 pages. They would not give a damn.
For external workers this is the worst contract ever that has been presented
Why? Because you might actually have to work 8 hours, instead of 4-5, for 8 hours pay? Sad.
No, it is because of ssd and dynamic routing. Unless you have 4 arms to carry the multiple bundles of mail and flyers, as a letter carrier you are In for a world of hurt. The days of working 4-5 hours ended a long time ago. It hasn’t been a thing for a long time
Right on …the truth hurts..earn your keep the free ride is over
Open your eyes and look around past your comment which has gotten real old. The average reasonable person is not against doing a days work. The problem is cpc now wants 10 hours work crammed into 8 and for less money as the icing on the cake. Thats the problem your tiny mind can’t wrap itself around. This time it’s external workers under attack. If the yes goes through while you focus on your 1000 bucks, then the collective agreement also gets systematically ripped up, that’s why 700 pages, when that happens, guess what, you’re next.
Canada post should just fold so that a new organization can be set up with an employee model that reflects the economic realities and needs of modern society. Seems like the the union is unrealisticly trying to maintain a model that predates email and Amazon.
If youre so passionate about this fold process by all means quit to help them out but alas that won’t happen. Big talker
Someone asked why the govt is forcing a vote ? Because CUPW is not being realistic on their demands, thats why.
True but remember the vote is not ‘forced’. No one has to vote. It’s an opportunity and a chance to make our voices heard. Voting is our right.
Canada Posts full offer has been released. You can download it online. Now where is the CUPW negotiation details ? I vote YES to the offer .
Voting yes means lots of job losses.
Anyone who thinks they are guaranteed a job for life isn’t living in reality. The taxpayers of this country should not be expected to subsidize the lives of Canada Post Employees and CUPW Members.
taxpayers do not subsidize canada post.
Taxpayers “loaned” Canada Post over $1B in 2025 alone. Taxpayers have always had to come to the rescue with bailouts and “loans” that are never repaid.
Taxpayers are paying for useless Liberal rebates and handouts that amount to just more wasted money .
Voting no means lots of job losses because we will go out of business
Job losses cannot be avoided in any industries. It’s time to modernize Canada. Post 55000 members is too many. I believe they can operate with 10000 fewer. And what are you going to do? When they implement people, community mailboxes and delivery is only 3 days a week. You’ll be sixteen hours shy of forty hours.Think about it
Voting no means Russian roulette. Ever heard a bird in the hand….etc
Six months down the road are you prepared to look at your family and say I should have taken the offer?
For those that are saying NO, you’re not reading the room, Canadians are tired of being held hostage to the union. The post office used to make money and everytime the Union crys that they are being mistreated, IS LAUGHABLE. The post office needs to be run like a business, not a piggy bank. Door to door delivery should have been canceled years ago, Canada Post / Canadians have lost roughly 4 BILLION DOLLARS, in the last 6 or 7 years, AND just in 2024, Canadians lost $841,000,000.00 MILLION DOLLARS.
VOTE NO, than I vote privatization.
1 million, BILLION dollars! Said in a Dr. Evil voice
If we go on strike, we are getting our 250 bucks qla week. While the National CUPW and the local Executive still get their full pay. Why don’t they donate their wage to the cause
All CUPW members get strike pay when on strike – From president to rank and file.
That’s not correct. Rank and file only get strike pay if you go picket and get the finger from every motorist passing by for three hours. Union execs get full pay and bonuses.
No, union executives don’t get full pay AND NEVER HAD A BONUS lol
They’ve always been paid in full, your just one of their boot lickers defending them so you can earn a trip to Niagara falls every month. Stop covering up the BS with more BS.. we all know they get paid in Full and have taken massive Bonuses as well . Where is over $280+ million dollars gone in 4 years..? Why couldn’t they pay everyone during picketing on time..?
Union executives get paid a different way
I don’t need to get locked out! I will vote Yes, and nice on.
There will not be a lockout
One HUGE yes vote here!!! Change needs to happen to keep our jobs, there is absolutely no doubt about that. Cupw controlling us…done with you. Overtime ban? Our damn choice, not yours if we want OT. Cupw cost me enough financial stress this strike. I heard they are threatening to pull your membership if we took OT!! Seriously, sounds like I’m being led by Hitler. Pull membership, no more union dues… awesome! I do my job so will never need your support. We are living in 2025 not 1970. Change is needed to keep our jobs.
If things go the way CPC wants there will be no more overtime, dynamic routing, and filling of “gap time” will end any sorting of walking overtime
The company is failing….this is a decent offer….at least you will still have jobs. Vote yes
Why doesn’t CUPW want the Members to vote? What are they hiding?
Since the invention of the wheel, humanity has had to evolve; if we don’t, we will be ready for no more business
Go ahead and vote no. I hope you’ve enjoyed your time as a mail carrier with Canada Post. A no vote means cut backs and the doors possibly being closed. I hear McDonald’s is a great minimum wage place to work. We have great jobs and benefits, is it a perfect place to work? Absolutely not but we have well paying jobs that others would love to have! The union is killing us and there are way to many that are so blind they can’t see it. Vote yes , remove the money grabbing execs. that are supposed to be representing us. Open your eyes and look at the big picture folks.
You posted a while back about all of us having to go work at WalMart, just wondering why you have now chosen McDonald’s?
Still voting no lmao
Soon you won’t be laughing Lol.
If the strike isn’t ended soon they won’t have much business left.
Parcels are not being shipped to rural post offices unless by other couriers. I’m worried about what’s going to happen to my job as it’s hurting the offices that are members of the CPAA union .
As a postmaster in a corporate office, our volumes have declined significantly. Our CPAA members have already lost hours, but you don’t hear us whining. We have been without a contract as long as CUPW, we are face to face with customers ALL day trying to explain the negotiations and strike actions, we are the ones yelled at as many CUPW misdeliver and lose parcels daily. Look at all other industries like us, they all work evenings and weekends, why keep fighting the inevitable. If you hate your job, why are you still here?? Are the doors locked from the inside at your depot? When will you realize that there will be nothing to come back to (for all within CPC) when this is all said and done.
I am 100% in support of NO forced overtime. Everything else, especially things like signing bonuses, are unrealistic and greedy. I don’t know where Canada Post workers get the idea that they can demand ridiculous wage increases from a company operating at a loss. If you’re all so unhappy with your jobs, then find another job. Try working at Walmart for minimum wage and you’ll actually have something to complain about. I know 55,000 people who would gladly step in and take your jobs without complaint. No Canada Post employee is being paid minimum wage, and everyone has benefits and a pension. You’re all lucky to have the jobs you have. Stop inventing problems that don’t exist, and stop causing problems for people who rely on the mail for their OAS and CPP etc.
Just because they’ve removed language about forced overtime from the contract DOES NOT mean they can’t force you to work overtime under the Canada Labour Code. Another misleading statement from CPC’s summary document
So for all of those who say No and believe a prolonged arbitrated settlement is better …I can only say ????? Any arbitration that extends this uncertainty and a guaranteed $$$ million loss this year on top of last years $841 million loss is not going to give you a better deal ! Not even Trump math can make sense of that
CPC getting their puppets to post doom and gloom again.
Now we are without Agreement, losing many opportunities, because almost two years has passed in negotiations has left many important issues undone. CUPW and CPC wasting time. CUPW want to keep unnecessary hold/ interfere in some internal management decisions, which may be in company’s best interest. Whatever employees will lose , will not be recovered even in 10 years, if STRIKE/LOCKOUT happens.
The revised offers have been published and available to all CUPW employees for almost 3 weeks now . You can read the very detailed offer or a summary of the key points to decide for yourself.
Change has long been coming , irrespective of the current dispute and the company needs to move forward . Finger pointing at things that could have been done and longing for the good old days will not change the present reality .Vote “Yes” to move forward on a offer that is not perfect but more than fair( for now) and live to fight another day . Vote “No” to cling on to the past that has no base in present reality, is not sustainable , and risk losing even more credibility from Canadians who are tired of what looks like a bunch of kids asking for more , when the coffers are empty
The coffers are not empty. They somehow found 55 million for bonuses
Isn’t anyone gonna blame Trump and the tariffs? Seems like CPC has used every other excuse not to offer a fair contract. COVID was a large drain on manpower costs yet not a word is spoken about that. It is to late to undo all the new buildings and fleet vehicle investments. Face the facts. The company is top heavy. 3000 less routes with 700 more supervisors? They are still hiring more as I speak. Why? How many more VPs do we need? This is 100% a manufactured crisis no matter how many times you deny it.
That’s a Hard No!
What a Brutal way to treat your employees.
Shame on you Canada Post Management.
Vote no then lockout for few months and get the lowest offer as possible.. make up your decision
So you’re quitting soon so Canada post can hire someone who actually will work hard???
Brutal? By giving us an offer to vote on? That’s moee than CUPW could achieve after 18 months, more than 200 meetings and a six week strike where every full-time worker lost moee than $5000. BTW what’s the worst possible thing about this offer; LCs may now have to work 8 hours in order to get paid for 8 hours. Oh, the horror. You’re right, this is so brutal, I’ll vote ‘yes’ Lol.
shame on CUPW
The constant brutal bullying from militant CUPW members who have their own agenda of always trying justify to increase our union dues so they can waste it on cushy hotel stays at conferences.
You aren’t dealing with reality. I hope you have plans to find a new job.
Brutal is CUPW holding us within a contract and delaying negotiations that will ruin our chances of continuing to have a job
Vote No and we go to binding arbitration which could take months. Who’s to say we won’t be locked out at that point, there are no volumes.
Who cares? They don’t win and thats what it all boils down to
Lockout won’t happen. Neither side wants to make a move.
That’s exactly right. Not only that how do we know it will be a ‘blended’ arbitration. Several times under Harper arbitration was ‘final offer selection ‘ where the arbitrator chooses whichever offerthey think is best. Canada Post will present a new, worse offer. The arbitrator always chooses Canada Post’s offer because CUPWs demands will still be unreasonable. Notnchoosing this offer could very well be a worse result. CUPW is now supporting arbitration because no matter what happens, they can blame the arbitrator. It’s so obvious.
Oh well if we do. It’s better than locking in a bad contract with unacceptable roll backs that we’ll never get back. The past members fought and made sacrifices for what we enjoy today. We should fight to keep improving the working conditions for the members of tomorrow. Pay it forward.
If management had accepted arbitration 3 weeks ago, we’d already be back to full volumes.
Management offered arbitration before you went out on strike, and the union said no
People don’t realize the consequences of Voting No.. as well as getting a worse contract.. Union spreading lies telling others it can’t get worse, they are delusional because the volumes are non existent now and no parcel volumes either.. CUPW only cares about it’s dues, not the membership, pushing the government to privatize with these childish games..
Agree 100 percent.
Exactly, so how would that make sense???
Why are you forcing a vote? What do you have to hide hmmmmm? Release the full offer. 🤔
The whole offer has always been available to see.
canadapost.ca/offers
It’s your unions job to release the document…
Nobody is ‘forcing’ a vote. We’ve been given an opportunity to vote, thanks to the Minister. You don’t have to vote though, it’s your choice. BTW there are only 18 pages of changes in the new offer, and everything is postedmon intrapost. Everything else stays the same. Trynreading it for yourself insteadmof listening to CUPW propoganda.
There are over 500 pages of changes. Don’t believe the BS summary CPC posted that doesn’t even match the language they know most people won’t actually read.
The full offer is on the negotiation web page
Even worse, why is management trying to bribe CUPW members to take the offer??? 🤔 It must be a really offer.
Ask the union for the full report.
Here you are, if so much interested: Enjoy reading
https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/doc/en/news-and-media/cpc-global-offer-urban-bargaining-unit.pdf
Anyone who is relying on what others say here to make their minds up should question themselves.Only you know your personal experience and long term vision for the company.My take is keep quiet and vote.Be prepared to live with the consequences. Good luck
Agreed. Leaning yes but hoping no and maybe have a few weeks off with a lockout
Being neutral and voting yes will set a new president of whatever theres to come in the future. We wont need the union and union can easily be by passed moving forward. So we are wasting union due’s. Just like no one can sign any legal binding document without reading the fine print. I wont vote yes just because of this I want to know in detail black and white what i am signing for and what will be the future out come. All i am saying instead of making a decision under pressure think of whats to come.
After the yes vote, we can begin the decertifying of the union process!
YES
NO!
Ive never seen an employer hate their employees so much. NO! Go negotiate instead of trying to force consent
We are not being forced to vote.
I am tired seeing so much wasted time in negotiations. There is too much uncertainty for postal worker and the customers.
I want to vote to end this mess.
I am voting yes.
As if a soup ever even cared about anyting other than themselves let alone customers!
You belong in depot 74
Black is white. Up is down. Yes is no.
Yes indeed we are being forced to vote. The govt is bowing to cpc to take the vote directly to members bypassing the unions representation of the workers. Now before all the whiners jump in, think about this. Many other unions do not like this workaround bypassing and potentially settling precedent. If allowed to carry on in this manner we are one step closer to possibly losing union representation across the board. Most of the benefits we enjoy have been brought in over time by unions. Without them we’d be working 60 hour weeks for minimum wage. Think about it
How many people here voted Liberal now you wonder why we are in this situation .
We are most certainly being forced to vote! How do you not know this??
I am voting yes as well.
We are being forced to a vote. Send them the message that we won’t be bullied. Vote NO.
Obviously the opposite is true. The Minister and Canada Post are showing respect to employees by letting us vote. It’s the CUPW NEB that is to blame for all of this by refusing to compromise, and therefore never reaching an agreement. But we as workers have rights, including the right to vote.
They’ve had enough time to negotiate, 18+ months BS, CUPW is useless.. Costing charities millions of dollars, Screwed up people on Black Friday, pissing off Canadians and the country.. There’s no volumes because of CUPW BS, and layoffs are next. Vote No go look for another job, people happy to just have a job at this point.. I’m voting Yes..
I am with ya. A lot of members are. If they speak out they will bullied by the kool aid kids
why will you not let us see the full document and not an summary of what you believe the offer is.
Canadapost.ca/offers
Please use your brain. There are only 18 pages of changes in the new offer and they’ve been posted on intrapost. The rest of the contract stays the same. The ‘700 pages’ CUPW keeps talking about are the entire Urban and RSMC contracts put together. The changes are not hard to read, it’s only 18 pages so stop repeating nonsense.
Are you that Dense, it’s available online.. Where’s the CUPW counter offers..? Why are they hiding it from membership..? Open yours eyes they’re lying to all of us, or else transparent..
Don’t forget to demand CUPW to present the full document as well when it says Vote YES next time. You should demand a full copy from CUPW even now to justify why refuse to vote, if you want to know the whole picture. Which won’t happen, cause CUPW always hide information in their interests, like not providing the full list of proposals for negotiations to it’s members otherwise it would not get the votes for strike mandate.
It’s the union’s job to present you the offer.The corporation gave it to the union so you can see it.But if the union doesn’t forward it to you, how good is your union
Canada Post should look at their management-mismanagement of the Company-how about diverting business since last may to purlolator
It goes way deeper than that. Management calls OT and casuals in, only to have them stand around waiting for work. They promote incompetent employees who cannot lead into management. Worse yet, those incompetent supervisors, superintendents, and managers don’t lead by example and ruin morale by playing favorites and targeting and harassing employees.
will be a no as Canada Post never came to the table to actual be fair.
That’s correct. Vote no.
18+ months and 200 meetings, blame our useless union for the stall tactics and secret demands we don’t know about.. Transparency is law in labour board and CUPW violating our rights..
Everyone has the right to make an informed decision and then vote .To do that one must use a bit of cold logic to examine the facts and not emotional rhetoric , cultivated half-truths and select excepts to sway opinion . Also please consider the consequences of your vote as this is not 2018 and history means little in the present context. We live in a vastly changed economy are no longer a market leader and there are global movements that we have no control over with bigger forces at play .What we do have control over is the decision on whether Canada Post survives and can recover some ground and we have a job to count on over the coming years . This may not be a factor for someone looking to retire soon but for the vast majority..it is . The fact is both Canada Post and the Union are struggling , but only one pays your bills
Blah blah blah and HARD NO!!!!
Blah blah blah, YES!
Don’t forget we pay for CUPW to waste it on conference trips and Cuba.
Cuba guy is back!!!
That’s pitiful. Management wastes corporation money with trips to Hawaii every month.
Vote no.
Canada Post reported a $41 million loss before tax for the first quarter of 2025, despite a $42 million increase in revenue compared to the same period last year. The loss is an improvement over the $76 million loss reported in Q1 2024. Parcel revenue declined, while Transaction Mail and Direct Marketing revenue saw increases.
Key Points:
Overall Loss: Canada Post experienced a $41 million loss before tax in Q1 2025.
Revenue Increase: Total revenue for the quarter was up by $42 million compared to Q1 2024.
Parcel Decline: Parcel revenue decreased by $194 million, with a 25.8% drop in volume.
Transaction Mail Growth: Transaction Mail revenue increased by $223 million, driven by election mailings and a volume surge after the 2024 strike.
Direct Marketing Increase: Direct Marketing revenue grew by $11 million, boosted by a resurgence after the labor dispute.
Previous Losses: Canada Post has been facing significant financial challenges, with a $841 million loss in 2024 and seven consecutive annual losses.
Potential Strike: A postal worker strike is looming, with ongoing negotiations between Canada Post and the Canadian Union of Postal Workers.
Vote no. Management needs to learn how to manage properly. That’s the root cause of our losses.
When asked in front of other union members, some members tend to be shy and don’t want to state that they’ll accept this contract.Knowing that there’ll be a backlash of harassment, make your own educated decision, don’t let others influence your choice
There are a lot of CUPW groupies out there bullying co-workers online and in depots and plants. Be strong and remember, you don’t have to tell anyone how you’re voting. That’s what CUPW hates the most about this vote. Every worker now has a choice and a vote. The voting will be private and it won’t be controlled by CUPW. For once.
I am voting yes. I can feel the eyes of hate on me. The union is dividing the work floor.
The real reason they should be afraid is management’s final offer will lock in roll backs to future contracts. And management will continue to be incompetent by making bad business decisions and showing poor leadership. Then blame the employees and continue to demand more roll backs in future negotiations.
Sell out the postal service
No smart business person would buy it!
Vote No!!! Arbitration is the way to go!
It would be amazing to see Canada Post shut down, then we will see what CUPW does. Coz anyway its not going to survive the way it is now and people don’t want to change.
Yes indeed. Management doesn’t want to change. They continue along their losing ways, plowing along with yet more bad business decisions and poor leadership. They hire more supervisors, superintendents, and managers to stand around and chat with each other or to target and harass employees. They only seem to know how to demoralized employees, break any team spirit, and run more deficits. Oh, and of course, they then blame the employees. That is the real reason Canada Post is failing.
Go ahead, shut it down. Then they can slash all the dead weight in management. It would be worth it to clean up our top heavy (mis)management.
If this were a private company it would have folded by now. Half of you, would have been laid off. But the union is playing victim by thinking that the taxpayers will pony up to keep Canada post alive to deliver flyers while the union collects its dues. They are delusional.
So what is your point?
CUPW isn’t living in the real world.
Neither is the rest of Canada.
LOL!!! If this were a well run corporation the CEO and most of the executives would have been fired with cause 4 years ago! They would actually have to be ultimately responsible to properly manage and lead the corporation.
OK… soup! A private company wouldn’t have an excessive amount of supervisors and management. You wouldn’t of even been hired. And those they did hire would be able to lead by good example, setting proper goals, and inspiring employees to meet those goals.
The only thing I don’t like about this contract is the end of flyer bonus pay… but I mean whose fault is it? CUPW. They only care about time values, and the Corp look an another opportunity to make for them an extra source of income while CUPW considers a win for LCs having time values…
But still voting yes, our union is no good!
Management only cares about reducing time values, so they can stuff more and more work on less employees. All while offering raises that fall well short of keeping up to inflation. Vote no.
I personally, can not afford to vote no, the financial support from our union is not there. Canada post is slowly going down hill. Canadians do not send mail any more everything is virual.It about parcels now. Either we as employees learn for change or we might all be but of a job soon. I for one,have no issues working the odd weekend. I rather go do my personal shopping on any other day of the week now anyways. The world is changing accept it. CPC is going under time for a change in management.I am voting yes
Voting yes will not help you or insulate you from what’s coming. Not in the least. The anti union brigade thinks that voting yes will save us. Do yourself a favour, brush up the resume and start looking elsewhere now before the mad rush
A yes vote will ensure you continue to not be able to afford to live well. It will help to enslave you to management’s whim, where you beg them for more lower paying work. Make the sacrifices and fight now for a better future, like the past employees did for us. Otherwise it will get worse. Vote no.
if you don’t like what Canada Post is offering you guys, go somewhere else and look for a job, there are a lot of people would only be to happy to have your job and the pay you get.
You’re right. We’re being paid $32+ per hour with excellent vacation, benefits, and pension. But CUPW is fighting for LCs to continue working 4-5 hours being paid for 8. No wonder the public isn’t on our side.
great attitude
It’s a no vote for me
Things will change but not with out knowing all the details
Arbitration will be better then a 1000$ bribe.
That’s what you think. Please check your history and find out what ‘final offer selection ‘means. It’s happened several times before. Canada Post will present a new, worse offer to the arbitrator. The arbitrator always chooses Canada Post’s offer because CUPWs demands will remain unreasonable. So good luck if you think arbitration is guaranteed to end up better.
2 contracts won in 60 years…🤣 That’s CUPW’s success rate of 5%.. you have never undergone Arbitration, and when it’s all over and gets worse, CUPW will Blame government, CPC for Arbitration and you bozos who voted no. Our union has no accountability… You can go to find another job, many people willing to work in the Post office..
Its time for the Union to wake up to the economic realities of 2025. By allowing the company to modernize, we will actually have a future. Working WITH the company to allow them to compete and once again LEAD the delivery sector in innovation and service is what this Union should be doing. We are not exploited. We are well compensated for the work we do. I’ll be voting YES to this offer and looking to install capable Union leadership as well.
Careful of a yes vote. SSD,dynamic routing,filling gap time, is only the start. Inside workers are in the crosshairs next contract.
The corporation doesn’t want to work with CUPW. It takes two to tango. CPC management has been innovating by wasting hundreds of millions of dollars on new plants that are barely used, as well as other capital projects. They won’t pivot their business strategy, despite having plenty of opportunities to do so, and no one in the executive is being held accountable for the losses. They instead blame the workers. Vote no.
Well said, and I’ll be voting YES too.
For any letter carrier out there that is voting yes, I hope you have more than 2 arms. With ssd you no longer have a sortation case to merge into 1 bundle. Routers sort your hand sort, sequenced is in another tub, and all your flyers in your third hand. Oh, and now you have 200 more points of call too.
SSD is not that bad.
And don’t forget 3 points of contact on stairs with a zipped up vest while loaded down like a donkey
Why are you still here if you hate your job so much?? What skills and education do you have to offer? The doors are not locked from the inside.
A lot of carriers don’t have a problem with SSD. Maybe they’re just better carriers. You can always transfer to an inside position, but don’t forget they always work 8 hours Lol. Either way, eventually SSD will be in every depot. CUPW can’t stop it no matter how many tantrums they throw.
Does anybody really believe that Cpc and Cupw read any of these comments.? This is amusement for the workers.
Vote Yes they win.. Vote No we lose.. This is a terrible offer. Arbitration I doubt will render to us anything better. We are screwed either way. Vote anyway you wish.
I’ll vote no. Arbitration in 2018 netted us a better contract than what management offered, and with no roll backs.
There’s a lot of difference between 2018 and now…less volumes,the pandemic and the way businesses are run…CUPW needs to get out of their 1980s mindset and get with the times and yes I do know what im talking about 30+yrs…we had pt drivers working on the weekends for years…they were called MSCs…senior check ins should not be something you get paid for…
Can’t wait to vote no!
Me too!
I as well am voting no.
Good Luck to all. Go out and vote. What will be ,will be .
I’ve never heard of workers being harassed and bullied by fellow workers and Cupw leaders til now. Satan is alive and well thanks to Cupw. Unless people are into Satan,YES vote will win.
The only people yelling nonsense and trying to bully people are the clowns in my station telling everyone they’re voting yes.
Yup, and people here online telling others they’re Satanists if they vote no. 🙄
No. Period. Send it to arbitration.
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The name bashing going on between Cpc Cupw and workers,takes me back to children at school during recess. That was middle 1970s and here we are 2025 and nobody’s grown up. And I’m suppose believe and trust anything anybody says. You all make me sick.
I have many crying towels for all the local Cupw presidents. I have heard their manipulation ,conniving,losing control preaching and they gave fallen on deaf ears. Canada Post pays me and has given my family a very good life. And without Cupw I’d still have a very good life. So Cupw local presidents and executives Dollar store is calling.
The funny thing is, if the yes vote passes your route will become so unmanageable that you may have the quit and work at that same dollar store.
No they wont get hired at Dollar Store you have to work! Lol
you deserve this after turning your backs on brothers & sisters who chose bodily autonomy you know what i am referring too! enjoy
Just like Canada Post.
Canada Post needs to chip away at the Corporation, bit by bit. And the government is in on it.
Why would a corporation lockout their workers in time for Black Friday and the holidays { their biggest money making time), forcing the postal workers to strike, to avoid layoffs, if they are in fact in financial trouble? Why hasn’t the government stepped in over the past 7 years, to give the CEO a financial reality check? Why did they allow them to dig themselves into a hole, if in fact they have? Why did the CEO warn customers of a possible second strike? Which hasn’t happened. To push customers away?? The CEO is on the board of Purolator, why was he putting ads out saying Purolator would give discounts of 65%? While he was supposed to be negotiating with the postal workers union. To push more customers away? And why did the government take over 5 weeks to end the strike? Because he thought it would bust the union. If they privatize Canada Post, it will be yet again a “for profit” company, with shareholders that will only care about making bigger and bigger profits off if the consumers backs, And the health and safety of the workers won’t matter. Ask the people at Amazon if their health and safety matters.
CPC didnt lock us out! CUPW went on strike…BIG DIFFERENCE they are the ones who ruined Christmas for many
There was no lockout….CUPW went on strike. As for the government as stakeholder, did you not hear about the billion dollar bailout loan? There is a new reality. The traditional Letter Carrier job has changed. CUPW needs to negotiate with that in mind, and come to new realistic terms for a job description for Letter Carriers. Do you think CPC is guaranteed a future ? Hudsons Bay was North America’s oldest corporation until a few months ago.
Get your facts straight. CUPW gave notice to strike first in November, 2024 and CPC followed suit by announcing a job lock out.
Stop with the conspiracy theories.
Both CPC and CUPW executives screwed us postal workers over.
When exactly did CPC lock out the employees again? I must have missed that when we went out on strike
Canada Post never locked us out. They gave lock-out notice, then CUPW called a full national strike. Canada Post suggested sending unresolved issues to arbitration back in October. CUPW flatly refused. They are at fault foe all of this. The strike was totally unecessary and useless. We all lost thousands of dollars each for nothing.
No matter the results of the vote ,we will all be united as one happy family. We will support each other,work together and create a working environment that people will be excited about.
It’s obvious the CUPW membership is totally supportive of the union. That’s why everyone will vote NO ! CUPW FOREVER. HONEST TRANSPARENT RESPECTFUL.
Yes, and management should offer a better contract.
That’s correct. Voting no!
I totally agree with all the local CUPW presidents that this upcoming vote is an insult to all unions. Because union don’t want to give up power and control to the workers. Workers be thrilled cause this is exactly what you deserve,right to vote. Cupw you mean nothing and are laughed at!
YES YES YES
CPC’s 6% wage offer is not enough. Our COLA paid out almost 5% at the end of the last collective agreements. This means CPC’s offer of 6% for Year 1 is actually an offer of about 1%. For many of us, that a raise of just $0.34/hour.
CPC’s offer does nothing to provide more full-time job opportunities for Group 1 employees.
CPC’s Offer does not address the need for corporate vehicles for RSMCs. This is especially a problem for RSMCs in suburban areas whose mileage payments are not sufficient to compensate for their vehicle expenses.
CPC wants new hires to have to work 6 months as a regular employee without pensionable service.
CPC’s Short-Term Disability Plan proposal falls short. We need Canada Life to step out of the process, so our members can focus on their health and healing, not another form or medical certificate.
“Load levelling” would erode seniority rights and give far too much power to supervisors to reassign work, opening us up to the risks of favouritism, bullying and harassment. Load levelling is also about eliminating overtime.
CPC’s proposed “Dynamic Routing” model is another attack on our seniority rights. It would mean the end of route ownership and introduce heavier workloads – every day.
Part-time positions would explode. Canada Post wants to create two new types of part-time worker in Group 2 for both weekend and weekday work.
CPC’s “solutions” to Separate Sort from Delivery (SSD) don’t go far enough Canada Post needs to prioritize the work-life balance of its employees, not just the operational needs of its network.
CPC’s offer does nothing to improve protections against contracting out – and the Employer thinks it can contract out parcel delivery under the current Urban agreement.
I stopped reading when the first sentence of your post is a blatant lie.
The offer is 13.59 percent over 4 years almost two of which have already passed, so we’ll get whatever the prorated increase is retroactively when, and rest assured it will be, the contract is ratified. That’s reality.
You’re selling pipe-dreams, WE what to get back to work.
Maybe you want to “get back to work”. We’re still working since last December.
Work, as in regular volumes and rebuilding public trust, if you think folding poly bags is rewarding work, then yeah, we’re working. You think this place can survive on the current volumes? A lot of people are going to learn about last in, first out.
I used to be proud to say I work for Canada Post. Now it’s just embarrassing to admit I work for such a manipulative and exploitative company… Canada: do better.
You know you’re an uneducated fool when you advocate for a yes vote 🤡
Better an employed fool than a delusional boot licker supporting the union that put us on strike , lost 5 weeks of pay, threatened strike again and no cahunas to do it, just pretend because union is broke next to Bankrupt for forced Arbitration 🤡😂
Being a foreignor in Canada I finally got a chance to vote in the Federal and Provincial elections this year. Now I get a chance to vote on an offer which I have read in full . I am grateful for this opportunity . I have no anger no hatred no malice just fortunate like you.
you read all 700 pages-or just the fluff that is not what we are voting on.
So are you sending along the details or just the highlights?
It’s great to see you folks in Western Canada and Northern Ontario are starting to recover from wildfires and getting your lives back. Cupw and Cpc could learn from your resilience and strength. I’m proud to be CANADIAN! Shamed for what Cupw and Cpc is doing
That’s because we don’t live in Ottawa or Toronto let alone born there either.
Let me ask you smart members a really easy question thats how union executives talk to us workers and some how you think this right. It’s condescending,disrespectful and destroys your equilibrium ,look it up. Cupw just like Cpc doesn’t speak for you. YOU speak for you. Don’t be afraid to stand up for yourselves. Get out and VOTE. The question is too anger Cpc and Cupw then be a sheep!
Voting no.
CUPW executives speak to me in a way more respectful tone than management. Vote no.
A big no to union busting.
Notice that no one can comment on the CPAA or APOC posts???
Ours just got settled through binding arbitration. I don’t know anyone who had any input or even knows what our asks were. CPAA doesn’t stand up for us and hardly represents us. We will get whatever we get I guess. However, I suppose anything is better than having to hunt for a job right now though.
Anybody who votes no on this offer is delusional. Read the Kaplan report. This is the best deal we’re going to get and it’s more than fair. Is it perfect? No. But it’s the best we’re going to get. Enough is enough, time to get this done. Personally I am thankful for the opportunity to vote and take some power back to the workers, not the union.
That’s the best advice for anyone here. Do your own reading. Don’t limit yourselves to the unions or CPC talking highlights. The Kaplan Report also references other reports made over the last decade. It’s all good information to be aware of. Make educated decisions and you’ll make good decisions.
Power back to the workers? You’re dreaming. Kaplan and cpc in bed together
Kaplan is a management stooge. You’re delusional if you believe his report was fair or accurate.
Let’s see no strike,no lockout,no overtime ,no peace of mind ,no emotional stability and wait for it…..no reason to believe things will get better. I humbly apologize if I come across as being to uplifting and positive. I’ll try to cut back on it. DONT FORGET TO VOTE. YES ,NO, DONT CARE!
Can Cupw and Canada Post learn something,anything from DHL Canada on how to be even more destructive and piss off customers and lose trust and credibility?
Where do you think DHL learned their stuff from! Lol
Hey members,do any of you believe Canada Post and Cupw have reached their peak of ugly and bad behaviour? Or is there further room to show how two entities can be so disgusting and deplorable to the rest of the world.
If, in the eyes of the Jobs and Families Minister, that a forced vote is “in the best interest of the public and small businesses”, why did they wait 33 days before ordering us back to work in December, after Black Friday and Christmas were ruined?.
You know why?
It’s because Canada Post and the Government of Canada we’re expecting CUPW to be on strike that long ( a forced strike after Canada Post gave lockout notices.)
Both Canada Post and the Federal Government are in cahoots to basically bust the union.
Divide and conquer.
I have another question.
By ordering us back to work under the old agreement, then I figure that we are owed backpay for the time we were on strike.
Offering $1000 bribe to members to get a yes vote.
Well that $1000 will be taxed, leaving you with about $700. If you divide that $700 by the number of months remaining on the “new contract” that equals roughly $23 a month.
Is signing a bad contract for $23 a month more, worth it?
Vote NO!!
Vote Yes
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I read comments and there is obviously tremendous division amongst the workers. This is exactly what Canada Post and Cupw want. Divide conquer laugh at. Now its Cpc against Cupw against workers against each other. Is it so hard with all that intellect that we can’t find a solution to anything. Rhetorical.
I am not beyond corruption ,manipulation or deceit. I can play and be played. I will vote NO and Yes. You bad mouth me like I bad mouth you. I’m combination mgmt and union. If this riddle is too difficult for any of you ,get a 5 year old to explain it.
No thanks. No no no.
How come Cpc hasnt put out a sign with a big red X saying Vote YES. Oh that’s right we dont give dues to Canada Post. Maybe we should start after all they gave us a voice something Cupw never has. Those who don’t like what I just said start getting angry because you will stay angry after the YES vote. Ha ha ha
Shame on cp for this offer. Where is the accountability. Upper management should all be replaced Cooking the books double dipping I’ve worked with cp for 25 yr now and I’m getting payed 10.50 more than I was the day I started. While upper management is getting bonuses for running the is company into the ground Hard no vote we deserve better
In a sick way,the workers already won. We get a chance to vote on a offer. You can vote YES or NO. Everything else is just a bonus. Feels great. Thanks Cpc ,it’s a my own onion union didn’t give the workers the same chance
I can be persuaded to vote YES or NO. So keep commenting on the pros and cons of Cpc and Cupw
Vote no and take a chance.
A yes vote and we will erase everything that was gained in the last 30 years just to watch them give all 50 VP there next bonus.
And yes they will magically turn a profit…
The absolute audacity of this company is stunning. I will be voting NO. The offer is terrible, the manner in which it was presented is an insult, the coercive influence of the government is reprehensible, and the way I am being treated at work throughout this absurd corporate power flex is undeniably dangerous to my mental and physical health. The answer is NO! Fair contract now!
OMG you must be so hurt. Imagine giving every worker the right to vote. How dare they. It’s almost as if Canada Post, and ultimately the government are un charge of Canada Post. It’s okay though, the CUPW NEB can cry on the beach in Cuba during their next vacation (paid for by members of course).
So closed minded in you laughable comments. You betray how naive you are with such pro cpc rhetoric. Do what you want but believe me, cpc does not care one iota about you or us whether cupw on beach or here
i cant wait to vote yes, i will celebrate afterwards. it is going to be like 90% yes wait and see.
I can’t wait to vote yes. We might get to use the word democracy and CUPW in the same sentence. That hasn’t happened in decades
Yes, and I agree totally. For once it’s our choice. We know the CUPW execs love to tell everyone what to do but we don’t actually work for them. We pay them, that means they should be working for us.
They are working, and working well for us. A lot of roll backs removed so far. A few more to go. Vote no.
Hard NO
I know my vote, I am represented by CUPW. Unless I see the 700+ page contract, my vote will be a hard NO!
Why won’t CUPW show it to us, then?
CPC please post the CUPW counter offers to show all the employees why it will not be accepted, CUPW will panic and go crazy because the truth will be revealed.. Let’s see the truth about who CUPW really is..
CPC POST CUPW’S COUNTER OFFER
CPC POST CUPW’S COUNTER OFFER FOR ALL TO SEE THE CORRUPTION..
Hey CUPW, give up your demands so we can all see the truth of what you’re asking for that does not benefit the membership..
GENDER AFFIRMING BENEFITS
FERTILITY AID BENEFITS
SCREWING CARRIERS FLIER PAY
GIG WORKERS UNDER CUPW
SNOW TIRES FOR RSMCS
NO SIGNING BONUS FOR MEMBERS
EXTRA BENEFITS TO THOSE WITH 40+ YEARS OF SERVICE OVER EVERYONE
THE MORE YOU PUSH NO AND THREATEN PEOPLE THE MORE I WILL POST YOU’RE DEMANDING AND WHY CPC SAID NO TO YOU AND ALLOW US TO VOTE
C’mon everyone I dare you to tell CUPW what their real demands are that they asked CPC.. No transparency, lies, cheating and stealing…
A BIG NO to CUPW and their fraudulent demands..
I haven’t been with CP for decades, but after 10 years, I’ve seen enough to speak up. Every time there’s a vote, union leaders show up at the depots asking for your vote, but behind the scenes, they act like dictators. Many of you may not fully understand what it’s like to live under a dictatorship. They send us endless intimidating emails, trying to push us to vote NO. That’s not democracy — that’s manipulation. I will decide how to vote, and my vote is a strong YES. CP is the one paying my salary — whether they like it or not.
The union only cares about getting their paycheck every two weeks. We pay their salaries, not the other way around. Most of the time, they protect lazy employees or people who constantly complain about nonsense. Do your job properly, and you won’t have supervisors watching over your shoulder all the time. People like to complain about supervisors, but they’re simply doing their jobs. Yes, some do very little, but that’s not the point.
Let’s not forget: CP and the government want this company to survive and move forward. A big part of our financial losses are caused by the union, scaring customers with constant strike threats. Many customers have lost trust and now prefer electronic mail over paper. The union never shows the real offers we’re given, they never open true discussions, and they never ask for our opinions. They do whatever suits them, because at the end of the day, what they want is more money in their pockets.
If there’s another strike, the union won’t pay your bills or your mortgage. I won’t lose more money because of their incompetence and failure to resolve this conflict. Like many of you, I want this to end, and I want it to end soon. The truth is: most people don’t like change or following rules, but it’s time to face reality. Don’t think twice — vote YES.
I hope many of you wake up and think carefully.
Im not a supervisor, only an RSMC.
That was too long to read
Thankyou for your insight and I fully agree. I’ve been working at Canada Post more than 30 years and CUPW has always been like this. They’ve literally settled two contracts since 1965, there’s probably not a less successful union in Canada. Now they’re going crazy because we as workers actually are getting a chance to vote on an offer. You’re right there are some bad supervisors, but there are also many bad workers. We all know Canada Post needs to change, but our union is still in denial. They’re not acting in our best interests, strictly in their own. Remember we as workers have rights, including the right to vote.
Blah blah blah… just vote no.
TLDR. Vote no.
Cupw when they lose the vote must dissolve. No more union. All it did was make us go on strike, lose public support due to unnecessary diversions (focus on gender affirmation, focus on non-employees to grow union funds etc.,). This will go down as an epic fail that generations will remember. Fire cupw. Replace with another reasonable union that really helps both us and employer grow and is not focused on itself.
Having management remove roll backs to our extended medical, defined benefit pension, etc… is a good start and a good reason to continue to support CUPW. Vote no.
Vote yes!! The offer is descent! Can’t afford to go on strike again! Will never recoup the loss from December. Wake up people, cupw doesn’t care about the members
Will there be a mandated ‘listen to our political propaganda’ time before we vote just like the CULTW “votes”?
Will members who have valid concerns about CULTW be allowed to voice their concerns, or will they be shouted down and made to feel foolish like at CULTW “votes”?
Will all our votes be counted and then a random number like… oh, I don’t know… 95% be announced to the media like after all CULTW “votes”?
Right? Thankfully, someone else is going to oversee the voting. Hopefully, they won’t allow the bullying and harassment at the voting spots.
Love CULTW! Yes its
CULTW! I love it and it’s really a perfect name for them. It’s so funny how CUPW can magically get a ‘95% strike mandate ‘ when they’re in control of the entire voting process. They’re just like a cult believing many things that aren’t true and punishing members who disagree. But CUPW is not in charge of this vote and now they’re terrified.
For the past 4 weeks or so its been yes yes yes on this comment site. Now, all of a sudden, its no no no. The cupw trolls in desperation have left their socialist one opinion only facbook page and will now flood this site with their propaganda, false claims, and bot posts of no.
And how are you sure of this?
Yes you might have to actually work 8 hours. Of course every inside position at Canada Post has always been 8 hours work. Hard to justify this amount of incredible whining though Lol.
The yes comments were done by the over abundant soups while on company time. Vote no.
Good luck to Cupw and Cpc . Really hope you both get what you want. Really hope workers get what they want. I’m gonna go and enjoy life. CHEERS
Vote no and enjoy life even more. Cheers!
Seems half the comments are vote YES,and half the comments are vote NO. All you need 50% plus 1 to win this is what im told by honest people at Cupw and Cpc,hum? Who will win? Who really cares anymore.
I have worked inside Cupw. I have talked to many executives. I am 100 percent convinced they are only interested in their own dreams without concern for the workers. I suppose I can say the same about Cpc executives. So you decide if you are gonna vote and vote yes or no. It’s up to you
Way to go CUPW, I’m enjoying this show, you proved how divided the membership is. Awesome, it will be even easier to De-certify you all now.. Keep it up, your days are numbered.. Thank you CPC for exposing CUPW yet AGAIN…!!
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lol the decertification talk has been ongoing for decades, not happening now, either
Exactly. Vote no.
Johnny come lately thinks he came up with the novel idea of decertification. Management has been pushing it for decades without success. Vote no.
CUPW is embarrassing all of us with these games, public pushing for privatization and you all can say is Vote NO. We’re doomed because you support those who can’t negotiate and choose to divide us, way to go bozos .
Were only doomed if we vote yes. I don’t support division. That’s why I’m voting no.
CUPW is pissing off the public with these games they’re playing.. CPC make us essential and no more negotiations because CUPW is useless and should be dismantled for fraud.. We want to work and have a pension, Vote Yes.
I was gonna vote yes but now leaning no.
If I vote no then I could get locked out for a few weeks and enjoy the summer sun.
I am torn. Do we take the contract or take less later with maybe some unpaid time off.
Vote yes Champ. Don’t let me down.
That’s great if you’re financially secure enough. Many of us can’t afford “a few weeks to enjoy the summer sun” unpaid, while the CUPW executive enjoys the time off on our dime.
Vote no now. You’ll get more later, and it will compound into future contracts.
Cupw executives and lawyers have already gone through the 700 page Canada post offer and stated where they said it fell short,which was minimal.the 10 reasons cupw gave to vote no are minor compared to the benefits of a yes vote.if there was anything in the offer that was questionable cupw would already have been complaining about it and having a tantrum for the media
The 10 reasons are compelling to me to vote no. The penalties of accepting CPC’s offer is unacceptable.
The 10 reasons to vote no make us sound like spoiled toddlers talking about seniority and not wanting to work full days and not getting to work overtime.
I for one will be voting yes. Change is necessary or none of us will have jobs in a few years. Do I like all the changes? No. But I like having a job and will adapt as I always have.
Their proposals leave no room to adapt. It’s gonna be ugly with a yes vote
So true. Do we tell the public we’re fighting for the right to work 4-5 hours and be paid for 8? Why does our union always want to destroy the company that pays us all?
No
When is CUPW going to create this forum for us to complain, the same 2 people on here posting no comments or read 700+ BS 😂 Hey CUPW start the forum.. we’re waiting.. no guts no glory..
What bar are you pushing NO votes from 😂 are grammar lessons and public speaking lessons available for local presidents also 😂 how about how to dress when representing lessons, you guy are stuck in the 80’s and 90’s with those mullets.. 😂no pride in appearance should be CUPW of slobs.. Have some decency representing the membership , a haircut, good clothes, learn to speak, like damn you’re stealing our money anyways.. Voting YES..!!!
CPC could also have the same people posting to vote yes. They have more to gain with a yes vote.
I guess we’ll find out when the votes are counted Lol.
Exactly! Great comment. The national executive board are a disgrace. They will never allow members to speak freely because they don’t represent us. They are desperate to keep power. The NEB are the worst of the worst, the laziest of the lazy.
Can’t wait for the lazy people in the membership to be gone, including article 54’s when they remove cases and modernize when they bring new machines and we lose our jobs because no job security, oh boy how can I not vote no with those advantages..,😂 if those 40+ seniority also forced to retire because of a No vote. Then hot diggity dog I’m voting NO, I’m voting Yes to removing all that anyways, we don’t need people who can’t physically work, bye bye and remove all the 40+ year seniority people for new hires who want to work instead of STDP every year after Year..
Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Hard NO!
Even a gutless chicken wouldn’t vote for this garbage. What an embarrassing company. Fire every single manager that has run this company into the ground.
What a smart take. Very well thought out Lol.
Dear Ed how does that help your future?What happens after you vote no? Does that improve your chances of a better contract?
Yes it would. Vote no.
Anyone here who tells you not to vote is legally taking your rights away, the labour board has already been reported to on CUPW’s action and there will be consequences. We have that right to vote, don’t allow these thugs to tell you what to do.. There will be fines to those that take our rights away, a union or it’s members don’t have the right to threaten or take others rights away, there are labour laws and could all be charged. No union can control its members and any doing so can be FIRED ON THE SPOT AND POTENTIALLY FINED THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR VIOLATIONS.
Voting no. We are all voting no. this is what happens when you bypass fair negotiations and try to force a vote on 55k workers.
Don’t you mean we are all voting ‘yes’ . Well those of us who are smart, anyway Lol.
Voting NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Someone here is putting on multiple messages to a yes vote —don’t be fooled by this, he is flooding this forum it’s all one employee.
No no no
I’m wondering, does everyone here who wants to vote “yes” have any problem with Canada Post and the government taking away our Charter Rights twice in six months?? Just curious.
The corporate shills hired to sow discord on this forum are out in full force. Just think about how much money CPC is spending to sway the vote instead of bargaining honestly and actually giving a care about their workers (who are the only reason CPC can generate profit in the first place).
The corp is scared of the NO vote that will be the obvious result of this sham. Cower, cowards.
Joe Public thinks we’re all a bunch of spoiled entitled children who make above average wave with high school education and good benefits…We look like the laughingstock of Canada and BTW we used to be first up on the news now we’re an Afterthought to fill in time.Im voting yes
It does sound crazy to peiple outside of Canada Post. CUPW is demanding that LCs can continue to work for 4-5 hours and be paid for 8? Anyone with common-sense knows this is not sustainable. All inside positions have always worked 8 hours. Change had to come in order for our company to survive. I will vote ‘yes’ and not worry about CUPW bullies.
I agree 100%!! I’m voting YES too!!!
What do you think about TTC drivers?
Who cares?
Me too
Who cares what joe pubic thinks. Nice try with the peer pressure tactic. Vote no for a better contract.
Grow a thicker skin
I vote NO
Then see you at lockout
See you there!
Me too. Vote NO!
Cupw is good for you. You need to gives us the power and control. Vote NO. That way Cupw can go on fighting for the members because you can’t fight for yourselves. No where does it say let the workers see the 700 page offer or even explain it to them.No where does it say give the workers the right to vote. When you signed up with Canada Post you gave up those rights. So im asking once again do not vote and let Cupw be your master. It’s the only way. Democracy only works if you let Cupw have its way.
You’re wrong. Under the Canada Labour Code unionized workers do hav the right to vote on final offers. Other unions present offers to their members for votes. It’s standard practice. It’s completely legal, that’s why the Minister is able to order this vote. CUPW is wrong and that’s why they’re so scared. We as members pay CUPW more than $1200 a year, they’re supposed to ork for us. It’s our right to vote on this offer. It’s called democracy.
A NO vote will result in binding arbitration. We will lose and get the same thing we’re voting on, minus a signing bonus.
Not true, you are referring to final offer selection where one side or the other is chosen
So strange how many people don’t understand that
Don’t be fooled by Canada Post offer. They are giving you false hope by letting you vote . This is unconstitutional ! This is anti union! Don’t vote. This is why you pay dues to have Cupw control everything.We know how the system works to favour us and not the members. Allow us the thrill to decide your lives and livelihoods not Canada Post. DO NOT VOTE!
We are the CUPW NEB. We aremso successful that we’ve settled two contracts since 1965. Every other negotiation has ended in a strike or lock-out. We were totally against arbitration when Canada Post offer3d it in October. Now suddenly it’s a great idea. Ourmsix week strike was totally useless but who cares? Trust us, we know best Lol.
You go ahead and don’t vote, vote no vote what ever you want, stop trying to bully and intimidate others that don’t agree with you!! I Do not pay dues so that CUPW can control my thoughts. We pay them big bucks to work for us and listen to our concerns not to intimidate!! So I Will vote YES!!!!! Others can do as they wish. Let’s get on with it and get it done, whichever way it goes!!
DO vote. And vote no for a better contract.
A no vote will result in the same contract minus the signing bonus.
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
Will there be a time before the vote that the corporation is allowing us to read the actual contract? Putting out a bullet point version sure looks good to anyone reading, but if I can’t read what I’m voting on how can I make an informed decision? You say you’re giving us this and that, but what’s hiding in this contract that you don’t want us to read? There are too many unknowns for me to vote YES on a contract that I’m not allowed to read…this seems like a very shady tactic. It seems more like the corporation wants a forced vote so they can push through a contract that they won’t allow us to read…so my question here is what are you hiding in there that we don’t want to see. Based on my interactions with higher ups in the corporation they have proven time and time again that they can’t be trusted…so what makes this any different? Until I can see what I’m actually voting on my vote will be a definite NO!!!
We pay dues to the union. The union should be showing you the seven hundred page offer..
Show us CUPW counter offers.. Transparency much..? Vote no go find another job..
You cna read the offer on intrapost. It’s in a PDF. Don’t be fooled by CUPW propoganda. They’re so scared of this vote, it’s almost hilarious. Almost.
The whole offer is listed on the same page that you’re posting on. I am copying the link here for those that the offer is hidden. Read for yourself and decide. It’s up to you to vote and not be told which way you should vote.
https://canadapost.ca/offers
Better yet, management is bribing you $1000 to take the contract. What in the contract are they hiding is so bad that they need to bribe you to take it??? 🤔
No no no. Your final offers suck. So no no no.
Very articulate and well thought out argument. Are you a member of the CUPW NEB?
Can anyone explain to me like I’m a child,why Cupw didn’t give the workers the chance to vote instead the company did. It seems backwards to me. Are we really that stupid to let Cupw make our decisions for us?
Because CUPW is not Union since around 2011. They are a left wing activist organization
Some of us are CUPW groupies. We believe anything they say. Most of us are smart enough to decide for ourselves. We’re happy to get a chance to vote. Other unions let their mmbers vote on offers all the time. CUPW doesn’t and that’s one of the many reasons they’re such a terrible union.
Exactly, and now CUPW and their goons threatening people.. I thought bullying in the workplace wasn’t allowed.. I’m voting HELL YEAH YES..
Because it’s a garbage offer and has no chance of passing.
Yes, because that’s why we have a union. We elected them to get the best deal possible and to fight for our rights and protections. We will vote when they deem it necessary for us to vote. That’s how unions work! If we voted on every single offer every single time we’d be making minimum wage, no benefits, no pension, no protections, nothing!
Because the contract is that bad, if it was any good they would let us vote.
Because CUPW knows whats in the actual contract, not the lovely little highlights that the boss wants you to see. I can’t wait to sit back and watch all of you who are so eager to vote yes find out what it is that you actually voted for. And btw, don’t blame the Union when you finally understand what it is that you voted for.
Strike time , we saw your attendants so it gives confident that you will give right decision. So that CUPW did not go to vote again.
That’s why we elect people moron
When you signed on with a union, any union in Canada, you agreed to have them become your sole bargaining agent. Once they enter contract negotiations, they will decide when a contract is worth voting on.
The $1000 bonus is all most of the uneducated will see, therefore it will go through.
Binding Arbitration will bring worse, don’t be misguided by CUPW saying it can’t get worse. A vote Yes will give us what the CPC offer shows, if CUPW would show us their secret demands you’d actually see who CUPW truly is with their secret demands. A vote no will bring the companies situation that CUPW put us in, into consideration which will lead to more losses and future privatization as CUPW has had more than enough time to get it right, It’s a YES, and nobody should ever be forced into Arbitration. After 6 offers from post office which CUPW refuses to show, including their shady demands, we don’t deserve their lack of intelligence or common sense in negotiating after 18+ months. You’ll be sorry voting NO and CUPW will blame everyone other than themselves for this whole situation. Also keep in mind they’ll begin arbitrating again in a years time, more CUPW paid Bonuses, big raise for a cowardly president who doesn’t show her face, more 5 star hotels and expensive dinners in Ottawa, and yet no showings of CUPW anywhere and you’ll be forced to accept their disgusting behaviors and threats. You should wonder why Teamsters respect their membership, have family BBQs, and unite the members while we have a bunch of thugs who will hold a position forever because they know they can control you all with their false information and lies, CUPW shame on you.. Voting YES YES YES
There is a reason why this time CPC does not want binding arbitration. They know they will not get everything they want. This is the first time In 34 years that I have seen this. I say let it go to binding, can’t get any worse.
Your hypocrisy and short sightedness on full public display is nothing short of incredulous. On one hand whining about false information and lies yet you proudly and naively proclaim voting yes yes yes as if you somehow you know more than anyone else. Has your short memory forgotten who mismanaged the corporations financials whilst still gorging at the trough with millions of dollars in bonuses.? And now we the workers are expected to foot that bill with a gun to our heads forced by the govt and cpc vote? Which I would add is contrary to our bargaining rights as pointed out by a growing number of other unions who are now watching intently at the potential fallout of this forced vote if allowed to proceed in its current form. I have no need of anyone, be it you or cupw or cpc or the government, telling me how to vote.I can tell exactly which direction the strongest smell of manure is coming from so it will be hard no for me unless the legitimacy of this vote is hopefully legally called into question and stopped
Agreed!!! My vote is a big YES!!!
That’s true. There are many good unions in Canada. CUPW is not a good union. Why didn’t they agree to arbitration back in October when Canada Post requested it? They are misleading rhe membership. But now, thanks to the government every member will be able to vote. Please use your own brain and common sense and don’t fall for CUPW propoganda.
The demands for collective bargaining are voted on by the members, what are you even talking about? The only ones hiding what your are voting on is the Employer.
They sure are hiding it in plain sight.
Read past the headlines, the FULL offer has been available all along.
Arbitration in 2018 got CUPW more than management’s final offer, and with no roll backs. Vote no for a better contract.
I’ve been with many different unions. I can honestly say that Cupw has your best interest at heart. They wanna get you the best offer so you can have a good life. Don’t let Cpc fool you and play you for chumps,thats the job of Cupw.
Perhaps you should stop applying at Union shops and go work for at a non-union job if you hate Unions so much.
CUPW will play you way less than management. Vote no for a better contract.
I will vote no
reason being the changes to weekend gig work and flex part time not to mention the dynamic routing.
All wrapped up in a signing bonus from a company thats claiming its bankrupt.
You watch it go through and they hire 2 new supervisors in every depot to micro manage even more of our lives.
How many full-timers do you know that wanna work weekends? Weekends are for part timers period
You’re wrong. Every other company has part-time weekend workers for delivery. Canda Post has always had them. I worked as a part-time MSC back in the early 90s. My schedule was Sun-Wed. This is not new and is required for our company to survive. CUPW members who have common sense will realize their are many pros in the offer as well as some cons. I’m voting ‘yes’ despite bullying from CUPW.
To all my fellow members of Cupw. You can’t let Canada Post get away with this. The offer is bad for letter carriers ,pretty good for inside workers. If you vote YES it’s a slap to the face of Cupw. They will have egg on their face and look bad to everyone. You must vote NO in order for Cupw to continue controlling the members ,deciding and do all the thinking. According to the Cupw President,the members aren’t bright enough to understand when they are being played. In conclusion,vote NO to Canada Post offer and let Cupw continue to be the puppetmasters.
Everyone has to vote. Meantime think about casual workers, they are paying $95/month flat union dues. Now a days they are working for union because they get call once a month for 4hours. CRIB has to administrate another voting for union dues for pro-rate vs flat rate. Nowadays people are struggling lose the jobs, paying mortgage, grocery prices are increased, fuel prize…. Think about future employee should keep two jobs, if he works at canada post, no 40hrs gurrentee. Full time employee stuggling to live with this wage, how come part time? Bullying and overload of work is already there in canada post, Why union did not concern so far? now voting time brings this as an issue? Come on! Union reps, you did not do your jobs here. You guys support and talk always with supervisors without doing your jobs. Why you guys not at picket lines, you guys not show your solidarity when stike time. Your presents give clue that you are not concern about union proposels so Canada post decides to vote. This is right decision because of stike attendens, for sure yes vote will win according to your presents on stike. Why waste of time go Vote. Think your family and friends life? In my opinion voting should consider is Canada post proposal is enough(Yes) Not enough(No), then go to bargain again.
After 18+ months CUPW does not deserve to bargain no more, it’s our right to see every offer CUPW never showed us… CUPW failed everyone and others are losing jobs everywhere.. They had their chance and proved their incompetence.
Vote yes if you want more part time and casual workers. Vote no for more full time work.
Absolutely not. Keep your bribe, bring us a real contract.
100% agreed! Voting NO!
We need a strong yes vote to send a message to the cupw executive that they have failed miserably .cupw has a bad habit of holding the entire membership hostage to try and advance the agendas of one group of members.letter carriers need their own union,Rsmc needs their own, as does po4. If cupw doesn’t change can you imagine what negotiations are like in 2 years.cupw can have the cleaners and bicycle couriers ,the rest of us need to leave
Yes and yes.
Wise words said. There a lot of the kool aid kids in the union that would have made great residents of Jonestown.
CUPW always fails. They’ve settled two contracts since 1965. Every other negotiation ended in a strike or lock-out. The reason; they can no ever compromise. Canada Post offered to send unresolved issues to arbitration back in October. If CUPW had agreed then, the six week strike would not have happened. But they refused and every member lost thousands of dollars for nothing. Canada Post lost over 200 million in holiday season business for nothing. Now suddenly CUPW wants arbitration? No thanks CUPW, I’ll vote ‘yes’ instead. It’s our choice now, not yours.
Agreed. And if you vote yes, tell no one. If cupw finds out they may blacklist you or attempt to make you a member in bad standing. That is part of their bullying strategy.
There’s already a lot of bullying going on in my office and on line. Remember it’s our right to vote. Every member can vot privately and you don’t have to tell your co-workers or your CUPW rep how you voted. We have rights.
The vote is private, also legally you can report them to labour board if they try to blacklist or threaten you, they have no power and make noise that’s why they’re manipulating and panicking at the same time.. I’m voting YES and could care less what CUPW, also reporting all their actions to labour board and I will force an audit to show them money Laundering and exposing Jan Simpson and the NEB goofs making union broke..
Yes for and the vote won’t be known
The biggest bully at work is cupw.
First of all it’s none of CUPW business how we vote, that’s our right, we don’t live in a dictatorship. If they try and blackball members there’s the labor board you can report them!!
lol that won’t happen, your comment is funny, but don’t try and scare the new employees
LOL!!! Nice fear mongering there! Don’t know of a single member that has ever been “blacklisted” or lost their member in good standing status because of the way they voted. Care to give a specific example??? Name, date, location, witnesses?
I have worked for this greedy corporation for 11 years now. These board of directors like the wage they make and the bonuses they receive. Most employees barely make enough to provide for their family. With all the changes the corporation want will cause more injuries to the employees. They say they want a fair negotiated contract but keep walking g away from the table over and over. They are relying on the government to step in and force a vote on an offer that doesn’t even meet the inflation rate. They say there are broke and losing money at the same time they offer a low ball signing bonus to to try and divide the union. I for one was offended by what the corporation is calling its final offer. I WILL BE VOTING A BIG NO when the vote is called. We will send a strong message to the corporate executives and force them to negotiate a fair and unbiased agreement
I’m with you, borther/sister. I’m voting NO!
Am ashamed to name my employer CPC after such obvious disdain they have for their own employees. Try offering a fair and respectful contract.
If Canada Post is sus h a shameful place for you to work, you should try another company. Try hetting an easier job with our benefits, holidays, pension etc that pays $32+ per hour. Poor you. This is why the public is not on our side Lol.
Disdain… a mild take on management’s attitude towards it’s employees. I would say contempt is more of an accurate description.
Non
20 years in, History repeats itself, another bad offer for the members and the government helping CP with its plan.
Another loosing contract.
Maybe focus on getting rid of your bonuses and getting clients would be better.
A 10 cents Higher rate on stamp would also help instead of thinking about cutting everything that the workers fought hard to gain.
Deal with our union
The vote is NO
Hear hear!
nooooo
It’s unfair to vote on something we don’t fully understand. i am a po4 and have no clue what the letter carrier issues are. I am not going to vote.
I understand where you are coming from. I am external, letter carrier for 30 years. I realize that this contract you may not have much skin in the game, and you may feel inclined to not vote or decide that you may want to vote yes just to end the madness. But ask yourself, if you think CPC will stop their cuts and transformations at this contract, or might they try and target inside workers next. I’m not a flag waving cupw member, just an average employee who wants to retire in a few years with a body healthy enough to enjoy life. I do feel for the employees that have years to go. CPC will not stop at dynamic routing, ssd, and filling up so called gap time. They will try and find any way to diminish the workforce.
You should vote. Letter carrier issues are stated on “reasons to vote no” on CUPW website.
NO!
As a canafa post employee for 29 years this is a hard NO
No! No!
No! No!
No! No!
Can you all imagine stupid and insane we all look to the rest of the world. Our postal system is a joke,we are harassing and bad mouthing each other,not to mention all the business we have lost and are losing. I hope when I grow up I can be that smart.
Never mind what the rest of the world thinks. What do you think about CPC management bribing you $1000 to take their offer? What’s hidden in that 700+ page document that’s so bad they want you to take it so badly? They claim they’re almost bankrupt, but have $1000 for 55,000+ members to take their contract. That’s over $55 million bribe! 🤔
The rest of the world has more important issues to deal with. They really do not care about Canada’s mail dispute.
If I wanted to be a gig worker I would of applied at Amazon.
Big fat no from me!!!
No one is asking you to become a gig worker. You’ll have the opportunity to take on extra shifts if you want, they just want to expand parcel delivery which included hiring part time workers to fulfill these needs.
If I have to be a gig worker I would choose to be a
G I g. olo. Be my own boss, no union dues to pay , no taxes to pay , make my own hours .
Actually with the way things are going you may be working at Amazon sooner rather than later! All the best to you all voting no!
Exactly! Vote no!
Someone here is putting on multiple messages to a NO vote don’t be fooled by this he is flooding this forum it’s all one employee
Multiple soups are flooding the board with yes votes and anti union rhetoric. Don’t be fooled by this tactic.
And you are sure of this? Proof please
Lol! And all those vote yes support messages are from management!
I will be voting no first time I feel embarrassed to work for this company in 27 years Canada Post should be ashamed of how they are treating their employees
VOTE YES 👍
Hard No!
I read over the offer and will be voting yes. There is room to improve but we cannot expect to get everything we want in one big leap. It wont be long and we will be in negotiations again and then hopefully CUPW can do a better job of negotiating.
Do you really think CPC will stop their plans after this contract? This one is the tip of the iceberg, inside workers will be the target next time as well as cmb conversions for external employees. The 30-35 year employee will not be a thing in the future, they will either wear you out or frustrate you so much that after 5-7 years you will quit.
I can’t find the 700 page pdf, can you link it to me please?
Canadapost.ca/offers
If we get stuck with this offer, the losses carry on to all future contracts. Don’t expect to get back anything you give up now. Vote no and keep fighting for a better offer.
You want people to vote on your propaganda…. Release the full document so we can make an informed NO VOTE, instead of a uninformed NO
Anyone that likes to take overtime can pretty much kiss that goodbye with what they have proposed. With ssd the sorting callbacks will be gone. With dynamic routing and load levelling, walking callbacks will be gone as well.
100%. And by taking away the mandatory overtime they no longer have to cover routes when someone is away if they don’t have enough coverage. This is bad on so many levels and yet people are so eager to get their little signing bonus.
Who wants to work more hours for this misguided company.Also pay more taxes to the Liberals who are trying to kill our job .
I don’t even care for overtime, and I’m voting no.
Canadapost.ca/offers you can read the full offer for yourself
That’s too logical for the CUPW groupies. They’d rather just keep telling everyone the offer isn’t available.
You know what I find hilarious is CUPW going crazy in panic to tell everyone to vote NO sending misinformation and fabrication to it membership, threatening members to Vote No, just imagine if they used this same energy and effort to fight for a contract we would’ve had something over a year ago 😂 Proving how Naive you all are pushing for no, and falling for their lies and games.. If you had half a brain you’d recognize CUPW’S Narcissistic ways.. Why do they want control so bad, because the sheep are easy to manipulate.. Can’t control me and I see through the BS, I’m voting yes, because I can think for myself and you sheep need to be told what to do and not allowed to speak.. So obvious the dirty behavior of CUPW.. Pushing arbitration to get worse than the offer we presented, show me a CUPW counter offer that has our demands and not CUPW demands and I’ll vote NO, No transparency is a clear Yes, you’ve all been fooled..
Every offer the union has presented has represented our demands. We voted on the demands a long time ago. Where you shills are getting this info that the union isn’t bargaining on our behalf using demands that the membership voted for is beyond me. You should be embarrassed.
You’re totally right. Since 1965, CUPW has settled two contracts. Every other negotiation has ended in a strike or lock-out. They are the worst union in Canada. Good union allow and encourage members to vote on offers. It’s standard practice.
Yes, yes, yes for me!!
It’s hilarious that you think this is CUPW’s fault. For years Canada Post has sat back and refused to beargin in good faith because they know that the Government will step in and help them out. This is happening to Union’s all over the country. It isn’t the Union’s fault, it is the Provincial and Federal Governments.
Why do you think CPC is pushing for a vote? They realize arbitration will give them less of what they want this contract.
You seem naive thinking CUPW and CUPW alone could make both parties agree to a fair contract. Consider that CUPW initiated negotiations October 2023, but management didn’t even give their 1st low ball offer until August 2024, the delay was definitely by management.
Arbitration in 2018 got CUPW a better contract than what management offered, and with no roll backs.
Vote Yes and get the Cpc offer from May 28. And some peace of mind and stability for at least two years . Vote NO and goes to arbitration and you get same offer from Cpc or offer from Cupw depending on which one is picked. Now this process may take awhile and you will still have instability, concern and uneasiness. So choice is yours,feel better after YES Vote or NO vote and feel better way down the road maybe.
I think you are confusing binding, vs final offer selection. I binding they take a little from both sides. In final offer selection they pick one or the other.
Arbitration in 2018 got CUPW a better contract than what management offered, and with no roll backs.
Vote yes and the roll backs offered by management this time becomes permanent. It will carry on to future contracts. Vote no for a better contract for the present and future.
This is copied and pasted from another post and not written by me. It sums all up perfectly in my opinion….
Uncertainty will follow either way. CPC management has shown no ability to pivot and will continue to lose hundreds of millions even with a yes vote. A no vote will send them a clear signal they need to start the change from the top, and not the bottom.
We will all be laid off and Canada Post will be privatized .
100% agreed! 👍
No. That’s my vote as a 4 year casual employee. Negotiate like adults. Stop. Just stop acting like children and negotiate in good faith. You are making a mockery of Canada post.
You want to read the full offer then log into mysite.canadapost.ca and go to intrapost. you can download the entire offer. Now quit whining and vote yes already. A no vote will mean a lockout and then if we are lucky it will be binding arbitration just like last time and the time before where we get less than what Canada Post offered and no signing bonuses. A no vote could lead us to being privatised just like in Germany, the United Kingdom, Japan and other countries, so yes it could happen here !
Do you honestly think it wont happen with a yes vote? First they’ll strip all our protections in what’s left of the cba then cut loose one by one to be replaced with part time gig workers. Only chance we have is a no vote and hope for nationwide pressure from all unions for govt to stay out of our charter rights
The difference between Germany, Japan and the UK is that it was profitable for the companies to take on the delivery of the mail. That is not the case in Canada. It might work for the Urban and Suburban areas, but it won’t work for the rural areas, they are too spread out and the Government knows that it would be a nightmare for them to deny people access to their mail.
Yes, everyone who says the offer isn’t available is misleading members. Or maybe people don’t know how to navigate intrapost or read and understand documents. Either way, just more CUPW propoganda.
I think at this point you are speculating what could happen. We are currently working, the two sides are at a stalemate. Cpc wants a vote, for the first time in 34 years I’ve been employed here. They know they will not get a better deal In binding arbitration
Do you mind posting the link please? When I try to, I just keep getting a 4-page pdf that looks like maybe the summary?? Can’t find the full offer to review🙁the link would be very appreciated sir!
Lies. Last time we went to arbitration in 2018 CUPW got a better contract than what management offered, and with no roll backs. Vote no to get a better contract.
Privatization will solve none of CPC’s problems. UK Mail still loses money and still has labor disruptions. DHL is a private corporation. They claim to be losing money and just locked out their employees. Talk of privatization is just another management fear mongering tactic.
Hey Canada Post pllease put the full 700 pages CP offer on the negotiation hub, so you convince people it’s not a trick.
They have released it and it’s posted online. Please use yourmbrain and stop trusting CUPW propoganda.
100% a NO vote for me. It is shameful that our constitutional right to fair negotiated collective agreement has been stripped once again. Shame!
Not a good contract. Nor is it nice to strong arm us. NO thank you.
The NEB didn’t bring this offer to a vote for a reason. It’s trash! No vote for me!
Hard no from me.
No!
Say no to this trash!
I am disgusted by management’s attempt to divide and bribe the membership. We are not stupid and it is insulting to be treated this way. Psychological warfare against your workers? Pretty sad
If you thought management was on your side you are very gullible. They get paid to LIE to you.
Yup. Targeting, harassment, and abuse of employees is systemic at CPC management. Change needs to start from the top.
Big fat no from me. Your offer is garbage.
You all are a bunch of crooks
You are not allowing the membership to read the entire 700+ pages. I wonder why? Perhaps because it’s a terrible contract? You will be getting a NO from this plant worker.
But it’s available as a PDF on intrapost. Are you clueless?
The funniest thing here is that the brain trust making those massive salaries actually thinks that this vote has a chance of being a yes and passing, they really are even more clueless than I could have ever imagined.
If you think voting is legit you are so misinformed. This is Canada we are so corrupt. The CIRB/Liberal Government will rig the vote YES anyways .The Union would rig it NO if they could host it .
The fact that their going over our union to “force” a vote or the comments that you don’t need a lawyer to read this contract instantly tell me something dirty is going on.
I’m voting NO!
100% agree!
> *If this post disappears, it may have been censored—suggesting CUPW is choosing to suppress the right to freedom of expression. Let’s see if those who voted “No” can respect the choice made by “Yes” voters without resorting to harassment.*
For AI inistration purposes.
📬 **Why I’m Voting YES to Canada Post’s Final Offer**
After nearly 18 months of waiting, it’s time to make our voices count. This offer brings:
✔️ A 13.59% raise over four years
✔️ Up to $1,000 in signing bonuses
✔️ Earlier cost-of-living protection
✔️ No more mandatory overtime
✔️ Pension and benefits fully preserved
✔️ Job security and vacation untouched
Its not a good deal, * BUT* A YES vote means stability, security, and the power to move on.
Let’s close this chapter—together.
🗳️ **Vote YES** for your future.
How could CUPW censor your comment? You’re posting on a Canada Post website. You are stunned.
By voting yes you agree to ssd, agree to dynamic routing, agree to CPC filling up your “gap time”. If you are an inside worker, you will be targeted next time around. They somehow found over 50 million in signing bonuses, of which you will receive half. This from a so called broke corporation. Be careful if filling out a yes vote.
This site is heavily moderated by CPC not CUPW many of my thoughtful posts were deleted . Thank you Canada Post for your interference.
This is CPs website dumb dumb. CUPW has not control over it. Based on the fact you can’t understand that simple concept speaks a lot to your intelligence so it’s no wonder you’d vote yes. This offer is garbage and is only worth of a no vote.
You do know that this is CPC’s website, right? If the post disappears, it wouldn’t be CUPW’s fault.
This website is run by CPC management. If your message is censored, it was done by management. Your logic about censorship is as bad as your logic for voting yes. Yes locks in roll backs to future contracts. 10 of the 18 months we waited for management to make their 1st offer. Vote no. Management needs to do better!
Yes
Will definitely be voting NO.
So everyone wants to see the full contract. CUPW has a copy of it. Why won’t they share the whole thing so everyone can see why you should vote NO. They are quick to list reasons to vote NO to but when it was time to keep the members informed they say nothing. Does anyone know why they rejected the “Global Offer”. All they say is that it falls short. Short on what? Which aspects? Members would really like to stay informed. In my 25+ years and many negotiations this is the least transparent negotiating team I had seen. They say nothing and just expect everyone to follow like a good heard of sheep.
I for one make my own decisions based on the best information available to me at the time, so show everyone the whole offer so we can decide for ourselves if the offer is going to get a YES or NO vote. Knowledge is power and NEB wants to keep all the power to themselves. Members are not wise enough to make a decision for themselves.
I hope the Vote is a big YES so we can show CUPW that people have power if given the chance to exercise it. After that we can say BYE BYE to CUPW and get a union that actually listens to it’s members.
Get informed and VOTE!!!
Why don’t you ask Canada Post for a copy? It’s their offer to share. Why do you think the union should be making it available for us? As it’s a legal document, I don’t even think it’s available to share. Do you really think it’s going to provide you with any more clarity? I for one, trust our negotiating committee to inform us of the main points of the offer that are crap. I don’t need to see anymore and my vote is a definite NO. Btw, I am an Group 1 worker in a letter carrier depot. This offer wouldn’t affect my job yet, but I care about the 54,999 rest of my fellow brothers and sisters.
After 25 years in you should know how this company works by now. In your time here, When has CPC ever pushed for a vote vs pushing for binding arbitration. Ask yourself why, and you will realize that they know that in arbitration they will not get all their demands met
I don’t agree with either side, if I’m honest.
The employer is asking for too much with little to give. The union is being unreasonable in some areas, especially looking from a business standpoint. I’m just a replaceable number to my employer and a pawn to my union.
And who suffers, this single mom of three and people alike. This whole duration of negotiations, I’ve only seen a union rep twice! Solidarity though right? The games the employer plays reminds me of a narcissistic I dated once.
I’d like to move forward so I can continue raising my children without the additional burden of working and being represented by two groups of individuals who have developed the emotional intelligence of a toddler.
The stress both sides have put on the actual workers, is nauseating.
Unless I’m able to view all 700 pages of the contract, I am left no choice but to vote no…
An honest post. I appreciate that. We are in the middle, and you have to vote based or your needs and wants.
Canadapost.ca/offers
Why would anyone in a Union vote YES to a Union busting contract such as this? It’s a pile of manure that does not benefit the workers or the company in the long run.
You’re bang on! Vote no to this offer!
We stopped being a union years ago. Just a left wing activist organization now.
Hey CUPW, you talk about Violence in the workplace, why you bullying people to Vote No..? The irony.. Time to press charges and get police involved..
I agree 💯% Biggest bullies are CUPW and their minions at my plant.But I go right back at them…I dont take orders from CUPW
I find it hard to believe people are being bullied to vote either way. You have a choice, and if you are bullied from either side you have resources available to help you. Please stop spreading misinformation
Its called a PSI -OP to create confusion and win the no minds . The Government played you during the pandemic , the union and corporation played you for the last 18 months. Its right out of the propaganda playbook of Marxism .
Hard no. Go back to the table and negotiate with cupw.
Cupw is incapable of negotiating. If you can not get an agreement t after 2 years you need to go. No other union is that ineffective. They use the part time employees to support the full timers, they have wasted thousands sitting in hotels eating & drinking and responsible for wage cuts to new hires 12 years ago; responsible for all OT going to FT employees only and responsible for encouraging a senior population who should be retired to continue working with accommodation. Getting a salary , OT when offered, CP pension & CPP & OAS many making over &100k with no education. Wow!! . It is a travesty All CUPW knows is how to I increase dues and ask part time and casuals to pay same dues as full timers. No other union dues this. They need to be gone
CUPW had 18+ months showing how useless they are and you are suggesting the same BS over and Over.. I hope they lock us out because union is broke and you can go find another job because you can’t survive.
NO! Why would I vote on a 700 page contract that I haven’t seen? That’s just ridiculous!
This is getting ridiculous.. we are all voting no.
No “we’re” not all voting no.
My station is yes
Definitely a NO VOTE! CP should bargain with the UNION, not the members. I am so embarrassed to work for such a BULLYING company that constantly lies to the media and the public. If CP got rid of their top-heavy, mismanaging management, they would not be in the situation THEY ALONE PUT THEMSELVES IN. But, let’s just blame the workers and make them look bad. Little does CP know that a NO vote is pretty much guaranteed!
NOPE. Disgusting employer.
Delusional union “leadership”.
hello comrades. who extended the contract during covid? also who refused to defy legyslation? thanks for reading.
all you elbows up solidarity clowns i have a question for you all. where was this solidootory when your brothers and sisters who chose bodily autonomy could not work and lose thousands for dollars?
Finally someone remembers . Yes why would I have any sympathy for the pro Mandaters of CUPW and CPC . The Irony is we have the former Health Minister now as a Labour Minister who is forcing the vote just like the JAB.
guys this is a government passed vote, what do you think this wont be rigged like the federal elections. government and cpc both wants to get it done and over with no matter what anyone chooses. It will end up being a yes to the offer. Its been to long and this is all already decided for. This is just a formality to show some sort of control.
Then cupw should telling all members abstain from voting period. That sends a message
Of course it will be rigged.
I vote no
Voting no on this horrible forced offer. Should be ashamed of yourselves for not bargaining with our union in good faith. Shame on you
It’s a NO for me, offer is garbage!
CUPW does not own me!!! It has NO RIGHT to control and influence my voice and my choice as it belongs only and fully to me ! I have the freedom of expression and MY right to exercise my will to the best of my interests, CUPW does not impose the way I vote. In present circumstances, I will Vote YES, and it matters to me!
Yes and yes. Can’t agree more. 13% is Better than what anywhere is offered.
Ok….
CUPW is not controlling your voice, as evidenced by your post today. Both sides are trying to influence you. You should vote your conscious. I’m voting no.
NOPE
I’m a big NO vote!
Absolutely yes.
If it’s no I don’t blame canada post to just lock us out.
Maybe union honks need to get evicted from there apartments for things to sink in!!!
Csuite at canada post is so amazingly out of touch with their workforce. They are absolutely clueless about how to run this business and how to treat their employees.
This is the lowest this company has sunk since they tried bussing scabs in and using helicopters across picket lines in the 90s. There is absolutely no way anyone in their right mind would vote for this “offer.”
No.
It’s strange how every comment I make on actual rights being trampled on never makes it to these threads….hmmmm, I wonder why??
Moderators are illiterate.as well .It has to fit the narrative .
This offer is garbage. And I say offer because there has been no contract given to vote on. Where is it?
CPC built a whole new webpage of propaganda trying to shove this down our throats but won’t even post the actual contract? This is so greasy.
Yes
I’ll be voting yes. Change is needed so I can still have a job to retire from one day. I’ll learn to adapt to the changes just like every other change there has been over the years
Good luck with that, flex and load leveling will destroy LC, as LCs retire they will only be replaced with part time workers. Sad really. If you vote no it goes to arbitration, and we will get nothing less then this final offer. Think about that.
Any LC voting yes must be new or out of their minds. As an LC I’ll be voting no. I’ve had it being harassed threatened smothered overworked and just generally treated like crap for the last 18 months through no fault of my own because I dare ask for a decent wage and some job security for an honest days work. I will not be subjected to ceo whims
Hope your body holds up to all the added wear and tear without failing before retirement.
I’m an LC one yesr away from retirement and my body has held up fine. That’s one of the great things about our job, being paid to ne active and excercise. It is a physical job though, it’s up to you to keep up with nutrition, strength training, stretching etc. If uour body ‘breaks down’ it’s totally your own fault. BTW I still run, cycle, hike and snowboard for fun so the job hasn’t hurt my body at all.
The changes they have planned, not just this contract, but for the ones in 4-8 years will wear carriers out in 5-7 years. You can think what you want and that’s fine. When I was under 40 I used to think the same as you, that there is no route that I couldn’t handle. Now that I’m 50, and everything hurts, I am singing a different tune. The days of the 30 year employee are over. They want to wear you out and move on to the next. Inside workers are next in their crosshairs.
This is exactly me. Could not agree more. Letter carrier for 25 yrs.
You won’t have a job to retire from, nor a pension that will cover you for life. Canada post cannot go bankrupt, it’s simply impossible.
Very realistic take amd I agree with you. CUPW is not living in reality and apparently their groupies also aren’t. Thankfully I think most of us are smart enough to vote ‘yes’.
The Groupies drink the same union KOOL-AID gives them super skills in the art of I CANT THINK FOR MYSELF . Will you think for me. NEB ,Regional ,and maybe a Local or two .
No. Garbage contract. Nobody I’ve talked to is voting yes either.
You’re a nobody and no one wants to talk to you, I’ve talked to many ready to vote Yes, you’re a CUPW victim player, never worked a day worth your wages.. You’re the minority, can’t wait to watch you panic like CUPW is going crazy now, if you don’t want a job vote NO and leave
That’s a bold statement and I’m Surprised that got posted. I would hope that is just emotions talking, not the way you actually think.
I guess you don’t talk to many people outside of the union hall.
voting yes
Lol, are you kidding? You actually think that nobody is voting yes? This will go through as a yes vote at around @75%. I am willing to bet that the $1000 signing bonus alone will be enough for the majority of people. There are a lot of families and mouths to feed relying on this income, and CPC knows that.
This is not a “final” offer that I can in good conscience vote yes for, so it’s a definite NO for me. Once you come back to the table with an honest offer for our negotiators to bring to the membership to vote on, I might just consider it.
Where can I read the actual contract?
A propaganda webpage is not a contract.
Ask CUPW for transparency, there’s your propaganda, their lies and you believing them.
Should be able to read one on the CUPW site, shouldn’t we?
how many times did you read the entire contract in time’s past?
NO NO
I am voting NO to the substandard contract
So your saying the vote on the offer “becomes the new collective agreement”? That’s some pretty fancy steps you’re taking to remove our rights and dismantle the public post office. No way in gods green earth would anyone ever vote yes to a contract they’ve never seen- not your Cole’s notes version – the full dam truth version, without your “you get to keep” garbage – that ain’t an offer that’s theft bcs it’s not up for grabs
CUPW pushing to privatize, enjoy unemployment..
voting yes
Exactly!
Canadapost.ca/offers
NO!
I am not interested in your offer. Once you have a respectful offer that is not going to gut the work force and gigify
voting yes
Read the 10 reasons why you should vote NO according to Cupw. Cpc has the opposite 10 reasons why you should vote YES. Which prapaganda are you gonna fall for?
10 reasons to vote yes, Canada Post pays my wage
NO!
It s not propaganda, it is black and white. They want you to give up on benefits we fought for for decades. They consider old gains to be new wins. Yay, we get to keep our pensions.
I haven’t used my benefits in 25 years here because I save my money and pay for better benefits through a different plan. My pension more important to me, leave if your pension is not why you’re here…
VOTE NO BABY!!!
The Champ says vote Yes!
I’m with The Champ, he knows 🏆 it’s a Yes
There is a reason we have unions. This violates so many rights! How are we supposed to vote on a contract we cant even see in its entirety. It be like signing a mortgage without reading all the details. No one in their right minds agrees to sign anything without reading it. Canada Post is corrupt. If the government wants to do anything they should be investing the people running Canada Post.
It’s illegal to violate our rights to vote, your misinformed by those who brainwashed you with propaganda..
But we’re able to vote ‘yes’ or ‘no’, or not vote at all. Our democratic rights are being upheld. It is the CUPW NEB that is trying to take away our rights, only allowing us to vote on offers they approve of. We pay CUPW over $1200 a year each, they should be following our wishes. Not the other way around.
lol
Voting NO !!!
Jeese about time to be included in this process. We don’t know all the facts ? What’s wrong with CUPW hiding the truth and facts about their demands?? Thanks to Cpc trying to save a sinking ship. Yes vote for all. Can’t fix a hole in a boat with scotch tape. People THINK. CUPW hasn’t
Yes I agree. Most of us who are hard-working and have common sense know Canada Post has to change the way we deliver in order to survive. This offer is a compromise that contains many good things as well as some changes that are not as good. We all know CUPW never compromises, therefore an agreement would never be reached and no offer from Canada Post would ever be good enough for them. Intelligent people know both sides have to give in order to move forward. Now every member has a chance to vote privately for what they think is best. Itabout time.
There is no way you are a member of cupw
Wow, 🤯
CPC senior management helped sink the ship .They were following orders.The CEO just sailed it into a reef and ripped it open .It’s taking on water .I don’t think there are any lifeboats either ,There are plenty of yellow vests but don’t expect to float in them .Hope you know how to swim in rough water.
No matter the outcome of the vote ,the executives of Cpc and Cupw will continue to get bonuses ,trips,benefits. Why don’t you just like I did get a life and be happy.
Yes and here we go, CUPW of course trying to bully members into doing what they want. One of reasons they listed to vote no is false. They said a 6% raise was unacceptable. It’s not 6% it’s 13.59 %. If CUPW is so confident this is a bad proposal, why are they bullying members to follow their agenda? Use your own judgment, do what’s best for you. Whether you vote yes or no, let it be your decision, NOT CUPW OR CPC.
Sounds like you are a bootlicker working for the corp. no union member would vote for this ugly contract
Of course CUPW is working hard to bombard us with their propoganda. Most of the things they’re saying are twisting every point of the new offer so much that they can’t possibly be true. The reason: CUPW is terrified that the membership will vote ‘Yes’. If they had done a proper, professional job during negotiations last fall and actually compromised, there would be no need for a vote at all. They could have come to an agreement with Canada Post in October and there would have been no strike. Instead we had a six week loss of wages, over $5000 each for every full-time worker, all for nothing. Now all 55,000 members have a chance to vote and decide our own future. CUPW should be fully supporting this vote, but that would require adult behavior. Luckily our useless union doesn’t control the government or Canada Post.
At no point did CUPW say this was 6% for all 4 years. 6% the first year, yet the COLA money for the first year was 5%, so it’s really just 1% for year 1.
Actually we already received the 5% in year 1, so actually their offer is 8.59% over four years. Nice try though.
I AGREE !
It’s a Huge yes for the Majority, Thank you Minister and CPC for allowing this opportunity LEGALLY while CUPW tried to prevent us having any say… Binding arbitration will be worse so get out and vote, and don’t be intimidated by any CUPW rep, you can report them to the labour board for any threats they make forcing you to vote NO.. Get out and VOTE..!!!
Why would you think binding would be worse? There is a reason CPC wants to force a vote. They know binding will be worse for them. Every other time CPC pushed for binding, why not now? They somehow found 55 million for 1000 dollar signing bonuses. A broke company does not do this.
Ha ha ha, arbitration will be better simply because it starts with the latest offer by management. It cannot get worse. Stop spreading lies.
Our Vote Is No!!!
As an employee of 32 years, I’ve never felt more disdain from the employer than during this round of negotiations. We worked through the pandemic and were hailed as heroes but are now being treated as liabilities. The final offer is an insult to every employee past, present and future. You can count on me for a NO vote and I have been encouraging coworkers to vote NO as well. Perhaps it’s time to examine the root causes of the financial losses at Canada Post. The employees are assets. Management has created this situation and should be held accountable. It is reprehensible to not only continue to employ incompetent managers but to financially reward them for their poor performance.
Agreed
If only once the union hired professional negotiators!!!
DECERTIFY CUPW!!!
A big NO vote for me .
When you try to bribe your workers with a $1000 signing bonus from a supposedly broke company .
To much corporate lies.
How the hell are you going to pay that 300 million dollar COLA grievance when you lose ?
I vote no.
Go to binding arbitration and work out each item on an individual basis instead of wrapping everything up in 1000$ signing bonus.
If you go to arbitration, there is no more negotiating. The arbitrator basically picks a side based on what they want. All or nothing.
Respect each others right to chose YES or NO. What will be,will be. How we got to this point and whether you agree or disagree is irrelevant. We are here now ,have the opportunity to vote.
Yes
That’s an easy NO vote
How about you actually negotiate with your employees
Lets hope it passes so we can move on and build Canada post strong
I fully agree, and have to say you’re brave using your real name. Most of us who have spoken up in our workplaces to support the ‘yes’ side have been harassed and bullied by CUPW groupies. Don’t be intimidated and remember, we will be voting privately. It’s our right to vote, no matter what CUPW says.
That sadly will not happen.
You can be as involved or uninvolved as you want to be. Do you attend GMMs? Are you active in any of your committees? Are you a steward? Have you written any resolutions to be sent up to have changes made? Its easy to sit back, do nothing, and then say your opinion wasn’t counted. If you want to be involved then get involved.
There is no strong for this company look who runs it look who runs our Government .There will be just more wasted $$$$$.
Hey kids look at the offer from Canada Post on May 28. Figure out without pressure from anyone how this offer will impact your lives,if at all. With cool calm and sober attitude ,make a decision either YES or NO. Don’t worry about others or the results ,just VOTE!
When you look at union/corporate environments in successful companies in europe, the corporation asks the experts, the union workfloor, about potential changes to the work environment. Workers are able to quickly explain why changes like those proposed by cpc are non-starters, they will only make our jobs more detrimental to our mental, physical, and financial well-being. Trying to break our CUPW representation, us, is as low as a moral compass can go. Vote no, corporate cpc needs to do better by all Canadians: it’s just really really sad that it has come to this.
I will be voting no
No
No to offer. Actually CPC should not be asking for vote. Please negotiate with union negotiators.
Union wants to go to arbitration. No more negotiating.
Where is this contract?
Should be on the CUPW site, shouldn’t it?
I would like a complete copy of the offer so that I can make an informed decision
Same
I SAY we should VOTE yes for a good chaNge On there beautiful amazing offer! NO NO way we can’t take any amazing offer
Where is the whole offer???? Why are you only showing a very small portion??? Very shady..
This 100%!!
I vote NO
I vote yes, since CUPW screwed us over with the overtime ban.
Right on. With ya
Overtime will disappear with this contract. No more sorting callbacks with ssd, no more walking callbacks with dynamic routing. Think about it.
CUPW doesn’t care about it’s members losing money. Every full-time member lost more than $5000 in part-one of our never-ending strike. Now they’re taking away overtime money, again for no good reason. Vote ‘yes’ and end this nonsense.
Complaining about not being able to work overtime meaning you want extra money yet your going to vote yes on an offer that gives wage increases below inflation and is a pay cut to carriers due to losing flyer pay. Man, do you not see the irony here at all???
Can’t ever get over even if there was no ban. Union made sure it’s for full timers only so They can stuff themselves
Hoping the vote is online as not everyone can vote in person somewhere on short term and long-term disability.
Come on you can’t move ? Long term short term unless you’re bed bound. Get out and vote. You can get to your doctors appointments. Get better ❤️🩹
Finally! Should have been given a chance to vote when the offer was presented.
I will 100% be voting “No”. You can’t just bypass the bargaining process!!!
2 years of supposed bargaining wasn’t enough?? Whatever you vote, just get out and vote and we’ll see when the results come in. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think it’s the best proposal but if the result of the vote is no, we’ll go to arbitration and you can bet, what we get through arbitration, will be alot worse. History proves that. Do what’s right for you.
2 years of “supposed” bargaining WASNT enough, no, because it WASNT bargaining. Go beyond flashy headlines and do some true investigative work here. The corporations doesn’t have to bargain. Why would they? They can repeatedly do what they’ve been doing to smear the union and force government action. That’s not negotiating.
Don’t you want two more years of bargaining .Maybe we can get everything the union proposed. C’mon just a little while longer . While we lose more money and our homes .
Can’t bypass the bargaining process? Its been 18 months of bargaining with both sides acting like children! At least CPC realizes its 2025 not 1985
I am still voting NO
I will be voting NO
Vote No! We are getting duped!
Where is the contract we are supposed to be voting on?
Exactly this!
We have a brief summary, there’s no way to vote on a brief summary except NO.
I’m so thankful the government through the Minister is allowing us a chance to vote on this offer. Even if CUPW thinks the offer is bad and asks members to vote ‘No’, I still can’t understand why they’re against the vote itself. Does the CUPW NEB think only they should be able to decide when and if an offer is worthy of a vote? I think every member should have an equal say, since we all pay more than $1200 a yesr to CUPW. If our union was able to compromise, they could have reached a settlement back in October before the strike. Instead, every full-time member lost at least $5000 in a totally useless strike. Now we have a chance to take back control from CUPW and decide our own future. Don’t let CUPW groupies bully you, decide for yourself. It’s our right.
I’m voting NO!!
Voting no
NO WAY! Stop ruining our bodies for less efficient “ideas” for not enough money or benefits
My YES vote is ready. Give me the info so I can vote and we can resume normal business again.
Bye 👋 CUPW!
And who do you think will replace cupw? It’ll be a union one way or the other
Why do you need a union? Save the $100 plus a month for union dues and you can surely hire a great lawyer if there are any issues with that money Of course you will have to meet job requirements like every other job and we all know union protects lazy workers
Don’t like the union leave. We voted on the program of demands. The union has a duty to get a contract that is as close to those demands as possible. A yes vote will mean the loss of many jobs and will make it almost impossible to go from part time to full time.
You’ll be the one leaving. The lazy, dishonest cheaters will be gone and those of you actually work and love the job will sing hallelujah!
In this contract there is a big turn off for me, the end of per piece flyer pay, that’s terrible… I would vote No, but since CUPW is interested in time values and not on fighting to keep the per piece flyer pay, I’ll have to vote YES, because Job security and stopping uncertainty is also very important!
Good advice. It’s a very good thing that thanks to the Minister we all have a chance to vote. Or not vote at all. It’s our choice.
A big fat No , a horrible employer
So leave and get another job, your the problem with society..Lazy and want a hand out..
Then go work at McDonald’s! Oh wait you have to WORK. Such a bad word! Lol
The wouldn’t last anywhere, probably a lazy PO4
This will be one of the first times I vote No to a contract . After 40. years I have never seen a more anti union move than this . I am embarrassed to work this long for a company that has such low regard for the law collective bargaining or its employees.
Everyone I no will give you a big fat No
40 years and not retired. You must be one of those households that think budgets balance themselves.
What are you still working for?
Get a life holding a future hire position.. 40 years and broke like CUPW..🤡 Paying nothing to our Pensions.. Useless
If union were a like old phone, it needs an upgrade or to be replaced by a new phone. Union was rightious in 30s or even in 80s. Now? 🤔🤷
I’m going to vote no. There is no way I am agreeing to a contract that I cannot read in its entirety.
first you probably do not know how to read. second how many previous contracts did you read in it’s entirety, including our current one?
When the corporation bargains fairly and doesn’t repeatedly walk away from the bargaining table like a toddler that doesn’t get what it wants, then the membership doesn’t need to read an entire contract because their LEGAL BARGAINING AGENT does that legwork for them to decide if a contract is worthy of ratification.
When the corporation decides to union bust and relies on the anti-worker government to do the same, that’s when the entirety of a 700+ page offer needs to be made available for this sham to have even a shred of legitimacy.
Honorable and wise to not agree or disagree to a binging legal document you’ve not bee give. The chance to review. Pure shame there is a pressure for Immediate answers from the government, the corporation, and this anonymous “peers.”
NOPE
Sorry where is the complete offer. The 700 pages, no vote until I receive it. Thanks
How many times you going to post your nonsense..? Why don’t you post CUPW counter offer than..? 1000+ pages of benefits to CUPW and not the membership.. cope harder
The vote is on the Cpc 700 page offer? Not cupw’s. Stay informed.