Why the vote and why change is needed
June 20, 2025, 03:08 pm
695 comments
As we’ve shared before, our preference has always been to reach agreements with CUPW and have it proceed to an employee ratification vote. After a year and a half of discussions, the assistance of established mediators, four global offers and an Industrial Inquiry Commission hearing and report, the parties unfortunately remain at a major impasse.
Another path to a resolution vote in the Canada Labour Code is for the Minister of Jobs and Families to direct that a vote be held on the employer’s latest offer, when they believe that it’s in the public interest for employees to be given that opportunity.
We requested a vote from the Minister because it was clear that there was no path to resolution through further negotiations. This allows employees to vote and decide whether to accept or reject an agreement. It gives employees the opportunity to have a voice, especially as we begin to implement needed changes.
What it means for you
As a CUPW-represented employee, you will now have the opportunity to vote on the offer that applies to you (CUPW-Urban or CUPW-RSMC). If approved, the offer would become your new collective agreement.
Why change our delivery model?
To be competitive in the parcel delivery market, we must evolve our delivery model. Our current approach is no longer suited to the demands of today’s customers, and is not aligned with where the market is headed. If we’re serious about reclaiming our position as Canada’s leading parcel delivery company, we need to act now.
Declining parcel volumes over the past few years have made this challenge even more urgent. You’ve seen this reality firsthand, and it was a key point during recent negotiations.
We’ve proposed phased, gradual changes designed to help us rebuild and grow our parcel business. This is not just essential to improving our service offering, it is essential to sustain the improvements we’ve made – such as wage increases and signing bonuses – and to safeguard the benefits, job security, and pensions included in our offers.
As outlined in our full offers to CUPW, our goal is to preserve a national public service, protect jobs, and responsibly adapt to the evolving landscape.
What to expect
The Minister’s directive sets clear expectations for both parties during the vote. Both parties shall cooperate to establish the voting list, make information on the offers available to eligible voters and participate in “any manner the CIRB deems necessary to facilitate the conduct of the votes.”
We will continue to provide clear and factual information on the offers to help you understand their contents, and how it would impact you if ratified through a vote.
More information
- Visit canadapost.ca/offers to learn about the offers.
- Read the Dynamic Routing fact sheet.
- Read the load leveling fact sheet.
- Read the full contractual language of the offer for the Urban bargaining unit and the full contractual language of the offer for the RSMC bargaining unit.
- Read the Minister’s directive to the CIRB.
Stay informed
We’re working to provide employees with the information they need to make an informed choice when they vote. Stay tuned for further updates and visit the Negotiations Hub to sign up for email updates directly to your inbox.
CUPW Urban
I hope it’s becoming clear that the leadership of this company is a bunch of amateurs…Who’s gonna say yes to this?
All those who don’t trust their future to be on the hands of CULTW nothing burgers
Vegas odds are 2 to 1 that the Toronto Blue Jays will win the Stanley Cup before the Toronto Maple Leafs. As a side note,the odds are even Cpc and Cupw will both get 50% of the vote . My money is on the Jays.
here is a fact cupw can’t even file financial reports on time. sometimes years late why….Because numbers never lie 1+1 always = 2. So they need time to deal with the truth.
Easy way to tell if CUPW executives are Lying. Their mouths are moving. They must have an agenda and it probably has something to do with member money! Funny how they won’t tell us certain facts until they are mad. classic sign of compulsive agenda LIARS.
Exactly.. They’re hiding something, not being transparent and so many bozos here defending them, when all the union cares about is our money and vacations.. So many delusional people here…
There are some people who are so angry with Cupw and Cpc that they will use this platform telling you they are angry with Cupw and Cpc. How pathetic.
Too bad everyone wasn’t as well adjusted as you. Soon every member will get a chance to say if we’re happy with the new offer or angry at the new offer.
You know what’s more pathetic besides your comment, is that CUPW doesn’t have the guts to create a forum for the membership to tell them how they feel, but CPC has allowed us here, yet all you do is complain but will say nothing to our useless union because you sit there and take abuse.. The pathetic one is you, not seeing CUPW doesn’t care about us all.
I’ve had it with these so called funny remarks. This is a platform for intelligent comments made by people of quality skill. And soon as I find them we will make an intelligent comment.
You won’t find that from CUPW, the intelligence level is Donkey..
There is no way I’m hinting as to how I will vote. I couldn’t say yes but I wouldn’t say no.
I used to be very indecisive but now I’m not so sure
Effective immediately I will not give away any trade secrets regarding Canada Post so that other postal companies won’t find out how to properly run a post office.sarcasm ? You think.
Is it the same entity who monitors these comments who will monitor the vote?
Bonus 1000 dollars x 55000 inmates. = $55 000 000. Now can you imagine if Cpc wasn’t bankrupt how much the bonus would be .
Exactly!
correction probably 20 percent is part time so 46million for full timers. then additional for part timers. and No money company didnt the same 1000 dollar each person to the cpaa. where is the money coming from now.
Your future Your vote. Nice to see Cupw is giving details of the offer. Or is it a rouge put on my Cpc?
I will not make any more sarcastic remarks in this platform unless it pertains to sarcastic remarks.
If you have multiple personalities are you allowed to vote more then once?
Lol!Sarcasm Sally,you are a RIOT!
It obvious that my post are closely followed by management…
Many of them are now censored. Must be that they don’t like what I have to say.
When you have critical and credible information to clarify the BS in this info post they shut you up.
Is that why you refuse to negotiate with the Union?
Just saying!
Canada Post did try to negotiate with the CUPW. They met more than 200 times. They even offered to send unresolved issues to arbitration back in October 2024. That was before our useless strike. CUPW refused arbitration. Now suddenly, CUPW wants arbitration. But only so they can blame the arbitrator or the government for whatever the result will be. The problem has always been CUPWs unrealistic and unreasonable demands. Now it’s too late, but thankfully all members get a chance to vote and hopefully soon.
Canada Post didn’t negotiate then offered binding arbitration. After the strike they received the Kaplan report, then with that in hand, refused binding arbitration…Why?
Management open an info post, and now negotiates with employees.
Who are you to say your info is “critical and credible?” Your info on applying current contract COLA to the hourly wage of the future contract is inaccurate; read article 39.05 in its entirety and tell us where it says COLA is applied to the basic hourly rate of pay.
We have a company bleeding hundreds of millions of dollars a year proposing changes that should have been made years ago to stay relevant in a competitive market, and we have a Union fighting against all change while pushing their progressive social agenda while trying to increase membership with zero value-added proposals like adding cleaning staff and snow removal contractors to the payroll.
Some of us here have been around a long time and have extensive knowledge of the CA. Our own experiences within the company shape our thoughts about how we’d like to vote, not because of someone else’s “critical and credible” information that may not be accurate or a reflection of our own personal experiences.
WOW, 39.05 Extra Hours When Temporary Employees are Required Group 1… Sorry I’m right and you’re wrong! Another reason you want to negotiate with employees.
The company is bleeding money because management accepts Group 2 work ethic. We lose contracts because of that, you know it and I know it.
It’s clear you don’t want an employee that speaks the truth, my experience about the going on in the workplace is accurate, critical of the boss action and credible. Open your eyes.
Seems like someone has a hate on for letter carriers.
He’s probably a lazy PO4 slob that sits down all day sorting 1 letter every 10 minutes or he’s a carrier on STDP because he chipped a nail. If you look at what a clown he is by all his posts, no common sense or Knowledge, a CUPW boot licker..
35.09…you got me on the typo, way to go!! You’re still not right. If inflation spikes in the first year of a contract to 10% and drops to 2% for the remainder of the contract, you get paid the lump sum in the first year; that doesn’t mean the new contract will automatically start with a 10% increase to the hourly wage because you say it does. The wording in the CA is quite clear….lump sum, and no reference to carrying forward to the next contract.
It’s not just work ethic, it’s also limitations to the delivery model and the CA itself. Having LCs finish their routes in five hours without the ability to assign additional duties at straight time is ludicrous. MSCs with unassigned time or ‘as directed’ time are often given additional tasks to fill their 8 hours, it should be no different for LCs.
My eyes have been open for over 20 years, in numerous roles. Both parties are responsible for the mess we’re in, but without drastic change we could all lose our jobs. We can’t rely on billion dollar handouts from the government without an attempt at changing the current broken model, status quo is clearly not working.
And a CA longer than 4 years would provide some much needed stability; we get to go through all of this again in two years.
OK boss, I’m not using your example, real life for me.
Our maximum regular hourly pay rate is $30.36 an hour. At the end of the CA, the COLA is worth $1.05 an hour. The COLA maintains the purchasing power adjusted for inflation. So you add this to $30.36 you get $31.41, the salary adjusted for inflation.
Now CP offer is $32.18 for the first year. That’s 2.46% more than $31.41, the salary adjusted for inflation.
You must accept the fact that the CA is never respected, that’s your responsibility. You should have stop those straights. You should have done that, in your case 20 years ago. It all started in the 80, so it’s been more than 45 years going on.
All of your complaints about the CA, to me, are worthless. The bosses must do their job; the respect of the sign CA, you are the one who can do it. Not the Union nor the employees. By permitting a free for all, you have let the quality of the service go.
Stop complaining about the 4 hours work for a calculated 8 hours day, it’s your fault. You had the break pedal, but you press on the gas. It’s normal for employees to take advantage of that.
Nobody wants to do business with us because of the quality of the service they receive.
You started with the name Just a Guy, now your Anonymous…so many of the negative comments are probably yours.
Just saying…
Enough with the group 2 criticisms. The number of issue are immeasurable. Who died and made you king? You certainly don’t “just” speak the truth or for others. You obviously love the sound of your own voice while preaching your my way or the highway orthodoxy to anyone who might actually listen to you on your soapbox. Cpc messed up big time. They are the ones in charge and they are the ones who agreed to any past negotiation gains or losses so stop with the employee are to blame BS.
CpC solely put us all into this mess. If they hired geniuses like you about 15-20years ago maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess but here we are. Instead of pointing fingers and dumping on fellow employees (if you even are an employee) maybe try being less antagonistic and annoying all the while criticizing the union for the same behaviour as yourself. I for one will not roll over one bit so they can try fixing 15 years of mismanagement in one contract negotiations
Very well said!!
Union doesn’t have the skill set to negotiate ,only dictate. Employees are finally getting the chance to be heard.
Keep telling yourself that. Huge Roll backs are coming if it’s a yes. I’m not in love with our union but at least they have the balls to say vote no
It’s obvious you love the sound of your own voice because you keep posting the same thing over and over. Try finding something constructive to add to the never ending dilemma we all keep facing everyday for the last going on two years instead of your incessant assault on group 2 employees as if the only reason for all this mess. Employees lack the authority or latitude that only cpc arrogance and mismanagement during past 15 or so years to squarely and solely put us in this position
I agree with some of your points. It’s true that employees lack the authority and latitude. We must all look in the mirror and realize most employees in group 2 want to finish early no matter what.
I do state that employees will take advantage of the possibility to finish early which is normal.
My point is we must stop our straight.
You may dislike my way of saying it, but I’m saying it.
Blah blah like CUPW trying to force us to vote against our wills, spewing lies and BS.. You wouldn’t have a job without CPC, go elsewhere if you’re not happy
And you would have any advantage or benefit without the Union. Continue your way of thinking and you won’t have nothing… but a three day work week
Keep on posting we need more information than what cpc is giving us
Yes. vote Cpc wins Cupw loses and they black list you. N0. vote Cupw wins Cpc loses and company blacklist you. Don’t vote no blacklist.
this will be a secret vote administered by a 3rd party… don’t know what you are talking about…
Cpc and Cupw couldn’t agree on a collective agreement after 2 yrs,what makes you think they can agree on a voting process . It may take til Christmas before we even get a chance to vote YES or NO.
Luckily CUPW has no say in the voting process. The vote is being conducted by rhe CIRB. They decide on the process. It would be nice if the vote happened soon. I assume they’re still setting it up, but who knows?
Just another extension of Government maybe it will be up at end of the summer .They have to have their summer holidays too.
Are you ready to go another stike or any reasonalbe action after vote wins NO? Please clearly say to members(CUPW) , what is your next plan. We are not ready to loss our wages(even overtime in X’mas days). Do you have any action which is not loss even one penny in our pay cheque. Are you ready to change your union fees if you lose that is YES wins. CUPW thinks their budget rather than members’ budget. Easter Ave branch in Toronto , most of union reps are Mail handlers, They never do their work, always with the phone . They say they talk to boss(union), I hope union have to put condition mail handlers cant be union reps!! They are good with Canada post rather than members. Over all, atleast consider(CUPW) about their members, and ask union reps to report every day what happen in the plant, Did you get any complaints or not. If yes , give detail and how to resolve it. These notes should review by union big bosses.
lol, no we just keep going. They said there would be no further action. So maybe we need to hear what the company plans to do after a STRONG ‘NO’ vote….
Hint it wouldn’t be to negotiate
Cupw should have negotiated that we all stay home and get paid never have I seen so much whining about the corp just quit …..no because where else u going to go get over it we are a out dated take ur pension and just leave
Can’t ask for that. That’s management’s job.
The union kept insisting on a negotiated contract. Going to arbitration, is not negotiating? The contract again the union has failed us. I do believe the members are anxious to vote on this contract. No, it’s not a 100% in favor of voting for a contract that wasn’t actually negotiated. But it is what we have, and we do have good paying jobs and the benefits are also good, but could be better… No date has yet to be set for this vote to take place. Most of us are anxious and want it to take place sooner than later
Out of 5500 union members a few anonymous post.
Who are you?
Are you an employees, managers, CPC negotiators?
Are you the same 50 managers or 50 employees writing things against our union?
Are you a negotiator illegally negotiating with a few anonymous?
Are you FedEx employees or UPS drivers?
So basically, Just saying, nothing written here should be believed.
This info post page is only here to divide the workers to conquer them. CPC won’t even give these anonymous people a tracking number so we could know if you’re the same 50 anonymous constantly complaining!
If you can’t identify yourself, don’t write anything.
When you have something useful to add, let us know. In the meantime cry, then cry again.
CUPW tears a joy to see
We will find out when we see the results of the vote. No one has to identify themselves on this forum. That’s why chances are very high that all of these comments are CUPW members being honest, not ‘managers’. Most of us do not enjoy being bullied online or in the workplace. But sorry, we have every right to speak against a union that has failed members time and again. We also have every right to vote on this offer. Hopefully soon.
Sorry I have uncovered many Boss.
I don’t doubt there are employees who post, this being said, I also can see many of them ill informed or do not understand exactly what is happening.
When management starts censoring you, you know your right!
Just saying!
Maybe your posts are just offensive and need to be censored?
I don’t know, the moderators on this page sure have allowed you to post a LOT of rhetorical nonsense so I can only imagine the brilliant missives that got “censored”. The vote is legal and apparently a lot of us are looking forward to it. As Chretien famously stated years ago “Da proof is da proof.” The vote is the vote and we’ll abide by the outcome for the duration of this contract.
What about misguided Corporate leadership that failed the workers and the Canadian Public. You can’t leave them out of their fair share of blame. Also the Liberal Government also gets its share of blame since it directs the Corporation and the CIRB .
More salt please on those Liberal cuts can you feel it burning yet.
Who are you to tell us to identify ourselves? Im starting to think you are an outsider because its 55,000 not 5500! And you just keep copy and pasting anyway
Thank you for noticing.
That makes 1.16% of the members that commented here, if you’re only members and that does include the bosses.
It would be nice to have a tracking number so the calculations would be accurate.
Sorry I had to change my name, the bosses are after me
LOL!
Dude, you’re not that important.
Lol
I think I I am one of the few going by their name or how they are known.
Great, nobody believes you either. You are just blowing hot air
Hey boss you’re back.
If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!
I’m not 100% CP even wants a Yes vote. Going by our depot sentiment they will have to tweak the contract a bit regarding load levelling, householder pay and wages reflecting the major rise in inflation that occured post covid.
lies lies lies all lies. voting no. i would rather have us go under arbitration.
Good luck with that! Arbitration wont side with CUPW with their ridiculous demands! I don’t think theyll even be able to read it theyll be laughing so hard! Especially when they see craft fairs and kool aid sales being added to the list!Hope they sell Cherry with lots of ice!!!!
Here’s a crazy idea. Are there any other kinds? We all have a function in life. Let’s support that function and be proud of who we are. Whether it’s LC,mechanic, P04,P05 and we don’t have to agree all the time. But realize the importance of having a voice and stating your position. Thank You
6 months til Christmas Day .Start your shopping early. Don’t forget to donate to those who are less fortunate then you…..like cupw,cpc,
I will not come across as an uneducated bafoon making comments that make me come across as an uneducated bafoon.
CUPW should sue for punitive damages for having our Constitutional rights being violated…under the following point:
The conduct must be exceptionally bad, such as deliberately attempting to undermine the union, or engaging in a pattern of harassment and intimidation of union members.
There was a definite attempt to undermine the union.
Sure why not? CUPW has so many ways to waste time and money. Too bad they couldn’t just compromise, make reasonable demands, and settle a contract for once.
The Union has made unreasonable demands? You don’t support creating social hubs for craft fairs, or charging stations for electric vehicles with diminishing sales? Or is it adding an extra few thousand employees to the payroll in the form of cleaning staff and snow removal contractors and spending several million for a fleet of snowplows?
Those demands seem reasonable and highly profitable to me. lol
Sorry we as members cannot afford any more legal fees racked up by the union until we secure a contract and have at least two full years of continuous employment .
You’ll never see me making a comment. And then have you saying you just made a comment. Homer Flintstone
Wanna waste some more money?
-lets get every carrier a PDT.. . Expensive..Zero cost advantage to the bottom line…constantly malfunctioning…replacement costs ridiculous
-lets get some more big screen TVs for the plant. 3 in our cafeteria. Another 4 on the floor and who knows how many in the offices or still in the box brand new.
-lets replace vehicles that have years of life left. Don’t sell them. Just scrap them.
-lets build mega sortation plants that slow delivery for delivery by 3 or 4 days. Mail has to travel 500 miles now to get to your neighbours house.
-lets hire supervisors to replace no one
..and when we are done all that, let’s give out bonuses for creating record losses
Can’t argue with that
Don’t forget all the well made, paid for birch wood sort cases scrapped for SSD space.
The high turnover rate of temp hiring/training and uniform waste when they quit after two days of work at SSD delivery .
Buying Ford Transits from Turkey without supporting Canadian automakers for Postal Transformation.
Warehousing surplus MLOCR that cost $$$$$$ after plants were de-mechanized .
Implementing an archaic manual roller system for sorting parcels increasing injury rates instead of keeping any mechanized assisted belt equipment or sorting kickers or mono dumpers.
Another way to waste more money might be to drag out a contract settlement for 2 years. By then we should have lost parcel business to the competition AND lettermail to people going paperless billing.
In conclusion, there is no way this company could be doing all these things with the intention of turning a profit. This is a company bent on failure with the end goal of privatization.
Now we have to listen to the minions try and convince us that it’s CUPW s fault.
Yep… voting no.
Yes im still on a hunger strike. No I haven’t stopped drinking and I will continue to put in my two cents plus tax and continue to watch Real Housewives of Canada Post until I can come up a better comment.
Hahaha
OMG! YEA THATS RIGHT IM THE OMG chick who likes to be called chick. NO I’m not insulted,NO I don’t take it as offense and NO I will not be voting YES
voting yes
Same here. Slow and steady instead of kool aid snacking on urinal cakes
Voting no
Hey CUPW, as a letter carrier for 32 years and recipient of many pay increases, you are playing fast with the truth. Fact #1, never, in all that time was a pay increase attached to COLA, it was always based on your hourly rate of pay. Fact #2, when I started in 1991 there was a two tiered pay system, and I was okay with that as a casual, because I had no experience. Fact# 3, I received no benefits and signed a nineteen day contact over and over again. Fact #4, you did not receive any benefits until you obtained permanent status. For me, that was eight months. Fact #5, you did not qualify for superannuation ( a pension ) until you had worked a full year of full time hours. I worked with people who were casuals for 10 to 14 years. All of this was fine with the union because they got their union dues from me immediately, regardless of how many hours I worked. You usually get to hammer home your points before a vote, and that has been taken away from you so you seem to be resorting to scare tactics and false narratives. Let your members read the proposal and make their own informed decision, without the hyper rhetoric.
Well stated..the truth only hurts the cool aid drinkers
Fact #6 vote yes and your job will be destroyed
Perhaps yours, but those who actually work hard will be thrilled to wave bye bye to the CUPW slacking committee.
Not mine, am retired in less than 2 years. Anyone with years to go will be in a world of hurt.
Lol… The union and the union mentality and the laziness of its members is what’s killing Canada post. Yes, management is greedy and done, but so are the neb
I take it you are management ? or a Contractor .
Remember postal workers worked through the pandemic with record parcel volumes . With no Bonus and a pile of mandates and horrible pandemic policy. Far from lazy.
Just so Canadians could ship since they were not allowed to shop .
The job will be destroyed if you vote no.
Very interesting comment. I also started in 1991. As a LC, we were called ‘terms’ and signed 90 day contracts. I didn’t receive any benefits until I became part-time. I became a part-time MSC and did weekend delivery. My schedule was Sun to Wed, 20 hours guaranteed, plus some extra hours. Under the 1991 agreement it took 7 years to reach top wage. It just shows that all these ‘horrible’ changes CUPW is always fighting against have always been around and part of the way Canada Post operates. Instead of fighting for wages and benefits, CUPW wastes all it’s time fighting things that are already here.
The workforce is spoiled. I could go into more detail, but that would take days to explain to some of the morons that belong to the union and corporation
thank you I agree they are fear mongering and why don’t they show us one offer they made to CP?…..
And as a union member you know that unions try to MAKE GAINS with each contract negotiation….
The representatives were elected to speak on our behalf….but that’s not good enough for Canada Post, they have to ask the Government of Canada to interfere and thus circumventing our Constitutional Rights!!!!
The contract was ALREADY voted on by the Negotiating Committee of CUPW, who know that the offer from Canada Post is NOT a good offer for the membership…..
FACT; what you are describing was Letter Carrier Union of Canada negotiated contracts….
So choices are
YES
NO
OTHER
DONT CARE I JUST WANT TO GO TO CUBA
Management prefers Hawaii
Who wouldn’t?
So these comments will continue all summer long. Wooo! Since there’s nothing good on any screens,I will tune in same bat time same bat channels.
The entire offer is available to read or have it read to you. Here is my take on it. Offer favors Cpc and workers you and me get little crumpets. However it’s what we keep that’s important. Not just didly sqat for wage increase. So keep that on mind when YESSSSSSS or….no. There’s no pressure as long as you vote YESSSS! this comment brought to you by the prapaganda committee of the no party.
Reading Canada Post documentation doesn’t mean we understand the implications in the workplace. Especially when it modifies that workplace.
Today’s lost will be tomorrow’s info post, complaint against the Union.
Management knows that workers reading those documents, will not completely understand the future modifications it will bring. The devil is always in the details. That’s why we need the Union input.
The reason management wants to negotiate in this info post, not with the Union, is because they control the narrative. We all know salaries is what everyone looks at and will make their decisions based on that.
Hey sarcastic Sally. Whoever you are and wherever your from,you are absolutely funny as heck. We need that amongst all the hostility and prapaganda. Keep going sister.
What about new login lock us out and updates to change password every 28 days this bs not even CRA dos this the got hack agian because ot TRUCK RIGHT THAT LOOK AFTER OUR OP AND THEY GOT GOT 4 TIMES WITH ALL OUR PERSONAL INFO
This comment gave me a mild aneurism.
You must not have been using spell check!
Evidence that letter carriers only need grade 10 education
Sounds like you had a few!
There are many unions that negotiate contracts with the government except CUPW.
I think the difference is unions like PSAC and CUPE always make reasonable demands. Other, successful, unions also don’t have all the radical social and political side-issues that CUPW always brings into negotiations. Things like ‘justice for janitors’ etc. If our union accepted the need for change, and stuck strictly to wages and benefits, they might be successful, for once.
PSAC and CUPE members that went on strike got their full wages and they pay less than half the dues we do
We negotiate. We keep sending the same offer. Senior check ins, postal banking and safe injection depots
Takes 2 to negotiate. CPC management waits 10 months before giving a low ball offer. Then moves 1% on raises and that’s their final offer. Management continues to make bad decisions that cost the corporation, so workers have to accept a lot lower raise than inflation. Than management goes crying to the government for help.
I have sent many emails to both Cpc and Cupw Presidents. Here’s a shock no reply to any of them. Is it because I asked them both to pay for my trip to Cuba?
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Lol! Keep the humor going!
The problem is CPC management is accustomed to Hawaii.
Both sides YES or NO have made qualifying points.i was in formed it takes 50percent plus 1 vote to win. With such a small margin of victory,can there really be winner YES or NO?
Yes there will be, if we ever get to vote Lol.
Can’t wait to vote no.
So what happens if its a tie ? lol Union Pres cannot break it because union is not chairing the vote.
If i say this useless comment is coming from Cpc ,how many will believe it?If I say coming from Cupw,how many believe that?
Believe whatever you want. Then vote no.
I’m willing to do overtime and have Canada Post pay me. Who’s with me?
Wander if any of my comments will make it to this platform? Pls hit reply and let me know.
It made it .
Yep
It’s obvious that all workers agree with each other on every comment and there is no division or spikefullness . Raise your hand if you think this is sarcasm?
2022 – 2023 agreement, during that period inflation skyrocketed, CUPW pushed voting yes for 2% annually. While actual official inflation data is less than 2%, CUPW pushes a no vote, which is contradicting their own point, since 2% annual salary increase should be a YES.
I am successful in life. A part of that is making good decisions and not listening to commie fascists of the NEB.
Inflation for 2022: 6.8%, 2023: 4.3% according to Stats Can. 2 year extension signed before inflation spiked. I guess you should of lent your crystal ball to CUPW before 2022.
Read where the vote will be done where people will have their own pin number. Hum does this mean when we put in pin number our name will appear and people will know if we voted yes or no? I can imagine the fun if this happens
Nobody but the CIRB will be part of the voting. Unlike when the union does votes and you have to sit next to the guy in the leather vest with the pool cue
WOW, now trying to scare the workers from participating in monthly meetings, so they won’t know what exactly is in that final offer.
That’s why this info post was invented; anonymous managers smoke and mirrors!
Or the members can just look online. The entire offer is available, for those who know how to read. Decide for yourself, you don’t need CUPWs spin on everything.
Like the COLA explication in this info post was wrong until Denis explained it. Now it’s muted. I want to hear more of what he has to say cause it makes sense
Reading the Collective Agreement is one thing, applying it in the workplace another.
Reading your documentation doesn’t mean you understand the implications in the workplace.
Especially when it modifies the workplace. That’s why we need the Union input. That’s the reason management wants to negotiate in this info post not with the Union; you control the ny.
Voting no.
When is the vote taking place? Anyone know?
Vote happening in August this year
That sounds about right Lol.
No. But I’m voting no.
I love working 4 hours with no mail and flyers. Brilliant managing Canada post, you’ve given me the best summer ever by sabotaging your own business.
I can even fathom how many hundreds of millions the management of this company has wasted by not negotiating a deal last year. Absolutely nuts.
You can thank CUPW also.They have GUARANTEED this will be the summers to come…Maybe next summer you can sell their kool aid to make up the other 4 hours!
It will take more than 4 hours a day to sell all the kool aid management has to offer!
Honestly, the best thing that can happen is we just keep going like this for another year. I have my vacation, personal days, and I’m getting on average 6 PCI’s a day
Thanks Canada Post for telling your customers to go elsewhere! You deserve another bonus for job well done. Please make sure to give raises to those at the helm because your know we need to “retain talent”
Oh that’s cute, you think this will not have ramifications for you? Use your imagination today and try to get your head around how bad this is for your future. The sad part is that nobody had to tell anyone to go elsewhere. You did that with the union steamroller of greed. Not about the wages, the absolute lack of forethought with everything else.
Hey boss, you read my post yesterday, that’s the mentality I was talking about!
It’s up to management to change that mentality. So you can say what you want or write whatever you want, only actions will change that kind of thinking.
This guy is happy with doing nothing for full pay. That’s a troubling sign for sure, especially given that there is no urgency to change. If the average worker had an ownership mentality it would be so much better. The memes exist for a reason. Always expecting more while doing less is not a long term solution in any walk of life
Of course they’re happy doing nothing. That’s the management way! You “take ownership”, but we won’t reward you like you own any of it. Management will get bonuses of your back, but nothing for you!
So Boss what are you going to do?
Write another comment?
Maybe you should just do something else!
lol. I do much more with the time saved. This has always been my 2nd job, because we are in contract negotiations almost always…
Bunch a lazy people from the top down…like I Said I hope it keeps going like this, not one of my supervisors move from their chair all day. I never have a CRM so I barely speak to them in a week. Only when we have those waste of time meetings about circle checks…
You think Libeŕal Management has the ability to do any action to resolve anything .Look at our country we are an extension of the incompetence.
We also had a few Conservative government… Just saying!
You sound really angry. If you’re not happy about living in a democratic society, perhaps you should find somewhere else to live where you might enjoy the life you live.
Yes I am very angry . But why should I have to leave when I didn’t create this mess .
You annoying-mouse people boast about democracy in a Liberal dictatorship . What good is a democracy if you don’t have any LIBERTY.
Yes enjoy it while we can while the negotiators and their Liberal mediators go in circles. Typical of this Liberal Government and its lack of ability to resolve anything for the sake of the country let alone the Canadian people. There will be so many Liberal tears when reality hits and axes are falling when the people get cut permanently .
Very strange comment. Do you think we as CUPW members or Canada Post itself would be better offmwith a Conservative government? Because that’s the alternative. The NDP will never be the government. The Liberals are not perfect but at least they try to strike a balance between the needs of labour, business, and society as a whole.
Not strange at all unless your Liberal . Liberals have no balance currently just incompetence and stagnation .At this point the NDP don’t even have party status plus propped up Liberals for last two terms. At this point I would take a balanced minority Government EXCLUDING the Liberals who have accomplished nothing the past nine years . Also a new Government could appoint a new CEO and give the corporation some new direction solving half the problem .
In addition I care about the sake of the country .Not selfish socialist ideology of CUPW or selfish ,wasteful bureaucracy of CPC Execs. Just because I work for CPC or a member of CUPW does not mean I put it my only priority when choosing a Government .If our Government is useless regardless of any party leading what job security do I have working for this Crown Corporation .
Get over the liberals will ya? The country voted. Move on
What time have you been finishing at , me I’m done at 12 noon , just loving it , I’m voting yes , want my pension and I’m gone in 9 months with 35 plus years of this place , CPC has never gave us a contract , we better take what we can get or we might get LESS , it’s happened before. Good Luck to you all
8am. I work shift 1. Voting no. We got a better contract than “final offer” in 2018. And with the same government in place back then.
Apparently CUPW doesn’t think the membership can read, article 35.09(b).
COLA are designed to help maintain the purchasing power of employees’ wages by adjusting for inflation.
That adjustment is added to the hourly rate, when negotiating a new Collective Agreement; it maintains the purchasing power adjusted for inflation.
It is not added to the hourly rate during the life of the Collective Agreement.
That is why you subtract the COLA from the 6% offer.
Another reason why CP wants to negotiate directly with employees.
That’s correct. Vote no for a better contract!
Cost of Living Allowance 35.09. 39.09(b) Any allowance paid under paragraph 35.09(a) SHALL NOT be incorporated into the basic wage rates.
When they negotiate a new contract they add the COLA to the hourly rate.
When the Collective Agreement is in force, we get a lump sum.
All these proposed changes will cost a fortune, with no return. Just job losses for the workers, and the supposed savings will get sponged up by the elite
We are on our 3rd postal change…haven’t even implemented one correctly because of no consultation with workers. Get ready for another failure and half executed plan abandoned after increased injury and even weaker employee retention.
Does anyone up there have an actual plan?
The plan is to fail miserably and let it burn . With no hope of recovery .Keep voting Liberal if you think this is good .
CPC executives plan to milk the corporation as long as they can at anyone else’s expense. Then move on after it’s bankrupt.
How is it that we only lost $41 mil last quarter with no business? But all the previous quarters we lost +$300 mil?
Oh yeah they were told to stop spending. Now if they stopped giving their “are risk” pay and bonuses we would have still made money – with no business mind you.
Lots of money to be made…this is just union busting at the highest level.
Well, the resumption of mail held from December, the beginning of the year has lots of lettermail campaigns at the higher postage rate. Government cheques, charitable donations and pricing campaigns on parcel deliveries. The customers also had a guaranteed 6 month delay in strike action. You see that is the problem. The threat of strikes is what kills the business.
The threat of strikes is for a short period. The lack of negotiations by management also weighs in the balance.
But group 2 mentality is with Canada Post since the 1980.. That’s what destroyed our reputation….
How do you know management gets bonuses if we don’t get hurt(employees)?
Would like to know this is a fact.
Is that before or after we paid the tribute Dividend to the Government .
Group 2 and management are both responsible for the lost of parcels.
Group 2 by knocking on bricks, carting personal contact, stuffing a parcel in a CMB, not respecting “do not safe drop” directives, cutting corners and rushing to finish early.
Management by turning a blind eye, accepting and encouraging the work ethic of group 2 and thinking that by being the cheapest carrier, everyone would stick with us.
Now we face the reality…Parcel delivery was the only area of possible revenue growth…. management and delivery workers did not care.
Go read Kaw’s comments on June 23 at 4:57 pm… that kind of thinking is what’s destroying Canada Post.
This contract, nor the duration of this contract, will change group 2 mentality… It will only concentrate the problems in a smaller workforce!
If Canada Post managers were serious about our future, they would spend more time changing that mentality…
Enough already OMG go enjoy life, rather than copying and pasting all your previous rhetoric
It’s the only way to get the message across is by repeating it, again and again…
See you tomorrow!
You should repost the frog one loved that one
I haven’t read it. Please repost!
Please don’t. We are all sick and tired
Love u BRO
Yes I thought I’d seen your post before Lol.
Great post! The truth is hard to swallow for MSC
Come on over to the letter carrier side!!
Notice that no one is allowed to comment on the CPAA posts or APOC posts?
Only about CUPW posts.
It’s because CP wants to divide and conquer the union members….
And judging by a lot of comments on here, it’s working.
Send them a strong no message in the vote!
It’s because CUPW is negotiating with an empty chair.
CPC lets big daddy Federal Government do their bidding.
There’s no motivation for CPC to negotiate.
I bet that if there was a strike and as a result of that strike, that upper management doesn’t get paid because no money is coming in, you can bet that suddenly, they’d be eager to get a contract signed.
55,000*95 = $ 5,225,000 per month. This amount to devide by $5000. 1025 worker can hire per month for $5000 salary.
What?
???
Management would never take such a low pay!
Finally the paint dried. I finished watching the grass grow so I cut it. Now im gonna get a life. Thank You. Good health,good times,live the life you please. CHEERS.
Let’s stop picking on Cupw President you know who. She’s doing everything she can to keep workers and union in solidarity. We are together as one. Don’t let Cpc destroy that.
We never were one and we’ll never be one.This union is done
she does nothing and is useless af
I can’t tell if you’re joking or just delusional .
No, she caused problems by refusing arbitration back in November, 2024 and plus she announced the OT ban which is costing members extra pay.
Don’t forget pushing a yes vote on lousy extension during covid when we had leverage
But Canada Post did the hiring of CUPW members how IRONIC . So really Canada Post is to blame for the work environment .
Just vote no. All the CPC shilling will mean nothing.
I blocked the union from sending me any more propaganda…
So you only want management propaganda?
Did you do it by distracting them with doughnuts and slurpees.
That’s how soups do it!
Reinstate the overtime…we are a service your hurting our reputation and it’s insulting to the public who pay our wages…Secondly I took a job with Canada post to make money..and so that I could pay way more then the union is worth in dues. …
You can say farewell to overtime with what CPC has planned
Exactly!!!
Is it not good management for a company to be able to get the job done without overtime?we complain about waste is this not reducing waste??
Tell that to the soups! Constantly on OT, with 3 or 4 in each section, standing together chatting and joking around. Then add the manager and they’ll all go patrol the floor together.
Exactly. Let’s get some now before it’s history
How do you justify overtime when there is not enough mail and we are already operating in the negative and everyone is still on the payroll .
Here in Toronto the door is open for any Cupw local president ,executives or NEB to come in and talk to us workers. Still waiting…..waiting……waiting.Oh Cpc executives are here constantly.hum?How is it in your cities?
whats an executives. usually only see them when all hell breaks loose or management wants to get new policies made with the help of getting these executives on board before they usually ask the paying member there problems.
No CPC executives in the prairies, we don’t count over here
I haven’t even met the CPC director, nevermind the executives, out here in Vancouver. The local CUPW executives been out a few times this month.
No matter if you vote yes or no this offer will not change your life. You still have to work,pay mortgage buy food,gas for car etc. You have the opportunity to pay more income tax and probably more union dues. So from reading this you probably realize the only winners are Cpc and Cupw.
Union is only interested in your dues…as soon as this document is signed dues will go up again for nothing 25 years service 20,000 in dues …14 per hour pay strike pay this union is embarrassing at best
due are for protection of the workers that dont want to work. similar to cupw employee collect and no work.
And use for vacation to Cuba, Niagara Falls, and Ottawa.
Only the laziest postal workers run and win for CUPW executives status.
Look who our union presidents.
Hey you’re back! Haven’t had one of your posts on here for a while
They got voted in by you. Suck it up buttercup.
Their vacays pale in comparison to Hawaii, which management gets from the corporation.
Many managers collect and no show! Trust them, they’re “working” from home!
When cupw was in negotiations we never were kept up todate now that a vote is on the horizon…they have decided to badger you with more propaganda …regardless of what your spewing now now my vote will a big yes..
What cupw propaganda? Haven’t seen any in our city. Just CPC propaganda
Exactly! CPC sending their garbage to us, displaying their propaganda constantly on the monitors, even hear it from the soups.
Agree!!!
So How Many Urban Contracts Were Directly Negotiated?
1968 (first legal contract)
1991
2003
2007
That’s approximately 4 contracts in CUPW’s history for urban postal workers that were successfully reached through direct negotiation without requiring arbitration, mediation, or government intervention.
Holy crap it is true. What a horrible horrible track record. How is CUPW still representing us and why??????????
Four contracts negotiated in total since 1965. But only two settled without a strike or lock-out first. Either way, undoubtedly the worst record of any union in Canada. Unions are definitely good and useful in principle. There are many competent, professional unions in Canada who focus on wages and benefits for their members. Unfortunately, CUPW is not one of those unions. Their record is one of repeated and continuous failure. They’ve just failed again in negotiations. Thankfully we’re all being given a chance to vote on this offer.
It takes 2 to negotiate, and we are about to see what CPC has been planning for years for us with a yes vote
voting yes
You cannot negotiate when CPC doesn’t want to negotiate. They waited 10 month into negotiations before giving their first low ball offer!
It’s because CUPW is negotiating with an empty chair.
CPC lets big daddy Federal Government do their bidding.
There’s no motivation for CPC to negotiate.
I bet that if there was a strike and as a result of that strike, that upper management doesn’t get paid because no money is coming in, you can bet that suddenly, they’d be eager to get a contract signed.
That’s funny because CPAA was able to find someone to negotiate with and get a signed agreement….
CUPW doesn’t get negotiated settlements because Canada Post does not negotiate in good faith. They give out a crappy offer at the 11th hour and sit on their hands until the government legislates CUPW back to work. Canada Post has the profit expectations of a private corporation but with the delivery mandates of a public service – it’s completely ridiculous. Rinse and repeat. This corporation is circling the drain.
Further to my comment. I totally get the idea of stream lining the business ( mean and lean) but the workers should not bear the brunt of the solution. More emphasis on affordable, fast, secure, country wide delivery should be the focus , especially e commerce!
Your comment makes a lot of sense. If Canada Post could be more efficient, we could start getting back some lost business. Even new business. It would be good for all of us. Too bad CUPW fights against that at all cost.
But how , if CULTW instead of fast, they want everyone to go slow … if somethings to heavy. Just leave it behind or card it??
Can’t card stuff without attempting it, that’ll get you 5 days off
The funny thing is union is saying they are fighting for us as soon as we get salary increase they increase the union due. When I join with CPC the union told us 3 hours pay but they are cutting 105.00 now my hourly is $25 and change how is that make sense. And since we start strike we lost hours.
When I started in 2011 my wage was $23.50. See any problem here?
2006 here $20.73
I see the problem
If you are full time it’s $8 more, what’s the problem
The problem is the starting wage was higher 14 years ago genius.
The logistics behind dynamic routing are not going to save any money. In fact it will cause more overtime. One main reason for overtime is unfamiliarity with the walk. The system has been based on seniority. This will not help with morale. Familiarity with the public is what expedites the mail. Letter carriers know the people they delivered to and most of all have gained their trust. We know who has moved , passed on, broken up, etc. Dynamic routing is not steam lining, instead it is just creating unnecessary work for letter carriers and Supervisors.
You won’t know the people they will be CMB
And by not knowing your customers bye bye tips at Christmas also. Oh boy I can’t wait to vote on this crap from top to bottom offer where will will lose income at every turn
Who gives you tips?
My customers I deliver door to door with great service and a smile. Obviously your lack of service doesn’t warrant tips at Christmas
I thought we were mail deliverers not waiters,waitresses,cooks etc etc . Customers paid for delivery part of the job no need for them to tip. You also get paid well .
Sure you will they will be at the CMB at the end of the month for their cheque .
If the Union wants equality then why do the executives make more than the members. Why do clerks the put flyers in boxes not get extra pay. Same with the RSMC’s they get an average. Why do Leadhands in Tech Sevices get $5.00 more an hour than a Retail Leadhand. The “Title” is the same. $0.60 extra is a slap in the face to Retail Leadhands. I hope everyone votes yes for this contract and then we vote to get a new bunch of people in the big seats of the Union. Equality for with the Union is a joke.
don’t forget two tier wages!
How can a professional who invest’s in himself going to college for 3 years. Working under someone for poor wage. Then going thru all the hopes and writing and paying from his own pocket for a CFQ exam to get recognition as a professional paid the same as a person with just a drivers license possibly no high school qualification. We pay for our license renewals every year from our pockets. Its not 2 tier pay its about what the industry standards are for a license professional. We are still under paid at cpc compared to city jobs.
Go elsewhere it’s simple! You’re underpaid but also extremely underworked. Unlike me who they could train a monkey on half a day to do my job my skill set isn’t coveted. Yours is. Don’t waste your skill set and life by dumbing it down at CPC.
You can go else where as well. You guys are over paid and under worked. Where else can you get guaranteed 8 hours pay for working for 4 hours. Then going out again with Double time to make more then 10 hours a day. LC’S can only survive and take advantage of this system. Not in real world.
Not sure what decade you are referring to but 4 hour days hasn’t been a thing in a long time. Overtime will be gone too if CPC gets their way .
So what? You’re just pissed because you could never do that.
Try cutting back on umpteen breaks per shift and hiding while pretending to work. I don’t complain about those that make 20 million a year because I can’t play baseball but I also don’t hold it against those who can and do.
Actually once they work the bugs out of autonomous vehicles things will be a lot easier .Plus each vehicle will have it’s own robot .They will load level much easier in a few more contracts.
And why should I as a Leadhand in Retail make less than you. I basically run the building, maintain the building, do inventory of stock, all the ordering, all the financials, bank deposits, scheduling, equal ops list (union ordered me to do it), handle customer complaints, ect, ect, ect. You get your top wage for your schooling then an extra amount when you get the “title” of leadhand. So why should I not get more???????
Go to school then. You can transfer over and get more too.
It’s better than working as a bank teller based on your qualifications .
So you are doing management job under cupw flag. Why not apply for management position so you complain less. But wait a high school graduate cant get that. Sorry tough luck buddy.
If i get my flyer pay taken away…i will make a flyer that will instruct my costomers how to get cutoff…and i will be delivering that flyer weekly until the flyer customers put a sign up….!
A restructure has to happen in a stn to incorporate the time values into the walks before they take away the flyer pay….its technically a trade…buy bad trade in my opinion!
The Cpc regime claims they will only implement changes at 10 stations at first. First off those unfortunate enough to be working at those 10 stations will get the shaft right away ( 10 hour days rolled into 8 with OT a thing of the past). The regime will (or likely already has) dream up a way to implement said assault on employees everywhere faster and sooner under the premise of best thing since sliced bread,. Because they know best ( hence 3 billion vanished in 7 years) the entire workforce will then get the shaft coupled with step 2) the elimination of positions to boot Those still left standing will have the privilege of doing the work of 2-3 people rolled into one The icing on this shaft cake cooked up and served up by the cpc regime!?! all for less money as the new cpc operating narrative is to destroy the unions, good jobs and to rewind employee relations from 2025 to 1925.. I can hear all the “yes” whiners crying now ” what have we done”. Somewhat embellished but not as far fetched as some will undoubtedly think
“We will continue to provide clear and factual information on the offers to help you understand their contents, and how it would impact you if ratified through a
vote”
Cute that you paint yourself as the virtuous Corporation who has our best interests at heart. You say you preferred a negotiated agreement but refused to negotiate. You could care less about your employees, implying that forcing them to vote on a contract their bargaining agent has said is not acceptable is the right thing to do.
The executive management has ruined this company, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
You sound lile a member of the CUPW NEB. First of all, no one is being ‘forced’ to vote. If you don’t want to vote, you don’t have to. Second I’m pretty sure Canada Post was just as willing to bargain as CUPW. The reason the talks failed was because, as usual, CUPWs demands were ridiculous. The union refuses to accept that the company needs to change and become more efficient in the way we deliver. If CUPW had accepted this, an agreement could have been reached, with good raises and improved benefits. Instead, CUPW fights all change. That’s also why the government and perhaps eventually an arbitrator will always take Canada Post’s side. The union is just too unreasonable and ridiculous. Luckily most members already know this. We’re happy to get a chance to vote in this offer. The sooner, the better.
Nobody asked for your forced opinion about a forced vote
Great come-back Lol.
Absolutely, now can we get on with the vote already?!!
Yeah, I can’t wait to vote no.
Union never bothered to negotiate anything. They dug in on everything and came up with farcical ideas to grow the business like craft fairs, wifi and charging stations.
Union moved from 22% to 19% raises over 4 years. Management, 12% to 13%. Management is the one digging in and demanding cuts to benefits.
So let’s split the difference and take 16 % like what CUPE Federal workers bargained for .
Casuals don’t get COLA oh ya we don’t count to CUPW they just want our union dues!!!! Which are the same amount as full timers
We all went through it at the beginning. Suck it up
I vote to ditch CUPW.
They are just as bad as CPC management if not worse since they are just as lazy.
When 6% is not 6%: when you get a 6% raise and cupw desides to take 2% increasing your monthly dues… for nothing!
If anything, CUPW should be reducing monthly dues. They never settle contracts and only help everyone lose money through useless strikes. They protect terrible workers, but do nothing for good workers. $67 million in dues per year for nothing.
You wouldn’t get the 6% if it wasn’t for CUPW. It would be 6% decrease if left up to CPC management.
Exactly! Vote no.
The latest cupw bs about the first year raise not being 6% is ridiculous .The union president must be using “babe” math for her calculations.The cola was a temporary payment, not a permanent raise.Our rate of pay didn’t change from $30.36.Add 6% to the rate of pay and you get $32.18 which is what the union agrees the new rate is.
I don’t know how you can tolerate the fact that the union is either inept or completely corrupt. They can’t just be real about anything. It’s gross.
Because CPC management is even worse.
it is absolutely disgusting. we pay them to work FOR US.
So true. The part CUPW never mentions is it was possible for us all to get a better raise. If CUPW had simply accepted that changes were necessary for Canada Post, instead of fighting every change tooth and nail. Then they could have concentrated stricrly on wages and benefits for all members. If CUPW had beem reasonable, they could even have signed an agreement before our dumb six-week strike. Imagine how much better off all of us would have been. But hey, CUPW is never smart or reasonable.
Wait till your depot goes to ssd. You won’t care about a raise, you’ll be wishing you would have voted no
Voting no will NOT stop ssd, dynamic routing or load leveling. Cupw was unable to stop the 2 bundle system, or any sort of postal transformation. All a no vote will do is prolong this insanity.
It beats folding up like cheap suit and just taking it as you would
The way things are going you will be lucky if there will be any depots left .
You can’t negotiate with management when they’re completely unreasonable. Voting no on their final offer.
The Cost of Living Adjustment (COLA) payments at Canada Post are not temporary. They are part of the collective agreements and are designed to help maintain the purchasing power of employees’ wages by adjusting for inflation.
While the specific amount of the COLA may vary from year to year, the adjustment, once granted, is incorporated into the base wage or paid out as a permanent lump sum and not removed in subsequent years.
I have no idea how CUPW did their calculation? COLA is paid as a lump sum, not added to the the hourly wage, as per article 39.05…
39.05 (b) – Any allowance paid under paragraph 35.09(a) shall not be incorporated into the basic wage rates.
CUPW is up to it’s “smoke and mirrors” routine again, hoping that the members aren’t smart enough to figure out basic math. Thanks for exposing them.
When they negotiate a new contract they add the COLA to the hourly rate.
When the Collective Agreement is in force, we get a lump sum.
What will happen first. We get the vote on the offer or the Toronto Maple Leafs win the Stanley Cup? Hum or I win the lottery.
Tied in first place!
You win the lottery or the Leafs win the cup
Last but not least we get the vote and YES wins!
Can the workers get a billion dollar loan and then spend it foolishly on trips to Cuba,Niagara and giving out bonuses?
No.
That is reserved for CULTW executives and presidents.
Vote is great, if CUPW members feel this is not a good deal then their voting will reflect that, HOWEVER – if CUPW members vote that it is a good deal, then the bullying online is not working.
bullying does not work on me
Will letter carriers still have 3 days to deliver flyers and be paid for flyers????
No one seems to have any answers
As I understand it, that still stands for now however it would seem that with a yes vote flyers pay will also be taken away come 2030 if not likely even sooner
I thought it sounded like flyer pay will only remain in depots that bring in dynamic routing. Otherwise, flyer pay will be exchanged for time value… so essentially nothing.
That’s correct
So every LC stands to lose anywhere between 2000 to 8000 dollars a year. thanks soo much Canada Po t. That’s why every LC will vote NO!
My interpretation is that the change to time value only happens on the depots/routes that move to dynamic routing, no change to the rest. Otherwise every single route would then become “over assessed” for time values which makes utterly no sense on CPC’s end. My understanding is that all other routes remain the same for flyer pay for now. Keeping it as is…it’s a fight we won’t win because CUPW has been wanting the change over to time values for years, yet another way they are out of touch
“Makes utterly no sense on CPCs end”….
but somehow cupw is out of touch by wanting the change over for time values? Time values at 100% would mean shorter routes and pensionable income instead of non pensionable flyer bonus. Bring back the 3000 routes they cut from canada recently.
Group 2 and management are both responsible for the lost of parcels.
Group 2 by knocking on bricks, carting personal contact, stuffing a parcel, not respecting “do not safe drop” directives and of course rushing to finish early.
Management by turning a blind eye, accepting the work ethic of group 2 and thinking that by being the cheapest carrier, everyone would stick with us.
Now we face the reality…Parcel delivery was the only area of possible revenue growth, and nobody cared.
This final offer won’t change anything if we don’t change the root problem!
We are not the cheapest carrier by a long shot. We get beaten by everyone else unless you are shipping to areas where nobody makes money.
I wrote “ THINKING that by being the cheapest carrier,” !
And there’s lies the problem.
Keep posting the same thing every day! Awesome job!
Like I said before, come on over to the LC side Denis!
I think it gives us ALL a voice and that can only be a good thing. If you back the union leaders then vote no blindly. If you want to think about how to move the company forward then think about your vote prior. We are the only company with no delivery vehicles on the road evenings and weekends. We can’t expect the company to pay double time on weekends for deliveries. Our customers would never be in a position to pay that much for the service. Moreover the contract should be for a longer period of time because this renegotiation every few years is only hurting us in the long run. Put a respectable contract in place to rebuild the company then, once the finances return, we can ask for a better share. That’s my two cents. It’s what I hear from my customers.
Very intelligent comment. I also love the idea of the contract being for a longer time. It seems ad though we’re always in a period of instability. Negotiations are so slow and unproductive, the last contract expired in 2023. The two side have met more than 200 times and accomplished almost nothing. As soon as a new contract is in place, it’s time to begin talks again. A five-year dwal would bring stability and relieve stress for everyone. Let’s hope the majority agree, think for themselves, and vote ‘yes’.
I like your thoughts. I agree a longer contract period would be better. I wish we could get on with this vote. This has gone on far too long. Let’s pray the yes’ have it, or we’ll all be out of a job soon enough.
This message is brought to you by CPC lol
I will not allow myself to be intimidated pushed around or threatened buy anybody anywhere at anytime. My wife already does those things to me. Lol
You can all talk tough and bully and backstab all you want,obviously there’s nothing good to watch on YouTube if your doing all that. I’ve looking for a job all year in all different industries emailing hundreds of resumes and not one reply. I realize how difficult the job market is. I consider myself very lucky to be working full-time at Canada Post. Let’s all be smart and get a deal by vote ,arbitration or negotiation. Because you like me will have a hard time finding work that pays relatively well with good benefits.
I don’t understand why thre are so many people who want to destroy the company we all work for. Isn’t it logical to think that if Canada Post can get back on track to being financially heealthy, it wouuld benefit all of us? For the most part, this has been a good company to work for. I’ve been treated fairly and.am quite well paid. I guess some people are just angry and negative most of the time.
Why must all this happen at employee expense? When cpc pays back executive bonuses and eliminates the existing board then maybe yes. Until then it’s NO
Give it 30 years, if your body doesn’t break down by then. You will change your tune
I’m already celebrating victory. Cupw thank you for everything you got the workers. My heart is with you. Cpc thank you for giving me a good living my pocketbook is with you.
I will not give any false comments. I will not give misinformation. I will avoid lowering myself to the level of fear mongers. I’m not AI
am I asking too much to read a comment that has intelligence and just moronic rheric .
I have a bunch of cupw strike signs that I’m willing to send across the country if anybody needs some. They will be delivered by DHL and Canada Post…eventually. lol
@Sarcasm Sally that is hysterical!
I’m told that lies and b s are part of everyday life,is that true? And if so by voting YES am really voting NO,hum?
who gave cupw a mandate to be communist and social justice warriors whats it got to do with us or our work????
What does your comment have to do with anything?
It’s got to do with EVERYTHING! CUPW needs to concentrate on its 55,000 members and not just their Groupies and treat their members with respect instead of being Dictators,however we’ll never see that
So what are you saying?
are you slow? it has everything to do with it. we pay union dues to a union who can’t negotiate a contract if there life depeneded on it. instead of working for us the members they fly off to cuba and do all this other social justice mumbo jumbo. tell me how many contracts cupw negotiated in 20 years?
CUPW has negotiated two contracts since 1965. Please tell me if there is a union anywhere in Canada with a worse track record.
how is this possible?!?!?!?!?!?! and members are OK with this?
How does any of this help us here and now?
And blamed everyone else along the way,CPC,the government,the previous govt, the dog down the street, the man in the moon, anyone but themselves
I still don’t get what you’re saying
Not sure what you’re getting at…
While all you members bicker about yes or no you should realize the Liberal Government just made it a forced vote violating your bargaining rights .You can vote either yes or no .
To be realistic if there was any real solidarity you,we should all not even participate . But we know that would never happen .The groupies on either side would vote because they lack any real foresight.
Hope voting Liberal was worth it don’t blame the yes votes because this all could have been avoided.
I guess my view is the opposite of yours. I think this vote is an opportunity and our right. I’m happy to vote on this offer since CUPW was unable to make a negotiated agreement. But no one is being ‘forced’ to do anything. If you don’t want to vote, don’t bother.
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It’s never to late to ELBOW the Liberals . Don’t let them trample on your rights . Make it known to them in person, a letter or a phone call . Hold them accountable.
The last Conservative government brought in a CEO to privatize, when faced with opposition from Parliament she left and privatized the Royal Mail. If it wasn’t for the Liberal Government, we’d be delivering to CMBs with a much smaller workforce.
Hate this decision all you like, but thousands of employees are still employed because of the current government; a Conservative Government would not be good for this company.
Exactly right. The cons would be the worst possible government for all CUPW members. The liberals strike a balance between social and economic needs of all Canadians. That’s why they keep getting re-elected. They’ve saved Canada Post and it’s workers many times. We know that CUPWs dream is an NDP government but that will never, ever happen. It would be so nice if CUPW would come into reality and adjust their demands accordingly.
I never mentioned past Conservative CEO failures .I am talking about the current and most recent governments which were and are Liberal . Who are CURRENTLY responsible for the recent failure of CPC and our current negotiations .
As for the NDP they lost their party status probably because they supported the Liberal failed policy for the last two terms .They don’t have any influence currently and cannot help CUPW currently.
Hmmm. A forced vote you say? So? I like that somebody somewhere has given me a choice to vote rather than constantly being denied that right by cupw. And no… i have no issues with the liberals. It was great to see the ndp fade from existence.
The majority of CUPW people elect representatives to act and negotiate on their behalf.
When the Negotiating team gets any acceptable offers, they then declare a tentative agreement and advise the membership to accept the offer
If they deem that the offer is not a good offer for the membership, then there is no vote because a vote would be a waste of time, knowing that the majority will not accept it.
The Government of Canada bypassed the union’s rights by forcing a vote…
That’s not true. You mean the majority of those who actually are active in the union and attend CUPW meetings. 95% of us stay as gar away from CUPW as possible. We all pay dues though. That’s the great thing about this vote. Our rights are being upheld, not bypassed. Every member has a chance to vote. No one is being ‘forced’. Because CUPW isn’t involved, the vote will be fair. Good news for all the real workers, for once.
If you wanted to make your voice heard, then why not go to meetings?
Hey man/ woman/ whatever gender floats your boat!
I want to vote, hence my bargaining rights have not been violated.
It’s CUPW that preventing me from getting my voice heard. CULTW has brain washed members and silenced them one who want to be heard far too long.
I want to vote for my future.
Let me vote.
I will vote no to this crappy contract and cpc’s greasy behaviour.
Cupw is even greasier
A YES vote is a vote against the corrupt slurpee drinkers. It is time to tell them they are no good with a loud and clear YES vote.
Do you soups ever spend time with family or just continously bending over to cpc commands for bogus false posts?
most of us are cupw members. you say we are mgt because you can’t believe cupw members are against communist social justice warrior nuts
You bet I dont believe you soup. . None of your spewed diatribe has anything to do with what we are all collectively facing in this contract and forced vote never ending saga. Keep checking admail chits and parking brakes applied, you know, the real important money making stuff
Funny how you mention ‘important money making stuff.’ Our Union forced a strike over charging stations, social hubs, senior check-ins and contracting in cleaning staff and snow removal contractors. I lost thousands of dollars for a hidden agenda of demands that add zero value to a delivery company. Anyone who sees this for what it is must be a ‘soup.’
We’ll only be able to tell how many of these posts are ‘false’ after the vote Lol. In the meantime, keep drinking the kool-aid.
Your here.
Not a soup. Just a guy sick and tired of the games CUPW is playing with our jobs.
Go enjoy your slurpee on the street corner when CPC lays you off.
That’s exactly why CUPW is terrified. They’re using non-stop scare tactics and bullying to win this vote. They’ll still lose though. CUPW always loses.
This vote is supposed to be on a crap offer from cpc circumventing our union representation in a never ending and subsequent governmental assault on our being able to collective bargain directly with the employer. NOT a referendum on cupw representing us. Stop confusing or tying the two together. Vote on the contract however you choose first and then do whatever you feel you need to do to go after or remove the union although I doubt you and all the big talkers out here backed by management pot stirring posts will have the guts to do anything
Haha you forgot sweat pant wearing slurpee drinkers
Or Tim Hortons! Don’t forget the stained t-shirts! These are the Groupies.”The Man Is Out to get us” Now we do have some good shop stewards but those are the ones who get booted out…Any one rational
Yes, I want to support my union.
No, I don’t want to add to my already 8 hour day.
Canada post management has sunk to a new low.
And you dont think CUPW hasn’t sunk to a new low? Oh wait they couldn’t go any lower than they have been for the past 10-15 years
Syndicate members hoping to get a better deal in arbitrage are delusional, the company is OK and ready for an arbitrage, not even afraid of the strike as a measure of influence. The outcome will be according to the changed circumstances and conditions, actually the whole picture changed, and Kaplan’s “insolvency” report will have an obvious and prevailing role in the arbitrage decision. The responsibility of solving company’s problems will be transfered to government, and on the other hand CUPW will always blame government for mediocre results.
Speaking of which, you already forgot how many were desperate and wishing government to interfere and stop the strike since it was a no way ticket. Imagine it didn’t,, and strike continued for further months,,,
who could pay your salaries and compensate the missed work?? CUPW??? You would sign for less in the long run, but stay brave and proud in you solidarity.
Times have changed and the reality asks for proper adjustments. CUPW should negotiate back in time when inflation and pandemic volumes skyrocketed, now it’s a different story.
Exactly right. I lost more than $5000 due to part-one of our useless strike. I’m not prepared to lose more. Anyone who thinks an arbitrator will magically grant CUPW a dream settlement is dreaming. There are many ways a ‘no’ vote could backfire, including an immediate lock-out.
Arbitrage??? Google that word alone. Did you use chat bot to come up with this comment and decided it musta made sense?
Reality does ask for proper adjustments. All the fat at the top should be getting ready for it. It has already begun
Wow, can you be any more ignorant. the OP is Francophone. Maybe show a bit more respect and tone down your hate.
Gonna be a no from me dawg.
No. Telling our customers for 2 years and up to a year leading up to every negotiations to go to our competitors is a horrible strategy for running a company, and negotiating a contract. Leveraging the EHCP drug benefit plan we pay in advance monthly for in negotiations discriminates against those with a disability by denying them access to life saving medication. The union can’t foot the bill for our benefits for months when the corporation can drag out negotiations for 2 years and get a billion dollar loan from the government to meet their short falls. Shame CPC. No.
Check out the job market Nigel. Be lucky you have this for now. Save your indignation for someone else.
Nobody has to tell any customers to go somewhere else, that is why we are losing a billion dollars a year, they already know. So many options from UPS and Canpar and FedEx that we are just not reliable enough with the labour force. You think you are heros but you were not the only ones working during Covid. If you think corporate actually told people not to use Canada Post because of this contract, you should immediately quit the job and go back to the puzzle factory.
Im curious if you even read the ICC report that puts the blame for the failure to get a negotiated settlement purely on the shoulders of CUPW due to their desire to remain status quo despite there being a clear need for change?
No.
Breaking news:CUPW just trademarked a new name.They will now be known as CUPPW.Canadian Union of Privatized Postal Workers.They are demanding all current CUPW members vote no on the offer to make the transition faster.
The public doesn’t want it privatized
MISINFORMATION. Be an adult and stop spreading lies. That’s not at all why a no vote is supported by CUPW.
Sarcasm much?
I’ve had enough of managers running this company into the ground so they can cut my wages. Vote no.
Will you still think, ‘We sure showed them’ after they lock us all out? Don’t worry though, the majority of workers are smart enough to vote ‘yes’.
It’s not your local management that’s running things into the ground. What CPC has proposed should have happened 10-15 years ago which they knew but remember that CPC pretty much does what ever the government of the day wants them to. Please educate yourself.
Why don’t you become a manager and save Canada Post?
Sure they don’t look around shoppers is retail
This P04 will be voting NO! It’s a stingy offer full of rollbacks and trojan horses. It is setting up more rollbacks in the next round of negotiations.
I hope you are paying the supervisors you have posting here well. But knowing the corporation, probably not! Haha
Voting No could very well mean that there are no next rounds of negotiations. You are lucky to have the opportunity you have now.
Opportunity? The membership votes for representatives on their behalf.
CPC circumvented that, with the Minister of Jobs and Families help.
Our opportunity was stolen … And now we’re forced to vote on a crappy offer
This member didn’t vote the corrupt person running my local, so I think it’s fair if we all get our say on this contract.
Stingy offer? People have high school education-coming in you get 3 weeks paid vacation, good benefits, a good wage where else can you go and get that?Stop being so greedy
How do you know if they haven’t gone to college??? Who fought for minimum wage? Weekends Vacations? Maternity Leave? Pensions? Etc etc???
UNIONS!!!!!!!!
THE COST OF LIVING HAS OUTPACED OUR WAGES!!
BE THANKFUL FOR UNIONS!!?!
You keep belittling people with 12 years of education as if they are morons. What magic knowledge did you learn in your 2 years of college or 4 years at university? I am assuming you have this but supervision jobs only need grade 12. Superintendents need grade 12 plus 2 years as a supervisor. This ridiculous class shaming makes you look the fool. Keeping up with inflation is hardly greedy. Go back to school for another 12 years. You missed the point.
Tell me aren’t actually an employee without telling me you aren’t an employee. Not even close. Coming in you get temporary employment with zero guaranteed hours at just above minimum wage in most provinces, with no benefits. Talk about misinformation….
I feel we have been informed. Thank you for the offer CPC. No one else is going to offer me this wage and benefits. Where do you think workers will do better with what other jobs ? Go work for for 20 an hour with no benefits, pension, paid personal days and holidays ?
I work for CPC I will work my 8 hours thank you
Voting YES
“No one else is going to offer me this wage and benefits.”
PO4 mentality 100%! (it’s true btw, no one will you’re right)
Totally agree. Not a perfect offer but it’s a bird in hand.
Its much more than far from perfect.. it’s total and complete garbage
Lot will be a Yes vote the only question is by how big of a margin.
I agree. This offer isn’t perfect, but arbitration could very well have a worse result, not to mention first having a lock-out. I’m voting ‘yes’.
I am voting yes as well- BUT the worst thing that could happen at arbitration is the offer that is on the table from Canada Post, because the rules of arbitration require the employers last offer AND the union’s last response- BUT the big problem is: when would arbitration happen AND would Canada Post lock cupw out first or would CUPW go back to a full strike- because of these uncertainties is why I am voting YES
Voting yes will put an end to any gains we might have made now and in the future. CPC will simply not negotiate and let the government take away all our benefits one at a time. I am assuming only management posts are encouraging yes votes. It makes zero sense.
No. No way. Nope.
I don’t know why cupw still has the ot ban in place steps like that is to put pressure on corporation during negotiations well there is no negotiations just another move by cupw to hurt their own members like they always do by denying them a choice of picking up some extra money when we know we could all use it
With the proposed contract you can kiss OT goodbye
CUPW doesn’t care about its members, it only cares about winning and us paying union dues to fund their lavish trips and accommodations.
Because they don’t actually care about the 55,000 workers who pay dues to them. They also didn’t care that every full-time worker lost more than $5000 in part-one of our useless strike. If they had accepted that Canada Post needs to change, they could have instead fought for a better wage increase for everyone. But no matter what CUPW says or does, finally we all have a chance to vote now. It’s about time.
Wait til you see how much money you’ll lose when the union gets busted and we all have to work for $18/hr. You’ll wish it was ONLY $5000!
Sure, sure. If only we had a professional, competent union to represent us, instead of CUPW.
Voting on something you don’t have a clue is stupidity at its worst.
Full CPC offer is available. Take a few hours and give it a read. Not saying it’s good or bad, but at least you’ll be informed and make your decision based on what you have read, not the scare tactics that are out there being put out by CPC and CUPW.
You are correct and we have no idea what CUPW is asking for. We have seen CPC’s offer. Secrets by the union!!!!
Why don’t you have a clue about it? Are you clueless? The full offer is there for you to read.
Yes yes yes and only yes to the final offer to stop the uncertainty!
NO, NO, NO
YES YES Y-E-S!!
Welcome to the 21st century. Voting online or by phone like other Unions have for almost 20 yrs. I am not gonna miss being locked in a room and spewed propaganda and not being aloud to just vote.
This ! No more manipulation
Not having to listen to CUPW will be a pleasure. Not having them in charge of the vote ensures an accurate result. Win-win.
Whether yes or no make an informed decision. Read the offers, read the other info provided, check the CPC and CUPW websites. Only you can make the right decision for you and or your family.
CPC LISTEN!
The yes vote will be alot easier to get if you clarify the flyer pay uncertainty situation. Is it just the dynamic routes after 2030 the only ones losing flyer pay? ALL LC’S are VERY unhappy about losing flyer pay and having 100% coverage in one day they are not going to vote yes if this is the case!! Change or address this flyer situation and the vote will go thru!!!!
The NM pay change will be phased in. Basically it will convert to the time variables received when a route is restructured.
It’s no flyer pay and full coverage daily on load levelling routes.
Dynamic routes will only receive flyer pay until 2030
Currently routes are built without admail as part of the equation, hence the pittance payment. Dynamic routes will have flyers calculated into their build which means, yes you’ll be going door to door for longer, you will not be delivering as long of a route due to the structure and knowledge that the route is door to door due to flyers. you will not get the payment rather will get the time value included in your routes.
Group two with your straight all the time have created this mess. Volume has been going down since the 1980 and you just ran faster; early start, no breaks, using your personal vehicle as a relay box, never take your diner break, must finish before noon and eat at home. Got to finish before the 3:00 pm traffic rush hour and get home to cook supper.
Now many of you will continue your straight, under the new regime, you will just hide until the end of your shift! The new regime states; “The Corporation may: reallocate and assign any collection and delivery activities, at straight time, to Group 2 employees who have unused scheduled hours. ”, which means you will be fired for fraud!
And if you return to the station after your straight, management will just assign more work to you, on the next day. If you slow down, finally take your breaks, you will be admitting you were wrong with your past work ethics.
The frog in the water doesn’t realize the water is getting hotter, until it boils over and it’s to late… You know you burned your jobs with your straights, and now payment is due, reduced work force!
Hey there chief! Imagine if management and RMO did their jobs and were actually good at it hahaha point the finger elsewhere smart guy. Finishing early has been and will ALWAYS be our incentive for those capable and competent enough to do so. MY gawd….
Good answer, anonymous frog… How’s the water, not boiling yet!
I’m not mad I’m perplexed by the way you think…. And may I ask did you read the Kaplan report…
The bs report? Get in the water yourself…and stay there
Runners rush to their graves…
I’m dynamic delivery and load levelling worst nightmare; a steady walker.
You won’t find me in the water!
We all did it for years. Started early, no breaks, no lunch, walked as fast as we could. That will just get you more work with route leveling. Let’s see how fast you go if that comes into effect. They did warn us 25 years ago. Even made the company force us back to the office for a half hour lunch for awhile. Now here we are. Denis is completely correct about everything he said. Frog soup
The past is history, the future is ours to decide….
My wish and hope is we all get to our pension without musculoskeletal problems, and enjoy life.
Please everybody take care of yourself…
LC’s Bragging to everyone how they are done early and paid does not help either. The big mouths should have just kept quiet and clocked out discreetly when they were supposed to .
Well said denis. Letter carriers are the masters of their own destruction, never willing to do the work to protect their jobs. Now that its changing, everyone else is to blame but themselves. Call them out on it and they think your mad, or hate them. It a simple case of truth hurts.
A YES vote gets us the best deal around (compared to the alternatives, that’s for sure).
Yes, there are pros & cons to voting YES to the offer yet the pros far outweigh the cons under all posible scenarios.
On the other hand, a NO vote will most definitely lead to mass layoffs (out of necessity) and a further powerless position.
CUPW is out of touch with reality and actively sinking the ship as they cling to the past ‘glory days’ trying to save themselves.
The only way Canada Post is going to progress is if we ALL work together for common shared goals (meanwhile CUPW is a divisive force to all of our detriment).
Snap outta the ‘cult mentality’ and become as informed as posible and think and decide for ourselves.
YES is the only option that makes any sense….hopefully we can build a more collaborative and progressive culture too rather than the dysfunctional one we have now.
I fully agree. The proposed contract is not perfect. But overall there are many positives. Most workers have common sense and know Canada Post has to change the way we deliver. It’s time to move forward. I’m voting ‘yes’.
Yes vote = no more overtime, SSD, dynamic routing, filling so called gap time, careful what you wish for
Vote yes
Notice that there’s only comments allowed on CUPW posts…none on CPAA or APOC.
That’s because Canada Post upper management wants us to fight with each other.
Conquer and divide.
CPAA and APOC sites don’t need a comment section.It’s only CUPW that insists on being professional protesters stuck in the past wearing headbands and fist pumping to some clown yelling into a megaphone.
You sound like the guy always posting about Cuba
CPC plays chess and CUPW plays checkers. CPC let us have a voice and actually comment on things. The Union is ruled by the 2% radicals that want to dictators. If you notice CPC lets us comment on these offers and see the divide (data) hence the yes vote coming. A friend and fan of mine figures a 59.7% Yes vote.
If CPC was so smart why are they so far in the hole financially .They let it tank did not even try to make it work .
Maybe because they give 8 hours of pay for 4-6 hours of work for thousands of routes for years on a system designed around lettermail which was ok 15+ years ago but falling mail volumes and increases around parcel volumes have made that system unsustainable as evident by 10 years of losses. (BTW their financial statements are professionally audited so don’t believe those that tell you CPCs losses aren’t real, it just took time because CPC was sustainable for years but aren’t any longer and now the financial reserves are gone)
Justice for janitors! Check-in tea time with gramps and granny! RPO drop-in centres for the homeless! Postal banking at mafia interest rates! Free Palestine and Gaza! (while betraying our Jewish co-workers)… and so on.
All of us who have let CULTW become the unhinged social justice warrior monster that it is instead of looking out for what matters to the workers the most – working conditions, wages and benefits – are guilty of allowing them to turn into a political cult instead of a labour union.
The focus should be on us – the workers, instead of their political and social causes they think they should negotiate for us because ‘social justice!’ But we’ve let them do this because a very small, agitated minority with personal grievances against the company and society in general has taken control and silenced the majority with bullying, intimidation and fear. If you want to influence social political policy and make political statements, go join the NDP. It’s clear that CULTW needs to be replaced by a modern labour union focused simply on worker’s rights, wages and benefits. Someone needs to stand up and say, for the sake of our fellow workers, no more.
At last, someone has said what we have all been thinking.
You’re exactly right about CUPW becoming CULTW. All of their ridiculous side social and political issues continually derail negotiations. Their demands are so unreasonable, agreements with Canada Post can never ne reached. If they simply would act in a professional manner and stick to things like wages and benefits, we would all be better off. That’s the good thing about this vote. We as workers habe a chance to bypass CUPW completely and speak for ourselves. It’s about time and I’m so ready to vote.
100% agreed. Great post!
Well said. There is gonna be a ground swell of YES votes.
Well said. 100% correct. A yes vote to the contract and a yes vote to decertify CUPW!!!!
You forgot about your usual rant about Cuba
Well spoken!
@ The Beard you summed them up perfectly!
How does Gaza ,Palestine and Israel have any relevance to our negotiations ?
They don’t. That’s the point.
Vote no. This is a terrible deal for workers.
Instant karma gonna get you.
Not sure in what sense or how you mean. Good song though Lol.
Better get yourself together… join the human race.
Explain to me like I’m a child slowly and three times over why are you letting the comments of anybody towards anyone get to you. How come you just don’t avoid it? You have control over your life,your vote,your everything. Not anyone else.
CUPW can’t even negotiate a vote. Bye bye CUPW
We wish.
Supervisors on up should support CUPW getting better raises. They will benefit because they will also get a similar raise, as they always make more than employees.
Voting no for a better contract.
Voting no.
scapegoating workers who earn less than your competition at this point, as they’ve gone without a new CBA since 2018, while upper management has torn through the corporations cash reserves on trucks that sit idle and rusting in empty parking lots, and plants that don’t even operate at half capacity.
you’ve invested in everything except that which matters most, and now you can add circumventing the bargaining process to the mix.
so many supervisors at their computers
Except for you and all those who agree with everything you say.
supervisors at their computer to ‘babysit’ fellow po4’s that cry like babies — my shoulder hurts, my back hurts, can’t work with that guy (your own colleague), cant work – my parner is in the washroom, and the list go on and on and on.
get real and face work-life like an adult – your children (if any) may be proud of you one day
I saw lot of LCs whine in my time when outside. What makes you think your any better .The whole company is full of whiners and coddlers on all sides.You forgot the snowflakes.
So you a LC or a P05 .
if canada post lock us out , we could be out for the whole summer . make sure vote wisely.
They won’t, would have done e so already
The only way a lock out will happen is if there are rotating strikes.
CUPW doesn’t care. They just don’t want the embarassment of a ‘yes’ result. It will be a total rejection of their nonsense, as it should be.
Can the corp clarify if flyers will be paid for load leveling? Is it full flyer coverage daily?
Good question. If they have full coverage daily for flyers, the routes would all be equal. No need for load leveling ever. Routes assessed at 100% volume coverage would be beneficially better as your routes would be cut in half since most routes are assessed at 47% coverage now. That would mean double the routes. So as an answer to your question, no way in hell will CPC do that. Lol
Where did you get 47 % for percentage of coverage? Have you not seen the overall reduction of volumes?
CUPW leave works alone
Voting yes.
CUPW is frightened to death over an electronic vote.
They can’t fudge the results this time!!
Ya really, take the ballet box back behind a curtain and make the magical count
Of course, that’s why CUPW sheep are so worried, it’ll be 100% of members voting not 20 and computers don’t lie.
That only happens when CUPW does elections. As union members they never tell everyone the results.
Our recent local elections, there was controversy over the magical appearance of 200 votes when the incumbent president appeared to be losing. Her people kept pressuring the balloting chairman to keep recounting to find more votes.
CUPW elections are a joke.
Pretty sure your talking about the van city local
Probably many, many locals the way CUPW operates.
Yeah sure, trust the CIRB instead. Who’s auditing their software that counts the votes?
Yes, I would much sooner trust CIRB than CUPW. That’s a given. The best thing about this vote is CUPW is not in charge.
As voter in any vote I would prefer a ballot that is counted by a human who is observed for transparency in a secure environment . Not a digital platform that can be deleted or adjusted by the push of a key on a keyboard or mouse.
Vote yes CUPW is stuck in 1970’s! Don’t let this union make you think that arbitration is better, ITS NOT Vote yes and let’s get our company back on track
Don’t forget put put the question of whether or not to fire the CPC president/ ceo and the rest of the executives bankrupting Canada Post to ground?
Arbitration will be better, why do you think CPC wants a vote
When I publicly shared that I would be voting Yes, I never expected the backlash that followed. The bullying. The harassment. The relentless efforts to silence or shame me into submission. It’s been disheartening to see just how many have abandoned respectful dialogue in favor of intimidation and hostility. People I once considered fair-minded have turned aggressive simply because I chose a different perspective.
But instead of pushing me away from my beliefs, this behavior has only deepened my resolve. Every attempt to belittle, dismiss, or demonize me has affirmed why a Yes vote is so important. If standing up for what I believe earns this kind of reaction, then it proves just how necessary it is to take that stand.
yeah, you’re a real hero
Look at you taking a stand!
Stand your ground and give it right back at them. Then theyll stop.
I agree. There’s a lot of bullies that would intimidate you. So in front of other members, a lot of members will say they’re voting, no, but truly in their hearts, they will be voting. Yes, no one’s gonna bully me into believing. What they believe my vote all along and always will be to agree to this. Agreement
It’s almost like CUPW is a commie fascist regime. Sorry how you were treated poorly Comrade hopefully they don’t send you to the gulag.
You posted something similar a while back. Pretty obvious some of these posts are the same person
The stage is set for the NO vote which results in a lockout and then mass layoffs. The story has been written and now must just play out.
If they lock us out, we’ll strike. When we strike, they can’t lay anyone off. They need to give 72 hours notice of a lock out just like we have to give 72 hours notice of a strike. We gave notice, they didn’t. Your job will be safe.
How about no strike at all? I’ve already lost more than $5000 because of CUPW. I’ll vote ‘yes’ to the new offer and continue working.
Finally a grownup
Actually they did give notice of a lock out the day CUPW gave strike notice. Read the report from Patty the Minister of Labour. It has point by point of what has happened.
Be informed: Because strike action is already underway (ot ban), neither party is required to give 72 hour notice to implement additional strike action (lock out or walk out strike).
If they lock you out its a lock out…If they strike, its a strike..And CUPW has no $$$ for strike pay so dont be so sure our jobs are SAFE besides YES will win! Now go back the Groupies and have a sip.Think you’re going to have to start bringing your own kool aid or maybe a slurpee! At my plant its Tims! Lol
No vote means arbitration. CUPW employees will do better in arb than this offer.
How is your job safe? Nobody is going to cover a billion dollars a year for you. This is how it ends, you just can’t see it I guess…
The arbitration will be based on the Kaplan report. There is no indication that this will favour the union. I would expect it to be a heavily trimmed version of the final offer, based on the actual situation today, which is way worse than it was 6 months earlier.
Vote yes to fire CPC executives and management.
Exactly! I’m voting no.
There needs to be a new union at Canada post. The old one or the present won is stuck in the seventies and so are some of its members who have never actually held a job a real job and got hired on at canada post.What a waste of skin
you are normal person whit clear mind
He last couple of times it went to arbitration we wound up with a worse contract than what was offered
Glad to see you remember. Not sure why others don’t.
Spreading lies, I see.
No chance they lock us out now. They would have done it weeks ago
That play sounds like it will be exciting! Lay everyone off, starting with the CEO on down! Can’t wait for it to unfold.
Government is out for summer.. let’s go and vote already. Forget about anything else This CUPW team. Negotiators are uneducated clowns YES Share the numbers of people that actually went to vote for that strike last year. Sad I’m sure at least this will be the truest vote ever. Yes yes yes. Let me work and pay my bills Please
I agree, but it seems cupw has found more stall tactics. Let’s get this done, so we can move on with our jobs and our lives!!! Yes, yes yes!!!
2 posts back to back saying yes yes yes. I wonder how many posts here are by the same people posting the same stuff
Agree!!
It was over 91 % in favour of a strike.
According to CUPW. Has there ever been a third party to verify the vote results? CUPW administers the vote, destroys the ballots and then announces the results. Seem transparent to me, LOL.
Of those who actually sat through the CUPW propoganda meeting and voted. Even then, how can you trust CUPW running a vote? Luckily, this time they have nothing to do with it, so the results will be correct.
Let’s make the no vote even higher!
I agree. There’s a lot of bullies that would intimidate you. So in front of other members, a lot of members will say they’re voting, no, but truly in their hearts, they will be voting. Yes, no one’s gonna bully me into believing. What they believe my vote all along and always will be to agree to this. Agreement
It was ninety five percent in favor of strike, but that was nine months ago, so if they took another strike vote, it would look completely different.You wouldn’t even be close to ninety I would say would be a lot more like forty percent in favor of strike
You must be close to retirement. That last strike might be the nail
In or coffin. All these strikes take a toll o the business that pays us. Every time we lose a little more of the pie.
90% of less than 1000 that actually voted. Were there not 50,000 eligible voters?
What percentage of membership actually turned out for strike vote .Lucky if it was less than 50 percent . However if 95 percent of the turnout vote yes there is your skewed demographic. Not a real representation but the rest of people who didn’t show up to vote just allowed a minority to represent you so don’t whine when we are at situation like this .
What was it less than 15% of members who voted?
Why doesn’t Cupw go to electronic voting?
91% of those who voted BUT what percentage of CUPW members voted in the first place? CUPW refuses to say for some reason….So, out of 55,000 members – if 1000 excersised their opportunity to vote then 910 of the 1000 voted yes ‘ we don’t know what the 91% is out of! It was NOT 91 % of CUPW members, as their reporting implies.
Out of 55,000 how many actually went to vote? 20,000 maybe? SO that 91% in CUPW’s eyes and who’s to say the numbers are right? No independent third party ALLOWED to watch the ballot counting…hmmm wonder why?
BUT less than 5000 out of 55000 voted
Can’t trust CIRB unless there’s auditors from both sides to examine their vote counting software. It can only perform what it’s programmed to do, and we don’t even know who programmed it.
Excited about the phone or email voting. Don’t have to been locked in a room and told how to vote. We are adults and finally getting treated like such.
By having your rights taken away from you?? Brilliant!
Getting to vote is quite literally the opposite of rights taken away
Not according to our Charter Of Rights and Freedoms, but, you know, who cares about ACTUAL rights? Our constitutional right to collective bargaining is being taken away.
You mean thr right to vote? We all have a vote, but you don’t have to vote if you’re too mad. You can always sit in the corner and sulk.
We do not all have the right to vote. Do we vote on every decision that happens in the House Of Commons?? We voted for people to represent us, just like we do with our government. The only right we actually have is to strike or to collective bargaining, both of which have been taken away from you by Canada Post and the government.
No one’s taking your rights away from you. They’re actually giving you the right to vote on something. The union is afraid will pass, and they will be kicked in the ass out the door
Very good if true. We don’t need to listen to CUPW propoganda before voting. We also know if CUPW isn’t in charge, then the vote will be fair.
Actually Beauty is correct but you fail to see the Rational point .You have a Liberal dictatorship Government taking many rights away from Canadians. In this case it is bargaining rights . So I take it you will like when Government controls every aspect of your life.
Efficiency should be your goal.
Rather then trying to market a new delivery system that you’ll change in less then one year
Won’t matter. CPC cannot abide by the government mandates to serve all Canadians, including rural areas, and not lose money. Big multi-billion dollar American corporations are taking only the highly profitable urban routes. At the same time, they dump the unprofitable rural routes on CPC. CPC is subsidizing these large American corporations, while they take our profitable routes.
What are you talking about?
Here’s an acronym for both the union and the employer to work on.
The acronym is E.F.F.I.C.E.N.C.Y.
I’m sure that if all can work on that new delivery system we’d be a well oiled machine. A. Path to the Y just doesn’t cut it anymore. This comment writes by itself don’t you think so Mcfly
Cupw recent antics have turned me against them. I believe that if we vote no tgen cpc will lock us out until binding arbitration takes place. No increase in pay will make up for the lost wages. I will vote yes to accept the offer
Not even counting the thousands each of us has already lost. More than $5000 for every full-time worker. All due to CUPWs stupidty.
Agree!!!
They will not lock us out.
Voting yes will lead to consequences
Voting yes will lock in losses of any pay increase we didn’t get not only for this contract, but for every contract going forward, compounding, in perpetuity. Don’t think so short term.
Did any of these yes commenters not read the last union email? The reduced wages paragraph after the bullet points? Even if you retire before 2028, it will affect you. Where do you think your pension comes from? It comes from the active workers. They didn’t actually save the money they took out of your paycheck for you.
Sorry, but you’re wrong. Pensions are locked in on the day you retire. If you have achieved a full, unreduced pension, that amount is guaranteed. It is then increased every January using the previous years CPI. The db pension is one of the best things about Canada Post. I’ll be retiring long before 2028 so I’m good. People who need to continue working here should want Canada Post to be financially healthy though. It only makes sense. CUPW whining doesn’t create revenue for Canada Post or it’s workers.
Bang on!! Very true about the pensions being locked in.
Unfortunately investment market fluctuations can weaken the pension plan. Having active members continuing to contribute to the fund can help carry it over until the market recovers.
Still wrong about the way thenpension is administered. It’s an independent board, including many financial professionals. The plan actually has done great with many superb holdings in the portfolio. Over the years It’s consistently outperformed the market. It’s certainly run better than Canada Post or CUPW. All of this info is available in the annual report sent to every member of the plan.
Sorry, but you’re going to be wrong soon. CPC doesn’t want your pension to be a defined “locked in” amount. A yes vote paves the path to CPC’s goal to destroy our pensions.
That’s CUPW nonsense. All part of their desperate scare-tactics, trying to get a ‘no’ vote.
Why wouldn’t CUPW’s be similar to everyone else’s? Grandfathered for a certain group to a certain date and then anyone hired after that is reverted to a define contribution. That in itself would save millions of dollars every year. The fact that CPC has not touched this and has stated that it won’t be touched is a victory. The rest of the world has had this change already as well as the bargaining units and management within CPC.
If you are an actual Canada Post employee, how can you not have any idea how your own pension works.
Why has Canada post doubled management in depots? 1 manager, 2 superintendents and 8 supervisors for around 100 staff.
DECERTIFY CUPW!!!
They will not lock us out.
Voting yes will lead to consequences
What does CUPW have to do with the doubling of management??? That’s all on CPC executives. Terminate them with cause for the 7 consecutive years of massive losses!
Because urban depots are now much bigger than they use to be. Combining 2,3,4 depots into one facility.
Will there still be flyer pay for load level routes?? Will it still be 3 days?
Or is it tripling STD, LTD and workers comp claims?
Your preference has never been to negotiate! Bend the truth as you always do…you counted on the government intervening again. Get ready for our unanimous vote of NO.
What usually happens when a business fail, the CEO gets fired. CP is supposed to be a public service, quit trying to cause your business to fail so it ends up privatized! It is obvious that is what you are trying to do. CUPW has great ideas for expanding and adding services, always has. Postal Banking, senior check-ins, creating community power! We have never been against weekend delivery, just not on your terms. We just want to pay our rent, put food on the table
Yeah ok… Which carrier has time to check on a senior? They’re too busy already.
You don’t speak for most CUPW members.
If CUPW want to run Canada Post, they should get an education and apply for positions of CEO and management.
The company would soon go out of business Lol.
If we have to rely on cupw’s “great” ideas ,Canada Post will be privatized.If you vote no you won’t have to worry about rent or food because you won’t have a table or any place to put it.
It’s nice to see another adult join the conversation.
Voting yes because you THINK Canada Post will be privatized, is foolish.
Angus Reid poll says most Canadians don’t want it to be privatized.
Oh you just want weekend overtime and to card the seniors instead of actual check ins. You know what else happens when a business fails? You don’t need you anymore.
It’s CUPW bending the truth in order to save their counter-productive divisive selves and the 67 million of tax exempt dues they collect. Their interests are unaligned with reality.
For a minute I thought you were being sarcastic. CUPWs ideas to generate revenue are unrealistic and ridiculous. What kind of person would trust a bank run by CUPW members? The only ways Canada Post can generate revenue are through delivering and processing mail, parcels, and flyers. The company needs to become more efficient and competitive through things like 7 day per week parcel delivery. Every carrier also needs to deliver to more average points of call. This only makes sense and every intelligent employee knows it. The problem with CUPW is instead of helping put through changes in the best way possible, they oppose change in every possible way. CUPW wants to go back in time, but the world keeps moving forward.
Please look up the meaning of unanimous
How does adding thousands of cleaners and snow removal contractors expand business? And why would a senior want to have a Postie checking in on them when there are other companies who offer the same service who have employees who are professionally trained to do the job? How do ‘social hubs’ expand business?
Of course you want weekend delivery on your terms, because it’s paid at double time, but it makes zero business sense for it to be done at $70 an hour.
Canada post are the biggest liars on the planet. You never had one iota of reaching any type of settlement unless it was a complete succumbing bow down to your demands. Nice try you back stabbing bonus stealing morally bankrupt dregs of society
Agreed!
So when do I get to vote?
Not soon enough, to vote no!
What is more important? Having a job or sitting at home collecting strike pay after working 4 hrs on a picket line. Ending with next to nothing at the end. Time we took control of our future, not let someone else decide for us.
Hence vote yes to end this nonsense caused by CUPW NEB and negotiators.
No, if you want to prolong this conflict where Canada Post ends up bankrupt like all other failed Canadian companies.
So why would you blindly follow cpc incompetence and mismanagement all at your(our) expense?
It was actually CUPWs strike that cost me $5000. If they had gone to arbitration back in October as Canada Post requested, I would have all that money back, not including Christmas overtime. Thanks CUPW!
Keep telling yourself that.
You don’t know that.in fact you might have lost even more money if you’d been laid off say since January which likely will happen after a short sighted yes to union busting vote
How would you have had Christmas overtime? Did you not notice no depots had any rental vehicles which are usually on site come Octoberish? There was never going to be any overtime or negotiated agreement or fairness or admitted culpability as far as cpc concerned.
Simply make an informed decision whether you are a “Yes” or “No” supporter. Read the offers and other information available.
Like letting YOU decide for us, you mean?
Exactly!
What’s more important? Not accepting a lousy offer.
91% of the 30% who actually voted. Remember that, not bothering because you are busy that day, that is why you are here now. The fanboys always vote, but the happy employees never bother. It’s a shame
Hear hear!
4 hours on the picket line is a long day for most LC’s lol. Maybe they get to picket for 2 hrs and get strike pay for 4 hrs.
More important is to secure a decent contract without roll backs that will haunt us not only for this contract, but will compound the losses forever more into future contracts.
I love how all the people in the yes column are calm and stating a point… All the people in the no column are venomous bitter angry and so amusing.
Ok soup
You may want to read all the “Anonymous” comments from the last threads calling us “boot lickers” and other names.
I love how condescending you people are towards anything that isn’t in lock step with your iron clad viewpoints
That’s how authoritarians behave. There are so many of them in management.
It’s the opposite in my station, all the yes to the contract people are yelling and angry at the no sayers who are more calm and willing to stand against the injustice
This!
Yup! 100% agree!
Strange. To me it was all the yes men that were venomous, bitter, angry but not at all amusing. Jokes about Jonestown and kool aid. Name calling… stupid, lazy, unemployable, to state a few. Good thing that they don’t have mirrors in here eh?
LOL! Yes, and don’t forget their fear mongering and gaslighting!
Yes=Bad news.
The NO voters are the kool aid kids and yes voters seem to be adults.
CUPW get out
I love how absolutely useless unhelpful and inflammatory your asinine comment is
That’s because they are a Union Executives. They are scared that the members don’t like them anymore. Lol
Get out CUPW
CUPW and their groupies always resort to bullying and intimidation, because there’s no logic to their arguments. Luckily we all have the right to vote this time. The vote is private and CUPW can’t do anything to stop it.
Nice attempt at gaslighting. You’re so obviously a soup.
If anything, to this day I will never understand why the Cupw website doesn’t have a forum for the members to speak out on. Are they afraid of the truth the membership will say? Are they afraid of the truth the membership would say?
Not one of your changes – PT, SSD, and now Dynamic Routing has or will work. It’s only because we as letter carriers have made them work, by facing threats of interviews, over assessed walks, mandatory overtime, etc, until finally, the supervisors stop bothering to enforce what doesn’t clearly work.
We Need A Change In Upper Management!
Someone who is willing to listen to real ideas, and interested in making money!
We are called lazy, but I say the behaviour is learned from the top down!
This LC is ready to watch it burn to the ground!
With ya 100%!
Yes sir/maam. Let it burn to the ground my fellow LC brother or sister. Sick of all the bullying and harassment. Zipped vests, parking brakes applied admail chits initialed. All have zero to do with anything about $3 billion flushed down the toilet utter incompetence and greed at the top
Okay, so you want to destroy the company we all work for? Doesn’t sound too smart, unless you really think you can get a better job somewhere else. In that case, why don’t you just quit. Many of Canada Post’s ideas could work if they are implemented properly. If CUPW was smart and professional, they would accept change is needed and help to bring it in as smoothly as possible. Then they could ask for something useful, like better wages and benefits. But I guess the majority of us will decide for CUPW and for you.
I’m all for change. I agree it’s needed. But that doesn’t seem to be the path here. Just concessions for us workers, with the appearance of change. Please lay out your plan to get back and grow the business! Other than “we need part-time weekend work” what is the plan?
Change from the top is needed first.
Couldn’t agree more. CUPW is increasingly beboming a counterproductive force to the detriment of us all when they’re supposed to support progression instead. Many members appear to have blind faith in whatever they say (ignoring and twisting reality) – as if it’s a cult!
Burn it all down, along with all of management!
Well maybe tell that to the Conservatives and the Bloc so they can start creating some Bills to pass to fix this mess. The Liberals appointed the CEO and the Liberals forced us off the picket line and the Liberals forced a vote on our contract .The Liberals can still tell the Corporation what to do but don’t expect any real solutions at this point.
Wow, someone who knows what they are actually talking about.
Yes vote on the contract and then decertify CULTW.
Vote no. Then fire most of management!
ARBITRATION is the only way forward now.
It’s YES lockout and imposed contract.
Vote no to send it to arbitration, and tell management to do better!
Its going to be arbitration wait and see. This is all a formality.
Not going to be better if it goes to arbitration. Get ready to take an L on this one. The union can blame the arbitrator when you get the short end of the stick. They need a scapegoat for their failure
Cupw doesn’t care about members. They care about coming out of this on top ( which is not going to happen), and raising and collecting more dues to further line their pockets and fund Cuban vacations. Have lost what little faith I had in Cupw and just wish they were gone. Another union could negotiate the next contract much better and alot faster working for the members, not for the dues. Yes all the way!!!!
Or, CUPW may get another win like 2018. We got more than management’s final offer with no roll backs. The arbitrator will be presented with the case that employees were locked in a contract and didn’t get fair raises to offset all the inflation from the last few years.
This is 2025 son, bringing up 2018 no longer has relevance. We made money back in those days, back when they planned all the expansion you complain about. We are broke now after the 2018 fiasco and now this for 18 months. Customers have gone, just like your bargaining position.
Do you think 2018 was a win? Ended up with a lot less than the final offer presented. The absolute same will happen this time around should it go there.
CP has employed me for over 20 years and they have been good. I can tell you change is needed as it’s not even comparable to the volumes years ago.
Where else can you get a very decent wage, benefits, pension plan without higher education?? Take this offer, as the alternative will be binding arbitration and I’ve been through that and EVERY time the offer has been better. The difference is we actually get to vote on it, not Cupw making the mistake of letting offers go by and resort to binding arbitration. This is a first for me in my 20 plus years to see this happen and I will be voting a huge yes!
The alternative has always, I repeat…always been worse.
Bang on. Yes!
Interesting. Been an employee for 30 years and I wouldn’t sugar coat the experience in the same way. Where else can you get the perks you just described without education? Increasingly plenty of places. I noticed my paycheck and benefits used to be way ahead of some of my no skill peers. Now, many of them enjoy better benefits in many aspects and this erosion will continue. I used to celebrate this as being a very good job and I used to advertise it as such. It’s no longer anywhere close to being that advantageous.
But 30 yrs in with a defined pension… that’s worth it if your not happy with your job now
The arbitrators decision saw us get the best gains since i have been here. 25 years. The volumes started their big decline that year. This prolonged, unnecessary strike reminds me of that era. We never should have given them the 2 year extension. We went from heroes to lazy postmen. Now we have to fight just to keep our benefits and keep up with inflation.
In 2016, Canada Post employees saw some gains through a tentative agreement and an arbitrator’s decision. The tentative agreement with the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) included a wage increase and changes to job categories to allow for weekend delivery. Additionally, an arbitrator awarded rural carriers a significant pay raise as part of a pay equity decision, retroactive to the beginning of 2016
Yea and we had to walk to work bare foot, uphill, in the snow. Get real. Quit telling us we are dumb and don’t deserve a decent life. Most of management are grade 12 graduates too. Binding arbitration is definitely going to be better than this weak offer. To bad CPC wouldn’t negotiate in good faith. If workers were not so lazy we would have made a profit? Shmuck
Take the offer and you won’t have a decent wage or benefits much longer.
Exactly!
Not true! In 2018 CUPW got a better contract after arbitration.
Looking forward to marking down my big fat NO in this useless exercise. An exercise equally as useless as this entire comment section that has been provided during the course of these negotiations. Looking forward to the slap down.
Only thing useless is the 18 months cupw wasted.all neb members need to step down, as soon as they are done wining and dining by the pool.I guess my yes vote will cancel out your vote
More no votes will cancel your yes vote
Soups cannot vote by the way
Right on! No vote coming from me!
In the world of CUPW it’s 1970, change will come, they’ll cry but it’s only because its strongest supporters are allergic to work.
That’s a great way to put it. Good workers avoid CUPW as much as possible. CUPW NEB can’t stand it because we all have a voice and a vote this time. I’m so looking forward to voting ‘yes’.
Don’t tell them it’s not 1970, who else will buy my dads jean jacket with cut off sleeves and protest patches
Ok when is the vote let’s get on with it or is it going to be another 18 months away
After we vote yes on contract! We need to hold another vote to get rid of CUPW. We need a new union Teamsters
Thanks, Ryan
A yes vote will saddle us with a crappy contract. That won’t help you if you want to decertify CUPW. Vote no and you still have the option to decertify, but with a better contract.
Workers should adjust, not employers.
Vote yes. At some point there will be a changes. Cupw stuck in 80s
Management should lead, like the leaders they’re supposed to be, and show us they’re willing to change. But they won’t. They’re stuck in the 1930s.
CUPW ready to negotiate another 4 years no problem then they will have strike again.
This how unions steal works money
this is not good turn it donw
I’m voting no.
YOU put us in this position; YOU had the chance to correct it for years; YOU had enough money to build new facilities, get trucks and give millions in bonuses. YOU got us here and refuse to negotiate!
It’s a NO!
NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONOOOOOOO!!
I’m pretty sure it was CUPW who refused to compromise. In fact, Canada Post offered arbitration in October and CUPW refused. It’s totally the union’s fault. So reagardless of your ALLCAPS, I’m still voting ‘yes’.
Curious what your answer would be here; if Canada Post offered arbitration in October, why do you think they’re turning it down now??
Canada Post doesn’t need arbitration now. It knows the majority of workers are smart and will vote ‘yes’. CUPW desperately wants arbitration. That way no matter what happens, they can blame the arbitrator. If members accept this offer though, it’s a direct rejection of CUPW.
New Government who thinks differently and the findings of the Kaplan inquiry which for the most part supports CPC and the direction in which it needs to go.
Kaplan is useless .Tell me why should a individual third party who never worked for Canada Post ir the Government and who is no expert be allowed to dictate any major changes to a Crown Corporation .
Me too.
I am tired of being screwed over by CUPW.
I wanted to take the city wide overtime, but was reprimanded by CUPW militants.
My coworker is mad. after a day off, staffing didn’t bother to cover his route. Hence, he has to work two days work into one day. All because of CUPW OT ban.
That sounds more like a management deficiency. We have terms and part time still. The next day if he had no help still he should have delivered for 8 hours and
stopped. This has happened to us all probably over the years. Only the people that speak up don’t have to suffer. The sheep do 2 days work without question and 20 years later
can hardly walk. Not the OT ban causing him a problem. He needs to ask the union for support if the supervisor is abusing him. Your anger is misdirected at cupw in this case. CPC is just being itself
True fact…good comment!
CUPW lowered their wage increase from 22% to 19%. Management offered 13% from 12%. CUPW showed more willingness to compromise than management.
you came down from a ridiculous number to one almost as ridiculous. That isnt exactly compromise. You should be getting 2% a year at best, not 4-5%. What world do you live in?
So to be clear, are you voting yes with us or not
On the fence….
No
No. I’m voting no.